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    Biden Leads Trump in TX By 2%

    We have another poll this morning just posted by Public Policy Polling that was done for by EMILY’s List in the state of Texas that has Joe Biden now ahead of Donald Trump in the state of Texas.

    PRESIDENT – TEXAS (PPP)
    Joe Biden (D) 48%
    Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%

    US SENATE – TEXAS (PPP)
    John Cornyn (R-inc) 42%
    MJ Hegar (D) 35%

    This poll was done June 24-25 among 729 registered voters. Hegar still has to win the primary runoff for the Democrats but he is leading all the public polling I have seen.

    Posted by Dave at 8:56 am
    Filed under: General | Comments (403)

    403 Responses to “Biden Leads Trump in TX By 2%”

    1. Bitterlaw says:

      Happy Real Independence Day! The Declaration was a press release 2 days later.

    2. Gordon Allen says:

      Does PPP ever show Trump in the lead? For Emily’s list??!! Why does Dave W put such polls out as EVERYONE here knows, even the never trumpets, they’re a joke. What’s the point. Please enlighten me.

    3. Tina says:

      Jebot central
      Replying to
      @SteveGuest
      and
      @sethjlevy
      Breaking CNN: why 4.8 million jobs added is bad news for the president

    4. Phil says:

      It’s early but if we lose Montana the filibuster is gone. Hello, Washington DC statehood (pack the Senate with 2 more Democratic senators) Green new deal, single payer health care, various gun grabbing bills, open borders, voting rights for illegals, mail in voting on a national scale……..you may as well just put RIP on the gravestone of the Republican Party because they will be hard pressed to ever win another national election.

      In short, They will turn the US into California.

      Let’s see if the people of Montana are as stupid as the people of West Virginia..

    5. Tina says:

      Trump press conference on economy

      He must have taken Phil and robbies advice.

    6. jason says:

      It has come to this…

      “A lawsuit has been filed against Adam Savage, the co-host of “Mythbusters,” alleging that he sexually abused his sister when they were both young children.

      The suit was brought in New York by Miranda Pacchiana, who claims that Savage sexually assaulted her “repeatedly over the course of several years,” beginning when she was seven-years-old and he was nine.”

    7. Tina says:

      No questions taken by president . He exited. Handed it off to treasury sec and kudlow.

      Presstitute blurted about the muh Russian hoax.

    8. Phil says:

      Nice jobs report. Lets see if the blue state governors can drag their feet enough opening up to slow it down before November.

      Looks like Newsome is doing his part.

    9. VictrC says:

      Which Russia hoax this time Tina?

    10. Tina says:

      John Xi Karl had to ask a stupid question on weekly claims I moving up.

      They are not moving up. They are being revised.

      The treasury sec beotch slapped him.

      Told him not to focus on weekly claims. There are a lot of duplicate claims and back logged claims with states. Hard to get any information from this series at this time due to those factors.

    11. Tina says:

      Victory, the Russian bounty.

      It has to be true though. /s.

    12. Tina says:

      Note has been critical of the president. But he said trump did well in his presser and let his underlings take the bait with the cartoon presstitutes.

      Nolte applauded the president acting presidential.

    13. Tina says:

      The presstitutes were full of stupidity.

      They sounded like Rottie and his muh cases every post.

    14. VictrC says:

      I saw a good commercial with Trump, long one, (maybe it was posted here..,) anyway, it was very presidential and good.

      I really do think he needs to moderate just a bit. Don’t acquiesce because the reason he was elected is Republicans and Conservatives are sick and tired of being shamed/guilted/bullied by the Obama misfit coalition, and never being able to give it right back to them.

      That’s why they hate Trump. Because he doesn’t back down. But maybe a little fence building with the 15% of people who are actually in the center would push him over the finish line.

    15. Stonewall DW says:

      6 – wait…I thought Bernie Sanders said this was healthy for children?

    16. the Godfather says:

      Political Polls
      @Politics_Polls
      TEXAS
      Trump 48% (+4)
      Biden 44%

      UT/
      @TexasTribune
      6/19-29

    17. Stonewall DW says:

      Slight improvement in Rasmussen J/A today, now 46/52

    18. Stonewall DW says:

      16…are they suggesting PPP had their thumb on the scale?

      Shocking.

    19. Phil says:

      Being presidential goes a long way towards appealing to swing voters turned off by his abrasiveness. Don’t moderate policies. Just moderate the tone. That will go a long way towards appealing to the independents he needs to win.

    20. Tina says:

      The fib arrested Maxwell today.

      Notice how this was done by forcing out the SDNY Head attorney!

    21. Tina says:

      Neil Cavuto

      “spike in cases is not causing a spike in deaths, sadly enough!

      https://youtu.be/_AQob0jWg7w

    22. Tina says:

      Notice how the masks are off of the jebots.

      They want deaths.

      That is disgusting what he said and he needs to apologize ASAP.

    23. Stonewall DW says:

      Chicago Tribune must read HHR. We were just talking the other day about how nobody knows of any Trump supporters who have turned on him and will switch to vote for the D candidate this year. So they release a story featuring all these embarrassed and repentant 2016 Trump voters who are all on board for Biden, with the suggestion that if you don’t join them, you are a backward, knuckle dragging ape-man living in a cave.

    24. PurpleDeac says:

      If one is to believe PPP, it is R+13 and the 2016 “who did you support?” was 50-41 Trump over Clinton. Again, this is PPP we are talking about but interesting results.

    25. Tina says:

      Phil, on the Texas poll:

      Peoples_Pundit
      @Peoples_Pundit
      ·
      6m
      If Donald Trump carries independents in Texas by 14 points, it’ll be a pretty big win beyond 4 points. About the same margin in 2016.

      Republicans start at nearly 4 in 10 of the electorate. About 38%. He only got 88% of the GOP vote in 2016.

    26. Stonewall DW says:

      22 – I lost a very dear friend to the mental disease known as Never-Trumper Syndrome.
      It has completely warped his ability to think clearly. The obsession to get rid of Trump is so strong that if learned that he could make Trump evaporate and disappear by cutting off his own right arm, he would rush to the kitchen, pushing people out of the way to grab the meat cleaver to start hacking.

      Its sad to watch. Here is a man who says he is pro-life, pro-second amendment, pro-constitution, pro-family, pro-faith, and yet there he was openly cheering for Pelosi during impeachment, and he willingly believes anything and everything CNN says about the Russian hoax. He refuses to acknowledge the benefit of having all the judges put in under Trump.

      It is impossible to help someone with this condition, as there is, unfortunately, no cure.

      The only possible means that might snap him out of his delusion would be if in 3 years from now he finds himself incarcerated in a re-education camp run by our Antifa president. Even then, I think he would blame Trump for his condition.

      Of course I was Never-Trump during the 2016 GOP primary, and I was among those who believed he was a sure loss to Hillary. Thankfully I was wrong. But I was able to accept that I was wrong, and move on. Never-Trumper Syndrome flash-freezes the brain tissue to be locked onto the 2016 primary process, not allowing any thoughts to pass through the brain until Trump is not in office, regardless the cost to the country.

    27. Phil says:

      Tina, Trump will win Texas by the same margin he won it by in 2016 – 8 or 9 points.

      Biden runs up his margins in the usual places Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, El Paso, and the border counties. It’s not nearly enough. He gets slaughtered in the other 240 something counties. Until that changes his absolute ceiling is 44%.

      Beto spent 80 million dollars, had a swooning press, up against an unlikeable incumbent, in a very Democratic year and he couldn’t win. Had everything in the world going for him. Beto had the perfect Democratic dream scenario.

      It doesn’t matter how many polls Jensen and his PPP polls churn out from Texas. Thankfully, Texas is what it is.

    28. Stonewall DW says:

      I also had an acquantance who was also Never-Trumper during the primary, and he came very close to succumbing to the Never Trumper Syndrome. But his brain was still function just enough that with time, the man’s humility and introspection allowed him to see the good in the judicial picks. He has also come to understand the unfairness in which the media has attacked Trump. He still does not like Trump and may or may not vote for him, but at least he doesn’t want to destroy the country to get rid of Trump.

    29. Gordon Allen says:

      Phil,any criticisms of Democrat’s or the media by Trump, however ” moderate in tone” start with the heading by the media” Trump ranted today…”. When his opponents accuse him of treason,murderer,a Hitler etc saying “Oh,Gee”like a Bush or Romney doesn’t cut it. You can only fight fire with fire,not marshmallows. Being authentic counts too,and being a politically correct” namby pamby would appear phony- and would be.
      I must say those here who oppose Trump for harshness and would support effectively a Marxist revolution instead are not truthful because no one is that stupid; they’re really liberal leftists themselves.
      As Reagan said in 1964 in his famous speech for Goldwater” There does indeed come a time for choosing”or. We’re there in 2020

    30. Phil says:

      A very good friend of mine called me last month. He and I team taught together for almost ten years. He actually lived with me for 6 months when he was going through a divorce and we were both single.

      Anyway, he called very upset. He had just received an email from his 30 year old son who lives in Austin with his snowflake wife. He read the email to me. Basically, it was a holier than thou condemnation of him for being conservative and not showing enough sympathy for black lives matter. Said he thought his dad was not going to get into heaven because of his support for Trump (his son is an atheist BTW). It was the most pathetic and condescending thing I had ever heard. His son ended it by saying he could no longer have anything to do with him because of my friend’s political views. In short, his dad was no longer good enough to associate with.

      Very sad. Made me angry just listening to it. It was pathetic.

    31. Phil says:

      I don’t want Trump to back down to the mob. Stay firm but moderate his tone somewhat. I want him reelected.

    32. Stonewall DW says:

      Leave it to an atheist to be an expert on who gets into heaven. In reality there are few true atheists out there. But there are a lot of people who craft a mental god in their own image–one that matches the person’s own worldview.

    33. Waingro says:

      Political Polls
      @Politics_Polls
      Maine Senate GE:
      Susan Collins (R-inc) 45% (+8)
      Sara Gideon (D) 37%

      Moore Information/
      @NRSC
      Internal Poll 6/20-24
      9:00 AM · Jul 2, 2020·Twitter Web App

    34. Country Dick Montana says:

      33 – That would be key right there if true. Collins may not be everyone’s idea of a Republican, but she saved Kavanaugh and voted against impeachment. She is the right Republican for Maine.

    35. Victrc says:

      Country

      Exactly. She’s the most Republican Senator well ever get from Maine and that’s what we have to remember.

      It’s not Mississippi or Texas. We need more of her in the northeast. Heck. She might be to the right of John Roberts, who has proven to not be great…but he’s still better than the alternative.

    36. jason says:

      Sen. Mike Lee

      “the mob hates America on America’s dime”

    37. New York CIty says:

      She’s the most Republican Senator well ever get from Maine”

      Not good enough.

      Trade her in for an ultra-liberal.

      SEND A MESSAGE!

    38. Robbie says:

      CNBC Now
      @CNBCnow
      BREAKING: Moderna plunges 9% after report says late-stage coronavirus vaccine trial delayed

      – The story doesn’t read nearly as badly as the headline indicates, but I think this story fits well with a subtle shift in messaging on the topic I’ve noticed recently.

      In May, the view seemed to be we would know something post Labor Day and we could see emergency approval by October. Now, the head of the FDA said today a vaccine might be ready at the start of 2021. Old man Fauci said just two weeks ago a vaccine might be ready in Q4, but now he says Q1 of 2021.

    39. dblaikie says:

      Once again going negative. Just yesterday we very positive news about a vaccine. By the way good week for Trump. Even the media polls are beginning to turn.

    40. Robbie says:

      Just to add to 39, it’s unclear when these officials speak about a vaccine whether they’re discussing when a vaccine might be approved or when a vaccine will be ready to distribute to the public.

      I was hoping we might see a large number of people immunized starting in December and into January. That would probably get life back to normal by March/April. Now, I guess that’s a bit less likely.

    41. NYCmike says:

      And Robbie shows up with his “We need a vaccine or else!!” post of the day…….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    42. NYCmike says:

      ” That would probably get life back to normal by March/April.”

      -Trucks have rolled EVERY DAY, including weekends, since this pandemic began.

      We never left normal. And our workers, along with some help and assistance from us, made the necessary changes to help each other stay safe and healthy.

      They laugh at people like Robbie who constantly drone on about a need for a vaccine to get things back to normal.

    43. Robbie says:

      NYCmike says:
      July 2, 2020 at 1:29 pm
      They laugh at people like Robbie who constantly drone on about a need for a vaccine to get things back to normal.

      – If you’re a restaurant owner, is your life back to normal at just 50% occupancy?

      If you’re a bar owner and you’ve just been shut down again in multiple states, is your life back to normal?

      If you’re a student who lost the last three months of the school year and may only be able to do online classes this Fall, is you’re life back to normal?

      If you work on Broadway in NYC and your shows have been cancelled until at least January 2021, is your life back to normal?

      If you’re an airline that’s seen capacity reduced by more than 80%, is your life back to normal?

      If you’re a cruise line and you’ve been prohibited from sailing since March, is your life back to normal?

      If you’re an employee at a stadium that can’t hold games or concerts, is your life back to normal?

      If you’re a surgeon who specializes in surgeries that are deemed elective and have just been prohibited from performing them again in Texas, is your life back to normal?

      Like it or not, life as we knew it on March 1, 2020 is not going to return until there is a vaccine. If you think large portions of the travel, hospitality, and other industries can operate at severely reduced capacity for an extended period of time, then you are out to lunch.

    44. Scooterboy says:

      You would think that Robbie(the undecided voter….cough….cough), would be celebrating the good economic news. Instead he’s here to post his negative vaccine drivel.
      Anyone else notice the trend in ALL of Robbie’s posts?

    45. jason says:

      If Robbie would be able to think for himself instead of being addicted to CNN and MSNBC, he would admit there is a huge difference between 50k cases on top of 800k total cases a day and 2800 deaths WITH EVERYTHING SHUT DOWN and 50k cases a day on top of 2.5 million total cases and 600 deaths and EVERYTHING OPEN.

    46. jason says:

      You would think that Robbie(the undecided voter….cough….cough), would be celebrating the good economic news.”

      Nah, he is waiting for his arbitrary and asinine 15k a day, THAT is meaningful!

    47. Robbie says:

      Scooterboy says:
      July 2, 2020 at 1:43 pm
      You would think that Robbie(the undecided voter….cough….cough), would be celebrating the good economic news. Instead he’s here to post his negative vaccine drivel.
      Anyone else notice the trend in ALL of Robbie’s posts?

      – Vaccine drivel? Are you in agreement with NYCmike that we don’t need a vaccine? Do you think the status quo in which we are living can continue for a couple of years?

      The fastest way to get life back to where it was on March 1, 2020 is a vaccine. I think we’re on pace to get one by January 1, 2021, but I was hopeful it might be sooner. I certainly hope you’re not an anti-vaxer?

    48. Phil says:

      Yeah, the trend is obvious. I actually was back to taking his posts seriously because he appeared to be on the same page as me as far as opening up the economy…but now he’s back to the same old concerned troll drivel and has been for the last two to three weeks.

    49. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 2, 2020 at 1:47 pm
      If Robbie would be able to think for himself instead of being addicted to CNN and MSNBC, he would admit there is a huge difference between 50k cases on top of 800k total cases a day and 2800 deaths WITH EVERYTHING SHUT DOWN and 50k cases a day on top of 2.5 million total cases and 600 deaths and EVERYTHING OPEN.

      – Last week your argument was the rising number of cases was just about more testing. I guess you now realize that was absolutely wrong? Probably not.

    50. NYCmike says:

      A vaccine take a a long time to develop, AND to make sure IT IS SAFE!

      I am not holding my breath for that to happen.

      For those that are holding their breath, I humbly suggest there is a likelier chance of dying from decreased oxygen intake than from the Wuhan virus.

    51. Scooterboy says:

      I’m not anti-vaccine at all. I’m anti-Robbie negativity drivel. Can we get a vaccine for that?

    52. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 2, 2020 at 1:52 pm
      Yeah, the trend is obvious. I actually was back to taking his posts seriously because he appeared to be on the same page as me as far as opening up the economy…but now he’s back to the same old concerned troll drivel and has been for the last two to three weeks.

      – How is it drivel to note there’s been a subtle shift away from having a vaccine ready in Q4 to Q1 of 2021?

      Wouldn’t you agree the fastest way to get things back to normal is a vaccine? Or are you in agreement with NYCmike that we don’t need one and things are pretty much ok as they are now?

    53. jason says:

      The point is that whatever the MSM “goal posts” are, Robbie will be here to plant them and then move them at the appropriate time.

      We don’t need a vaccine or 15k a day. All we need to do is protect the vulnerable, treat the very small percentage that will need hospital treatment, and practice common sense measures like self isolating when you are sick and wearing masks in places where you are in contact with other people.

      THAT should be the message. The rest is political garbage.

      Senator Menendez opposed a non binding resolution condemning mob violence because it “did not include a line saying the President should not incite mob violence”.

      These are the despicable people Robbie wants to see elected.

    54. Robbie says:

      Scooterboy says:
      July 2, 2020 at 1:54 pm
      I’m not anti-vaccine at all. I’m anti-Robbie negativity drivel. Can we get a vaccine for that?

      – I’m glad you’re not an anti-vaxer.

      Also, I’m interested in a vaccine that prevents people from engaging in poll unskewing when the results aren’t what someone want to see.

    55. Phil says:

      Odds of getting a vaccine inside of a year were always a real long shot at best.

    56. jason says:

      I’m not anti-vaccine at all. I’m anti-Robbie negativity drivel. Can we get a vaccine for that?”

      Tough. They said the air in Bogo Pogo was good for curing addictions to fake news.

      It was false advertising.

    57. jason says:

      I don’t watch fake news but from Robbie’s post I gather the new meme must be “either we have a vaccine or we are doomed”.

    58. Scooterboy says:

      We already have a built in vaccine for not believing polls that are supposedly D + 16. It’s called common sense. Some of us have it, others don’t.

    59. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 2, 2020 at 1:55 pm
      The point is that whatever the MSM “goal posts” are, Robbie will be here to plant them and then move them at the appropriate time.

      We don’t need a vaccine or 15k a day. All we need to do is protect the vulnerable, treat the very small percentage that will need hospital treatment, and practice common sense measures like self isolating when you are sick and wearing masks in places where you are in contact with other people.

      – Then under your view, we can have 100,000 or 200,000 cases a day and it’s no big deal. It won’t hurt the economy. It won’t cause people to retrench on spending. It won’t cause people to shy away from restaurants or travel. Everything will be fine.

      Trust me, if cases had fallen from 20,000 or so a day to 17,462 cases a day or 15,203 cases a day or 16,457 cases a day, everyone would be cheering it on as great news. But since cases have gone to more than 50,000, it’s no biggie.

      Your plan to protect the vulnerable, practice self isolating, and wearing masks is fine while we wait for a treatment/vaccine, but we can’t do this forever. Can restaurant, bars, and the rest I noted survive indefinitely on 50% capacity or semi regular shutdowns for the next few years? Of course, not.

    60. jason says:

      Even the media polls are beginning to turn.”

      Yeah, I predicted that at the start of the week that I thought Trump had bottomed out.

    61. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 2, 2020 at 1:56 pm
      Odds of getting a vaccine inside of a year were always a real long shot at best.

      – Hang on a second. I’m not saying we won’t get a vaccine within a year. If we get one by January 1, 2021, that will be great news and great moment for science. I was just pointing out that there’s been a subtle shift in the timeframe. Honestly, a couple of months isn’t the end of the world, but I had sort of come to expect we might see something November-ish.

    62. Phil says:

      100K cases a day? 200,000 a day?

      Where on the planet earth has that ever been forecasted?

      Is that what CNN and the Washington Post is throwing out there now?

      Good God.

    63. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 2, 2020 at 2:02 pm
      I don’t watch fake news but from Robbie’s post I gather the new meme must be “either we have a vaccine or we are doomed”.

      – Not at all and I never said we weren’t getting a vaccine so don’t try to put words in my mouth.

      I was simply pointing out there’s been a subtle shift in messaging about when to expect a vaccine. It seems to have gone from Q4 to Q1 of 2021.

      However, if you think large parts of the economy can operate at reduced capacity or irregular shutdowns for an extended period without serious consequences, then you’re wrong.

    64. Country Dick Montana says:

      “200,000 cases a day.”

      Fauci isn’t even up to that yet.

      I know that you aren’t working and it it is easy for me to work and post from the front seat of a F-250 looking over the mountains. Take some advice, get a hobby. Volunteer to help others. Anything but continue to sit in front of a computer. You do no one any good here posting the obvious or the speculative and it probably brings you down even more than usual.

    65. jason says:

      rust me, if cases had fallen from 20,000 ”

      LOL, they did fall to 20k a day and what did we hear from the MSM?

      Crickets. Did not fit the agenda.

      Meaningless drivel, arbitrary numbers mean nothing to them.

    66. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 2, 2020 at 2:06 pm
      100K cases a day? 200,000 a day?
      Where on the planet earth has that ever been forecasted?

      – Nowhere has it been forecasted, but, if Jason believes the number of new cases each day doesn’t matter, then the number could be that high, right?

      I suspect you agree there is some number of cases each day that will cause people to stop doing things, correct?

    67. Robbie says:

      Scooterboy says:
      July 2, 2020 at 2:02 pm
      We already have a built in vaccine for not believing polls that are supposedly D + 16. It’s called common sense. Some of us have it, others don’t.

      – Once again, pollsters allow partisan ID to float because how a person associates with a party often depends on for whom the respondent is voting. Don’t confuse partisan ID in a poll with voter registration numbers. They aren’t the same.

    68. jason says:

      Also, I’m interested in a vaccine that prevents people from engaging in poll unskewing when the results aren’t what someone want to see.”

      Wow, that does get the Chutzpah Award for July, even though it is only the 2nd. ‘

      From somebody who has made a career here of cherry picking polls to fit his narrative, that does take some chutzpah.

    69. Country Dick Montana says:

      Top headline from WSJ:

      “Jobs Growth Picks Up, but Virus Could Slow Recovery”

      We have outed Robbie. he is not an airline pilot, he is the editor of the WSJ Newsroom.

    70. jason says:

      but, if Jason believes the number of new cases each day doesn’t matter,”

      So that is the dishonest version of what I wrote:

      “If Robbie would be able to think for himself instead of being addicted to CNN and MSNBC, he would admit there is a huge difference between 50k cases on top of 800k total cases a day and 2800 deaths WITH EVERYTHING SHUT DOWN and 50k cases a day on top of 2.5 million total cases and 600 deaths and EVERYTHING OPEN.”

      He could have argued what I wrote if he thinks it is wrong.

      Instead he just decided to make something up.

    71. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      July 2, 2020 at 2:08 pm
      “200,000 cases a day.”

      Fauci isn’t even up to that yet.

      – Correct, but Jason is arguing the number of new cases doesn’t matter to the public and they’ll go about their merry way regardless. Ok, if that’s correct, then we could have 200,000 cases a day and no one will change their behavior, right? We could have 1,000,000 cases a day and no one would change their behavior, correct?

      Obviously, I was throwing out hypotheticals.

    72. jason says:

      Last week your argument was the rising number of cases was just about more testing. I guess you now realize that was absolutely wrong? Probably not.”

      So you DON’T believe that the reason FL and TX are reporting so many asymptomatic cases is NOT due to increased testing?

      Really?

    73. Phil says:

      Party ID has NEVER “floated” to D+16 in the history of polling. I don’t even think we could get there if Democrats got their voting rights for illegals passed through in the next congress. They might double or even triple the D+3 from the last election to as high as 9….maybe.

      I don’t reweight polls but D plus double digit polls I can safely dismiss out of hand.

    74. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 2, 2020 at 2:09 pm
      rust me, if cases had fallen from 20,000 ”

      LOL, they did fall to 20k a day and what did we hear from the MSM?

      Crickets. Did not fit the agenda.

      Meaningless drivel, arbitrary numbers mean nothing to them.

      – Then, again, cases can go to hypothetically 500,000 cases a day and it’s no biggie. Or is there some point at which you would acknowledge they matter?

      You can call it arbitrary, but, if cases had fallen from 30,000 a day in late April to, let’s say, 12,583 today, we would all be celebrating that regardless of what the media says or doesn’t say.

    75. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 2, 2020 at 2:13 pm
      Also, I’m interested in a vaccine that prevents people from engaging in poll unskewing when the results aren’t what someone want to see.”

      Wow, that does get the Chutzpah Award for July, even though it is only the 2nd. ‘

      From somebody who has made a career here of cherry picking polls to fit his narrative, that does take some chutzpah.

      – Baloney. I use the RCP average or is that considered cherry picking in your book?

    76. Phil says:

      Half a million a day. Hmmm That would provide herd immunity in about two weeks.

      Not a bad plan.

    77. Country Dick Montana says:

      Is it 15,000 or 12,583 cases. I am confused now.

    78. jason says:

      Correct, but Jason is arguing the number of new cases doesn’t matter to the public ”

      My point was that it shouldn’t matter as far as going about their lives if its 15k or 50k, which would be the case if we had an honest MSM.

      People should understand that with increased testing and reopenings there are going to be more cases, but if they are manageable then people whoo are not vulnerable should be comfortable with just common sense precautions.

      Since we don’t, it is possible many people believe them (and you).

    79. Scooterboy says:

      74. Yep

    80. VictrC says:

      So Joy Behar, champion of the liberal crowd, now says Americans don’t Independence, they are sheep because….wait for it….they don’t follow the government and wear masks!

      You can’t make this up.

      Now she is for fining every American who walks out of their house without wearing a mask, which apparantly they are doing in Hollywood…$300 a pop. Unless of course you are ANTIFA or BLM

    81. Tina says:

      So, we are up to muh 100000 cases?

      Is that the new “talking point” by trolls?

    82. jason says:

      Baloney. I use the RCP average or is that considered cherry picking in your book?”

      Zzzzzz….
      \
      You have made a career here of attacking polls you don’t like.

    83. Tina says:

      This is the bid news today on the covid hysteria:

      Hydroxychloroquine lowers COVID-19 death rate, Henry Ford Health study finds

    84. NYCmike says:

      “Unless of course you are ANTIFA or BLM”

      -VictrC,

      I have to correct you on this……they ALWAYS wear masks! Pre-Wuhan and post Wuhan!

    85. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 2, 2020 at 2:15 pm
      but, if Jason believes the number of new cases each day doesn’t matter,”

      So that is the dishonest version of what I wrote:

      “If Robbie would be able to think for himself instead of being addicted to CNN and MSNBC, he would admit there is a huge difference between 50k cases on top of 800k total cases a day and 2800 deaths WITH EVERYTHING SHUT DOWN and 50k cases a day on top of 2.5 million total cases and 600 deaths and EVERYTHING OPEN.”

      He could have argued what I wrote if he thinks it is wrong.

      Instead he just decided to make something up.

      – You’re made the case repeatedly recently the daily case count is arbitrary. So if that’s the case, then the number could 500,000 and you’d say it’s no big deal since we’re already closing in on 3 million confirmed cases, right?

      I’m just trying to find out if you believe the number will always be arbitrary or if there’s some number of new cases each day that will cause people to slow down their economic activity?

      If cases were still falling, Apple wouldn’t be closing some of its stores again. McDonalds wouldn’t be halting its plan to reopen indoor dining. AMC theaters wouldn’t have delayed its reopening for a month. Clearly, the recent increase matters.

      That said, my only initial point way back in 39 was there’s been a subtle shift in messaging about when we might expect a vaccine. It’s gone from Q4 to Q1 of 2021.

    86. jason says:

      we would all be celebrating that”

      BS. The MSM wouldn’t. You wouldn’t.

      Your goalposts would move immediately.

      Let’s get real.

      Your arbitrary numbers are complete MSM driven garbage.

    87. Tina says:

      The media will celebrate when trump loses.

      Covid hysteria will be gone overnight.

      If you believe otherwise, you are an idiot.

    88. Tina says:

      The Reckoning ?
      @sethjlevy
      ·
      18m
      Officials with the Heads of the Michigan health system said Thursday the study found the drug “significantly” decreased the death rate of patients.

    89. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 2, 2020 at 2:18 pm
      Party ID has NEVER “floated” to D+16 in the history of polling.

      – No, I’ve never seen it either. But we’ve also never conducted a national election in the era of polling when there’s been a once in a once in a century pandemic, a national nervous breakdown, simmering racial tensions, and a president who has been controversial to say the least. We can debate the partisan ID of these polls, but multiple polls by multiple organizations, including FoxNews, have found similar topline results.

    90. jason says:

      if there’s some number of new cases each day that will cause people to slow down their economic activity?”

      It all depends on how it gets reported on the dishonest MSM and the reaction by partisan hack politicians.

      If non-vulnerable people are told their risk of contagion is low if they take certain precautions and their risk of dying even lower, most people will react according.

      But if they are brainwashed by partisan propaganda and helped by useful idiots like you who will believe and repeat anything they say, then yes, they might go out less and spend less.

    91. Phil says:

      Similar top line results when the Party ID is D plus double digits?

      Well, duh

    92. jason says:

      The media will celebrate when trump loses.

      Covid hysteria will be gone overnight.

      If you believe otherwise, you are an idiot.”

      Robbie is an idiot. He actually thinks the MSM cares whether cases are 20k or 50k a day and that their narrative would change.

      You have to be really dense to think that.

    93. Tina says:

      Paging dr falllacy, is this wrong?

      The Detroit News
      @detroitnews
      · 1h
      Henry Ford Health System officials report a study done by the health system shows the controversial anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine helps lower the death rate of #COVID19 patients. https://bit.ly/2NSdSfb

    94. Robbie says:

      Robbie says:
      July 2, 2020 at 2:32 pm
      Phil says:
      July 2, 2020 at 2:18 pm
      Party ID has NEVER “floated” to D+16 in the history of polling.

      – Going back through the 2006 and 2008 polls at RCP, there were some polls that had party ID splits that were 13.

    95. Tina says:

      20000 case number is just an arbitrary number.

      When death rates plunged 90 percent, did the presstitutes even report this? No.

    96. Tina says:

      Breaking

      Trumps approval rebounds

      Peoples_Pundit
      @Peoples_Pundit
      · 2h
      ICYMI: Today’s @Rasmussen_Poll sponsored by #InsideTheNumbers @PPDNews finds @realDonaldTrump’s approval rating ticking higher to 46%, matching @BarackObama this day (July 2) in 2012. twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll…

    97. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 2, 2020 at 2:36 pm
      Similar top line results when the Party ID is D plus double digits?

      Well, duh

      – It’s not as hard to get a split like that as you might imagine. Democrats usually have about a 5 or 6 point edge, right? If the Republican number goes down 5 or 6 because so many decide to tell the pollsters they’re Independents and the Democrat number goes up a couple, then you can get a big split.

      Again, we’ve never run an election in the polling era where there’s been a highly polarizing president, a once in a century pandemic, a national nervous breakdown, and simmering racial tension. We’re breaking new ground. It’s a mistake to just assume this election is like every other we’ve had recently.

    98. Tina says:

      Seems like we do have better treatment option months after the fact.

      Seems like the malaria drug works, at least in that Detroit hospital study.

      But gubment doctors are pushing the other drug at a much higher cost., or other more costlier treatments.

    99. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 2, 2020 at 2:40 pm
      20000 case number is just an arbitrary number.

      When death rates plunged 90 percent, did the presstitutes even report this? No.

      – Of course, it is. I was trying to determine from jason whether he believes any daily case count is arbitrary and it doesn’t matter.

    100. Phil says:

      ….and how accurate did those D+13 polls turn out to be on election day

      2000 D+4
      2004 even
      2008 D+7
      2012 D+6
      2016 D+3

      2016 D+double digits?

      Suddenly it’s 1964 again?

    101. Tina says:

      You are the one pushing a number indicating that the media will praise it.

      This is not true, and you know it.

      I much rather look at case #s, hospitalizations, and mortality rates.

      What are hospitals doing differently now vs “March”.

    102. Phil says:

      How about a party ID bet on election day?

      Over and under being D+10

      I’ll take the under.

      How much?

    103. Tina says:

      What are the odds that Madam Maxwell gets Arkancided in prison?

    104. Phil says:

      Madam Maxwell should be scared sh*tless. Hope she has her affairs in order.

    105. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 2, 2020 at 2:48 pm
      How about a party ID bet on election day?

      Over and under being D+10

      I’ll take the under.

      How much?

      – Well, here’s the thing. On election day, the question on the exit polls (assuming there are exits polls) will be “Are you a registered Republican or Democrat? It will be far narrower than the polls find because the polls ask a different question. The pollsters ask something like “Do you consider yourself a Republican or Democrats?”. Those are two very different questions and provoke two very different answers. Bret Baier gave a long explanation about this just last Thursday when he discussed Fox’s poll.

    106. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      There is a question of whether an effective CORVID-19 can even be made. There are all sorts of novel approaches being tested to stimulate an immune response to the virus, but there is no guarantee any of them will work. A vaccine that provides at least some protection may be years away. Are we supposed to live in caves until then?

      The difficulties of developing a CORVID-19 vaccine were summarized well in the comments below:

      “Richard Greene | April 26, 2020 at 12:17 pm |
      Enns: What other corona family virus has a vaccine for humans ? My research says none !

      Mike Enns | April 26, 2020 at 2:21 pm |
      I agree, it is a mistake to depend on a vaccine to end the crisis. I am saying something else here. The very basis of a vaccine is that it prompts the human body to create antibodies. So if Dr. Theresa Tam, our chief health officer, believes that the presence of antibodies does not guarantee prevention of reinfection how can she believe that a vaccine will help.”

    107. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      108 *”There is a question of whether an effective CORVID-19 vaccine can even be made.”

    108. Robbie says:

      SDC

      It’s also true no one has ever attempted to create a vaccine for a coronavirus. There was a modest effort for SARS, but it went away on its own so they gave up.

      As for antibodies, the flu shot doesn’t prevent reinfection either so we just get one every year. Also, most of the stories I’ve read suggests vaccines will at the very least take away the worst aspects of this corona and make it just another cold.

    109. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Agree, Robbie. It is important to try and develop a vaccine. There are a lot of excellent people working on it, using novel approaches. But it may be years away. A lockdown that devastates the economy cannot be based on waiting for an effective vaccine to the virus.

      Flue shots can be hit or miss sometimes. I refuse to get them now.

    110. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 2, 2020 at 2:21 pm
      Half a million a day. Hmmm That would provide herd immunity in about two weeks.

      Not a bad plan.

      – To be honest, if we never shut down, we’d probably be very close to some form of herd immunity.

    111. Hugh says:

      The only positive if Biden is elected is the the virus will go away.

    112. lisab says:

      Then under your view, we can have 100,000 or 200,000 cases a day and it’s no big deal.
      ——————-

      as long as deaths are down it is fine

      we could have a million cases a day as long as deaths are down

    113. Robbie says:

      SanDiegoCitizen says:
      July 2, 2020 at 3:12 pm
      Agree, Robbie. It is important to try and develop a vaccine. There are a lot of excellent people working on it, using novel approaches. But it may be years away. A lockdown that devastates the economy cannot be based on waiting for an effective vaccine to the virus.

      – I’m certainly not advocating for a lockdown. In fact, I opposed the extended lockdowns that went through April and into May.

      I think we’ll get a vaccine by January that, at a minimum, turns this corona into little more than a cold. I suspect there will be other vaccines further down the line that eliminate it.

    114. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Developing a vaccine to a coronavirus is tricky:

      “Even if a COVID-19 vaccine can jumpstart the necessary immune response, researchers aren’t sure how long that immunity might last, Jacobs added. While research suggests that the coronavirus doesn’t mutate quickly, “we have seasonal coronaviruses that come, year in [and] year out, and they don’t change much year to year,” he said. Despite hardly changing form, the four coronaviruses that cause the common cold keep infecting people — so why haven’t we built up immunity?
      Perhaps, there’s something odd about the virus itself, specifically in its antigens, viral proteins that can be recognized by the immune system, and that causes immunity to wear off. Alternatively, coronaviruses may somehow fiddle with the immune system itself, and that could explain the drop-off in immunity over time, Andino-Pavlovsky said. To ensure a vaccine can grant long-term immunity against SARS-CoV-2, scientists will have to address these questions. In the short term, they’ll have to design experiments to challenge the immune system after vaccination and test its resilience through time, Jacobs said.”

      https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html

    115. Stonewall DW says:

      YouGov national matchup

      Biden 45
      Trump 40

    116. Robbie says:

      lisab says:
      July 2, 2020 at 3:21 pm
      Then under your view, we can have 100,000 or 200,000 cases a day and it’s no big deal.
      ——————-

      as long as deaths are down it is fine

      we could have a million cases a day as long as deaths are down

      – But people aren’t going to go out to restaurants and bars, go shopping as they normally would, or get on planes and stay at hotels or get on cruises if things are like that.

      Regardless, governors are not going to end these capacity restrictions and social distancing measures if cases go to 100,000, 200,000, or even 500,000 regardless of the death rate.

    117. Waingro says:

      DW, do you have a link to that by any chance?

    118. lisab says:

      But people aren’t going to go out to restaurants and bars, ….

      ———————

      yeah they would if deaths are down

      because they would quickly realize that the number of cases does not matter at all as long as deaths are down

      the number of cases i much like the number of women wearing a green dress …

      sure, you hate to see that, but it does not actually hurt anything

    119. Waingro says:

      #119, DW: I’m referring to this:

      “Stonewall DW says:
      July 2, 2020 at 3:24 pm
      YouGov national matchup

      Biden 45
      Trump 40”

    120. lisab says:

      Ghislaine Maxwell just arrested

      i am sorry to hear about her suicide tomorrow

    121. Robbie says:

      Since we’re doing polls, it appears no one has posted this from Monmouth today.

      Biden 53
      Trump 41

      Forget Biden’s number for the time being or throw it in the garbage can if you want. What every poll shows, even the ones that show a narrower race, is Trump at about 39 to 41. For an incumbent president to be at that level with four months to go is a less than good sign.

    122. Waingro says:

      #122, thanks, DW! Interesting. So they did a separate poll with yahoo 2 days after their weekly Economist poll showing 49-40 for Biden. Hoping this represents a shift!

    123. lisab says:

      aren’t there rules about keeping prisoners safe?

      she might as well have said: “i have evidence that will result in the arrest and prosecution of bill and hillary clinton”

      she is a dead woman walking, unless the people she saw with young girls believe she will keep her mouth shut.

    124. Tina says:

      Clearly China Biden had a bad 2 weeks.

      Today’s job news is horrible for him.

    125. Country Dick Montana says:

      ” For an incumbent president to be at that level with four months to go is a less than good sign.”

      And what pray tell are we supposed to do about it?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trljmnV6blE

    126. lisab says:

      Since we’re doing polls, it appears no one has posted this from Monmouth today.

      Biden 53
      Trump 41
      ——————————
      oy vey,

      robbie just said in #76 he does not cherry pick polls!

    127. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Agree with this comment:

      “Sweden has it right for an important reason: it refrained from issuing orders infringing on individual liberties and instead viewed the individual citizen, and not the state, as the primary actor responsible for their own well-being. Most other countries opted for the view that citizens are subservient to the needs of the state, and thus orders can be issued that assume that the well-being of the state is supreme and individual rights can be discarded. Nothing good has ever come from such a philosophy, yet here it is again, rearing its ugly head just as it did in Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s Russia. This is not a trivial matter, yet is treated as if it is.”

      Sweden’s death rate and ICU admission rates continue to fall.

    128. Scooterboy says:

      129. Lol

    129. lisab says:

      so ny is going to reduce the cop budget by $1 billion

      are they going to reduce policing in rich neighborhoods? i don’t think so.

      the people who pay will be the poor

    130. Tina says:

      Maybe now the sdny will let us know what really was on the wiener lap top.

      Is the pedo ring true

    131. Waingro says:

      #124, LOL. Robbie you were waiting for the right time to pull the trigger on that one, eh?

    132. Stonewall DW says:

      Like Monmouth has ever once had good news for the GOP.

    133. Scooterboy says:

      134. Yeah, the “undecided voter scammer” had that one teed up and ready to go.

    134. NYCmike says:

      “the people who pay will be the poor”

      -Still waiting for a statue of Mayor Rudy to be erected in every poor neighborhood of NYC. His policies saved over 1500 mostly minorities every year since he was elected in 1993…….somehow, minority children are taught that he is racist against black and brown people.

    135. Hugh says:

      Anyone believing that Biden would win by 12 if the election were held today is not to be taken seriously. In fact cut that number in half and it would be the same.

    136. Gordon Allen says:

      Don’t bother with polls. How about real facts. Check the retail and leisure and entertainment job numbers today. Apparently people,where allowed to are not that concerned about ” cases”. Probably because they don’t know anyone really sick or who has died.These numbers would be even higher if not for states putting the brakes on.Sometimes actual numbers say something.
      Like the highest number of gun purchases in June ever. Probably not fans of Democrat gun control; just guessing.

    137. Tina says:

      So, this health official now admits that “protests likely caused the surge” in S California.

      Gee really?

      https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-23/lapd-coronavirus-cases-spike-adding-to-debate-over-role-of-protests-in-spread

    138. lisab says:

      lots of rumors on twitter saying that ghislaine is going to bring down …

      wait for it …

      trump

    139. dblaikie says:

      The media just can’t kill it. Henry Ford Health System’s study of HCQ with Zinc has reduced mortality in the hospital by 50%! If this is further verified there are lots of people with blood dripping from their hands.

    140. Scooterboy says:

      Daily Caller- Rachel Maddow predicted earlier in the week that the June jobs numbers would be “absolutely terrible”

      The U.S. added 4.8 million jobs.

    141. jason says:

      robbie just said in #76 he does not cherry pick polls!”

      You can’t make this sh-t up.

      The Trump down by 5 doesn’t fit his narrative so he searches the MSM for a poll that does.

      But, no, he doesn’t cherry pick them.

    142. Tina says:

      Another effective ad against China Biden.

      https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1278779299202510848

    143. Hugh says:

      So my roommate from college and wife. Got the virus. Each had to be tested multiple times until negative. Each positive test is counted as a new case. They logged in 5 positive cases. Great system. He is 63 and is 100 lbs overweight. He had a headache and fever for a day then was tired for about 5 days. No other issues.

    144. lisab says:

      fbi wants to talk to

      prince andrew!

    145. Stonewall DW says:

      Interestingly same Monmouth poll has the generic congressional ballot at D 50, R 42. My guess is the generic ballot is much closer given the absurd topline numbers on the potus race.

    146. Robbie says:

      Tom LoBianco
      @tomlobianco
      Tucker Carlson for President 2024? GOP donors and conservative media are taking the idea seriously in — my dive into all the chatter on
      @TuckerCarlson

      – So I guess the moral of this whole saga is to make all the same mistakes again? Hard pass on Tucker.

    147. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 2, 2020 at 4:07 pm
      robbie just said in #76 he does not cherry pick polls!”

      You can’t make this sh-t up.

      The Trump down by 5 doesn’t fit his narrative so he searches the MSM for a poll that does.

      But, no, he doesn’t cherry pick them.

      – I didn’t say believe it on it’s own. I said here’s another poll. Strange it hadn’t been commented on here, right? The RCP average stands at 9.3 point for Biden.

    148. Robbie says:

      lisab says:
      July 2, 2020 at 3:37 pm
      Since we’re doing polls, it appears no one has posted this from Monmouth today.

      Biden 53
      Trump 41
      ——————————
      oy vey,

      robbie just said in #76 he does not cherry pick polls!

      – I didn’t say believe it on it’s own. I said here’s another poll. Strange it hadn’t been commented on here, right? The RCP average stands at 9.3 point for Biden.

    149. Robbie says:

      Stonewall DW says:
      July 2, 2020 at 4:29 pm
      Interestingly same Monmouth poll has the generic congressional ballot at D 50, R 42. My guess is the generic ballot is much closer given the absurd topline numbers on the potus race.

      – Or there’s a group of Republicans who still plan to vote Republican in the other races, but don’t intend to vote for Trump. Plenty of polls have shown that. Others have shown something different.

      Still, I would be shocked if Trump lost by 12 points nationally. The RCP average has the race eat 9.3 points. That’s the benefit of the averages. It smooths out result.

    150. John says:

      Monmouth poll? Take it with a grain of salt. Monmouth had Clinton winning by 6 points in November but had a 12 point lead for Hillary in October…
      https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_110716/

    151. lisab says:

      The RCP average has the race eat 9.3 points. That’s the benefit of the averages. It smooths out result.
      ——————-

      so you think trump will lose by 9%?

    152. Scooterboy says:

      M. Joseph Sheppard- “ YouGov Biden +5
      Blacks Trump 10% Hispanics 30%.
      The most realistic minority vote intention I have seen and if eventuates a guarantee of a Trump win.
      94% “have made up their minds
      Undecided 6%”

    153. Country Dick Montana says:

      I have a question about polling in general. I read somewhere that some of these random voter polls have a response rate of 1% or less. This would indicate to me that the people polled are somewhat self selecting, i.e. they want their opinions and views to be known. That is sort of like people with lots of bumper stickers on their cars (who I avoid when I see them.)

      Would the self selection process lead to bias and how is this bias handled.

    154. lisab says:

      cleveland to replace statue of columbus with

      chef boyardee

    155. lisab says:

      This would indicate to me that the people polled are somewhat self selecting, i.e. they want their opinions and views to be known.
      ———————————

      yes response rate is a big problem

      also, if someone randomly called you and asked if you supported trump, would you say yes? you are just putting a target on yourself. how do you know it is not a blm/antifa supporter calling?

      finally, if a never trumper is called, they will go to great lengths to tell the pollster how much they are against trump

      finally, many of the pollsters are democrats or at least the ones paying them for the poll are democrats … which means the pollster knows what answer is wanted

      all of the above is problematic

    156. lisab says:

      third not finally 🙂

    157. Stonewall DW says:

      158 – I recall as a boy when the phone rang, it was a big deal. Everyone gathered around, and one person sat down, answered it, and took notes so that after the call was over, there would be a report to everyone else on what was said–and you had to notice whether or not the neighbor on the party line was listening in.

      Walt remembers when the same process was used around the telegraph wire.

      Those days are gone. People only answer the phone when they recognize the number. Even if a polling firm puts their name out there in the caller ID, it will only attract the type of people who want their opinion known.

      So for this reason, along with everything being so politicized now, polling is more or less dead. The only way to do it is use past performance and data to craft results based on the sample you get. The problem is the left always thinks the electorate is D+13 nationally.

    158. lisab says:

      wow … can’t believe Ghislaine Maxwell committed suicide next week

    159. Robbie says:

      lisab says:
      July 2, 2020 at 4:55 pm
      The RCP average has the race eat 9.3 points. That’s the benefit of the averages. It smooths out result.
      ——————-

      so you think trump will lose by 9%?

      – If the election were today, I think Trump might lose by 7-8 points. That’s not set in stone, but it’s certainly possible. It would be the margin by which Obama beat McCain.

      Trump should be glad the election’s not today and is still four months off. That said, a lot of voting will start in about three months so his time to turn things around is closing.

    160. lisab says:

      hawaiian shirts now cancelled by the mob

      it represents colonialism

    161. lisab says:

      If the election were today, I think Trump might lose by 7-8 points.
      ——————————

      so even you think the polls are wrong

    162. Country Dick Montana says:

      Robbie,

      Since the election is not today, all things being equal, what do you think will happen when the voters get an extended look at Biden?

      In your distaste for trump, I think sometimes you forget that people will eventually have to come to terms with for whom they vote, not just who they vote against.

    163. Robbie says:

      lisab says:
      July 2, 2020 at 5:21 pm
      If the election were today, I think Trump might lose by 7-8 points.
      ——————————

      so even you think the polls are wrong

      – Hardly. I think the polls, both national and state, suggest Trump’s behind and behind by a sizable margin right now. The RCP average has it at 9.3 and I tried to be conservative at 7 or so since I still believe Trump will get at least 45% of the national vote.

      Think of it this way. If 140 million vote for president, that means each percentage point is 1.4 million people. If Trump’s behind by 9.3 points as the RCP average says, that’s a difference of more than 13 million votes. If he’s behind by 7 or so, that 9.8 million votes. Obama beat McCain by 9.5 million votes.

    164. lisab says:

      Harvard grad Claira Janover says she’s lost Deloitte job over TikTok ‘stab threat’

      “I’ma stab you,” the Connecticut native said in the video, zooming in tight on her face.

      “I’ma stab you, and while you’re struggling and bleeding out, I’ma show you my paper cut and say, ‘My cut matters, too.’”

      Janover, who contended that the message was an analogy rather than a serious threat, has since received a deluge of threats against her own life and safety.

      “Trump supporters took my job away from me,” she said in another new video posted Wednesday. “I have gotten death threats, rape threats, violent threats. It was OK, but now my future’s entirely compromised because Trump supporters have decided to come for my life.”

    165. lisab says:

      The RCP average has it at 9.3 and I tried to be conservative at 7 or so
      ———————————

      wait … you just said 7 or 8

      now it’s 7?

      but definitely not the rcp average?!

      so you think rcp is inflating the polls

    166. PresidentPaul! says:

      Zerohedge reported earlier that Maxwell will probably be sent to the same location where Epstein killed himself.

    167. lisab says:

      i think robbie is showing his caucasity

    168. lisab says:

      Zerohedge reported earlier that Maxwell will probably be sent to the same location where Epstein killed himself.
      ———————

      you mean the morgue?

    169. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      July 2, 2020 at 5:27 pm
      Robbie,

      Since the election is not today, all things being equal, what do you think will happen when the voters get an extended look at Biden?

      In your distaste for trump, I think sometimes you forget that people will eventually have to come to terms with for whom they vote, not just who they vote against.

      – Yes, I don’t care for Trump personally, but that really has nothing to do with how I’m reading the polling data. The numbers are what they are. If the race were closer, I’d say it was closer. I spent most of April and all of May believing he still had a good chance, but June was bad for him.

      Regardless, voters have had an extended look at Biden for more than a year now and certainly since he became the defacto nominee in March. It hasn’t really mattered. In fact, his lead has expanded.

      Trump’s spent plenty of time the last few months questioning Biden’s mental acuity and policies, but there aren’t a lot of signs it’s made a difference. And it hasn’t made much difference that Biden’s been hiding in his basement. Voters don’t seem to care right, at least so far.

      In presidential re-elections, it’s a referendum on the incumbent so it’s quite possible the voters just decide they’ve had enough of Trump and are ready to vote for Biden despite his weaknesses. Trump will certainly carpet bomb Biden, but no campaign has been at the mercy of outside events quite like Trump’s has been. Corona and riots have blocked out his campaign efforts.

    170. lisab says:

      if you have not seen the Claira Janover videos they are comedy gold

      she cannot believe she got cancelled

      amazing that an accounting firm doesn’t want an employee that threatens people

    171. Marv says:

      Hey lisab,

      I’m about to tackle “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” by Shirer. Have you, by chance, read that? If so, what do you think of it?

    172. Country Dick Montana says:

      There will come a time when he faces Biden. I think that will change a lot of minds. Also people will need to come to terms with the consequences of their votes. Trump and the circumstances are beating Trump right now, but not by the margins we are seeing in the polling.

      If you think that Trump is finished, why do you stay here and repeat it ad nauseum? That is a serious question. I don’t care what the others think of you, I would like to know in your own words, what motivates you to continue this.

    173. lisab says:

      “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”

      no, never did … i was not really a fan of ww2 history

      although i did read guadalcanal diary, men against fire, the bunker, stalingrad, The Second World War, 1939-1945, and some random other things like anne frank etc

    174. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      July 2, 2020 at 5:50 pm
      If you think that Trump is finished, why do you stay here and repeat it ad nauseum? That is a serious question. I don’t care what the others think of you, I would like to know in your own words, what motivates you to continue this.

      – First, this isn’t a rah rah forum. Part of discussing politics is discussing it even when it goes badly for the Republicans. Second, this forum isn’t just about Trump. It’s about all political races and Republicans still have a chance to hold the Senate. How Trump does will determine how the Senate finishes.

    175. lisab says:

      Quartered Safe Out Here by George MacDonald Fraser

      is a great ww2 history if you get a chance

      ww2 in burma

    176. Marv says:

      lisab,

      “The Bunker” by James P O’Donnell?

    177. Country Dick Montana says:

      There is “rah rah” on my part, and as I asked you yesterday name just one person who thinks that Trump is not behind…just one.

      You claim that it is about other things but you speak of Trump insistently. The shtick is tiresome.

    178. lisab says:

      Part of discussing politics is discussing it even ESPECIALLY when it goes badly for the Republicans.

      fixed that for you

    179. PresidentPaul! says:

      Musk refused the island!

      Musk told the magazine “I don’t recall introducing Epstein to anyone, as I don’t know the guy well enough to do so, Epstein is obviously a creep and Zuckerberg is not a friend of mine. Several years ago, I was at his house in Manhattan for about 30 minutes in the middle of the afternoon with Talulah [Riley], as she was curious about meeting this strange person for a novel she was writing. We did not see anything inappropriate at all, apart from weird art. He tried repeatedly to get me to visit his island. I declined.”

    180. lisab says:

      “The Bunker” by James P O’Donnell?
      —————————————

      yes

      one of the stories has one of the female secretaries taking the diamonds they used to put on some of the iron crosses

      she had a bag of them tied to her bra

      she was in the breakout attempt, but was caught and raped by the russians

      the russians did not bother to undress her, so they did not find them

    181. NYCmike says:

      Voting starts in September. Democrats will keep Joe hidden until after it starts.

      Robbie will do his best to alert all people to the terrible news about President Trump.

    182. Marv says:

      lisab,

      Just looked up “The Bunker” on Amazon. I’ll order it later.

      Richard J Evan’s trilogy of books on the Third Reich is on my to read list. I decided to take a long look at WW 2 in Europe to review how it all started. Evan’s makes the case that the seeds of WW 2 started with the Prussian win in the Franco-Prussian War of 1971. That’s where the first of the three book series starts.

    183. lisab says:

      Quartered Safe Out Here by George MacDonald Fraser

      “It was part of war; men died, more would die, that was past, and what mattered now was the business in hand; those who lived would get on with it. Whatever sorrow was felt, there was no point in talking or brooding about it, much less in making, for form’s sake, a parade of it. Better and healthier to forget it, and look to tomorrow.
      The celebrated British stiff upper lip, the resolve to conceal emotion which is not only embarrassing and useless, but harmful, is just plain commons sense”

      ? George MacDonald Fraser, Quartered Safe Out Here: A Harrowing Tale of World War II

    184. lisab says:

      “I think little of people who will deny their history because it doesn’t present the picture they would like.”
      ? George MacDonald Fraser

      “Most of us do not think of ourselves as criminals, but possibly there are things in our daily lives which we regard as our “inheritance” which will move future generations to critical disgust.”
      ? George MacDonald Fraser, The Steel Bonnets: The Story of the Anglo-Scottish Border Reivers

    185. Marv says:

      lisab,

      Men were tough in those days. Now….not quite as much.

    186. lisab says:

      Evan’s makes the case that the seeds of WW 2 started with the Prussian win in the Franco-Prussian War of 1971 (1871)
      —————————-

      for that matter, with emperor napoleon

      napoleon iii might not have gone to war with prussia had he been named john smith

    187. lisab says:

      Men were tough in those days. Now….not quite as much.
      ——————-

      (sigh) yeah, too little testosterone

      i remember my uncles and father, who were from the ww2/korean war era were sitting around one time drinking a little too much on new years

      and for once, they started talking about the war years — they NEVER talked about that

      so my cousins and i were listening in, on the outskirts of the circle

      they did not talk about battle or anything … it was all about, “and then the sergeant tripped and fell in the mud” or “we stole bread from the kitchen” or “we made purple grape juice and grain alcohol” or “this guy in my unit used to eat razor blades” etc.

    188. lisab says:

      now men wear sweaters and go to flower shows

    189. Marv says:

      lisab,

      You have point there.

      Thanks for the correction, (1871).

    190. Hugh says:

      187. Once you start it let me know if it is good. Seems a stretch to trace ww2 to the Franco Prussian war. I read a couple books on that war and probably 30 plus on ww2. Part of the reason I retired this year was to start reading again. With the laptop computer I could work anywhere and my book reading stopped. Love history books.

    191. lisab says:

      and … my family was all democrats!!!

      half were marines!

    192. lisab says:

      Seems a stretch to trace ww2 to the Franco Prussian war.
      —————————–

      well it gave germany Alsace-Lorraine

      AND

      unified germany

      which led to ww1

      which was just a 20 year armistice to ww2

    193. Marv says:

      Hugh,

      The Franco-Prussian War lead to tensions in Europe which eventually erupted into WW 1 and the German defeat. Adolph Hitler was particularly incensed by the Treaty of Versailles. We know what happened next.

      It takes Evan three books at about 900 pages each to get through the period of 1871-1945.

    194. Hugh says:

      Well. No doubt ww1 die to the treaty put on Germany led to ww2. If you go to Alsace it is very Germanic. The architecture is more German than French. Still if you like the book let me know. The Franco Prussian war united Catholic Germany with Protestant Germany. A very difficult task that surprised the French. Credit Bismarck.

    195. Marv says:

      Here is a little info Evans three books if anyone is interested.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Reich_Trilogy

    196. lisab says:

      Samurai! sn autobiographical book by Saburo Sakai

      is also a good read

    197. Marv says:

      lisab,

      Very good book. I read it while stationed in Japan.

    198. lisab says:

      Very good book. I read it while stationed in Japan.
      ——————————

      wow, that would be cool.

    199. Hugh says:

      Ok. That’s odd. I also read that book

    200. jason says:

      r there’s a group of Republicans who still plan to vote Republican in the other races, but don’t intend to vote for Trump. Plenty of polls have shown that. ”

      BS.

    201. Phil says:

      Yeah, I call BS on that as well.

      Wasn’t it Kristol who. Said “we are all Democrats now”?

      He damn sure isn’t voting for Trump and that quote doesn’t sound like he’s voting R down the ballot.

    202. Chester says:

      Sorry Gov Abbot but I will not be complying with your order to wear a mask. NO WAY.
      Trump needs to get this squish under control. Trump also needs to stop listening to Fauci the Deep Stater.

    203. Tina says:

      Todd Lowdon
      @tlowdon
      ·
      1h
      Per
      @COVID19Tracking
      , states reported 644 US COV2 deaths today, the lowest Thursday figure since Mar 26 but down only slightly from last week’s 647. The 7-day avg ticks down, barely, to 526.7 from yesterday’s 527.1.

    204. Chester says:

      California, New York and Illinois all have more deaths today then Texas. Heck of a job there Blue State governors.

      Abbot needs to quit listening to Deep State Fauci. No masks in Texas.

    205. NYCmike says:

      “California, New York and Illinois all have more deaths today then Texas.”

      -Is this true?

    206. Tina says:

      Has Fallacy commented?

      Phil Kerpen
      @kerpen
      ·
      3m
      Key points:

      1. HCQ works *early*; this study was within 24-48 hours of hospital admissions.

      2. HCQ works *with steroids*; these patients also receive medrol.

      https://detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/07/02/michigan-henry-ford-health-study-finds-hydroxychloroquine-lowers-covid-19-death-rate/5365090002/… via
      @detroitnews

    207. Hugh says:

      Tina fauci the fraud will say nothing about it. He has blood on his hands. But the man and Jason do not care.

    208. lisab says:

      ghislaine maxwell on suicide watch
      ————————————–

      well … that’s that

    209. lisab says:

      Ghislaine Maxwell didn’t kill herself.

    210. Chester says:

      NYCMike, yeah 100% true.

    211. Tina says:

      M.Joseph Sheppard
      @SHEPMJS
      ·
      5h
      Trump Appro:

      Rasmussen 46% Optimus 46% HarrisX46% YouGov45%

      Maine Collins +8 Texas Cornyn +7 Texas Trump +4

      Sky not falling.

    212. VictrC says:

      All’s quiet on the Western Front here it seems.

      BTW –
      Great book

    213. Scooterboy says:

      Somebody is working overtime to scrub Kamala Harris’s Wikipedia page, and a war is raging over it .

      https://t.co/NefMZsI2p6

    214. Victrc says:

      Yeah i think it will be Harris. Rice is untested in an electoral forum, so no idea how she will do and now has baggage from the masking, the video starting the fighting in Benghazi, etc

    215. lisab says:

      All’s quiet on the Western Front here it seems.

      BTW –
      Great book
      ————————

      i agree, but a very disturbing book

      the made for tv movie with john boy walton was good too

    216. VictrC says:

      LisaB – agreed on both counts.

      Though, if we say its a good book now, we will probably be branded as typical Trump German loving, etc etc etc

    217. PresidentPaul! says:

      btw I was looking at which companies the Fed was buying up corporate bonds on. One of things that was very interesting was that many of the companies aren’t even in the USA. Here’s a list of holdings.

      Toyota (#1 yes)
      VW (#2)
      Daimler (#3)

      Do the top three receivers of bond buying look like US companies?

      Look at Daimler. Of note chinese investor Li Shufu owns nearly 10% of Daimler. A group called Bejing Automotive owned by the CCP owns 5%. Another 7% of the companies equity is owned by a Kuwait fund. Not only are you bailing out a German company, but the Fed is bailing out its chinese shareholders.

      Oddly ATT is #4 and for some reason apple is #5. Oddly Apple has 50 billion in cash and 50 million in stock so they have over 100 billion in liquidity (it doesn’t even need a bailout)

    218. PresidentPaul! says:

      This is a cui bono situation.

      The Fed is actually privately owned by individuals and groups starting with the jekyll island group who first bought it (not publically traded)

      By conveniently buying up corporate bonds they get to move further and further out the risk curve and essentially make more money for their shareholders at the tax payer expense of course.

    219. PresidentPaul! says:

      Crazy thing is we can’t audit the Fed to see how much extra profit is going to these shareholders.

      (That would be a conspiracy to do that.)

    220. PresidentPaul! says:

      btw NIRP policies (negatives rates) means the dealer banks will have to pay the Fed on its excess reserves meaning much better profits.

      The stock owners of the European central banks that did negative rates knew very well that it would lead to excess profit.

      Also do you achieve the ability to buy up corporate bonds (and even junk bonds!): you need to create more excess reserves first.

      Ideally you want to limit your downside so you’d buy fortress companies with minimal downside (buy apple!) and microsoft (also in top 10)

    221. jason says:

      But the man and Jason do not care.”

      My level of greatness here has gone up again.

      I have now reached equal status with “the man”.

    222. jason says:

      Audit the fed?

      Zzzzzzzzzzzz……

    223. jason says:

      The Fed is actually privately owned by individuals and groups starting with the jekyll island group who first bought it (not publically traded)”

      Paulbots do live in the alternate world….

    224. Gordon Allen says:

      Trump’s behind by 4-5 points at most,in large part from California,New York,etc.” Averaging” a garbage dump leaves you still with garbage. If the real election is D+4 or less ( which I think it will be) Trump will win.You read that here

    225. jason says:

      Sorry Gov Abbot but I will not be complying with your order to wear a mask. NO WAY.
      Trump needs to get this squish under control. ”

      Abbott is now a squish?

      Dang, will Chester the Troll turn off the lights?

    226. Gordon Allen says:

      BTW . I hadn’t heard of the ” bunker” before,but the fact that Germany became unified in 1871 and became the leading power in Europe, thereby creating the ” German Problem”,is nota new historical analysis but generally accepted as the cause of tension through 1045.

    227. jason says:

      Well. No doubt ww1 die to the treaty put on Germany led to ww2. If you go to Alsace it is very Germanic.”

      I never agreed with this, although certainly Hitler used it as an excuse.

      Germany started WWI for the same reasons it started WWII, which was to increase its empire.

      WWI caused over 20 million deaths both military and civilian plus enormous devastation. The idea that the terms of the armistice were too “harsh”is widely accepted as fact but in reality they were designed to force Germany to pay reparations and try to keep Germany in check.

      Hitler did not want Alsace. He wanted world domination. He could have had a “greater Germany” with Austria, Czechoslovakia and other concessions without starting a major war. Had he not invaded Russia, he might even had brokered a peace deal getting Alsace back and other major concessions including a big chunk of Poland.

    228. jason says:

      Trump’s behind by 4-5 points at most,in large part from California,New York,etc.” Averaging” a garbage dump leaves you still with garbage. If the real election is D+4 or less ( which I think it will be) Trump will win.You read that here”

      Hope you are right.

      I find this argument at least as persuasive as Robbie’s doomsday scenario.

    229. jason says:

      Both TX and AZ had drops in cases yesterday.

      The surge in cases in TX started on June 16th and yesterday they still only had 44 deaths, so the low mortality rate is for real even with a “lag”.

      BTW, 32 states had fewer than 10 deaths yesterday.

    230. jason says:

      orry Gov Abbot but I will not be complying with your order to wear a mask. NO WAY.”

      Question of the day: if you add Chester’s IQ to Bunu’s, would you get to 100?

    231. jason says:

      Ok, off to the gun range.

    232. Gordon Allen says:

      Jason, Germany did not start WW1. The nation that intentionally transformed a localized Balkan conflict into a Great Power war was Russia. By inserting itself into the Austrian- Serbian conflict, without benefit of any alliance requiring it to,by mobilizing first( and clandestinely), and attacking Germany ( East Prussia) first Russia was the driver of the Great War.
      Hitler did not seem world domination as that phrase implies,but to create an Eastern Empire ( eastern Europe and European Russia) which over time ,long past his lifetime, would have sufficient resources to become a World Power on the scale of the US.
      Indirectly for sure Germany was the cause of both Would Wars,as the German Problem was the perpetual concern over German pre-eminence in Europe becoming German dominance.my minor at Columbia ( major economics) was European 20th Century history and inevitably the ” German Problem” was a prime subject.

    233. Hugh says:

      I can assure you if you go to Alsace the architecture in the old towns look German not French.

    234. Wes says:

      Jason turns Germany in WWI into a James Bond villain trying to take over the world. WWI started because a Serbian national murdered the Archduke of Austria-Hungary. All of the nations aligned with each of those countries then became involved in the so-called Great War.

      To say Germany started the war is a sophomoric argument. Europe was a powder keg ignited by the actions of a single radical.

    235. Scooterboy says:

      The Man who Correctly Predicted President Trump’s 2016 Win Predicts President Trump has a 91% Chance of Being Reelected in 2020

      https://t.co/5IX0Noe3PH

    236. Bitterlaw says:

      Did Germany start WW1? No. Did Germany take advantage of the start of the conflict to head west and start trying to conquer Belgium and France? Absolutely. The Allies never tried to seize Berlin. Germany tried to take Paris.

    237. hugh says:

      52 47 in Ras today. creeping back up. Trump should do more speeches and have his staff take most of the questions. His tweets should focus on the economy, biden, lower death rates and tie biden’s election to a worsening economy and support for all the crazy stuff the dems stand for today. Republican senators should quit trying to placate the mob, it will not work. Get on the trump train or die, because that is going to happen whether they like it or not.

    238. Gordon Allen says:

      Bitter. Yes…but. Long discussion of strategy aside, France’s commitment to side with Russia forced the issue. Germany couldn’t passively accept the Strategic initiative to belong to Russia and France because combined they were significantly superior numerically to Germany.
      An offensive to defeat one,hold on against the other,then defeat the second one Russia’s vast size precluded a quick victory there, logically leaving only France.
      On July 20 the French President Poincaire visited the Czar( a pre planned visit) and urged him to forcefully support the Serbs. France and Russia had recently increased the terms of required service ( active) by a year and felt as relatively strong v Germany as they had been.The Russian mobilization first was the equivalent to our Defcon One
      The Germans asked the French to declare their intentions; a vow of neut

    239. Gordon Allen says:

      Neutrality would have likely avoided a German attack on France ( through Belgium drawing in the British).
      The French and Russians particularly were more anxious for war with Germany than vice versa. The German interest had been to support their ally Austria against Serbia only,a perceived local conflict.
      The Germans had EVERY right to be incensed at being branded at Versailles as the sole instigator of WW 1, a key factor in Hitler’s rise to power for his declared intention to rip that treat of page by page.
      The free pass given the Russians in WW1, and to some extent WW2 is a mystery to me

    240. mRviTO says:

      Now that we are erasing history, aren’t we doomed to repeat it?

    241. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 3, 2020 at 7:44 am
      Trump’s behind by 4-5 points at most,in large part from California,New York,etc.” Averaging” a garbage dump leaves you still with garbage. If the real election is D+4 or less ( which I think it will be) Trump will win.You read that here”

      Hope you are right.

      I find this argument at least as persuasive as Robbie’s doomsday scenario.

      – I’m quite certain there is some NY/CA distortion in the national polling. In 2016, Clinton won the national popular vote by 2,868,686 votes. However, Clinton won CA by a whopping 4,269,978 votes. So if you remove CA from the totals in 2016, Trump won the other 49 states 1,401,292 votes. That includes NY which Clinton won by 1,736,590 votes.

      Again, I think there’s some distortion in the national polling by NY/CA, but does it account for the other 7 or so points by which Trump trails nationally in the RCP average? That seems unlikely. It’s far more likely Trump’s deficit of 9.3 in the RCP average is driven by tighter margins for him in the red states. If he sheds a couple of points across the board in every state he won in 2016, that can easily account for the kinds of margins current polling indicates.

    242. dblaikie says:

      Enjoying all the stuff about WWI. One thing folks are forgetting is the dynamics with the Royal families. The Kaiser and the Czar were first cousins to King George. In fact the Dowager Empress of Russia was George’s Aunt. The Kaiser despised the late King Edward and was envious of the British Empire. During Edward’s lifetime Wilhelm tried to unite with Russia against England. The shooting of AD Ferdinand wreaked that. These family dynamics along with centuries long effort for Russia to have a warm water port was another factor in starting this horrific war.

    243. Tina says:

      Arkancide?

      Larry Schweikart
      @LarrySchweikart
      ·
      1h
      New book claims Clinton had affair with Epstein ‘pimp’ Ghislaine Maxwell https://thesun.co.uk/news/11723600/bill-clinton-affair-jeffrey-epstein-pimp-ghislaine-maxwell?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebarweb…
      And here . . . we . . . go!

    244. Tina says:

      #boycottnfl trending.

      They did it to themselves.

      I just won’t watch. I don’t do boycotts.

    245. Robbie says:

      Wes says:
      July 3, 2020 at 9:08 am
      Jason turns Germany in WWI into a James Bond villain trying to take over the world. WWI started because a Serbian national murdered the Archduke of Austria-Hungary. All of the nations aligned with each of those countries then became involved in the so-called Great War.

      To say Germany started the war is a sophomoric argument. Europe was a powder keg ignited by the actions of a single radical.

      – There is a great 2014 BBC docu-miniseries called ’37 Days’ that shows the leadup to WW1. In the end, the European powers stumbled into war.

    246. DW says:

      A wiki war over Kamala Harris’ page? That’s the tell. Cheney it was move of address to WY, Palin it was the flight from AK.

    247. Tina says:

      This network politicized a potential therapeutic. At the same time, Fredo took a dangerous version of this medicine, while dipping himself in Clorox Bleach,

      Cnn · 6h
      A surprising new study found that the controversial antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine helped Covid-19 patients better survive in the hospital.
      https://cnn.it/3ik1CSy

    248. Tina says:

      The trump campaign has made good changes here. Better focus the last few weeks and arrests of rioters, while standing up for the rule of law.. the rule of law abandoned by the Dumb GOP-e and Rinos.

      John Cardillo
      @johncardillo
      ·
      45m
      .
      @realDonaldTrump
      saw the campaign issues, made changes, and now has 2016 loyal winners on the field.

      Susie Wiles back in charge of FL

      Jeff DeWitt back as the campaign’s financial watchdog (much needed).

      Karen Giorno running Loomer campaign to flip Trump’s home district.

    249. dblaikie says:

      This HCQ news out of Michigan is going to turn into a wild fire. A 50% percent reduction in fatalities is far better than Resdisvir and is far cheaper. If this peer reviewed study from a great American Health System is borne out there are lots of people with the blood of thousands on their hands. I suspect that our friendly troll Robbie will avoid this.

    250. Tina says:

      You have to question dr. Fallacy.

      Why would he against the anti malaria drug and for The other drug.

      Another bad call.

      If trump is re elected, he needs to fire him

      It’s a performance issue here.

    251. Robbie says:

      dblaikie says:
      July 3, 2020 at 11:13 am
      This HCQ news out of Michigan is going to turn into a wild fire. A 50% percent reduction in fatalities is far better than Resdisvir and is far cheaper. If this peer reviewed study from a great American Health System is borne out there are lots of people with the blood of thousands on their hands. I suspect that our friendly troll Robbie will avoid this.

      – The only problem I had with this topic way back in early March was I didn’t think Trump should make claims about its effectiveness until studies showed whether it worked or not.
      I’m happy to see this news. Anything that saves lives is a great thing.

    252. Tina says:

      John Cardillo
      @johncardillo
      ·
      35m
      The MSM and Fauci worked overtime lying to us about HCQ just to damage Trump.

      They were willing to let people die to avoid Trump being right.

      Fauci should be fired today. Enough with this guy.

    253. Tina says:

      All because lying gubment docs (with a $ agenda) and scum drats.

      Dr. David Samadi
      @drdavidsamadi
      ·
      1h
      I want to ensure that everyone understands the gravity of the situation here.

      Hydroxychloroquine worked this whole time.

      The media said it would literally kill you if you took it simply because POTUS promoted it as a cure.

      Thousands of people likely DIED because of this.

    254. Tina says:

      All because John Xi Karl lied, saying it will kill you.

      Phuq you lying drats.

      Arthur Schwartz
      @ArthurSchwartz
      ·
      25m
      How many people lost their lives or suffered needlessly because the morons at NYT, WaPo, CNN & MSDNC wanted to say that President Trump was wrong?

      Study finds hydroxychloroquine helped coronavirus patients survive better

    255. Tina says:

      Can the jebots candidate, Joe Biden, release his cognitive tests?

      He states that he was tested and took multiple tests.

      Lol

    256. dblaikie says:

      Heck even Neal Cavuto went on a rampage that HCQ would kill you! I wonder if he will have the guts to address his rampage. Again the Henry Ford Health System is greatly respected. This adds great weight to this study.

    257. Hugh says:

      Here is my thought on Fauci. Let this story play out another week or so to make sure there is not another shoe to drop. I would then fire Fauci at that point and use this as an excuse. Two big pluses. Fauci is fired and it will be hard for the news to bury that in fact this drug worked all along further discrediting fauci. A double win.

    258. Hugh says:

      Cavuto Baier and others on fox have now been exposed as leftists. They are only slightly better than cnn.

    259. Tina says:

      I seem enough of Fallacy. Lots of terrible calls.

      Heck, he was even against the China Travel ban from January.

    260. Robbie says:

      Charles Gasparino
      @CGasparino
      Gasparino says White House hopeful for coronavirus vaccine ‘before the November elections’ https://fxn.ws/31JGJKG

      – This would be very good news.

    261. Chester says:

      Abbot better be reading this:

      Donald J. Trump
      3 hrs ·
      There is a rise in Coronavirus cases because our testing is so massive and so good, far bigger and better than any other country. This is great news, but even better news is that death, and the death rate, is DOWN. Also, younger people, who get better much easier and faster!

    262. Chester says:

      Texas GOP convention will be 100% maskless.
      Jason hardest hit.

      #MAGA2020

    263. Chester says:

      Fox went off the rails long ago. Their polls are just as fake as CNN polls.

      OANN is the place to go for real news. #KAG2020 #TRUMP-PENCE-2020

    264. Tina says:

      Nope, trump should deny the request.

      Theo Keith
      @TheoKeith
      · 19h
      Image
      Image
      NEWS: Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz has asked President Donald Trump for a federal disaster declaration to deal with damage from the late May rioting in Minneapolis and St. Paul.

    265. Sean says:

      I read often but don’t post too much, but I have to say something.

      Chester, I do take offense to your saying you won’t listen to Governor Abbott on the mask issue. I questioned some of the Democratic governors inflating of numbers, but when we have between 6000 and 8000 new cases a day and it’s been proven some of the spread happens among asymptomatic carriers, not dealing with the inconvenience of wearing a mask for a time is what is going to keep the rest of us from getting on with our lives. It also is making a statement “It’s not me. There is no chance I have the virus”. True, it’s probably not going to kill me, but it could kill someone like my father whose heart is functioning at 30 percent.

      Wear the dang mask, and quit trying to make a political statement.

      And hey – be creative. Get a MAGA or KAG mask.

    266. lisab says:

      who wrote:

      Trump’s almost certainly going to lose in November and I’m looking forward to it.

      and remember … your answer must be in the form of a question

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkdmOVejUlI&t=245s

    267. Sean says:

      Who is James Carville?

    268. Gordon Allen says:

      For WW2 buffs I highly recommend Adam Tooze’s book ” Wages of Destruction”. It is a comprehensive look at the interplay of politics and economics in Nazi Germany, during the entire period of 1933-1945. It puts many things in perspective as to why some decisions were made and the influences at work.The author does not rehash narratives previously repeated at nauseum,but has new evaluations. Among other things he does a pretty good takedown of Albert Speer,and the legend of the all knowing ” German generals”. Hint: both were overrated

    269. lisab says:

      Who is James Carville?
      —————————-

      no, i am sorry that is incorrect. and how much did you wager?

    270. Robbie says:

      lisab says:
      July 3, 2020 at 2:02 pm
      who wrote:

      Trump’s almost certainly going to lose in November and I’m looking forward to it.

      – I love that I’m living rent free inside your head. What a dull life you must have to spend a holiday weekend mining the comment section to find things I’ve written you don’t like.

    271. janz says:

      Just a realistic analysis of the efficacy of most masks. Most cloth masks are porous, filtering out anything from 20-100 microns. However, the coronavirus is .1 micron, meaning donning a cloth mask is like putting up chain link fencing to keep out, or in, mosquitoes. Consequently, some are calling masks as nothing more than an “anxiety“ filter.

      IMO, though, mask mandates, accompanied by monetary fines for not wearing one, has been a wonderful bureaucratic tool to implant collective fear and gain control over the masses.

    272. Marv says:

      Hey Hugh and lisab,

      I decided to postpone “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”.

      I went with Ian Kershaw’s one volume biography “Hitler” (a slightly abridged version of his two volume biography) and lisab’s suggestion of “The Bunker” by O’Donnell.

      Hugh, you should take look at Shirer’s “Berlin Diary” and “End of Berlin Diary”. Just finished both and they are excellent.

    273. Gordon Allen says:

      Sean.The core promise of the astronomical number of tests being conducted is to identify asymptomatic individuals and quarintine them from people like your dad. Serious, qualified sources like the New England Journal of Medicine have questioned the efficacy of masks generally except in some specific circumstances and environments.
      Wearing a mask when I’m out in the park walking the dogs is virtue signaling only. I could walk right past a Covd infected person,and vice versa, with no effect at all.
      Bluntly I don’t trust the government Fauci types, either as to their competence or intentions. If this HCQ testing results pan out some people should be hung be out to dry( literally).
      Wear a mask 24 hours a day if you want to; certainly in a sustained close environment; but otherwise I think it’s BS. And I’m not wearing it walking my dog ( although it’s not required here)

    274. Marv says:

      #276 Gordon,

      Thanks, I’ll take a look at it.

    275. Victrc says:

      I think to truly understand ww2 you have to begin with the entire period of 1860-1933. You have to understand the dynamics of unification, Franco – German tensions, the effect of the royal families and the dynamics of the treaties before ww1 to fully grasp the rise of ww2 Germany.

    276. Victrc says:

      Tests in Texas

      June 20 weekly average – 25,490

      Last 5 days

      54,000
      52,000
      50,000
      52,000
      60,000 (numbers rounded)

      That will get you more cases. Plain and simple

    277. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “@realDonaldTrump
      There is a rise in Coronavirus cases because our testing is so massive and so good, far bigger and better than any other country. This is great news, but even better news is that death, and the death rate, is DOWN. Also, younger people, who get better much easier and faster!”

      I agree with Trump, one of the major reasons you do more testing is discover those with CORVID-19 who are asymptomatic. Finding more cases is a sign of success. The statistics that matter are deaths and ICU/hospital admissions.

      Am not sure how effective masks are, but I do wear one if I am around people, particularly if they are high risk such as the elderly or people with medical conditions. Its a minor inconvenience for something that may be beneficial.

    278. Chester says:

      273

      Sorry Sean. No mask for me. You can become a victim of the Dem’s oppression by wearing the mask and becoming subservient. I on the other hand will enjoy and fight for my freedoms. Oh, and so will President Trump. So go on and be like the Dems. have a heck of a time too!

    279. CG says:

      Trump’s almost certainly going to lose in November and I’m looking forward to it.

    280. Chester says:

      284

      You nailed it. More tests means more cases. But where are all the deaths? Still in the Blue states. Hack of a job Blue state governors and mayors!

      Texas is fine. Keep it open. Abbot is not looking good.

    281. Gordon Allen says:

      San Diego Citizen, that’s what I meant about circumstances and environments. A little common sense goes a long way. As time passes more and more it appears like the virus has mutated,and is still contagious,but it’s punch is not as great. Fauci won’t tell you that without a gun to his head.

    282. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      I am tired of Fauci talking out of both sides of his mouth; typical government bureaucrat. I like Anders Tegnell in Sweden, who advocated a policy, and stuck with it despite being subject to blistering attacks from the foreign press:

      One day ago:
      “Anthony Fauci has warned that America’s coronavirus lockdown was lifted too soon, was never strict enough in the first place, and that young people are driving a second wave that has seen daily infections top 50,000.

      Dr Fauci, the White House’s top virus adviser, said the ‘very disturbing’ new rise in cases is being caused in part by the fact that the US never got its first wave under control – only locking down around 50 per cent of the country compared to 97 per cent as happened in most of Europe where daily infections are now very low.”

      June 19th
      The United States doesn’t need more widespread lockdowns to bring its COVID-19 outbreak under control, despite the fact that the national daily infection rate has stayed flat, leading government expert Anthony Fauci said Thursday.

      Speaking to AFP, the physician-scientist added he was optimistic the world would soon have a vaccine that would end the pandemic, calling early trial results “encouraging.”

      “I don’t think we’re going to be talking about going back to lockdown,” he said when asked whether places like California and Texas that are seeing a surge in their caseload should reissue stay-at-home orders.

      May 22nd
      “Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious-disease expert, said on Friday that extended lockdowns could cause “irreparable” harm and worse health outcomes.

      “We can’t stay locked down for such a considerable period of time that you might do irreparable damage and have unintended consequences, including consequences for health,” Fauci said in a CNBC interview.

      Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said the measures were necessary early on to curb the explosive spread of the coronavirus. But he supported states taking cautious steps to restore normality and lift stay-at-home orders.”

    283. Scooterboy says:

      Robbie- “ Trump’s almost certainly going to lose in November and I’m looking forward to it.”

      When did Robbie write this?

    284. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      289. I understand what your saying, and agree. In California urban areas I commonly wear a mask. In more rural or suburban areas of other western states I don’t. Very few people do wear masks in those areas, but there are very few cases. There a lot about this virus we don’t know.

      I do believe shutting people up in their homes with a total lockdown may have an adverse impact on their health, and actually make them more vulnerable to infection.

    285. jason says:

      Robbie- “ Trump’s almost certainly going to lose in November and I’m looking forward to it.”

      That’s what he wrote about Romney.

      The jebots take turns rooting for Democrats to win.

    286. jason says:

      I am tired of Fauci talking out of both sides of his mouth;”

      Zzzzz. not as tired as I am of the Fauci haters taking everything he says out of context.

      The fact is for the Fauci haters it doesn’t matter what he says, they will always oppose it, because remember he once praised Hillary.

      I was listening to Glen Beck today driving to the gun range.

      He said he believes in Fauci and thinks Trump does also, but that Fauci’s views have to be tempered with other considerations that Trump as President has to make.

      I think that describes the way I feel about Fauci too. I think his views are what he believes, not politics.

      Frankly I don’t see ANY conflict in the 2 quotes above. Fauci has always been clear that from a medical standpoint there are downsides to lockdowns too.

    287. Scooterboy says:

      Is Ghislaine Maxwell still alive? Just checking.

    288. Bitterlaw says:

      Dr. Fauci’s only job is to recommend how to minimize cases. His job is not to increase economic growth. Both can be true.

    289. Sean says:

      Gordon, I agree – when outside walking your dog – you can social distance. But if you’re in a grocery store with narrow aisles and checkout lanes are crowded – you have to walk between people to get to a checkout lane – or others have to walk by you – you should be wearing a mask if you live in an area in which COVID is spreading. Or if you don’t want to, get delivery or curbside pickup. I get that some of the increased numbers are due to more testing but when the guys on our side indicate you have 14% of tests coming back positive instead of 4%, and you’ve only increased tests by 50% over that time, the math just does not add up that it’s all due to more testing. No, I don’t wear one in my house – just when I am having to interact with someone else.

      No – wearing a mask is not being subservient. I guarantee if George W. Bush was president, he’d have worn one earlier on and this country would be well on its way back to normalcy. I think Trump has done very well with the economy, conservative justices, law and order, etc… even the manufacture and distribution of ventilators, but I’m getting frustrated with his insistence on not wearing a mask… But I understand the alternative would be awful. And to me, having to deal with the inconvenience of wearing one is far better than another shutdown.

    290. Hillary Rodham says:

      Is Ghislaine Maxwell still alive? Just checking.

    291. Chester says:

      George W also nominated Roberts and started a war by lying about WMDs. I’m sure he would have gladly worn a mark. More reason for me NOT TO!

    292. Tina says:

      Fallacy was wrong.

      Terrible calls.

      No plan.

      We need a fresh set of eyes in there. One who can communicate better on these matters.tina

    293. Tina says:

      People are just not listening to Fallacy.

      He has no credibility.

      His calls were and are sheot.

    294. TgcaTheEXPERT says:

      As an EXPERT in…well…everything actually, I will correct the record here on the WW1 debate. Jadon is correct that Germany started WW1. There is no denying that. It would be like denying the Japanese were not responsible for the American Revolution. Anyone that knows history knows the Japanese instigated Colonial America to rise up against the British.

    295. Chester says:

      Fauci is your classic Deep Stater. He needs to be fired. He’s the definition of SWAMP CREATURE.

      Trump needs to get rid of him. He’s a huge problem.

    296. lisab says:

      who wrote:

      Trump’s almost certainly going to lose in November and I’m looking forward to it.

      – I love that I’m living rent free inside your head. What a dull life you must have to spend a holiday weekend mining the comment section to find things I’ve written you don’t like.
      ——————————————–

      no i am sorry, but you must put your answer in the form of a question

    297. lisab says:

      Robbie- “ Trump’s almost certainly going to lose in November and I’m looking forward to it.”

      When did Robbie write this?
      —————————————-

      sorry, the question we were looking for was:

      “who is amoral scumbag?”

      judges? what say you?

      (and the answer is what is march?)

    298. jason says:

      Trump’s almost certainly going to lose in November and I’m looking forward to it.”

      So there are two options for Corey.

      1) He wants the America we will get if Biden and the Dems win, in which case he is a moron.

      2) He doesn’t want the America we will get if Biden and the Dems win, but he will accept if because it is bad for Trump, in which case he is a moron.

    299. jason says:

      Is Ghislaine Maxwell still alive? Just checking.”

      Who?

    300. Hillary Rodham says:

      Is Ghislaine Maxwell still alive? Just checking.”

    301. lisab says:

      So there are two options for Corey.
      ———————————–

      actually sorry, it was robbie

    302. lisab says:

      actually sorry, it was robbie
      ————————————-

      but i think

      “He wants the America we will get if Biden and the Dems win”

      is correct

    303. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      I will just add on masks that in California as a matter of routine I put on a mask in the morning. I have one on now. If I am going around people then will raise the mask over my lower face. There are a lot of elderly people in my neighborhood, and I don’t mind the inconvenience to help protect them. When traveling in Western states, I usually don’t wear a mask — but have one handy so can put it on if approaching elderly or someone health impaired. I agreed with much of what Pitch said regarding masks in posts from several days ago.

    304. Tina says:

      Breaking911
      @Breaking911
      “I’m Joe Biden’s husband. Joe Biden.” – Joe Biden.

      https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1279168016966656001

    305. Robbie says:

      Scooterboy says:
      July 3, 2020 at 4:14 pm
      Robbie- “ Trump’s almost certainly going to lose in November and I’m looking forward to it.”

      When did Robbie write this?

      – Probably in January. lisab doesn’t like to provide dates. She just likes to spend her time looking for things I’ve written months and even years ago and allow the impression to be that I said them recently.

      If Trump loses, I won’t miss Trump the person. Sorry, but that’s how I feel about him. I think he’s erratic and wildly undisciplined and I think that’s why he trails in the polls by about 8-10 points. He’s always been his own worst enemy and it appears to have finally caught up with him.

      On the flip side, if Trump loses, I will be very depressed and worried about what havoc Biden will unleash on the country.

    306. Tina says:

      I will be very happy when Biden wins.

      I was with her and now I am with him.

      -jebots

    307. Tina says:

      What a loon.

      Tom Elliott
      @tomselliott
      · 1h
      CNN: “President Trump will be at Mount Rushmore, where he’ll be standing in front of a monument of two slave owners and on land wrestled away from Native Americans.”

    308. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 3, 2020 at 5:21 pm
      Trump’s almost certainly going to lose in November and I’m looking forward to it.”

      So there are two options for Corey.

      1) He wants the America we will get if Biden and the Dems win, in which case he is a moron.

      2) He doesn’t want the America we will get if Biden and the Dems win, but he will accept if because it is bad for Trump, in which case he is a moron.

      – There’s, of course, a third option that no one wants to discuss because it’s totally unlikely. Trump could, at some point in the next seven weeks (before the convention), realize there’s little chance for him to win. No incumbent has ever come back from this far down with just four months to go so he could decide to stand aside for a Pence/Haley or a Pence/Rice ticket.

      It would save Trump from what increasingly looks like a large defeat not seen in a couple of decades. Instead of being, potentially, humiliated and labeled as another Hoover, Carter, or GHWB, he would always be the guy who won the upset of upsets in 2016.

      So, let me be clear, before Jason goes crazy, of course, this isn’t going to happen, I’m not advocating for it to happen, and I know it won’t happen. So don’t get you shorts tangled up in a fit of rage.

    309. Tina says:

      Muh brokered convention 2.0

      Rinse and repeat.

      Lol

    310. lisa says:

      No incumbent has ever come back from this far down with just four months to go so he could decide to stand aside for a Pence/Haley or a Pence/Rice ticket.
      ————————————

      ok, who had robbie suggesting trump being replaced as the nominee in July?

    311. lisab says:

      this isn’t going to happen,

      I’m not advocating for it to happen,

      and I know it won’t happen.
      —————————————-

      but still felt the need to bring it up

    312. lisab says:

      if Trump loses, I will be very depressed

      vs.

      Trump’s almost certainly going to lose in November and I’m looking forward to it.”

    313. Kellyanne says:

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    314. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Are we going to get a repeat of concerned troll’s almost daily posting of “Trump is doomed” every day until election night in November, like we did in 2016? Followed by the illustrious Lord Ashcroft telling us it will be an easy Biden win? Is there a repeat button we can turn off?

      Then again, the epic troll meltdown on election night 2016 has become legendary. For anyone new to the board, go into the HR archives and read the 2016 election night thread — great entertainment.

    315. lisab says:

      Are we going to get a repeat of concerned troll’s almost daily posting of “Trump is doomed” every day until election night in November
      ——————————-

      yes … they are concerned, very concerned …

      hard choices will have to be made

    316. George says:

      100% reporting

      2020 New Hampshire Democrat Primary
      Bernie Sanders
      25.7% 76,324

      Pete Buttigieg
      24.4% 72,457

      Amy Klobuchar
      19.8% 58,796

      Elizabeth Warren
      9.2% 27,387

      Joe Biden
      8.4% 24,921

      The guy who finished a distant 5th is going to be the next president? Yeah, right.

    317. Robbie says:

      lisa says:
      July 3, 2020 at 6:24 pm
      No incumbent has ever come back from this far down with just four months to go so he could decide to stand aside for a Pence/Haley or a Pence/Rice ticket.
      ————————————

      ok, who had robbie suggesting trump being replaced as the nominee in July?

      – Are you going to read everything I wrote or just selectively edit as you like to do?

      I wrote, “So, let me be clear, before Jason goes crazy, of course, this isn’t going to happen, I’m not advocating for it to happen, and I know it won’t happen. So don’t get you shorts tangled up in a fit of rage.”

      Funny how you ignored that.

    318. lisab says:

      ok, who had robbie suggesting trump being replaced as the nominee in July?
      ————————————–

      i was just asking who won the pool?

      i had June 15th

    319. Robbie says:

      SanDiegoCitizen says:
      July 3, 2020 at 6:50 pm
      Are we going to get a repeat of concerned troll’s almost daily posting of “Trump is doomed” every day until election night in November, like we did in 2016?

      – Not every day, but, then again, we won’t get poll unskewing here every day or quoting Rasmussen here every day either.

      But just to be clear for you, I think Trump is very unlikely to win at this point. Id din’t in April or May, but I do now. No incumbent has trailed by this much with just four months to go and come back to win. An 8-10 point deficit in this environment will be hard to make up without a far better effort from Trump, far more discipline from Trump, and probably a positive external event like a vaccine approval.

      I do, however, still give Trump a small chance of winning because I believe he will likely get at least 45% of the national vote. If he gets 45% of the national vote, then adding just three percentage points get him to 48% and I suspect that would bring him into an effective electoral college tie. If he ever found a way to get 49% of the national vote, I think he wins with a few states to spare.

    320. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 3, 2020 at 6:24 pm
      Muh brokered convention 2.0

      Rinse and repeat.

      – Nope. Not advocating for it at all. Trump’s the nominee and Republicans in the Senate and House will have to find a way to navigate this race with him as the party standard bearer.

    321. Robbie says:

      lisab says:
      July 3, 2020 at 6:28 pm
      if Trump loses, I will be very depressed

      vs.

      Trump’s almost certainly going to lose in November and I’m looking forward to it

      – It seems you have a hard time distinguishing the difference between how I feel about Trump as a person and how I feel about policy. Again, if Trump loses, I won’t miss Trump the person. Also, if Trump loses, I will hate the policies Biden inflicts on the country. See the difference? Probably not, but that’s your issue. Not mine.

    322. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      327. Fair enough. Will see how it turns out.

    323. Tina says:

      Paging Fallacy

      James Todaro, MD
      @JamesTodaroMD
      ·
      4h
      Three big studies this past week in support of HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE:

      HCQ/AZ/Zn, 99.3% outpatient survival rate (Zelenko): https://preprints.org/manuscript/202007.0025/v1…

      HCQ reduces mortality by >50% (Henry Ford): https://ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext…

      HCQ+AZ w/ 0.5% mortality rate (Raoult) : https://sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920302817

    324. jason says:

      So Robbie says there is a third option that is not going to happen?

      LOL

      Well, in that case there are 24987 other options that will not happen either.

    325. jason says:

      I do, however, still give Trump a small chance of winning”

      Hmmm.. last time he had NO chance of winning.

      I smell a landslide….

    326. Tina says:

      Jason, willl you do your numbers!? I think you did not do it yesterday. Thanks,

    327. jason says:

      of course, this isn’t going to happen, I’m not advocating for it to happen, and I know it won’t happen.”

      So it is really not a third option, is it. So let’s go back to reality.

      As I was saying before we digressed into what isn’t going to happen, you aren’t advocating for it to happen and you know it won’t happen.

      So there are two options for Corey.

      1) He wants the America we will get if Biden and the Dems win, in which case he is a moron.

      2) He doesn’t want the America we will get if Biden and the Dems win, but he will accept if because it is bad for Trump, in which case he is a moron.

    328. Tina says:

      We also need a Biden translation, Jason.

    329. PresidentPaul! says:

      House is preparing a slave reparations bill.

    330. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Governor Newsom closed the beaches, restaurants, bars and other places people gather in Los Angeles. Today there is a massive BLM demonstraton in Los Angelese; no social distancing, but most appear to have masks on. This has all become something of a joke.

    331. jason says:

      June 24 deaths 819
      June 24 cases 38483

      June 25 deaths 653
      June 25 cases 40223

      June 26 deaths 663
      June 26 cases 47362

      July 1 deaths 676
      July 1 cases 51095

      July 2 deaths 687
      July 2 cases 57232

      July 3 deaths 616
      July 3 cases 54904

      IHME (lowered projections from 179k to 175k on 6/29
      Projected Actual
      July 1 640 676 +26
      July 2 642 687 +45
      July 3 644 616 -28

    332. Robbie says:

      For some reason, Los Angeles County did not report any cases today. That county has been producing about 2,000 cases recently so expect a rather large number from California as they account for what wasn’t reported today.

    333. Tina says:

      Well the Cn and n reporter said that California “reopened” too soon,

      Most counties did not allow inside dining. Others just started. They were mostly still in phase 2; some counties went to phase 3.

      Whitler, venthoarder, no slime, and the other axis powers had the tightest restrictions and most deaths/caseschospitlizations.

    334. Tina says:

      Phil they indicate that Hidalgo county is experience a lot of cases and deaths due to illegals crossing over.

      This was a report from Cn and n.

    335. Phil says:

      Tina, Hidalgo County has always been a definite hot spot for illegal crossings. Couple that with the explosion of cases and deaths in Mexico and Hidalgo County was always going to be a problem.

    336. Tina says:

      What was the day over day increase in testing?

      Nobody in the world is matching us and the tests appear to be highly accurate, when compared to the sheot from China,

    337. Tina says:

      It’s too bad. Conflates the number of American vs illegals we are treating.

      And trump needs to lock the border down to prevent outbreaks here.

    338. Phil says:

      I took a look at the Hidalgo County site, Tina. They list cases by name and age, Almost all the death cases Hispanic names, but then that’s obviously the dominant demographic in all the border counties. How many were illegals it’s impossible to say but it doesn’t matter. Illegal crossings are spreading the virus among the locals.

      As far as tests today the last time I looked it was a bit over 750,000.

    339. Phil says:

      I should have said they list the DEATH cases by name. Those that simply test positive just include the ages, no names.

    340. Tina says:

      Phil, no doubt, it’s a big upgrade to get treated here vs there.

    341. jason says:

      It seems you have a hard time distinguishing the difference between how I feel about Trump as a person and how I feel about policy. Again, if Trump loses, I won’t miss Trump the person.”

      My God, what a bunch of drivel and garbage.

      Who here likes Trump as a person? Chester?

      What about human scum little girl sniffer Joe Biden? Anyone like him as a person? Bill Clinton?

      Presidents come and go, their policies stay.

      I liked Ronald Reagan and GWB as persons.

      Talking about Trump as a “person” at this point is completely asinine.

    342. jason says:

      Trump’s the nominee and Republicans in the Senate and House will have to find a way to navigate this race with him as the party standard bearer.”

      Not much navigation needed.

      The party should unite against what the Democrats are proposing.

      Any R that thinks they don’t need Trump to win are morons. They might not win with him, but they certainly won’t win without him.

      Every R running is going to need the 95% of Rs that support Trump. Any R who thinks they are going to get elected catering to the Lincoln Project deserve to lose out of stupidity.

      Trump is the only game in town, like it or not.

    343. Victrc says:

      759,000 tests today

      2,402,000 tests last three days

      4,900,000 Approx. this week

      Muh tests

      Let’s talk about how bad Trump is

    344. Scooterboy says:

      Robbie- “ Trump’s almost certainly going to lose in November and I’m looking forward to it.”

      Anyone here still believing Robbie’s “undecided voter” BS?

    345. VictrC says:

      Phil

      About 110,000 more tests today than yesterday

    346. the Godfather says:

      President: general election
      Fla.
      Jun 29-Jul 2, 2020
      1,072 LV
      Trafalgar Group
      Biden
      46%
      Trump
      46%

    347. John says:

      351
      Heard of a story in 1972 whereas a jogger happened to cross onto the protective ‘western White House’ in San Clementine, California on a Sunday only to be surrounded by secret service….only to be met by Richard Nixon in robe walking down towards the beach….the jogger said Nixon was the nicest man he’d ever….invited him for breakfast…wanted to hear his stories….a him for his opinions….asked him for a lift back to where he came….jogger was absolutely flabbergasted at the treatment….
      On the other hand….heard of a story of a Marine Corp honorguard at duty for President Carter during either a Thanksgiving or Christmas time and Carter just ignored him or told this Marine to stand at attention or pick something up all by themselves…a real prick Carter was. Carter was a real prick to some in the uniform…but I’ve heard that Reagan was given to conversations with military on duty during holidays to asking them about their families and such.
      1972 a jogger was jogging on the beach somewhere near the ‘western White House’ in San Clementine in Southern California

    348. Bitterlaw says:

      While I understand Jason’s point, the fact that I hate Trump as a person AND a significant number of his policies makes it difficult for me. If it was not a choice between him and Hillary in 2016, I might have sat out like Jason did.

      There are no redeeming qualities of Trump as a person.

    349. Skippy says:

      The American Left will blow this election.

      The most radical parts of the Left have become unhinged.

      You can just feel the winds in this election changing direction.

    350. Tina says:

      Trump may have just delivered his greatest speech as President.

    351. Victrc says:

      What makes you say that Tina

    352. Tina says:

      Victrc, I liked it. Not sure if you watched. He was on point.

    353. lisab says:

      There are no redeeming qualities of Trump as a person.
      ——————–

      he is pretty tall

    354. PresidentPaul! says:

      Bill Kristol and #racistRickWilson’s Lincoln project sets a new goal of defeating senate republicans and hopefully getting a speaker Chuck Schumer.

      WTF is wrong with these people!

      https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article243939577.html

      Not every Republican Trump critic agrees with the unsparing approach, contending that many of the GOP senators most vulnerable in 2020 are the sort of lawmakers who least embody Trump’s worldview.
      But the Lincoln Project has nonetheless placed six-figure ad buys against Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell in Kentucky, as well as Sens. Joni Ernst in Iowa, Thom Tillis in North Carolina and Martha McSally in Arizona, as Republicans try to hold onto their narrow three-seat majority.

    355. hugh says:

      352. Jason you are exactly right. If the party splinters we will get crushed in the house and senate. Unlike other presidents if they think they can go their own way forget it. Trump will punish them. He understands what democratic leadership has always understood you make your members tow the line no matter what. How else can you have all their splinter groups keep together? How does illegal immigration help black people? I could go on and on. The one thing trump has done is taught the republicans that you fight or you die.

    356. hugh says:

      364. This is all about earning a living. They could no longer pedal their views to republicans, so they either had to send their kids to public school or get rich posing as republicans on leftwing media and making millions. It was an easy economic decision. It is that simple. They never cared about anything but making money. in the end, that is many people sadly.

    357. Gordon Allen says:

      I thought it was a very good speech ; about time someone called out ” far left fascism”. I know some here will wail” harsh”. It was true,and needed to be said.Exactly like that.!

    358. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      A new Trafalgar Poll of Florida shows the Presidential race dead even at 47%.
      Happy 244th Birthday USA!!!

    359. Gordon Allen says:

      At the Presidential level Florida is a 2% state. Any poll,(even an outlier showing Trump ahead by 6-although ” outliers never go that way strangely)showing anyone up 5 or more is rubbish. I believe the GOP turnout machine is enough to overcome the standard Broward and Palm Beach County 40,000 cheat number.Trump won by 1.2% and Obama by .07%.

    360. Scooterboy says:

      Adam Schiff – “We may all be moving to Canada soon”.

      It appears Schiff might not be too confident in Biden’s chances.

    361. Scooterboy says:

      371. I agree

    362. Hugh. I agree he’s got a winning message,to which Biden doesn’t have an easy response. He can’t agree with Trump or his culture war base will be furious. But can he win by saying effectively America was corrupt from the beginning?

    363. Phil says:

      Big if but I agree he has a real shot if he can do it. Again, Kellyanne or someone has to impress upon him how important it is. Speaking of Kellyanne, is her husband a POS or what? Way to constantly undermine your wife in public. I don’t get it myself.

    364. Tina says:

      That an the economic recovery.

      Almost 8 million jobs added the last 2 months.

    365. Tina says:

      What a marriage those two have.

      She has asked her husband not to tweet nasty things about the president.

      If he respected her, he would do it. Keep his personal thoughts behind close doors.

      A vile, disrepectful POS.

    366. Tina says:

      It has not been a good two weeks for the jebots.

      Biden has the lacklastuster in Lancaster appearance, where trump supporters outnumbered Biden supporters.

      And then yesterday’s debacle:

      “ I AM JOE BIDENS HUSBAND, JOE BIDEN.”

    367. Tina says:

      And no surprise, a Biden handler admitted that he has not taken any cognitive tests despite his claims that he “ took multiple such tests.”

    368. John says:

      Here’s the link to the new Trafalgar Florida poll
      Trump 45.94%
      Biden 45.90%

      https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/fl-pres-0720/

    369. Tgca says:

      Hola papis!

      Feliz Julio de Cuatro pootahs!

    370. Robbie says:

      Scooterboy says:
      July 3, 2020 at 10:59 pm
      Robbie- “ Trump’s almost certainly going to lose in November and I’m looking forward to it.”

      Anyone here still believing Robbie’s “undecided voter” BS?

      – Crazy thought. How I viewed Trump in early January and how I viewed Trump in April and May weren’t the same.

      Like I said, my decision is to either not vote in the presidential race or vote for Trump. I go back and forth on the issue daily and sometimes hourly.

    371. John says:

      Question.
      If Trump is ever so slightly leading in Florida (Trafalgar Group) leads by +4 in both Arizona (Gravis) and Texas (Gravis) leads in Michigan by +2 (Trafalgar Group) and leads by +1 in Wisconsin (Trafalgar Group) how does trail Joe Biden by double digits in some polls?

    372. jason says:

      There are no redeeming qualities of Trump as a person.”

      So what? Does Biden have any redeeming qualities as a person?

      And of course, that is wrong. Trump has a nice family, seems to be a good father, his kids seem devoted to him which is no easy feat these days.

      Btw, I have said the same about Obama, who I also think has few redeeming values as a person.

    373. jason says:

      I go back and forth on the issue daily and sometimes hourly.”

      You shouldn’t even be voting at all if you are that much of a moron.

      Why don’t you self-purge yourself from the voting rolls and set a shining example.

    374. jason says:

      “ I AM JOE BIDENS HUSBAND, JOE BIDEN.”

      Anybody who criticizes this is a homophobe.

    375. Tina says:

      I go back and forth wishing that Hillary would run.

      -JEBOT

    376. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 4, 2020 at 11:25 am
      I go back and forth on the issue daily and sometimes hourly.”

      You shouldn’t even be voting at all if you are that much of a moron.

      Why don’t you self-purge yourself from the voting rolls and set a shining example.

      – The easiest way to know Trump’s not doing well is to watch how quick Jason is to attack those who don’t agree with him. He’s already run pitchaboy off with one of his “no free lunch” comments even though pitch was right.

    377. Scooterboy says:

      384. Jason- “ Why don’t you self-purge yourself from the voting rolls and set a shining example.”

      That wins the comment of the day award.

    378. Tina says:

      Paging Quittens and the Rinos that took a knee for BLM. Republicans, in general, went wobbly and shat themselves.

      Cyclops
      @ScottTBrower1
      · 12h
      “It is time for our politicians to summon the bravery & determination of our ancestors.” — POTUS @ Rushmore

    379. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 4, 2020 at 11:32 am
      I go back and forth wishing that Hillary would run.

      -JEBOT

      – Reminds me of you spending late 2015 and all of the 2016 primary saying you were for Kasich. It didn’t seem possible since you spoke so favorably about everything Trump did and rarely spoke favorably about anything Kasich did, but you still supported Kasich in the primary.

    380. janz says:

      Bitter, what Trump policies do you disagree with or not like?

      Re Fauci: Dr. David Samadi, who posts lots of interesting and viable COVID-19 info, describes himself as the “antidote to Dr. Fauci.

      Re masks: N95 masks are meant for contaminated environments and filter incoming air but not exhalations. Surgical masks are meant for sterile environments, filtering exhaled breath, but not inhaled air. Cloth masks, bandannas, etc. are worthless in filtering viruses.

    381. Robbie says:

      Scooterboy says:
      July 4, 2020 at 11:39 am
      384. Jason- “ Why don’t you self-purge yourself from the voting rolls and set a shining example.”

      That wins the comment of the day award.

      – I’ll need to unskew this comment before I’m ready to give it any award.

    382. Tina says:

      The whole mask thing is weird, janz.

      It’s about control and lacks sufficient scientific evidence.

      Republicans need to continue suing the sheot out of Nuissance, prickzer, venthoarder, wobbly Rs, and others.

    383. Tina says:

      These same health officials were silent during the riots.

      Fallacy went mute.

      Every time he speaks or the Fed Chairman, markets fall.

      Fallacy should have been shelved and fired when trump wins.

    384. Tina says:

      Even the Az Governor went wobbly,

      Why are casinos open but not gyms?

      What is the scientific evidence behind that?

      Is is some 300 lb Antifa type shaming you, Ducey?

    385. Tina says:

      Information that certain hospitals in states are stressed does not appear to be accurate.

      Chart from el gato mall here:

      https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1279424460731236352

    386. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 4, 2020 at 11:45 am

      Why are casinos open but not gyms?

      – Taxes.

    387. Tina says:

      And this is another good chart showing How muh cases mirrored muh deaths at the start of the disease vs now. Notice how

      https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1279126300918083584

    388. Tina says:

      Notice how the graphs are not moving the “ same way” as they did in the early months.

      I

    389. Scooterboy says:

      The “undecided voter scammer “ got butt hurt. Poor fella.

    390. Robbie says:

      Scooterboy says:
      July 4, 2020 at 12:46 pm
      The “undecided voter scammer “ got butt hurt. Poor fella.

      – Meh. The butthurt you’ll feel if you continue to unskew polls won’t allow you to sit down for months.

    391. Scooterboy says:

      Honestly Robbie, I no longer take anything you say seriously. I’m on to your scam. I think most of the others who post here are on to your scam too. You try very hard to hide your true identity, but your posts here have proven who you really are. Only the gullible few believe you.

    392. Scooterboy says:

      M. Joseph Sheppard- “ Votes Not Polls; 7 GOP Landslide Wins during Coronavirus/Rioting as NY27 finalized Despite artificially enlarged Biden lead/lowered Trump approval by Dem leanpollsters (average lean over norm is over 7.62%)
      GOP base turned out gave remarkable victories