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    Incumbent GOP US Senators Trail in ME and IA

    Earlier today we received a new poll from Public Policy Polling for the state of Maine that has Susan Collins trailing Democrat Sara Gideon by 4%.

    PRESIDENT – MAINE (PPP)
    Joe Biden (D) 53%
    Donald Trump (R-inc) 42%

    US SENATE – MAINE (PPP)
    Sara Gideon (D) 46%
    Susan Collins (R-inc) 42%

    This poll was done July 2-3 among 1022 registered voters. In Pennsylvania, The Trafalgar Group has Joe Biden up by 5% over Donald Trump in a new poll today.

    PRESIDENT – PENNSYLVANIA (Trafalgar)
    Joe Biden (D) 48%
    Donald Trump (R-inc) 43%

    This poll was done June 29-July 2 among 1062 likely voters. And finally for the moment, a new poll by GQR Research in the state of Iowa has another Republican US Senator trailing her Democratic opponent.

    US SENATE – IOWA (GQR)
    Theresa Greenfield (D) 49%
    Joni Ernst (R-inc) 47%

    This poll was done June 23-28 among 800 likely voters.

    Posted by Dave at 3:14 pm
    Filed under: General | Comments (840)

    840 Responses to “Incumbent GOP US Senators Trail in ME and IA”

    1. DBLAIKE says:

      First

      Well another day where the fatalities are going to be down. I wonder how long the excuse that fatalities are a lagging indicator are going to last? They have been bellowing about a spike in cases for weeks? If the story ever changes from cases to low fatalities the worst fatality will be the Biden Campaign.

      I like the poll out of PA at this stage. When you factor in the 2 points for people not revealing they support him, and the huge gap in enthusiasm, I think that Trump is in good shape if the poll is accurate and within the margin of error.

      In this post of musings I wonder how long the press is going to suppress the HCQ news out of Henry Ford Health? The blood of thousands are on someone’s hands — you know who. Let just put this to rest HQC coupled with zinc can be very helpful with the onset of Covid Symptoms. Not to let people use it, under a physicians care, is criminal.

      I see that Harvard is not going to open this year. What a mistake that is for a couple of reasons. Who wants to 50000 thousand dollars for zoom lessons? But more than that if this is a trend it will effect the youth vote. Colleges and Universities are the main engine of turning out the youth vote. If many are closed that engine will not be very effective.

    2. Big Joe says:

      Tesla up another $170. LOL and WTF is all I can think to say. 😀 😀 😀 $ $ $

      BJ

    3. Phil says:

      Well I see Robbie’s principled conservative Never Trumpers at the Lincoln Project have decided to add Susan Collins to the list of six figure attack ad targets……sources say John Cornyn also expected to be added to the present list of McConnell, Earnst, Tillis, and McSally. Garner a sure bet to make their little list as well.

      All of the above voted against removing Trump from office so they must go. What’s Kristol’s motto? Oh yeah – we’re all Democrats now.

    4. Country Dick Montana says:

      If the Dems run the Trifecta there will be no GOP, principled or otherwise.

      I took a break from online for the Julty 4th weekend. Got tired of all the downer news and negativity. Got to thinking was this going to be our last truly “Independence Day.”

    5. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 6, 2020 at 4:07 pm
      Well I see Robbie’s principled conservative Never Trumpers at the Lincoln Project have decided to add Susan Collins to the list of six figure attack ad targets……sources say John Cornyn also expected to be added to the present list of McConnell, Earnst, Tillis, and McSally. Garner a sure bet to make their little list as well.

      – Come on, Phil. Don’t lump me in with those grifting charlatans. I don’t support a lick of what they’re doing.

    6. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      The Iowa poll was done by Ernst political opponents. Here is their press release, it reads like a political campaign mailer:

      https://endcitizensunited.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/ECU-IA-Senate-Memo.pdf

    7. Phil says:

      Well, Robbie, I’m gad to hear that.

    8. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Drinking the Kool-Aid of politically slanted polling can lead to an awful hangover. Lets not forget the Young Turk election night meltdown when they learned that Hillary Clinton was not going to win, despite predictions she had over a 90% change of winning.

      One of the most entertaining election videos ever:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiWY0iRLV94&t=894s

    9. Bitterlaw says:

      I am torn on the EC decision. I disagree with the Democrats re ent efforts to F things up with calls on states to make electors vote for the popular vote winner (Dems). However, the EC was established to allegedly keep those pesky, uneducated, unwashed voters from screwing up the country. Since it was a unanimous decision, SCOTUS probably got it right. However, let’s see how HHR howls if the 2020 election finishes in a 269-269 tie on Election night but 1 elector from a blue state says “
      No way am I voting for Creepy Joe. I want to vote for Trump.”

      While this is extremely unlikely, what rules apply anymore? 4 months ago would anybody have said it was likely the economy would crash and we would be wearing masks over a virus.

    10. lisab says:

      in a 269-269 tie, the republicans would win under the current rules

    11. Robbie says:

      It appears Jon Huntsman has lost his bid to become the Republican nominee for governor in Utah. Does anyone know what the polling in the leadup to the primary election suggested? Was he the favorite, or was it always considered a close race with the Lt. Governor?

    12. Big Joe says:

      The EC decision is something I want to dig into. The people were never really meant to have a voice in electing the president. The founders created a Republic, not a Democracy. They also wanted to prevent “tyranny of the majority.” And one way to do that was to have Electors elect the president, not the people. After all, the educated Electors can be counted on to elect a competent president, the people could vote for any charlatan.

      Over the years, the people have become involved as states tied the selection of its Electors to the popular vote in that state. But a vote is not required per the Constitution. There is nothing stopping a state from cancelling its election and choosing its slate of Electors using it’s own state laws.

      This is one of my favorite topics. It’s also a something that can lead to a doomsday scenario: one where Candidate A “wins” the electoral college vote, but then a few Electors switch their vote and elect Candidate B.

      I don’t know that today’s decision does anything to prevent that doomsday scenario.

      BJ

    13. Big Joe says:

      “in a 269-269 tie, the republicans would win under the current rules”

      Unless one elector changes his/her vote.

      BJ

    14. Tgca says:

      My lucky day!

      13 Bebe! 13!

    15. Tgca says:

      …or not.

      &$#* BJ

    16. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      9. However, let’s see how HHR howls if the 2020 election finishes in a 269-269 tie on Election night but 1 elector from a blue state says “No way am I voting for Creepy Joe. I want to vote for Trump.”

      I agree with the Supreme Court decision. The elector is required to vote for the candidate who the state’s voters supported. Can you imagine the civil breakdown that would result if a stunt like that was allowed to stand, and determined an election?

    17. Robbie says:

      SanDiegoCitizen says:
      July 6, 2020 at 5:30 pm
      I agree with the Supreme Court decision. The elector is required to vote for the candidate who the state’s voters supported. Can you imagine the civil breakdown that would result if a stunt like that was allowed to stand, and determined an election?

      – I thought the decision was states can choose to punish electors if they don’t vote for the candidate the voters chose? Is that not correct?

    18. Big Joe says:

      #13-
      Sorry TEEJ. To make it up to you, I’m willing to discuss ABORTI.. naw just kidding. 😀

      BJ

    19. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      11. “It appears Jon Huntsman has lost his bid to become the Republican nominee for governor in Utah.”

      The polls were close, but mostly Cox had a small lead. One question was how many Democrats registered as Republicans to support Huntsman in this election.

      As it turned out Cox heavily carried Utah County and the suburbs. Huntsman carried Salt Lake County; and Hughes carried a lot of rural counties.

      I was a strong Cox supporter; he is young and dynamic. Present Governor Herbert supported Cox, which gave him a boost.

    20. Big Joe says:

      A quick skim of the decision makes it appear that states have the legal authority to punish electors who don’t vote for the winning candidate per that state’s laws.

      However, if an Elector casts that illegal vote … does the Elector’s vote stand? I know some states can replace an Elector, but I’m not sure if that’s the case in all states.

      Also, if the illegal vote stands, then what’s stopping the rogue Elector to cast that rogue vote and then gladly take one for the team? Or even worse, if the state “punishes” that rogue elector with a slip on the wrist. For example, if Biden wins my home state of GA but the GA electors vote for Trump, will the GA state govt (all GOP) really punish that rogue elector? Doubtful. Same deal if Trump wins a Dem dominated state like PA or MI.

      BJ

      BJ

    21. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      17. The specific question before the Supreme Court was whether a state could punish an elector, but the decision was broader in scope. I think it will lead to state laws requiring the elector vote for the candidate who won the state:

      “Today, we consider whether a State may also penalize an elector for breaking his pledge and voting for someone other than the presidential candidate who won his State’s popular vote. We hold that a State may do so,” Justice Elena Kagan wrote.
      “The Constitution’s text and the Nation’s history both support allowing a State to enforce an elector’s pledge to support his party’s nominee — and the state voters’ choice — for President,”

    22. Tina says:

      Big Joe,

      Market appears undervalued?

      Cannot ignore the economic data and the v shaped rocket recovery.

    23. Tina says:

      Phil,

      You have to love the Confederate Cooler and Cheeseburger project.

      Looks like they are funneling money to their ad guy too.

      Can somebody look into it?

    24. Phil says:

      Someone needs to, Tina. All kinds of red flags so far. Complete scam if you ask me,

    25. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      A state can pass a law requiring the elector to vote for the candidate who won the state; and require an oath and impose strong criminal penalties if the elector does not. Since they can replace an elector, it could be written into law that the elector’s faithless vote is void, an alternative will immediately take the elector’s place.

      Doubt all this will be necessary, as the Supreme Court decision makes it clear a state has the ability require the elector to vote in accordance with state law. In the past, faithless electors believe they were exercising a constitutional right to vote independently.

    26. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 6, 2020 at 6:02 pm
      Someone needs to, Tina. All kinds of red flags so far. Complete scam if you ask me,

      – Unfortunately, scam pacs are not illegal. They’re an unfortunate outgrowth of Citizens United and we got our first glimpse of them following the Tea Party win of 2010.

      Some Republican groups have tried to push out oppo research on the Lincoln Project grifters, but the press isn’t interested. Right now, the Lincoln Project goons are “useful idiots”. As soon as the election is over, you can bet the Lincoln Project is disbanded.

      I have to be honest. While I approve of unlimited money in politics, we probably had a better system before McCain/Feingold. The hard money/soft money split seemed a bit more workable and it gave the party more power to deal with looney tune candidates. But, there’s no going back now.

    27. Phil says:

      The big question the Supreme Court is going to have to deal with at some point is the interstate compact requiring states that join to cast their votes for the national popular vote winner.

      It is an obvious backdoor effort to circumvent the electoral college as provided for in the Constitution. I don’t think it would pass Supreme Court muster unless the Democrats succeed in abolishing the senate filibuster and then use their simple majority to vote to expand the number of Supreme Court Justices to eleven or more.

      Would the Democrats dare vote to pack the Supreme Court? LOL. You are a fool if you think for one minute they’d hesitate if they had a majority in the Senate and did away with the filibuster. You could expect them to pack the Senate with two more DC Democratic senators as well.

      …..but the Lincoln Project is a group of principled conservatives…..principled conservatives who want the Senate deep blue.

    28. Tina says:

      Will the presstitutes report this?

      Todd Lowdon
      @tlowdon
      ·
      34m
      C19 deaths continue to fall. States reported 242 US deaths today. Mondays are typically low given weekend reporting lags & today’s count may be influenced by the holiday, but this is the lowest Monday total since Mar 23, and well below last week’s 330. The 7-day avg falls to 480.

    29. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 6, 2020 at 6:17 pm
      The big question the Supreme Court is going to have to deal with at some point is the interstate compact requiring states that join to cast their votes for the national popular vote winner.

      – I’m not sure they will. Their decision today says state can punish electors if they choose, but they didn’t say a state must punish electors or that a state must even concern itself with how an elector votes. So it’s entirely possible the compact is ok since the Court seemed to say that, while states can punish electors, faithless electors aren’t a problem.

      The message to each state’s parties ought to be “Make sure you thoroughly screen those you choose to be electors.”.

    30. Tina says:

      De. Gottslieb May be even worse than Dr. fallacy.

      Both dummies.

    31. Big Joe says:

      #22, Tina-

      I don’t know, Tina. If I had to pick between undervalued and overvalued, I’d have to say the market is overvalued. Lots of earnings coming out this month will tell a story. Are we headed for a quick recovery, or are we going to recover somewhat and then slow down.

      Market wants to V-shaped bounce-back and its priced in already IMO. Any news to the contrary could cause a sell-off.

      But then we have the wildcard. You hear it? What’s that sound? It’s the Fed printing press printing away! LOL

      BJ

    32. Phil says:

      The Supreme Court Decision today doesn’t have any bearing on the interstate agreement between states requiring states to cast their electoral votes for the winner of the national popular vote.

      The question before the Supreme Court will be whether states can form an interstate compact without the consent of the congress. It clearly states in the Constitution that they can not…..hence the necessity of packing the Supreme Court with more justices (all radicals). The filibuster would have to be eliminated first to get that through the Senate.

    33. Tina says:

      Don’t worry, let’s see how the supremes rule on the two trump tax cases. You know the cases whereby fat slob in the house is hunting for information.

      Let’s see how Souter 2.0 votes.

    34. Tina says:

      Let’s also see how the Drat judges vote. Will they break rank for once?

    35. Phil says:

      They never break ranks, Tina. One monolithic wave.

    36. Big Joe says:

      I don’t check technicals much, but one metric I do like is the RSI (Relative Strength Index). Anything about 70 is overbought, anything below 30 is oversold. Today, the S&P is around 60, so its heading toward overbought territory. NASDAQ is already overbought.

      https://www.profitspi.com/stock/view.aspx?v=stock-chart&uv=100563&p=SPY

      BJ

    37. NYCmike says:

      Epstein’s girl Maxwell being held at Sunset Park correctional about a mile or 2 from my house…..candlelight vigil in honor of her victims is scheduled for early next week due to her untimely death.

    38. PurpleDeac says:

      My 2 cents on the market. I would not put any new money into tech, if it continues to go up you still make money. Financials and income generating stocks have not benefitted from this rally at all. Cyclicals have run up nicely. Keep your powder dry and get in at lower levels.

    39. Bitterlaw says:

      SCOTUS libs joined with conservatives on EC case. Makes me nervous.

    40. Bitterlaw says:

      Hamilton creator under fire for not being critical enough of slavery. His response was essentially that all criticism is fair game but he spent 6 years writing it.

    41. lisab says:

      i don’t believe bitterlaw has been critical enough of slavery

    42. Bitterlaw says:

      I guess critics missed lines that’s America would never be truly free until it ended slavery
      .

    43. Bitterlaw says:

      I guess critics missed lines that America would never be truly free until it ended slavery.
      .

    44. Bitterlaw says:

      The critics of Hamilton have clearly never seen it.

    45. Phil says:

      They didn’t miss them.

      They conveniently ignored them.

      It is how the left operates, Bitter.

    46. Chicon says:

      41 – Bitter, neither the libs nor the cons want a faithless elector to cost their side an election. So, 9-0.

    47. Hugh says:

      Huge news in Florida. Florida’s requiring all brick and mortar schools to open full time in the fall. Parents can opt for an elearning course if they are afraid. Cut ls off all the ridiculous plans announced by local school boards. Desantis will be the 2024 gop nominee

    48. Bitterlaw says:

      I know, Phil. It is just such a stupid criticism to make.

    49. Tgca says:

      So my gaaaaay friend from CA is sending me Trump links to register for Trump events and not show up so Trump is embarrassed.

      Why are CA gays so…um…gaaaaay?

    50. Wes says:

      The Lincoln Project is made up of “principled conservatives such as Mikey and JulStol, who want Republicans to lose winnable Senate races to far-left Democrats.

    51. Bitterlaw says:

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8odeMTS-sLg

      Stupid libs. Washington is black!

    52. Bitterlaw says:

      Is a Tgca vs SDC fight brewing? This should be fabulous.

    53. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Another reason the CORVID-19 lockdowns were a mistake:

      “Sunlight was found to inactivate severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), which causes coronavirus 2019 (COVID-19) in a new controlled environment assessment.

      The rise of aerosols in the transmission of COVID-19 has been something researchers and the medical community are looking to investigate more closely.

      Michael Schuit from the National Biodefense Analysis and Countermeasures Center, led a team of investigators in a study looking at the effect of simulated sunlight, relative humidity, and suspension matrix on the stability of SARS-CoV-2 in aerosols.

      Both simulated sunlight and matrix significantly affected the decay rate of the virus, according to the investigators. Their findings were published in The Journal of Infectious Diseases.”

    54. Bitterlaw says:

      Libs are a joke. Must have missed Lin Manual Miranda performing the opening of Hamilton for Obama.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E8_ARd4oKiI

    55. Tgca says:

      Ok. Someone’s got to say it sooner or later so here goes…

      Bitter loves sweaters!

      Bitter loves flower shows!

      Bitter loves musical shows!

      …and you guys have the audacity to call me gaaaaaay!!!

    56. jason says:

      June 29 deaths 366
      June 29 cases 44764

      July 6 deaths 378
      July 6 cases 50586

      IHME

      Projected Actual
      July 1 640 676 +26
      July 2 642 687 +45
      July 3 644 616 -28
      July 4 646 254 -392
      July 5 648 251 -397
      July 6 648 378 -270

    57. jason says:

      We don’t have any gay A-holes.

      GFY

    58. Bitterlaw says:

      I do not own any sweaters. I have been to 2 flower shows in 30 years. I would tell Tgca to suck it but…too much. Not going there.

    59. Scooterboy says:

      “ We don’t have any gay A-holes.”

      Are you sure?

      I observed Bitter coming out of the closet at the A-hole clubhouse. Does that qualify as being Gay?

    60. MikeKS says:

      Trafalgar is the only poll anyone should pay attention to.

    61. MikeKS says:

      Trump definitely is behind right now, but it’s something he can make up. At this point, not kidding, the election is looking like a 269-269 tie.

    62. UgandanAttorney says:

      Internals show Biden leading Trump by 2 in Nevada

      https://twitter.com/Peoples_Pundit/status/1280316462259998720

      Trump’s campaign has reserved ad time in the fall for Nevada.

    63. PurpleDeac says:

      64. I don’t see Biden losing any of the Hillary states. She was despised by all, including Dems if they are being honest. If anything those margins grow. Trump has to replicate his 2016 map to win.

    64. NYCmike says:

      Did Wes really come by to make that 1 comment?

      Tink must really be into being a mommy.

    65. Cash Cow TM says:

      Cow is in a pensive mood (“MOO-ed”?)
      *****************************************
      Here is what I WANT and WISH for…

      1. I long for the “good old days” when you could watch late night comedy shows and be entertained by the host and laugh hilariously at the jokes–instead of getting a half-hour leftist “haranguing” and lecture from the used-to-be-funny comedian about his personal political views and social opinions. Sadly, I no longer watch ANY late night comedians any more…

      2. I want to go to church and get spiritually fed and uplifted–NOT get a double barrel load of leftist drivel supporting false narratives. And MANY churches are no longer allowing patriotic music of any kind because “somebody might be offended.” I don’t enjoy going to church any more and leave feeling depressed…

      3. I want to watch football, baseball, etc. and for a time and escape from the insanity of the world and be entertained, instead of having to watch grown men act like fools and do things that disrespect the nation before the game even begins. Have watched almost no pro football games in two years…

      4. I want to watch various annual “Award” shows on TV (for music, films, acting, etc.) and NOT have to be subjected to ‘winners’ give condescending and long-winded PC pandering speeches of their wrongheaded and addle brained opinions about governmental or social topics of which they have less expertise and knowledge than the average donkey. I pretty much stopped watching award shows…

      5. I want to go to a restaurant to enjoy the food and atmosphere and relax–NOT to have to go into a restaurant with “BLM” signs in the window and then endure a wait staff wearing BLM masks and “I Can’t Breathe” or “K-ll Trump” T-shirts.

      6. I want to watch the news and have them give me the facts of what happened today–NOT to get fed a slanted, half story and the opinions of the reporters and anchors as to what it means and their interpretation of the facts. I now watch and read far less news than I used to…

      7. I want to live in a society again where people act sanely and reasonably and respect sensible opinions of others–instead of a society where those militantly and ardently preaching “tolerance” and “inclusiveness” attack you and show they are NOT tolerant or inclusive if you wear a red hat, have an American flag on your property or person. or politely express a view or opinion that is contrary to the ones they hold.

      8. I want to live again in a country where leaders of BOTH major political parties loved the U.S. and what it stands for and strives to be, supported various U.S. institutions and values–including RULE OF LAW–, embraced time honored American values and worked together to build an even better country.
      Today, congress (and the whole political realm) is worse than a bad joke…

      ########################################
      Where and when did America “jump the rail” and become the unrecognizable mess that we have collectively become?

    66. VictrC says:

      Amen

      Stealing this.

    67. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

      Geriatric racists piling on the excuses like always.

      Sad and pathetic.

    68. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      When Trump won northeast Pennsylvania in 2016 (which Obama had won TWICE) there was hand-wringing and it was analyzed in books and articles.

      Well folks, it looks like the Democrats’ lurch to the left is hurting them there. How about that.
      #2020Elections
      https://citizensvoice.com/news/democrats-registration-advantage-declines-in-lackawanna-luzerne-counties/article_9977a454-336c-5341-95a6-dd0b31872328.html

    69. PresidentPaul! says:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_39oqS4jLXg

      Good interview that aired 6/17

    70. PresidentPaul! says:

      Democracy Now: The Untold History of Mount Rushmore: A KKK Sympathizer Built Monument on Sacred Lakota Land

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz0bz1k2CWc

    71. Country Dick Montana says:

      “Geriatric racists piling on the excuses like always.”

      Anyone else see irony in this statement?

    72. Bitterlaw says:

      I listened to an interview with NBA legend, Charles Barkley. It was a sports station but the white host kept trying to drag Sir Charles into condemning the politics and statues. He shocked the host by saying he supports the police but that does mean he supports killing unarmed people already on the ground. He said people who want to defund the police are chuckleheads. He said if the police are defunded they will just be pulled from poor areas and those people will suffer more. In regard to Confederate statues, he said he never thought about them and they never hurt him. Obviously, he did not like the side they represented but he would not pull them down. The host was stunned.

    73. Tina says:

      Barkley is an interesting guy, bl.

      Even when I disagree with him, his interviews are entertaining.

    74. Phil says:

      Yeah, Charles has always marched to his own drummer.

    75. jason says:

      I observed Bitter coming out of the closet at the A-hole clubhouse. Does that qualify as being Gay?”

      Hmmmm…. he probably wasn’t looking for MD’s secret Grey Goose stash, but he might have been consulting the annals for material that might help with Scooter’s defense against Kim’s harassment lawsuit.

    76. jason says:

      I imagine there are a lot of black leaders uncomfortable with the defund the police idea, at least privately.

      Does the mayor of New Orleans and the black business owners in the city really want to kill the tourism industry?

      What is going to happen is that the inner cities, many of which got cleaned up and revitalized over the last 30 years, are going to go back to being crime ridden hellholes.

    77. Tina says:

      Well if they defund the police in Detroit, at least 60 percent of black Americans would be out of jobs.

      Trump needs to tie these stats in when he mentions defund the police.

    78. Tina says:

      Will desean Jackson face consequences for citing anti Semitic remarks from Hitler?

      After all, an nfl player had to apologize for saying he would not kneel at the flag, and a college coach had to apologize for wearing an OAN shirt when he went fishing.

    79. jason says:

      I am more and more convinced this election will not be what many here have believed, that it will be referendum on Trump.

      I think Robbie is very wrong when he says people don’t vote on policy, so they would accept a radical leftist policy because they are “tired of Trump”.

      I think the opposite, this election will be about ideology and policy. It will be a classic left vs. right election that you used to see in Europe.

      There is just too much acceptance of the radical ideas being floated out there for it to be otherwise. Corporations are taking a completely leftist and radical approach, and the companies that own the MSM don’t seem to object to how far left the views on their networks are. The NFL and the NBA are betting that people will accept their left wing political stances without affecting the bottom line. Removing Aunt Jemima and Eskimo pies and Johnson & Johnson not selling “whitening” products is tantamount to the Cultural Revolution in China, books will be next.

      This is not a hidden or stealth agenda. This is not Obama pretending to be against gay marriage to get votes so he can “evolve” later.

      The Dems are telling America what they will get if they get elected.

      If they win, it is because they have a majority of people who accept that agenda. It is not a referendum on Trump.

      Now, events might have forced the Dems hand, I think the original idea was to have a referendum on Trump. But the Dems are no longer running against Trump. They are running on a platform to radically change the ideology, the history and the legacy of the country.

    80. Tina says:

      Jebots crushed again

      Julia Pollak
      @juliaonjobs
      #JOLTS report shows signs of recovery:
      – 5.4 million job openings, up from 5.0 million last month
      – 6.5 million hires (a series high due to rehires of workers on temporary layoff in April)
      – Quits rate edged up 1.6%
      7:02 AM · Jul 7, 2020·Twitter Web App

    81. Tina says:

      Julia Pollak
      @juliaonjobs
      ·
      4m
      Despite anecdotal evidence and WARN notices indicating elevated numbers of layoffs in May, the #JOLTS report says there were just 1.796M layoffs and discharges, which is about the average for the past two years.

    82. Hugh says:

      I completely agree with Jason. If you listen to this podcast from trafalgar starting at the 17:30 mark, he is saying something very similar. It is very interesting.

      https://www.theamericanconservative.com/state-of-the-union/podcast-inside-the-mind-of-the-shy-trump-voter-with-robert-cahaly/

    83. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 10:13 am
      I am more and more convinced this election will not be what many here have believed, that it will be referendum on Trump.

      I think Robbie is very wrong when he says people don’t vote on policy, so they would accept a radical leftist policy because they are “tired of Trump”.

      – Just to be clear, there are plenty of people who vote on policy. They’re just not the ones who decide elections.

      It’s the group of voters in the middle who don’t vote on policy. If they did, how could they go from Bush in 2000/2004 to Obama in 2008/2012 to Trump in 2016?

    84. Tina says:

      More Greenshoots

      tweeted

      Charles V Payne
      @cvpayne
      Breaking News

      Job Openings In America Climb Faster Than Expected

      In there were May 2020 5,397,000 job openings up from 4.99 million – the experts were looking for a decline to 4.85 million.

      We. Are. Going. To. Win.

      https://twitter.com/cvpayne/status/1280504571266244608

    85. Tina says:

      Trump has gotten back to back to back strong economic reports and a compliant stock market over looking the muh case gaslighters.

    86. Cash Cow TM says:

      DRUDGE

      “Hollywood Struggles to Resume Shooting…”
      *****************
      Chicago sending team to Hollywood
      ‘to show ’em how it’s done’?

    87. Robbie says:

      Presidential re-elections are always a referendum on the incumbent. If the period of time surrounding the election is believed to be good or improving, the incumbent wins and often by a sizable margin. Ike, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, GWB, and Obama benefitted from running in a period of time perceived as either good or improving.

      On the flip side, periods of perceived bad times can be crippling for an incumbent. LBJ didn’t even bother to run in 1968 because the circumstances surrounding his re-election were so bad. Carter and GHWB also had the bad luck of running for re-election in a period when the times were perceived to be bad.

    88. jason says:

      News you won’t see Robbie or the MSM posting.

      The 7 day rolling average for deaths in the US declined from 908 a day on June 6 to 378 on July 6.

      https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    89. Cash Cow TM says:

      Walt says he is toying with an idea to start a small dairy (with me as key employee).

      Wants to call it “Supreme Dairy”.

      Says he will sell a 3-pint quart of milk and will call it the:

      “SUPREME QUART”

      and his ad will say:

      “Whether you are a liberal or conservative milk drinker, a 5-to-4 opinion has been issued that says your smart decision is the SUPREME QUART.”

      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
      Has a picture on the milk box of me wearing a judicial robe and holding a gavel…

      WHAT DO YOU THINK?

    90. Stonewall DW says:

      GHWB would have won had Perot not jumped in. The last sitting Republican president to run for re-election and lose against one opponent was Hoover, who had the Great Depression wrapped around his neck.

      We are not in a Great Depression, and Biden hardly excites anyone, given they have to check on him every morning to make sure he is still alive, and check him every week to see if his brain still functions well enough to work a TV remote control.

    91. jason says:

      Presidential re-elections are always a referendum on the incumbent.”

      As I pointed out above, this election will not be a referendum on Trump. That train has left the station.

      If you want to call it a referendum, it will be on the direction of the country.

      But I don’t even think it is that kind of referendum.

      It is a choice between two completely different ideologies. One offers a continuation of the what until now was perceived as the values and legacies established by the founding fathers and our history, another replaces that with a new ideology that in order to be implemented, mandates the old one be erased.

      Trump is pretty much a bystander in this election. It is not about him, or about Biden. They just happen to be the stand-ins for the respective true contenders. In fact, they are poor representatives of their “side” but it doesn’t matter.

    92. Robbie says:

      Donald Scherer
      @donald_scherer
      FLA testing results include a MASSIVE number of RETESTS. Their own daily reports note this! Most employers require 2 or more negative tests before they come back to work. Each positive test is counted as a BRAND NEW CASE. In some areas retests could compound exponentially weekly!

      – Seems important, right?

    93. jason says:

      It’s the group of voters in the middle who don’t vote on policy”

      Not this time around.

      By November even the most “unaware” person will understand what the election is about.

      But don’t get me wrong. I have said many times here that I am very pessimistic when it comes to the future of the country when it comes to capitalism, free markets, free enterprise, free trade, personal responsibility, limited government. I left the Repubican Party because it no longer supports these ideals, and the Dems certainly don’t.

      It could well be that a majority of the country is now convinced the nanny state is the way to go, I was just hoping we could put it off awhile longer. But the chickens might have come to roost with decades of left wing indoctrination in our schools and universities and brainwashing by the MSM.

      But that has nothing to do with Trump.

    94. Robbie says:

      Stonewall DW says:
      July 7, 2020 at 10:49 am
      GHWB would have won had Perot not jumped in.

      – Lee Atwater died in early 1991, Pat Buchanan launched what was essentially the first Tea Party challenge in the 1992 primary, and Perot ran as an Indy.

      Had any one of these events not happened, I think GHWB would have won. Atwater was very concerned about Clinton and wouldn’t have ignored him as GHWB’s brain trust did early on.

      Regardless, I don’t think Perot ever would have run had Buchanan not roughed up GHWB in the primary. Buchanan opened the door for Perot.

    95. jason says:

      Trump, as a former nanny state loving Democrat, corporate capitalist and isolationist and protectionist, is not the guy I would pick to represent capitalism in an election, nor would I pick Biden, the worst example of absolutely corrupt, crooked, inbred, establishment politics imaginable, to represent socialism.

      But they are both along for the ride this time.

    96. Robbie says:

      I might be early to this, but there are signs Florida’s number of new cases might be starting to roll over. The same thing might be happening in Texas, but it’s a bit tougher to say. The Houston area seems to have peaked already and it may be a leading indicator for the rest of the state.

    97. jason says:

      Seems important, right?”

      Only if you are addicted to fake news.

    98. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 11:12 am
      Trump, as a former nanny state loving Democrat, corporate capitalist and isolationist and protectionist, is not the guy I would pick to represent capitalism in an election

      – This is my fear. Trump goes down in flames and, in the process, take the view of capitalism down with him even though he’s not really a firm believer in it. Something similar happened with Hoover. He was as much a proponent of big government as FDR, but he was labeled as a capitalist and his disastrous 1932 loss harmed the views of capitalism for a decade.

    99. jason says:

      I might be early to this, but there are signs Florida’s number of new cases might be starting to roll over. The same thing might be happening in Texas, but it’s a bit tougher to say. The Houston area seems to have peaked already and it may be a leading indicator for the rest of the state.”

      Zzzzzzzz…. the “surges” in FL and TX were always media driven political hype and a result of more testing and more asymptomatic cases in younger people.

      But maybe you can put some arbitrary “case number” for TX and FL like you did for the US so you can move the goalposts later when they are reached.

    100. jason says:

      his is my fear. Trump goes down in flames and, in the process,”

      You should fear the change in ideology, nothing to do with Trump.

    101. VictrC says:

      The re-testing thing is something that is not getting much attention in the media, surprise, surprise, surprise!!

      But, for instance. PGA players are all getting tested on a daily basis (I know, small sample pool), but same with a lot of employees who are going back to work.

      I am heading overseas in a couple of weeks and to avoid quarantine I will have to get tested 3 times in 7 days, Our babysitters BF has COVID, so we made her get tested three times in 72 hours.

    102. jason says:

      The fact I think Trump is not a good stand-in for capitalism doesn’t mean I think anyone else would do better.

      This is much bigger than any individual. That is why a mentally impaired Biden will do just as well as any other Dem, he is just a stand-in too.

    103. Cash Cow TM says:

      Bitter sent a text message to Walt.
      Says he is favorable to the SUPREME QUART idea and starting the dairy.

      Wants to become a partner and add a line called
      “Bitter’s Better Butter.”

    104. Country Dick Montana says:

      “It could well be that a majority of the country is now convinced the nanny state is the way to go, I was just hoping we could put it off awhile longer. But the chickens might have come to roost with decades of left wing indoctrination in our schools and universities and brainwashing by the MSM.”

      There are a lot of voters who know this, but will somehow convince themselves that it won’t affect them or that the Democrats really don’t mean it. They can virtue signal at the voting booth and feel good about themselves. By the time it hits them that they indeed will be caught up in the chit show that the Dems are promising it will be too late to do anything about it.

    105. Tina says:

      That is the problem with the gaslighters.

      Not knowing each Positive test counts as a new case.

      I don’t think it’s limited to Florida.

      And it skews the counts,

      Causing gaslighters to gaslight.

    106. Tina says:

      Evidently the jebots are now triggered by wrong Wray calling China a threat to our health and security.

      Jeff Seldin
      @jseldin
      · 53m
      .@FBI’s Wray calls #China a threat to “our health, our livelihoods & our security”

      “We’ve now reached a point where the FBI is opening a new #China-related intelligence case every 10 hours” per Wray

    107. jason says:

      Facts you won’t see Robbie or the MSM post.

      Total deaths NY+NJ+IL = 55767

      Total deaths TX+FL+AZ = 8389

    108. Robbie says:

      POS
      @POStrategies
      Data from @Gallup shows Americans have quickly shifted attitudes on #COVID19, as nearly two-thirds now believe the situation is worsening in the U.S.

      – I know many here don’t want the number of new cases to be the standard by which progress is judged, but it clearly seems to be how most of the public are judging the situation.

      These numbers come from Gallup. In the week of June 1-7 when new daily cases had drop to about 20,000 a day, 47% thought things were getting better and 22% thought things were about the same. That’s a combined total of 69% (the same or better).

      Cases began rising by mid June and the polling done by Gallup showed a quick turnaround in how the country felt things were going with coronavirus. In the week of June 22-28, Gallup data showed 65% thought things were getting worse and just 12% thought things were about the same. That’s a combined total of 77% (the same or worse).

      It’s a mistake to say the number of new cases isn’t playing a role. Blame the press (they deserve plenty of it), but bringing the number of new cases down to a much lower level is one of the surest ways to see the economy continue to recover and to see Trump’s standing in the polls improve.

    109. Tina says:

      Muh cases

      Rinse and repeat.

      Muh cases

      Rinse and repeat.

    110. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 11:37 am
      Facts you won’t see Robbie or the MSM post.

      Total deaths NY+NJ+IL = 55767

      Total deaths TX+FL+AZ = 8389

      – I wish I had the power you claim I have. If it were the case, Jeb Bush would be president today. Instead, he’s getting fat playing golf in South Florida and his political career is dead as dead can be.

    111. Tina says:

      Bolsonaro testrd positive for the China virus. He is taking the anti malaria drug and is feeling better.

      Steve Herman
      @W7VOA
      · 15m
      #Brazil President @jairbolsonaro, who has #COVID19, tells reporters he’s taking hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin.
      Show

    112. Robbie says:

      This is potentially good news. It appears the AstraZeneca vaccine is being administered in some cases via challenge trials in Brazil. That should expedite the process. The CEO of AstraZeneca has said he hopes to deliver several hundred million doses of the vaccine to the US before the holiday season.

    113. dblaikie says:

      Robbie, first of all Gallup although a worthy polling firm (one of the few I respect) only polls adults which is extremely frustrating because only about 50 to 60 percent of people vote. That alone makes their data shaky.

      However even if accurate we have been here before. First the loud megaphone of the media proclaims only what they want people to hear (in this case cases alone). The public starts off by being moved by their mega phone — corona virus getting worse. However soon other more relevant facts begin to seep into the public psyche. The polls begin to modify and once again we discover that the press has overreached. It happens over and over again.

      Soon the news of the positive effects of HCQ coupled with a continued low death rate (today is going to be around 500 to 600) will begin to sneak out and guess what the poll about corona virus will change.

    114. dblaikie says:

      By the way this cycle is now going on with these protests, the defund the police movement, and yes with BLM. Once again an overreach of huge proportions.

    115. Phil says:

      Numbers aren’t going to look very good today because 1) it’s Tuesday and the death count is always highest 2) three day holiday weekend where states only partially reported. It’s catch up day.

    116. Robbie says:

      dblaikie says:
      July 7, 2020 at 12:04 pm
      Robbie, first of all Gallup although a worthy polling firm (one of the few I respect) only polls adults which is extremely frustrating because only about 50 to 60 percent of people vote.

      – But views on coronavirus aren’t just limited to those who vote. It affects everyone, regardless of whether they vote or not.

      If you’re polling a race, I agree just adults is a dumb idea. Poll RV’s and then poll LV’s within a couple months of election day.

    117. Robbie says:

      I was reading a tweet thread by a former Obama medical hack and likely member of Biden’s government (if he wins) named Andy Slavitt.

      He was moving the goalposts on a vaccine. Originally, we were told life can’t return to normal until there’s a vaccine. Now, Slavitt, and several others, have begin to say that a vaccine allows us to gradually turn towards a new normal. In other words, a vaccine is only the starting point.

      I figured we’d see BS like this. Governors and mayors who’ve stolen countless rights from citizens will be loathe to give them up without a fight. They’ll milk these restrictions for years and years if they can.

    118. NYCmike says:

      “It’s the group of voters in the middle who don’t vote on policy. If they did, how could they go from Bush in 2000/2004 to Obama in 2008/2012 to Trump in 2016?”

      McCain/Romney?? HELLO!!!

    119. NYCmike says:

      “I figured we’d see BS like this. Governors and mayors who’ve stolen countless rights from citizens will be loathe to give them up without a fight. They’ll milk these restrictions for years and years if they can.”

      -Yet, he is still “undecided”.

    120. NYCmike says:

      “Where and when did America “jump the rail” and become the unrecognizable mess that we have collectively become?”

      -Not voting for Trump last time or this year?

      There is a clear difference between the candidates.

      In reality, the Baby Boomer aka “The Greatest Generation” decided to let their children have more freedom than did their parents……many of those kids became the radicals in charge of the institutions America relied upon to teach the next generations of kids……the fruit is being harvested as we speak.

    121. NYCmike says:

      “Even when I disagree with him, his interviews are entertaining.”

      -Agreed.

      He seems to like the give and take, and knowing where people stand……rather than being coy and sneaky.

    122. NYCmike says:

      “I might be early to this, but there are signs Florida’s number of new cases might be starting to roll over.”

      -I said a month ago to ignore it, but you refused to listen…….AGAIN!

      Will you ever learn?

    123. NYCmike says:

      “– This is my fear. Trump goes down in flames and, in the process, take the view of capitalism down with him even though he’s not really a firm believer in it.”

      -LOL!

      Laughable!

      Compare Trump’s policies in office to those put in place and voted on by McCain/Romney/Bush. He is definitely not worse than they were, and his attitude towards deregulation and rules reduction is much more pro-capitalist.

    124. jason says:

      I wish I had the power you claim I have”

      I didn’t claim you had any power.

      I just made the point of your selective use of fake news to make the MSM’s case.

    125. NYCmike says:

      “I wish I had the power you claim I have””

      -Sounds even more like a Democrat….always in WANT of power!

    126. jason says:

      Compare Trump’s policies in office to those put in place and voted on by McCain/Romney/Bush.”

      Hello? McCain and Romney were not Presidents. But I will say this for them, they were conservatives and Republicans for a lot longer than Trump ever was.

      And I will put GWB’s conservative credentials against Trump’s any day.

      Trump may be a lot of things, conservative is not one of them. Let’s not get carried away. Unless the AFL-CIO agenda of the last 60 years is “conservative”.

    127. jason says:

      Arizona reporting 117 deaths today, but only 1 yesterday, so it is obviously catching up.

      This is before Robbie moves the goalposts and starts whining about “deaths in AZ”.

    128. Chicon says:

      Robbie has fears. I never knew….

    129. Bitterlaw says:

      The only group that wii be pleased with the outcome of the2020 election will be the AFL-CIO. Trump and Biden both support its trade policies.

    130. jason says:

      -Yet, he is still “undecided”.”

      He doesn’t know whether to vote for Biden in person or by mail, give him a break.

    131. Bitterlaw says:

      Voting AGAINST Hillary was so much easier than voting FOR Trump will be. The real world sucks.

    132. Chicon says:

      Robbie is conflicted about the current state of the Red Death. He loves to believe (and yap about ad nauseam) that it is damaging Trump. On the other hand, it might cause him to lose his job.

    133. jason says:

      The only group that wii be pleased with the outcome of the2020 election will be the AFL-CIO.”

      They have died and gone to heaven. They can spend hundreds of millions electing Dems down ballot now that they will get an ally either way.

      What is Kanye’s position, that might be their only risk.

    134. jason says:

      I won’t be having any trouble voting for Trump. Like I said, he is only here for the ride in this election. The stakes are much bigger than even his ego.

    135. TIna says:

      That az number appears high, but they said 50 plus were from matching death certificates. Seems like they went back weeks.

      But it’s all about Muh cases

    136. jason says:

      n the other hand, it might cause him to lose his job.”

      From his posts, I think he made his decision.

      Milk the “cases” because it is bad for Trump, the heck with his job.

      He probably figures Biden will give him some handouts.

    137. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 12:58 pm
      Arizona reporting 117 deaths today, but only 1 yesterday, so it is obviously catching up.

      This is before Robbie moves the goalposts and starts whining about “deaths in AZ”.

      – I view cases as the most important metric. The fewer the number of people who get coronavirus, the fewer coronavirus deaths there will be.

      I think it’s great the death rate has steadily decreased and I expect it will continue to do so since doctors now better understand how to treat it and we’re probably only a few months away from monoclonal antibody treatments being used.

    138. Chicon says:

      Jason said “And I will put GWB’s conservative credentials against Trump’s any day.”

      By credentials, do you mean actions as President? Or are you including stuff prior to the Presidency? If it is the former, you’ve been in the hooch early today.

    139. Bitterlaw says:

      https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/07/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers.html

      Hmmmmmm. PA is not on the list. Maybe Governor Murphy knows that the New Jersey beach towns will barely survive economically if PA residents stay away.

    140. jason says:

      Robbie really is a basket case.

      Supposedly he was against lockdowns, but he parrots the MSM narrative which is designed to trigger more lockdowns.

      Supposedly he wants to keep his job, but he wants to defeat the guy who would certainly be more likely to make that possible.

      When you are a shallow, vindictive, bitter shell of person whose outlook on life is predicated on the MSM headline of the day you put yourself into these predicaments.

    141. Robbie says:

      Chicon says:
      July 7, 2020 at 1:01 pm
      Robbie is conflicted about the current state of the Red Death. He loves to believe (and yap about ad nauseam) that it is damaging Trump. On the other hand, it might cause him to lose his job.

      – This is nutty. I do believe coronavirus, especially the increased number of cases lately, has hurt Trump’s standing in the polls. Nowhere, though, have I suggested I “love” it as you wrote. In fact, I have repeatedly said I don’t blame Trump for coronavirus hitting the country. A virus will do what it does among a large population that moves freely around a huge country. We’re mostly bystanders to it.

      More importantly though, I can tell how Trump’s doing in the race by the number of barbs that are directed my way. The worse Trump does, the more they seem to occur.

    142. jason says:

      By credentials, do you mean actions as President? Or are you including stuff prior to the Presidency?

      Both. GWB was always a conservative. His whole life.

      Trump was never a conservative. Not before his Presidency, not during it.

    143. Tina says:

      65 percent of Hispanics support ttrumps tweets on crack downs

      https://twitter.com/Bill_Mrf/status/1280535950330720256

    144. jason says:

      I can tell how Trump’s doing in the race by the number of barbs that are directed my way.”

      LOL

      I think the barbs are directed at the MSM. Since you are their mouthpiece here, you are collateral damage.

    145. Tina says:

      39 percent support of Hispanics for trump. This coils explain why trump is runnng ads in New Mexico and Nevada.

      Nevada could be won.

      https://marketresearchfoundation.org/2020/07/07/latino-landslide-new-poll-shows-thirty-nine-percent-back-trump/

    146. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 1:05 pm
      n the other hand, it might cause him to lose his job.”

      From his posts, I think he made his decision.

      Milk the “cases” because it is bad for Trump, the heck with his job.

      He probably figures Biden will give him some handouts.

      – Yes! You’ve figured me out. I’ve decided if I post about the number of new cases (something you followed until they started going up) in the HHR forum, it will lead to Trump losing. The power of the HHR forum is unlimited!

      Even better, that means I’ll get a handout from Biden. It’s twofer! I thought no one would ever figure it out, but I forget I’m dealing with Jason. Nothing gets past him.

      By the way, what would you call the payroll support the government gave to airlines in late March? A handout? Or does what Trump did in March deserve a special name so you can claim it wasn’t a handout?

    147. Tina says:

      Looks like China Biden is rushing resources into Nevada.

    148. jason says:

      he fewer the number of people who get coronavirus, the fewer coronavirus deaths there will be.”

      My God, THAT is really is a bald faced lie.

      I just posted the curve on deaths, showing that in the last month, despite the “surge” in cases, the deaths have declined from a 7 day moving average of 908 on June 6 to 378 July 6.

      “News you won’t see Robbie or the MSM posting.

      The 7 day rolling average for deaths in the US declined from 908 a day on June 6 to 378 on July 6.

      https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    149. Tina says:

      Oh wow, Arizona went back to April 12th I today’s numbers.

      Today’s dashboard includes an important update to the COVID-19 data including notable changes related to the identification of COVID-19 deaths in Arizona. Surveillance of deaths is an important component of any communicable disease investigation. This surveillance can provide key information about risk factors and the severity of a disease, especially when dealing with a novel virus. As a result of recent guidance by the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) on how states should certify deaths due to COVID-19 using death certificate surveillance, 35 of the 67 new deaths reported today are from death certificate surveillance dating as far back as the week of April 12.

    150. John says:

      Some interesting news today regarding Pennslyvania. According this article the Democrats have lost 136,000 registered Democrats from 2016….case in point – Democrat Lackawanna County has lost 3,500 Democrats and the Republicans have picked up 5,500 registered voters since the last primary….biggest reason – the Democrat Party has lurched to the far left.
      https://www.citizensvoice.com/news/democrats-registration-advantage-declines-in-lackawanna-luzerne-counties/article_9977a454-336c-5341-95a6-dd0b31872328.html

      Second item….the Biden campaign today has hired ‘top aides’ to oversee Pennslyvania.
      https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/506174-biden-hires-top-aides-for-pennsylvania
      Hmmmm……..

    151. Tina says:

      Trump,”managed” to do this in the last 3 weeks

      America vs Hate America

      Dean Clancy
      @DeanClancy
      · 2h
      Biden has allowed his base supporters to turn a theoretically winnable referendum on Trump’s mixed record and polarizing personality into a referendum on America, with Trump as the Candidate of America. Biden must now choose between renouncing America or his own base. #loselose twitter.com/PostOpinions/s…

    152. John says:

      148/Tina.
      I hope so.
      But it seems every election Democrat John Ralston gives his input everyday when early voting starts only to say ‘Democrats had a huge day in Clark County’ and R’s need to have a 90% turnout on election day.
      Totally depressing.

    153. jason says:

      Here is what the MSM and Robbie neglect to tell you about cases.

      If NOBODY died of COVID-19, would we have shut down the economy and killed thousands of businesses and put millions out of work?

      Of course not. Yet Robbie comes up with this “gem”.

      “I view cases as the most important metric”

      The most important metric is of course deaths. The MSM’s most important metric is cases because it is politically driven. If the death rate was higher, both Robbie and the MSM would switch to deaths in a nanosecond.

      The hypocrisy is astounding.

    154. jason says:

      Biden has allowed his base supporters to turn a theoretically winnable referendum on Trump’s mixed record and polarizing personality into a referendum on America, with Trump as the Candidate of America. Biden must now choose between renouncing America or his own base.”

      Wow, exactly what I said earlier.

    155. jason says:

      I am a genius. What I wrote:

      “It is a choice between two completely different ideologies. One offers a continuation of the what until now was perceived as the values and legacies established by the founding fathers and our history, another replaces that with a new ideology that in order to be implemented, mandates the old one be erased.

      Trump is pretty much a bystander in this election. It is not about him, or about Biden. They just happen to be the stand-ins for the respective true contenders. In fact, they are poor representatives of their “side” but it doesn’t matter.

    156. Chicon says:

      155 – this is what Robbie is really afraid of…..

    157. Gordon Allen says:

      Clancy says the same thing I did( don’t you love it when that’s so) Robbie is dead wrong; this isn’t Humphrey/Nixon; Carter/Ford; Dukakis/ Bush/ Clinton/Dole or Bush/Gore. The differences and consequences here are seismic in their clarity. This hasn’t manifested itself fully yet,as all many now know about Biden is he was Obama’s VP and ran AGAINST the Socialist Bernie. When then realize Biden’s true positions he’s toast.

    158. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 1:11 pm
      Robbie really is a basket case.

      Supposedly he was against lockdowns, but he parrots the MSM narrative which is designed to trigger more lockdowns.

      Supposedly he wants to keep his job, but he wants to defeat the guy who would certainly be more likely to make that possible.

      When you are a shallow, vindictive, bitter shell of person whose outlook on life is predicated on the MSM headline of the day you put yourself into these predicaments.

      – I see Jason is back to being a comedy fiction writer.

      Shallow? That’s a guy who opposed Trump every day during the 2016 primary and 2016 general election only to become one his more ardent supporters because he won.

      Vindictive? That’s a guy who constantly attacks others for not agreeing with him. Let’s not forget you ran pitchaboy off 10 days ago because you (not a doctor) disagreed with him (an actual doctor) on a medical issue that you believed you understood better than him. Reminds me of 2016 when you thought you knew more about an aspect of flying an airliner than I did.

      As for the rest, I think the shutdown was the single most destructive thing society has ever done to itself and we’ll be dealing the fallout from it for years and years to come. I’ve said that repeatedly. Anyone who thinks I feel differently is wrong.

      You can deflect all you want and make me the issue, but the fact is you tracked the number of new cases until they started to increase. Then you decided they no longer mattered. And I’m sure if they start to fall again in the near future, you will be back to noting that fact.

      No one is advocating for another shutdown, especially not me. However, noting that cases have risen recently is just acknowledging reality. You and AFL-CIO Republican Peter Navarro can claim it’s just about more testing, but it’s not. And the sad truth is the public views any increase or decrease in new cases as the key metric. Already, all airlines are seeing new bookings decrease again as new cases have increased. Gas use has decreased as well recently.

    159. jason says:

      something you followed until they started going up”

      Another lie.

      I post the number of cases EVERY night, exactly the same way.

      GFY.

    160. jason says:

      Let’s not forget you ran pitchaboy off 10 days ago because you (not a doctor) disagreed with him (an actual doctor) on a medical issue that you believed you understood better than him.”

      Huh, that was not me.

      GFY again.

    161. jason says:

      become one his more ardent supporters because he won”

      LOL

      Let me just check out today’s thread.

      Ardent supporter?

      “And I will put GWB’s conservative credentials against Trump’s any day.”

      “Trump was never a conservative. Not before his Presidency, not during it.”

      “Trump may be a lot of things, conservative is not one of them. Let’s not get carried away. Unless the AFL-CIO agenda of the last 60 years is “conservative”.

      “I won’t be having any trouble voting for Trump. Like I said, he is only here for the ride in this election. The stakes are much bigger than even his ego.”

      You can’t make this sh-t up.

    162. jason says:

      ou can deflect all you want and make me the issue, but the fact is you tracked the number of new cases until they started to increase. Then you decided they no longer mattered. And I’m sure if they start to fall again in the near future, you will be back to noting that fact.”

      Unhinged.

      jason says:
      July 6, 2020 at 9:44 pm

      June 29 deaths 366
      June 29 cases 44764

      July 6 deaths 378
      July 6 cases 50586

    163. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 1:20 pm
      he fewer the number of people who get coronavirus, the fewer coronavirus deaths there will be.”

      My God, THAT is really is a bald faced lie.

      – If fewer people get coronavirus, fewer people will die of coronavirus.

      Only at HHR could that statement ever be considered a bald faced lie.

      The CDC figures the mortality rate is .26% for coronavirus so let’s play a little game called math.

      If about 50,000 people contract coronavirus each day, about 130 of them will die.

      If about 20,000 people contract coronavirus each day, about 52 of them will die.

      If about 10,000 people contract coronavirus each day, about 26 of them will die.

      If about 5,000 people contract coronavirus each day, about 13 of them will die.

      See how that works? The smaller the number of the infected, the smaller the number of deaths.

    164. Chicon says:

      165 – totally agree. You have the most inconsistent and unpredictable positions here.

    165. Tina says:

      But it’s all about Muh cases, muh lockdowns, and muh school closures:

      Phil Kerpen
      @kerpen
      ·
      15m
      Redfield: 2.4% of COVID deaths under age 45, almost all with significant comorbidities. Without comorbities this virus has very limit pathogenicity.

    166. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 1:27 pm
      Here is what the MSM and Robbie neglect to tell you about cases.

      If NOBODY died of COVID-19, would we have shut down the economy and killed thousands of businesses and put millions out of work?

      Of course not. Yet Robbie comes up with this “gem”.

      “I view cases as the most important metric”

      The most important metric is of course deaths. The MSM’s most important metric is cases because it is politically driven. If the death rate was higher, both Robbie and the MSM would switch to deaths in a nanosecond.

      The hypocrisy is astounding.

      – Until we find a way to almost completely eliminate death (vaccine, treatment) as a result of contracting coronavirus, the number of cases will matter.

    167. Tina says:

      Knew gaslighters was going there:

      – Until we find a way to almost completely eliminate death (vaccine, treatment) as a result of contracting coronavirus, the number of cases will matter.

    168. jason says:

      When then realize Biden’s true positions he’s toast.

      That is the part I disagree with.

      I wish it were true, but don’t underestimate the damage that has been done by the left wing educational system and the MSM 24/7 brainwashing.

      Ideas that were kooky six months ago are mainstream now. The WAPO can actually advocate for eliminating 4th of July celebrations for “advancing colonialism” and CNN can advocate for destroying Mt. Rushmore because it was built by the KKK on Indian land.

      It is not a given that a plurality does not want socialism. Unfortunately.

    169. Robbie says:

      Chicon says:
      July 7, 2020 at 1:32 pm
      155 – this is what Robbie is really afraid of…..

      – It’s Dean Clancy. I’m not persuaded by much of anything he’s ever had to say. He also believed Matt Bevin would defeat Mitch McConnell in the 2014 Republican Senate primary.

      If the race has been transformed by Biden’s supporters going too far, then we should see it in the polls. So far, we haven’t.

    170. jason says:

      You have the most inconsistent and unpredictable positions here.”

      I like unpredictable.

      And my positions have been entirely consistent with my principles.

      Yes, I changed my view on Trump from the 2016 primaries based on how he governed. I don’t view that as inconsistent. I didn’t view him as fit for office. I was wrong. I have given him credit where I think he deserves it. Where I don’t agree with him, I have been clear also. Not sure where the “inconsistency” is exactly.

    171. Tina says:

      Thank goodness

      BNO Newsroom
      @BNODesk
      · 1m
      BREAKING: U.S. has officially withdrawn from the World Health Organization, U.S. Senator Menendez says

    172. jason says:

      If the race has been transformed by Biden’s supporters going too far, then we should see it in the polls. So far, we haven’t.”

      Way too early for the polls to be predictive of the election.

      And maybe we won’t see it in the polls, in which case Biden will win.

      I have said several times today it is very possible the electorate wants a new system.

      My point is that it will have little to do with Trump or Biden. This will not be a referendum on persons, but on ideology.

    173. NYCmike says:

      “Voting AGAINST Hillary was so much easier than voting FOR Trump will be. The real world sucks.”

      -Please stay tuned for Bitterlaw’s Daily Virtue Signaling Moment ….same Bitter channel, same Bitter time, sponsored by “Bitter’s Better Butter.”

    174. jason says:

      Until we find a way to almost completely eliminate death (vaccine, treatment) as a result of contracting coronavirus, the number of cases will matter.”

      Wow, straight from MSNBC.

      THat is what they say. Lockdown the entire country until there are are zero cases and zero deaths.

    175. NYCmike says:

      “Shallow? That’s a guy who opposed Trump every day during the 2016 primary and 2016 general election only to become one his more ardent supporters because he won.”

      -Robbie is back……then again, even during his sane April May period, I said he was the same old Pogo Loco character we all knew.

      Even jason was giving him leeway back then……oh well, I can bring the horses A-Hole to the water spot, but can’t make them turn around to drink if they won’t let me.

    176. Phil says:

      Yes. Too many cases. Must lock it down.

    177. jason says:

      ntil we find a way to almost completely eliminate death (vaccine, treatment)”

      Truly amazing.

      Robbie has adopted the most radical position, I mean not even Fauci has said this.

      The vaccine or a treatment could be years away.

      The idea that we cannot function without them is absurd. We don’t need a vaccine or a treatment, what we need is to manage the virus like we manage all other viruses.

      But it is the far left’s theory, and Robbie has swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

    178. NYCmike says:

      “– Until we find a way to almost completely eliminate death (vaccine, treatment) as a result of contracting coronavirus, the number of cases will matter.”

      -Someone tell Robbie he isn’t immortal……do it gently……and contact a psychiatrist at the same time…..soft music……speak softly…..

    179. Robbie says:

      I don’t think it’s too early for polls to be predictive. We’re inside four months now and early voting in some places will start in about three months. There’s not as much time as some think for Trump to turn things around. With so much voting likely to be done by mail-in/absentee, there may be few voters left to court in the last three weeks of the race. That’s when Trump won the race in 2016.

    180. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Widespread testing for coronavirus began relatively recently. We don’t know how many cases of CORVID-19 there are now relative to past months. Claims being made that the number of cases are rising may be the result of increased testing, and not that the rate of infection is increasing. Death rates and hospitalization rates are better indicators since we have records of both from past months.

    181. Tina says:

      Jordan Schachtel
      @JordanSchachtel
      ·
      16h
      You can separate advocates for further lockdown into four distinct groups
      1) Ignorant: The misinformed
      2) Hall monitors: Karens
      3) Money: People/orgs w interest in cashing in on the pandemic
      4) Politics: Power drunk politicians & political activists who think it will help Biden.

    182. jason says:

      Even jason was giving him leeway back then”

      Sue me. I thought he had decided maybe he didn’t want to live under socialism and that he no longer felt compelled to regurgitate MSM talking points here.

      If that was the case, I didn’t see any reason not to accept him, I even said look if he wants to contribute to the conversation instead of parroting the MSM great. I even stopped calling him amoral scumbag.

      But you were right, hyenas don’t change their spots, it is the same old tired hackneyed spin every election cycle (Dems will always win, Rs are terrible, the campaign is terrible, the polls are never wrong, etc. etc.).

      It is what it is.

    183. dblaikie says:

      The blunt fact is that if fatalities continue to fall, especially in face of rising cases, Covid 19 will quickly devolve into another flu. We all heard the med people months ago, “corona virus is much more deadly than the flu.” This falling death rate, if continued is huge! Couple that with a medicine like HCQ, yes I said HCQ, that further lowers death rate and a stake will be driven through “keep economy closed” mentality.

    184. Tina says:

      But muh cases.

      Phil Kerpen
      @kerpen
      ·
      16m
      Redfield repeatedly pointed out CDC never recommended school closures and has never thought schools were a significant risk or source of spread.

    185. Phil says:

      Yep. The Pretty clear the old Robbie is totally back.

      He actually had me fooled for a month or so. In all probability he more than likely never left.

      People don’t change. It’s against human nature.

    186. jason says:

      I don’t think it’s too early for polls to be predictive.”

      Way too early. Especially since the Dems are now running on changing the system, not defeating Trump.

      Whole new ballgame.

    187. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 1:59 pm
      Wow, straight from MSNBC.

      THat is what they say. Lockdown the entire country until there are are zero cases and zero deaths.

      – Did I say that? Nope. I think everyone in the country has accepted there is going to be a certain amount of risk for an extended period of time, but how willing people are to risk doing certain activities will absolutely depend on how active the number of new cases is. The more cases there are, the more deaths there will be (absent a treatment/vaccine). The fewer cases there are, the fewer deaths there will be.

      People are irrational creatures. Right now, a number of people still believe, regardless of the stats, if they get corona, they’ll be the one who ends up in the ICU or even dies.

    188. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 7, 2020 at 2:02 pm
      Yes. Too many cases. Must lock it down.

      – Honestly, do you really think that’s what I’m saying?

    189. jason says:

      Claims being made that the number of cases are rising may be the result of increased testing, and not that the rate of infection is increasing.”

      Exactly.

      And increased testing is finding more cases among the younger, more asymptomatic demographic, so the death rate will be very different from when it was predominantly in nursing homes.

      This not rocket science, but the MSM and the useful idiots like Robbie will not admit it because it doesn’t fit the anti-Trump narrative.

    190. Robbie says:

      NYCmike says:
      July 7, 2020 at 2:04 pm
      “– Until we find a way to almost completely eliminate death (vaccine, treatment) as a result of contracting coronavirus, the number of cases will matter.”

      -Someone tell Robbie he isn’t immortal……do it gently……and contact a psychiatrist at the same time…..soft music……speak softly…..

      – See 191.

    191. jason says:

      he fewer cases there are, the fewer deaths there will be.”

      Repeating this baldfaced lie does not make it true.

      The 7 day rolling average for deaths in the US declined from 908 a day on June 6 to 378 on July 6.

      This DESPITE an increase in the number of cases.

    192. jason says:

      Honestly, do you really think that’s what I’m saying?”

      It is EXACTLY what you and the MSM (same difference) are saying. I will even quote you:

      “Until we find a way to almost completely eliminate death (vaccine, treatment) as a result of contracting coronavirus, the number of cases will matter.”

      In other words, lockdowns forever until these arbitrary and fake benchmarks are reached.

      The message should be different. If you weren’t just interested in scoring cheap political points against Trump, here is what you would advocate.

      “As long as the health care system can handle the sick, and the vulnerable population in nursing homes are protected, and the people with co-morbidities take reasonable precautions, there is no reason society cannot move on and return to at least a degree of normalcy”.

    193. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 7, 2020 at 2:11 pm
      Yep. The Pretty clear the old Robbie is totally back.

      He actually had me fooled for a month or so. In all probability he more than likely never left.

      People don’t change. It’s against human nature.

      – Why? Because I wrote something with which you disagree?

      It’s nonsense to believe the rising number of new cases over the last three weeks hasn’t caused the public to slow down or back off from certain activities. High frequency indicators like gas usage, airline reservations, and restaurant reservations have slowed or modestly declined.

      And whether this forum likes it or not, the metric the public seems to consider most important is the number of new cases each day. The public’s change in how it viewed whether the coronavirus outbreak was improving or not improving matched almost perfectly with the increase in new cases. See the Gallup data.

      I’m not sure why it’s controversial to say this unless this forum has decided that any news considered not good is controversial. I’m not saying the world’s about to end, but I am saying it’s wrong to assume rising new cases has no role in how the public feels.

      And it’s also a mistake to realize that many people are irrational when it comes to corona. I know more than a few who are afraid to leave the house most days? Why? They believe, regardless of statistics, they’ll be the ones who end up in the hospital or even dead.

      The panic of this outbreak has decreased, but it hasn’t ended. Eventually, people will realize the chances of death or serious complications are nil, but they haven’t yet.

    194. Chicon says:

      191 – this what you said….

      “I view cases as the most important metric. The fewer the number of people who get coronavirus, the fewer coronavirus deaths there will be.”

      Seems clear you think cases is more important than deaths or hospitalizations.

    195. Gordon Allen says:

      Jason having a teacher as a wife and in retirement been a Substitute Teacher I know whereof you speak. But opinion polls from the same electorate STRONGLY oppose free medical care for illegals,open borders, government takeover of medicine ( separate from insurance) etc. I think those in metal industry and the energy sector will be aghast at the attack on drilling and the energy sector. They support protecting our monuments etc. They are not yet focused on Biden’s association with these issues…yet The widespread hostility to China is going to be a sleeper issue too. Don’t despair. But education needs a total overhaul and not just dollars I grant you,

    196. Robbie says:

      Chicon says:
      July 7, 2020 at 2:30 pm
      191 – this what you said….

      “I view cases as the most important metric. The fewer the number of people who get coronavirus, the fewer coronavirus deaths there will be.”

      Seems clear you think cases is more important than deaths or hospitalizations.

      – Yes, I do. As I wrote in 167, you won’t potentially end up in the hospital or dead from coronavirus if you never get it.

      The more cases there are, the more hospitalizations and death there will be. Thankfully, neither seems too high for coronavirus, but as I wrote in 197 people are irrational. Many believe, regardless of the statistics, they’ll be the one who ends up in the hospital in the ICU or dead if they get it.

      The panic over corona has decreased, but it hasn’t gone away.

    197. lisab says:

      We’re already in a sharp and deep recession. You don’t need a measure of GDP a few months from now to tell you what you already know. Unfortunately, the speed with which this spiraling out of control suggests we could endure a depression (4 quarters of negative growth) especially if we don’t knock out the transmission of virus now.

    198. lisab says:

      I think those in metal industry and the energy sector will be aghast at the attack on drilling and the energy sector.
      —————————–

      auto sector: they really only want public transport

      housing sector: no single family housing

      airline sector: sorry, only some people get to fly

      dairy sector: cow slavery!

      beef, poultry & fish sector: sorry only vegetarians please

      can you say carbon tax?

    199. Country Dick Montana says:

      “The 7 day rolling average for deaths in the US declined from 908 a day on June 6 to 378 on July 6.”

      Might be a typo here. 7 day average was 517 deaths. 3 day was 302. 378 was that day. That said it is still a 77% decrease from the peak of 2255 in April.

      It isn’t going to go away and by the end of July we will probably be at a little over 400 a day. By the end of August 200 a day and by the end of September 100 a day.

    200. lisab says:

      you know how businesses have been all shut down and everyone has had to cut back on everything?

      global co2 levels are UP, almost like they have nothing to do with the economy

      so biden is going to have to REALLY cut back on emissions to bring the levels down

    201. lisab says:

      That said it is still a 77% decrease from the peak of 2255 in April.
      ——————-

      yeah but cases are up

      don’t you read robbie’s posts?

    202. Chicon says:

      200 – so, you’re really mostly concerned about hospitalizations and deaths, but don’t find metrics on deaths and hospitalizations most important for deaths and hospitalizations?

      Your logic is interesting.

    203. Country Dick Montana says:

      ” I think those in metal industry and the energy sector will be aghast at the attack on drilling and the energy sector.”

      We are. But one thing that has me scratching my head is why is Warren Buffett(a Democrat) spending 4 billion of Berkshire’s cash along with the assumption of almost 6 billion of debt for Dominion’s gas infrastructure?

    204. Tina says:

      Breaking.

      The reopening of the U.S. economy in May saw a frenetic pace of hiring never before seen in a single month, according to the Labor Department’s Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey, or JOLTS, released Tuesday

      The number of hires, which includes employees rehired to jobs in business shuttered during lockdowns, soared a record 2.44 million to 6.5 million, the highest monthly number ever recorded in data stretching back to the turn of the century.

      https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/07/07/hires-surged-to-all-time-high-and-job-openings-unexpected-soared-in-may/

    205. jason says:

      Might be a typo here. 7 day average was 517 deaths. 3 day was 302. 378 was that day”

      You are correct.

    206. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      185. “4) Politics: Power drunk politicians & political activists who think it will help Biden.”

      Agree, a lot of Democratic strategists want to reinstitute lockdowns because they believe it will help defeat Trump. They are using the increased number of cases to justify it, despite falling death rates.

    207. jason says:

      And whether this forum likes it or not, the metric the public seems to consider most important is the number of new cases each day.”

      Hilarious.

      MSM and Robbie: CASES OUT OF CONTROL. SKY IS FALLING. ARMAGEDDON IS HERE. LOCKDOWN EVERYTHING.

      MSM and Robbie: PUBLIC SEEMS TO CONSIDER CASES MOST IMPORTANT.

      You can’t make this sh-t up.

    208. jason says:

      Agree, a lot of Democratic strategists want to reinstitute lockdowns because they believe it will help defeat Trump. They are using the increased number of cases to justify it, despite falling death rates.”

      And Robbie repeats this here 40 times a day, but remember, he wants to keep his job.

    209. Tina says:

      Not Muh cases?

      Peoples_Pundit
      @Peoples_Pundit
      ·
      2h
      Something changed/is changing in the polling this past week and current week.

      One major change, the economy took over healthcare as the top voting issue.

    210. Robbie says:

      Chicon says:
      July 7, 2020 at 2:57 pm
      200 – so, you’re really mostly concerned about hospitalizations and deaths, but don’t find metrics on deaths and hospitalizations most important for deaths and hospitalizations?

      Your logic is interesting.

      – No, my logic is just fine. If you don’t contract coronavirus, you won’t end up in the hospital from coronavirus or dead from coronavirus.

      If 5,000 a day contract coronavirus, only 13 or so of those 5,000 will probably die.

      If 50,000 a day contract coronavirus, then about 130 or so of those 50,000 will probably die.

      Fewer cases leads to fewer hospitalizations and fewer deaths. Only at HHR could a statement like that be classified as a bald faced lie or interesting logic.

      Also, I’m acknowledging how things are viewed by the public at large and not how I wish/want things to be viewed by the public. Sure, I wish death was the measure, but it’s not right now. Eventually, it will be the measure, but it may be a while before the public comes to that conclusion.

      A few years from now when we have a vaccine and very effective treatments, none of this will matter just as none of it matters from November to April when we have flu season. But right now it sure does because a lot people just aren’t willing to re-engage with certain aspects of life. It’s irrational, but that’s part of being human.

    211. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 3:06 pm
      And whether this forum likes it or not, the metric the public seems to consider most important is the number of new cases each day.”

      Hilarious.

      MSM and Robbie: CASES OUT OF CONTROL. SKY IS FALLING. ARMAGEDDON IS HERE. LOCKDOWN EVERYTHING.

      MSM and Robbie: PUBLIC SEEMS TO CONSIDER CASES MOST IMPORTANT.

      – Point to a single instance where I have said we need to reinstitute a lockdown.

      You won’t find one because I haven’t done it and you know it.

    212. Chicon says:

      Lower cases may lead to lower deaths and hospitalizations.

      Lower deaths and hospitalizations ARE lower deaths and hospitalizations.

    213. jason says:

      The more cases there are, the more hospitalizations and death there will be. ”

      Goebbels would be proud.

      This lie has now been repeated here, what, 6 times?

      But it is complete and utter nonsense.

      You can have 10 cases in a nursing home affecting 10 80 yr olds with medical issues and 10 deaths.

      You can have 200 cases affecting heatlhy 30 year olds at a bar and have 0 deaths.

      More cases, fewer deaths is good, not bad. Unless you want to make a political statement.

    214. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 3:07 pm
      Agree, a lot of Democratic strategists want to reinstitute lockdowns because they believe it will help defeat Trump. They are using the increased number of cases to justify it, despite falling death rates.”

      And Robbie repeats this here 40 times a day, but remember, he wants to keep his job.

      – Well, with reduced schedules, I flew 8 total flights ( about 12 hours) in June. In a normal month before this happened, I’d fly about 75 hours or so in a month. Sometimes more if I picked up overtime.

    215. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      207. The global use of natural gas will increase by more than 40% by 2050, despite all the talk about renewables, whose actual energy output is limited and intermittant. There is a reason Germany, which claims to be shifting to renewable energy use, supported the $10 billion dollar Nord Stream natural gas pipeline from Russia despite U.S. sanctions. From the EIA:

      “Global natural gas consumption increases more than 40% between 2018 and 2050, and total consumption reaches nearly 200 quadrillion Btu by 2050. In addition to the natural gas used in electricity generation, natural gas consumption increases in the industrial sector. Chemical and primary metals manufacturing, as well as oil and natural gas extraction, account for most of the growing industrial demand.”

    216. jason says:

      Lower cases may lead to lower deaths and hospitalizations.”

      May, yes.

      But of course it all depends who the cases are affecting, not the number of cases.

      New York had 423k cases, 32k deaths.

      Florida had 213k cases, 4k deaths.

    217. Tina says:

      Don’t worry Governor Whitler has threatened new lockdowns.

    218. Chicon says:

      220 – hey, I’m with you. I believe that the most important metric for deaths and hospitalizations is….wait for it. … deaths and hospitalizations.

    219. jason says:

      It is better to have 50k cases a day and 250 deaths than 15k cases a day and 750 deaths.

      Only a moron like Robbie thinks otherwise.

      That is why his arbitrary “15k a day” benchmark is so asinine.

    220. Robbie says:

      Ok. Then I guess we could have, hypothetically, a million cases a day and it would have no impact on public behavior. Everyone would just go about their merry way. That’s what everyone here seems to be saying.

      The problem is this isn’t a well understood illness that’s been part of our lives for thousands of years like the flu. We found out about it six months ago. The initial way we treated it (with quick ventilation) proved to be incorrect. Only within the last month or so, have steroids become a key tool.

      I would agree with everyone here that hospitalization and death should be the key metrics if this was an illness we’d lived with with a for a long time and was well understood by doctors and researchers. But that’s not the case. A couple of years from now, that will be the case, but it isn’t now.

    221. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      214. “I’m acknowledging how things are viewed by the public at large and not how I wish/want things to be viewed by the public.”

      It is the Democrat Governors and press that are pushing the number of cases as being the metric that will determine if we should go into lockdown again. Restaurants were closed in California for three weeks and other lockdown measures put in place again because of the increase in cases.

    222. jason says:

      So Robbie agrees that if not for the dishonest, partisan, crooked, biased MSM the public might be looking at this differently?

      Wow, that is progress I guess.

    223. Robbie says:

      SanDiegoCitizen says:
      July 7, 2020 at 3:28 pm
      214. “I’m acknowledging how things are viewed by the public at large and not how I wish/want things to be viewed by the public.”

      It is the Democrat Governors and press that are pushing the number of cases as being the metric that will determine if we should go into lockdown again.

      – The high frequency data shows people have been pulling back from activities they were doing once again as cases started to rise/spike/surge (whatever word you like) a few weeks ago.

      I don’t support closing anything again. I think it should be up to each individual, but that’s not the issue here.

      The issue is whether the number of new cases is causing certain behaviors to change. I say they are and clearly the data suggests that.

      Some here are trying to say the number of new cases isn’t impacting how people choose to live their lives and I think the evidence suggest otherwise.

      Because so many in this forum just want to fight for the sake of fighting, innocuous statements like “fewer cases mean fewer deaths” becomes controversial.

      Can someone die of coronavirus if he/she never gets coronavirus?

    224. jason says:

      Fewer cases leads to fewer hospitalizations and fewer deaths. Only at HHR could a statement like that be classified as a bald faced lie or interesting logic.”

      No, since it is a blatant falsehood easily disproved by the statistics it should be labeled a bald faced lie by any honest evaluation.

      New Jersey 176k cases 15k deaths
      Texas 210k cases 2.7k deaths

    225. jason says:

      nnocuous statements like “fewer cases mean fewer deaths” becomes controversial.

      It is not innocuous.

      It is part of a propaganda campaign by the MSM to frighten people and to get useful idiots like you to believe in.

      We can easily see from the data that the number of cases IS NOT related to the number of deaths.

      If it was we would have had 3000 deaths a day like we had when we last saw 40k + cases.

    226. Country Dick Montana says:

      “– The high frequency data”

      Call me dense, but what is high frequency data? it sounds very technical.

    227. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 3:31 pm
      So Robbie agrees that if not for the dishonest, partisan, crooked, biased MSM the public might be looking at this differently?

      Wow, that is progress I guess.

      – Yes and no. The press has been awful. They’re using corona as a weapon against Trump and the public in general. But even if they weren’t, I think a lot of people would still be scared about contracting something none of us knew existed six months ago.

      As I’ve said, we’re living through a period of panic. It’s not what it was four months ago, thankfully, but there’s clearly still some panic out there. Rightly or wrongly, a certain segment of people still believe if they get coronavirus, they will die. It’s irrational and it will go away eventually, but it hasn’t yet.

      So when these same people see the number of cases going up (hopefully it won’t last long), they convince themselves they’ll be the ones to get infected and then die if they do X or go to Y.

    228. lisab says:

      If 50,000 a day contract coronavirus, then about 130 or so of those 50,000 will probably die.
      ————————

      the death rate in nj is 171 per 100,000 (highest)
      the death rate in wa is 18 per 100,000 (median)
      the death rate in hi is 1 per 100,000 (lowest)

      in no case would 130 probably die, and most likely significantly less

    229. Tina says:

      Breaking

      There are now 4 vaccine candidates, one That may be available this fall.

      Sec Alazar. @ re opening schools event

    230. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Here is the experience of Sweden with testing. Last month those who hated the Swedish approach claimed an increase in cases was because the country failed to have a lockdown.

      “Sweden’s daily tally of new COVID-19 cases fell to its lowest since late May on Tuesday, a sharp reversal from June when expanded testing fuelled record numbers in a country that drew global attention for its rejection of a lockdown.
      Cases in the Nordic country have declined sharply over the past few days and on Tuesday only 283 new cases were recorded.
      That contrasts with a torrid month of June when daily numbers ran as high as 1,800, eclipsing rates across much of Europe, even as deaths and hospitalizations continued to decline from peaks in April.
      Sweden was slow to ramp up testing for any but the seriously ill and healthcare workers, but weekly numbers for tests have more than doubled since late may, putting the country in the same bracket as extensively testing nations such as Germany.
      Health Agency Director General Johan Carlson said the slow expansion of testing had left the country with a “testing debt” that produced a surge in cases when thousands with mostly mild symptoms rushed to get the tests suddenly available to them.”

    231. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      July 7, 2020 at 3:39 pm
      “– The high frequency data”

      Call me dense, but what is high frequency data? it sounds very technical.

      – Things like gasoline usage over the last week, restaurant reservations, Google/Apple mobility data, and airline ticket reservations/cancellations.

    232. jason says:

      April 21 40000 cases 2749 deaths

      July 3 58000 cases 626 deaths

    233. Tina says:

      Actually looks like the one vaccine candidate MAY MAY be available by September.

    234. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 7, 2020 at 3:41 pm
      Breaking

      There are now 4 vaccine candidates, one That may be available this fall.

      Sec Alazar. @ re opening schools event

      – AstraZeneca will most likely win the race. Sarah Gilbert, who developed the vaccine candidate at Oxford University, said on Good Friday she thought it could be ready by early September.

    235. jason says:

      So pretty obvious that “fewer cases, fewer deaths” is complete and utter hogwash.

    236. lisab says:

      the death rate in ca is 16 per 100,000 (highest)
      the death rate in tx is 9 per 100,000 (median)

    237. Tina says:

      Sec Alazar

      Testing is improving outcomes.

      We have the best tests and we can test quickly. We are testing those without symptoms. Most Euro countries are not.

      There are therapeutics that are now available that we’re not four months ago.

      The treatments are helping.

      Look for vaccine by September

      Antibody cocktails soon,

    238. lisab says:

      should be

      the death rate in ca is 16 per 100,000
      the death rate in tx is 9 per 100,000

    239. jason says:

      We don’t need a vaccine.

      What we need is non-politicized coverage of the pandemic.

    240. Tina says:

      Seems like they are modifying vent settings too.

      Seems like NY, NJ Docs improperly used too high of a setting.

    241. lisab says:

      so if you found 50000 cases in ca

      8 would likely die

      of course they don’t use hydroxychloroqine

    242. Robbie says:

      FOX5 Las Vegas
      @FOX5Vegas
      @realDonaldTrump said, “I’ll hold you to it, September.” Members of the round table laughed, including Azar, but no date of vaccine availability was given by @SecAzar.

    243. Tina says:

      Agar said by fall.

      Trump said by September.

      We will hold you to it,

      Then they all laughed.

      Trump can do it because they made good investments in it and the military will distribute.

      He fixed the testing, PPE, etc. shortcomings by the previous administration.

    244. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 7, 2020 at 3:52 pm
      Agar said by fall.

      Trump said by September.

      – Are you following a particular account for this info or watching the event on TV?

    245. jason says:

      I am skeptical about the “people are doing less ” BS.

      The lower “metrics” probably just relate to the more recent shutdowns in CA, TX and FL and quarantines imposed on travelers, not any “increased fear of COVID”.

      I bet more people are engaging in activities outside the home, not less.

    246. jason says:

      Trump would be foolish to lock himself into we will have a vaccine, especially by a certain date.

      We don’t need a vaccine or treatment to return to normalcy, what we need is just common sense precautions and non-politicized coverage.

      Otherwise you are just buying into MSM propaganda like the type Robbie is regurgitating here.

    247. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 3:59 pm
      Trump would be foolish to lock himself into we will have a vaccine, especially by a certain date.

      We don’t need a vaccine or treatment to return to normalcy, what we need is just common sense precautions and non-politicized coverage.

      Otherwise you are just buying into MSM propaganda like the type Robbie is regurgitating here.

      – If you’re a restaurant owner relegated to 50% capacity, is that normalcy? If you’re a cruise line that can’t operate, is that normalcy? If you’re a bar owner who’s been closed again, is that normalcy? If you’re an airline that’s seen a 75% reduction in reservations, is that normalcy? If you’re Alabama and have a football stadium that seats almost 100,000, but may be limited to just 50,000, is that normalcy?

      I understand what you’re saying, but there are large parts of swaths of economic life that can’t fully resume without something like a vaccine.

    248. Gordon Allen says:

      For all those waiting with nated breath my wife and I got our COVD COVD test results back. Negative- after SEVEN days!! Earlier today I called the lab to complain about the delay. After waiting forever,the harried lady at the lab apologized but said they’re swamped. I think we’re maxing out on the testing.

    249. jason says:

      I understand what you’re saying, but there are large parts of swaths of economic life that can’t fully resume without something like a vaccine.”

      BS.

      In Europe cruise lines are already operating.

      “Ryanair has announced it plans to restore 40 per cent of its flights from 1 July, subject to travel restrictions being lifted with the EU and airports putting safety measures in place.

      Almost 1,000 flights per day will be in operation, with the airline bringing back nearly all of its pre-coronavirus route network.”

      Life goes on, if you don’t just listen to left wing propaganda.

    250. jason says:

      f you’re Alabama and have a football stadium that seats almost 100,000, but may be limited to just 50,000, is that normalcy?”

      Yes.

    251. Tina says:

      Watching the event

      It sounds like there may be an antibody cocktail sooner.

    252. Tina says:

      Covid negative too.

      Took 4 days in SF. I got the result last night.

    253. Scooterboy says:

      I honestly don’t know why any of you take Robbie seriously. I’ve been telling you for a week now that he is a scam artist. He tells you he is undecided, but his posts tell a different story. He says he’s a Republican, but he constantly comes here and regurgitates the MSM talking points.
      I guess his constant BS can be entertaining, as long as you realize it’s all BS.

    254. Phil says:

      Tina, had you been feeling ill?

    255. NYCmike says:

      “I honestly don’t know why any of you take Robbie seriously. I’ve been telling you for a week now that he is a scam artist.”

      Scooter,

      I said that at the height of the Wuhan, when he somehow was making sense.

      This is one crazy year!

    256. NYCmike says:

      “– If you’re a restaurant owner relegated to 50% capacity, is that normalcy? If you’re a cruise line that can’t operate, is that normalcy? If you’re a bar owner who’s been closed again, is that normalcy? If you’re an airline that’s seen a 75% reduction in reservations, is that normalcy? If you’re Alabama and have a football stadium that seats almost 100,000, but may be limited to just 50,000, is that normalcy?”

      -Here he goes again.

      Did the Lincoln Project write this for you?

    257. NYCmike says:

      “So pretty obvious that “fewer cases, fewer deaths” is complete and utter hogwash.”

      -Not until it gets down to 15k a day!!

    258. lisab says:

      helpful hint: don’t marry amber heard

    259. NYCmike says:

      “Call me dense, but what is high frequency data? it sounds very technical.”

      -This is another data point which Robbie and the MSM will use to say that Trump is doing a terrible job.

    260. Stonewall DW says:

      Roanoke College just dropped a new poll of Trump job approval: 44/47 among 1917 adults.

    261. Tina says:

      Phil

      Cough, runny nose, and ear pain.

      No fever.

      Probably just allergies.

    262. lisab says:

      juan williams

      easy access to guns responsible for recent increase in murders

    263. lisab says:

      amber heard is a psycho

      when you are the problem in a marriage to johnny depp

      you really need to reaccess your life

    264. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      A vaccine by September? Viruses are pretty tricky. They have been working on a treatment for CORVID-19 since the beginning of the year, and yet as of now their is no universally accepted treatment. If what I am hearing is correct, there is no approved vaccine for any other coronavirus, so they are heading into new territory. Maybe they will get lucky, and find one before 2021. But the odds are against it.

    265. Stonewall DW says:

      Juan Williams is about as stupid as you can get.

    266. lisab says:

      Juan Williams is about as stupid as you can get.
      ——————–

      nah … haven’t you been reading robbie’s posts?

    267. Tina says:

      More please, and trump needs to retweet’s this when he can.

      Kerri Kupec DOJ
      @KerriKupecDOJ
      ·
      3m
      7 people arrested, facing charges after attacking fed law officers protecting courthouse via “aerial fireworks including mortars; high intensity lasers targeting officers’ eyes; thrown rocks, bottles, and balloons filled with paint from demonstrators.”

    268. jason says:

      I guess his constant BS can be entertaining, as long as you realize it’s all BS.”

      It is all BS.

    269. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      266. “easy access to guns responsible for recent increase in murders”

      I spend much of my time in the Mountain West, and there are guns everywhere. They are carried openly. Yet a very low murder rate. Its not a gun problem; its a people problem. Am all in favor of disarming gangsters and stop and frisk. But both policies have been attacked by liberals, found illegal by leftist judges.

    270. Robbie says:

      Scooterboy says:
      July 7, 2020 at 4:33 pm
      I honestly don’t know why any of you take Robbie seriously. I’ve been telling you for a week now that he is a scam artist.

      – Scam artists are poll unskewers.

    271. Robbie says:

      NYCmike says:
      July 7, 2020 at 4:49 pm
      “Call me dense, but what is high frequency data? it sounds very technical.”

      -This is another data point which Robbie and the MSM will use to say that Trump is doing a terrible job.

      – I’ve been quite clear I don’t blame Trump for coronavirus. It’s an act of God and I don’t know what more he could have done.

    272. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      272. Its like watching a rerun. Same concerned troll talking points that were used in the past. He needs new material.

    273. Robbie says:

      Kris Van Cleave
      @krisvancleave

      @united told employees Tri-State quarantine resulted in rapid decline in bookings. Bookings in general have trended down a bit since June 24th, Newark bookings dropped from about -68% to -84%. Non-EWR bookings dropped from around -70% to -73%. This as capacity is being added.

      – Like I have said, the recent rise in cases is having an impact.

    274. Country Dick Montana says:

      “It’s an act of God and I don’t know what more he could have done.”

      The Almighty has unleashed His share of plagues. But this one is on the Chinese. It seems Trump is starting to hit that message hard.

    275. lisab says:

      “easy access to guns responsible for recent increase in murders”
      ————————————

      more guns = more deaths

      if you add 1,000,000 guns to montana, and the murder rate by gunshot is 3.2 pr 100,000 …

      then you will have 32 more murders

      stands to reason

    276. Country Dick Montana says:

      “Tri-State quarantine resulted in rapid decline in bookings.”

      I think that one is on the Blue State Governors who after spreading Covid 19 throughout the rest of the US are now claiming some sort of high ground. Probably need to take it up with them.

      BTW, flew last week. Half full planes are great! At lot more enjoyable trip.

    277. Robbie says:

      SanDiegoCitizen says:
      July 7, 2020 at 5:23 pm
      272. Its like watching a rerun. Same concerned troll talking points that were used in the past. He needs new material.

      – The rerun is watching the same people have the same reactions to views they don’t want to hear.

      The rerun is watching the same people engage in the same behavior they did in 2008 and 2012 when the polls told them something they didn’t to believe or accept.

      The rerun is watching people unskew polls or cherry pick polls when they don’t gibe with what they want the polls to say.

    278. lisab says:

      yeah sdc,

      robbie is just afraid you have not heard cnn’s talking points

    279. lisab says:

      uh oh …

      big boy is replacing their “big boy” mascot, who is a white boy

      with a more culturally appropriate female character

      “dolly”

    280. Country Dick Montana says:

      https://www.foxnews.com/media/liberal-writers-activists-open-letter-call-to-end-cancel-culture

      Liberals/progressives figuring out that they are beginning to eat their own…or they themselves are becoming the meal to those on the fringes.

    281. NYCmike says:

      I asked my niece, who has been vocal about supporting BLM, and also a YUGE Broadway fan, about potentially cancelling Hamilton and Lin-Miranda……I enjoyed her confused look and stammering non-reply of “I can’t comment on something that I don’t know to be true.”.

      I love it when real life suddenly comes at you full-speed!

    282. jason says:

      or cherry pick polls”

      I think this already got the Chutzpah Award last week.

      Nobody here cherry picks polls more than Robbie.

      Nobody.

    283. Bitterlaw says:

      NYC hates it when I point out that Trump is a scumbag. I wonder why.

      It is not virtue signaling to point out that Trump is a scumbag. It is just stating the obvious.

    284. Cash Cow TM says:

      Well one good thing of the economy shut down for eighty eleven months is that the air quality is MUCH better!

      Right?
      Deaths due to global warming HAVE to be WAY down!

    285. jason says:

      “Tri-State quarantine resulted in rapid decline in bookings.”

      And this gets the “Dishonest Use of Selective Data” award, showing that Robbie doesn’t just manipulate polling data to fit his narrative.

      In the non-fake news world, where Robbie never goes, airline traffic continues to increase, and yesterday and July 2nd a record number of people flew since the low point in the pandemic.

      Here are the numbers. Robbie is a lying POS.

      https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput

    286. jason says:

      If Trump is a scumbag then Joe Biden is an even bigger scumbag.

      Fair is fair.

    287. Cash Cow TM says:

      This afternoon, went with Walt and his missus to pick up a big arsed, heavy, garden statue (and big base) being given away by Walt’s wife’s friend.

      The concrete statue itself is about 30 inches high.
      It is of a young boy.
      ###################################
      I think it looks very much like a young Robert E. Lee or John S. Mosby.

      Got more research to do…

    288. jason says:

      he rerun is watching the same people have the same reactions to views they don’t want to hear.”

      Nah. The rerun is the same old hackneyed shtick every election cycle.

      Bitter said it best, Robbie wants Republicans to win, just not the ones on the ballot.

    289. jason says:

      I think it looks very much like a young Robert E. Lee or John S. Mosby.”

      Walt is modest.

      He knows the statue is of him.

    290. UgandanAttorney says:

      The Roanoke College poll is further evidence of a significant split between IVR polling and live caller/online polling.

      Rasmussen will be releasing a head-to-head poll tomorrow. So we will see if this trend in disparity will continue.

    291. jason says:

      or cherry pick polls”

      I challenge anyone to find a poll favorable to Trump where Robbie was the first to post it.

      Versus a hundred he was the first to post that were unfavorable.

      The other day someone posted a poll that was good for Trump. Robbie immediately went to his left wing sources to find one that wasn’t. Probably didn’t take 5 minutes. Hilarious.

    292. jason says:

      more guns = more deaths”

      Sounds like Robbie’s fake news analysis on COVID.

      New Jersey 176k cases 15k deaths
      Texas 210k cases 2.7k deaths

    293. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 6:50 pm
      or cherry pick polls”

      I think this already got the Chutzpah Award last week.

      Nobody here cherry picks polls more than Robbie.

      Nobody.

      – Yes. By constantly referring to the RCP average, I’m cherry picking polls.

    294. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 6:58 pm
      “Tri-State quarantine resulted in rapid decline in bookings.”

      And this gets the “Dishonest Use of Selective Data” award, showing that Robbie doesn’t just manipulate polling data to fit his narrative.

      In the non-fake news world, where Robbie never goes, airline traffic continues to increase, and yesterday and July 2nd a record number of people flew since the low point in the pandemic.

      Here are the numbers. Robbie is a lying POS.

      https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput

      – Take it up with United Airlines, Jason. I think they have a better gauge on their upcoming bookings than you do.

    295. Tina says:

      The tsa passenger count is up to over 755000 as of yesterday. Highest since 3/18 or 3/19.

    296. jason says:

      Heh… Babylon Bee

      Sad: Democrat Leaders Struggling To Enforce Lockdowns After Getting Rid Of All The Police

    297. Tina says:

      Team Arkansascide has a great record in overcoming this.

      Josh Caplan
      @joshdcaplan
      ·
      7h
      NY POST: Highest-ever security team monitoring Ghislaine Maxwell in jail

    298. jason says:

      The tsa passenger count is up to over 755000 as of yesterday.”

      I know, terrible blow to Robbie.

      After all, the MSM told him everyone is scared of COVID’s “surge in cases” and staying home.

      But remember, he is rooting for air traffic to go down at the same time he wants to keep his job.

    299. jason says:

      Ghislaine is safe.

      Babylon Bee says famous Italian prison guard, Hiluigi Clintonelli was hired by the FBI to protect her.

    300. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 7:29 pm
      The tsa passenger count is up to over 755000 as of yesterday.”

      I know, terrible blow to Robbie.

      – The TSA passenger count tells us what happened yesterday.

      United Airlines is telling us what they’re seeing in the future.

      Why is this so hard to understand?

    301. Robbie says:

      And by the way, United is not saying their booking are collapsing. They’re saying they’re seeing some softening in future booking as new cases have increased, especially in and out of Newark. Does that really surprise anyone?

    302. lisab says:

      The tsa passenger count is up to over 755000 as of yesterday.”

      at a 0.26% fatality rate

      that means something like 1963 will die

    303. Scooterboy says:

      NAACP “The rise in violent crime is the fault of the police who are shirking their duties as a way to get back at BLM”

      It seems to me you can’t have it both ways.

    304. Tina says:

      United probably wants bail out $$$.

    305. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 7, 2020 at 8:07 pm
      United probably wants bail out $$$.

      – So does American, Delta, Southwest, Spirit, JetBlue, Allegiant, and the myriad of regional carriers. More than 50,000 airline employees (pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, etc.) could be furloughed one month before election day.

    306. jason says:

      They’re saying they’re seeing some softening in future booking as new cases have increased, especially in and out of Newark”

      Wow, what an absolute tragedy.

      Let’s shut everything down!

    307. jason says:

      Robbie picks one airport out of thousands to make the case the end is near.

      You can’t make this sh-t up.

      When air traffic IN THE ENTIRE U.S. starts going down to the worst levels of the pandemic we can worry.

      Until then, nobody is jumping out of windows because of a “softening in Newark” by one airline.

    308. jason says:

      If a governor requires people from another state to quarantine, that might have an effect on travel between those two particular states.

      It doesn’t mean people are afraid to travel because of a surge in cases. It means they are kept from traveling because some Dem governor made it impossible.

    309. jason says:

      And by the way, United is not saying their booking are collapsing. ”

      Poor Robbie oozes disappointment as he writes this.

    310. Country Dick Montana says:

      So travel to Newark is down because people from other states don’t want to put up with a mandatory quarantine. Robbie, that is an edict from the idiot Governors, not from people not wanting to flay. They simply don’t want to fly to Newark.

    311. Phil says:

      Bad day with a thousand new deaths.

      Expected. Playing three day catch up…..Mississippi didn’t have 44 people die today. It was over three days. Arizona didn’t have 118 people die in one day – did another death certificate review all the way back to April and grew in a bunch in today’s total.

      Tomorrow we should be back around 600 again.

    312. Country Dick Montana says:

      Actually I kind of liked flying in the Pandemic. Reminded me of flying under the old CAB. Lots of room on the airplane. More like luxury than a cattle car.

    313. jason says:

      NOTE
      California: Los Angeles County reported 4,015 new cases today with the note: “The high number of cases are, in part, due to a backlog of about 2,000 test results received from one lab who just submitted lab results from July 2-5 today”

    314. Tina says:

      Phil, AZ reported 52 from death certificate matches from April.

      AZ Reported 1 death yesterday.

    315. Cash Cow TM says:

      “Walt is modest.
      He knows the statue is of him.”

      Nah.
      This statue boy has more meat on his bones and buns than Walt did when he was a kid. Plus his hair is different.

      (Did I mention that the statue has BARE butt cheeks of the boy?)

    316. Cash Cow TM says:

      “More like luxury than a cattle car.”

      I can tell you all you want to know about cattle cars. There was no room to MOO-ve!

    317. jason says:

      NFL STAR DESEAN JACKSON POSTS FAKE HITLER QUOTE CLAIMING ‘WHITE JEWS’ WILL ‘EXTORT AMERICA’ IN A ‘PLAN FOR WORLD DOMINATION.’

    318. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 8:37 pm
      They’re saying they’re seeing some softening in future booking as new cases have increased, especially in and out of Newark”

      Wow, what an absolute tragedy.

      Let’s shut everything down!

      – I enjoy watching you put words in my mouth I never said.

    319. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 8:39 pm
      Robbie picks one airport out of thousands to make the case the end is near.

      – First, the comments were made at a townhall in the tri-state area so of course there would be a focus on United’s hub in the region, Newark.

      Second, Untied said “Bookings in general have trended down a bit since June 24th”. That means across the board.

    320. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      July 7, 2020 at 8:47 pm
      So travel to Newark is down because people from other states don’t want to put up with a mandatory quarantine. Robbie, that is an edict from the idiot Governors, not from people not wanting to flay. They simply don’t want to fly to Newark.

      – United said “Bookings in general have trended down a bit since June 24th.”

    321. Phil says:

      F the NFL. Do they really think they are going to keep their fan base in tact by playing and standing for the Black national anthem and then having both teams taking a knee for the Regular national anthem plus putting BLM decals on their helmets? ….plus Goodell says he has some more social justice goodies planned. Can’t wait!!

      I’ll take college football. Of course in the northeast there are no alternatives to the NFL in cites like NY and Philadelphia.

      Tough. The rest of us have options.

    322. Phil says:

      The official number for today ended up at 994.

    323. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 7, 2020 at 8:56 pm
      NOTE
      California: Los Angeles County reported 4,015 new cases today with the note: “The high number of cases are, in part, due to a backlog of about 2,000 test results received from one lab who just submitted lab results from July 2-5 today”

      – Yes, and on July 5 I noted that Los Angeles County hadn’t reported new cases for a few days so we should expect a one day dump that could skew the numbers.

      You responded by saying, “What kind of POS human being wakes up worried enough cases were not reported because supposedly the more cases the worse it is for Trump.

      You really have to be a sad, bitter, shell of a person.”

    324. jason says:

      Zzzzzzzz….I am not rooting for more cases because it is bad for Trump like you are.

      GFY. You are a pathetic low life.

    325. UgandanAttorney says:

      It doesn’t sound like we’ll be getting good news from Rasmussen in their first weekly head-to-head poll:

      https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1280619289825939457

      I don’t think it’s a good practice for Rasmussen to be teasing a result before the poll has been conducted entirely and before weighting has been applied.

    326. jason says:

      June 30 deaths 727
      June 30 cases 46068

      July 7 deaths 994
      July 7 cases 55442

      IHME

      Projected Actual
      July 1 640 676 +26
      July 2 642 687 +45
      July 3 644 616 -28
      July 4 646 254 -392
      July 5 648 251 -397
      July 6 648 378 -270
      July 7 653 994 +341

    327. NYCmike says:

      “It is not virtue signaling to point out that Trump is a scumbag. It is just stating the obvious.”

      -Sure.

      Do you know the Bush family personally? Who is to say they aren’t scumbags? They definitely played the game better than Trump, just like Obama, Clinton, Gore, etc, etc.

      None of them are scumbags? I know you never made a daily habit out of calling them such.

    328. NYCmike says:

      “Of course in the northeast there are no alternatives to the NFL in cites like NY and Philadelphia.”

      -Phil,

      Up in these here parts, we stick these vacuum tubes, and some hangars from the dry cleaners, hook it up to these funny-shaped-mirrors we made and all the games just show up……out of nowhere!

    329. Robbie says:

      UgandanAttorney

      Did you end up booking that trip to Vegas on Spirit?

    330. Cash Cow TM says:

      Cleveland Indians manager wants team name changed
      MassLive.com, Springfield, Mass. | Jul 7, 2020 |

      https://www.gopusa.com/?p=91467?omhide=true

    331. Phil says:

      Mexico had 900 deaths today in a nation with less than half the population of the US. That would be the equivalent of about 2200 daily deaths in the US.

      There is a reason deaths have spiked in the Texas border counties of Cameron and Hidalgo Counties.

    332. Phil says:

      334

      Just what we need. Another woke manager and coach…..because there aren’t enough of those now.

    333. Cash Cow TM says:

      BREAKING

      Omaha Nebraska’s West Side High School
      considering changing the name of their team mascot from “Cow Tippers” to something less offensive.

      *******************************
      (I just made this headline up….)

    334. Cash Cow TM says:

      I know they use pig skin instead of cowhide, but I have stopped watching pro feetsball altogether.

      Disgusted with the kneeling BS, etc.

    335. Cash Cow TM says:

      I heard CV-19 deaths have spiked due to patients dying from anxiety of things like horrendous names of Washington Redskins and Cleveland Indians ball teams.

      And they need to change the name of the Atlanta Braves while we are at it.

      And get rid of that line in the Star Spangled Banner that has that triggering language “home of the brave.”

      No telling how many mass murderers were triggered by that….

    336. Chester says:

      New poll has Trump approval at 44/47. this is a poll of ADULTS! #KAG2020 #MAGA2020
      This means Trump is in positive approval territory. Trump LANDSLIDE on the way.

      To the Demtards: Keep screaming about defunding the police, keep ripping down monuments, you got a real winning message there! #KAG2020 #MAGA2020
      At this rate, Trump easily keeps all 2016 states and will add Minnesota, Maine, New Hampshire and Nevada. #KAG2020 #MAGA2020

    337. Bitterlaw says:

      NYC – You must have missed Trump treating women like Wes for years and his business practices. Wanting him to win does not mean being blind to his many flaws.

    338. UgandanAttorney says:

      Democracy Institute-Sunday Express National Poll:

      Trump 47
      Biden 47

      Subsample (IA, FL, MI, MN, PA, WI)

      Trump 48
      Biden 44

      IVR poll conducted between 7/1-7/3 of 1500 respondents.

      https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1305342/Trump-news-Donald-Trump-US-election-2020-latest-Black-Lives-Matter

    339. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      If someone were to ask me who I though would win the November presidential election. I would flip a coin. Events over the next four months are going to play a large role in determinating who wins.

    340. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      341. Afraid I look at electing a president in this time of civil discord and leftist violence the way I look at buying a guard dog. Charm and good manners don’t count.

    341. lisab says:

      Charm and good manners don’t count.
      —————————————–
      sdc,

      trump is very rude and has had many girlfriends

      so you should vote for biden

    342. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      345. Yes, and Biden let his narcotics-addicted son and his cronies follow him around the world and shake down world business leaders for cash when he was vice president.

    343. PresidentPaul! says:

      If Demented and his radical VP Harris or whoever it is wins, I wonder if it makes sense to just intentionally pay more capital gains taxes this year so as to avoid paying it in the future.

    344. PresidentPaul! says:

      It looks like Biden isn’t capable of staying in office more than a couple months while they hide him in the WH basement so I think progressives are working their damnedest to make sure one of the Bernie radicals is the VP so they can steal the WH.

    345. PresidentPaul! says:

      https://www.molecularpartners.com/

      I found a small swedish company 340 million dollar market cap im buying to day ticker MLLCF,

      Essentially they are making an antibody cocktail for the CCP-19 virus that is very similar to what the US company Regeneron is doing with it’s Covid-19 antibody cocktail.

      However MLLCF is making it’s version a subcutaneous injection meaning it can be done in clinic and urgent cares (much like Gilead’s new inhaler remdesivir could be given in clinics)

      The problem with Regeneron’s approach as I see it is it misses 90 percent of the market (gets the hospital patients only)

      Feel free to buy with me 😛

    346. PresidentPaul! says:

      “its” can’t type this morning.

    347. PresidentPaul! says:

      and I sold my Tesla yesterday. I can’t stomach 1400 dollars per share at this point.

      No doubt that thing is going to just keep bubbling, but the the oxygen is too thin up there at the moment.

    348. PresidentPaul! says:

      If the Gorges Dam breaks, it will affect over 400 million people in the rice bowl in China aka more than the population of the entire USA.

      So to prevent the damn from breaking, they are discharging water from it at 55 cubic meters per second

      https://twitter.com/PlainSite/status/1280719866601717760?s=20

      seen here flooding this parking garage!

    349. PresidentPaul! says:

      Wuhan has been completely flooded.

      Well if they bury the Wuhan lab, at least no one will find the coronavirus lab books!

    350. Hugh says:

      So let me get this straight Ras three day poll is Sunday Monday Tuesday??

    351. UgandanAttorney says:

      I don’t think Rasmussen polls weekends. So Friday, Monday, Tuesday.

    352. jason says:

      Another day, a few more predicitions:

      1. Bunu will have a running conversation with himself several times during the day.

      2. Robbie will repeat all the MSNBC talking points several times during the day, but may introduced some of the CNN talking points for balance.

      3. He will also state we don’t want to hear MSNBC and CNN talking points. He will state Biden might not win by 12, only by 10, at least 10 times.

      4. He will say several times if Trump changes campaign managers, allows the MSM narrative about him to go unchallenged, and finds a vaccine by next week, he could lose only by 7 and thus save 8 senate seats. He will claim the metrics at the airport in Deadman’s Gulch in Idaho showed a 3.4% decrease in traffic because people are scared of increased cases in (fill in the blank, whatever CNN says).

      5. Bitter will call Trump a scumbag at least once. Biden, a corrupt, sleazy, morally bankrupt, fondler/sniffer of little girls and serial harasser, cheater, plagiarist and willing participant in all the Obama administration scandals, lies and deceptions, won’t be called a scumbag. Bitter will also deny owning sweaters at least once, despite having already admitted to it in previous posts. He will also claim he only attended 2 flower shows, both times because his wife made him go. He will tell those that don’t believe him to GFTs.

      6. Chester will say several stupid things that others can use to make conservatives look bad, and for that will get a good little troll award from whatever leftist site he hails from.

      7. jason will make several brilliant points, but Tgca will steal the show by letting us know he is an expert in 263 more fields than yesterday.

    353. dblaikie says:

      Not bad predictions Jason. You might want to add that the chicken littles of HHR will continue to wring their hands with every new media poll.

    354. dblaikie says:

      I am surprised that no one has brought up the Kayne candidacy. With the close margins in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pa even if he only 50000 votes that is going to be huge. Maybe Kayne will do for Trump what Perot did for Clinton. If so can anyone say the word electoral landslide.

    355. Hugh says:

      Well Friday was a holiday too. How are these days I don’t know how much that means. In fact so many people home I wonder if that changes the dynamics of the pulling into 2020 versus 2016

    356. jason says:

      Kanye is a Trump supporter, I am skeptical he takes away a lot of Biden votes. Maybe he takes away black votes from Trump for all I know. Besides, not convinced he is for real and how many ballots he will actually be on.

    357. PresidentPaul! says:

      https://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html

      Gold miner stocks continue to be free money. Gold goes up 1%, and miners go up 3-4% every time the yellow rock moves 1%, and gold is in a secular bull market.

      Just own the miners and ride the wave

    358. ssq says:

      “You must have missed Trump treating women like Wes”

      The country is going to pot.

      If even a serial skirt chaser like Wes can become a woman, we are doomed.

    359. jason says:

      Gold is for suckers. I bet if Bunu calculated how much money he has lost in gold over the long run he would conclude he would have been better off selling Ron Paul inflatable sex dolls on Ebay.

    360. Gordon Allen says:

      Ugandan: Do we know Rasmussen doesn’t poll Sunday? 90% of the time his Monday numbers drop noticeably. If so than Friday is the consistently bad day then.Not sure why that would be the case. Does anyone know for sure here?

    361. dblaikie says:

      Today he claimed that he was taking off his orange hat. Frankly I don’t see how his candidacy would hurt Trump. The Dems needs a huge percentage of the African American vote. In 2016 Hillary got 91% of the black vote and Trump got 6 and that was considered not great for her. In the swing states, if Trump and Kayne combine for 10 to 15% of the AA vote — that is death to Biden. I will say that in his very long Forbes interview he didn’t say much about Trump that was bad but he did trash Biden big time.

    362. PresidentPaul! says:

      Gold is just getting started. Just wait until we get inflation.

      Then you will see how extreme this market is going to become.

    363. PresidentPaul! says:

      I don’t buy gold ETFs though. I only buy physical gold not ETF.

      But as do buy miners and royalty stocks.

    364. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #369- Gordon
      On Sundays, Rasmussen(less) polls from 9:00am to 1:00 pm(EDT) when many possible conservative respondents are in Church.
      Ras is releasing a Biden/ Trump head-to-head today taken on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. According to a post on RRH, the first two nights of polling “will please Biden fans” or so said a tweet from Ras last night.
      Not only a weekend poll, but one taken over a weekend that’s a National holiday weekend. Poor technique by Ras.

    365. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Does anyone know when the vote counting for the NY CD-27 race will be complete?
      Although Chris Jacobs(R) had a 30,000 vote lead on election day two weeks ago, his Democrat opponent has refused to concede so Mr. Jacobs cannot be seated in DC until finalization of the vote counting.

    366. Gordon Allen says:

      Sheeple: Thanks for the good info re Rasmussen. I thought he did poll on Sunday. I understand (from where I can’t recall) that Rasmussen ( less) uses a PID of D+5. Do you have info on that? Thanks

    367. PresidentPaul! says:

      Covid is ramping right now.

      Don’t believe the the stuff about the falling death rate. Fool me once shame on you-fool me won’t get fooled again.

      They were talking in Feb-March that well lots of people are getting it, but they aren’t dying it’s just the flu with no real mortality rate.

      But what do you know there is a 3 week lag when they start hitting the floor.

      So now last month we had drastically falling covid rates so a month later (now) we have this drastically falling death rate in response.

      Now we have drastically increasing case load, so three weeks from now…

      It’s just math.

    368. Scooterboy says:

      You think the Dems aren’t terrified of Biden debating?

      Thomas Friedman- “I worry about Joe Biden debating Donald Trump. He should do it only under two conditions. Otherwise, he’s giving Trump unfair advantages.

      First, Biden should declare that he will take part in a debate only if Trump releases his tax returns for 2016 through 2018. Biden has already done so, and they are on his website. Trump must, too. No more gifting Trump something he can attack while hiding his own questionable finances.

      And second, Biden should insist that a real-time fact-checking team approved by both candidates be hired by the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates — and that 10 minutes before the scheduled conclusion of the debate this team report on any misleading statements, phony numbers or outright lies either candidate had uttered. That way no one in that massive television audience can go away easily misled.

    369. Scooterboy says:

      I loved the last line. Can you believe someone from the MSM had the balls to actually say this? It’s what they do every day.

      “That way no one in that massive tv audience can go away easily misled”

    370. dblaikie says:

      President Paul’s post gets an award for stupidity. The death rate has been coming down since April. Cases started spiking a month ago. States like Georgia have been open for months. Still the death rate is going down. First I heard wait two weeks, then three, soon it will be wait four. If a spike in deaths doesn’t start this week then — well the math speaks for itself.

    371. Country Dick Montana says:

      “Now we have drastically increasing case load, so three weeks from now…

      It’s just math.”

      Well, lets’s look at the numbers based on 7 day averages:

      Peak deaths was April 23. The death Vs 3 week previous case (7 day average) was 9.6%

      May 1: 6.0%
      May 15: 4.9%
      June 1: 4.1%
      June 15: 3.4%
      July 1: 2.6%

      Those are the numbers. I won’t speculate why the percentages are decreasing. It’s just math.

    372. Country Dick Montana says:

      I can also provide the 2 week and 1 week correlations, if need be.

    373. Hugh says:

      Since the daily tracking poll today is the worst it’s been in days I suspect the results on the head to head will not be good either.

    374. dblaikie says:

      Here is a bit of data the media won’t you touch. India has had 750580 cases of COVID. They have been on the forefront of using HCQ. Do you know what their deaths per million is? 15 and that is not a typo. Our death per million in comparison is not bad but in comparison to India it is striking. We have 405 per million.

    375. Tina says:

      Yes,let’s appoint the jebots as fact checkers.

      Ima, sure there won’t be any debates

    376. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Last week’s Economist/YouGov Poll had a PID of D+16. This week’s poll is D+17 and shows Sleepy Joe with a 9 pt. lead although The Donald receives more Democrat crossovers and is +1 with Independents. This is outright dishonest!

      https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/lraqqdhd7j/econTabReport.pdf

    377. dblaikie says:

      Hugh lets just assume that a +8 for Biden is accurate. First of we have the reality that Biden’s votes are massed in New York and CA as well as New England. So take away 2 or 3 points since we have the electoral college. Then let’s factor in the huge enthusiasm gap between Trump and Biden and give conservatively another 2 or 3 points to Trump. Then we have the very real factor (acknowledged by Trafalgar) that Trump voters are reluctant to say they are voting for Trump. Let’s factor in two points for that. We won’t even factor that every polling company accept Trafalgar is over polling Dems. Well it sort of puts these numbers in context.

    378. jason says:

      If you haven’t noticed, Bunu is not very good at math…

    379. jason says:

      Gold is just getting started. Just wait until we get inflation”

      Nobody has told Bunu that inflation affects your return.

      Morons that invest in gold always “forget” to adjust for inflation.

    380. Wobbles says:

      Last week’s Economist/YouGov Poll had a PID of D+16. This week’s poll is D+17 and shows Sleepy Joe with a 9 pt. lead although The Donald receives more Democrat crossovers and is +1 with Independents. This is outright dishonest!”

      I will jump on it like maggots on roadkill.

    381. jason says:

      Btw, Roadkill Maggot wants everyone to know he is alive and well.

      He is currently volunteering to cut sugar cane in Cuba to help the revolution, and is excited to know he will be offered a job in the Biden administration, which will come with a desk and half a window. He will be in charge of tracking down anybody who ever visited Mt. Rushmore for the re-education camps.

    382. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      On Wednesday, the court released opinions in the following cases:
      In Our Lady of Guadalupe School v. Morrissey-Berru, the justices held that employment discrimination suits by female teachers fired by Catholic elementary schools are barred by the First Amendment’s “ministerial exception.”
      In Little Sisters of the Poor v. Pennsylvania, the justices upheld a federal rule exempting employers with religious or moral objections from providing contraceptive coverage to their employees under the Affordable Care Act.

    383. Scooterboy says:

      “Last week’s Economist/YouGov Poll had a PID of D+16. This week’s poll is D+17 and shows Sleepy Joe with a 9 pt. lead although The Donald receives more Democrat crossovers and is +1 with Independents. This is outright dishonest!”

      Don’t tell Robbie.

    384. VictrC says:

      Sheep – were they 5-4 decisions?

      BTW, how is that possible. Do you mean Justice Roberts voted with Conservatives. I thought that never happened. (Sarcasm off)

    385. Hugh says:

      I meant biden

    386. Country Dick Montana says:

      “22% of republicans are going to vote for trump.”

      I don’t find that so hard to believe. As I said before, there are a lot of them that don’t think that the enormous (and irreversible) changes that are coming will not affect them. They also think that they will be able to build a new GOP from the ashes. There will be no GOP after 2021 if the Dems win and if there is there will only be a rump party trying to get whatever tidbits the Dems will throw them.

      Pretty dystopian I know, but I think that is what we are up against.

    387. jason says:

      BTW, how is that possible. Do you mean Justice Roberts voted with Conservatives. I thought that never happened.”

      I guess Tina will have to wait until the next time Roberts doesn’t vote to her liking to call him Souter 2.0.

    388. jason says:

      new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 44% of Likely U.S. Voters are more likely to vote for Trump in the 2020 presidential election. Fifty-one percent (51%) say they’re more likely to vote against him. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

      These findings are unchanged from January. Last September when Rasmussen Reports first asked this question, 42% said they were more likely to vote for the president; 52% were not.”

      So Trump has actually gained 2 points since September on this question.

      That certainly does not fit Robbie’s narrative.

      How does Trump get from 44% to 48%, which IMO wins the election?

    389. VictrC says:

      22% of Republicans voting for Biden is absolute trash. Even though who hate Trump on this board for his boorish behavior, egotism, etc are voting for him then they didn’t in 2016. That number will be 94%+ on Election Day.

      Polling on a national holiday weekend was absurd. Those are Dems, saying they are Republicans.

    390. jason says:

      here will be no GOP after 2021 if the Dems win”

      Yep. Remember, the Never Trumpers are all Dems now, they aren’t coming back.

      The Robbies of the party, representing about 5%, think they will be making a comeback, but they won’t. That train left the station.

      Trump voters are not going back to the Mitt Romney types.

      Essentially a Dem victory in November means a one party state at the national level, with a few dissenting voices at a state and local level.

    391. Country Dick Montana says:

      I think that it was 22% of Reps will vote for Biden.

    392. jason says:

      The Scotus vote was 7-2 btw.

    393. Hugh says:

      I have to disagree big time with cdm. Republicans who approve of Trump are going to vote for Trump. I can’t recall a single pole that shows 22% of Republicans disapprove of Trump. So it makes absolutely no sense the 22% of Republicans are going to cross over for Joe Biden of all people

    394. jason says:

      Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 44% of Likely U.S. Voters are more likely to vote for Trump in the 2020 presidential election. Fifty-one percent (51%) say they’re more likely to vote against him.”

      If you take out CA and NY and a few other populous states where the Dems have big leads, this poll means the rest of the country is very divided down the middle.

    395. Tina says:

      It’s difficult to rationalize, 90 plus approval among Rs and he losses 22 percent of Rs to China Biden.

      M Kay.

    396. jason says:

      I think more Dems will vote for Trump than Rs will vote for Biden.

      In fact I would bet money on it.

    397. Country Dick Montana says:

      A regular republican has not won at the national level since 2004. Trump loses, the populist base will feel betrayed and never come back. The country club types and the very rich Republicans will simply become very rich Dems in order to maintain some power.

    398. jason says:

      But that could not be very meaningful, since there are more Dems than Rs.

    399. jason says:

      “Trump loses, the populist base will feel betrayed and never come back. The country club types and the very rich Republicans will simply become very rich Dems in order to maintain some power.”

      Correct. The party is not going to unite around Nikki Haley or Mike Pence or whatever.

      I would see Trump Jr. winning the 2024 primary before Nikki Haley would, not that he is my candidate.

    400. Country Dick Montana says:

      “If you take out CA and NY and a few other populous states where the Dems have big leads, this poll means the rest of the country is very divided down the middle.”

      I just very quickly looked at the top 15 states by population. Allowing for Biden running up massive leads in CA,NY,IL and MA (62% to 38%)I have to agree with Jason. The big state Trump wins (TX,FL,OH and GA) he will get by with much lower margins.

      I saw an article recently about “wasted votes” i.e. those votes over 50%+1. The top 4 Biden states have a lot of them.

    401. Scooterboy says:

      Reuter’s National

      Biden: 43%
      Trump: 37%

    402. Country Dick Montana says:

      What happened to the other 20%?

    403. Scooterboy says:

      412. Good question

    404. JohnJ says:

      Rasmussen tracking poll coming out today. Teasing a 5 point Biden lead.

    405. Stonewall DW says:

      412 – After the riots, people are afraid to give someone who has their contact information, the knowledge that they support Trump, so its easy to say undecided. Thankfully, the voting booth is a private place.

    406. The Godfather says:

      Rasmussen

      Biden 50%
      Trump 40%
      Undecided 6%

      The new survey finds Trump with 74% of the Republican vote. Biden has the support of 79% of Democrats. Among voters not affiliated with either major party, it’s Biden 48%, Trump 36%.

    407. Waingro says:

      Inside Polling
      @insidepolling1
      #National Poll by Ipsos (
      @Ipsos
      ) + Reuters (
      @Reuters
      )

      GE:
      Trump : 37%
      Biden : 43% (+6%)

      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/most-americans-believe-russia-targeted-u-s-soldiers-want-sanctions-in-response-reuters-ipsos-poll-shows-idUSKBN2491G2

    408. Gordon Allen says:

      I had a hard time ( still do) believing D+16(17) wasn’t a typo. But 22% of Republicans voting for Biden is if anything even more incredible. We’re in Twilight Zone territory.

    409. Waingro says:

      #416, ooph. Talk about taking the wind out of the sails of JohnJ’s post at #414.

      A 5 point and 6 point deficit set of polls combo in one day would have given Trump some much needed “momentum” as a talking point.

      Now it looks like Reuters might be the outlier.

    410. Waingro says:

      #418, is that baked into the HTH poll just released? If so, that does seem trashy.

      While the number of self-identified R’s is rapidly shrinking, it’s clear in just about every credible poll I’ve seen that R’s overwhelmingly support Trump.

      So stick that Ras poll in the gaaahbage dumpstah.

    411. Country Dick Montana says:

      Let’s assume that the polls are correct. Trump loses, Dems retake Senate and keep the House.

      We all know what is coming.

      So at this point how do we prepare? Thank goodness I could retire a while ago and will do just that on January 20, 2021. A little concerned about my savings and coming after wealth.

      Just interested in what people will do.

    412. Tina says:

      What about express us poll showing a tied race.

      Looks like if China Biden leads, he only leads by a few

      Tied

      +6

      +10 RAS No way are 22 percent of Rs voting for China, when trumps approval with Rs is typically at 91-95 approval.

    413. jason says:

      Reuters National

      Biden: 43%
      Trump: 37%

      So that should bury the “election is over” meme.

    414. jason says:

      Just interested in what people will do”

      I would probably cash out of any assets (except the llamas), buy some more guns and ammo before they are outlawed, and stop investing in an economy I don’t believe in.

      If there is silver lining, I would probably enjoy life more and do more things I like to do.

      I would feel very badly for my kids though. I didn’t educate them for socialism, maybe I should have.

    415. jason says:

      A 5 point and 6 point deficit set of polls combo in one day would have given Trump some much needed “momentum” as a talking point. ”

      Nobody really cares about that except maybe Robbie.

      The Reuters poll seems very plausible to me, not because of the 6 point difference but because of the high number of undecided.

      If my theory is correct that this will not be a referendum on Trump, but instead a referendum on the type of society we want to live in, that would be good news for Trump.

    416. jason says:

      Millions of people would lose the incentive to make more money, they will say the heck with it, why keep working/investing just to pay more taxes?

      These are the job creators, business creators, wealth creators.

    417. John says:

      The last 4 head to head matchups from Economist/YouGov have been Biden +9, Biden +8, Biden +9 and Biden +8.
      Either people are stuck in neutral and this polling firm uses the same methods to get the same results….I’ll go with Mr. Cahay of the Trafalgar Group and say they use the same methods and poll the same type of voter.

    418. jason says:

      Could it be? Asians seem to vote Dem, except maybe older Vietnamese who escaped from communism.

      “Asians I have talked to sense this shift and are talking about it a great deal within their communities. While Asians may not say so publicly very often (as in the dentist’s office), their voting habits are certain to reflect a growing discomfort with a party that threatens to not only remove Asians’ preferential treatment of years past but handicap them in favor of other minorities, as European Americans have experienced for decades.

      The Democratic Party’s flirtation with Marxism, via its new cause célèbre Black Lives Matter, won’t do the left any favors with Asians, either. Many East Asian Americans either fled Marxist totalitarian governments themselves or know people who did. If you want to know about the brutality and privations of Marxist regimes, talk to Americans with roots in Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, Myanmar, China, or Korea. They will gladly educate you.

      BLM’s explicit goal of abolishing the nuclear family is sure to leave many Asians questioning their place in the Democratic Big Tent as well. Asians lead all American racial groups in marriage stability, and Asian cultures tend to value family cohesion and hierarchy a great deal. The DNC’s partnership with an organization championing queer power and traditional family destruction will irritate Asians’ conservatism when it comes to marriage, family, and childrearing.

      Oh! And riots. Asians in America generally are not big fans of riots. So there’s that.

      Come November, I predict a lot of Asians whom the Democratic Party assumed were a lock will change their affiliation quietly but with great effect.”

    419. jason says:

      For sure a lot of Asians are small business owners. Not so sure they want to defund the police and pay more taxes.

    420. jason says:

      The last 4 head to head matchups from Economist/YouGov have been Biden +9, Biden +8, Biden +9 and Biden +8.”

      It does tie in with my view that Trump bottomed out.

    421. Hugh says:

      I just have to scratch myself and ask who is Rasmussen polling? Reuters looks like the type of pole that indicates people moving from Biden to undecided.

    422. UgandanAttorney says:

      You’re right about Rasmussen polling on Sundays. I wish they wouldn’t but there’s nothing that can be done about it. Their weekly head-to-head poll will continue to poll Sundays, Mondays, and Tuesdays.

      So -10 is the baseline. We will see how the head-to-head changes.

      Interestingly enough, the IVR gap with online/live-caller poll is more pronounced in the state polling than national polling.

    423. Tina says:

      Joe Biden says police have “BECOME THE ENEMY” and calls for CUTTING police funding: “Yes, absolutely!”

      https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1280904345408745472

    424. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      IMHO, Rasmussen(less)’s polling error was to produce a poll over the July 4th weekend.
      Coincidentally, Scott Rasmussen ‘s new polling firm released a poll this week with the identical polling timeframe and methodology. It showed Biden +10.

    425. Country Dick Montana says:

      Two articles in the WSJ today. One is that United Airlines is looking at furloughing 50% of its staff (36,000), the other saying that DFW has become the world’s busiest airport and American is up to nearly 100% utilization there.

    426. Scooterboy says:

      “ Joe Biden says police have “BECOME THE ENEMY” and calls for CUTTING police funding: “Yes, absolutely!”

      Jason is right. This election is going to be about ideology. If the mindset of the American voter has lurched so far Left as to vote for someone who makes comments like the one above, America is forever screwed.

    427. Country Dick Montana says:

      433 – he didn’t say that in that context. Let’s at least be honest.

    428. Chicon says:

      Jason’s hero of the day, Dr. Fauci, says that the declining death rate on the Red Death is a false narrative. Does Jason say his hero is full of it, or does he agree with Robbie?

      Tough spot….

    429. dblaikie says:

      I must say first of all that as a scientist I have great respect for Dr. Fauci. The nation should be grateful for his dedication riding our nation of infectious disease and viruses. His work on AIDs will always be remembered.

      The above paragraph makes all the more sad for me to see this talented scientist fall into the pit of politics over Covid19. To say that you should not concentrate on the death because it encourages “complacency” is nothing but base politics! Data is all important for a scientist. It is their life blood and to dismiss this most important metric is just wrong.

      Now if the death rate spiked along with the case rate than that would be problematic and show we were going down a wrong road.

      It is with no contentment that I now believe that Trump needs to replace Dr. Fauci and give him the medal of freedom for his contribution to our country.

    430. Gordon Allen says:

      The other thing is Rasmussen once again has Trump underpolling his approval rate. very strange.

    431. Gordon Allen says:

      The poll showing a tie was July 1-3. Skipped the holiday weekend.

    432. jason says:

      I was just saying this about the GOP in the event Biden wins.

      Larry Hogan? No.

      Don’t get me wrong, he is great for MD. But MD is not the US.

      https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/07/08/republicans-explode-into-laughter-as-the-media-push-a-new-face-of-the-gop/

    433. jason says:

      ason’s hero of the day, Dr. Fauci, says that the declining death rate on the Red Death is a false narrative. Does Jason say his hero is full of it, or does he agree with Robbie?”

      Fauci is my hero of the year, not day, especially if he gets Trump elected.

    434. Phil says:

      F Fauci.

      He isn’t going to get Trump elected anything.

      So the declining death rate is a false narrative? What? He doesn’t think we can read numbers? Please tell me how saying something like that helps Trump in any way, shape, or form.

    435. NYCmike says:

      Fauci – enough about this guy…..PLEASE!

      In other news, please clarify:

      Is Tucker Carlson allowed to criticize Senator Tammy Duckworth? If you didn’t serve, are you allowed to criticize Senator Duckworth?

      Or is she supposed to be covered by the McCainHaloAffect?

    436. NYCmike says:

      Roberts on the same side with other conservatives in a 7-2 vote.

      He is the 100-RBI guy who strikes out when the game is on the line, but pads his stats when there is no pressure.

    437. Phil says:

      Worked for McCain. Duckworth figures she’ll just follow the same road map. Even Kerry used the military shield.

    438. jason says:

      Is Tucker Carlson allowed to criticize Senator Tammy Duckworth?”

      Are we really comparing John McCain to Tammy Duckworth?

      And did Tucker say he preferred heroes who didn’t suffer amputations in combat?

      And of course, nobody ever said you couldn’t disagree with some of McCain’s positions, I certainly did on campaign finance and other issues. But he was no traitor, no liberal, no RINO.

      This gets the “stupidest analogy” award.

    439. jason says:

      ease tell me how saying something like that helps Trump in any way, shape, or form.”

      Zzzzzz…..

      Fauci himself says most of what he says is distorted and taken out of context.

      Let’s face it, the Fauci haters don’t care what he says, whatever it is they are against it.

      Because, OMG, he once praised Hillary or something.

      Zzzzzzzzzzzz…again.

    440. NYCmike says:

      Like fishin’ in a barrel…..

    441. NYCmike says:

      I see Fauci will just keep coming up…….can’t Robbie invite him to Pogo Loco?

    442. jason says:

      So, let’s talk about cases…

      California: now 6 days off the peak
      Arizona: now 7 days off the peak
      Florida: now 5 days off the peak

    443. NYCmike says:

      Different topic – does anyone know the reasons for the divide between Ben Shapiro, Michelle Malkin, Levin, Beck, etc?

      Wouldn’t it make sense for these like-minded personalities to try to come together and push similar narratives at this time?

      Or should I expect closer to the election that would happen?

    444. jason says:

      I love defending national heroes like McCain and Fauci. It makes me feel proud, patriotic and energized.

      Just like those that attack them for cheap political points probably feel soiled, cheap and ashamed.

    445. jason says:

      Wouldn’t it make sense for these like-minded personalities to try to come together and push similar narratives at this time?”

      Geezus, and we criticize the Dems and the MSM for group think….

      I listen to Beck briefly sometimes because he on the radio station I listen to for news, weather and traffic when driving.

      I don’t really care what Levin and Malkin think, they are both morons.

      I don’t know about Shapiro, he is anti-Trump?

      He seems pretty pro-Trump to me.

    446. jason says:

      I forgot to say, Beck seems pretty pro-Trump to me.

    447. jason says:

      Whoops, Beck pretty pro-Trump. Shapiro?

    448. jason says:

      He is the 100-RBI guy who strikes out when the game is on the line, but pads his stats when there is no pressure.”

      What BS.

      Roberts has actually sided with conservatives on dozens of 5-4 cases, but you are too stupid to know that.

    449. NYCmike says:

      “I love defending national heroes like McCain and Fauci. It makes me feel proud, patriotic and energized.”

      -Yes, we know you defend them, as would I…..when they are correct.

      When they are wrong, why you choose to defend them at that point, is the issue.

    450. jason says:

      I just put in a statue of Fauci in my garden.

      I hope Antifa doesn’t tear it down on account he held meetings with Trump.

    451. jason says:

      When they are wrong, why you choose to defend them at that point, is the issue.”

      Well, I never defend them when they are wrong.

      But I would have to agree that they were wrong.

    452. lisab says:

      what will people do?
      —————————-

      Country Dick Montana,

      as a government employee i will probably benefit a lot. my pensions from il and ny are at risk — but would probably get fully funded if the dems win.

      my salary would likewise be largely protected, as government salaries should at least keep up with inflation

      but, we have lots of assets overseas, and would probably move more there

    453. NYCmike says:

      “Geezus, and we criticize the Dems and the MSM for group think….”

      -Got it.

      So, when Gingrich, the Republican Party, and conservative radio got together and pushed the Contract With America, you would call that “group think”.

      That is an odd definition……

    454. NYCmike says:

      Constitutional Convention – papers with pieces pushing support for the ratification of the Constitution = “group think”.

    455. Tina says:

      I heart Shepard Smith.

      -jebot

    456. NYCmike says:

      https://outkick.com/kelly-loeffler-election-opponent-accuses-her-of-being-performatively-non-woke-in-wnba-statement/

      -Fair is fair.

      Loeffler speaking up now with BLM…….yet she was silent before on other social issues.

      Collins making that an issue.

    457. The Godfather of Politics says:

      National GE:
      Biden 43% (+4)
      Trump 39%

      @Harris_X_
      /
      @thehill
      7/3-4

    458. Tina says:

      Can the Jebot opine on why has China Biden slipped i. The polls the last week?

    459. Country Dick Montana says:

      Another poll where 18% aren’t talking.

    460. Tina says:

      18 percent aren’t talking?

      Is trump still “losing” 22 percent of Republicans while being at or above 90 percent approval with them?

    461. Tina says:

      Wain, you got your wish of 2 polls (3 if you include the one from last night) showing a close race.

    462. Tina says:

      Dr. David Samadi
      @drdavidsamadi
      ·
      1h
      In Dr. Fauci’s world…

      a higher death rate is bad news.

      a lower death rate is bad news.

      a higher infection rate is bad news.

      a lower infection rate is bad news.

      When will Dr. Fauci ever be happy?

    463. Phil says:

      I have problems with Fauci. I can assure you none of them have anything to do with what he he thinks of Hillary Clinton. Couldn’t care less about that.

    464. Country Dick Montana says:

      Trump is trying to get the schools to open in the fall and states that the CDC’s guidelines are too difficult to meet. I am cool with that.

      He backs this up with stating all the countries that are letting their kids go back. Good point.

      American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), has urged officials to let students be physically present at school. Got the backing of the experts.

      Mentions that the main reason for not opening is primarily political, i.e. bad for him. OK

      But what does the press pick up on? Unnecessary comment that he may “withhold funds” from schools that don’t open. I mean, he doesn’t have that authority and most are funded by the states and localities anyway. Why does he say stuff like this, especially since he can’t back it up?

    465. John says:

      471.
      Link?

    466. Stonewall DW says:

      Was going to post that HarrisX poll. Another one with large undecided. This confirms its shy Trump support out there. Someone who doesn’t want their house to be Antifatized because they told someone on the phone they were voting for Trump.

      Polling is, for the most part, dead.

    467. chicon says:

      463 – this post is a strong contender for the least self-aware post in the history of HHR (non-Bunu edition).

    468. Tina says:

      Cdm, I did not hear any questions about withholding $.

      They asked why the president disagreed with cdc.

      Kayleigh indicated one example is for students to bring their own lunch. Well, that is not feasible for 22 million poor Americans.

    469. John says:

      423.
      Link?

    470. chicon says:

      482 – how are the 22 million kids eating with school closed?

    471. Tina says:

      I know in our school districts, food services remained opened , chicon. They had both breakfast and lunches provided.

    472. Tina says:

      Steve Herman
      @W7VOA
      · 1h
      “You have never sought to impose anything on us that would violate our sovereignty,” @lopezobrador_ tells @POTUS. “You have not tried to treat us as a colony.”

    473. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 8, 2020 at 4:37 pm
      Can the Jebot opine on why has China Biden slipped i. The polls the last week?

      – What’s the evidence Biden has slipped? The last Hill/Harris poll was done on June 22/23 and the result was Biden 43-39. The new poll was done on July 3/4 and the result was Biden 43-39. That’s no change.

      Also, why was Hill/Harris polling on July 3/4? Does anyone think it’s a good idea to poll on the Friday and Saturday of a holiday weekend? That’s like polling on New Year’s Eve and New Year’s Day. Didn’t I read a comment earlier criticizing Rasmussen for polling on a Sunday night?

      In the three polls released today, Trump was at 39, 37, and 40 in Hill/Harris, Reuters, and Rasmussen respectively. For an incumbent to be polling in the high 30’s four months from election day is a major warning sign.

      Bash away.

    474. Tina says:

      So, the socialist president of Mexico did the following:

      Quoted President Washington.

      Praised President Trump for not treating Mexico as a colony.

      Praised President trump for the corona virus assistance to Mexico,

      Visited the Lincoln Memorial, the same memorial jebots want to destroy,

    475. Tina says:

      Well two polls showed 4 and one poll yesterday evening was tied.

      You were bragging that the election was over last week.

      With the Drat plus 16 models.

    476. Country Dick Montana says:

      “The Dems think it would be bad for them politically if U.S. schools open before the November Election, but is important for the children & families,” Trump tweeted. “May cut off funding if not open!”

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-he-disagrees-with-cdc-school-reopening-guidelines-calls-them-impractical

    477. Robbie says:

      Stonewall DW says:
      July 8, 2020 at 5:08 pm
      Was going to post that HarrisX poll. Another one with large undecided. This confirms its shy Trump support out there.

      – Why does it confirm shy Trump support and not that Hill/Harris just doesn’t push undecideds to chose as some other polls do?

    478. Country Dick Montana says:

      484 – Where I live they are delivering meals to kids who would get them at school.

    479. Tina says:

      The cdc guidelines read like a ransom note.

      If feasible, students must bring their lunches.

      If feasible, blah, blah, blah,

      If feasible desks should be 6 feet apart (muh scientific studies indicate 3 feet).

    480. Tina says:

      Let’s have young kids where masks all day at school, if feasible.

    481. Tina says:

      If trump wins a second term, fallacy and the cdc director should both be canned for stupidity and not being prepared.

    482. Country Dick Montana says:

      “– Why does it confirm shy Trump support and not that Hill/Harris just doesn’t push undecideds to chose as some other polls do?”

      You are fooling yourself if you think that 20% are undecided. You say it is a referendum on the incumbent, so they have had nearly 4 years to make up their mind.

    483. Tina says:

      And I don’t buy that if trumps approval is 46 or 47, he only gets 36/38 percent of the vote,

      Barris does not buy it either,

    484. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 8, 2020 at 5:20 pm
      Well two polls showed 4 and one poll yesterday evening was tied.

      You were bragging that the election was over last week.

      With the Drat plus 16 models.

      – It’s going to take a lot more than a Hill/Harris poll (the 2020 version of the LA Times 2016 poll) or an online Reuters poll to convince me that things have turned around for Trump. That’s especially true when he’s an incumbent who continues to poll in the upper 30’s or low 40’s four months from election day.

      If the race is an close as you suspect it is, the more established polls will show that over the next week to ten days and the RCP average will move accordingly.

    485. Tina says:

      Bs, you were saying it’s over, and it’s not.

      Not after Biden’s performance the last couple of weeks Ca trump and the solid economic news.

    486. Tina says:

      The race is closer than you think it is.

      With your party I’d set at Drat plus 16.

      Trump losing 20 percent of Rs despite approval with Rs in the 90s.

      And trump losing 8 to 12 points between his approval number and the number he getts vs Biden.

    487. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      July 8, 2020 at 5:23 pm
      “– Why does it confirm shy Trump support and not that Hill/Harris just doesn’t push undecideds to chose as some other polls do?”

      You are fooling yourself if you think that 20% are undecided. You say it is a referendum on the incumbent, so they have had nearly 4 years to make up their mind.

      – I don’t think there’s 20% undecided either and I’ve long been dubious of the Hill/Harris poll just as I’ve long been dubious of Rasmussen. But I’m more than willing to have them prove me wrong.

      I just don’t see any evidence that a poll with a large number of undecideds is evidence of a shy Trump vote.

    488. Country Dick Montana says:

      “I just don’t see any evidence that a poll with a large number of undecideds is evidence of a shy Trump vote.”

      OK, then to what do you attribute such a high number of undecideds when in your words it is a “referendum on the incumbent.”

    489. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 8, 2020 at 5:27 pm
      Bs, you were saying it’s over, and it’s not.

      Not after Biden’s performance the last couple of weeks Ca trump and the solid economic news.

      – There’s no evidence Biden’s performance over the last couple of weeks has cost him any support. For every Hill/Harris poll, there’s a new Economist/YouGov poll that shows the race 49-40 Biden. In the RCP average, Biden had a 8.4 point lead on June 15. Three weeks later, Biden has an 8.7 lead.

    490. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      There has been a massive growth in infections and hospitalization of young people in Los Angeles and Oranges counties.

      “Out of the 17,882 cases recorded so far in Orange County, more than 40% of patients have been younger than 35, with those ages 25 to 34 accounting for more than 22% of all infections countywide.
      The younger demographic of news coronavirus cases was noted Monday by Gov. Gavin Newsom.
      * * *
      Younger adults — Newsom called them “the young invincibles” — who are testing positive for the disease is a trend that has become apparent as the economy has reopened and working-age adults return to jobs and resume social gatherings.
      “So a lot of these younger folks may be coming into hospitals, but with not as acute needs as what we were seeing in the past,” Newsom said. In L.A. County, working-age adults are making up an increasing share of the percentage of those who are hospitalized, while seniors are making up a declining share.
      Some young people think “they are invincible but don’t feel it’s going to impact them and, if it does, it’s not a big burden.”
      The same trend of younger adults increasingly infected with the coronavirus is being seen in L.A. County.
      By July 4, almost 50% of new cases occurred among those 40 and younger, said Barbara Ferrer, the L.A. County director of public health. In early April, that age group made up only about 30% of new confirmed cases.”

      It would be interesting inquire how many of the newly infected young people were involved in the protests that took place in June; where huge numbers of young people stood in tight groups with no masks.

      Rather than ask this question, Newsom has now closed indoor dining in most of California for three weeks, which will further devastate the economy.

    491. lisab says:

      482 – how are the 22 million kids eating with school closed?

      I know in our school districts, food services remained opened , chicon. They had both breakfast and lunches provided.
      —————————–

      and we delivered some via school bus

    492. Tina says:

      Yup, continue to tell yourself that he did not slip.

    493. Chicon says:

      Thanks for the info on feeding the youngins.

    494. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Here is a summary of the Harvard/Harris poll from The Hill:

      “If the general election for President were held today, 43 percent of registered voters said they’d choose vote for presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden, while 39 percent said they would vote for a second President Trump term, a new Hill-HarrisX poll finds.

      The four-point lead for the former vice president is down from 10 percentage points in the same poll from June 1-4. Trump trailed Biden 47-37 in that poll.

      Nine percent of registered voters said they were undecided, no change from the last poll.”

    495. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      July 8, 2020 at 5:31 pm
      “I just don’t see any evidence that a poll with a large number of undecideds is evidence of a shy Trump vote.”

      OK, then to what do you attribute such a high number of undecideds when in your words it is a “referendum on the incumbent.”

      – There could be lots of reasons. Some pollsters just don’t push undecideds the way others do. Others just use mediocre methodology or unproven methodology. Others want to draw attention to their results.

    496. VictrC says:

      Why do you argue. It’s useless and just ends up with even more posts on this page of gloom and doom. Just forget it and move on. If you don’t argue back with someone who won’t change his mind, then we all have to endure less posts of Trump bad, Jeb better.

    497. Tina says:

      So, China Biden dropped six points in Harris? Month to month?

      The jebit said there was no drop

      Lol

    498. Country Dick Montana says:

      “Nine percent of registered voters said they were undecided, no change from the last poll.”

      so another 9% aren’t saying? Is that what that means?

    499. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      508. *Hill/Harris Poll

    500. Robbie says:

      SanDiegoCitizen says:
      July 8, 2020 at 5:48 pm
      Nine percent of registered voters said they were undecided, no change from the last poll.”

      – So if they have the race as 43-39 Biden with 9 undecided, what happened to the other 9%? Is there a third party option they’re not showing?

    501. Robbie says:

      VictrC says:
      July 8, 2020 at 5:50 pm
      If you don’t argue back with someone who won’t change his mind

      – This is pretty rich. You say I won’t change my mind, but there’s no evidence anyone here who is pro-Trump is willing to change their mind either. No matter how bad the polling has been lately, the common refrain has been, basically, the polls are wrong.

    502. Country Dick Montana says:

      509 –

      ‘OK, then to what do you attribute such a high number of undecideds when in your words it is a “referendum on the incumbent.”

      – There could be lots of reasons. ”

      You are dead certain the the “vast majority of the public” is concentrating on cases. You state as fact that a re-election campaign is a referendum on the incumbent. BUT when I ask you straight up for you opinion as to why 9% are undecided and apparently 9% aren’t talking, you equivocate.

      For goodness sake, show some courage, young man.

    503. lisab says:

      a LOT of people in purple (and blue) states

      cannot possibly admit to a pollster that they support trump … it would mean their job if they got reported.

      i MUST wear a mask at my local shopping, not because it is required, but because as a teacher if a karen saw me, i would get phone calls. it is a political statement here.

      just today i was on a zoom meeting where one of the school admin was complaining about how some right-wing parents don’t want their children wearing masks and will pretend their children have health issues that will prevent them from being required to wear masks.

    504. Scooterboy says:

      Robbie- “ I don’t think there’s 20% undecided either and I’ve long been dubious of the Hill/Harris poll just as I’ve long been dubious of Rasmussen. But I’m more than willing to have them prove me wrong.”

      So Robbie says we shouldn’t unskew polls. If you unskew a poll, it means you are doubting the poll in question.

      Then Robbie turns around and says he is dubious of Hill/Harris Poll and Rasmussen.

      Dubious meaning-“doubtful”, “not to be relied upon”, “suspect”

      The hypocrisy is astounding.

    505. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Here is a further breakdwon of the Reuters/Ipsos Poll:

      43% Biden
      37% Trump
      10% Other Candidate
      3% Will not vote
      7% Undecided

    506. Country Dick Montana says:

      “Why do you argue.”

      Sometimes you just have to try to smoke the varmint out of where he is hiding.

      And Robbie, as far as the polls are concerned, most of us here (with one trollish exception) do not believe that Trump is ahead. We simply don’t think that he is down by the percentages that are being reported. And given that Biden is still in hiding and Trump is FINALLY beginning to make the case for the stark differences that await us depending on who wins, we don’t believe that this race is ovcer.

    507. Tina says:

      TexasTeaPartyPatriot
      @adbikerider
      · 2m
      President Trump Preparing New Executive Order to Rescind DACA Amnesty After SCOTUS Decision https://bigleaguepolitics.com/president-trump-preparing-new-executive-order-to-rescind-daca-amnesty-after-scotus-decision/… via @BigLeaguePol

    508. Scooterboy says:

      You are dead certain the the “vast majority of the public” is concentrating on cases. You state as fact that a re-election campaign is a referendum on the incumbent. BUT when I ask you straight up for you opinion as to why 9% are undecided and apparently 9% aren’t talking, you equivocate.

      Because he’s a fraud.

    509. lisab says:

      one funny thing happened …

      hubby is a mask-nazi, total health nutter, sees the virus behind every door, actually wipes down all groceries with lysol wipes before allowing me to put them away.

      whereas i want to go to dunkin donuts and get a large ice coffee with 5 espresso shots 🙂 … but he almost never lets me get coffee anymore because of the virus on take out cups … grrrrrrrrr

      anyway, we were out walking last night and lo and behold, two $100 bills just lying on the ground!

      suddenly, the virus was gone … virus? what virus? there is no virus … especially on money.

      although … he did wipe down the bills when we got home 🙁

    510. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      July 8, 2020 at 5:57 pm
      BUT when I ask you straight up for you opinion as to why 9% are undecided and apparently 9% aren’t talking, you equivocate.

      For goodness sake, show some courage, young man.

      – This may come as a surprise, but I have no idea how Hill/Harris conducts their polling. I don’t know what happened to the other 9%. You asked what I thought and I gave you some ideas.

      If you want a more definite answer, personally, I think their polling is crap and I’d be more apt to believe Rasmussen and I don’t care automated polling either.

    511. lisab says:

      This may come as a surprise, but I have no idea how Hill/Harris conducts their polling.
      ————————————-

      ummmmmmm … yeah … i don’t think anyone here is surprised

    512. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Hill/Harris poll further breakdown:

      43% Biden
      39% Trump
      5% Other candidate
      5% Will not vote
      8% Not sure

    513. Tina says:

      I don’t know.

      You should stop there and say no more.

    514. VictrC says:

      Robbie – you say we won’t change our minds. You’re correct. To a person, most people here say that Trump could lose or Trump could win, its a tossup.

      That’’s different than Trump is only at 39%. See..he’s going to lose. I will bet you anythinng you want vs. a cushy job flying a BBJ for a VVIP client that he gets more than 39%, 40%, heck, even 43%.

    515. Tina says:

      Especially when said poster has a track record of being wrong.

      See Russian hoax.

      See Flynn

      See porn lawyah

      See noosecar hoax.

    516. Country Dick Montana says:

      “I think their polling is crap”…” but I have no idea how Hill/Harris conducts their polling”

      Anyone else see the irony in these statements, they seem somewhat contradictory.

      Son, I hope that you never have to make a life or death decision in the air. And if you do, I hope that I am flying on another carrier.

    517. Tina says:

      I actually liked him as a football player, but this is beyond dumb

      shannon sharpe
      @ShannonSharpe
      · 2h
      When whites say something bad in the NFL, they get Tony Dungy to clean it up. Where is the person in the Jewish community that will come to our defense?

      I’m not excusing DeSean, but whites never have to disavowal. Jerry Jones & Mr. Kraft stand lock-stock-and-barrel with Trump.

    518. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      My impression is that the voters are not particularly happy with either candidate, and the continuing epidemic is disillusioning voters and their view of both candidates, probably more so Trump.

    519. Scooterboy says:

      “ If you want a more definite answer, personally, I think their polling is crap and I’d be more apt to believe Rasmussen and I don’t care automated polling either.”

      There he goes again. It’s okay for Robbie to doubt polls, but not ok for everyone else here.

    520. Tina says:

      All republicans do is disavow.

      See quittens 2012

      See McCain 2008

      See trump and the Drat klansman

      Seee mute 43

    521. Robbie says:

      Scooterboy says:
      July 8, 2020 at 6:05 pm
      You are dead certain the the “vast majority of the public” is concentrating on cases. You state as fact that a re-election campaign is a referendum on the incumbent. BUT when I ask you straight up for you opinion as to why 9% are undecided and apparently 9% aren’t talking, you equivocate.

      Because he’s a fraud.

      – How am I supposed to know what happened to those missing 9%? I don’t know how Hill/Harris operates. I don’t work for them. But I will say I think it’s fishy that 9% is unaccounted for in their poll.

      And as I wrote in 524, I think Hill/Harris is a crap poll and I’d be more apt to believe Rasmussen and I don’t care for automated polling either.

    522. Scooterboy says:

      530. Yeah, I made that point in 518. Total hypocrisy.

    523. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Let me flip a coin, so I can make my political prediction of who will win in November. Were off the map now, and the fact polling varies so much depending on what methodology is used increases the uncertainty. I doubt I would response to an online poll, since I do not know how the information would be used.

    524. Robbie says:

      Scooterboy says:
      July 8, 2020 at 6:14 pm
      “ If you want a more definite answer, personally, I think their polling is crap and I’d be more apt to believe Rasmussen and I don’t care automated polling either.”

      There he goes again. It’s okay for Robbie to doubt polls, but not ok for everyone else here.

      – Hill/Harris could show Trump down 15 or up 20 and I wouldn’t care. I think it’s a crap poll and, unlike you, I’m not making an effort to manipulate their partisan ID to make their results more palatable.

      I think their product is garbage. Quite honestly, I’m surprised RCP use them in their average. They do so throw their number into the hopper with the other polling.

      But if you’re asking to make an assumption on the race based on their data alone, that’s not going to happen.

    525. Country Dick Montana says:

      The pollsters are getting response rates of 1% which means self selecting people who wan their opinions heard. Yet, around 20% are undecided, not voting or voting for another candidate (10% is insane.) I am not buying it.

    526. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      535. Robbie you spent years trashing the Rasmussen poll, claiming it was worthless. Now since you like the current numbers you believe the Rasmussen poll now?

    527. NYCmike says:

      I have several sisters, and many women friends – NONE of them, except the real loony progressive types, are vocal about the election.

      AND, even the loonies only speak about NOT VOTING for Trump. They do NOT say they are voting for Biden.

    528. NYCmike says:

      I believe Trump will win.

      I reserve the right to make a final prediction on the morning of November 3rd, 2020.

      (waiting for Lord Arsehat to speak, then I will do the opposite)

    529. lisab says:

      Son, I hope that you never have to make a life or death decision in the air. And if you do, I hope that I am flying on another carrier.
      —————————————-

      i wouldn’t let him make me tea … even if i spotted him the hot water, tea and cup

    530. NYCmike says:

      “i wouldn’t let him make me tea … even if i spotted him the hot water, tea and cup”

      -I got your “honey” right here, lisab!

    531. NYCmike says:

      https://www.dailywire.com/news/jk-rowling-over-100-others-sign-letter-condemning-cancel-culture-one-caves-apologizes-rowling-responds

      -J K Rowling keeps impressing me.

      This Emily VanDerWerff, on the other hand, says “….his signature makes me feel less safe…”…..are these people for real?!?!

    532. Scooterboy says:

      Robbie- “ This may come as a surprise, but I have no idea how Hill/Harris conducts their polling. I don’t know what happened to the other 9%. You asked what I thought and I gave you some ideas.

      Robbie-“ I think their product is garbage”

      So the guy who admits he has no idea how Hill/Harris conducts it’s polling, thinks their product is garbage.

      You can’t make this idiotic chit up.

    533. Cash Cow TM says:

      Leaving tomorrow morning with Walt and his missus for yet another several day trip into WV.

      I hope we will make contact with UFO people and they will beam us up.

    534. Cash Cow TM says:

      WV Governor Justice ordered that schools in WV delay opening until Sept. 8 or some such…

      Some teachers are fretting and saying (more of less) that if schools open, they will get sick and die.

      **************
      Believe it or not, some counties in WV have NEVER had ANY Covid-19 cases. No past cases, no active cases.

    535. Country Dick Montana says:

      “-J K Rowling keeps impressing me.

      This Emily VanDerWerff, on the other hand, says “….his signature makes me feel less safe…”…..are these people for real?!?!”

      They are cancelling and eating their own. What did Winston Churchill say about appeasement? It’s feeding the crocodile hoping that it eats you last.

    536. lisab says:

      Believe it or not, some counties in WV have NEVER had ANY school.

    537. NYCmike says:

      https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/paula-bolyard/2020/07/08/orwellian-teacher-blames-western-imperialism-colonization-for-concept-of-224-n614048

      -As they say “Good luck driving over the bridge built by the person who agrees that 2+2=4 is down to interpretation.”.

    538. Paul says:

      There is really no way to know if polling differences in 2016 were a “shy Trump affect” or a “female bradley affect”. Or some combination of the two. I tend to think that there might be some who have second thoughts about a female president once they get into the voting booth.

    539. Robbie says:

      SanDiegoCitizen says:
      July 8, 2020 at 6:26 pm
      535. Robbie you spent years trashing the Rasmussen poll, claiming it was worthless. Now since you like the current numbers you believe the Rasmussen poll now?

      – Hardly. I was showing how low my opinion of Hill/Harris is that I would be more apt to believe Rasmussen. And by the way, I don’t have any faith in that poll either whether it shows Biden ahead 10 or Trump ahead 10. I think automated polling is questionable at best. Let’s not forget Rasmussen’s last generic poll in 2018 showed Republicans winning.

    540. Hugh says:

      Paul. You’re an idiot both parties would love a female president provided they represented their views. Hillary being a woman was a plus.

    541. Robbie says:

      Scooterboy says:
      July 8, 2020 at 6:40 pm
      Robbie- “ This may come as a surprise, but I have no idea how Hill/Harris conducts their polling. I don’t know what happened to the other 9%. You asked what I thought and I gave you some ideas.

      Robbie-“ I think their product is garbage”

      So the guy who admits he has no idea how Hill/Harris conducts it’s polling, thinks their product is garbage.

      You can’t make this idiotic chit up.

      – There’s no contradiction in what I wrote. I don’t know what happened to the 9% that’s not accounted for in their polling and I find it fishy. Regardless, I’ve never cared for Harris polling since Mark Penn took it over.

      I feel the same way with Rasmussen and Emerson. I don’t trust the methodology of automated polling. For instance, when Emerson releases their polls, they almost never have undecideds. Does anyone really think there were no undecideds in the poll Emerson conducted on June 2/3?

      If you want to know the three polls I do trust, they are FoxNews, Pew, and NBC/WSJ. Are they perfect? No, but they seem to always be the polls with the least amount of “lean” in either direction.

    542. PresidentPaul! says:

      The death count will come you just have to give it time since it lags the case load rise. Need a few weeks before it’s there.

    543. UgandanAttorney says:

      I think a lot of commentators are misreading the polls right now. The proper comparison to be made with 2016 is not to compare the polls now with the final results; the proper apples-to-apples comparison is between the polls now and what the polls showed at this time in 2016.

      Trump is clearly behind his pace nationally from where he was at this time in 2016. But in the states, he’s tied or ahead of his pace in some states (e.g., Wisconsin, Iowa, Ohio) and behind in some states by around three points of where he was at this time in 2016 (e.g, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Florida, North Carolina).

      If you are the type who credits the polls in 2016, then Trump really only has to make up the ground now that he made from where he was in 2016 to pull this race into a toss-up in the electoral college.

      In 2016, the final national polls ended up being accurate where the state polls missed. Perhaps the state polls will be right this time while the national polls miss.

    544. Robbie says:

      Cash Cow TM says:
      July 8, 2020 at 6:45 pm
      Believe it or not, some counties in WV have NEVER had ANY Covid-19 cases. No past cases, no active cases.

      – There may still be one county in Kentucky that hasn’t had a confirmed case either.

    545. PresidentPaul! says:

      When death rate was falling people were just fooled bc last month the cases were falling so it was just a lagged response.

      They were fooled w “just the flu” in late feb/march w high cases but low mortality

      Now they are again fixated on death rate to get fooled again.

    546. Country Dick Montana says:

      Peak deaths was April 23. The death Vs 3 week previous case (7 day average) was 9.6%

      May 1: 6.0%
      May 15: 4.9%
      June 1: 4.1%
      June 15: 3.4%
      July 1: 2.6%

      Those are the death RATES. The RATE is falling. It looks like we are getting a bump in overall deaths, but nationally still well below what NY was showing at the peak. I would imagine that the RATE will continue to fall and we may see a leveling out of deaths at around 500 a day on the average, not over 2000.

    547. Robbie says:

      SanDiegoCitizen says:
      July 8, 2020 at 6:10 pm
      Hill/Harris poll further breakdown:

      43% Biden
      39% Trump
      5% Other candidate
      5% Will not vote
      8% Not sure

      – I blew right by this earlier, but this explains the funky Hill/Harris numbers. I think it’s highly dubious for pollster to present their numbers as though it’s a H2H poll when they’re really polling a much different question than other pollsters.

      If they’re polling a two person race, it should be Trump, Biden, and undecided. If they want to poll Trump, Biden, an unnamed choice, or undecided, that’s ok as well. But to throw in a “will not vote” is just dumb. It strikes me as an effort to game the results.

    548. Paul says:

      555: Hugh: Yes, I agree that I may be an idiot. I think the science behind either “Shy Trumps” and “Bradley effects” are pretty flimsy.

      In 2016, there may have been a small number who felt like the idea of a female president was nice when polled. But then changed their minds with the reality of the female being Clinton.

    549. UgandanAttorney says:

      Robbie,

      Marist also gives “other” and “undecided” as options in their polling.

    550. Paul says:

      And Hugh:

      I do think sexism is a bigger factor in the presidency than other offices or job positions because:

      We’ve never had a female in that position. President has to deal with foreign powers. Since we haven’t had one, we don’t immediately see how it works.

      Once we have a female president and see her with other foreign leaders (many of whom are also female), it will no longer be an issue.

    551. Tina says:

      JOE BIDEN: “You know, back in the 30s, when we had the first breakthrough in terms of what and, from, uh, having union movement be able to move.”

      https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1281014394760187905

    552. Robbie says:

      UgandanAttorney says:
      July 8, 2020 at 8:13 pm
      Robbie,

      Marist also gives “other” and “undecided” as options in their polling.

      – Yeah. Like I said in 562, that’s ok. It’s the “will not vote” in the Hill/Harris poll that’s a problem for me.

    553. UgandanAttorney says:

      Actually, I think that’s one of the better aspects of the Hill-Harris poll. Pollsters incorrectly assume that voting is something a registered voter has to do when we know that is clearly not the case just from the voting statistics.

      The bigger problem to me is that it appears to be an online poll. Online polls lack the issue of response rates of live caller and automated polls but it’s tough to see how anything resembling a representative sample can be obtained from a poll conducted online.

    554. Robbie says:

      UgandanAttorney

      I’m definitely dubious of online polls and have said so in this forum going back at least five years. I’m willing to have my mind changed, but I haven’t seen anything over the years that’s eased my issues with them.

      My issue with the “will not vote” is pollsters are trying to determine how those who show up to vote will actually vote. There’s not an option on the ballot for “will not vote” or “none of the above” so it’s seems like a distortion of the finding.

    555. jason says:

      Robbie spent all day attacking the polls he doesn’t like….

      But remember, he “doesn’t cherry pick polls”.

      “Regardless, I’ve never cared for Harris polling”

      But he likes FoxNews, Pew, and NBC/WSJ (unless they are favorable to Trump),

      But no, he doesn’t cherry pick polls.

      Like I said yesterday, NOBODY here cherry picks polls more than Robbie.

      Of course if the Harris poll showed Biden ahead by 9 like he wants it to be, then he would LOVE it.

    556. jason says:

      Believe it or not, some counties in WV have NEVER had ANY Covid-19 cases. No past cases, no active cases.”

      There are over 100 counties in Texas with zero deaths.

    557. Phil says:

      Yep, the old Robbie we all know and love. Back in the saddle again.

    558. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 8, 2020 at 9:02 pm
      Robbie spent all day attacking the polls he doesn’t like….

      But remember, he “doesn’t cherry pick polls”.

      “Regardless, I’ve never cared for Harris polling”

      But he likes FoxNews, Pew, and NBC/WSJ (unless they are favorable to Trump),

      But no, he doesn’t cherry pick polls.

      Like I said yesterday, NOBODY here cherry picks polls more than Robbie.

      Of course if the Harris poll showed Biden ahead by 9 like he wants it to be, then he would LOVE it

      – This is the chef’s kiss of Jason’s posts. So much misinformation, but I’ll set the record straight.

      I use the RCP average which includes polls I think are garbage like Harris and Rasmussen. The RCP average isn’t perfect, but using a collection of polls smooths out the outliers and junk.

      If you were to force me to say which polls I think are the best, I believe FoxNews, NBC/WSJ, and Pew are a cut above the rest. That doesn’t mean I think they should be used on their own to prove anything, but I think they’re certainly better than relying on Quinnipiac or CBS/NYT polls.

    559. Wes says:

      About those Covid-free places in WV, I guess the solution to the virus is to drop IQs into single digits.

    560. Tina says:

      The deaths today are high.

      No found 141 more dating back weeks, if not months.

      Only 5 were new

      Plus there is a lot of catch up from the holiday weekend.

    561. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 8, 2020 at 9:24 pm
      Yep, the old Robbie we all know and love. Back in the saddle again.

      – It seems you decided I was the “old” Robbie when you decided you didn’t like or disagreed with my analysis of the race.

      Would you rather me say Trump in far better shape than the press suggests because the Hill/Harris poll or a Trafalgar poll says otherwise?

      I’m not saying much that’s different from what I think you believe. I think the polling for Trump stinks, he’s likely to lose, and the focus should probably shift to the saving the Senate. Isn’t that what you generally believe right now?

    562. Tina says:

      NJ*

      This is per Phil Kerpens twitter feed.

    563. CountryDickMontana says:

      Concentrate on saving the Senate, huh? How do you propose to do that. Most of the Republican Senate voted are going to come from the same people who vote for Trump. The same people who want to see disenfranchised. You have gone beyond stupid.

    564. Tina says:

      It’s 2016 redux

      Give up presidential race,

      He should quit the race,

      Save the senate.

      Rinse and repeat.

    565. Tina says:

      Kurt Schlichter
      @KurtSchlichter
      Biden will NEVER debate
      @realDonaldTrump
      .

      He’s senile.

      And they know it.

    566. CountryDickMontana says:

      I breading American Lion about Andrew Jackson. Interesting parallels to Trump. Country split, deep state against h as an interloper, his entire cabinet resigned or was fired. It really looks like today.

    567. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      You may be getting a preview of the 2022 California governor’s race.

      +The number of cases of coronavirus in California is rising in places like Los Angeles and Orange County; where testing is showing an outbreak in a young demographic. The liberal press is not drawing the logical conclusion; many thousands of young people demonstrating together in close proximity, a substantial part of whom did not have facemasks, might have had something to do with it.

      +Instead Gov. Newsom blames indoor dining, and has ordered it ended in much of California for three weeks, including San Diego.

      +Republican California Mayor Faulconer has responded by issuing an executive order allowing outdoor dining on sidewalks and parking lots, with no need for a permit. Just go out and do it; which restaurants are doing. How can Newsom respond? Require another lockdown — the first one was massively unpopular.

      Faulconer is widely talked about as a challenger to Newsom. I have to admit, as someone who had a very low opinion of Faulconer: I respect what he has been doing now; he has my vote.

    568. Scooterboy says:

      Jason- Robbie spent all day attacking the polls he doesn’t like….

      But remember, he “doesn’t cherry pick polls”.

      “Regardless, I’ve never cared for Harris polling”

      But he likes FoxNews, Pew, and NBC/WSJ (unless they are favorable to Trump),

      But no, he doesn’t cherry pick polls.

      Like I said yesterday, NOBODY here cherry picks polls more than Robbie.

      Of course if the Harris poll showed Biden ahead by 9 like he wants it to be, then he would LOVE it.

      Yep, and he’s too much of a moron to figure out just how hypocritical he looks.

    569. NYCmike says:

      “save the Senate” = current day RINO-speak for Neville Chamberlain’s “peace in our time”.

    570. NYCmike says:

      https://outkick.com/notorious-lbj-mo-than-an-athlete-mo-problems/

      -Another good piece….but then Whitlock feels the need to add this line: “The truth is LeBron is a lot like the reality TV star who launched himself into the White House to prove he’s more than a billionaire. Mixing good intentions with ignorance, ego, greed and the privilege that goes along with being born into enormous wealth and/or athleticism can be quite dangerous.”

      “more than a billionaire”?

      I doubt that is why Trump did it. Considering that he ran on, and had spoken about, the same issues since a 1980’s-era interview with Oprah Winfrey, Trump more likely did it because the “professional” politicians he defeated were rank amateurs, and he knew he could beat them.

    571. Wes says:

      NYCmike says:
      July 8, 2020 at 9:51 pm
      “save the Senate” = current day RINO-speak for Neville Chamberlain’s “peace in our time”.

      I told you Mikey wants Schumer to be Senate Majority Leader.

    572. NYCmike says:

      https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/jim-treacher/2020/07/08/black-activists-in-minneapolis-do-not-want-to-defund-the-police-n616633

      -Something tells me that the Republican Party, if they tried, still couldn’t get elected in Minneapolis.

      So sad to watch Giuliani’s efforts, which spilled out of NYC across the whole nation, come to a screeching halt the way they have the last 6 weeks.

      So easy to destroy, so tough to build.

    573. NYCmike says:

      Wes drops by with another nugget of crap.

      10:12PM right on time!

    574. Phil says:

      Ok, Robbie. How are you going to save the Senate by abandoning the top of the ticket? Of course, in your case, you aren’t abandoning the ticket since you never got on board to begin with. Joe and his leftist puppet masters in control of the executive branch? No biggie, right?

      Undecided? Why in God’s name would that even be an option for any Republican…I mean, outside of you and Mitt and the gang of “Republicans” over at the Bulwark that is.

      Guess we really are all Democrats now, right?

      You think there isn’t going to be irreversible damage done by Biden and whatever leftist woman he chooses to finish his term? You seem to think that Nikki Haley or some other Republican squish is going to ride to the rescue in 2024 and save us? I got news for you, by the time the Democrats get through with the electoral process in four years there won’t even be a Republican Party any longer…or if there is one it will be along the lines of the California Republican Party – in other words it will be a virtual paper tiger…no real opposition. Voting rights for millions of illegals under the banner of “path to citizenship” will be their first priority. After that we’ll get all kinds of mail in voting legislation. We know what that’s all about. Between those two propositions the Republican Party will never ever again even sniff the WH. California here we come!

      ….but oh yeah, you’re undecided. Give me a break.

      Of course, I’m not convinced you’d be at all bothered by any of it.

    575. Robbie says:

      CountryDickMontana says:
      July 8, 2020 at 9:37 pm
      Concentrate on saving the Senate, huh? How do you propose to do that. Most of the Republican Senate voted are going to come from the same people who vote for Trump. The same people who want to see disenfranchised. You have gone beyond stupid.

      – I didn’t say it would be easy. In 1996, Republicans in the last few weeks of the race changed their message to “Don’t give Clinton a blank check”. It worked then, but I acknowledge it would be tough to make it work now mostly because I think Trump would campaign against any Republicans who break with him.

    576. Robbie says:

      Scooterboy says:
      July 8, 2020 at 9:51 pm
      Yep, and he’s too much of a moron to figure out just how hypocritical he looks.

      – Unskew!

    577. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 8, 2020 at 9:38 pm
      It’s 2016 redux

      Give up presidential race,

      He should quit the race,

      Save the senate.

      Rinse and repeat.

      – If I thought there was a chance Trump would quit the race, I’d advocate for it 24 hours a day because I think Mike Pence paired with either Nikki Haley or Condi Rice would defeat Biden.

      Trump’s not going to quit the race, though.

    578. PresidentPaul! says:

      The book the fourth turning written in 1997 talked about around 2020 there would be the fourth turning, which is essentially a generational shift in culture and governance.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory

    579. Robbie says:

      NYCmike says:
      July 8, 2020 at 9:51 pm
      “save the Senate” = current day RINO-speak for Neville Chamberlain’s “peace in our time”.

      – You’re pretty much on record wanting RINO’s purged so I doubt you care if Republicans lose the Senate.

      You’ll probably quote Jim DeMint who said he’d rather have 40 conservatives in the Senate than 55 Republicans.

    580. NYCmike says:

      “Trump’s not going to quit the race, though.”

      -Nor should he.

      The Democratic Party is for the idea that 2+2 may not have to equal 4……depending on your outlook on past grievances…..yet you, an airline pilot, is “undecided”.

      Fly with less fuel and a full complement of passengers and baggage next time…..let us know how it turns out.

    581. NYCmike says:

      “– You’re pretty much on record wanting RINO’s purged so I doubt you care if Republicans lose the Senate.”

      -Name 1 Democrat, instead of Republican, I wanted to win.

      I’ll wait.

    582. NYCmike says:

      Robbie, do you not understand the difference between a primary vote and a general election vote?

    583. PresidentPaul! says:

      Trump should flat out say that Joe Biden WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT.

      He might technically be president for a month, but the progressive wolves will be coming for him as soon as he takes office.

      They want to put in a radical as VP because they know if a Bernie can’t win the primary they can always backdoor a Bernie since Biden will have to resign.

    584. NYCmike says:

      And tell me again – were you for or against the primary system?

    585. Robbie says:

      NYCmike says:
      July 8, 2020 at 10:30 pm
      “– You’re pretty much on record wanting RINO’s purged so I doubt you care if Republicans lose the Senate.”

      -Name 1 Democrat, instead of Republican, I wanted to win.

      I’ll wait.

      – You don’t wait for the general election to defeat RINO’s. You kneecap them in primaries when you support clowns like Angle, COD, Buck, Mourdock, and all the rest of the real conservatives who blew unlosable Senate races.

    586. PresidentPaul! says:

      #601
      And you supported John McCain who stole the GOP nomination to implement communism and wars.

    587. Wes says:

      Everyone knows Robbie wants Republicans to lose the Senate so Schumer can run the chamber, Robbie. He doesn’t invariably support strictly unelectable Senate candidates out of any desire to see McConnell continue as Majority Leader.

    588. NYCmike says:

      “Everyone knows Robbie wants Republicans to lose the Senate so Schumer can run the chamber, Robbie.”

      -Wes is in such a rush to write his gibberish, that names just get thrown around.

      LOL!

    589. Robbie says:

      Wes says:
      July 8, 2020 at 10:34 pm
      Everyone knows Robbie wants Republicans to lose the Senate so Schumer can run the chamber, Robbie. He doesn’t invariably support strictly unelectable Senate candidates out of any desire to see McConnell continue as Majority Leader.

      – Huh? I guessing you meant NYCmike wants Schumer to run the chamber. I sure don’t.

    590. NYCmike says:

      “He doesn’t invariably support strictly unelectable Senate candidates out of any desire to see McConnell continue as Majority Leader.”

      -I would love to see the last time I complained about McConnell……and the reason why I did.

      I would probably still be correct in my criticism, as I didn’t do it that often.

    591. NYCmike says:

      Robbie in response to Wes:

      “– Huh?”

      Robbie, lot of that going around. Let Wes get his verbal diarrhea out…..helps him deal with Tink and the baby.

    592. NYCmike says:

      Angle and Buck – which incumbents did they beat?

      Or were their primary opponents guaranteed to win the general election?

      Do you blame those primary opponents for losing the primary?

      Or do you only blame the candidate when the name is Bevin?

    593. Tina says:

      I still want Hillary for President.

      -jebot

    594. NYCmike says:

      Don’t understand the Wes fascination with saying something as stupid as I want Schumer to be Majority Leader.

      Is there a certificate for that or something? A license?

    595. jason says:

      Or were their primary opponents guaranteed to win the general election?”

      Yes. Both were slam dunks. Angle and Buck, two deadenders that cost winnable seats.

    596. NYCmike says:

      “I guessing” – grammar wasn’t your best subject.

    597. Tina says:

      And amnesty for 11 million. The gopers special

      Daily Caller
      @DailyCaller
      · 17m
      Bernie Sanders says that his set of joint policy recommendations with Democratic nominee Joe Biden “will make Biden the most progressive president since FDR”

    598. NYCmike says:

      “Yes. Both were slam dunks. Angle and Buck, two deadenders that cost winnable seats.”

      -“Both were slam dunks” = “winnable”

      Hmmmmmm…….something tells me that A-Hole doesn’t have any proof to back up the first part of his comment, which is why he equivocates in the 2nd part.

    599. Robbie says:

      Sue Lowden, Jane Norton, and Mike Castle were surefire winners in 2010.

      The Tea Party deadenders torpedoed them in their primaries.

    600. Wes says:

      Sorry, Robbie. That was my mistake. I meant to type Mikey’s name and refer to you by direct address. I was distracted though, so I mistyped.

      Mea culpa.

    601. jason says:

      Name 1 Democrat, instead of Republican, I wanted to win.”

      I love softball questions.

      All of them.

      But your favorite “formidable candidate” that you pimped here for a year, Allison Grimes, a complete moron wacko, lost by what, 15?

    602. NYCmike says:

      Mike Castle probably would have won the Senate seat.

      The other 2 were not guaranteed….and you know it.

      Show your proof of that “guarantee”.

    603. NYCmike says:

      jason,

      Grimes was Robbie’s candidate, not mine.

      That comment you copied and pasted was mine, not Robbie’s.

      Are all of you drinking heavily tonight?

    604. Robbie says:

      Buck and Angle were nonstop gaffe machines. First Amendment remedies, anyone?

    605. jason says:

      Don’t understand the Wes fascination with saying something as stupid as I want Schumer to be Majority Leader.”

      Not stupid at all. Your Mikey Maneuvers, trading winnable R seats for deadenders sending a message are aimed at exactly that.

    606. Tgca says:

      British spy Steele busted for being misleading by British court. He’s got to pay his accusers. Love it!

      A central allegation by a former British spy in his dossier about alleged ties between Moscow and Donald Trump’s presidential campaign was “inaccurate and misleading,” a London judge ruled

      But Judge Mark Warby ruled Wednesday that Steele’s intelligence firm “failed to take reasonable steps to verify the allegation”

      https://www.newsmax.com/us/steele-dossier/2020/07/08/id/976334/

    607. NYCmike says:

      I am still trying to figure out who will have the epic meltdown, a la MD, this year.

      “CG” already went off the deep end.
      Robbie is always on the edge.
      Wes is an up-and-comer.

      Jason is still an A-Hole, but seems too grounded in that job to go full-MD.

    608. Cash Cow TM says:

      Well I see that some of you mofos just could not resist getting a dig into the good people of WV.

      for shame….

    609. jason says:

      Buck, a complete moron, came close to winning.

      Sue Norton would have won easily.

      So would Lowden.

    610. jason says:

      Huh Sue Lowden and Gail Norton…

    611. NYCmike says:

      #626 – Evidence?

      Thanks, I’ll wait.

    612. NYCmike says:

      jason: I GUARANTEE SUE NORTON would win!

    613. NYCmike says:

      She would beat GAIL LOWDEN by a llama’s tail!

    614. NYCmike says:

      “#626 – Evidence?”

      jason: My comment in #626.

    615. NYCmike says:

      jason accused me of “Group Think” earlier, for wanting conservative/Republican commenters to highlight their similarities instead of their differences during an election year.

      Now, jason does his rendition of “NO THINK,JUSTSAY”.

    616. Tgca says:

      I’ve been to WV. Beautiful state. Folks I met there seemed good people to me. Just because they’re a bit more reserved does not make them ignorant.

      Not sure why folks think people their should be ridiculed. Those folks should look at their own state before passing judgment on others.

    617. Robbie says:

      My favorite 2010 send a message candidate wasn’t even in a Senate race. It was the NY governor’s race. Rick Lazio probably would’ve lost to Cuomo, but Carl Paladino was a train wreck who carried a baseball bat while he conceded a nearly 2 to 1 defeat.

    618. jason says:

      July 1 deaths 727
      July 1 cases 52358

      July 8 deaths 890
      July 8 cases 61848

      IHME

      Projected Actual
      July 1 640 676 +26
      July 2 642 687 +45
      July 3 644 616 -28
      July 4 646 254 -392
      July 5 648 251 -397
      July 6 648 378 -270
      July 7 653 994 +341
      July 8 653 890 +237

    619. lisab says:

      robbie says:

      Cry more, moron. The only heinous people are the idiots like you who defend this incompetent presidency nonstop. Sadly, you have no idea what’s going to hit you in November.

    620. PresidentPaul! says:

      The Fed claimed it gave out only 600 billion in currency swamp lines, but when Ron Paul finally achieved his audit, we actually found out that in 2008 the Fed had 19 trillion dollars committed in total.

      We found out a follow up through a bloomberg FOIA act that was fought, but a judge eventually forced through noting it was actually 29 trillion in credit lines for foreign bailouts.

      No doubt it’s even bigger this time.

    621. Scooterboy says:

      Lisab, I have to give you credit. You called out the fraudster long before I did.

    622. Tina says:

      But muh cases…

      Carl Quintanilla
      @carlquintanilla
      · 10h
      JPMORGAN: “.. we do not see cases in southern/western states resulting in mortality rates similar to those observed in the Northeast during March and April. .. likely due to a larger % of mild and asymptomatic cases, a younger average age, better treatment, and more .. testing.”

    623. chicon says:

      A guy from North Carolina has the stones to comment on the IQ of people from another state….

      I love this place.

    624. NYCmike says:

      #634 – “send a message candidate” in 2010 NY State??

      Are you serious?

      The primary vote was 61%+ to 38%.

      Paladino actually showed some fire, while Lazio looked to be sleepwalking. Why should any voter reward a person who isn’t even trying to win?

      Paladino tried. Miserably, for sure, but he painted a picture of Cuomo that, looking back, was right on!

      What did Lazio do? He acted like Jeb2016!. Like it was his spot and he didn’t need to do anything to get it.

      Send a message my arse!

      The Republican primary voters went with the only candidate who was willing to do whatever it took to win, as opposed to being a gracious loser, like a 2008 McCain.

    625. NYCmike says:

      “Lisab, I have to give you credit. You called out the fraudster long before I did.”

      -Come on Scooter, give me some credit there as well.

    626. Wes says:

      Hey, Chicon, the people of my state didn’t elect an Obama lapdog to the Senate while claiming to vote in opposition to Obama.

      You can’t get stupider than a West Virginian. Mikey tries has damnedest but hasn’t succeeded.

    627. Robbie says:

      The only frauds are poll unskewers.

    628. lisab says:

      The only frauds are poll unskewers.
      —————————————-

      robbie says:

      Few in this forum have been as transparent as I have been. I’ve never shied away from a fight in this forum and I don’t think anyone has ever had to wonder on which side of the fence my views are.

    629. lisab says:

      EXCLUSIVE: ‘She has copies of everything Epstein had.’ Ghislaine Maxwell ‘has secret stash of pedophile’s sex tapes’ that could implicate world’s most powerful and ‘will try to use them to save herself’

    630. Diogenes says:

      Normal, Educated person:

      Presents an argument. Presents well-cited arguments with credible sources. Avoids logical fallacies such as ad hominem attacks.

      Hedgehogger:

      All credible sources are “mainstream media lies.” People with credible sources are “vile and disgusting” like Robbie. Constantly makes ad hominem attacks which is one of the prime logical fallacies. Constantly engages in paranoid conspiracy theories that are only corroborated by other paranoid, delusional posters.

      The common thread between lisab, tcga, and many other posters on this board is the complete and utter inability to sort out good information from the bad.

      This place is such a trash heap now.

    631. lisab says:

      The common thread between lisab, tcga, and many other posters on this board is the complete and utter inability to sort out good information from the bad.
      —————–

      but … but … we are just posting robbie’s own words 🙂

    632. PresidentPaul! says:

      Horrible new Steven Schmidt and #racistRickWilson ad aimed at getting majority leader Schumer and defeating senate republicans.

      https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1280994967633235969?s=20

    633. lisab says:

      Robbie says:

      Remember two weeks ago when the impeached president told the rubes at his Nuremberg-style rally corona virus was a hoax?

    634. Gordon Allen says:

      Too little is made of the 1% response rate in polls. I was taken aback to hear that. Thought it was closer to 6%, itself low historically. Clearly a self selecting sample of voters is driving the poll results.Also interesting is that polling firms are apparently hiding that from the general public.

    635. PresidentPaul! says:

      Biden will never do a debate (he physically can’t) and he’ll never be president (he physically can’t.)

      They’ll announce he has dementia immediately so his Bernie bro VP can take over.

    636. PresidentPaul! says:

      The 930m Nasdaq Party

      https://twitter.com/KeithMcCullough/status/1281189515630125057?s=20

      China tech and Gold\metals are bull trend also. And finland and Russia to a lessor extent.

    637. PresidentPaul! says:

      32% of Americans miss July mortgage payment

      https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/08/32-percent-of-us-households-missed-their-july-housing-payments.html

      What I find crazy is people are even willing to take these mortgages in the first place if they are riding things on the razers edge.

    638. Tina says:

      And reiterating 11 million for amnesty.

      Zach Parkinson
      @AZachParkinson
      ·
      12h
      In one fell swoop, the Biden campaign not only plagiarized, it also embraced Sanders’ radical-left wing policies.

    639. PresidentPaul! says:

      Don Jr lays into Demented Joe

      “Donald Trump Jr.
      @DonaldJTrumpJr
      ·
      2m
      Looks like Joe Biden is back to plagiarizing again. I guess old habits die hard. Good thread.”

      https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1281201360147546116?s=20

      Pow! Bam! Wham! Zap! Boom!

    640. PresidentPaul! says:

      If Demented chooses a VP this early, he will have to lock her up in the basement with him otherwise she will be out campaigning while he is in there.

      This would look bad so he has to wait as long as possible before he chooses.

    641. PresidentPaul! says:

      Well I didn’t mean “choose” a VP since he can’t do that.

      He has to wait longer before he is a assigned one of the Bernie Bro VPs.

    642. Tina says:

      Breaking

      Big drop in weekly jobless claims as well as continuing claims.

    643. PresidentPaul! says:

      I’m old enough to remember back when we were watching Covid-19 in Jan and late feb being “just the flu” because its numbers were rising but no one was actually dying.

      Fool me won’t get fooled again.

      Except, I wasn’t fooled just as I am not fooled this time.

      I had sold 100% of my stonks when TSHF already.

    644. PresidentPaul! says:

      Buying China this week. Hate to admit it since I dislike this country, but I can’t let the china tech rally go unbought.

      fomo

    645. Tina says:

      Huge drop in confusing claims this week, and a huge downward revision for the previous week in this series.

      https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/09/weekly-jobless-claims.html

    646. Tina says:

      Remember when the jebots claims that the unemployment numbers did not mean anything because the data had a cut off date of 6/15?

    647. PresidentPaul! says:

      I think these jobs reports are cooked somehow but whatever I’m glad the fomofutures up up.

    648. Bitterlaw says:

      I have been watching a series on CSpan 3 about the First Ladies. Only missed the first episode on Martha Washington and Abigail Adams. Very interesting take on history from a different perspective. Tonight is Hillary Clinton and Laura Bush.

      Jason to make this gayest post of the day in 3…2…1…

    649. PresidentPaul! says:

      https://kraneshares.com/kweb/

      My new fav ETF. No reason to leave the party until it ends (although it will end hard)

      Bullish trend; china is rocking

    650. PresidentPaul! says:

      If Trump decides to bring the hammer down on Hong Kong not allowing their banks access to US dollars then the HK dollar PEG will break and China will have a massive short of US dollars.

      So they are just blowing up a massive stock bubble to bring in US dollars preemptively.

      Well maybe that’s what is going on.

      Of course it doesn’t matter the reason in reality since the party is the party.

    651. Country Dick Montana says:

      https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/UNITY-TASK-FORCE-RECOMMENDATIONS.pdf

      I have not had a chance to read this, but I will in it’s entirety. I just sent this to my kids. One is conservative (he is in my business), one is somewhat woke, but has libertarian leaning, the youngest doesn’t seem to care.

      I told them that I want better for them than I had. I asked them to read it and ask themselves how it will affect them and how it will affect their loved ones.

    652. Robbie says:

      lisab says:
      July 9, 2020 at 12:20 am
      The only frauds are poll unskewers.
      —————————————-

      robbie says:

      Few in this forum have been as transparent as I have been. I’ve never shied away from a fight in this forum and I don’t think anyone has ever had to wonder on which side of the fence my views are.

      – Apparently, lisab nothing better to do at 1 AM that hunt for comments of mine from months and even years ago.

    653. Robbie says:

      Diogenes says:
      July 9, 2020 at 12:54 am

      This place is such a trash heap now.

      – Yeah, it’s a trash heap and has been for a long time, but that’s also part of its charm.

    654. Country Dick Montana says:

      Robbie –

      See the link in 671? It seems that since you aren’t flying much you should have plenty of time to read what’s coming down if the Dems pull the Trifecta. It is 110 pages and filled with a lot of fluff, but there is enough there to at least inform you in no uncertain terms where they stand.

      If after reading this you are still undecided as to how to vote, then there is no help for you. You either want this in its entirety or you don’t. Binary choice.

    655. jason says:

      Jason to make this gayest post of the day in 3…2…1…”

      I would, except instead I will admire your intestinal fortitude to watch anything related to Hillary Clinton.

    656. Tina says:

      I cannot wait till we get trumps tax returnS

      Jebot

    657. jason says:

      Yeah, it’s a trash heap and has been for a long time,”

      Says the guy that is still here and the guy who posts more trash than anyone else.

    658. jason says:

      pparently, lisab nothing better to do at 1 AM that hunt for comments of mine from months and even years ago.”

      Translation: I hate when people prove I am a liar and a fraud.

    659. Scooterboy says:

      674. “ If after reading this you are still undecided”
      Lol. Fraudie never has been undecided.

    660. PresidentPaul! says:

      Anyone else think Biden is going to look like the #2 on the ticket once he chooses this VP, and she is out doing speeches and interviews.

      He needs to find a female, a minority, and someone who never wants to leave the basement to overshadow him somehow.

    661. jason says:

      he Republican primary voters went with the only candidate who was willing to do whatever it took to win”

      SEND A MESSAGE! ELECT MORE LIBERAL DEMS!

      SCHUMER FOR MAJORITY LEADER!

      NYC really has a great message there.

    662. Tina says:

      Biden is invincible.

      -jebot

    663. jason says:

      674. “ If after reading this you are still undecided”
      Lol. Fraudie never has been undecided.”

      Of course not.

      When you get offended because you see a poll showing Trump down by 4 points and you spend all day attacking it because it doesn’t fit your narrative, it shows your true colors. Nobody would be that emotionally involved in attacking a poll that shows the guy you want to win down by 4 points.

    664. Tina says:

      I was for her and now I am for him.

      -jebor

    665. Country Dick Montana says:

      https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/UNITY-TASK-FORCE-RECOMMENDATIONS.pd

      I am posting this again as people really need to read it. I am 15 page in and the America that they describe and want to fix is almost dystopian. It is a tough read.

      BTW the Co-Chairs of this statement are John Kerry and AOC.

    666. Phil says:

      Binary choice.

      Yeah, that’s pretty much obvious by now.

      Unfortunately, Robbie thinks a Democratic administration will be a rather harmless affair for four years and that some Jeb clone will ride into the WH in four years and we will all live happily ever after….except, of course, Democrats will use their four years to overhaul the electoral mechanism to the point where a Republican won’t be able to win many federal elections. By now you’d think Robbie would see who Democrats are when it comes to getting power and the lengths they will go to both obtain it and keep it.

      I can’t decide whether he’s actually that naive or some sort of Wolf in sheep’s clothing masquerading as a “concerned’ Republican….sort of like the useful idiots over at the Bulwark. I’m really not sure which. I hope Biden appreciates Robbie’s non vote as much as the present loon sitting in the Kentucky governor’s mansion does.

    667. Stonewall DW says:

      PPP out with a push poll to try and bring Alaska into play. Party ID is 40% Dem, 22% GOP, 20% Independent and 18% sled dogs.

    668. Bitterlaw says:

      BOOM – Trump tax return case remanded to 2d Circuit…

    669. Tina says:

      Which case, there are 2 bl.

      He has to give up his returns to,Vance in Ny, 7-2 decision.

      I think you may have the 2nd case (house suit)

    670. Phil says:

      At least posters like Jason, Wes, and SDC have brains enough to, while they aren’t wild about Trump and didn’t vote for him in 2016, recognize the consequences of what the Democrats have in store for this country and will vote accordingly.

    671. Bitterlaw says:

      That was NY case.

      Waiting on House case

    672. jason says:

      The poll that shows 38% think Biden has dementia and 61% that he needs to address the issue is interesting.

      First, it shows a lot of Dems are in denial about it, whether they care or not. And of course they shouldn’t care, what they want is the Presidency and if the VP has to take over fine with them.

      But this number of 38% is not going to go down. It is going to go up. Trump won the Presidency with a a pretty significant majority, around 60%, saying he was not fit for office. But that was based on a general view, not something specific like dementia.

      Will Indies ignore his dementia (or mental impairment) if they are convinced of it. The VP thing will be less important to them than to Dems, obviously.

      Time will tell.

    673. Tina says:

      Langdale.ca
      @langdaleca
      · 4m
      It sounds like SCOTUS said that Trump can re-argue new grounds in lower courts, essentially delaying this decision on another appeal, assuming the lower courts don’t agree, thus coming back to SCOTUS on different grounds.

    674. Tina says:

      Thanks Bl, though so.

      Anyway, he can still raise new issues.

    675. Bitterlaw says:

      Case on House is 7-2 sort of in favor of Trump.

    676. Scooterboy says:

      Jason- “ Of course not.

      When you get offended because you see a poll showing Trump down by 4 points and you spend all day attacking it because it doesn’t fit your narrative, it shows your true colors. Nobody would be that emotionally involved in attacking a poll that shows the guy you want to win down by 4 points.”

      Exactly.

    677. Scooterboy says:

      Phil, you are much closer to the truth than you realize.

      Phil- “I can’t decide whether he’s actually that naive or some sort of Wolf in sheep’s clothing masquerading as a “concerned’ Republican”

    678. Phil says:

      Yeah, the plan is to elect Biden, hide him in his basement through Inauguration Day and shortly thereafter have him step down and turn everything over to Kamala or whatever liberal loon has been designated by Biden’s leftist puppet masters as his runningmate.

      This isn’t hard to figure out. Not exactly rocket science.

    679. Bitterlaw says:

      Looks like Trump is not immune from having to hand over tax returns BUT he can fight handing them over like any other person. So………

      Get ready for the July 2021 SCOTUS Opinions on whether Trump has to turn over tax records.

    680. jason says:

      Republican Rep. Jeff Van Drew won his Republican primary Tuesday, beating his challenger, Bob Patterson, by over 60 points, The New York Times reported.”

      Can he win the GE?

    681. dblaikie says:

      Well legally Trump won with Congress but lost with NYC DA. But politically he won since there is no way he will release his taxes before election.

    682. jason says:

      can’t decide whether he’s actually that naive”

      He is a very shallow, petty and vindictive person. Dishonest too.

      Not a deep thinker, he probably enjoys being right much more than he cares about the actual results (will be here to celebrate Obama’s win, etc.)

      He wants Biden to win and the Rs to lose the Senate because he still can’t cope with being wrong about Jeb Bush and about Trump and about most of the other results in 2016 (remember, Rs were going to lose 7 seats). Somehow he thinks that would be some sort of vindication, plus his view that polling showing Dems winning are right and polls showing Rs winning are wrong would prevail (this time around).

      His goalposts shift from day to day. Last week he told us “ignore Trump’s numbers, concentrate on the fact Biden is polling over 50%”. When yesterday’s polling showed Biden in the low 40’s, that was no longer important, new theory.

      To understand Robbie, you just go back to every previous election cycle. Dems will always win, unless they don’t. Rs are ok, except those actually on the ballot. Dems are not good, but what can you do, they are destined to win.

    683. jason says:

      I am also skeptical there are any bombshells in Trump’s taxes. Remember, these are the taxes professionally prepared by the most prominent accounting firms in the world, they are used to preparing taxes for wealthy clients, you can be sure whatever is in them is perfectly legal and most likely were audited. No flunky at Price Waterhouse or wherever did Trump’s taxes, rest assured. Don’t you think Trump knew that his taxes would be subject to a lot of scrutiny way before he was President, after all this was a guy in the news for mega mergers, mega projects, mega dealings.

      His most likely reason for not sharing them is privacy, not anything criminal.

    684. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 9, 2020 at 10:21 am
      At least posters like Jason, Wes, and SDC have brains enough to, while they aren’t wild about Trump and didn’t vote for him in 2016, recognize the consequences of what the Democrats have in store for this country and will vote accordingly.

      – I suppose you’re referring to me so can you point out to me where I’ve said we shouldn’t worry about the consequences of Biden winning? I have said we’ll survive, but plenty of American soldiers survived the Bataan Death March as well. That doesn’t mean it was no big deal.

      Of course, we should be concerned about the consequences of Biden winning. The agenda those around him want to push will be devastating to the economy. And if Democrats win the Senate (looks more and more likely), they’ll probably end the filibuster.

      That’s why I argued all throughout 2019 we should think long and hard about re-nominating Trump because every bit of polling data suggested he was going to be an underdog. And all of the polling data that suggested he would be an underdog last year is generally worse for him today. There’s not much time left for him to turn things around either.

      Unless Trump wakes up one morning between now and the convention and decides he’s out, we’re stuck with him. And it’s precisely because he’ll be the nominee that Biden has a very good chance of winning. Biden would have a very hard time beating another Republican because the only thing keeping his coalition of voters united is a desire to defeat Trump.

    685. Robbie says:

      Scooterboy says:
      July 9, 2020 at 10:39 am
      Phil, you are much closer to the truth than you realize.

      Phil- “I can’t decide whether he’s actually that naive or some sort of Wolf in sheep’s clothing masquerading as a “concerned’ Republican”

      – I’ll need some time to unskew these comments before I can really determine their true meaning.

    686. Bitterlaw says:

      While I not believe that Trump should have to turn over his tax returns, I am leary about why he won’t. He probably should have released them on Inauguration Day 2017 and said GFY.

    687. Phil says:

      Very shallow, petty, and vindictive

      Sounds like the perfect prototype modern day leftist Democratic.

    688. Country Dick Montana says:

      You are stuck with Trump. We all are. You can either get on board with it or not. Binary choice.

      Your maturity level is that of a three year old…”I want, I want, I want.” You have what you have. Deal with it.

    689. chicon says:

      706 – only the guilty act to protect their rights?

    690. jason says:

      Biden would have a very hard time beating another Republican”

      zzzzzzz…

      BROKERED CONVENTION!

      Like I said, same shtick every cycle.

      If you can name me ONE Republican that could match Trump’s 90% + approval among Rs I would probably agree another R could do better.

      Since you can’t, I assume this is just another of your fantasies.

    691. chicon says:

      Robbie is a high-end concern troll. He’s worried, concerned, afraid and fearful. Always. Get with the program, peeps.

    692. jason says:

      I am leary about why he won’t.”

      Does not make sense to me. And he did say GFYs. My taxes are private, I don’t have to release them.

      I really don’t see why anybody should be “leary”.

    693. chicon says:

      Jason – add on this question….which would be competitive in MI, WI, PA? Those states, along with MN, IA and OH have a demographic that switched from Robbie’s guy, BHO, to Trump. Mitt and friends wouldn’t be able to keep them….

    694. Country Dick Montana says:

      I am about 32 pages into this. So far when they aren’t slamming Trump with the same talking points used by Robbie (and blaming him for Covid)it consists of things that Trump is already doing and weaving “social justice” into all parts of our lives.

      Haven’t gotten to the part where they explain how they pay for all of this.

      https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/UNITY-TASK-FORCE-RECOMMENDATIONS.pd

    695. Scooterboy says:

      711. “ Robbie is a high-end concern troll”

      Yep. Heavy on the troll part.

    696. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 9, 2020 at 10:39 am
      Yeah, the plan is to elect Biden, hide him in his basement through Inauguration Day and shortly thereafter have him step down and turn everything over to Kamala or whatever liberal loon has been designated by Biden’s leftist puppet masters as his runningmate.

      This isn’t hard to figure out. Not exactly rocket science.

      – Do you really believe this? You really think Biden is going to step down after being elected to make Harris president?

    697. chicon says:

      Country Dick – I believe they will be taxing 401(k)’s at some point.

    698. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 9, 2020 at 10:53 am

      He is a very shallow, petty and vindictive person. Dishonest too.

      – Look in the mirror.

    699. jason says:

      “But I will say I think it’s fishy that 9% is unaccounted for in their poll.”

      But remember, Robbie does not “unskew” polls….

    700. Country Dick Montana says:

      ” Do you really believe this? You really think Biden is going to step down after being elected to make Harris president?”

      25th Amendment. An offer he can’t refuse. He can go honorable or dishonorably

    701. Country Dick Montana says:

      Country Dick – I believe they will be taxing 401(k)’s at some point.

      That is why I never had a Roth.

    702. jason says:

      ou really think Biden is going to step down after being elected to make Harris president?”

      He will be forced to step down. He is mentally impaired.

      You know it, the MSM knows it, half the country at least knows it.

    703. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 9, 2020 at 11:16 am
      Biden would have a very hard time beating another Republican”

      zzzzzzz…

      BROKERED CONVENTION!

      – No. It’s not going to happen, but Biden would struggle to beat another Republican. His campaign is held together by a desire to throw Trump out of office. If Trump wasn’t the candidate, that energy would disappear.

    704. chicon says:

      720 – it could go like this. Joe is President for 18 months to two years, then announces he won’t be running for reelection. At that point he begins delegating much of his duties to the VP with the eye on helping that person win in 2024.

      But Joe has been running for Prez since the early 80’s – he won’t just step aside easily.

    705. Country Dick Montana says:

      The one phrase that keeps popping up in the Bide/Sanders Document is “evidenced based programs.” Whose evidence?

    706. Robbie says:

      chicon says:
      July 9, 2020 at 11:16 am
      Robbie is a high-end concern troll. He’s worried, concerned, afraid and fearful. Always. Get with the program, peeps.

      – I don’t care about Trump, but I am worried that he may suffer a loss so large that it not only turns over the Senate, but does so with a seat or two to spare. I’m also worried Trump’s performance could drag down House members and prevent gains that many were expecting. And bigger picture, I’m worried Trump’s performance could cost Republicans scores of state legislative seats across the country just before it’s time to conduct redistricting for the House.

      There’s a lot riding on this election other than just whether Trump wins or not.

    707. Robbie says:

      Scooterboy says:
      July 9, 2020 at 11:22 am
      711. “ Robbie is a high-end concern troll”

      Yep. Heavy on the troll part.

      – I’m confident if I unskew this post it will be positive towards me.

    708. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 9, 2020 at 11:25 am
      “But I will say I think it’s fishy that 9% is unaccounted for in their poll.”

      But remember, Robbie does not “unskew” polls….

      – Unskewing is tinkering with the internals of poll (like partisan ID) to come up with a result you find more palatable.

      Wondering where 9 percentage points went is trying to understand the results.

    709. jason says:

      Jason – add on this question….which would be competitive in MI, WI, PA? Those states, along with MN, IA and OH have a demographic that switched from Robbie’s guy, BHO, to Trump. Mitt and friends wouldn’t be able to keep them….”

      Robbie knows there is no other Republican that would be viable. He knew that when he was trying to get Rs to dump Trump because of the Russia hoax, the impeachment hoax, or whatever fake scandal he pretended to believe in at the time. I remember him telling us that when Trump got down to 35% approval some Nikki Haley type was going to emerge to challenge him. At the time, I called it BS and of course I was right.

      Trump may or may not win. But to pretend there is an alternative to him is “brokered convention” type of nonsense.

      Anybody who doesn’t want socialism and the nanny state should unite around Trump. He will be gone in 4 years and we can fight for the soul of the Republican or conservative movement then. I am willing to live with someone that hardly represents any of my ideals for a R President, because the alternative is disastrous. If he loses, the effects will be around for 40 years, if not forever.

    710. Phil says:

      Biden would have a very hard time beating another Republican.

      Another Robbie fantasy. Hard to tell if he even believes this drivel.

      No thanks. I’ve seen what MCCain and Romney did at the top of the ticket. Both lost Florida and Ohio, and both got blown out in Michigan, Pa, Wisconsin, NH and Iowa.

    711. Tina says:

      Looks like the jebots lost in the suprem court

    712. jason says:

      ondering where 9 percentage points went is trying to understand the results.”

      Nah, it is unskewing just like you accuse others of doing.

    713. Country Dick Montana says:

      Ok, I am just to the immigration part and right there in the second paragraph is the “separate families and put children in cages.” Basterds are absolutely shameless.

    714. jason says:

      Biden would have a very hard time beating another Republican.

      Another Robbie fantasy. Hard to tell if he even believes this drivel”

      He doesn’t.

    715. jason says:

      Jason – add on this question….which would be competitive in MI, WI, PA?”

      Exactly. ONLY Trump would have won these states in 2106, ONLY Trump could win them again.

      Not saying he will win them, but there is no other R that would be remotely competitive.

    716. Phil says:

      Biden will be forced out. Apparently, Robbie has had his head in the sand For the past decade and hasn’t noticed that the Democrats play hardball.

    717. Country Dick Montana says:

      “Democrats believe it is long past time to provide a roadmap to citizenship for the millions of undocumented workers who are an essential part of our economy and of the fabric of our nation. We will fast-track this process for those workers who have been essential to the pandemic response and recovery efforts, including health care workers, farmworkers, and others. We will also eliminate unfair barriers to naturalization, reduce application backlogs, and make our immigration processes faster, more efficient, and less costly. These reforms will strengthen our communities, our families, and our country”

      There it is Katie barred the door after this.

    718. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 9, 2020 at 11:33 am
      Biden would have a very hard time beating another Republican.

      Another Robbie fantasy. Hard to tell if he even believes this drivel.

      – I 100% believe it. Obviously we’re just discussing hypotheticals, but I think Pence paired with either Nikki Haley or Condi Rice would have a good chance of winning.

      The resistance to Trump is resistance to Trump the person and his manner of leadership. That’s why his personal disapproval rating is so high. Republican policies haven’t become discredited, at least not yet.

      The glue that holds together Biden coalition in the polls is hatred of Trump the person. Biden’s entire campaign is based on the premise he’s not Trump. Take away the glue that holds together his campaign and what’s left.

    719. jason says:

      2020 at 11:22 am
      711. “ Robbie is a high-end concern troll”

      I will have to disagree on the high end part.

      Unless you believe MSM reporting is “high end”.

      Since his comments parrot their narrative to the T, I will go with low end.

    720. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 9, 2020 at 11:38 am
      Biden will be forced out. Apparently, Robbie has had his head in the sand For the past decade and hasn’t noticed that the Democrats play hardball.

      – So when Trump haters suggested the 25th amendment for him in 2017 and early 2018, you and the rest of the boards mocked the idea and you were correct. But now you think it’s going to happen with Biden?

    721. Tina says:

      Ppp on its Alaska poll (I know they front for the jebots) has Senator planned parenthood at 17 percent approval and 71 disapproval.

      She will be primaried and it’s her own fault.

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    723. Tina says:

      Those. Umbers are based on Republicans.
      Murkowski is toxic with Alaskan Rs.

      Caveat. Ppp I’d an agenda polling fir,

    724. Country Dick Montana says:

      738 – You forget the glue right now that hold the GOP’s fragile populist/deregulatory coalition is Trump. Dump him and you lose it all…bigly.

      Instead of posting you stuff here, take some time and read the Biden/Sanders Unity statement. Then come back and tell us that you can’t vote for Trump.

    725. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 9, 2020 at 11:43 am
      Ppp on its Alaska poll (I know they front for the jebots) has Senator planned parenthood at 17 percent approval and 71 disapproval.

      She will be primaried and it’s her own fault.

      – And she’ll probably win. She already beat Joe Miller with a write-in campaign in 2010 and then beat Joe Miller again when he ran as a Losertarian in 2016.

    726. Phil says:

      Surprised Tom Friedman came out this early with the Biden shouldn’t debate column.

      We all knew the MSM was going to go there but it’s a little early.

      The no debate without releasing taxes is a little weak. Actually it’s a lot weak. Don’t think that is going to poll well. Little too transparent. On the other hand, I guess they have no choice. You can’t put that drooling fool out there With no script. He can’t even stay on message for five minutes with a word for word script planted Right in front of him.

      Look for the media to try and find another excuse.

    727. Tina says:

      Yup, the next agenda is that Biden cannot debate.

      Cancel all rallies.

      Cancel all debates.

      Notice how the corrupt jebots try to game the system.

    728. jason says:

      The glue that holds together Biden coalition in the polls is hatred of Trump the person. Biden’s entire campaign is based on the premise he’s not Trump. ”

      Wow, that is a completely obsolete view of what is happening.

      I might have agreed with that partially 6 months ago.

      The election is no longer about Trump. Or Biden.

      The Dems are running on profoundly changing the country from a capitalist country founded upon certain ideals and values to one that is socialist and based on a completely different set of ideals and values. This was always their goal, but it is the first time they are actually running on it, maybe even because events have forced their hand.

      This is not a referendum on Trump. This is a choice between systems, a completely different proposition.

      People WILL be voting on ideology this time around. Not on personalities. That is why Biden and Trump are along for the ride. It won’t matter if there is “resistance to Trump as a person” or “Biden is a perverted demented plagiarist”.

    729. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      July 9, 2020 at 11:45 am
      738 – You forget the glue right now that hold the GOP’s fragile populist/deregulatory coalition is Trump. Dump him and you lose it all…bigly.

      – I agree and I didn’t say overthrow him or dump him at the convention. There’s ZERO chance that would ever happen and it would cause a complete crackup in the party.

      If Trump didn’t run, it would be more along the lines that he looked at the polling before the convention, concluded he couldn’t win, decided not to run to prevent suffering a big loss, and asked the convention to nominate Pence.

      In that far fetched scenario, I believe Pence paired with Haley or Rice would have a good chance of defeating Biden. Why? I think the suburbs would snap back in a big way for Republicans as they had been since the late 1970’s.

    730. Tina says:

      Jebots crushed

      Jay Sekulow
      @JaySekulow
      · 46m
      We are pleased that in the decisions issued today, the Supreme Court has temporarily blocked both Congress and New York prosecutors from obtaining the President’s financial records. We will now proceed to raise additional Constitutional and legal issues in the lower courts.

    731. jason says:

      ut now you think it’s going to happen with Biden?”

      They won’t need that.

      Jill will tell him when it is time to go.

    732. jason says:

      believe Pence paired with Haley or Rice would have a good chance of defeating Biden.”

      Nonsense.

      That ticket would lose PA by 10-15.

    733. Tina says:

      And a big reason as to why the market is down today. This is just stupid.

      The Hill
      @thehill
      · 30m
      Fauci: States with coronavirus spikes “should seriously look at shutting down” http://hill.cm/HgX54vy

    734. Phil says:

      Pence is going to do well in the suburbs?

      Pence? Based on what, exactly? He wouldn’t do any better than Trump….and do a lot worse in blue collar counties in Michigan and Pennsylvania.

    735. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 9, 2020 at 11:48 am
      The glue that holds together Biden coalition in the polls is hatred of Trump the person. Biden’s entire campaign is based on the premise he’s not Trump. ”

      Wow, that is a completely obsolete view of what is happening.

      I might have agreed with that partially 6 months ago.

      The election is no longer about Trump. Or Biden.

      – I know you’ve decided recently the election isn’t a referendum on Trump, but all presidential re-elections are referendums on the incumbent. The voters look at the president and decide if they want another four years. If they don’t, the opponent wins.

      This isn’t an election about political philosophy. It’s an election about Trump and that’s just how Trump has always wanted it. He doesn’t even bother to spell out a second term agenda and he had a hard time articulating one when Hannity asked him a few weeks ago.

      When Trump held his Tulsa rally, he devoted 16 minutes to explaining why he walked down a ramp the way he did. he blew through the sections on policy.

    736. chicon says:

      739 – the reason I say high-end is that he is talented enough to keep people here engaged and arguing against him. That allows him to spread his “worries”. His positions are not high end in my book – his ability as a troll is far better than most. Bad trolls get skipped over or called out for being bad trolls. Good trolls get answered on substance. Robbie is a good troll.

    737. Phil says:

      Just put a sock in it, Fauci.

      Good God, man.

    738. Tina says:

      Biden clearly articulated a first term agenda

      Jebot

    739. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 9, 2020 at 11:54 am
      Pence is going to do well in the suburbs?

      Pence? Based on what, exactly? He wouldn’t do any better than Trump….and do a lot worse in blue collar counties in Michigan and Pennsylvania.

      – Of course, he would. Pence is the very definition of a generic Republican. That’s who suburb voters have voted for since the late 1970’s and it’s only in 2016 and more so in 2018 they turned away from the party because they didn’t care for Trump personally.

      But let’s not get too deep into the weeds since we all know this is just a hypothetical.

    740. Robbie says:

      chicon says:
      July 9, 2020 at 11:55 am
      739 – the reason I say high-end is that he is talented enough to keep people here engaged and arguing against him. That allows him to spread his “worries”. His positions are not high end in my book – his ability as a troll is far better than most. Bad trolls get skipped over or called out for being bad trolls. Good trolls get answered on substance. Robbie is a good troll.

      – So you’re not worried about a loss that turns over the Senate, causes more losses in the House, and sees scores of state legislative seats turn over right before redistricting begins?

    741. Country Dick Montana says:

      “In that far fetched scenario…”

      You have that correct. Let me give you an analogy:

      You are in the pointy end of the plane with a cabin 2/3 full behind you (no middle seats, still in pandemic.) Starboard engine stops running. What are you going to do:

      1. Initiate restart checklist?
      2. Barring restart look for a suitable alternate landing location?
      3. Hit full right rudder and full right aileron just to end the misery? After all we are worried that the engine won’t restart and it is better to have both running.

      You have what you have. You don’t have the fantasy that you want. You can either be a part of saving this country or be apart of killing it. The choice is Binary.

    742. Phil says:

      Romney and MCCain didn’t do all that hot in the suburbs and both got killed in blue collar counties like McComb and Erie….hence got routed in Michigan and Pa.

    743. chicon says:

      760 – see what I mean, Jason? I almost answered on substance right after describing why he is a good troll. He has skillz!

    744. jason says:

      Good. Hopefully a backlash will continue to build and people will stop being cowed by radicals.

      “Most Americans continue to support the nationwide protests against racial injustice, but with President Donald Trump issuing an ever-more-combative barrage of attacks, new polling shows that some Republicans have grown wary of demonstrators’ demands and retreated toward saying that racism is not in fact a big problem in the United States.

      At the start of June, many polls showed the emergence of a rare consensus around calls for racial justice and changes to policing, with a majority of Republicans joining other Americans in saying that racial discrimination is a big issue for the country.

      But a Monmouth University survey released Wednesday found that at the end of last month, just 40% of Republicans still said racism was a big problem, a drop of 15 percentage points from four weeks earlier.

      And while close to 4 in 10 Republicans told Monmouth researchers at the start of last month that protesters’ anger was justified, that number fell by more than half in the new poll, with just 15% of Republicans saying so. A majority of Democrats and independents continued to say that the demonstrators’ grievances were fully justified.”

    745. jason says:

      I know you’ve decided recently the election isn’t a referendum on Trump, but all presidential re-elections are referendums on the incumbent. The voters look at the president and decide if they want another four years. If they don’t, the opponent wins.”

      Gibberish. Even if it was the case previously, it is certainly not the case now.

      The Democrata are running on changing the country’s system, history, and culture.

      Nothing to do with Trump. Nada. Zilch.

    746. jason says:

      o you’re not worried about a loss that turns over the Senate, causes more losses in the House, and sees scores of state legislative seats turn over right before redistricting begins?”

      Are you? Doesn’t look like it.

      The best way to avoid this would be for Trump to win, right? If Trump wins the odds of anything like that happening are close to zero.

      So technically you should be crawling over broken glass to vote for him and support him.

      It is why I am voting for him, despite my ideological differences with him, precisely because I don’t want the Dems to control the entire government.

    747. Phil says:

      So Fauci wants to shut California, Texas, Arizona, and Florida down again.

      Give him the medal of freedom.

    748. Tina says:

      Maybe the republicans grew a spine. Shame that they wanted to toss law and order aside.

      I guess Quittens won’t kneel again before BLM.

      And that other Indiana’s senator won’t call to,limit liability of police.

      It’s not good that Rs went wobbly.

    749. jason says:

      This isn’t an election about political philosophy”

      Wow.

      For someone addicted to MSM fake news, you have to be unbelievably dense to say something like that.

      By November, every voter in the US will know this IS about political philosophy.

      And one side will win.

    750. Tina says:

      Democratic Op-Ed: To Defeat Trump Democrats Must Knock Down the Economy

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/democratic-op-ed-defeat-trump-democrats-must-knock-economy/

    751. Tina says:

      That is why we hear about Muh cases, muh lockdown again, etc.

    752. jason says:

      So Fauci wants to shut California, Texas, Arizona, and Florida down again.

      Give him the medal of freedom.”

      He probably thinks that would reduce cases and deaths, and he is probably right.

      But Governors should resist the idea. And they would be right.

      Both can be correct.

      And yes, give him the medal of freedom (again).

    753. Tina says:

      Larry Schweikart
      @LarrySchweikart
      ·
      49m
      Poll: 70 Percent of Americans Think ‘Black Lives Matter’ Has Not Improved Race Relations https://nationalreview.com/news/poll-70-percent-of-americans-think-black-lives-matter-has-not-improved-race-relations/…

    754. chicon says:

      Remember Phil, declining deaths is a false narrative.

    755. Tina says:

      And more and more jebots are advocating for this

      emerges.
      Quote Tweet

      Joe Lockhart
      @joelockhart
      · 1h
      No tax returns, no debates.

    756. Phil says:

      Medal of freedom?

      No. I’d like to give him a kick in the nuts.

      Wonder if Fauci cares if my wife ever gets her Pet Scan?

      Never mind. I know the answer to that one.

    757. Phil says:

      No tax returns no debates.

      Isn’t that convenient?

    758. jason says:

      Imagine if Trump was ahead by 6 points in polls and refused to do debates….

    759. Tina says:

      More please.

      Barr Says they’ve now made over 150 arrest and there’s over 500 investigations on going of these violent agitators that hijacked the protest.

    760. chicon says:

      Joe’s best chance of winning is to stay in the basement. He needs a good reason to stay in the basement. #shutdown helps out.

    761. Country Dick Montana says:

      Tina – 770 From the Op-Ed

      “Our ads talk about subjects such as the local economic impact of Trump’s failure to rein in prescription drug prices in Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania.

      Got news for you Westmoreland County is shale gas country. The Green New Deal won’t fly here, no matter how they try to divert attention.

    762. Tina says:

      And China Biden is against shale.

      That whole area will become depressed, cdc.

    763. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 9, 2020 at 12:01 pm
      Romney and MCCain didn’t do all that hot in the suburbs and both got killed in blue collar counties like McComb and Erie….hence got routed in Michigan and Pa.

      – Let’s throw McCain off to the side. He ran during a massive economic meltdown and had to carry the burden of an unpopular war and president on his shoulders. He was never going to win that election. Honestly, I’m surprised he did as well as he did considering the circumstances.

      Now with Romney, it was a different story. He ran a mediocre campaign and he allowed himself to be defined as greedy venture capitalist by Obama. Still, he won the suburbs 50-48 according to the 2012 NYT exit poll data.

      Regardless, I think Republicans other than Trump would do better in the suburbs and the tradeoff with some rural votes would be worth it since far more people live in the suburbs than in rural areas.

    764. Scooterboy says:

      Fraudie-“But I will say I think it’s fishy that 9% is unaccounted for in their poll.”

      Jason-“But remember, Robbie does not “unskew” polls….”

      Yep. By far the biggest hypocrite on this blog.

    765. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 9, 2020 at 12:10 pm
      o you’re not worried about a loss that turns over the Senate, causes more losses in the House, and sees scores of state legislative seats turn over right before redistricting begins?”

      Are you? Doesn’t look like it.

      The best way to avoid this would be for Trump to win, right? If Trump wins the odds of anything like that happening are close to zero.

      So technically you should be crawling over broken glass to vote for him and support him.

      – I’m extremely worried about big down ballot losses because I fear Trump’s going to lose by a sizable margin. However, I don’t have to vote for Trump to vote for every other Republican so I’ll show up and vote for everyone else regardless of whether I do the same for him. The problem is there isn’t a lot of vote splitting that takes place anymore.

    766. Country Dick Montana says:

      “I’m extremely worried… ”

      “I fear…”

      “The problem is…”

      What kind of talk is that?

    767. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 9, 2020 at 12:20 pm
      No tax returns no debates.

      Isn’t that convenient?

      – This is a contrarian take, but I don’t care for the debates. If we never had them, it wouldn’t bother me. I bet Rick Perry wishes we didn’t have them in November 2011!

    768. chicon says:

      786 – concern troll talk.

    769. Robbie says:

      Scooterboy says:
      July 9, 2020 at 12:53 pm
      Fraudie-“But I will say I think it’s fishy that 9% is unaccounted for in their poll.”

      Jason-“But remember, Robbie does not “unskew” polls….”

      Yep. By far the biggest hypocrite on this blog.

      – LOL. You rework polls to produce a result you like.

      I raised a question about where 9 percent of the vote went.

      There’s a big difference.

    770. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      July 9, 2020 at 1:02 pm
      “I’m extremely worried… ”

      “I fear…”

      “The problem is…”

      What kind of talk is that?

      – It’s called evaluating the current conditions without wearing rose colored glasses.

    771. Waingro says:

      BOOM:

      Catherine Herridge
      @CBS_Herridge
      ·
      53m
      #FISA British court docs in damages case also reveal new detail early contact between Steele + Fusion GPS at London’s Heathrow airport late May 2016 + “Ultimate Client” DNC. READ: This section begins approx page 20 https://bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2020/1812.html

    772. Country Dick Montana says:

      I would hate to fly with you. You have no courage. You are an immature, mealy mouthed and equivocating arse, masquerading as something that you are not.

      You can virtue signal and make your self feel better by not voting for Trump (if you really are a Republican) because you live in Kentucky. Those of us who are going to make a difference with our vote (I live in PA) will as someone said, crawl over glass to vote for Trump, because it matters.

    773. Scooterboy says:

      Fraudie- “I raised a question about where 9 percent of the vote went.

      There’s a big difference.”

      Translation- I’m allowed to question polls, the rest of you aren’t.

      Hypocrite

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    775. Robbie says:

      CNN Breaking News
      @cnnbrk

      Coronavirus hotspots should pause reopening, not shut down again, Dr. Fauci says. The remarks come after he told The Wall Street Journal states with a Covid-19 problem “should seriously look at shutting down”

      – What I like most about Fauci is his ability to be on every side of every issue and sometimes in the same day. He’s the only doctor I know who offers a second opinion on his own advice.

    776. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Sweden, which did not have a total lockdown, has seen a major drop in deaths. Here are the death totals for each day in July so far according to Worldometer. Since they had no lockdown, they are not facing a surge in cases when a lockdown ends, unlike other countries.

      July 1 8
      July 2 7
      July 3 2
      July 4 4
      July 5 1
      July 6 4
      July 7 3

    777. Tina says:

      Lol.

      Now the jebot wants no debates

    778. chicon says:

      Why would they want debates?

    779. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      July 9, 2020 at 1:14 pm
      I would hate to fly with you. You have no courage. You are an immature, mealy mouthed and equivocating arse, masquerading as something that you are not.

      You can virtue signal and make your self feel better by not voting for Trump (if you really are a Republican) because you live in Kentucky.

      – What you don’t like is that I hold an opinion on Trump and the election that is different from yours and that I’m willing to defend my views here.

      I’m not sure how I’m mealy mouthed or an equivocator since I have been very clear about what I think is likely to happen, but I don’t always understand some of the things that are written here.

      Regardless, if you want to question my maturity because I don’t care for Trump or because I share a different view on the race than you do, that’s fine. If believe I have no courage and don’t want to fly on any of my flights, that’s fine as well.

    780. chicon says:

      News flash, Joe ain’t right in the head….

      https://twitter.com/michaeljknowles/status/1281061818497036288

    781. lisab says:

      Apparently, lisab nothing better to do at 1 AM that hunt for comments of mine from months and even years ago.
      ————————————–

      a girl has to have a hobby 🙂

    782. Country Dick Montana says:

      One of my kids hold a different opinion than me and they have an order of magnitude more maturity that you do.

      You are here just harping on the same stuff constantly. You know that you aren’t changing minds so I think that now it is simply about getting attention…any kind of attention works for a barely employed 40 something single male with no family to care about with no transferable employment skills.

      I have tried to show you respect, have asked you honestly for you opinions and all I see are platitudes, talking points and equivocating (To use equivocal language to deceive someone or avoid committing oneself to a position. synonym: lie.) You do not have a single independent thought in your head. You have driven a reasonable man to frustration

      I cut off PO so I am done with you. You two are peas in a pod.

    783. Country Dick Montana says:

      To everyone else, I apologize for that last post. It was unbecoming, and I should not have hurled personal insults.

    784. lisab says:

      I have said we’ll survive, but plenty of American soldiers survived the Bataan Death March as well. That doesn’t mean it was no big deal.
      ————————

      actually, you said you look forward to it

      Robbie- “ Trump’s almost certainly going to lose in November and I’m looking forward to it.”

    785. Country Dick Montana says:

      https://triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/upmc-doctors-say-latest-coronavirus-cases-less-severe-in-western-pa/

      Good News:

      “The surge in covid-19 cases in Southwestern Pennsylvania is infecting a younger, less vulnerable demographic, and thus far the most recent cases appear to be less severe, doctors at UPMC said Thursday.

      The latest cases are mainly linked to younger people who contracted covid-19 after traveling out-of-state or while socializing, said Dr. Graham Snyder, UPMC’s medical director of infection prevention and hospital epidemiology.

      “This is the pattern I’m seeing everywhere I look,” Snyder said.

      The intensity of the disease in the newest cases also isn’t matching the severity that was seen in the early stages of the pandemic, Snyder said.”

    786. lisab says:

      Haven’t gotten to the part where they explain how they pay for all of this.
      ———————

      look in the mirror

    787. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      795. “Coronavirus hotspots should pause reopening, not shut down again,”

      What is the difference between “pause reopenings” and “not shut down again.”

      Fauci is an expert on government-speak: this statement is nebulous enough so that whatever happens, he can claim he is not responsible.

    788. Gordon Allen says:

      BTW. NOBODY on planet earth LOVED JEB as a candidate; probably not even his own family. Seriously,why does anyone believe that?. Here in Florida,where he was a two term Governor,not one person I’ve EVER talked to was passionate about Jeb Bush. The idea that’s a motivating factor for anyone years later is silly. Just call it like it so OBVIOUSLY clear. On to something and somebody else.Please.

    789. Country Dick Montana says:

      Doublespeak: Any language deliberately constructed to disguise or distort its actual meaning, often by employing euphemism or ambiguity. Typically used by governments or large institutions.

    790. lisab says:

      To everyone else, I apologize for that last post. It was unbecoming, and I should not have hurled personal insults.
      ——————

      it’s really not his fault he turned out that way, god love him.

      (i have a southern friend 🙂 )

    791. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      805. “The surge in covid-19 cases in Southwestern Pennsylvania is infecting a younger, less vulnerable demographic, and thus far the most recent cases appear to be less severe, doctors at UPMC said Thursday.”

      “the intensity of the disease in the newest cases also isn’t matching the severity that was seen in the early stages of the pandemic, Snyder said.”

      Wasn’t this expected? There is now mass testing that includes healthly young people, very few of which have gotten sick or died from the virus. This is a major reason more cases have been discovered; it does not justify another lockdown.

    792. Paul says:

      If Trump loses, I think both parties will be in a bit of disarray. The Biden coalition includes far-left populists and moderate free-trade Republicans and other factions. Only thing holding them together is hatred of Trump.

      Now if Trump loses and fails to completely go away. He would likely keep some part of his base going with vitriol at the new administration. That would probably hold the Democratic administration together a bit more.

    793. Tina says:

      Breaking911
      @Breaking911
      · 10m
      BREAKING: Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen has been taken back into custody – Reuters

    794. jason says:

      – This is a contrarian take, but I don’t care for the debates. If we never had them, it wouldn’t bother me. ”

      LOL

      Of course not.

      Biden is mentally impaired, you are afraid it might show in the debates against Trump.

      Frauds are so easy to read.

    795. jason says:

      “What is the difference between “pause reopenings” and “not shut down again.”

      Seems very clear to me.

      Pause reopenings only means do not reopen further than the present stage.

      Shut down again means close down what has been reopened.

      Huge difference and clear as day.

    796. jason says:

      would hate to fly with you. You have no courage. You are an immature, mealy mouthed and equivocating arse, masquerading as something that you are not.”

      I have made that point before myself.

      Pretty scary he has a pilot’s license.

    797. jason says:

      the intensity of the disease in the newest cases also isn’t matching the severity that was seen in the early stages of the pandemic, Snyder said.”

      With all due respect to Dr. Snyder, I have been making this point to Robbie Cases Cases for weeks now.

    798. jason says:

      The real reason Robbie doesn’t want debates.

      Now he claims he doesn’t want Biden to win, so why would he oppose having debates that might be game changers?

      We know the answer.

      https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/07/09/joe-bidens-brain-collapses-so-thoroughly-that-it-spawns-a-new-meme/

    799. Stonewall DW says:

      Here is why they don’t want to debate. It would sound like this:

      Debate transcript:

      Chris Wallace: “What do you believe to be the biggest challenges facing the country since President Obama left office?

      Biden: Uh, thank you Tom, that’s uh, uh, great question. There were uh, many, let me tell you Tom, there were, were many, uh, challenges when I was senator. These uh, we advanced, I mean we solved a lot of, uh, problems. I am not…let me be clear, uh, I am not going to, uh, you know, get into…into the details. That is for you, to uh, figure out. My record is, is, my record speaks for itself. When I was in the, in the…when Clinton was president…I mean, Barack…when Obama was president, the uh, you know, it uh, went very well. Do I still have time George, or should we move on, uh, to another question?”

    800. Tina says:

      And Dw, this is with the questions given to him. In advance.

    801. Stonewall DW says:

      And I don’t know that he does that well. He has bungled answers that badly when he was reading from his prepared notes.

    802. Country Dick Montana says:

      819 – Is that a real transcript? Not good at all.

    803. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 9, 2020 at 2:51 pm
      – This is a contrarian take, but I don’t care for the debates. If we never had them, it wouldn’t bother me. ”

      LOL

      Of course not.

      Biden is mentally impaired, you are afraid it might show in the debates against Trump.

      Frauds are so easy to read.

      – It’s got nothing to do with Biden. It’s got everything to do with the fact they’re a waste of time and nothing but regurgitation of talking points in two minute form.

      Campaigning and organization ought to matter more than pseudo press conferences. That’s unless you thought the 2012 Republican primary debate process that gave oxygen to fake, moneyless campaigns like Herman Cain, Michelle Bachman, Rick Santorum, and Ron Paul were a good thing for the party.

    804. Robbie says:

      Biden was terrible in each of the Democrat debates this past year. I guess that’s why he didn’t win the nomination.

    805. Phil says:

      …..and you wouldn’t want Joe’s mental incapacity exposed for all to see, right?

      Better to let him hide out in the basement through November. Right, Robbie?

      I’m sure the Democrats and your boys at the Lincoln project are all in with the hide Joe strategy.

    806. Scooterboy says:

      Fraudie- “ Ithey’re a waste of time and nothing but regurgitation of talking points in two minute form.”

      Well then you should love debates. You are the King of regurgitated talking points.

    807. NYCmike says:

      News flash, Joe ain’t right in the head….

      -cHICON,

      Did you watch the Tucker Carlson/Don Lemon tweet further down that page?

      Lemon says something, which if he said it today, would probably get him fired from CNN….because it would be so against the current narrative that they would have to flush it down the memory hole as soon as possible.

    808. Tina says:

      Yes, the confederate cooler and cheeseburger club will make sure China Biden is hiding.

    809. NYCmike says:

      “BTW. NOBODY on planet earth LOVED JEB as a candidate;”

      -Mama Bush had stated earlier that the country doesn’t need another Bush President.

      Unfortunately, the Bush elders don’t listen to their women often enough.

    810. NYCmike says:

      “Yes, the confederate cooler and cheeseburger club ”

      -Robbie doesn’t have any issue with them

    811. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 9, 2020 at 3:37 pm
      …..and you wouldn’t want Joe’s mental incapacity exposed for all to see, right?

      Better to let him hide out in the basement through November. Right, Robbie?

      – I know this can sometimes be difficult to understand, but not all of my views are directly related to the current election or the current moment in time.

      There are going to be debates, probably three of them. Generally speaking, I find debates boring and little more than a recitation of talking points. I doubt these three will change a single vote. They will reinforce why each side hates the other side.

      If we never have presidential debates after this year, I would not care at all. If we do have them, I would not care at all.

    812. Robbie says:

      NYCmike says:
      July 9, 2020 at 3:49 pm
      “Yes, the confederate cooler and cheeseburger club ”

      -Robbie doesn’t have any issue with them

      – What is this nonsense from the president of the Kris Kobach fan club all about?

    813. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Given the questions about Biden’s mental acuity, I see a debate as essential to prove that Biden is in fact mentally competent to run the country. Plus, Biden can call out Trump on his bad record as president. Don’t you agree Robbie?

      The Democrats should be demanding debates. The fact the Biden is hiding in the basement like a gopher is a questionable strategy. Perhaps the polls that show a lot of undecided and third party voters indicates voters have reservations about Biden as well as Trump.

    814. chicon says:

      827 – Chris Plante likes to say that “were it not for double standards, liberals will have no standards at all.”

    815. NYCmike says:

      “Plus, Biden can call out Trump on his bad record as president. Don’t you agree Robbie?”

      -Nice one, SDC.

      Robbie has ZERO substantive issue with Trump.

      He has actually admitted several times, along with “CG”, that “any other Republican” would have picked the same judges, and done the same thing regarding certain legislation.

      His reason for NOT VOTING TRUMP is simply because Trump made a biatch out of his crush, JEB!2016.

      He is an aggrieved teenager living in an adult world, with no kids, no mate, no future.

      SAD!

    816. NYCmike says:

      “There are going to be debates, probably three of them. Generally speaking, I find debates boring and little more than a recitation of talking points. I doubt these three will change a single vote. They will reinforce why each side hates the other side.”

      -Agreed, except it is a spectacle which allows the voting public to determine how to vote in the upcoming popularity contest all of the radio hosts are speaking about on their daily podcasts.

      ALL of the cool kids vote every 4 years!

      Dontcha know!

    817. Robbie says:

      SanDiegoCitizen says:
      July 9, 2020 at 3:55 pm
      Given the questions about Biden’s mental acuity, I see a debate as essential to prove that Biden is in fact mentally competent to run the country. Plus, Biden can call out Trump on his bad record as president. Don’t you agree Robbie?

      – Again, when I said I don’t have much use for debates, it was not about a Trump/Biden debate. It was just that I don’t care for debates in general.

    818. dblaikie says:

      If major universities continue to say that they won’t open that is going to have real consequences for the dems. The main engine of the youth vote is are the polling stations on campus. If there are no students on campus I have real doubts about the effort they will take to get to the polls for crazy uncle Joe.

    819. chicon says:

      838 – Robbie will be along soon to tell you how you are wrong; that this is really bad news for Trump. Stay tuned….

    820. NYCmike says:

      N/T