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    Biden Leads Trump in AZ, FL, MI, NC, PA, and WI

    Change Research is back at it again with their latest poll of six battleground states won by Trump in 2016 and they show all six still in Biden’s camp this time around.

    PRESIDENT – MICHIGAN (Change Research)
    Joe Biden (D) 48%
    Donald Trump (R-inc) 42%

    PRESIDENT – PENNSYLVANIA (Change Research)
    Joe Biden (D) 50%
    Donald Trump (R-inc) 42%

    PRESIDENT – FLORIDA (Change Research)
    Joe Biden (D) 50%
    Donald Trump (R-inc) 43%

    PRESIDENT – NORTH CAROLINA (Change Research)
    Joe Biden (D) 47%
    Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%

    PRESIDENT – ARIZONA (Change Research)
    Joe Biden (D) 51%
    Donald Trump (R-inc) 45%

    PRESIDENT – WISCONSIN (Change Research)
    Joe Biden (D) 48%
    Donald Trump (R-inc) 42%

    At the US Senate level, as before Democrats are leading in all three states being contested from above, including two seats currently held by Republicans.

    US SENATE – MICHIGAN (Change Research)
    Gary Peters (D-inc) 50%
    John James (R) 43%

    US SENATE – ARIZONA (Change Research)
    Mark Kelly (D-inc) 52%
    Martha McSally (R-inc) 45%

    US SENATE – NORTH CAROLINA (Change Research)
    Cal Cunningham (D) 49%
    Thom Tillis (R-inc) 42%

    These polls were all done June 10-12 among likely voters.

    Posted by Dave at 8:16 am
    Filed under: General | Comments (793)

    793 Responses to “Biden Leads Trump in AZ, FL, MI, NC, PA, and WI”

    1. John says:

      These polls (Change Research) all almost have the same results for each and every poll and almost is a mirror reflection of their previous polls.
      Perhaps it is something Robert Cahay of the Trafalgar Group said recently…”some of these polling firms are stuck…they poll the same people….the same type of voter…asking the same questions…and getting the same results”.

    2. Country Dick Montana says:

      https://www.changeresearch.com/our-team

      When the co-founder states that she would like to see “Regime Change” on thier website, it tell you everything that you need to know. Way left leaning.

      Seriously, read the short bio’s of the staff, including the executives and tell me this isn’t an agenda driven polling company.

    3. Diogenes says:

      All Republican governors who Trumped it up are deeply underwater in approval as is Trump himself. Abbott, Ducey, DeSantis all looked like locks for re-election and strong Senate candidates just 6 months ago. By toeing the Trump line, they are all politically dead.

      Texas is in play because of Abbott’s bungled response which is in line with the double-digit advantage Dems show on the generic ballot, biden’s battleground state advantage, and Trump’s historically bad disapproval rating.

      Time to pivot and start making excuses about how Trump was never really a conservative anyways in 3 … 2 … 1 ….

    4. Country Dick Montana says:

      So the markets continue to rise based on the possibility of new vaccine and continued opening of the economy.

      When does it begin to price in a Biden/Pelosi/Schumer/AOC government? Is it saying that won’t happen?

    5. Bitterlaw says:

      Philadelphia Mayor banned all large gatherings until February 28, 2021. The means the end of the Mummers Parade (continuous for more than a century). No fans allowed at Eagles games. However, I am sure that all protests will continue as scheduled.

    6. PresidentPaul! says:

      Today in McCain campaign leader #racistRickWilson, McCain campaign leader Steve Schmidt and projectLincoln world:

      https://twitter.com/willchamberlain/status/1283231572762787840?s=20

    7. PresidentPaul! says:

      I ALMOST posted yesterday when people were talking about MRNA that insiders were selling off all their stock early last month, which incidentally is one of the reasons I sold some of mine (dumb I guess)

      Nonetheless the stock is surging again this morning, and insiders are dumping again, but now that they are doing it again I feel like I should mention it.

      https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1283375731020574724?s=20

    8. jason says:

      So the LAT declares the National Anthem racist and calls for it to be replaced.

      And some people think the election is a referendum on Trump.

    9. mnw says:

      I didn’t follow the AL Senate polls that closely, but a couple I did see about a week before the election had Tuberville +7 or so. He seems to have won by appx +24.

      I guess the polls are sometimes unreliable. Who knew?

    10. jason says:

      Diogenes gives himself away like Robbie does.

      He doesn’t like Trump but wants all Republicans to lose.

      It is generous to call him a moron.

    11. Scooterboy says:

      Here we go.

      BREAKING REPORT: 33 Florida labs were just busted COOKING THE BOOKS.. reporting 98% positive rates rather than 9.8%…

      MEDIA SILENT…

    12. Stonewall DW says:

      So Alabama Trump voters showed up in far greater numbers than the polling showed. This is real data, not re-weighted or adjusted. Alabama is just north of western panhandle of FL which votes like Alabama. Makes you sort of wonder about these Florida polls showing Biden ahead.

    13. Scooterboy says:

      Link on Coronavirus reporting errors.

      https://t.co/0DPDgRih2I

    14. Scooterboy says:

      Ras saying that Trump approval is up again today. I believe it was 47% yesterday.

    15. Scooterboy says:

      M. Joseph Sheppard- “ Something to ponder;

      “Average was Tuberville 49.6-38.8. So something like 95% of “undecideds” voted for Tuberville.”

      “Trump endorsed Tuberville long before this July 9th poll yet at that date 22% were “undecided”

      IMO classic “Shy Trumpers” but that’s just my surmise. If it’s correct then it throws all state polling into a cocked hat except maybe Trafalgar’s”

    16. Tina says:

      The Confederate cooler and cheeseburger club are scum

      JERRY DUNLEAVY
      @JerryDunleavy
      Lincoln Project co-founder John Weaver attacked Trump on Russia… then agreed to lobby for a Russia-owned nuclear energy company & against US sanctions on Russia, inking a $350000 contract (plus $40000/mo if renewed) & had to register as a foreign agent.

    17. Tina says:

      Ras is 48 percent.

      Don’t worry head to head he will pole 38 or 39

      Jebots lap this sheot up.

    18. PresidentPaul! says:

      Lincoln project is just the John McCain campaign back at it.

    19. Tina says:

      Wow future are up over 488.

      Appears to be due to the blow out Us. Production number.

      The economic numbers have turned to trump lately.

    20. PresidentPaul! says:

      https://news.gallup.com/poll/313415/assessment-covid-situation-increasingly-bleak.aspx

      This seems like a proxy poll for this presidential election at the moment.

    21. Cash Cow TM says:

      “Scooterboy says:
      July 15, 2020 at 9:16 am
      Link on Coronavirus reporting errors.

      https://t.co/0DPDgRih2I

      Scoots,

      Cow posted that story yesterday on the last thread.

      Pay attention bro! 🙂

      The article I read on it said people had signed up but the wait was too long and they left without being tested.

      Then got notified that their test was positive!

      WTF? SMH…

    22. Cash Cow TM says:

      Walt asked me to tell you all hello.

      He said life is just peachy,
      if you don’t mind getting kicked in the groin repeatedly every couple days.

      (I think he has been feeling low and grumpy lately..)

    23. Phil says:

      #4

      First of all, Abbott isn’t up for reelection.

      Second, Cornyn will cruise to victory.

      Third, I hope Biden dumps tons of money into Texas.

      I know my state.

      Looks like Robbie got himself a new handle.

    24. Wobbles says:

      BREAKING REPORT: 33 Florida labs were just busted COOKING THE BOOKS.. reporting 98% positive rates rather than 9.8%… ”

      That hurts.

      But I am hopeful for big numbers from AZ and TX today.

    25. Tina says:

      Somebody is dismantling the Iranian Nukes.

      Jebots and bubu are upset.

      ning Collision symbol Retweeted

      Josh Caplan
      @joshdcaplan
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      DEVELOPING: At least seven ships on fire at port of Bushehr in Iran — TASNIM NEWS

    26. PresidentPaul! says:

      The Oxford vaccine has already begun final-stage testing. AstraZeneca has said it may begin delivering doses of the vaccine as early as September.

    27. Chicon says:

      23 – Cow, that exact thing happened to a person I know.

    28. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 15, 2020 at 9:42 am

      Looks like Robbie got himself a new handle.

      – Come on. Give me a break. That’s not me.

    29. jason says:

      So Trump is down 6 in MI. 1 in NC. 6 in WI. 8 in PA. 7 in FL in an agenda driven poll owned by a self professed moonbat.

      Their previous poll showed Biden up by 7 in NC, btw.

      I wouldn’t change the national anthem just yet.

    30. Chicon says:

      32 – all polls are correct.

    31. jason says:

      CEO of Merck, who seems to be a BLM type, says you have to very careful of the vaccine.

      No, Merck does not have one.

      No, it is not a coincidence.

    32. Tina says:

      Bill gates is also livid about the vaccine.

      Keep that idiot far away from the vaccine.

    33. PresidentPaul! says:

      They’re back!

      It’s all McCain campaign people

      https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/never-trump-project-lincoln-co-founder-paid-russian-government

      Weaver, the mastermind behind John McCain’s failed 2000 and 2008 presidential campaigns, John Kasich’s failed 2016 presidential campaign, and the founder and principal of ‘The Network Companies, LLC’, acknowledged the work in a Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) filing on May 10, 2019.

    34. Hugh says:

      Here is my problem with the polling on the virus. Lots of these fraudsters are putting out polls showing parents not wanting their children to go back to school. I saw yesterday one showed 70% of parents very concerned about sending the kids back to school or not wanting the kids to go back to school. Oddly though, when the school districts Poll the parents they overwhelmingly want their children to go back to school on a regular full time basis. These polls are not even close. In Florida in my granddaughters district 70% of the parents wanted their kids to go back full-time. Somehow I think they’ll be voting for DeSantis. All these polls are a joke.

    35. Tina says:

      So, the jebots want to argue that more whites are killed by police, than blacks.

      The statement is factual.

      They will double and triple down saying it’s not.

      So stupid are the jebots and presstitutes.

    36. Blobbie says:

      Appears to be due to the blow out Us. Production number.
      —————————–

      I am really worried

    37. Pitchaboy says:

      Market is betting on DJT romp. They don’t believe in any of these polls. Vaccine is around the corner baby.

    38. jason says:

      32 – all polls are correct.”

      This is true.

      Unless they are deliberately fraudulent, they reflect the data obtained using that particular method at that particular time.

    39. Tina says:

      I have lots of concerns.

      -Jebot

    40. Chicon says:

      Good morning, Pitch. What is your current level of concern about the virus (aside from the vaccine)?

    41. jason says:

      So, the jebots want to argue that more whites are killed by police, than blacks.”

      The rate is probably higher, just like the prison population rate is higher.

      But this is not due to racism, its due to the fact blacks commit crimes at a higher rate.

      Now you can blame slavery if you want for that, economic deprivation, bad schools, etc. but it is still a fact.

    42. Hugh says:

      With polls The cross tabs are useful. But without knowing who is paying for the survey and the underlying assumptions developed by the poster. You never really know if the call is an honest one or designed for a result

    43. jason says:

      Market is betting on DJT romp.”

      My theory that this election will be a choice of system of government and not a referendum on who is a bigger scumbag or the most mentally impaired is now shared by Rush Limbaugh.

      Sue me. I am not a big fan but if he agrees with me what can I do.

      I was driving the other day and caught about 2 minutes, and he was making the same case, that this election is a stark choice between how we view our history and legacy and whether we want to abandon a merit based society for a “everyone gets a trophy” society.

    44. Country Dick Montana says:

      ““everyone gets a trophy” society.”

      Actually it will be everyone TAKES your trophy society

    45. lisab says:

      Actually it will be everyone TAKES your trophy society
      ————

      they are only taking your trophy because they need bread

    46. Tina says:

      Everybody takes your trophy and then breaks it society.

      Just like the monuments.

    47. Country Dick Montana says:

      “hey are only taking your trophy because they need bread”

      So bread has a Swoosh and costs $250 retail? OK

    48. mnw says:

      “Wednesday Market Rally Erases S&P Losses For Year”

      Don’t worry. Biden has an app for that– a big tax increase on corporations & rich people.

    49. jason says:

      With polls The cross tabs are useful. But without knowing who is paying for the survey and the underlying assumptions developed by the poster. You never really know if the call is an honest one or designed for a result”

      Unless the pollster is falsifying the data, I assume the polls are accurate given the parameters that shape the data.

      Most polls are commissioned by the MSM and done by liberals who do want to see a particular result, and you can believe they can separate the inherent bias or not.

      It is a fact that not only in the US, but in Europe and Latin America and Israel, polls tend to err against the conservative candidates more often than not. Considering conservatives are demonized by the press in all these countries, it would not be surprising if the “shy conservative” plays a factor in this rather than the polls are biased.

    50. Stonewall DW says:

      44 – Much blame can be put on the cultural training kids receive during their upbringing. I recall the story of relative from the 1980s who, as a white guy, worked incredibly hard, manual labor, to scrimp and save, to pull himself up out of poverty. He got to the point where he could buy a modest but nice middle class home, with a garage, and a paved driveway. He also was able to get a truck with a camper. One of his jobs was driving truck, and once while on the job he happened to drive past his own house, while a black coworker was riding with him. My relative pulled off to run into the house to get something, came back out and drove away. After a silence, his black coworker finally said, “I saw your house, truck and camper–that’s always the way, you whites get all the goodies, and blacks only get the crumbs.” Then the guy goes on complaining about how he cannot afford to pay the child support for the two different women with which he fathered children. But somehow, that was all my relative’s fault that the guy suffered so much.

    51. jason says:

      The Never Trumpers still want to make the election about Trump, of course.

      But events have overtaken that.

      Another serious mistake, if you want to call it that, is that the Never Trumpers are campaigning against all Republicans and in favor of all Dems.

      It is hard to see why anyone who is not a liberal, like Trump or not, would find them credible given they are advocating not only for Trump’s defeat, but a complete domination of Democrats in all 3 branches.

    52. Hugh says:

      Jason let me say this a different way. If they don’t tell you what the parameters are you cannot judge the validity. I’m not saying they just make up the numbers. But they have to set parameters for the basis of who the contacting how the contacting them. No company or government agency would ever except a pension actuaries calculations without a detailed listing of the assumptions. I am just suggesting that you cannot except the results of a pole without knowing the underlying parameters.

    53. Stonewall DW says:

      52 – Pollsters are in the business of telling people how to vote, not finding out how they will vote.

    54. pitchaboy says:

      The virus is making its rounds down south at this time. Mortality is down because it is hitting younger people and we are getting better at treating it. Clearly markets go up and down with good and bad covid news as many in the market tie Trump’s fortunes with covid. If there is a vaccine and/or situation is better in September, he is a shoe in and this is what the market is betting, notwithstanding the polls.

    55. Stonewall DW says:

      With Antifa, Democrats, and the Media trying to convince everyone how bad America is, we should start a series of anecdotes here, about actual events that we each have knowledge of, as it relates to foreign travel to other countries that remind us that the USA is still the greatest country in the world. I will start:

      A medical doctor friend decided to go spend months in a third-world country, at his own expense, to provide free medical care to as many of the country’s citizens as he could. When the trip was over, he was waiting in the airport, and the flight delays, etc, pushed the take-off past the midnight hour, which meant that he was now in the next day, which pushed him over the limits of his visa. So he was pulled aside and threatened with potential arrest if he didn’t cough up a huge amount of cash to pay for his crime. Thankfully, there was one agent who had a little bit of shame over the situation and let him off with just a smaller fine.

      But there you go. Help them at your own expense, and they try to rob you on the way out the door.

    56. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Here is a Monmouth College Poll of PA with a PID of D+8 which shows a Biden lead with Likely Voters between 7-10 pts.
      What blew me away and many will believe the same, are the responses, to questions 15-17 in the poll.

      https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_pa_071520/

    57. Blobbie says:

      “Wednesday Market Rally Erases S&P Losses For Year”
      ———————

      I am worried

    58. Stonewall DW says:

      59 – and the only way they would know with confidence about the secret Trump vote is if they were some of them. The Secret Trump vote wasn’t so secret last night in Alabama. +7 polling turned into +25 reality.

    59. John says:

      Just reported…”a Biden sup PAC launches $24 million ad campaign to encourage Blacks and Latinos to vote by mail in battleground states”
      Translation….I believe the Biden campaign knows that these polls aren’t telling the whole story and that they don’t trust them however helpful these polling firms are trying to be to Biden…

    60. Chicon says:

      41 – the purpose of a poll is to project the result onto the total relevant population with 95% confidence that the actual result will be within x% of the sample’s result. Tgca can explain further.

      Sometimes the methodology of the sample selection lessens the predictive value of the poll. Not examining this is sophomoric.

    61. Chicon says:

      61 – do you have a link for the AL polling?

    62. The godfather of politics says:

      Rasmussen

      Biden 47
      Trump 44
      Other 5
      Undecided 4

    63. Blobbie says:

      Chicon,

      btw, back in 2016 when robbie was demanding everyone publicly declare themselves to be against trump

      you and pw were two of the only people to tell him to go take a flying leap

    64. Waingro says:

      “Sheeple,Jr. says:

      What blew me away and many will believe the same, are the responses, to questions 15-17 in the poll.

      https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_pa_071520/

      This is VERY telling. Some subliminal messaging there by the respondents…

    65. Waingro says:

      #67, oooooh boy. I have a feeling the “non-partisan” prognosticators are not going to like that poll.

    66. Waingro says:

      Here is a link to the Ras poll. I have to say I’m a little skeptical that Sleepy Joe is only getting 76% of Dems.

      https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/white_house_watch_jul15

    67. PresidentPaul! says:

      Donald J. Trump
      @realDonaldTrump
      ·
      33m
      The Biden-Sanders unity plan takes a sledgehammer to charter schools, punishing students for their zip codes. No one will be SAFE in Joe Biden’s America!

      Donald J. Trump
      @realDonaldTrump
      ·
      33m
      Joe Biden and the Radical Left want to Abolish Police, Abolish ICE, Abolish Bail, Abolish Suburbs, Abolish the 2nd Amendment – and Abolish the American Way of Life. No one will be SAFE in Joe Biden’s America!

    68. PresidentPaul! says:

      I’m not sure they should be called the never-Trumpers anymore.

      It’s just the John McCain campaign.

    69. Chicon says:

      Blobbie- many have told him to take a flying leap.

    70. jason says:

      Sometimes the methodology of the sample selection lessens the predictive value of the poll.”

      The predictive value is almost zero anyway, unless it is on election day AND the methodology is good.
      But as we know, not even exit polling has been accurate, and that is the one type of polling that should be predictive.

      The value in polls is that it shows the snapshot of a point in time, so campaigns can allocate resources accordingly. They can also see how well the resources are working by comparing polls over a period of time.

    71. NYCmike says:

      “you and pw were two of the only people to tell him to go take a flying leap”

      -I didn’t tell him as well?

      Very disappointed in myself.

    72. NYCmike says:

      Good for you, Chicon.

    73. NYCmike says:

      “But as we know, not even exit polling has been accurate, and that is the one type of polling that should be predictive.”

      -Bite your tongue, A-Hole!

      Lord Arsehat early early exit polls were correct…..at least until they started counting real votes.

    74. jason says:

      And here comes Trump!

      Biden 47 (-3)
      Trump 44 (+ 4)

      I bet Robbie is rushing through his favorite moonbat sites looking for something he can post here.

      Barring that, he will not cherry pick polls by claiming he only trusts those that show Biden way ahead.

    75. jason says:

      Bite your tongue, A-Hole!”

      Who knew NYC was into the kinky st-ff?

      You never know…

    76. NYCmike says:

      “Who knew NYC was into the kinky st-ff?”

      -When in NYC…….

    77. dblaikie says:

      This is all so easy if you are a polling firm. Here are the questions for a negative Trump poll.

      1. What do you believe DT is hiding in his taxes?

      2. Do you agree with Donald Trump putting immigrant children into cages and separating them from their families?

      3. Do you believe that the President is setting a good example in not wearing a mask?

      4. Do you approve of the President asking foreign Gov. leaders to interfere in our election?

      5. Do you approve or disapprove of the President.

      6. In the upcoming election do you support Joe Biden or Donald Trump?

      You see folks it is not just sample size and identity.

    78. lisab says:

      -I didn’t tell him as well?

      Very disappointed in myself.
      —————————–

      actually, you, tina, bitterlaw and jason, and a few others i am sure, all told him in various ways to gfh

      but it was chicon and pw who dressed him down in detail

    79. NYCmike says:

      Who is “pw”?

      I don’t recall that poster?

    80. NYCmike says:

      “actually, you, tina, bitterlaw and jason,…”

      -You don’t see that written very often.

    81. Chicon says:

      74 – agree about the predictive value in the future. But they are supposed to be an accurate snapshot of the day they were taken.

      The Monmouth poll from today is a good example. It had a sample size of 401. It can be a reasonable approximation of the state, but the number of responses in a given county is pretty low. So statements about county votes can be viewed with less credence than statements about the statewide picture.

    82. dblaikie says:

      Well I think we can say that we have a gain in the Senate with Alabama. Trolls are going to avoid that. But today I want to give you another little bit of data that the media won’t report. In Michigan John James has raised more money than his opponent for the last 4 quarters of reporting. I going out a limb today, but I believe that unless Biden raises more enthusiasm with his voters — especially African American voters — James is going to win.

    83. NYCmike says:

      ” I going out a limb today, but I believe that unless Biden raises more enthusiasm with his voters — especially African American voters — James is going to win.”

      -I hope that is a strong limb!

    84. Tina says:

      But muh polls.

      Biden 12

      Drat part I’d plus 16.

    85. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      From a poster at RRH:

      “A+ Monmouth was Clinton + 8 among LV in August of 2016, so pretty close.
      https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_PA_083016/
      Trump Favorables in that 2016 poll was 31/54 (!)”

      I am beginning to understand Trafalgar’s theory of dynamic polling after the responses to 15-17 in the Monmouth PA Poll.

    86. lisab says:

      Who is “pw”?
      —————————–

      one of the early posters here

    87. Scooterboy says:

      Jason-“ But as we know, not even exit polling has been accurate, and that is the one type of polling that should be predictive.”

      During an interview that I watched, the pollster from Trafalgar basically said he doesn’t trust exit polling at all. He said it’s because of the “shy” vote factor.

      He said if people aren’t comfortable with telling someone over the phone who they are going to vote for, they certainly aren’t going to tell someone standing outside a polling station, who they actually voted for.

    88. jason says:

      What do you believe DT is hiding in his taxes?

      2. Do you agree with Donald Trump putting immigrant children into cages and separating them from their families?”

      Meanwhile, on Obama:

      1. What do you think is his greatest achievement, world peace or keeping the oceans from rising

    89. Gordon Allen says:

      Even at 47-44 Rasmussen has Trump running behind his approval number.

    90. jason says:

      Interesting data on the House in the PA Monmouth poll:

      he Monmouth University Poll also posed a generic ballot test for the U.S. House of Representatives election, which shows 49% of registered voters currently supporting the Democratic candidate in their district and 45% backing the Republican. Applying likely voter models to these results, high turnout puts the statewide vote choice at 48% Democrat and 46% Republican while low turnout has it at 48% Republican and 47% Democrat.

      In the 2018 midterm election, Democrats won the cumulative house vote in Pennsylvania by 10 points, although this statewide margin was inflated by two or three points because of the lack of a GOP challenger on the ballot in PA18. The decrease in the Democratic margin this year seems to be the result of a shift toward the GOP in safe districts more than in the competitive districts. In 12 congressional districts where the winning margin for either party was greater than 15 points, the Democrats held a cumulative 14 point edge in the final vote count in 2018. In the current poll, they have a 3 point deficit (46% for the Democrats to 49% for the Republicans) in these seats using the low turnout model.”

    91. Gordon Allen says:

      For the three days of the poll he was 45,47, and 48( average 46.7 which if reached would have him leading 46.7-44.3. Just saying

    92. Tina says:

      Look how the disease has changed in Italy

      No Problem ??
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      Dr Bassetti, Dir. Infectious Diseases S. Martino Hosp. “In Italy we don’t have an emergency or new ‘cases’ anymore. 95% of positive tests now have NO SYMPTOMS”
      @FatEmperor

      @daniellevitt22

      @aginnt

      @tlowdon

      @Hold2LLC

      @AlexBerenson

      @kylamb8

      @MLevitt_NP2013

    93. jason says:

      Another interesting tidbit in the Monmouth PA polls was the question who do you think will win, and Trump comes out ahead.

    94. Robbie says:

      Pitchaboy says:
      July 15, 2020 at 10:42 am
      Market is betting on DJT romp. They don’t believe in any of these polls. Vaccine is around the corner baby.

      – I hope a vaccine is around the corner, but the market is being propped up by the Federal Reserve. The old adage “Don’t fight the Fed” is alive and well.

    95. Scooter says:

      Doug Schoen: Trump is big winner and Sessions is big loser in Tuesday primaries, while Dems remain divided

      “ The president’s current chances for reelection may be stronger than national polls indicate”

      https://t.co/pzQX6wJyR4

    96. Robbie says:

      Blobbie says:
      July 15, 2020 at 12:10 pm
      Chicon,

      btw, back in 2016 when robbie was demanding everyone publicly declare themselves to be against trump

      you and pw were two of the only people to tell him to go take a flying leap

      – Looks like lisab forgot to change back to here regular screen name.

    97. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 15, 2020 at 12:46 pm
      And here comes Trump!

      Biden 47 (-3)
      Trump 44 (+ 4)

      I bet Robbie is rushing through his favorite moonbat sites looking for something he can post here.

      – Nope. It’s a good number for Trump. It will be interesting to see if polls that come out over the next week confirm this result.

    98. Scooterboy says:

      Doug Schoenberg- “ Given the clear progressive insurgency within the Democratic Party across the country, there will also likely be greater pressure on the party to embrace left-leaning policies, such as defunding the police, which are unpopular with the general electorate. Doing so could cost the Democrats the presidency, the Senate, and even their current House majority.”

    99. Scooterboy says:

      Should be Schoen, not Schoenberg

    100. Tina says:

      Is it true that with the last few primaries, China Biden is getting a really low percentage.

      The presstitutes are quiet.

    101. NYCmike says:

      “– I hope a vaccine is around the corner, but the market is being propped up by the Federal Reserve. The old adage “Don’t fight the Fed” is alive and well.”

      -Vaccine is a false hope, and bunu will be hopeful that his constant FED posts broke through to Pogo Loco.

    102. Tina says:

      A fiasco today with China Biden’s interview. His minions shut it down.

      https://twitter.com/ArthurSchwartz/status/1283435551962652674

    103. Robbie says:

      “Vaccine is a false hope” is quite dumb to say. Of course, NYCmike thinks life is back to normal even with restaurants banned for serving indoors in the Northeast or many school systems announcing there will be no in-person classes for the foreseeable future. Yeah, that’s back to normal in some sort of dystopian horror novel, but that’s about it.

    104. NYCmike says:

      Robbie,

      You have way too much time on your hands.

      Make sure you, #NeverTrumpers, and Democrats are first in line to test the new vaccine.

    105. Country Dick Montana says:

      “Yeah, that’s back to normal in some sort of dystopian horror novel, but that’s about it.”

      I can go to restaurants here. There aren’t zombies or walking dead or even dead dead littering the streets. You are very emotional.

    106. Gordon Allen says:

      When was the last time a really effective vaccine was developed to defeat this type of virus. Even the various flu vaccines are at best 50% effective,often considerably less. I don’t think the vaccine is the likely primary answer. Most likely it will burn itself out as others have done. I doubt a miracle cure is around the corner, but it would be nice indeed.

    107. NYCmike says:

      “Of course, NYCmike thinks life is back to normal even with restaurants banned for serving indoors in the Northeast or many school systems announcing there will be no in-person classes for the foreseeable future.”

      -Back to normal = Democratic politicians seeking more power for themselves at the expense of the citizen. The details are inconsequential.

      I still wake up every morning, pray to my GOD for guidance, forgiveness and strength, go to work, pay my bills, prepare for the future.

      You still wake up and regurgitate MSM narratives at HHR.

    108. NYCmike says:

      “You are very emotional.”

      -Like a 15 year old.

    109. Robbie says:

      NYCmike says:
      July 15, 2020 at 2:17 pm
      Robbie,

      You have way too much time on your hands.

      Make sure you, #NeverTrumpers, and Democrats are first in line to test the new vaccine.

      – I will be in line to get the coronavirus vaccine when it’s available.

      You, Rand Paul, and the nutty anti-vax crowd can do as you wish.

    110. NYCmike says:

      https://www.jpost.com/health-science/hebrew-u-scientist-drug-could-eradicate-covid-19-from-lungs-in-days-635028

      -Then there is this!

      Robbie wouldn’t find this link, as it is from Instapundit.com , and that isn’t on his list of MSM-approved sites.

    111. Tina says:

      The Lincoln project has been renamed the Putin Project.

      Lots of grifters there working for Russia.

    112. NYCmike says:

      #116 – HEH!

      Now I am part of the “anti-vax crowd” because I believe inventing a vaccine is quite a substantial undertaking, and would rather not rush it to calm the nerves of Robbie, a supposedly adult-aged overly-emotional snowflake.

    113. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      July 15, 2020 at 2:20 pm
      “Yeah, that’s back to normal in some sort of dystopian horror novel, but that’s about it.”

      I can go to restaurants here. There aren’t zombies or walking dead or even dead dead littering the streets. You are very emotional.

      – No. I am realistic about how bad things are in the country right now. If you think the way we’re living right now is anything close to normal, then we disagree completely.

      Coronavirus is not contained, the economy is in rough shape, unemployment is over 10%, entire industries are on life support, the country just suffered its worst race riots in 50 years, and, now students in most place won’t even be able to attend in-person classes. The fallout from this will take years to overcome.

      There’s nothing emotional about that. That’s just a recitation of the current state of affairs in the country. I know some here want to believe everything is back to normal or very close, but it’s not remotely the case.

    114. Chicon says:

      112 – he has been an emotionally based poster for quite awhile, although he alleges the opposite. Methinks he doth protest too much.

      Anyway. the emotion about life returning to normal is based on the emotion of fear. Fear of losing his job. Until he feels safe, the whole economy is on the edge.

      I do hope he keeps his job….

    115. Country Dick Montana says:

      No one here says that things are “just the way they were.” what we have done is adapt and gotten on with things as best we can.

      There are small businesses that have suffered through the actions of their mayors and governors. many of those same people will start over. People who start businesses are optimists by definition, something that you probably don’t understand. Larger businesses will survive or they were on their way out anyway.

      I will agree on one thing. The airlines are not coming back. Business has figured out that it doesn’t need road warriors any longer and the pleasure traveler will not make up the difference. There will be smaller more nimble carriers, with more experienced pilots.

    116. NYCmike says:

      🙂

      He is definitely a professional doomsday advocate!

      The sky is falling!

      And he calls himself a devout Roman Catholic…..the commie Pope Francis would be embarrassed by this guy.

    117. Robbie says:

      NYCmike says:
      July 15, 2020 at 2:28 pm
      #116 – HEH!

      Now I am part of the “anti-vax crowd”

      – I didn’t say you were part of the anti-vax crowd or I would have said “you and your buddies in the anti vax crowd”.

      You’re clearly part of a larger group of people (which includes anti-vaxers) who aren’t willing to take a new vaccine. I remember when quite a few in this forum defended Chris Christie’s transparent effort to appeal to the hard right in February 2015 when he said parents should have the right to keep their kids from getting important vaccinations like the measles shot. Well, last Summer there was a big outbreak of measles in NYC among a group who didn’t believe in vaccinations for their children.

      But just keep throwing out right wing catch phrases like “snowflake”. It really makes your argument’s so great.

    118. NYCmike says:

      “No one here says that things are “just the way they were.” what we have done is adapt and gotten on with things as best we can.”

      -Wherein Country Dick Montana shows Robbie what a functioning brain does…..

    119. Tina says:

      The government should mandate the coronavirus vaccine and make sure it’s produced in China,

      Jebot

    120. Country Dick Montana says:

      Oh, and just so you understand that I am not being cavalier about the whole thing, if Dems get the trifecta and implement the new green deal I will likely be out of a job as will my 36 year old son. I don’t worry as I can retire, my son on the other hand is already working on plan B

    121. Tina says:

      Breaking

      Feds Beige Book shows economic activity picking up.

    122. lisab says:

      Coronavirus is not contained, the economy is in rough shape, unemployment is over 10%, entire industries are on life support, the country just suffered its worst race riots in 50 years, and, now students in most place won’t even be able to attend in-person classes. The fallout from this will take years to overcome.

      There’s nothing emotional about that. That’s just a recitation of the current state of affairs in the country. I know some here want to believe everything is back to normal or very close, but it’s not remotely the case.
      ——————————————–

      good thing robbie was not on iwo jima

    123. Country Dick Montana says:

      What is your plan B? Or as George ZClooney said in that great movie “Up In The Air” What’s in your backpack.

    124. NYCmike says:

      “Well, last Summer there was a big outbreak of measles in NYC among a group who didn’t believe in vaccinations for their children.”

      -Got it.

      You, who live in Kentucky, know better what went on in, I believe it was Rockland County, than I do, who made deliveries to that area on a daily basis.

      The best part about that hysteria from last year was the community most affected were the ones least bothered by it.

      Pull your pants up, little boy, and tighten your belt!

    125. Tina says:

      I thought I was listening to Cn and n.

    126. Tina says:

      Maybe it’s mslsd or Cn and n. Hard to differentiate

      Coronavirus is not contained, the economy is in rough shape, unemployment is over 10%, entire industries are on life support, the country just suffered its worst race riots in 50 years, and, now students in most place won’t even be able to attend in-person classes. The fallout from this will take years to overcome.

      There’s nothing emotional about that. That’s just a recitation of the current state of affairs in the country. I know some here want to believe everything is back to normal or very close, but it’s not remotely the case.

    127. Robbie says:

      Chicon says:
      July 15, 2020 at 2:37 pm
      112 – he has been an emotionally based poster for quite awhile, although he alleges the opposite. Methinks he doth protest too much.

      Anyway. the emotion about life returning to normal is based on the emotion of fear. Fear of losing his job. Until he feels safe, the whole economy is on the edge.

      – Would you describe anything that’s taking place in America today as resembling normal? Are mask mandates normal? Is forced reduced capacity at stores and restaurants normal? Is the prohibition of church services normal as is the case once again in California? Is cancelling in-person classes for months and months normal?

      I understand that many here want to believe things are back to normal, but there isn’t a shred of normalcy to our lives today as compared to what it was on March 1, 2020.

      That’s not emotional or fear based. That’s just factual. More than 40 million were forced on unemployment in March, April, and May. Thousands and thousands of small business and restaurants were forced to close permanently. Airlines lost 75% of their passengers. Cruise lines have lost 100% of their passengers. Hotels aren’t in much better shape.

    128. NYCmike says:

      #132 – I thought I posted Bari Weiss’s resignation letter yesterday, and it was done ESPECIALLY for Robbie.

      Did I neglect to do that?

      This guy (?) believes everything he reads in the MSM without ever questioning it.

      S A D ! ! !

    129. Tina says:

      John Cardillo
      @johncardillo
      ·
      52m
      Florida:

      Orlando Health: Covid positivity reported as 98%, was actually 9.4%

      Orlando Veterans Hospital: Covid positivity reported as 76%, was actually 6%

      These are not “decimal point errors.” This is fraud and we’re allowing it to shut our nation down.

    130. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      July 15, 2020 at 2:39 pm
      I will agree on one thing. The airlines are not coming back. Business has figured out that it doesn’t need road warriors any longer and the pleasure traveler will not make up the difference. There will be smaller more nimble carriers, with more experienced pilots.

      – I guess the last line was meant to be a shot at me. Real subtle.

      I was a line check airman at my last employer. I’ll let you look that up and see what that means.

      And don’t try and pretend you weren’t accusing me of being qualified. You knew exactly what you were doing.

    131. NYCmike says:

      Could you imagine Robbie during a World War?

    132. dblaikie says:

      nycmike, You need less reliance on polls and more reliance on the quality of the candidate. Even if you want to look at polls the incumbent is well below 50% in all except change research — won’t waste time proving they are bogus.

    133. NYCmike says:

      ” There will be smaller more nimble carriers, with more experienced pilots.”

      -I took it as a statement of fact.

      There will be fewer pilots, and those with less experience would not get hired as quickly as those with more experience.

    134. Tina says:

      Hopefully, if trump wins, fallacy retires and somebody more competent heads cdc.

      Fallacy is pissing in the wind.

    135. Country Dick Montana says:

      “I took it as a statement of fact.”

      That’s what it was. No more kids in the right seat with 1000 hour total time, nearly all of it in piston engine planes.

    136. Tina says:

      “Arizona is an important city.”

      China Biden

    137. NYCmike says:

      Hey dblaikie,

      To which comment of mine are you referring?

      I believe it is possible for James to win…..and for that to happen, the “limb” you are out on means “the polls are wrong!”…..which I tend to believe.

      I guess I am an optimist.

      Robbie is the “undecided” pessimist.

    138. NYCmike says:

      “Fallacy is pissing in the wind.”

      -Give him his 10 new Medals first, and a pair of llamas.

    139. Tina says:

      Market will likely fall tomorrow.

      Fallacy is appearing on a show with the Facebook head.

      Look for confusing and stupid statements.

    140. Chicon says:

      134 – your worldview is shaped by the fear of losing your job. It is not that there aren’t issues, it’s that your fear causes an overreaction to the situation.

    141. Robbie says:

      NYCmike says:
      July 15, 2020 at 2:50 pm
      Could you imagine Robbie during a World War?

      – I always get a kick out you questioning the judgement of others when you’re the one who continually supports deadender Senate candidates who lose unlosable races.

      How are Senators Sharron Angle, COD, Ken Buck, Richard Mourdock, Matt Bevin, Greg Brannon, Dr. Milton Wolfe, and Chris McDaniel doing?

    142. NYCmike says:

      Robbie,

      I would think someone with a pilot’s license would be able to get a CDL. Plenty of companies looking for drivers with a Class A license, and making some good money too.

      Just a thought.

    143. Stonewall DW says:

      1940 Robbie:

      The British were only able to evacuate some 330,000 from Dunkirk. What of the rest?

      Some serious questions have to be asked as to whether or not the Germans can be stopped. Churchill calls it a miracle of deliverance, but it looks to me like a colossal failure.

      We have to wonder how much better it will be for Hitler to destroy these troops on British soil than in France? This was probably Hitler’s intention all along as the former will be far more demoralizing than the latter.

      One other fact that needs to be mentioned, these 330,000 will be so shell-shocked that they will very likely be unfit for further combat in the future.

      The British citizens might just as well start learning to speak German and get a head start.

    144. NYCmike says:

      #149 – between this type of response from you, and the daily appearance by Wes to mention Chuck Schumer, I appreciate both of your abilities to lighten my mood!

      Smiling works wonders for high stress levels!

    145. Chicon says:

      149 – says the guy whose ideological purity caused him to not vote for the Republican candidate for President in 2016 and 2020. Calling others deadenders is the height of hypocrisy.

    146. NYCmike says:

      https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/smithsonian-whiteness-anti-white-propaganda/

      -This link has a hand-out about “White Culture”.

      Shameful.

      Also, I would NOT look to give children their own rooms!

      And in regard to a “Protestant Work Ethic”, GFY! I’ll put my Roman Catholic work ethic up against any Protestant, except those dang Calvinists, any day of the week……..except Sunday, of course!

    147. Robbie says:

      Chicon says:
      July 15, 2020 at 2:58 pm
      134 – your worldview is shaped by the fear of losing your job. It is not that there aren’t issues, it’s that your fear causes an overreaction to the situation.

      – My worldview is not shaped by the fear of losing my job nor is it an overreaction. My worldview is shaped by what’s actually happening in the country right now.

      Coronavirus is not contained, the economy stinks, unemployment is over 10%, and racial unrest continues. Those are undisputable facts. So let’s not pretend that viewing things in the country as bad when they are is an overreaction.

    148. NYCmike says:

      “Coronavirus is not contained, the economy stinks, unemployment is over 10%, and racial unrest continues. Those are undisputable facts. So let’s not pretend that viewing things in the country as bad when they are is an overreaction.”

      -I have this sudden urge for Chicken Littles……

    149. Chicon says:

      155 – it is a rare fish that knows it is wet.

    150. Robbie says:

      Stonewall DW says:
      July 15, 2020 at 3:02 pm
      1940 Robbie:

      The British were only able to evacuate some 330,000 from Dunkirk. What of the rest?

      – I love that accurately describing how things are going in the country right now is somehow comparable defeatism in WWII. Did I say all is lost? No. Of course, I didn’t. What a joke.

      This whole discussion began because I wrote “I hope a vaccine is around the corner” (what a crazy thing to say, right?) and NYCmike wrote that “vaccine is a false hope”. I don’t believe a vaccine is a false hope and polls show as much as 70% of the country wants to get a coronavirus vaccine.

      As much some here don’t think a vaccine is needed to restore life as it was on March 1, 2020, it very likely is. All of these limitations aren’t suddenly going to go away. Governors aren’t going to give up their emergency powers otherwise.

    151. Robbie says:

      NYCmike says:
      July 15, 2020 at 3:08 pm
      “Coronavirus is not contained, the economy stinks, unemployment is over 10%, and racial unrest continues. Those are undisputable facts. So let’s not pretend that viewing things in the country as bad when they are is an overreaction.”

      -I have this sudden urge for Chicken Littles……

      – Is anything I wrote untrue? No. Did I say all is lost? No. All I said was “I hope a vaccine is around the corner” and I hope that’s the case because we won’t get rid of these emergency powers governors are using without one.

    152. Phil says:

      It’s amazing that Robbie hasn’t committed suicide.

    153. NYCmike says:

      “I don’t believe a vaccine is a false hope and polls show as much as 70% of the country wants to get a coronavirus vaccine.”

      -I want a vaccine as well.

      I would also like those creating the vaccine to follow the same protocols they used when creating the polio vaccine, the smallpox vaccine, etc etc…..you know, those vaccines that actually work!

    154. Tina says:

      Jebots love ms-13

      The White House
      @WhiteHouse
      ·
      2h
      The Trump Administration is fighting for safety, security, and rule of law.

      “In the last three years,
      @ICEgov
      has deported over 16,000 gang members and arrested over 2,000 members of MS-13.”

    155. NYCmike says:

      Hope Tuberville is ready for prime time.

    156. Hugh says:

      I hope they spend a ton in Alabama. It will be a complete blowout

    157. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Trump’s worst poll ever courtesy of Quinnipiac. The PID is D+10.Registered Voters.

      Approval/Disapproval- 36/60
      Head-to-Head- Biden 52% to Trump 37%

      https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3666

    158. Chicon says:

      167 – Robbie will be aroused.

    159. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 15, 2020 at 3:24 pm
      It’s amazing that Robbie hasn’t committed suicide.

      – Ok. Four yes/no questions.

      1. Is coronavirus unchecked in the country?

      2. Does the economy stink?

      3. Is unemployment over 10%?

      4. Has the country experienced racial unrest recently?

    160. Brandon says:

      Could it be that people are just tired of Trump?

    161. NYCmike says:

      “Could it be that people are just tired of Trump?”

      -Sure.

      Too much winning?!?!

    162. Robbie says:

      Chicon says:
      July 15, 2020 at 3:48 pm
      167 – Robbie will be aroused.

      – Hardly. A number like that means lots of Republicans will lose who otherwise wouldn’t.

      And by the way, just as Rasmussen is consistently Trump’s best poll, Quinnipiac is consistently Trump’s worst poll. So spilt the difference.

      Before I would even consider that Trump’s down 15 points, I would need to see several other contemporary polls that suggest something similar.

      I think he’s down and probably by more than most here believe, but I have hard time believing he’s down 15.

    163. NYCmike says:

      Brandon,

      will you be sitting it out, or voting for Biden?

      Which state were you in? NJ?

    164. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #170- Brandon
      Hope you are well.
      Quinn says YES and Ras says NO.

    165. Robbie says:

      Brandon says:
      July 15, 2020 at 3:54 pm
      Could it be that people are just tired of Trump?

      – Trump fatigue.

    166. Country Dick Montana says:

      Just because we have grown weary of his antics doesn’t mean that we will sign a suicide pact and vote for socialism.

      The choice is binary. A bad binary choice, a choice nonetheless.

    167. Tina says:

      Aroused.

      Like flies on sheot.

    168. Stonewall DW says:

      Funny how some will believe all the polls when actual data is available from the primaries, as to how people actually vote.

    169. Tina says:

      Doe closed up 228.

      China virus vaccine hopes, earnings, and strong economic numbers.

    170. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Here is a just released Hill/HarrisX National Poll which shows Trump’s approval/disapproval at 45/55, respectively. The field dates of this poll somewhat overlap the Quinn-on-Steroids Poll!

      https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/507514-poll-trump-approval-on-economy-ticks-up-2-points

    171. Brandon says:

      I will probably vote 3rd party or write in. Not that it matters in NJ anyway.

    172. Country Dick Montana says:

      “strong economic numbers.”

      When the free lunch ends on July 31 they will get even better. Lots of places can’t find employees because we are paying them $22 an hour to sit at home.

    173. Tina says:

      If Biden is dropped, I will write in Hillary.

      Jebot

    174. Brandon says:

      I just hope the senate holds.

    175. Robbie says:

      Brandon says:
      July 15, 2020 at 4:13 pm
      I just hope the senate holds.

      – If Trump can narrow the margin to five or so one election day, I *think* Republicans can hold the Senate.

      If the margin is anything close to the current RCP average, Democrats may win the Senate with a seat to spare.

      The good news is Alabama essentially makes it 54 seats for Republicans. The bad news is AZ and CO make it 52 for Republicans.

      Under that scenario, Democrats would need only win two other seats and it would be 50/50 with Biden’s VP breaking all ties.

    176. jason says:

      Brandon says:
      July 15, 2020 at 3:54 pm
      Could it be that people are just tired of Trump?”

      No, that ship sailed long ago with COVID and George Floyd.

      People aren’t going to vote for a radical change in the system of government and to in essence erase the history of the country because they are tired of Trump.

      Biden is a mentally impaired scumbag. People who vote for him want to change the country, and there are lot of such people because our educational system has for decades taught them that capitalism is evil and socialism is good for them.

      The chickens have come home to roost.

      By November, the choice will be even clearer.

      My difference with many here is that I am not convinced the nanny staters that believe in socialism, BLM and culture canceling liktearing down Mt. Rushmore and banning the National Anthem are not now a voting majority.

      If they are, Biden will win. But it won’t be “Trump fatigue”, that is nonsense. People understand the stakes are a lot higher than that. Even people not tuned in much to politics.

    177. Tina says:

      I think trump is losing by 20.

      Jebot

    178. Hugh says:

      Enough with the silliness. Ras nailed percentage wise the last election. How did quin do? But forget that. There is no way that the quin is anywhere near correct. Whatever those idiots are doing is no better then us guessing. If the election was held tomorrow it would be close 4 or 5 point at the most. Anyone outside that range on a consistent basis is committing malpractice.

    179. UgandanAttorney says:

      I don’t think the issue with poll skewing is complicated.

      (1) In 2016, the poll skewers were absolutely right as to the state polling in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Iowa and Wisconsin and to a lesser extent Florida and North Carolina.

      (2) In 2018, the poll skewers were absolutely right as to the state polling in Florida, Missouri, and Tennessee but wrong elsewhere.

      There are two types of “poll skewers.” The first type is the type that analyzes the crosstabs of a poll to adjust the numbers accordingly. The second type is the type that says polling averages should be rejected because some polls just get it right (e.g. Trafalgar) while other polls just get it wrong due to consistent sampling failures (e.g., Quinnipiac).

      The second group of poll skewers nailed 2016 to a tee.

      Can we at least reach an agreement on this description of the success or lack thereof for poll skewers in recent elections?

    180. jason says:

      In my area American flags are popping up like mushrooms everywhere. Even among the Amish.

      I think people are paying attention to what a Democrat victory means to their values. I just hope there are enough of them.

    181. NYCmike says:

      “I just hope the senate holds.”

      -Nothing like voting 3rd party for President to show how much you are willing to fight for the Senate.

      Where do you disagree with President Trump?

      Trade?

      How he speaks to fellow NATO country leaders who refuse to spend the amount of money on defense they are supposed to?

      Immigration?

      Cutting regulations?

    182. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #188-Hugh
      You do know that Gillian is the Governor of FL and Bill Nelson the Senator from that State, each by 7 pts. The Quinnipiac pollsters told me so in 2018. Ditto with Clinton carrying Ohio in 2016 by 4.

    183. NYCmike says:

      “A bad binary choice, a choice nonetheless.”

      -In my opinion, voting for Trump in 2020 has been shown to be a better choice than I had in 2012 or 2008.

    184. Phil says:

      D+10 electorate.

      Okie Dokie.

      Guess Robbie’s bud Kristol has to be right then. We really are all socialists now. At least on Planet Quinnipiac….and we all know Quinn wouldn’t publish a poll that didn’t reflect the accurate makeup of the electorate. D+10 looks pretty accurate to me. Right in line with the last six or seven presidential elections, er, well maybe not quite, but this electorate is really really really different.
      Trust them….besides, they said so on CNN.

    185. Brandon says:

      My vote for president in my state does not matter anyway as Biden will win by 15+ points. My vote for senate will not matter either as Booker will win by 20+.

      I believe he is a poor leader that has cost the Republicans the suburbs that will take a lot of work to get back. The senate shouldn’t even be in play but he has destroyed the Republican brand in many places as evidenced by the major swings the suburbs have had since 2016.

    186. Tina says:

      We needed another war in Krapistan for trump to win.

    187. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 15, 2020 at 4:31 pm
      D+10 electorate.

      Okie Dokie.

      Guess Robbie’s bud Kristol has to be right then.

      – If you think I’m rooting for Republicans in the House and Senate to lose, you’re incorrect. That’s what Kristol is doing and I don’t agree with it at all.

      He’s made his choice to burn every bridge he had with conservatism and the Republican Party. While I don’t care for Trump, I want to see the party regain its footing after this is over and seeing scores of Republicans lose won’t accomplish that.

      I think the 2014 class of Republican Senators elected was the best in a generation.

    188. jason says:

      1. Is coronavirus unchecked in the country?

      No. Not even close. Today 36 states will report 10 or fewer deaths, and that is with reopening at least a month ago.

      “Virus unchecked” is an MSBBC buzz word, not surprised Robbie is using it.

      2. Does the economy stink?

      Yes and no. It certainly doesn’t stink as much as you and your MSM friends wanted it to. And it is easy to see it is poised to come roaring back.

      3. Is unemployment over 10%?

      Yes, but it is actually remarkable it didn’t go higher. And Trump can easily make the case that if not for him, it would be a lot higher and the country would still be shut down.

      4. Has the country experienced racial unrest recently?

      I hardly see that as a reason to vote for the people who are leading the unrest. That is like Hitler running on a platform to do away with concentration camps.

    189. lisab says:

      It’s amazing that Robbie hasn’t committed suicide.
      ————————-

      he wants you to commit suicide

    190. Tina says:

      I had no problem when unemployment was 10 percent under Obama.

      Jebot

    191. dblaikie says:

      Well folks welcome back to 2016. You remember the world were the majority of polls had Trump losing by huge numbers. But then there were a few like Rasmussen that didn’t go along with that narrative. The question is what to believe?

      In confusing times it is always good to get back to basics. Historically once a nominee wraps up the primary and secures the base they go back to the center. But Biden is not doing this at all. The fact is he is lurching further to the left. His program has nothing to appeal to moderate voters who are squeamish in supporting Trump. The big question is why? I believe that the answer is two fold. First and most importantly Biden has not nailed his base down yet. His campaign has no confidence in its strength of support. Secondly because of the first point Biden has become a creature of the left! He is a senile puppet.

      Just another little data point for you to consider beyond polls that are suspect at best. And to be clear I am in the camp that they are all suspect.

    192. Tina says:

      Wow, Quinn really blew those 2 Florida races.

      Garbage in and out.

    193. jason says:

      I believe he is a poor leader that has cost the Republicans the suburbs that will take a lot of work to get back. The senate shouldn’t even be in play but he has destroyed the Republican brand in many places as evidenced by the major swings the suburbs have had since 2016.”

      Republicans have destroyed the Republican brand in lots of places, not Trump.

      Trump was the consequence of the changes in the party, not the cause.

      I disagree with a lot of Trump’s policies, but poor leader is not how I would describe him. He is actually a very effective leader, he just does not represent a lot of what I would want him to lead on.

    194. jason says:

      f you think I’m rooting for Republicans in the House and Senate to lose, you’re incorrect.”

      LOL

      Lying fraud.

    195. lisab says:

      sommerville, massachusetts has approved poly-marriages

      even provincetown, massachusetts does not have poly-marriages

    196. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 15, 2020 at 4:41 pm
      Republicans have destroyed the Republican brand in lots of places, not Trump.

      Trump was the consequence of the changes in the party, not the cause.

      – If Republicans destroyed their brand in a lot of places, how do you explain 2014? The party ended that election with the largest number of House seats since 1928, 54 Senate seats, control of the vast majority of governorships in the country, and large numbers of state legislative seats.

      It wasn’t until Trump came along that the Republican brand fell apart in the suburbs and in many other places. By June 2017, Republicans had to fight tooth and nail to hold onto Tom Price’s suburban House seat that he had won by 20 points six months earlier.

    197. Country Dick Montana says:

      Test

    198. Country Dick Montana says:

      Responded to lisa in 206 and it was put into moderation.

    199. lisab says:

      the long-time curator of the museum of modern art in san francisco

      has resigned

      after saying that the museum would continue to collect art from white artists, as to not do so would be reverse discrimination

      his “toxic white supremacist beliefs and statements” caused the community to demand his resignation, which was non-negotiable

    200. Country Dick Montana says:

      “It wasn’t until Trump came along that the Republican brand fell apart in the suburbs and in many other places”

      So how did a neophyte politician with no ground game beat all of those other professional politicians in the primaries? Trump didn’t magically make himself the candidate and President. he won it.

    201. Stonewall DW says:

      “His program” –Biden told the reporter that he won’t say what his program is–its up to voters to figure that out.

    202. Chicon says:

      199 – excellent post.

    203. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      July 15, 2020 at 4:52 pm
      “It wasn’t until Trump came along that the Republican brand fell apart in the suburbs and in many other places”

      So how did a neophyte politician with no ground game beat all of those other professional politicians in the primaries? Trump didn’t magically make himself the candidate and President. he won it.

      – That he won the primary and the general didn’t mean the brand sucked. It meant the country wanted a Republican president after eight years of Obama.

      If the brand sucked before Trump came along, there never would have been a 2014 sweep.

    204. Chicon says:

      214 – twisting…..

      It’s a rare fish that knows it is wet.

    205. Country Dick Montana says:

      But they could have had Cruz, Rubio, Kasich (My choice but what a bitter POS he has turned out to be),Jeb, Rand Paul, etc, etc, etc.

      He beat them all. What does that say about the Republican party in 201?

    206. Robbie says:

      Chicon says:
      July 15, 2020 at 5:00 pm
      214 – twisting…..

      It’s a rare fish that knows it is wet.

      – So if the Republican brand sucked, how did 2014 happen?

    207. Tina says:

      I believe in 2014, the “brand” promised a repeal of obumbler care, an end to foreign wars, and “border security.”

      How did the brand do?

    208. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 15, 2020 at 5:03 pm
      I believe in 2014, the “brand” promised a repeal of obumbler care, an end to foreign wars, and “border security.”

      How did the brand do?

      – On Obamacare, ask Rand Paul. All he had to do was vote in favor of the bill in 2017 and it would be gone.

    209. Phil says:

      210

      What an outrageous statement. Obviously a white supremacist. Off with his head.

    210. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      The polls are coming fast today. Here is a new Wall Street Journal/NBC Poll. The PID is D+7. Registered Voters.

      Trump’s Approval/Disapproval- 42/56,respectively
      Biden +11 over Trump

      https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6989473/200356-NBCWSJ-July-Poll-7-15-2020-Release.pdf

    211. Country Dick Montana says:

      210 and 220 – They are eating their own. An art metaphor would be Goya’s “Saturn Devouring His Son”

    212. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #221
      Add: The Congressional Generic Ballot is only D+4(43/47)

    213. Tina says:

      Give us the house, we will repeal

      Give us the house and senate we will repeal

      Give us the house, senate and president we will repeal and replace.

      Facts matter.

    214. Tina says:

      Video of Fed police “abducting” an Antifa. They shoved the white Jebot into a van.

      https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1283452585945583618

    215. Tina says:

      At lease the gubment is not using “white” vans. Too racist you know.

      Could trigger a Jebot.

    216. Country Dick Montana says:

      https://triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/young-mens-republican-club-of-allegheny-county-shut-down-for-covid-19-violations/

      “The health department has ordered the closure of the Young Men’s Republican Club of Allegheny County for violating covid-19 restrictions on serving food and beverages indoors.”

      But you can still protest and loot. Shutting down a facility associated with the opposing political party. Where have we seen this before.

    217. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 15, 2020 at 5:39 pm
      Give us the house, we will repeal

      Give us the house and senate we will repeal

      Give us the house, senate and president we will repeal and replace.

      Facts matter.

      – Yeah. Take it up with Rand Paul. We got all those things and he voted no. As usual, he wanted 100% or nothing. And by the way, he never gets to “yes” on stuff like this anyway. He’d rather posture.

    218. Country Dick Montana says:

      Robbie – Would you be kind enough to comment on my post in 216. The GOP had choices in 2016. What happened.

    219. Tina says:

      No, the party did a bait and switch.

      They lied and the same time funding more wars abroad and wanted amnesty.

    220. Tina says:

      Lol, it’s “real,”

      M.Joseph Sheppard Retweeted

      0114
      @EjiwHOH7gtkuAY5
      ·
      1h
      Replying to
      @SHEPMJS
      and
      @QuinnipiacPoll
      At some point, these polls need to be relegated to the fiction section. 24R 34D 24 I? Really?

    221. Tina says:

      Lol, I believe this person “forgot” that a White supremacisf was Put to death yesterday.
      Mehdi Hasan
      @mehdirhasan
      · 5h
      Whatever your view on MS-13 or on the death penalty, ask yourself this: have you ever heard Trump call for the death penalty for a white supremacist terrorist? Have you ever heard him passionately denounce white supremacist murderers as “monsters”? You know the answers – and why. twitter.com/markknoller/st…

    222. NBC sponsors the Marist polls AND change research?? ” Independent” polling at it’s best. Either the country is going rapidly hard left,or the media and polling as an industry are going to be conclusively destroyed. The media and ” their pollsters” know the stakes;do regular Americans? I think so; but that’s where we are. ” Style and tweets” are unadulterated BS for some to hide behind. It is down to this; irrevocable sides have to be taken.

    223. Country Dick Montana says:

      Breitbart could ask Change Research to do apoll and they would find the same thing. Look at their website, particularly the executive bio’s. Never seen a more woke bunch.

      https://www.changeresearch.com/our-team

      When the co-founder states that she would like to see “Regime Change” on thier website, it tell you everything that you need to know. Way left leaning.

    224. Tina says:

      Yeah the republican brand improved and trumps did not. Garbage in and out. The same republicans that went wobbly for protesters and the same Rs thst kneeled to BLM.

      Erik Wasson
      @elwasson
      · 49m
      Congressional Polling: the Democrats’ lead in congressional preference has declined from 11 points in June’s NBC News/WSJ poll (51 percent to 40 percent), to 4 points now (47 percent to 43 percent).

    225. Wes says:

      Back to normal = Democratic politicians seeking more power for themselves at the expense of the citizen. The details are inconsequential.

      This comes from the same person who’s spent a decade actively helping Dems win Senate seats.

    226. Wes says:

      Of course had the Tea Party not cost Republicans several winnable Senate seats in 2010, 2012, and 2016, Republicans would have been able to repeal Obamacare. Facts matter, as Tina notes, even when inconvenient.

    227. Robbie says:

      Niels Lesniewski
      @nielslesniewski
      “The only poll that I put stock in is the one that’s going to take place on November 3rd,” says Vice President Pence.

      – Not my favorite thing to hear.

    228. Tina says:

      Asheville approves reparations.

      Great job.

    229. lisab says:

      Not my favorite thing to hear.
      ————————

      not after 2016 certainly

    230. Tina says:

      Yup, facts do matter.

      Not my fault the gop-e did a bait and switched, supported more wars, amnesty, and open borders.

    231. Country Dick Montana says:

      WSJ says that American Airlines to Furlough 30,000.

    232. Tina says:

      Several prominent twitter accounts were hacked,

      Including one running for president who asked is it raining in full sunlight,

    233. Tina says:

      Tomorrow’s stock market is due to be down. 4 days of strong gains.

      Fallacy is speaking.

      We should also allow the Fed chairperson To speak.

    234. lisab says:

      WSJ says that American Airlines to Furlough 30,000.
      ———————————

      well with flying becoming illegal … it seems like a good idea

    235. Tina says:

      The jebots are mad about oh Dewine. They wanted another shutdown.

      See the game.

      Force another round of lockdowns and keep,all schools closed,

      No debates and no rallies.

    236. Country Dick Montana says:

      https://triblive.com/local/regional/man-charged-with-pittsburgh-vandalism-now-charged-with-encouraging-rioting-in-butler/

      “ordan Erdos, 20, allegedly used social media in the lead up to a May 31 protest to encourage violence, according to Butler City police. Authorities said Erdos posted the time and place of the demonstration and further encouraged: “We loot we rob we set (expletive) on fire we do what we have to to noticed (sic).”

      The May 31 Diamond Park protest started peacefully but ended with eight arrests for aggravated assault, riot, reckless endangerment and disorderly conduct, police said.”

    237. Chicon says:

      The Republicans were becoming Lucy with the football in the Peanuts cartoon. They’ll return to being good little establishment underlings once Trump is gone. Then Wes and Robbie can return to homeostasis (no Robbie, I’m not “accusing” you of being gay).

    238. lisab says:

      cops just announced they will endorse trump

      they endorsed obama both times

      this was just announced

    239. Robbie says:

      Chicon says:
      July 15, 2020 at 6:37 pm
      The Republicans were becoming Lucy with the football in the Peanuts cartoon. They’ll return to being good little establishment underlings once Trump is gone. Then Wes and Robbie can return to homeostasis (no Robbie, I’m not “accusing” you of being gay).

      – Good little establishment underlings were the majority party in the House for 20 of 24 years starting in 1994 and lasting until 2018. Good little establishment underlings won wave elections in 1994, 2010, and 2014. It was only when the party embraced the populism of Trump that is suddenly lost voters it had had for several decades.

    240. NYCmike says:

      https://www.npr.org/2017/09/20/552418263/sen-rand-paul-says-he-wont-vote-for-latest-affordable-care-act-replacement-bill

      “PAUL: Well, the thing is – is that I’m not for Obamacare. They basically immortalize Obamacare. They just do a little bit less spending than is in the current form of Obamacare, and they redistribute the proceeds of Obamacare spending to Republican states.”

      -I needed to refresh my memory about Rand Paul in 2017….found this.

      That bill did not get rid of Obamacare.

      Oddly enough, I agree with him now, and I agreed with him then…….AND, he offered up bills to replace Obamacare…..which are more free-market than anything out there, as far as I can see.

      For some reason, Paul Ryan and the House, or maybe it was the rest of the majority Senate, wouldn’t go for it.

      The whole of Obamacare should have been repealed as soon as possible in 2017. The Congress needed to be bold, like Scott Walker in Wisconsin. Instead they acted like Corbett in PA, who we all know was replaced after 1 term.

    241. mnw says:

      A few points about the McCloskeys in STL.

      1) First, how could Trump “intervene,” as Gov Parsons claimed Trump might do? Parsons, however, could pardon or commute, IF the Soros prosecutor (Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner) got a conviction… which she absolutely will not be able to do. She already loses 75% of all criminal cases that go to a jury trial. Turnover in her “office” is 100% per year. Average on-the-job experience of her newbie “team” of prosecutors is 6 months or so… and these kiddies are trying murder cases and Class A sex offenses.

      2) The McCloskeys are limousine liberals– their pictures are in the dictionary next to “liberal, limousine. See also White guilt.” Personally? I think Gardner and the McCloskeys ought to get married & form a throuple family, a la former Rep. Katie Hill (CA-25; Ret.)

      3) The only real world consequence of Gardner’s latest prosecutorial fiasco* is that it will hasten the White flight from the City of St. Louis– to the extent there are still any left who haven’t already fled.

      4) Gardner has a legitimate DEM primary opponent named Mary Pat Carl, a respected & fair-minded experienced prosecutor. I think Gardner will defeat Karl about 70/30, because STL is way too far gone to ever recover from its liberal/radical vicious tailspin.

      *remember the last time the eyes of the nation focused on Kim Gardner and her fabulous All Star prosecutor team? That would have been her prosecution of former MO Governor Eric Greitens.

    242. NYCmike says:

      “It was only when the party embraced the populism of Trump that is suddenly lost voters it had had for several decades.”

      -Trump comes nowhere near the nomination if the Republican Party had fulfilled its promises.

    243. Chicon says:

      If only they had fulfilled their promises…..there is no chance Trump is more than a TV guy.

      He is the definition of a change agent. The voters – especially the Republican voters – hired a change agent. Change agents happen to upset the apple cart.

    244. Hugh says:

      253. What’s your support for your position? Your opinion is yours now I need your facts.

    245. Country Dick Montana says:

      “It was only when the party embraced the populism of Trump that is suddenly lost voters it had had for several decades.”

      Again the question is, given several alternatives (one of which I supported) in th primaries, why did the GOP chose to “embrace the populism of Trump.”

      That is a legitimate question and one that is being actively avoided, as if he has no answer to it. Or the answer is one that he doesn’t wish to admit.

      There is a substantial number of people in this country who are tired of DC, tired of the elitists and tired of watching the things that were important to them destroyed or belittled. They are tired of being ridiculed and called “deplorable” and “bad people.” That is how populism rises. Trump is a big fat middle finger to DC and its ilk. That is why I warmed up top him.

      I also know the alternative to his opponent winning.

    246. Robbie says:

      Chicon says:
      July 15, 2020 at 7:13 pm
      If only they had fulfilled their promises…..there is no chance Trump is more than a TV guy.

      – Hard to fulfill a lot of campaign promises when the president is from the other party.

    247. Chicon says:

      257 – apparently, the customer wasn’t happy with the way the people they hired handled themselves – they wanted more “fight” than “get along”. You can cry and whine about it for another ten years (and to a certain extent I agree with you), or you can accept the judgment of the masses. I know you’ve chosen to blame the voter and Trump, which is your right. Enjoy your time in the wilderness.

    248. Wes says:

      Hm. Establishment underlings vs. the Chicon/Mikey wing consisting of Christine O’Donnell, Ken Buck, Todd Akin, Dick the Misogynist Bastard Mourdock, and Aaron Day along with their ilk.

      I can tell you which side I’ll pick every day.

    249. Robbie says:

      Airport Webcams
      @AirportWebcams

      BREAKING: American Airlines warns of up to 25,000 employees being furloughed from October 1st, including 2,500 pilots, 10,000 flight attendants and 3,200 mechanics as it says demand for travel is slowing again as #COVID19 cases continue to rise.

      – Strange. I was assured by several in this forum the rising number of cases over the last month would have no impact on people
      s behaviors.

    250. Robbie says:

      Wes

      Give me your outlook with 3.5 months to go.

      Mine won’t surprise you.

    251. Chicon says:

      Another sophomoric response by Wes. Not sure what happened to you; you used to be a knowledgeable, reasonable poster that Ilearned from. Now you post nonsensical, off-topic garbage like that.

    252. Wes says:

      Chicon, didn’t Mitch McConnell force Dems to watch helplessly as the GOP Senate refused to consider Obama’s Supreme Court nominee?

      You so-called “conservatives” rewarded him by sending out a loon to split Kelly Ayotte’s vote in New Hampshire and elect a moonbat.

      You might want to engage in a little introspection before casting stones at the wing of the party that actually blocked Obama from completely changing the country.

    253. Wes says:

      You were the one claiming the people who actually won elections so they could put Obama in check were the problem.

      Hey, maybe the wing of the party that embraced unelectable buffoons should shoulder some of the blame.

      Novel idea, I know.

    254. Wes says:

      I still say Biden wins, Robbie. I’m just hoping Republicans will hold the Senate to keep Biden’s Veep from becoming Obama 2.0.

    255. Robbie says:

      Wes says:
      July 15, 2020 at 8:09 pm
      I still say Biden wins, Robbie. I’m just hoping Republicans will hold the Senate to keep Biden’s Veep from becoming Obama 2.0.

      – I think Biden wins and by a comfortable margin. I have operated under the belief Trump would get at least 45% and I still think that’s likely, but the longer he polls in the upper 30’s and low 40’s the more I have to consider that’s where he’ll end up.

      At the start of the year, I thought Trump would lose by a margin somewhere between Obama’s 2008 and 2012 win. I think the 2008 map is looking more likely today than the 2012 map does.

      The Senate seems more and more likely to turnover, but all it will take not to happen is a better than expected performance by Trump and a good news item like a vaccine approval. It would give Republicans something they none of right now, momentum.

    256. Robbie says:

      And just to make things easier for lisab, who now catalogs all of my comments, what I wrote in 266 is a more of a guesstimate and not a prediction.

    257. Wes says:

      Another thing, Chicon. Your wing of the party wanted Orrin Hatch gone. Talk radio spewed vitriol at Hatch ad nauseum. You got your wish. Hatch is gone. Now Romney–an unprincipled solipsist who voted to remove Trump from office–is in his place.

      Maybe the so-called “conservatives” should use reasoned thought occasionally rather than trying to claim Establishment scalps.

      That would actually require being beholden to principle rather than snake-oil salesmen, bombastic talk radio hosts, and Corey Stewart-style grifters, I know.

    258. Chicon says:

      Wes, do you view Trump as a change agent? Why was he selected as the party’s nominee in 2016?

      You have the same disease as Robbie – blame the customer.

    259. Tina says:

      Cotto/Gottfried
      @CottoGottfried
      The actual national partisan balance is D+4, per the
      @Peoples_Pundit
      Daily National Voter File: https://peoplespunditdaily.com/news/elections/2020/06/16/what-a-national-voter-file-analysis-tells-us-about-party-affiliation/….

      So, NBC/WSJ over-sampled Democrats by 200%. Let that sink in. Not 50%, not 100%, not even 150%, but two hundred-percent.

      Who takes this nonsense seriously?
      Quote Tweet

      M.Joseph Sheppard
      @SHEPMJS
      · 2h
      NBC/WSJ RV

    260. Tina says:

      Steven Herman
      @newsguyusa
      ·
      15m
      A sweeping ban on travel to the US by members of the Chinese Communist Party and their families under consideration by the ?
      @realDonaldTrump
      ? administration, reports
      @NYTimes
      .

    261. Wes says:

      Is Trump a change agent, Chicon?

      He was a man with vacillating political views who carved out a sizeable niche in a divided field.

      He lucked out in facing a corrupt bitch–yes, I used that word–who assumed inevitability and never took his threat seriously.

      As President, because he’s never been able to shed his reality star persona, he’s had as many defeats as victories.

      Whether that’s an agent of change or not, I really don’t know.

      As for blaming the customer, forgive me for not speaking highly of the wing of the party that backed a witch and a guy who literally said God intends rape to trigger pregnancy.

    262. Robbie says:

      Maggie Haberman
      @maggieNYT

      NEWS – Trump shaking up campaign. Bill Stepien to become manager, Parscale to stay on as senior adviser for digital and data, per campaign officials. Story TK.

      – Hmm. I think I called this one back on June 18.

      Here was NYCmike’s response to my prediction:

      NYCmike says:
      June 18, 2020 at 9:11 pm
      “It also doesn’t help Trump’s campaign is being run by Brad Parscale. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a change in the next few weeks.”

      -Where do you dream up this crap?

    263. CountryDickMontana says:

      I don’t know if Trump is a change agent either. The one thing that he has done is laid bare the intractable division as to the vision of what this country is and should be. The only way that divide is eliminated will be the subjugation of one side to the other. No one will be able to bridge that gap.

    264. Chicon says:

      272 – such anger. Hardly the sign of a political analyst. That’s what I was getting at earlier. You’re acting unhinged. Are you George Conway in real life?

      Why was Trump selected as the NOMINEE? Was there anger among the Republican voters that made Trump the nominee? For the record I was a Rubio guy.

    265. lisab says:

      Then Wes and Robbie can return to homeostasis (no Robbie, I’m not “accusing” you of being gay).
      —————————

      lol

    266. Tina says:

      Has somebody else confirmed that, a more reputable reporter?

      I expect another change in September

    267. Tina says:

      I mean didn’t Maggie hack claim that mentally ill died?

      She tweeted it, and then deleted it?

      I even would accept a reporter from Cn and n at this point.

    268. Tgca says:

      Jadon hardest hit!

      “White House Director of the Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy Peter Navarro unleashed an op-ed on Wednesday criticizing Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Dr. Anthony Fauci.”

      “So when you ask me whether I listen to Dr. Fauci’s advice, my answer is: only with skepticism and caution,” Navarro concluded after detailing a list of his concerns with Fauci in an op-ed titled “Anthony Fauci Has Been Wrong About Everything I Have Interacted with Him On” in USA Today.

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/15/peter-navarro-dr-anthony-fauci-was-wrong-during-coronavirus-fight/

    269. lisab says:

      And just to make things easier for lisab, who now catalogs all of my comments, what I wrote in 266 is a more of a guesstimate and not a prediction.
      —————————

      lol … yeah after 2016 i’m guessing you will try to be careful until 9:01 pm est on election night

    270. Tina says:

      That op Ed is brutal.

      Fallacy then whines to the Atlantic.

    271. Hugh says:

      Here are the pollsters at change Research. All you need to know. https://www.changeresearch.com/our-team

    272. Tina says:

      I expect Bannon to return in September to the campaign. (Co-manager).

    273. CountryDickMontana says:

      I believe that Trump backed Fauci and will likely have a talk with Navarro about it.

    274. Tina says:

      Despite the op ed being true, Navarro did not have clearance to write it.

    275. Tina says:

      I think it was a shot at fallacy for being so contradictory on tv appearances and having an inflated ego.

      If you read The article in the Atlantic, fallacy appears to be upset that he does not have one on ones with the president.

      He should know that he is not president of the task force.

    276. Tina says:

      Ok confirmed by trump on his facebook account. I still believe bannon will return.

      https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/07/15/trump-replaces-campaign-manager-brad-parscale-with-bill-stepien/

    277. NYCmike says:

      Good call, Robbie.

      You got it right this time.

      Does that move you from “undecided” to taking a stand one way or the other now?

    278. Cash Cow TM says:

      Ruth Bader Ginsburg musta had her baby…
      She was released from the hospital.

    279. NYCmike says:

      Wes is losing it.

      Tink, put the music on please.

    280. Tina says:

      Stephien has the co manager title.

      He is the 2020 version of manafort (Convention).

      Then shuffle to Bannon or a Bannon type, who will put the Word China, in China Biden.

    281. Brandon says:

      Stepien is a NJ guy. I think he’s a solid choice.

    282. Cash Cow TM says:

      Change agent

      negate Chang
      NEA teach gang
      teach’n an egg
      change a gent
      E hen can’t gag

    283. Tina says:

      Yup, nj guy.

      Wasn’t he fired over bridge gate

    284. Brandon says:

      He took the fall for it, yeah. But he’s a pretty good strategist.

    285. Cash Cow TM says:

      Rumor in the barnyard is that BLM ‘peaceful’ protest got out of hand and they set the 7 Iranian ships on fire in the harbor other there.

    286. NYCmike says:

      Good one, Ca$h!

    287. TgcaTheEXPERT says:

      As an EXPERT in all things except “all things gay” – I leave the latter to lmy good friend LisaB, I concur that Navarro is correct.

      Again, it does not mean that Fauci did not add value or was incorrect on certain things, but it does mean that internally folks in the Trump admin seem to have had their reservations as well on the guidance Fauci was given just like really really smart people like me.

      It’s not about whether Fauci is responsible for economic decisions, it’s about whether his guidance on science was accurate enough for economic experts in the admin to rely on his input to make the correct economic decisions. It’s about input and not the final decision. His input appeared incorrect a number of times.

      Others In the admin now confirm my EXPERT assessment I’ve been making for quite some time.

    288. lisab says:

      TgcaTheEXPERT

      how are you on homeostasis?

      whould you say robbie has homeostatic tendencies?

    289. TgcaTheEXPERT says:

      I know this will be difficult for some folks like my good friend Jadon to understand, just like he can’t understand my complex models because he’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer. So let me dumb it down with a simple example where we demonstrate reliance upon input to generate an output is crucial in the process, otherwise, the output may be flawed. Kinda like junk in, junk out.

      If you have an older home and wish to install a new robust air conditioning system, and your electrician assesses that your 100 amps panel is sufficient to run any new hefty loads, and you contract for the A/C work, and the fuse constantly blows once the A/C is installed, you would argue that you relied on the electrician’s advice to make a significant financial decision even though the electrician is not responsible for that financial decision.

      If you later realize you needed 200 amps, why would you say that reliance on the electrician does not matter simply because he did not make the financial decision to purchase the A/C?

      Again, it’s the junk in, junk out concept.

    290. John says:

      Quinnipiac poll released…Biden +15, 52-37.
      This is where I draw the line between fake, bogus push polls and reality.

    291. Pole Harris says:

      My children,
      I hereby declare that all of the polls posted in this thread are COMPLETELY WRONG! IGNORE them!

      I shall fisk them soon.

      -Pole Harris

    292. John says:

      Quinnipiac….please. Your are embarrassing themselves with this.

    293. Robbie says:

      NYCmike says:
      July 15, 2020 at 9:03 pm
      Good call, Robbie.

      You got it right this time.

      Does that move you from “undecided” to taking a stand one way or the other now?

      – I’ll say this. I think Stepien knows what he’s doing and that was something I never thought about Parscale.

      The problem is Stepien faces the same problem every campaign manager for Trump has faced. Trump.

      A competently run campaign can only do so much if the candidate doesn’t want to follow the script or stay on message.

    294. TgcaTheEXPERT says:

      300. LisaB

      I’m surprised you would ask me about homos, as I always defer to you on all things gay.

      I’m not sure I know enough about Robbie’s personal life to comment further on his homosexuality, as you noted in 300. I consider Robbie my HHR friend too and don’t want to assume and offend.

      I do think it’s a bit unusual that a dust cropper pilot would be a homosexual though. It’s just not something you normally see.

      Now if he were a lawyer with a vast sweater collection who frequented flower shows, then that would not be unusual for a homosexual.

    295. lisab says:

      I’m not sure I know enough about Robbie’s personal life to comment further on his homosexuality
      ——————————-

      i won’t comment on his homosexuality either

      i was asking about his homeostatic nature

    296. John says:

      If Trump is behind by a point or two then it may be time to tweak a change or two…if Trump is behind by five points then it is time to make a couple of changes…it Trump is behind by ten points then hell yes changes are coming…but if Trump is behind by 15 points or more than either HELL is coming or your frickin’ job is over.
      Frickin’ stop lame ass…. for this. Either get your asses going or drop out.

    297. Hugh says:

      I believe Trump is down by a few points. If the vote was on what an honest poll would show he would lose closely. However people when asked today do not have to face the hard reality that they will face in November when they have to actually vote. And they may not like Trump at all but it’s going to be about two different America’s the one playing out in the streets and watching your 401k plan crash or the America most of us love. You don’t get rid of trump and not face the ugly mob who hates America. So under the gun I think most Americans will vote for the narcissistic impulsive jerk versus the imbecile tool of the far left. We will see

    298. Robbie says:

      John says:
      July 15, 2020 at 10:02 pm
      If Trump is behind by a point or two then it may be time to tweak a change or two…if Trump is behind by five points then it is time to make a couple of changes…it Trump is behind by ten points then hell yes changes are coming…but if Trump is behind by 15 points or more than either HELL is coming or your frickin’ job is over.
      Frickin’ stop lame ass…. for this. Either get your asses going or drop out.

      – I don’t think Trump believes his situation is as bad as it really is.

    299. Hugh says:

      Either party could run a demented pedophile and not lose by 15. That will be proven out soon.

    300. NYCmike says:

      “– I don’t think Trump believes his situation is as bad as it really is.”

      -Or, like in 2016, his belief in himself, the message he speaks about, and the people around him is more attuned to the national mood than your Debbie-downer outlook.

      We shall see in several months who is correct.

      Afterwards, Trump will still be an arrogant but optimistic person, and you will languish in your own gleeful “undecided” of not supporting either your former Governor nor your former President, and the reward for that will be to get it GOOD AND HARD!

    301. John says:

      No. Here I am. Trump – you’re fickin’ blowin’ it. I don’t know what your internals say but you are frickin’ blownin’ it…with all apologies to Angeleo Dundee to Sugar Ray Leonard in his bout with Thomas Hearns.
      Trump down by a couple….a comeback possibly.
      Trump down by double digits….what the hell happened?
      Trump down by 15 points…..dude, you just sold out. Either reboot or drop out. Too many decent Americans are pinning their hope on you.
      Time man up or get the hell out.
      (and I hope Trump man’s up)

    302. Tina says:

      Ian Miller
      @ianmSC
      ·
      4h
      The 7-day average of tests reported by the a COVID Tracking Project is up to 731,376.

      There are only 41 countries that have done that many tests TOTAL.

      The total from the past 7 days in the US is more than Brazil has done cumulatively.

    303. Tina says:

      K[Ash] Flag of CanadaFlag of United StatesFlag of Israel
      @finwiz416
      ·
      21m
      OK, all you LG haters…

      Right-pointing triangleHe has already done 6 interviews (?)
      Right-pointing triangleHe is calling McCabe and Comey in September
      Right-pointing triangleMore interviews before the break in 3 weeks.
      Right-pointing triangleNEW explosive document coming that PROVES a felony!
      Right-pointing triangleSteele’s Sub source was an EMPLOYEE and RUSSIAN

    304. VictrC says:

      810,000 tests today.

      could we break 6,000,000 in a week?

      Muh Tests… its out of control!!!

      It’s sad to see that its en vogue for the left/Never Trumpers to openly Hate America

    305. Chester says:

      Qinn? FLUSH

      Just reminder: Quinn poll August 1, 2016
      Clinton 48
      Trump 34

      These are agenda polls. They want to depress us. The only way President Trump loses is if we get depressed and stay home. Everyone one of us needs to fight the good fight and vote for President Trump. Drag your friends and family to the voting booth and Keep America Great #KAG2020

    306. jason says:

      July 8 deaths 890
      July 7 cases 61848

      July 14 deaths 937
      July 14 cases 71670

      IHME

      Projected Actual
      July 1 640 676 +26
      July 2 642 687 +45
      July 3 644 616 -28
      July 4 646 254 -392
      July 5 648 251 -397
      July 6 648 378 -270
      July 7 653 994 +341
      July 8 653 890 +237
      July 9 653 960 +307
      July10 672 849 +177
      July11 681 733 +52
      July12 685 380 -305
      July13 689 465 -224
      July14 692 937 +245
      July15 777 997 +220

    307. jason says:

      Whoops

      July 8 deaths 890
      July 8 cases 61848

      July 15 deaths 937
      July 15 cases 71670

      IHME

      Projected Actual
      July 1 640 676 +26
      July 2 642 687 +45
      July 3 644 616 -28
      July 4 646 254 -392
      July 5 648 251 -397
      July 6 648 378 -270
      July 7 653 994 +341
      July 8 653 890 +237
      July 9 653 960 +307
      July10 672 849 +177
      July11 681 733 +52
      July12 685 380 -305
      July13 689 465 -224
      July14 692 937 +245
      July15 777 997 +220

    308. jason says:

      Jadon hardest hit!

      “White House Director of the Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy Peter Navarro unleashed an op-ed on Wednesday criticizing Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Dr. Anthony Fauci.”

      LOL

      Remember, I have called Navarro a moron and an AFL-CIO stooge here for years.

      I doubt I could be hardest hit by anything he says,.

    309. Tina says:

      The State of Texas today had to remove 3,484 cases from its Covid-19 positive case count, because the San Antonio Health Department was reporting “probable” cases for people never actually tested, as “confirmed” positive cases.- TDHS
      What other departments make this same mistake?

      https://www.statesman.com/news/20200715/texas-coronavirus-deaths-hit-triple-digits-as-cases-rise

    310. MichiganGuy says:

      Ok, Hell has officially froze over. I never thought I would give Jake Tapper praise but, I tip my hat to him. He slammed Gov. Cuomo for his Coronavirus response.
      .
      https://twitter.com/NewsPolitics/status/1283135037618225153?s=19
      .
      Wow

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    314. dblaikie says:

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    316. jason says:

      dlaikie is an observant cuss…

    317. jason says:

      Give the Robbie his due: push for a challenge trial.”

      Afraid you have Robbie confused with someone who wants a challenge trial or a vaccine to happen.

      His only interest is to set artificial and arbitrary benchmarks so he can later spell doom for Trump because they weren’t met.

      You can bet Robbie would be profoundly disappointed if a vaccine actually happened, because he thinks it would be good for Trump.

    318. PresidentPaul! says:

      I looked at election projection this morning.

      They have 6 dem senate pick ups and 1 GOP so +5.

    319. Country Dick Montana says:

      Gardner and McSally are gone. Collins is likely gone since her opponent has a huge amount of $$$. Her vote for Kavanaugh probably did her in with the people of Portland.

      Jones is gone in Alabama.

      Who are the other 3 GOP Senators that they are expecting to lose?

    320. jason says:

      I will be one of the millions…let the moonbats boycott Goya… I won’t be contributing to the NFL..

      “Perhaps an NFL compromise could ensure that 30 percent of coaches and owners are nonwhite, thus reflecting current U.S. demography. But then, in reciprocity, the players would match such mandatory demographic diversity — leading to Native Americans, Latinos, Asians, whites and those of mixed ancestry accounting for 87 percent of the player population. The NBA might also take note.

      This progressive model of proportional representation could also apply to overrepresented white athletes in hockey, tennis, golf and swimming — sports faulted by identity politics groups as being unfairly overrepresented by whites.

      Obviously, such racial gerrymandering will not happen because fans value meritocracy over ethnic affiliations.

      Or at least they did.

      If the multibillion-dollar NFL decides that multimillionaire players have no obligation to stand to honor a collective national anthem, and that there will be separate anthems and politicized uniforms, then millions of Americans will quietly shrug and change the channel.

      And that silent protest will make the 2016-17 anthem protest look like child’s play.”

    321. jason says:

      I wouldn’t give up on Collins just this yet.

    322. DW says:

      Another day, another pile of forthcoming agenda polls. Just don’t forget that Sessions was wiped out by REAL votes and they weren’t reweighted

    323. Country Dick Montana says:

      Collins has been the perfect GOP senator for Maine. Unfortunately she is between the hardliners on the right and the moonbats on the left. There is no middle anymore, and I am afraid that is where she is.

      Its funny for having the most to lose she has been a lot better senator than Murkowski when it counted.

      BTW, if the Dems get the senate, I expect Murkowski to either become an Independent or even join with them, despite Alaska’s dependence on fossil fuels.

    324. jason says:

      What the election is REALLY about.

      “On Oct. 23, 2019 Biden said:“So every single solitary person, their capital gains are going to be treated like real income and they are going to pay 40 percent on their capital gains tax.”

      On Sept. 27, 2019 Biden said: “I’m gonna double the capital gains rate to 40 percent.”

      On Oct. 15, 2020 Biden said: “I would raise the capital gains tax to the highest rate of 39.5 percent, I would double it.”

      On Aug. 21, 2019 Biden said: “The capital gains tax should be at what the highest minimum tax should be, we should raise the tax back to 39.6 percent instead of 20 percent.”

      On Dec. 9, 2019 Biden said the capital gains tax rate “could go higher” than 40%.”

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    326. Hugh says:

      I think Collins will win relatively comfortably. The current political environment in a weird way favors her. For moderates on both sides she has an easy choice. Yes the moon bats without against her. But she will not lose Republican votes. If you’re a lien Democrat Independent in our afraid with the direction democratic party is going she’s a buffer against that.

    327. Gordon Allen says:

      I wouldn’t give up on either Gardner,McSally or Michigan. The Democratic agenda is almost totally out of sync with the majority of the public, even by the ” Polls”, and 1 they don’t know that yet,and 2 Democrats and Democrat leaning voters are being Obviously overpolled. I still think the significance of the amazingly low response rate to polling (1%??) is being unappreciated; vast segments of the voting public have tuned out pollsters,and I am as certain as I can be that shy Republicans are disproportionately represented in those tuning them out.

    328. Tina says:

      Fairly good economic data today

      Jobless claims dropped by 10000 (this was a miss)

      Continuing claims plunged however, from 19 million to 17 million. This is the better number to look at imo.

      Retail sales beat expectations. The number was an increase of over 7 .5 percent versus an expected number of 5 percent.

    329. dblaikie says:

      The most interesting thing about the NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll is the divergence between the Presidential Race and the Generic Con. ballot. There is 7 points difference. Go figure. Well, folks, I believe in this narrative driven poll we have actually been given data and evidence that means something. It shows that there is really a “shy” Trump vote. There is no way that 7% who will vote GOP in the congressional race are going to vote for Biden. If ever an election has been nationalized it is this one.

    330. Tina says:

      The drop in continuing claims was over 433000.

      Overall more green shoots. To quote Kudlow.

    331. dblaikie says:

      With the media spin you would think that the GOP has the uphill climb in Senate races. Yet it seems to me the GOP already has a flip. There is no way Jones is going to beat Tuberville. Four seats is an uphill climb!

    332. dblaikie says:

      By the way, RCP now has the Senate race as a tossup. Another data point against the narrative.

    333. dblaikie says:

      Senate race in Michigan.

    334. Country Dick Montana says:

      “I wouldn’t give up on either Gardner,McSally or Michigan.”

      McSally is running against Mr. Gabby Giffords. Compelling story, astronaut, sensitive and he stands by his wife who was ruthlessly shot and disabled (By a leftist loon, but let’s not let that get in the way of a good story.)

      Colorado is nothing but youth and a bunch of old stoners. Denver pretty much controls the entire state, to the point that some of the counties in the northwestern part of Colorado have made (unserious) noises about leaving. You probably won’t see a the GOP have any statewide office there for a while, unless they have a very Libertarian mindset.

      Not as familiar with Michigan.

    335. Gordon Allen says:

      Dblaikie. The 7 point differential in NBC/ WSJ poll you identify as a shy Trump vote would put Biden ahead by 4 actually, which would be reasonable and matches my own guess as to where the race really stands. BUT it would be from a D+12 sample??!?. Holy Cow. Even optimistic me can barely believe that!! These polls are TOTALLY screwed up.

    336. UgandanAttorney says:

      The issue with conservatives and Orrin Hatch is a little more complicated than how it’s characterized by a certain blogger.

      Trump like Hatch because Hatch was loyal to Trump. Trump was the one who was trying to convince Hatch to run again to block Romney. Hatch pretty much morphed into one of the Trump’s strongest defenders after Trump won the presidency.

      So it’s true that conservatives may have at one point before Trump’s victory had a problem with Hatch. But those concerns disappeared once Trump won. And Trump was the one pushing Hatch to run again.

      This article from CNN discusses the efforts that Trump undertook to convince Hatch to run again.
      https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/02/politics/orrin-hatch-donald-trump-analysis/index.html

    337. Chicon says:

      Well, another federal inmate has assumed room temperature.

    338. dblaikie says:

      George, I agree. Before the advent of the riots, Blm, and pressure to be woke, I believed that the “shy” Trump vote was about 2 points. But now I have come to believe it is much deeper than that.

    339. Robbie says:

      Pitchaboy says:
      July 16, 2020 at 6:29 am
      https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/16/scientists-call-for-volunteers-to-be-infected-with-the-coronavirus-to-test-vaccines.html

      Give the Robbie his due: push for a challenge trial.

      – They should have already conducted them, but I doubt they ever will. I read a story about a month ago it would take up to four months for challenge trials to begin if they green lighted them today. Why? Because the scientists would need to develop a coronavirus stain suitable to administer to the applicants and a protocol to deal with patients if the vaccines don’t work.

      The problem with the FDA is it’s simply not set up to handle an acute crisis like this one. Also, the leadership is too cautious. I understand that in normal times, but we don’t live in normal times.

      The economy is already showing signs or slowing or stalling again. There are increasing announcements of new layoffs coming in the near future as well. The economy can’t limp along like this for another 6 or 7 or 8 months without doing severe long term damage. And let’s not forget the emotional psychological toll this is taking on us or how it is wrecking the educational growth of students.

      You can’t pause human existence for nearly a year and not expect serious societal and cultural damage. We got a glimpse of that with the race riots.

    340. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 16, 2020 at 8:17 am
      Give the Robbie his due: push for a challenge trial.”

      Afraid you have Robbie confused with someone who wants a challenge trial or a vaccine to happen.

      His only interest is to set artificial and arbitrary benchmarks so he can later spell doom for Trump because they weren’t met.

      You can bet Robbie would be profoundly disappointed if a vaccine actually happened, because he thinks it would be good for Trump.

      – You need to seek professional help.

      No one in this forum has argued more aggressively than I have that the quickest way out of this mess is a vaccine that allows every aspect of normal human existence to resume.

      Also, no one has argued more in this forum that the FDA needs to adopt challenge trials to speed up the development of a vaccine. They should have done them in late May and early June after they saw the great phase 1 data out of Moderna and Oxford.

      But you do you.

    341. Stonewall DW says:

      New Round of Purple State Initiative Polls:

      July 13-15, 2020 – 800 LVs per state.

      Florida:

      Trump 47%
      Biden 45%

      North Carolina:

      Trump 47%
      Biden 43%

      Virginia:

      Trump 44%
      Biden 48%

      Colorado:

      Trump 41%
      Biden 45%

      Nevada:

      Trump 44%
      Biden 46%

      Minnesota:

      Trump 43%
      Biden 47%

      Pennsylvania:

      Trump 47%
      Biden 46%

      Wisconsin:

      Trump 44%
      Biden 44%

      Michigan:

      Trump 45%
      Biden 46%

      New Hampshire:

      Trump 47%
      Biden 43%

      Paladin Polling – Purple State Initiative

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    343. Phil says:

      Well, at least Trump is still doing well in DW’s made up polls.

      I guess that’s something.

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    345. Robbie says:

      A tale of two pictures yesterday.

      In the first, Mike Pence chaired a meeting of the coronavirus task force and received an update on vaccine and therapeutic developments.

      At the very same time the coronavirus task force was meeting, Trump was pictured in the Oval Office giving two thumbs up to cans of Goya beans.

      There’s a reason the polls stink right now.

    346. Country Dick Montana says:

      So what you are saying is that the President shouldn’t stand up to the cancel culture and for free speech?

    347. dblaikie says:

      But Robbie I don’t believe the polls stink. But in your own negative depressing way you forgot a third thing which trumps the other two. The Police Unions gave there strongly worded endorsement to Trump. Obama always got that before. Uncle Joe, I believe wanted that endorsement badly. At least he wanted the unions to stay neutral. Robbie there is now absolutely no doubt who Is the true law and order candidate and party. Frankly I am surprised that isn’t bigger news here. Oh I know folks would rather ring there hands by polls produced by people who hate Trump.

    348. dblaikie says:

      I hate bad grammar! Folks would rather wring their hands …

    349. Victrc says:

      The President giving two thumbs up in the Oval Office holding a can of Goya beans is symbolic of why Americans elected him.

      First off, the President doesnt need to be in the meeting of the task force if the person he chose to run it is there. A CEO knows how to delegate appropriate tasks to the appropriate people, and CEO’s that fail try to do everything.

      With regards to Goya, what Trump is doing there is standing up for something extremely important. The left chose to boycott Goya not because they did something wrong. They did not unjustly discriminate, they did not cut corners and sell bad products, they did not commit fraud or cheat their investors.

      The sin they committed, in the eyes of the left, was compliment what the left perceives as the opposition. That is now all it takes to have your business, one that employees 4,000 people, one that serves the largest minority community in America, one that started after fleeing a socialist dictatorship and epitomizes the American dream. All you have to do is voice your approval of the “opposition” and your business, livelihood, and the jobs of thousands are now target.

      So Trump is standing up for Americans who might be targeted just because they don’t agree with the agenda the Left is putting out, and that’s PRETTY DARN IMPORTANT.

    350. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Fortunately on election night on June 23rd in the NYS CD-27 Special, Republican Chris Jacobs had a 32,000 vote lead and was in front by about 40%.
      Weeks later his lead had shrunk to about 8,000 votes and 5% due to the tabulation of mail-in votes. For finalization,the remaining votes to count total in the few hundreds.

      So Jacobs had enough votes on election day to surpass the Democrat’s margin of fraud, but it was close.

      Now you see why in November, the Democrats want a robust mail-in ballot program.

    351. Country Dick Montana says:

      “one that employees 4,000 people”

      And I might imagine that a very high percentage of those 4000 are minorities.

      At some point, minorities are going to realize that their enemy is the woke, liberal whites.

    352. Stonewall DW says:

      And dems will make a huge push to allow late ballots. After all, its hard for the poor to vote, how can the rich disenfranchise them just because they put the ballot in the mail a few days late?

    353. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      July 16, 2020 at 10:17 am
      So what you are saying is that the President shouldn’t stand up to the cancel culture and for free speech?

      – What’s more important right now? The coronavirus and its impact on health and the economy or whether or not people want to buy beans from Goya.

      If you don’t want to choose between one or the other, here’s a novel concept. The president can do both.

      Coronavirus affects every single person in the country in one way or another. Whether people buy beans from Goya is a segment on Tucker’s show or Hannity’s show.

      I’m sorry, but if Trump wants a second term, then he ought to act like he wants one.

    354. Country Dick Montana says:

      I think that you are missing the point and perhaps Victrc was more elegant in his explanation. I don’t care about Goya itself, although our family has long purchased the products.

      I want a President who will defend our freedoms including the those outlined in the 1A and 2A. Goya is a very simple tool for outlining it and showing the differences between two visions of America. And I believe that more people than not see it that way as the left seems to have backed off.

      Without being insulting, maybe you get too much into the weeds of politics, a lot deeper than most. Most voters are pretty simple in their desires, and I think that is primarily to be left alone by the government (or at least have ag overnment that controls those with whom they disagree.)

    355. Tina says:

      Only the same never trumpets and confederate cooler and cheeseburger club care about Goya, for the wrong reasons.

      They want to boycott it and ruin a good American company.

      They don’t care.

      Selfish idiots.

    356. Country Dick Montana says:

      “That government is best which governs least;” and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which I also believe,—”That government is best which governs not at all;” and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have. Government is at best but an expedient; but most governments are usually, and all governments are sometimes, inexpedient.

      —?Thoreau, Civil Disobedience

    357. Nat says:

      I’m confused. Is Paladin holding purple state initiative a real polling company? I only see and here. Can’t find it anywhere else. The poll numbers seem reasonable.

    358. Robbie says:

      Nat says:
      July 16, 2020 at 11:19 am
      I’m confused. Is Paladin holding purple state initiative a real polling company? I only see and here. Can’t find it anywhere else. The poll numbers seem reasonable.

      – They’re made up numbers.

    359. Poul Harris says:

      They look real from 30000 feet.

      GFYs.

      – Poul Harris

    360. jason says:

      They’re made up numbers”

      No, they are not.

      They are absolutely correct according to the pollsters methodology.

    361. Chicon says:

      376 – made up numbers, like the MSM polls. And probably more accurate.

    362. jason says:

      What’s more important right now? The coronavirus and its impact on health and the economy or whether or not people want to buy beans from Goya.”

      Actually, the election is going to be more about if people want to accept that a CEO can’t say thank you Mr. President if the President is a Republican than about the Coronavirus.

      Not this specific issue of course, but the entire where do we want to go as a society.

      So Trump is right to call attention to it.

    363. jason says:

      “So Trump is standing up for Americans who might be targeted just because they don’t agree with the agenda the Left is putting out, and that’s PRETTY DARN IMPORTANT.”

      Just saw this, Vic said it better than I did.

      Exactly.

    364. VictrC says:

      BTW, an observation that I am sure almost everyone here on this page has come to realize, but I thought I would put it out there.

      The reason why Never Trumpers and Jebbots want Trump to lose so badly is they think that they will regain power when he is vanquished. They somehow believe that the Republican Party will once again be milquetoast and cower when attacked by the Press and Liberals, and the Jebbots and Rubins, and Kristols of th eWorld will once again gain power, It’s all about Power, nothing more, nothing less.

      They don’t particular care about Conservative philosophies, or governing that way, they just want to regain their position of power, so they can charge their fees, take their positions again and allow the country to move further left, as long as they are the soft opposition.

    365. Chicon says:

      372 – you have a better chance of helping Bitter believe in redemption (near zero) than have Robbie step 1/2 inch off the MSM reservation. It just won’t happen. He’s a parrot.

    366. Chicon says:

      Vic – exactly right. I’ll add this – don’t forget their social standing in Washington. The Robbie’s of the world are more interested in being liked than in winning.

    367. Robbie says:

      Chicon says:
      July 16, 2020 at 11:25 am
      376 – made up numbers, like the MSM polls. And probably more accurate.

      – If Trump was leading, no one in this forum would claim the numbers are made up.

    368. Chicon says:

      The MSM polls would not tell you that Trump is leading. And if they did, you wouldn’t be here.

    369. Tina says:

      Looks like Bar Stool is going after China hard this am.

      I think China will be a big issue in the campaign along with the economy.

    370. Stonewall DW says:

      Paladin Polling is a real deal. The company started in the wake of the demise of Research2000 and another polling firm who were caught making up numbers.

      The other pollsters out there today largely make up numbers when they decide that only 25% of the electorate will identify as GOP, when the number was much higher in actual elections prior.

      The Paladin polls are every bit as much credible as the current crop of pollsters out there, just with a different data collection and sampling methodology.

    371. Tina says:

      National association of police organization endorses trump.

      They endorsed Biden Obama’ in 2008/2012.

      China said he wanted defunding.

    372. Chicon says:

      DW, as I was reading your earlier post with the polls, I was thinking these sound pretty reasonable, who is the poster!

    373. Country Dick Montana says:

      With regard to the polls I think that we all agree that he is down. I am even prepared to say that he will lose the popular vote.

      The RCP averages keep being repeated here. A couple of things just look weird:

      Biden is ahead in all, but his margin ranges from 3 to 15.

      The number of “undecideds” range from 8 to 18.

      All of the polls claim to have a MOE of around 3%

      If they all have the same margin of error, why the disparity in results? can someone explain that too me from a statistics standpoint.

    374. NYCmike says:

      “So Trump is standing up for Americans who might be targeted just because they don’t agree with the agenda the Left is putting out, and that’s PRETTY DARN IMPORTANT.”

      -JEB!2016 says “Please clap!”.

    375. Country Dick Montana says:

      https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/07/pa-general-assembly-sends-667-million-natural-gas-tax-credit-legislation-to-governor.html

      PA Governor Wolf FINALLY realizes that natural gas production and the businesses that use natural gas are good for the PA economy.

    376. NYCmike says:

      Stonewall,

      I think Paladin has taken an integrity hit because of its past association with MD, King (Queen?) of the #NeverTrumpers.

    377. jason says:

      Not really. That is not his core conviction.

    378. jason says:

      I think Paladin has taken an integrity hit because of its past association with MD, King (Queen?) of the #NeverTrumpers.”

      Shameful guilt by association attack.

    379. jason says:

      The MSM polls would not tell you that Trump is leading. And if they did, you wouldn’t be here.”

      Dang, that was direct hit…zinnnnnnggggg.

    380. NYCmike says:

      What sounds better – Vinyl?

      or

    381. NYCmike says:

      A-Holed!

    382. Stonewall DW says:

      MD (michael deflavia) has long since parted ways with Paladin Polling. He was never the same after election night 2016. Sad.

    383. Stonewall DW says:

      YouGov Trump approval improved 5 points in one day.

    384. jason says:

      ou have a better chance of helping Bitter believe in redemption (near zero) than have Robbie step 1/2 inch off the MSM reservation. It just won’t happen. He’s a parrot.”

      Yeah, but he is good at parroting, you have to admit it.

      He is VERY careful to make sure he reflects their views and their message exactly as stated.

      That takes devotion and care to detail.

      Look, when someone deserves credit, I give it.

      No, no need to thank me.

    385. Pole Harris says:

      My devoted followers,
      I FULLY APPROVE the Purple State Initiative Polls. It is an A+ polling outfit. Please IGNORE all polls except for Purple State Initiative Polls.

      -Pole Harris

    386. jason says:

      They’re made up numbers”

      You must admire the chutzpah, considering Robbie has been addicted to made up numbers for years.

    387. Poul Harris says:

      Hey Pole, I am the real Poul Harris.

      Find another handle to steal.

      GFY.

      – Poul Harris

    388. Tina says:

      Breaking

      This number is 72 well above 50. 6 points shy of 78 recorded in 1998. And another green shoot.

      Builders/Wells Fargo Housing Market Index, a monthly indicator based on a survey of home builders about their perceptions of current and future home sales, jumped to 72 in July from 58 in June. The indicatorhas been climbing upwards since its historic plunge in April, which represented the biggest month-over-month percentage drop in builder confidence in the history of the survey.

      https://www.marketwatch.com/articles/home-builder-confidence-rebounds-to-prepandemic-levels-51594917883?mod=mw_latestnews

    389. jason says:

      The economy is already showing signs or slowing or stalling again.”‘

      So Robbie parrots the MSM narrative geared to provoke more shutdowns and hurt the economy 24/7 but then whines the economy might slow down.

      The hypocrisy is astounding.

    390. Robbie says:

      NYCmike says:
      July 16, 2020 at 12:18 pm
      “So Trump is standing up for Americans who might be targeted just because they don’t agree with the agenda the Left is putting out, and that’s PRETTY DARN IMPORTANT.”

      -JEB!2016 says “Please clap!”.

      – Yeah, Goya is every bit as important as coronavirus. Good luck with that when this strategy gives us Majority Leader Schumer. At least you’ll be able to resume railing against McConnell and calling for Ted Cruz to be the party’s leader in the Senate.

    391. Tina says:

      There is no evidence that the economy is stalling again.

      Retail sales beat expectations today at over 7% and the May number was revised upward to over 18%.

      Also the home sales are exploding.

      And do ruining claims plunged last week.

    392. Tina says:

      And this is just today’s numbers.

      But let’s waste time boycotting Goya and defunding the police.

    393. jason says:

      Yeah, Goya is every bit as important as coronavirus.”

      Zzzzzz…. Goya is the symbol of something a lot bigger.

      If you were really a conservative, you would care about “Goya”.

      But since you are just a lying fraud, you are ok with this kind of attack on freedom of expression.

    394. jason says:

      AZ now 15 days in a row below the peak.

      Maybe Robbie will have to drop the MSM narrative there and concentrate on FL and TX.

      Of course, once they are done, goalposts will move.

    395. NYCmike says:

      Robbie is morphing into Wes, but without the multiple licenses/credentials, and without the multiple partner dalliance stories.

      Or is Wes morphing into Robbie…?

    396. NYCmike says:

      I am going to take a wild guess…..by the time Labor Day rolls around, Texas, Florida and AZ will have any issues under control, so much that the MSM and Robbie will have to move on to something else.

      My fervent hope is that the murder hornets get stopped in Chicago, as they may have found their original hive.

    397. jason says:

      Of course, it is easy to see why Robbie could care less about freedom of expression.

      He has been careful to toe the MSM line for years, so he know he is covered.

      He will fit right in with the group think crowd.

    398. jason says:

      y the time Labor Day rolls around, Texas, Florida and AZ will have any issues under control, so much that the MSM and Robbie will have to move on to something else.”

      They will settle on something, no doubt.

      And it will be very IMPORTANT.

    399. Tina says:

      Notice how the Jebot ignores CA.

      Jebot is prolly pallying around with Governor Nuissance,

    400. Tina says:

      Jebots will have to go with other round of rioting and defunding police in September.

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      Broadcast ratings for nearly all of NPR’s radio shows took a steep dive in major markets this spring, as the coronavirus pandemic kept many Americans from commuting to work and school. The network’s shows lost roughly a quarter of their audience between the second quarter of 2019 and the same months in 2020.”

      I am still listening!

    403. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 16, 2020 at 12:50 pm
      The economy is already showing signs or slowing or stalling again.”‘

      So Robbie parrots the MSM narrative geared to provoke more shutdowns and hurt the economy 24/7 but then whines the economy might slow down.

      – In mid June, you assured me the rising number of coronavirus cases was just a function of more testing.

      When you could no longer deny the number of cases was increasing, you assured me no one cares about the number of new cases each day.

      You also assured me the rising number of new cases would have no impact on future behavior by the public. Then American, Delta, and United all announced demand for future flights was slowing again due to the increase in new cases.

      In 2008, you assured me McCain was fine and the polls were all wrong. You told me falling gas prices would help McCain win even though it was sign of global economic contraction.

      In 2012, you assured me the polls were wrong and that they weren’t counting enough Republicans. Unskew, you told me. You said Romney was running one of the best campaigns ever by a Republican. I said he was running an uninspired campaign and his default strategy wouldn’t work.

      In 2017 and 2018, you told me Trump’s political standing was just fine and Republicans were doing just fine in the suburbs as well. You told me his JA rating and the generic ballot didn’t matter because they didn’t account for shy Trump voters. When I said in July 2017 Republicans could potentially lose up to 40 House seats, you said I was a wrong. How many did they lose?

      In each of these instances, you told me I was parroting the MSM. Yet in every instance, you were wrong.

    404. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 16, 2020 at 1:00 pm
      Of course, it is easy to see why Robbie could care less about freedom of expression.

      He has been careful to toe the MSM line for years, so he know he is covered.

      He will fit right in with the group think crowd.

      – There’s only one issue that matters in this election and it’s the coronavirus. If the outbreak had been handled well, Trump would be cruising to re-election. So far, the country’s handling of the outbreak has been a calamity. It’s not all Trump’s fault, but he’s the incumbent and the incumbent gets the blame when things go poorly.

      Distracting people who are worried about coronavirus, who are out of work because of coronavirus, who’ve lost their home because of coronavirus, or who have seen their life’s saving depleted because of coronavirus won’t work.

      Making Goya an issue might appeal to Trump’s base, but they were with him from the start and they’ll be with him until the end. Highlighting Goya products rather than attending a coronavirus task force meeting as cases in Southern states continue to rise is precisely why Trump’s never been able to achieve a job approval rating close to 50% despite a 50 year low in unemployment.

    405. hugh says:

      392. I am no statistician but I did get an A in 1975 in statistics at Notre Dame. And yes I was at the Rudy game. I believe the MOE relates to the results being off based on the sample group chosen to be polled. If the sample you think you should poll gets you to Biden plus 3 for those demographics then your MOE might be between tied to biden plus 6. Say I do a poll and I have a different set of assumptions on the demographics that I choose for my sample population and I get Biden plus 9. My MOE might range from Biden plus 6 to Biden plus 12. So in the latter if my demographics perfectly lined up with who actually voted I should have say a 95% chance of being within plus 6 to 12 points. If the actual people voting do not match my demographic assumptions then my poll is mostly worthless. So going back to my old tired point. We cannot evaluate the credibility of these polls without knowing their underlying assumptions of their chosen demographics. BTW demographics is more than just age and sex.

      I probably explained this poorly. And it is conjecture, but a reasonable one.

    406. Tina says:

      Lis Power
      @LisPower1
      · 36m
      Fox host: “I find myself, as a mother, a huge critic of Dr. Fauci for a simple reason: he has put our children last.”

    407. Tina says:

      I guess if trump got a vaccine by September, he is still loses in Jebot land.

      Moving goalposts, as Jason days.

    408. NYCmike says:

      “Yet in every instance, you were wrong.”

      -Is it me, or was there at least 1 election year missing which Robbie neglected to mention?

    409. NYCmike says:

      Robbie is still “undecided”.

    410. NYCmike says:

      Meghan Markle sends a Hollywood “Thank You” to Robbie for being a big help trying to tamp down conservative morale!

    411. Country Dick Montana says:

      Unfortunately Robbie may be on to something. According to the WSJ Dem senate candidates out raised the GOP by about $60 million to $20 Million in the first 6 months of 2020. That is in the news section.

      In the opinion section the editorial staff is basically saying that Trump needs a better public relations effort on Covid.

      Since all of this means that Robbie is right, and the GOP is going down hard there is not use going to the polls this year.

    412. Chicon says:

      416 – Wes is morphing into MD.

    413. Chicon says:

      Parrot The Concern Troll is on top of his game today.

    414. Stonewall DW says:

      I have no idea how the POTUS election will turn out. It will probably be close, and it probably won’t tilt one way or the other until the last week or so of the campaign. I will say, that if you see during the last week before the election PPP out with polls showing Trump ahead by a point or two in FL, NC, and PA, then it probably means Trump wins easily. But I expect it will be a nailbiter, given how many people out there knowingly or unknowingly want the USA to become North Venezuela.

    415. Tina says:

      Remember when the Jebot said trump liked Pooty Poot and the bot went full in on the Russian hoax?
      https://twitter.com/ArthurSchwartz/status/1283796122021044224

    416. Country Dick Montana says:

      436 – Further down in that same link is a tweet of Trumps Goya picture with Chris Cuomo on CNN, with the poster saying that only Chris Cuomo had the right reaction to that picture

    417. NYCmike says:

      Chris Cuomo –

      Goya products on Resolute Desk = Bad!

      over 30K NY Covid deaths so print up a poster = GREAT!

    418. lisab says:

      Six of the top 10 spenders during the 2018 congressional election cycle were party committees, who together spent $1.3 billion.[1] As of the June 2020 campaign finance reports, the same six party committees—three Democratic committees and three Republican committees—have raised a combined $1.115 billion during the 2020 election cycle ($639.0 million across the three Republican committees and $475.9 million across the three Democratic committees).
      —————————————–

      and actually a huge amount came from bloomberg, that is one person

    419. Robbie says:

      Oxford University vaccine produced by AstraZeneca provides “double protection”.

      https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-oxford-vaccine-could-provide-double-protection-report-12029406?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

    420. VictrC says:

      437 – Country. – did you see Cuomo said almost exactly, to the word, what Robbie was spewing above. Literally.

      Gee, guess we didn’t have to go far to see where he got his talking points from

    421. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 16, 2020 at 1:28 pm
      I guess if trump got a vaccine by September, he is still loses in Jebot land.

      Moving goalposts, as Jason days.

      – My view that a vaccine approval might be enough to push Trump into a tie or over the top on election day was premised on him keeping the race relatively close. The race isn’t close right now. If that changes, then it might be the deciding factor.

    422. Robbie says:

      If anyone is doing parroting, it’s conservative Henry Olsen of me.

      https://t.co/nlQY4Eo1K3?amp=1

    423. NYCmike says:

      “The race isn’t close right now.”

      Robbie:

      Although I am still “undecided” about the Presidential Election, and as a stalwart conservative Republican, I know Biden will win comfortably, because Trump is terrible!

    424. Country Dick Montana says:

      “The race isn’t close right now.”

      I believe that it is closer than the RCP average, although if the election were held today, he would likely lose.

      The main reason that I think that it is closer is the number of undecideds/other candidate. The RCP average is over 11 (Range 8 to 18.) What is the traditional other candidate by vote? 3%? 4%? Right now there are no credible 3rd party candidates. No Gary Johnson, No Jill Stein.

      I don’t know the percentage of “shy” Trump voters but even you have to admit that it is out there. Monmouth certainly does. Assume that Trump gets 50% of the 11% and Biden gets 20% (shy Biden Voter) and the margin gets closer to Biden +4 with around 3% voting 3rd party. I know that I will be accused of unskewing or “frisking” but something has to be done with that 11%

      If it is closer to Biden +4% then the only thing that matters is what is happening in PA,FL,MI,WI,NC and AZ. Biden can run up all the extra and unnecessary votes that he wants in CA,NY,MA,NJ, etc. After 50%+1 they don’t count.

      And one final thing, despite what we might think, a lot of people have not seen Joe Biden in action. Trump and the Chinese are beating Trump.

    425. dblaikie says:

      Robbie, like the old MD, from on high you grandly announce that “the race isn’t close right now.” Never mind that this is exactly the effect that the media wants you to have. In fact what is troubled me most over the years is how quickly and glibly you in trust blindly CNN and MSNBC. Even though in 2016 they predicted the election far better than many firms that just accept as truth, you with that grand authority proclaim that Rasmussen or Trafalgar is not worth the paper it is written on.

      Frankly Robbie I am getting weary of this same pattern that you demonstrated with the Kavanough Hearings. You supported the good judge but then quickly told us with your grand wisdom, given out from on high, that he was toast.

      Well just like I told MD four years ago, who grandly expected us all to bow before his insight (I refused), “only a sith deals in absolutes.”

    426. NYCmike says:

      ” “only a sith deals in absolutes.””

      -You and Rudy Giuliani both have lisps??

    427. NYCmike says:

      “And one final thing, despite what we might think, a lot of people have not seen Joe Biden in action. Trump and the Chinese are beating Trump.”

      -And conveniently, Robbie wants no debates to take place……..BUT he doesn’t really want the Democrat to win…….

    428. dblaikie says:

      I am going to apply this rule to all these media polls from outlets that hate Trump. Whatever Trump’s number add 3 points to account for the “shy”Trump voter. Add 3 points for the ridiculous over sampling of Democrats. And add 3 points for just the general way they conduct the — who they ask, where they call, the questions used. So there you go for the Quin polls Trump is 2 points behind.

    429. Country Dick Montana says:

      “And conveniently, Robbie wants no debates to take place”

      He didn’t say that.

    430. Country Dick Montana says:

      WSJ Headline:

      Now Arriving at JFK: Private Pilots Get Their Chance to Fly Into Major Airports

      A lull in air traffic has opened up an opportunity for smaller, slower planes to land at big airports

      That would be fun.

    431. Tina says:

      The Reckoning Collision symbol
      @sethjlevy
      .
      @PressSec
      announces therapeutic from Regeneron effective against Covid-19 and as many 300,000 treatments available by the end of the summer.

      #Breakthrough
      11:40 AM · Jul 16, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

    432. Tina says:

      I don’t listen to either cuomo brothers.

      One had covid and did not stay quarantined. Acted like a punk and also bathed in bleach and took a form of the antimalaria drug.

      The other brother sent covid patients back to nursing homes. Like duh.

      Let the jebots applaud venthoarder.

    433. Gordon Allen says:

      What are the signs of the economy ” slowing”? Exactly please.I missed them.PS On MD( I have followed Hedgehog Report since 2004 but only recently contributed) I thought he was full of you know what,and himself,in 2016,and couldn’t believe the deference he was given. Wes is MD all over again,and if Trump wins he’ll disappear too. Robbie is a Democrat and will vote for Biden. That’s OK,it’s( still?) a free country,but it would be nice if people were straight up about where they stand.Wissing is a Biden voter as well,but is at least fairly transparent about it.Why is it difficult to be transparent?

    434. Tina says:

      I don’t see any slowing.

      Each day, when economic data comes out, I try to post it.

    435. NYCmike says:

      “He didn’t say that.”

      -Yes, he did, just the other day, after some NY Times columnist said the same thing.

    436. lisab says:

      MD was not given deference so much as people did not want to deal with his personal attacks, he used to just insult people like janz over and over again, and she was too nice to tell him to gfh

    437. Country Dick Montana says:

      458 – Yes, you are correct. He did say that he thought that they did no good and they were just campaigns in 2 minute segments.

    438. lisab says:

      Why is it difficult to be transparent?
      ————-

      robbie is just a weenie, that’s why. he thinks the trump voters are stupid and wants to concern troll them

      he’s the kid that always sat alone in the cafeteria

    439. Robbie says:

      dblaikie says:
      July 16, 2020 at 2:40 pm

      Frankly Robbie I am getting weary of this same pattern that you demonstrated with the Kavanough Hearings.

      – And frankly, I’m getting weary of your belief the polls are all wrong. You said the same thing in 2018 and even predicted Republicans would gain seats in the House.

    440. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      July 16, 2020 at 2:50 pm
      “And conveniently, Robbie wants no debates to take place”

      He didn’t say that.

      – Correct.

      All I said was I don’t find debates very enlightening and wouldn’t miss them if we never had them.

    441. Robbie says:

      NYCmike says:
      July 16, 2020 at 3:48 pm
      “He didn’t say that.”

      -Yes, he did, just the other day, after some NY Times columnist said the same thing.

      – I did not say that.

      I said I don’t care for debates in general and I wouldn’t care if we never have them again.

      I didn’t say cancel the debates this year.

      Nice try, though.

    442. Robbie says:

      lisab says:
      July 16, 2020 at 4:33 pm

      robbie is just a weenie, that’s why. he thinks the trump voters are stupid and wants to concern troll them

      he’s the kid that always sat alone in the cafeteria

      – As opposed to a woman who scours through 12 year old comments from me in an internet forum in the early hours of the morning.

    443. Tina says:

      I don’t find rallies enlightening either.

      Jebot

    444. Robbie says:

      Do you want to know what might explain why party ID in the national polls shows such a large margin for Democrats right now?

      “Since January, Americans’ party preferences have shifted dramatically .. What had been a two-percentage-point Republican advantage in U.S. party identification and leaning has become an 11-point Democratic advantage” @GallupNews

    445. NYCmike says:

      “I didn’t say cancel the debates this year.”

      NYCmike says:
      July 16, 2020 at 2:43 pm

      (removed words)

      -And conveniently, Robbie wants no debates to take place…….

      ** Does anyone see the word “cancel” in my comment? **

    446. Wes says:

      Well, I can honestly say Gordon Allen obviously doesn’t read too well and doesn’t know a goddamn thing about what he’s talking about.

      I’ve already said I’m voting for Trump. I’m just a realist about his chances of reelection.

      I was wrong about Trump in 2016, and I’m still here.

      I’ll be here regardless of the election results this year.

      Thus, Gordon, do me a favor and GFY. If your armchair analysis of the upcoming election is as nonsensical as your prediction of what I will do, then Trump might as well take a vacation till November.

    447. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 16, 2020 at 4:45 pm
      I don’t find rallies enlightening either.

      Jebot

      – I don’t, but I realize others do.

    448. Gordon Allen says:

      1 I don’t believe you.2 The lack of class and elementary poise evident in your reply gives good reason for 1.3 You define pompous ass and in that regard are a worthy successor to MD.4 Don’t pick a fight with your bettor; you can bully some,but not me. I have your number.

    449. Todd McCain says:

      MD was a complete jerkoff and I cannot see how Trump wins at this point, but I will be voting for him. COVID and its response has taken over the race and sucked all the O2 out of Trump’s 2020 campaign plan. He cant have his rallies or run the campaign they way they want. Biden doesn’t have to come out of the basement.

    450. Country Dick Montana says:

      If Trump loses due to Covid, it will be the greatest foreign interference in a free election ever. The Chinese will have gotten just what they wanted

    451. Tina says:

      I found Obama’s rallies enlightening

      Jebo

    452. Todd McCain says:

      Additionally, the DEM money advantage that materialized in the House in 18 has now spilled over to the SENATE and its a literal blue blood bath. GOP incumbents getting lapped up and down — Gardner, Collins, Ernst, McSally, Tillis……This is a problem the GOP is going to need to reckon with this big dem money.

    453. Stonewall DW says:

      “Biden doesn’t have to come out of the basement.”

      I disagree. He won’t have to come out to get the Dem base and far left to vote for him. But independents want to look someone over before pulling the lever. When Biden refused to say why people should vote for him, and said its up to the voter to figure that out…Independents aren’t going to be thrilled with him.

      Don’t get me wrong, Trump could lose. But Biden will have to come out and make a case. In 2016 Chuck Todd on NBC election night coverage lamented over one of his worries going into the election–that Hillary ran on simply, “I’m not Trump” and came up short even though she would have been the first woman. Todd rightly pointed out that she never made a case for why people should vote for her other than she wasn’t Trump.

      Biden is on the path to make the same mistake–especially so given he has already passed on giving people a reason.

    454. NYCmike says:

      I CAN see how Trump wins at this point…..make sure you speak to as many people as possible, donate some $$, volunteer, etc.

      Let’s do the work, people!

      Don’t give up until Robbie hears from Lord Arsehat!

    455. Tina says:

      Looks like the jebots favorite Governor after cuomo (Nuissance )is having a tough time with covid Here in Ca.

    456. Tina says:

      He will,have to come out and do debates.

      The more he appears the more feeble he looks and sounds.

      Is it raining?

      Let’s wait till October and see. Not doing a Jebot and calling the race over in June.

    457. Country Dick Montana says:

      “Biden is on the path to make the same mistake–especially so given he has already passed on giving people a reason.”

      By the same token would like Trump to come out and articulate a positive reason for people to vote for him. “I am the only thing standing between you and socialism” should be compelling, but I don’t think enough people realize how horrible it would be.

    458. PresidentPaul! says:

      No way Biden is doing a debate lmao.

      Idk what the excuse will be, but I can pretty much guarantee he’s not doing that.

      If he can’t do a television interview or even read a premade script as a statement, he’s not going to be able to do a debate.

    459. Chicon says:

      Wes shows up to confirm he’s morphing into MD.

    460. Big Joe says:

      #403-
      I’m not sure it’s a good idea to be using commentators’ real names here.

      BJ

    461. Stonewall DW says:

      485 – only did so because he used to post that way here…you can go back and find it in the archives, so that train left the station.

    462. Big Joe says:

      He also said he stopped using his real name because he realized it was not a wise thing to do. He’s right too.

      BJ

    463. PresidentPaul! says:

      https://electionprojection.com/senate-elections.php

      They have dems picks: arizona, maine, montana, colorado, iowa, and NC

      And they have alabama as the one gop pickup

    464. Stonewall DW says:

      Wes is not morphing into MD. Its not stupid to see a path where Trump can lose. I too see such paths, though I clearly am hoping Trump will win, and I see a path toward victory too. But to ignore the many things lined up against Trump would be foolish. The relentless media alone is enough that could do it.

      It will take hard work but Trump can win. He has compelling ads that he can run, both touting his record and showcasing Biden’s horrible plan for the country.

      The lack of retail politics due to Covid will hurt Biden more than Trump. Trump’s base shows up, rallies or not. Biden? Look at 2016 as Clinton spent the final two weeks racing around trying to whip up the base to get out. It wasn’t enough. If Biden doesn’t even do that, hard to see how he can win–especially if university students are learning from home instead of on campus.

      Finally, I have just completed a study of past elections where sitting presidents from either party ran for re-election against one major opponent. The study evaluates, state by state, the gains and losses by the sitting potus and the candidate from the challenger’s party. Specifically, how did voters feel after four years of a Dem or a Republican in office. Applying an average of these numbers here is how they would be, against the 2016 numbers:

      Trump / Biden

      AZ: 50/44
      CO: 44/47
      FL: 49/48
      GA: 53/44
      IA: 53/41
      MI: 50/45
      MN: 47/47
      NC: 50/46
      NH: 48/48
      NM: 42/46
      NV: 48/47
      OH: 53/46
      OR: 42/51
      PA: 52/47
      TX: 54/41
      VA: 47/49
      WI: 50/46

      Again, these are not really a prediction, because other factors can come into play, like the overall direction a state is trending. But if the actual results look anything like this, people will be asking me for my formula.

    465. John says:

      New Kentucky poll…Trump +12 in a Dem poll.
      McConnell +4.
      Trump won Ky by 30% in 2016.
      Yawn.
      These Democrat polls need to stop.
      https://amymcgrath.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Polling-Memo-07-16.pdf

    466. John says:

      Just released….Quinnipiac put out their poll yesterday showing Biden +7 from their last poll to break out to an unbelievable +15.
      Except this was released just a 98 minutes after Rasmussen released their poll show a Trump +7 from their last poll to make it 47-44 Biden.
      Hmmmmm………..

    467. Country Dick Montana says:

      From the Hart Research Website:

      “Our history of accomplishments includes winning open seats, helping Democrats succeed in places that often vote Republican, electing women to statewide office, helping elect political newcomers, winning contested primaries, and winning initiative and referendum campaigns.”

      https://hartresearch.com/our-story/

    468. Country Dick Montana says:

      491 – Interestingly enough, if you take out Ras and quinn you get the same average margin for Biden. In other words quinn and ras cancel each other out.

    469. John says:

      494
      Now try to implement The Hill/Harris poll….

    470. Tina says:

      Trump hinted at many interesting things co I g in the next 8 weeks,

      One of the hints appears to be a fall China virus vaccine.

      Said that the military is geared to distribute it,

    471. jason says:

      Making Goya an issue might appeal to Trump’s base,”

      Wow….

      Freedom of expression now only appeals to Trump’s base….

    472. Big Joe says:

      RealClear and 538 do a good job of aggregating polls. I watch the averages and the trend. This removes all the noise from outliers.

      Pollsters got slammed after 2016, but the national averages weren’t that far off.

      Pollsters did whiff at the state level. Hopefully they learned something and won’t repeat that mistake twice.

      BJ

    473. Big Joe says:

      M ÷ 2

      BJ

    474. Big Joe says:

      Dang

      BJ

    475. CountryDickMontana says:

      Come on Joe. 8 to 18 percent undecided. That’s the range. 7 pols all claiming a MOE of 3 and the margin ranges from 3 to 15. The truth is in there somewhere.

    476. CountryDickMontana says:

      Can anyone dig up the RCP average for 2016 on this date? Now that would be interesting.

    477. Phil says:

      I appreciate the effort but I think the formula is pulling numbers out your butt.

    478. Big Joe says:

      Dick,

      I’ve posted this before but I’ll repeat myself. In this day and age, there are very few undecided and/or 3rd party voters.

      Any poll that shows more than 5% undecided/3rd party is not a good poll.

      Despite that, you can still see trends, so at least there’s that.

      You can also choose to allocate the undecideds as you wish.
      1- Shy Trump vote / Bradley effect.
      2- Undecideds break for the challenger / stay home.
      3- Undecideds go 50/50.
      4- Your own formula.

      BJ

    479. NYCmike says:

      https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/07/16/missouris-republican-governor-backs-the-mccloskeys-right-to-defend-themselves-n651871

      “Missouri Gov. Parsons and Circuit Attorney Gardner, a Republican and Democrat respectively, provide a clear choice for voters to examine as they head to the voting booth. The Republicans will defend your right to defend yourself and your family. The Democrats will use force to disarm you, leave you unprotected by defunding and demoralizing the police in your city, and they may even prosecute you for exercising your right to continue breathing.”

      -Robbie still “undecided”.

    480. Robbie says:

      CountryDickMontana says:
      July 16, 2020 at 6:41 pm
      Can anyone dig up the RCP average for 2016 on this date? Now that would be interesting.

      – On July 16, 2016, it was Clinton +2.7 in the RCP average.

      In addition, here is FiveThirtyEight’s polling average with 110 days to go for elections stretching back to 1976.

      2020: Biden +9.1
      2016: Clinton +1.1
      2012: Obama +0.9
      2008: Obama +4.2
      2004: Kerry +1.9
      2000: Bush +6.4
      1996: Clinton +15.2
      1992: Clinton +13.7
      1988: Dukakis +4.0
      1984: Reagan +12.1
      1980: Reagan +11.3
      1976: Carter +7.0

    481. Country Dick Montana says:

      Kind of doing a back of envelope type of thing to see if the poll number make sense. I looked at the top 15 states by population which make up 66% of the US population. Assume that the voters are the same percentage. I am putting a guesstimate as to the percentage of the vote:

      State/Trump/Biden

      CA/35%/65%
      TX/53%/47%
      FL/50%/50%
      NY/35%/65%
      PA/49%/51%
      IL/40%/60%
      OH/51%/49%
      GA/51%/49%
      NC/50%/50%
      MI/50%/50%
      NJ/35%/65%
      VA/45%/55%
      WA/40%/60%
      AZ/50%/50%
      MA/35%/65%

      Doing the math for the top 15 states you come up with:

      Biden: 55.8% (+11.7)
      Trump: 44.2%

      For the remaining 35 states + DC, 22 are 2016 Trump states with 22.5% of the population and 13 states and DC with 11.5% of the population

      States/Trump/Biden
      Trump/55%/45%
      Clinton/45%/55%

      So the remaining country is:

      Biden 48.4% (-3.2%)
      Trump 51.6%

      Finally, nationwide the numbers come up to:

      Biden 53.3% (+6.6)
      Trump 46.7%

      So I think that I have been fairly generous with with percentages on the Biden states while being a little conservative on the Trump states. This is my estimate as to where we are.

      It was just spreadsheet fun.

    482. Robbie says:

      CountryDickMontana says:
      July 16, 2020 at 6:41 pm
      Can anyone dig up the RCP average for 2016 on this date? Now that would be interesting.

      – Here is the link if you want to see how that race ebbed and flowed. You can clearly see from the graph how Trump consolidated after the primary ended in May, how the fight with Judge Curiel hurt him in June, how the fight with the Khans hurt him in August, and how Access Hollywood hurt him in October. You can also see how the race quickly reverted to something much closer once each kerfuffle wore off.

      https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

    483. phoenixrisen says:

      One thing to be mindful of. Gary Johnson is not on the ballot which he got 3.2% of the vote in 2016. My guess would be Trump would get 70% minimum of those votes in November. That is going to be a big problem for Biden come November.

    484. Crymedogg says:

      #508.. very cherry picked. There were 3 Trump positive polls around this date to skew number. Go to realclearpolitics and see. Actually more like +5.0-6.0. Look at the list of polls. All the polls around those are super heavy Clinton.

    485. Big Joe says:

      #511-

      Gary Johnson, or Jill Stein for that matter, are not included in this cycle’s polling so their vote should already be allocated to Trump or Biden already.

      BJ

    486. Tina says:

      Finally, Fallacy reprimanded

      Mark Knoller
      @markknoller
      ·
      30m
      WH Chief of Staff Mark Meadows says
      @PeterNavarro45
      was wrong to have written that Op-Ed critical of Dr Fauci, but Fauci was wrong to have said the Coronavirus pandemic is as bad or worse than the 1918 epidemic. “Not only is that false, it’s irresponsible,” said Meadows on Fox.

    487. Big Joe says:

      #509, Dick-

      Interesting analysis, Dick. The days of double-digit popular vote victories are in the rear view mirror. Both candidates start out with 45% of the vote, then you probably have 5-7% strong leaners, and a few % truly undecided.

      +7 should probably be considered landslide territory in today’s political climate.

      BJ

    488. jason says:

      Another example on why this election won’t be about Trump fatigue or Covid 19.

      “Republican Missouri Governor Mike Parson said during a Tuesday press briefing that Mark and Patricia McCloskey, who were captured on video brandishing firearms as Black Lives Matter protesters marched past their home in June, had “every right” to attempt to protect their private property.

      Governor Parsons defended the McCloskey’s actions Tuesday. “That couple had every right to protect their property,” Parson said. “They have the ability to do that as private citizens like everyone else.”

      Missouri respects the Castle Doctrine, which provides legal defense should a citizen use a firearm to defend their property.

      Anders Walker, a constitutional law professor at St. Louis University, said that although it’s “very dangerous” to engage protesters with guns, the homeowners broke no laws by brandishing or pointing weapons at them because Portland Place is a private street. He said the McCloskeys are protected by Missouri’s Castle Doctrine, which allows people to use deadly force to defend private property.

      “At any point that you enter the property, they can then, in Missouri, use deadly force to get you off the lawn,” Walker said, calling the state’s Castle Doctrine a “force field” that “indemnifies you, and you can even pull the trigger in Missouri.”

      The gate that protesters evidently broke on their way into the neighborhood, and the street they stood on, are both private property. There is no right for anyone to protest on private property. About 87 protesters found that out this week in Kentucky, and now face charges for protesting on the yard of the state’s attorney general.

      Missouri Gov. Parsons and Circuit Attorney Gardner, a Republican and Democrat respectively, provide a clear choice for voters to examine as they head to the voting booth. The Republicans will defend your right to defend yourself and your family. The Democrats will use force to disarm you, leave you unprotected by defunding and demoralizing the police in your city, and they may even prosecute you for exercising your right to continue breathing.”

      Robbie to say protecting property rights not as important as COVID in 3, 2, 1…

    489. jason says:

      Or maybe Robbie will say that like freedom of expression, only “Trump’s base” cares about property rights.

    490. jason says:

      You can also see how the race quickly reverted to something much closer once each kerfuffle wore off.”

      This is mostly BS, but at least Robbie finally admits that if that is the case, this race is certainly not over.

    491. jason says:

      One thing to be mindful of. Gary Johnson is not on the ballot which he got 3.2% of the vote in 2016. My guess would be Trump would get 70% minimum of those votes in November.”

      Trump might not have gotten that 70% in 2016, but if libertarians are paying attention, they might support him this time around.

      I can’t think of a more anti-libertarian candidate than Joe Biden.

    492. jason says:

      PeterNavarro45
      was wrong to have written that Op-Ed critical of Dr Fauci, but Fauci was wrong to have said the Coronavirus pandemic is as bad or worse than the 1918 epidemic.”

      Navarro is a horse’s ass. Nothing to do with his stupid op-ed.

    493. CountryDickMontana says:

      515- like I said it was back of envelope number crunching. To get to Biden +8.6 I had to give 40% margins to Biden in the hard core Dem states. Except for DC that won’t happen. So even being generous I can’t see the RCP average unless the electorate has truly changed.

      One thing to remember is that even though Trumpight be down by 6 or 7, every percentage point he gets from Biden from here out reduces the margin by 2. I think that Fishing out Biden from the basement gets him what he needs. Of not we are died anyway. Or at least my kids and I are.

    494. Gordon Allen says:

      For Fauci to say the Coronavirus is worse than the 1918-20 pandemic- if he did- is so ludicrous so as to put beyond doubt he’s unquestionably now a partisan,leftist hack. Is that true that he said something so clearly stupid.?

    495. jason says:

      Hilarious video of a really dumb criminal

      https://www.redstate.com/alexparker/2020/07/16/875299/

    496. NYCmike says:

      Posted that over a week ago….just got to Lancaster……?

    497. jason says:

      Fauci is always taken out of context, I wouldn’t be surprised this is the case here.

      Ahh, as I thought, he did not say Coronavirus is worse than 1918, even if you believe CNN’s version.

      “If you look at the magnitude of the 1918 pandemic where anywhere from 50 to 75 to 100 million people globally died, that was the mother of all pandemics and truly historic. I hope we don’t even approach that with [COVID-19] but it does have the makings of, the possibility of approaching that in seriousness,” Fauci, who heads the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID,) said during a Georgetown University Global Health Initiative webinar, according to CNN.”

    498. NYCmike says:

      But it was hilarious!

    499. jason says:

      It got to Lancaster 3 days ago.

      It’s another long haul to Bird-in-Hand.

    500. jason says:

      “I hope we don’t even approach that with [COVID-19]”

      “but Fauci was wrong to have said the Coronavirus pandemic is as bad or worse than the 1918 epidemic.”

      So Meadows is full of crap, that is not what Fauci said.

    501. Wes says:

      Heh. Our latter-day Polaris can’t even spell BETTER right for the context he intended. That tells me all I need to know about that self-important asswipe.

      By the way, Gordon Co cksucker, I don’t give a good goddamn what you believe.

      Speak only for yourself, bitch, not for me.

    502. Tina says:

      Pretty clear that Fsllaxy has no answers, other than wanting another shurtdown, the same thing the jebots want.

    503. Tina says:

      Fallacy did not do well in his interview with FB cuckberg.

      Well past time to reboot with a more competent doctor.

    504. Tina says:

      Jebot will fall for this hoax too.

      Mitchell Retweeted

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      @gatewaypundit
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      WOW! Mary Trump, the Latest Grifter to Write Anti-Trump Book, Has NO PHOTOS with Donald Trump, May Not Have Met Him – But Heard Him Say the N-Word? https://thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/wow-mary-trump-latest-grifter-write-anti-trump-book-no-photos-donald-trump-heard-say-n-word/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons… via
      @gatewaypundit

    505. Country Dick Montana says:

      NOTE: Texas: Bexar County reported 5,501 cases today, 691 of which represent new cases, while 4,810 were backlogged, the result of “kinks in the communication process with the state, and that cases have been underreported in the past two weeks” according to reports citing San Antonio Mayor Ron Nirenberg. Some of the 21 reported deaths were also backlogged [source] Worldometer has redistributed the 4,810 backlogged cases over the previous 14 days based on the existing pattern of Bexar County daily case increases over the same period.

      Its always “kinks in the system.” And people want to put the Government in charge of healthcare.

    506. jason says:

      Well past time to reboot with a more competent doctor.”

      You are not going to find a more competent doctor.

      But maybe one of those fake doctors on TV, who is used to reading from a script someone gives him.

    507. jason says:

      July 9 deaths 961
      July 9 cases 61848

      July 16 deaths 963
      July 16 cases 73668

      IHME

      Projected Actual
      July 1 640 676 +26
      July 2 642 687 +45
      July 3 644 616 -28
      July 4 646 254 -392
      July 5 648 251 -397
      July 6 648 378 -270
      July 7 653 994 +341
      July 8 653 890 +237
      July 9 653 960 +307
      July10 672 849 +177
      July11 681 733 +52
      July12 685 380 -305
      July13 689 465 -224
      July14 692 937 +245
      July15 777 997 +220
      July16 798 963 +165

    508. UgandanAttorney says:

      I don’t really buy the “shy Trump” voter theory as it’s traditionally characterized. The “shy Tory” is about poll respondents lying to pollsters about their true voting intentions. I don’t think there’s a wide swath of Trump voters lying to pollsters about the voting intentions, party registration, and political leanings. The theory requires too much lying by too many respondents to be credible.

      The Trump voter theory that is a lot more credible, and possibly very accurate, is that they aren’t answering phone calls from pollsters or taking online questionnaires from pollsters. So the argument would be that pollsters weighting by education would not solve the issue of wide swaths of Trump voters not answering polls because the sample wouldn’t be representative. If the sample of white non-college educated voters that pollsters are receiving is unrepresentative because Trump’s segment of this base is not answering polls, then all the weighting in the world won’t matter.

      There’s no way to evaluate this theory because even Republican-leaning pollsters would miss these voters. I suppose IVR arguably would do the best job in capturing them. Perhaps oversampling white non-college educated voters would be a possible remedy?

      One data point that does work in favor of this theory is the change in Republican behavior towards mail ballots. Trump’s attacks on mail ballots reportedly led to Republicans not requesting them at normal rates. If Trump’s attacks on mail can lead to a change in behavior, then it logically follows that Trump’s attack on “fake polls” would lead to a change in behavior in some of his supporters not answering polls.

    509. MichiganGuy says:

      What is going on with Jake Tapper? First, he slams Gov. Cuomo over his Coronavirus response.
      .

      https://twitter.com/NewsPolitics/status/1283135037618225153?s=19

      Now he is defending McEnany. Is he starting to realize the Democrats have lost all their marbles and planning on defecting to FoxNews?
      .
      https://dbdailyupdate.com/index.php/2020/07/16/the-evening-wrap-a-key-supreme-court-decision-and-jake-tapper-gets-something-right/

    510. MichiganGuy says:

      Also, great Supreme Court decision. “This decision by the high court means that roughly 1 million Florida felons who have failed to satisfy their financial obligations could be unable to vote in November. Democrats and their corrupt toadies in the news media are obviously hardest hit by today’s decision.”

    511. MichiganGuy says:

      What happened to the night crew?

    512. Bitterlaw says:

      Tapper is from Philadelphia. He still has common sense.

      Maybe he just does not want to turn into the other Philadelphia born analyst, Chris Matthews.

    513. UgandanAttorney says:

      The troops are retaking Portland tonight.

    514. Bitterlaw says:

      MD was an intelligent and funny poster. He had a big ego and staked his reputation on Trump losing. He was not wrong to point out that Trump was a dishonorable scumbag. He just ignored the fact that Hillary was an equally terrible person.

      I think that MD lost it when Trump shamefully mocked McCain’s war record. As a veteran, that was too much for MD.

    515. MichiganGuy says:

      Bitter, nice try. MD was an arrogant s.o.b. who prided himself on knowing everything about politics and finance. After, being completely wrong on the 2016 election he felt embarrassed and ran away like the coward he is. Most of us thought Hillary was going to win but, unlike MD, we can admit we were wrong and move on. MD obviously had such low self esteem that he couldn’t handle looking foolish in his prediction.

    516. UgandanAttorney says:

      Michiganguy,

      Perhaps it’s a sign that we’re all getting older and raging at each other at midnight isn’t as easy as in our younger days.

      I’ve been a lurker for awhile but I remember a poster named Diogenes’ outburst when Christine O’Donnell defeated Mike Castle. That was absolutely legendary.

      I wish Lisab could find Diogenes’ implosion and post it again.

    517. MichiganGuy says:

      #544 This site won’t let me repost it. Here is the link.
      .
      http://davidwissing.com/?p=13168#comments
      .
      Post # 138
      .
      LOL

    518. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

      Bitterlaw – “He just ignored the fact that Hillary was an equally terrible person.”

      When your kids sh*t on your grave, it’ll be because you said such absolutely ludicrous things like this.

      Idiot boomers that can’t filter good information from bad. Either Jeb or Hillary would’ve slam dunked on the Coronavirus and saved hundreds of thousands of American lives.

      Your lies can’t save you from your reckoning in hell.

    519. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

      “Sure Hitler is bad, but Franz von Papen would’ve been worse!”

      -Bitterlaw’s German equivalent in 1945

    520. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      “Good riddance to bad garbage.” What a useful idiot he has been. MSNBC or CNN material,though! Solid GOP pick-up.

      Justin Amash not campaigning for re-election or seeking Libertarian nomination in MI-6

      https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/16/justin-amash-not-campaigning-re-election-representative-congress-michigan/5444677002/

    521. Gordon Allen says:

      Ugandan,I agree that in large measure the shy Trump voter manifests itself by not answering calls( perhaps also partially explaining the absurd overweighting of Democrat’s); they take the calls. However,I can easily see cases where someone who supports Trump won’t say so in earshot of family, friends etc who hate Trump. I can visualize this in a few people I know. I think it’s both

    522. Stonewall DW says:

      552…was just chatting last night with relatives on the phone–people who live in a Trump state and would crawl over broken glass, if needed, to vote for Trump. And twice they have been called asking to take a political survey and they just hung up–because they want no part of fake news and fake polls.

      But short of this more extreme example, most people now just look at their phone when it rings and if they don’t recognize the number, they don’t answer it. So the pollsters have to call 100000 people to get 1000.

      But again, we have actual evidence of all this from Alabama. The Trump vote polled at Sessions just behind, but within striking distance. The Trump vote VOTED a landslide defeat for Sessions.

      I expect that the Trump vote will show up again in IA, OH, FL, NC, WI, MI, and PA. Will Biden be able to whip up the urban votes in those states to flip them? We will know in three and half months.

    523. Stonewall DW says:

      UT_04

      McAdams (D-Inc) 34%
      Owens (R) 43%
      Molnar (5%)

      Moore Information

    524. Gordon Allen says:

      #553. A few weeks ago I wrote about 2 people I knew who told me the same thing. It exists for sure; the issue is what percentage of voters does that represent? I think it’s more than the 2-3% I previously thought,but its hard t quantify until actual voting occurs.

    525. Tina says:

      M.Joseph Sheppard
      @SHEPMJS
      ·
      14h
      Brian Fitzpatrick won Pennsylvania 1 by 2.6 points in 2018;
      PA-1

      JUL 12-15, 2020
      B+ Public Opinion Strategies*
      400LVFinello Dem39%
      Fitzpatrick GOP 53% Fitzpatrick+14

      Good to see a partisan poll on our side
      https://politico.com/f/?id=00000173-56e2-d535-ab7f-76ebc7780000

    526. Tina says:

      Housing starts occurred at a 1.19 million seasonally adjusted annual rate in June, the Commerce Department said Friday, representing a 17% increase from May. Permitting activity for newly-built homes rose 2.1% between May and June to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 1.24 million. Housing starts nearly met the consensus forecast of economists polled by MarketWatch – they estimated new home construction to take place at a 1.2 million-unit annual rate. Building permits fell slightly short of economists’ consensus forecast of 1.3

      https://www.marketwatch.com/story/housing-starts-continue-to-rebound-from-coronavirus-fueled-lows-2020-07-17?mod=mw_latestnews

    527. Bitterlaw says:

      Don’t tell Tina that she would consider Fitzpatrick a RINO.

    528. Bitterlaw says:

      546. I am sure my children have better reasons than that to desecrate my grave.

      JEB! or Hillary would have saved “hundreds of thousands” of lives (a number not reached yet?). I can’t speak about JEB!’s possible response but I believe Hillary would have followed the Cuomo/Murphy model that lead to the carnage in NY/NJ. Hillary would not have closed travel earlier than Trump. I am sure she would have also selected Dr. Fauci but I think Trump made the right call picking him.

    529. Tina says:

      Bl, your friend, Doctor Fallacy, hinted at another lockdown.

      He is clueless.

    530. Bitterlaw says:

      Diogenes was right that O’Donnell was crazy. At least she was not a witch. According to her ad, at least.

      Mike Castle had never lost a statewide race in Delaware. Losing to her gave the seat to Coons for life.

    531. Bitterlaw says:

      He is not clueless. He is a doctor with only one job – reduce cases and deaths. It is not his job to revive the economy. That is Trump’s task.

      He is not my friend. He is Trump’s. Take it up with him.

    532. Tina says:

      Has he reduced cases and deaths?

      No.

      So, he is ineffective and clueless, if he wants another shutdown.

    533. Tina says:

      Why are Federal police arresting people in Portland.

      What about muh constitution.

      -Jebot

    534. Phil says:

      Hmmm. Fauci wants another shutdown? Is that actually true? Surely not. Nobody could possibly be that stupid.

    535. Bitterlaw says:

      Why are smart people like Phil andTina unable to stop confusing medical policy and economic policy?

      I would expect more from an A-hole like Phil.

      Oh. We forgot to tell you. Congratulations.

    536. Gordon Allen says:

      I’ve come to believe Fauci is venal,not stupid,and a Democratic first.The mask,no pun intended,is off.

    537. Tina says:

      As Harry Enten recently noted at CNN, “An average of recent polls finds that a majority of voters (about 55%) believe that Trump will defeat Biden in the election. Trump’s edge on this question has remained fairly consistent over time.” This is far more than mere statistical curiosity by number nerds. Several peer-reviewed studies have shown that surveys of voter expectations are far more predictive of election outcomes than polls of voter intentions.

      https://spectator.org/why-the-polls-predict-trump-will-win/

    538. Gordon Allen says:

      Tina. Any signs of a” slowing economy” there? I don’t see it. Maybe that’s why Fauci is now pushing a lockdown.His Democratic friends have given him the word to go for it.

    539. Phil says:

      Thanks, bitter. I promise to justify your faith in me by living down to the A-Hole code.

      Now GFY.

    540. Tina says:

      True. She could be related to Ms Ford on looks. Prolly a reason why the jebots are attractive to her.

      ohn Cardillo
      @johncardillo
      ·
      29m
      Mary Trump is less credible and look more insane than Christine Blasey Ford.

    541. Tina says:

      Gordon, I have not seen one.

      Yesterday , Julyretail sales reached their January 2020 high.

      This, despite, lower gasoline prices.

      The housing numbers are quite strong.

    542. Bitterlaw says:

      Good start, Phil.

      GFY.

    543. Country Dick Montana says:

      My take on Fauci is that he supposed to be part of a TEAM. He is supposed to advise the guy who is making the decisions, and either accept those decisions or get off of the team.

      He is pushing his own agenda, and whether it is medical or otherwise, when he is out doing interviews and puff magazine stories (See InStyle) he is undermining the person who is ultimately responsible. Worse than that it confuses the message.

      He has power right now and knows it. Again, whatever his motives, medical, political or otherwise, the end result of what he is pushing is a government mandated shutdown of society (of course with the exception of those things of which the Government approves.) That is he is asking for the Government to restrict freedom. The way a government restricts freedom is by coercion or ultimately violence.

    544. jason says:

      I think that MD lost it when Trump shamefully mocked McCain’s war record. As a veteran, that was too much for MD.”

      It was too much for me too, that is why I vowed never to vote for him.

      I changed my mind about voting due to the stakes at hand and Trump’s record as President, but it is one of the reasons I always defend McCain here, it was truly despicable and has only had downsides for Trump since.

    545. PresidentPaul! says:

      Is there any legal precedence for firing public officials based on race?

      Seattle wants to cut it’s police depart by 50%, but their problem is that most of the black officers are lower in seniority, and the way they trim the department has always been by seniority.

      So essentially the plan to cut 50% of the force would result in firing the black police officers.

      So now they want to fire based on race.

    546. jason says:

      I’ve come to believe Fauci is venal,not stupid,and a Democratic first.”

      LOL

      “a Democrat first”

      It always comes to that doesn’t it.

      Thanks for making my point.

    547. Tina says:

      Cdm, agree

      Fauci appeared in a magazine cover. I forget the name

      He is photographed by his pool.

      This is not being a team player here.

      I see no other members of the task force doing media articles.

      Like I said from the beginning, Dr. Brix should have taken the key role here. She has a better tv voice.

    548. Tina says:

      More cdc bs about covid deaths,

      One person died in a vehicle accident. The person is “counted” as a covid death.

      https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-questions-raised-after-fatal-motorcycle-crash-listed-as-covid-19-death

    549. Tina says:

      John Cardillo
      @johncardillo
      ·
      4m
      FOX 35 INVESTIGATES: Questions raised after fatal motorcycle crash listed as COVID-19 death

      ““The first one didn’t have any. He died in a motorcycle accident,”

      Dr. Pino was asked if the man’s data was removed.

      “I don’t think so. I have to double-check””

    550. jason says:

      Either Jeb or Hillary would’ve slam dunked on the Coronavirus and saved hundreds of thousands of American lives.”

      Wow, TrumpisPeteWilson wins the brainwashed moron of the month award, sorry Robbie.

      Afraid to “offend” China or the EU, neither would have done what was most responsible e for saving hundreds of thousands of lives, which was suspending the flights and preventing thousands more of COVID infected travelers from arriving.

      And what would they have done differently?

      Maybe they would have appointed Democrats like Fauci and Birx?

    551. Country Dick Montana says:

      No free country with a nominally free press slam dunked Covid. At best it would have been the same here regardless of who was President.

    552. jason says:

      Fauci appeared in a magazine cover.”

      OMG, that must be even worse than being a Democrat.

      You can’t make this sh-t up.

    553. jason says:

      Why are smart people like Phil andTina unable to stop confusing medical policy and economic policy?”

      Easy.

      Fauci was on somebody’s magazine cover.

    554. Tina says:

      Trump was on his own doing The travel ban on China. No one sided with him, including Drs Fallacy and Brix.

    555. Robbie says:

      Axios
      @axios

      The Cook Political Report has moved its outlook for 20 House races toward Democrats as Trump’s troubles spill over down the ballot.

      – If Trump can boost his standing by a few points, much of the down ballot worries would ease. If he can’t, then this *could* be another 2008.

    556. Tina says:

      The China Virus would get no press coverage if jebots favorite DRAT was in office.

    557. Tina says:

      If you read the magazine article, you would realize how phuqed we are, if he remains in charge.

      Wrong on everything.

      And a team player would not do that article most importantly perhaps.

    558. Phil says:

      Ok, someone verify exactly what Fauci is saying about another lockdown? Is he advocating it happening or not? What about opening schools. Is he against it or not? What about sports? Does he want it to happen or not?

      The fact that I have to even ask these questions isn’t exactly a feather in the guy’s cap.

    559. Robbie says:

      There’s a big difference between Birx and Fauci. Birx recognizes she works for the president. We don’t see her making the rounds on TV or offering herself for interviews with anyone who will listen. Fauci seems to think he’s on equal footing with the president. When Fauci speaks on vaccines or treatments, I listen. When he decides to offer his opinion about the NFL or the economic costs of a shutdown, I tune him out.

    560. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      July 17, 2020 at 10:06 am
      Ok, someone verify exactly what Fauci is saying about another lockdown?

      – I haven’t seen him say this.

    561. Tina says:

      More controversy with the confederate cooler and cheeseburger club.

      Larry Schweikart
      @LarrySchweikart
      ·
      1m
      Lincoln Project Paid More than $2M to Firms Owned by Its Founders https://breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/16/lincoln-project-paid-more-than-2-million-to-firms-owned-by-its-founders/… via
      @BreitbartNews

    562. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 17, 2020 at 10:03 am
      The China Virus would get no press coverage if jebots favorite DRAT was in office.

      – Do you not remember early October 2014 when Ebola made it to America? It was a major story in that campaign and there were maybe two people who had it. Republicans used it to challenge Obama’s leadership, including Trump.

    563. Tina says:

      I tune fallacy out,

      He has been wrong on everything.

      He also warned about the potential vaccine that you mentioned yesterday. Is that the Glaxo or one from England?

      So, watch that one be the best, but seems like there wil be multiple ones.

    564. jason says:

      The Fauci haters have zero credibility.

      They pretend they are “outraged” by whatever Fauci says now, but this “now” has existed since he was appointed.

      I could go back several months, and the content of the whining about Fauci, the dishonest taking out of his words out of context and the complete failure to understand what his role is and what it isn’t has been present from the beginning.

      Yesterday, there were several posts here about Navarro and Meadows completely distorting what Fauci said about Covid and the 1918 epidemic.

      I pointed it out with the direct quote.

      Did any of the posters that lied about his comments apologize or acknowledge they were wrong?

      Crickets.

    565. Tina says:

      Being the best, I meant to say the one available first in the fall.

    566. Tina says:

      No China ban.

      Don’t wear a mask, wear a mask.

      Lockdown.

      Need to do something different, won’t say what, but implies returning to lockdown.

      Falsely saying we opened too soon. Explain Arizona and California?

    567. Tina says:

      If masks and lockdowns worked, why is this not the case for California?

      Deaths and cases are rising.

      We were under lockdowns early, by mid March vs March 25 when venthoarder and De Blah argued about locking down.

      We were under mask ordinances since later that month.

    568. Tina says:

      Fallacy has not blamed the riots on the increase in cases.

      When he went mute about this, I gave up on him completely.

    569. jason says:

      It was a major story in that campaign and there were maybe two people who had it. Republicans used it to challenge Obama’s leadership, including Trump.”

      LOL

      The MSM ran interference on it like they always do for the Democrats.

      Let’s get real.

    570. Country Dick Montana says:

      “If you look at the magnitude of the 1918 pandemic where anywhere from 50 to 75 to 100 million people globally died, that was the mother of all pandemics and truly historic. I hope we don’t even approach that with [COVID-19] but it does have the makings of, the possibility of approaching that in seriousness,” Fauci, who heads the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID,) said during a Georgetown University Global Health Initiative webinar, according to CNN.”

      This is the key phrase:

      I hope we don’t even approach that with [COVID-19] but it does have the makings of, the possibility of approaching that in seriousness,”

      If it does get there, he was right. if it doesn’t get there, no one cares what he said. To a reasonable person like me, that is scare mongering. The Spanish Flu was no joke. And we haven’t even approached the death rate of the Asian Flu in 1858 and the Hong Kong Flue of 1968.

      To mention Covid and the Spanish flu in the same sentence is irresponsible.

    571. Country Dick Montana says:

      Correction – Asian Flu was 1968

    572. jason says:

      Fallacy has not blamed the riots on the increase in cases.”

      Another lie

      NBC June 8.

      Dr. Fauci Expects Spike in Coronavirus Cases Due to Protests

      The percentage of positive coronavirus cases is declining across the D.C. area, but those numbers come amid a new warning from the nation’s top infectious disease expert on protests during the pandemic.

      https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dr-anthony-fauci-expects-spike-in-coronavirus-cases-from-protests/2326379/

    573. jason says:

      I hope we don’t even approach that with [COVID-19] but it does have the makings of, the possibility of approaching that in seriousness,”

      So:

      1) Nowhere does it says it is “equal or worse than 1918” like Navarro and Meadows misquoted him.

      2) By hoping “we don’t even approach it” he is saying we are not “even close” to 1918.

      3) “Makings of a possibility” implies it is not even likely, only remotely possible.

      If you want to attack Fauci, at least do it honestly.

    574. Tina says:

      Don’t remember ebola and do t think it was issue. And they hid the h1n1 in 2009.

    575. jason says:

      “To mention Covid and the Spanish flu in the same sentence is irresponsible.”

      Why?

      That is ridiculous, especially since it was probably in answer to a question.

      COVID has already infected 13 million people, but possible a lot more. The Spanish flu maybe infected 500 million but I don’t see the problem in “mentioning it in the same sentence”.

    576. Country Dick Montana says:

      Look, I am not going to sit here and argue with you about this.

      “but it does have the makings of, the possibility of approaching that in seriousness,”

      1. I have not quoted Navarro, nor have I quoted Meadows
      2. Agree there. Why is it necessary to even make the comparison when there are 2 others (1958, 1968) that we haven yet approached?
      3. I think that you are parsing words there. To say that it is even a possibility is irresponsible as that is all people hear. It is a possibility that we may be hit by a meteor today. Not likely but remote.

      I don’t think that I have ever attacked or shown hatred towards Fauci, except for taking exception with some of his actions outside of his responsibilities as a member of the team.

    577. Tina says:

      Fallacy should have said it’s not comparable and here are reasons why.

      Rather, he tried to take all sides and made a mess.

      This Is nothing new

    578. jason says:

      ” It was a major story”

      You have to be a completely dishonest fraud and unbelievably dense to compare Obama’s MSM coverage and Trump’s.

      Especially someone addicted to fake news like Robbie, who if he was even 1% honest would know that there is no comparison.

      The MSM coverage of Obama was overwhelmingly positive. The MSM coverage of Trump is 99% negative.

      To deny that makes you an MSM toady moron.

      Oh wait, Robbie IS an MSM toady moron.

    579. Tina says:

      Quote Tweet
      Really? The DHS/BP Patches were visible.

      David Burbach
      @dburbach
      · 13h
      Oregon Public Broadcasting confirms tweets today that federal officers in camouflage but no agency identification or badges, driving unmarked non-government rental cars, are grabbing protestors off streets in Portland and not talking w local authorities

    580. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 17, 2020 at 10:36 am
      ” It was a major story”

      You have to be a completely dishonest fraud and unbelievably dense to compare Obama’s MSM coverage and Trump’s.

      – I’m not comparing the magnitude of either. However, Ebola was a big story in the leadup to the 2014 election and it did not help Obama at all.

    581. Tina says:

      Yup, muh Ebola 2014.

      Election difference.

      Lol

    582. jason says:

      To say that it is even a possibility is irresponsible as that is all people hear.”

      Why not be honest and quote him entirely, since you say I am “parsing” words.

      He clearly said he hopes we don’t even “approach” the Spanish flu, so he is not saying they are comparable.

      And blaming Fauci for “what other people hear” is silly.

      Those hear distorting what Fauci says and then whining about the MSM distorting what he says are being hypocritical.

      Finally, I did not say YOU quoted Navarro or Meadows but several others have.

      I can easily find some in this thread.

      #279
      #514 are examples.

    583. jason says:

      Ebola was a big story in the leadup to the 2014 election and it did not help Obama at all.”

      Facts not in evidence.

      The MSM covered for Obama just like every other scandal in his administration.

      To deny that is to be an MSM toady hack like you are.

    584. jason says:

      Does no one remember Paul LePage’s quarantine?”

      LOL

      What dishonest garbage.

      Page was ridiculed and attacked by the MSM on this for weeks.

      So was Christie. Skewered 24/7.

      The MSM took Obama’s side on everything.

      You can’t make this sh-t up.

    585. Country Dick Montana says:

      614 – Not everyone like you and me can read what someone is saying and put it in context. Fauci is has been in the public eye for 40 years. He is no bumbling/socially awkward scientist. He knows that words matter and how to use them. He is not responsible for how people interpret what he says, but he knows what to say to get the desired result.

      You and I agree on nearly everything. There is enough arguing and maliciousness between those here that truly disagree, and if we don’t all get on the same side of the things that matter we are going to be in a world of hurt come January 20, 2021

    586. Gordon Allen says:

      RAS dropped to 45. I went back7 weeks and his Friday average is exactly 45.0. If this was a stock you would know when to buy and sell. My guess for Monday is 43/44, which I bet is almost exactly that over a period of weeks ( and then it will go back to 47/48). It’s like Change Research,whose state polls barely vary. Other than party I’d, shy Trump voters, just statistically wouldn’t there be more variability- in either direction- to be expected??

    587. VictrC says:

      Perspective – Spanish flu infected 500M, killed between 30-50M worldwide with a population base of 1.8B

      Today’s equivalents would be if COVID infected 2.2B people and killed between 140M – 220M

      Fauci did not directly compare it to the Spanish Flu.

      The media is taking out of context this quote “approach the Spanish flu” to scare people, because they are intellectually dishonest.

      Therefore it was not wise to invoke the Spanish Flu at all because he has to be aware that the Media will distort his words to create panic and division.

      Was most likely not done on purpose, but I have learned teh hard way that the media will distort every word you say to suit their narrative. Unfortunately, they do that with him.

    588. Country Dick Montana says:

      “To mention Covid and the Spanish flu in the same sentence is irresponsible.”

      “Therefore it was not wise to invoke the Spanish Flu at all because he has to be aware that the Media will distort his words to create panic and division.”

      Exactly.

    589. jason says:

      auci is has been in the public eye for 40 years. He is no bumbling/socially awkward scientist.”

      Yes and no.

      Despite Tina’s efforts to make him into magazine cover celebrity, he is actually NOT a media personality.

      He IS somewhat of a bumbling/socially awkward scientist.

      And that is part of the problem when what he says is “interpreted”. He speaks as a doctor and a scientist, not as a media pro.

      Then people like the MSM (and you, in this case) want to find the “hidden” messages and “what the desired result” is.

      As Bitter says, Fauci’s role is to lend his expertise on how best to reduce cases and deaths. I think his expertise has been very valuable. Others disagree.

      But the fact is most of the attacks on him here are baseless politically driven garbage.

    590. jason says:

      “Therefore it was not wise to invoke the Spanish Flu at all because he has to be aware that the Media will distort his words to create panic and division.”

      Sorry, that is BS.

      I am not 100% certain, but I doubt he brought it up, it was probably in answer to a question.

      Again, the MSM will distort anybody’s statements if it suits their purpose.

      If this was the new standard, you can’t say anything that won’t be distorted by the MSM, then Trump might as well wear a muzzle.

    591. jason says:

      The media is taking out of context this quote “approach the Spanish flu” to scare people, because they are intellectually dishonest.”

      Now this is true, but you should have stopped there.

    592. jason says:

      he media is taking out of context this quote “approach the Spanish flu” to scare people, because they are intellectually dishonest.”

      But is it really just the media?

      I mean we have Navarro and Meadows doing it.

      We have Tgca, Tina, and Country Dick here doing it.

      Why is it not ok for the MSM to distort his words but ok for people in the administration and here at HHR to do the same thing?

    593. jason says:

      There is enough arguing and maliciousness between those here that truly disagree, and if we don’t all get on the same side of the things that matter we are going to be in a world of hurt come January 20, 2021″

      I won’t argue with this, I have made the same point here many times.

      If you don’t want the type of society, system of government and the new version of history/culture the Dems are offering, we should all crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump, no matter what we think of him.

      He will be gone in 4 years, the consequences of electing Biden will be permanent.

    594. jason says:

      FL numbers better than yesterday both cases and deaths, now 4 straight days below peak.

    595. Country Dick Montana says:

      Why are you lumping me in with haters? Why not Victr too as we said pretty much the same thing?

      We both agree that Fauci is valuable to the team, I have NEVER said otherwise. My complaint is what he does outside of that. You are on the team, you make your contribution and let the leader take it from there. One would think that as many times as the MSM has been “dishonest” about what he says, that he would cease speaking with them. He is no neophyte.

      I don’t agree totally in 100% lockstep with your viewpoint, but I do agree on the fundamentals and things that count. I would rather be arguing with Factsmatter or one of the other idiots than arguing with you.

    596. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 17, 2020 at 10:10 am
      I tune fallacy out,

      He has been wrong on everything.

      He also warned about the potential vaccine that you mentioned yesterday. Is that the Glaxo or one from England?

      So, watch that one be the best, but seems like there wil be multiple ones.

      – What did he say about it? Can you post a link? I searched, but couldn’t find anything.

    597. Tina says:

      What is the name of the vaccine company.

      It was something he said back in May.

      I read the article yesterday

    598. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      July 17, 2020 at 10:49 am
      Does no one remember Paul LePage’s quarantine?”

      LOL

      What dishonest garbage.

      Page was ridiculed and attacked by the MSM on this for weeks.

      So was Christie. Skewered 24/7.

      The MSM took Obama’s side on everything.

      You can’t make this sh-t up.

      – My point was Ebola became an issue before that election.

    599. jason says:

      Robbie is going to take this poll off his “trusted polls”

      “Congressional Polling: the Democrats’ lead in congressional preference has declined from 11 points in June’s NBC News/WSJ poll (51 percent to 40 percent), to 4 points now (47 percent to 43 percent).”

    600. jason says:

      My point was Ebola became an issue before that election.”

      You also said it didn’t help Obama.

      But since the MSM took his side against Christie and Page and everyone else, it most likely DID help him.

      In any case, comparing the MSM coverage of Obama and Trump is asinine.

    601. Country Dick Montana says:

      We have already had the 10:00AM DDD (Daily Dose of Despair) in 587.

    602. Tina says:

      For the next round of stimulus

      Payroll holiday

      Infrastructure

      Meal deductibles

      Ppp extended only to small buainesses and priority to restaurants.

    603. jason says:

      Why are you lumping me in with haters? Why not Victr too as we said pretty much the same thing?”

      I didn’t lump you in with the haters.

      I lumped you in with those that are distorting Fauci’s comments.

      I don’t agree with your statements that “Fauci is scare mongering” and that “mentioning the two pandemics in the same sentence is irresponsible”.

      So you are saying that you agree with Vic on what he said? Good.

      “Fauci did not directly compare it to the Spanish Flu.

      The media is taking out of context this quote “approach the Spanish flu” to scare people, because they are intellectually dishonest.”

    604. jason says:

      Country Dick you can’t have it both ways.

      Either you think Fauci is “scare mongering” or you agree with Vic that the media it the one that is scare mongering.

    605. Robbie says:

      Tina says:
      July 17, 2020 at 11:38 am
      What is the name of the vaccine company.

      It was something he said back in May.

      I read the article yesterday

      – AstraZeneca. They will release their Phase 1 data on Monday in the Lancet.

    606. jason says:

      Infrastructure”

      Oooooh, can’t wait for NYC to defend this.

      I can see it now “I am against pork barrel “infrastructure” spending, unless Trump does it”.

    607. Country Dick Montana says:

      636 -You have the last word.

    608. jason says:

      It was something he said back in May”

      So Tina, you don’t think maybe, just possibly, there is new information since?

    609. jason says:

      636 -You have the last word.”

      Word.

    610. Country Dick Montana says:

      https://www.foxnews.com/health/colorado-first-human-plague-case-since-2015

      Bubonic Plague. Now that was a pandemic!!

    611. jason says:

      When Fauci gets his second Medal of Freedom I hope he credits me in his acceptance speech for all the times I have gone to bat for him here.

    612. jason says:

      Maybe Walt, who has survived all the plagues, can give us some comparative insights.

    613. Tina says:

      Robbie still looking for the article.

      I think the name of the vaccine was different,

      I read it yesterday or Wednesday.

      With that said, sounds like he wants multiple companies to provide vaccines,

      I don’t disagree with this approach.

    614. Robbie says:

      The story posted yesterday about the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine was very promising because it suggested the vaccine produced “double protection”. It produced protective antibodies and it produced T-cells. T-cells are what many believe is providing immunity to a large group of people even as they haven’t shown much ant-body response.

    615. PresidentPaul! says:

      I bought some Astrazeneca and some more gild. I don’t like that mrna’s leaders are selling off all their shares. That doesn’t sound very confident to me.

    616. Gordon Allen says:

      Please somebody tell me why Fauci is valuable to the team now? Does he moonlight at private land with test tubes in hand developing a miracle cure by himself?? If he unfortunately we’re run over by a truck would the anti- COVID response be stalled somehow? Frankly,his confusing/ contradictory remarks,and yes scare tactics are a hindrance now. What specific value does he add to the team to outweigh them??

    617. Country Dick Montana says:

      Oh boy…here we go….

    618. Country Dick Montana says:

      Going to get off of the mountain here for a bit and head to the local gun shop for some ammo. Have fun guys.

    619. Gordon Allen says:

      I think Wednesday referred to a primarily therapeutic drug that also had some preventative capability,not a pure vaccine. They said they might be ready ” late summer”. Apparently it’s serious because they received a $ 450 million dollar contract from the US Government.

    620. Robbie says:

      Gordon Allen says:
      July 17, 2020 at 12:01 pm
      Please somebody tell me why Fauci is valuable to the team now?

      – I don’t care for Fauci, but Trump will need Fauci’s “seal of approval” on any vaccine that is approved. Fauci is still viewed by a strong majority of the country as credible and believable.

    621. jason says:

      What specific value does he add to the team to outweigh them??”

      He is the recognized premier authority on infectious diseases in the country, so of course he should have a very prominent role. As the lying fraud says (you can’t be wrong 100% of the time, law of averages), he is viewed as very credible and believable by a large segment of the population.

      But again this profoundly ignorant statement “does he moonlight at private land with test tubes in hand developing a miracle cure by himself?” completely distorts what his role is, as usual.

    622. jason says:

      Reason #58 why the election might not be a “referendum on Trump”.

      “A statue of Jesus Christ was vandalized Wednesday outside a Catholic Church in Miami, an incident church leaders say they expect to be investigated as a hate crime, WSVN reported.

      Less than a week after another incident targeting Catholics in Florida, the statue of Jesus was found beheaded and knocked off its pedestal outside of Good Shepherd Catholic Church, WSVN reported.”

    623. jason says:

      As the thousands who read my posts know, I am no fan of Dwight Eisenhower. But this letter on his defense of his admiration for Robert E. Lee would be a good standard on which to judge the past with out holding it to the standards of the present.

      August 9, 1960

      Dear Dr. Scott:

      Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

      General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.

      From deep conviction, I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s calibre would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the Nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.

      Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.

      Sincerely,

      Dwight D. Eisenhower

    624. jason says:

      Don’t get me wrong. I am no fan of Robert E. Lee. I view him as a traitor too.

      But even today, a fair account of history tells us Rommel was a pretty competent general, even if he was fighting for the Nazis.

      My point is that when it comes to the cancel culture, you can’t pretend these people were alive today living in the same world we live in.

    625. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      BREAKING: Ruth Bader Ginsberg’s liver cancer has returned. She will undergo chemotherapy every other week. Will NOT retire.

    626. Tina says:

      Ilan Schwartz MD PhD
      @GermHunterMD
      Fire #RECOVERYtrial study of dexamethasone in hospitalized patients with Covid19 now peer reviewed and published
      @NEJM

      See recent #IDJClub for how #IDTwitter interpreted this landmark study. On first glance, results look just as good.

      https://nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2021436?query=featured_home#.XxHQwAahGY5.twitter

    627. Stonewall DW says:

      jason, it is called anachronism. The morons on the left have no concept of the term. Anachronisms can be funny in a movie, like The Princess Bride, the story set in medieval Europe, but they refer to Australia populated with criminals, and Fezzik battling groups and gangs, “for local charities.”

      But anachronisms can be deadly when in the hands of an unruly mob out on a mission to wipe people out.

      The USA was built on structure, order, hard work, moral integrity and personal responsibility. It was built perfectly, as the people were not perfect. But the Antifa left doesn’t like what was built, so they want to tear it down and build it better through chaos, disorder, no effort, no morals and no responsibility. Post-modernism says that outcome should be just as possible, but reality says its absolute foolishness which it is. Nothing of quality or value is built with chaos.

    628. Stonewall DW says:

      661–of course, meant to say it was not built perfectly…

    629. PresidentPaul! says:

      This flood in China is getting even worse. That dam looks like it might blow to me.

    630. PresidentPaul! says:

      660
      I think dex did like a 30% improvement in mortality and remdesivir did like 17% improvement.

    631. PresidentPaul! says:

      actemra has also had some positive studies on it as well.

    632. Tina says:

      If the China dam bursts, there aredrug manufactuters nearby.

      They provide a lot of medicines to us.

      The Bushy Obumbler outsourced these.

      That is why the medicines need to be made here.

    633. Country Dick Montana says:

      657 – Excellent letter. I have never seen that. The people and events of the past are reflections of the past, not today.

      It is true that the Constitutionality of secession was not resolved legally at the SCOTUS until 1869 after the War. The South had grievances with the North going back to the early 1800’s The Tariff Acts of 1824 and 1828 (The Tariff of Abominations)were passed to protect the manufacturing sector in the North and placed 38% tariffs on imported goods and 45% tariffs on exported goods including cotton. This was to keep England from flooding the market with cheap textiles using Southern cotton. This eventually led to the Nullification Crisis where South Carolina was calling for nullification of federal laws that it didn’t like within its own borders. This led to the brink of war until a compromise tariff was passed in 1833. Jackson had raised troops to put it down. Though a southerner, like Lincoln he would do anything to keep the Union together.

      Ultimately though the war was started and fought over what was called the South’s “peculiar institution.” I had ancestors who were hard scrabble Appalachian farmers who were not slave owners who fought for the South. I would be interested in what it was they were fighting for, and in a couple of cases dying for.

    634. Country Dick Montana says:

      https://triblive.com/local/regional/pa-nursing-home-data-used-to-track-covid-19-deaths-cases-riddled-with-errors/

      Data posted online this week by the Pennsylvania Department of Health shows 76,336 residents at an Elk County nursing home have died from covid-19. The home is licensed to house 138 residents.

      But this little tidbit is so damning:

      In Pennsylvania to date, nursing home resident deaths make up about 68% of the nearly 7,000 deaths attributed to covid-19, state data shows.

      For those of you who don’t want to do the math that is 4,750 nursing home deaths in one state. And that is a Fact that Matters.

    635. NYCmike says:

      “shows 76,336 residents”

      -What is this number for?

    636. Country Dick Montana says:

      The article is about reporting errors with the PA department of health. 73,336 deaths in a nursing home with a capacity of 138.

    637. jason says:

      Reaping what you sow…

      “Vox Media laid off about 6% of its staff on Thursday, citing the pandemic’s impact on revenue across the media industry.”

    638. NYCmike says:

      Isn’t Erie a Democratic run city?

      Maybe all those “residents” ask for absentee ballots every year.

    639. jason says:

      73,336 deaths in a nursing home with a capacity of 138 residents”

      Country Dick lives in the mountains, he doesn’t understand the concept of high turnover.

    640. jason says:

      If the China dam bursts, there aredrug manufactuters nearby.

      They provide a lot of medicines to us.

      The Bushy Obumbler outsourced these.

      That is why the medicines need to be made here.”

      Yes, because in the US we don’t have floods, tornadoes, earthquakes, volcanoes or hurricanes.

    641. jason says:

      That is why the medicines need to be made here.”

      Because Tina is very generous with other people’s money.

    642. jason says:

      The “drugs are made in China” is BS anyway, not that I have any objection to them being produced there. But the fact is most of our drugs DO NOT come from China.

      “There are nearly 2,000 manufacturing facilities around the world that provide pharmaceutical drugs to the United States. Of those, 230 are in China. There are 510 in the United States and 1,048 in the rest of the world. Even though the number of manufacturers in the United States is at a historical low, the supply chain is clearly quite diverse.

      At the same time, the FDA took a narrower look at the supply chains for the 370 drugs listed on the World Health Organization’s (WHO) list of “essential medicines,” which includes “anesthetic, antibacterial, antidepressant, antiviral, cardiovascular, anti-diabetic, and gastrointestinal agents.” The results were similar: 21 percent of production facilities are in the United States, with 15 percent of them in China, and 64 percent located somewhere else in the world.

      “There are only three drugs on the WHO essential medicines list whose active ingredients are sourced entirely in China, the FDA found. They are capreomycin and streptomycin, which are used to treat tuberculosis, and sulfadiazine, which is used to treat trachoma, among other things.

    643. jason says:

      Producing all drugs in the US would increase prices tremendously, and considering how expensive prescription drugs are it would either break the consumer or it would break the government.

      Let’s make drugs where it makes more sense from a cost and economic standpoint.

      What a novel idea! It’s called free markets. Eureka!

    644. jason says:

      BREAKING: Ruth Bader Ginsberg’s liver cancer has returned. She will undergo chemotherapy every other week. Will NOT retire.”

      She should resign.

      CG will be here soon to say I want her to die in 3, 2, 1…..

    645. NYCmike says:

      “CG will be here soon..”

      -Nah….too busy supporting the protesters!

    646. Country Dick Montana says:

      “Country Dick lives in the mountains, he doesn’t understand the concept of high turnover.”

      Actually, Mr. and Mrs. CDM live in the city limits of a large City in SWPA. His work is in the mountains. Just because I am a old buy from Texas doesn’t mean that I can’t like art, sports and good food.

      With regards to RBG, chemotherapy at that age is dangerous. While I don’t agree with her rulings more oftern than not, she was good friends with Scalia who respected her. For what she has been through she is one tough woman.

    647. lisab says:

      Ruth Bader Ginsberg just died

      rip

    648. lisab says:

      “A statue of Jesus Christ was vandalized Wednesday outside a Catholic Church in Miami, an incident church leaders say they expect to be investigated as a hate crime, WSVN reported.
      —————————————

      it is not going to be treated as a hate crime

      i am not even sure it will be treated as a crime

    649. After trump wins in november Ginsburg will step down (if she lives that long). She is holding out for a biden victory but it will all be for naught. She will proceed to retire with trump in for another 4 years as she will realize there is zero chance of outlasting until 2024. Get ready for Amy. Talk about a war…..you havent seen anything that will rival when ms barrett gets nominated to the sc.

    650. lisab says:

      I wish Lisab could find Diogenes’ implosion and post it again.
      ———————————-

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 4:21 pm

      The democratic push polls may have failed this time. Instead of invigorating O’Donnell’s supporters, it invigorated Castle’s it seems. Delaware is no Alaska.

      Southern GOP’ers would love to have their cake and eat it too and have every member of Speaker Boehner’s majority be a 100 ACU republican. Reality speaks otherwise. Castle was alert and he was ready unlike the lazy scion of nepotism Murkowski.

      Yeah, you don’t give up Bitch. Oh wait you’re daddy isn’t around to appoint you to something else.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 4:22 pm

      O’Donnell’s campaign is made up of stoners and carpetbaggers. We should be fine.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 8:45 pm

      Brain dead teabaggers.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 8:52 pm

      You guys are fking idiots. I’m done with you moron teabaggers. Thanks for Obamacare you stupid fks.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 8:56 pm

      Tea-Bagging Dumbfks.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 8:57 pm

      You’re idiot queen hillbilly has annointed another winner. All hail Sarah Palin and her Mama Grizzly family of rednecks. YEE HAW! It’s MOOSE HUNTING TIME.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 8:58 pm

      If O’Donnel wins its beccause she won like 90% of Southern DE and Castle only won like 60% of the Suburbs. Extremist group thinkers.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 8:59 pm

      You should ban me. I don’t consider myself a Republican anymore. You ignorant hicks make me sick.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 9:02 pm

      Can we remove Sarah Palin’s feeding tube now? She needs to be put down.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 9:06 pm

      I’m glad I stayed an independent. You teabagger morons enjoy your 30% of the vote pie and watch Obamacare turn this country into France you stupid pieces of sht.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 9:08 pm

      No.

      Demint 0
      McConnell -1
      GOP -1

      AMERICA -538,230,402,502

      HELLO PERMANENT OBAMACARE.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 9:08 pm

      WE AREN’T REPLACING SPECTER OR CASTLE WITH ANYONE. WE DONT HAVE THIS SEAT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

      LEARN MATH YOU INBRED HICK.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 9:10 pm

      This is not a tidal wave of conservatism. It’s more a tidal wave of inbred hicks who have proven themselves incapable of ruling.

      The tea party movement will go third party for some homeless guy on the street who says he’s against cap and trade.

      They are imbeciles. You reap what you sow.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 9:20 pm

      Yeah, and O’Donnell was the personification of class when she ran 3rd party last time right? That piece of sh*t democratic plant is glad now that she can finally pay her rent with all those tea party donations. Maybe she can even remodel her kitchen!

      I wonder if Castle will run third party. I will support him 100% if he does. Teabaggers need to be taught a lesson.

      Delaware – Gone.
      Nevada – We have to waste an extra million at least just to becompetitive.
      New Hampshire – Another coin flip possible with Ayotte behind.

      Yippee Kai Yay! It’s the spoiled teabagger tantrum tour! Lead by Mama Grizzly and her family of inbred hicks.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 9:23 pm

      Where are the New hampshire votes? Ironic How DeMint and Palin supported Ayotte. Pays to be the 2nd presidential Primary huh.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 9:25 pm

      Unless you see Palin deliberately writing stuff down, you can bet most of her crap is ghost-written or double-checked to maximize profit from the Tea Bagger masses.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 9:26 pm

      Well, we’ll have to see what happens with Castle now. The story with O’donnell was written long ago.

      Can he still go third party? Will he rerun for his house seat in 2012 and then again in 2014?

      The GOP has absolutely no Bench in Delware. We could’ve gotten probably 2 good terms out of Castle. Instead we have 0.
      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 9:28 pm

      Who cares if they get 45. Without a majority they can’t stop Judicial nominees.

      The nightmare scenario is coming through.

      The GOP will probably win 47-48 seats this fall. One of our 5 justices croak. Obama annoints a new 50 year-old chief justice and laughs at all you teabagger morons that let him have the power to do so.

      GODDAMN MORONS.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 9:35 pm

      The economy got too bad.

      When the going gets bad, the weird turn Pro.

      I was thinking we would stabilize at around 100k,150k job gains a month, not this tepid virtually 0 gains a month. The economy is so bad voters are at a tipping point and just voting anti-establishment anything.

      I look forward to the analysis of Ayotte’s loss in New Hampshire because it doesn’t make any sense to me so far.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 10:02 pm

      All the bitter angry conservatives are doing their best McGovern Democrat impression. HELLS YEAH, WE GOT THE MOST IDEALOGICAL GUY POSSIBLE. NIXON (or Obama in this case) IS GOING DOWN.

      Same idiotic reasoning.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 10:04 pm

      Dems holding the senate is great news for Obama if a conservative justice chokes.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 10:12 pm

      Delaware is the 10th most Democratic state with a 22% D advantage. Castle would peel about a third of the Dems grab most independents and a decent amount of conservatives. I think he could pull it off.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 10:14 pm

      The base of Support is NOT 35% for O’Donnel. She won about 30% against Biden and that was with an uncontested primary. She won 4% as a third party candidate. She’s somewhere in between that if Castle runs.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 10:16 pm

      Castle represents his state. He cannot act like Jim DeMint. IF you don’t like it, convince 50k extra delaware voters to become conservative and Castle would have had an 80 ACU rating.

      O’Donnell is toast. Eff her. What worries me is what Castle will do now. He has been a part of the party for 40 years. I hope he stays the course and runs again in 2014 for Biden’s seat and his old house seat in 2012.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 10:18 pm

      2004 was because of September 11th. 2008 was because of september 15th. 2006 was because of gay congressman and Jack Abraminoff.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 10:41 pm

      The KOS people are going nuts with glee. “Teabaggers ftw!”

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 10:42 pm

      O’donnell will help drive a narrative of an incomptent GOP being lead off the cliff by morons.

      Coryn is heading it off.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 10:45 pm

      Delaware:

      Most Blue States – Rank: 10
      Democratic Advantage: 22%
      Number of people that think O’Donnell is qualified? 31%

      Nevada:

      2/3rds of Republicans wish their candidate was someone other than Angle.

      New Hampshire will be added to that list soon.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 10:52 pm

      I’m glad I can afford the good stuff now. 35 year old scotch and Grey Goose Vodkha.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 11:01 pm

      I am drinking them separately. They cost so much alone and I am too old to think that mixing things together automatically makes them better.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 11:04 pm

      It’s just flies against the grain to nominate someone like O’Donnell. The Republicans in my mind are the party of hard workers. Thats what unifies all the disparate elements. We believe in working hard for our children, our families, our country, our future. Democrats are the party of moochers.

      O’Donnell is a lazy bum who uses her candidacy to fund her crappy life. She resorted almost immediately to trial lawyers when she got fired from a job. She ACTS like a democrat. Why moron teabaggers believe she is the real deal is beyond me.

      It’s embarassing and hypocritcal. If you want the GOP party to be about any moron who claims that they are conservative, that’s you’re right.

      Just count me out.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 11:46 pm

      When O’Donnell is turning tricks on the corner after this election I hope I get to Eff her the way she Effed over our chances of getting a senate majority and repealing Obamacare.

      Diogenes says:
      September 14, 2010 at 11:52 pm

      You inbred hillbillies should do humanity a favor and forcibly castrate yourself. Also don’t vote in GOP primaries. Ok? Thanks.

      Diogenes says:
      September 15, 2010 at 12:26 am

      You reasoning makes no sense. Yeah, moderates should leave the GOP, that’s the way to have a big tent party.

      Once the wave is over, the tea partiers will stay home like they did with Bush senior and we can watch Obamacare be enshrined in law the same way social security, medicare, and medicaid now is. Only now, instead of 40% of the population being dependent on government its 45-50% at least!

      Yay! IMBECILES. This was the last big battle to be fought before Marxism creeped in. Now we only have to wait for our country to become France.

      Diogenes says:
      September 15, 2010 at 12:32 am

      Everyone hates Chaffee for being a RINO but he voted procedurally WITH the GOP. He voted to end debate on Alito and preclude a filibuster knowing that Alito would be confirmed even as Chaffee himself voted no. All you need is Castle’s seat to get the majority leader and to get things out of committee. How many times would castle have been the deciding vote on anything? Almost zero.

      The moron teabaggers today sound like the Obamaphiles of 2008.

      “ALL THE ENERGY AND CHANGE IS ON THE SIDE OF OBAMA. HE’S GOING TO CHANGE THE COUNTRY.”

      It’s the same Sh*t today. Even if we had gotten a reagan elected, the economy would still be in the doldrums today (only we’d be adding probably an extra 100k jobs a month without all the government BS forced upon us). Ruling means taking responsibility and requires staying with your side when things are down.

      The teabaggers are fairweather voters. They are the same group that disappeared in 2008 when we needed them most and now they act all high and mighty like we NEED them this cycle.

      Morons.

      Diogenes says:
      September 15, 2010 at 1:19 am

      O’Donnel is a fool who has never earned anythign in her life. it is no surprise she yuks it up about Hilary. What else can you expect from a 0-time winner, jobless hack.

      Sarah Palin and the conservative wing of the GOP is flying off the walls with their conceit.

      I’ve said it again and I’ll say it before. More goldwater then Reagan. History moves in cycles.

      At least we’ll have the house. Pray for our justices.

      Diogenes says:
      September 15, 2010 at 2:59 am

      Whats the fking meaning of victory anyways. Yay, the GOP lost the majority it never should have lost in the first place to see obama double the debt, implement national healthcare, and be halfway on the way to granting illegals amnesty.

      And we blow our chance seat by seat to repeal any of it.

      Diogenes says:
      September 15, 2010 at 11:36 am

      Well you stupid motherfkers got your batsht crazy candidate. We will probably be at 48-49 senate seats now with our chances of a majority going from around 40% or so to less than 20%.

      Now in 2012 we will have to win 11 seats to repeal Obamacare. Only 6 are easily gettable, the remaining 5 will have to be taken down in some kind of wave and the wave will have to be as good as this year, which it won’t be if the GOP takes the house.

      They will take part of the blame for the continuing malaise and the idiot drive-by teabaggers will sit home. Sarah Palin will run as a third-party candidate and The Democratic nominee will get a shot at a second chance whether it be Hillary or Obama.

      The main point is that Obamacare is here to stay.

      YOU STUPID FKING IDIOTS.

      Diogenes says:
      September 15, 2010 at 11:39 am

      If only Delaware were an early primary. Palin would have endorsed Castle. Maybe DeMint too. Conservative prima donnas that care less about the ultimate immediate goal of all true conservatives: repealing Obamacare.

      But thats ok, keep enjoying the tasty treats your handlers Rush, Hannity, and Teabagger morons keep throwing you. Scarf them down like the good little leashed dogs you are and think you are helping conservatism or our children by putting what someone says above their actions.

      Diogenes says:
      September 15, 2010 at 11:44 am

      You get to rage over Al Savi Wes. I am getting my rage out of O’Donnell.

      Diogenes says:
      September 15, 2010 at 11:48 am

      Christine O’Donnell’s mind:

      100k.
      “WOO HOO. New Upholstery and a new Kitchen.”
      200k
      “And a nice cute BMW Z4.”
      280k
      “Maybe I have a little extra left now to actually by a couple of yard signs …”

      Diogenes says:
      September 15, 2010 at 11:50 am

      Volunteers only matter if you happen to know the person or if they are offering you money.

      Democrats pay street money in the inner city to bus voters. BUsh’s ground game countered this by having socially conservative volunteers that knew a lot of people in their network.

      We lost bush’s ground game and have been getting slaughtered ever since.

      Tea Baggers have money. Their ground game sucks as evidenced by every single general they’ve staked a claim in and then lost.

      Diogenes says:
      September 15, 2010 at 11:54 am

      The Supreme Court will not necessarily strike it down. Even Scalia voted with the majority in the most recent commerce clause case giving the government discretionary power to regulate something only indrectly related to Congress. The liberals are already doing a full court press on Kennedy.

      As for defunding, you can only defund so much of it. The most dangerous parts of Obamacare is its distortion of prices and the inevitable monopolization of healthcare. MA and ME can’t afford their programs. It doesn’t matter, the rules will be impossible to change once people are dependent on them. People in MA sign up when they get sick for insurance and then quit.

      Sarah Palin and her ilk are living in vague generalities. It’s not just “death panels” that are bad about Obamacare, it’s all the damned details.

    651. Tina says:

      The socialist son is mad that Dhs-bp are arresting Antifa in Portland.

    652. NYCmike says:

      “It’s not just “death panels” that are bad about Obamacare, it’s all the damned details.”

      -Diogenes was right on a lot of that.

      For some reason, though, on this last part, I didn’t see him railing against Congress in 2017 when they had the chance to repeal it on Day 1 of Trump’s Presidency.

      Trump either would have signed the bill, or been exposed early on.

      He never got the chance, and Diogenes never showed that he wanted that chance anyway. Total silence from him at that time. Now he just rambles by every now and then yapping st-ff.

    653. NYCmike says:

      https://www.foxnews.com/media/san-francisco-hotels-for-homeless-absolute-disaster.amp

      -What an article!

      And the pictures, with the social distancing boxes for the tents – L O L ! !

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    655. Bitterlaw says:

      In fairness to Robert E. Lee, I do not judge him by the standards of our time. I judge him by the standards of his time. By that standard, he was a traitor who took up arms against the United States and caused the deaths of thousands of American soldiers.

      While I do not believe in tearing down statues, if somebody wanted to place a statue of Lee in a park next to statues of Rommel, Tojo and Benedict Arnold, I would be fine with it.

    656. Bitterlaw says:

      Thankfully, none of my ancestors fought for the Confederacy. As Irish Catholics, they were hated equally in the North and South. Most stayed in the coal mines and waited their turn to die in accidents.

    657. Country Dick Montana says:

      Even Ike said that he wasn’t a traitor. There was nothing in the Constitution that prevented secession. Be it Hamilton wanting to kill Americans during the Whiskey rebellion, or the Jackson being prepared to kill South Carolinians to Lincoln suspending liberties and jailing those with whom he disagreed; up until the end of the Civil War and Texas vs. White, the control of Federal over State was neither decided nor codified.

      Lee did not fire on Fort Sumter. He was asked by Lincoln to head up an army whose mission was to save the Union, which meant killing Americans, especially his fellow Virginians.

      You hate things southern. We understand that.

    658. Bitterlaw says:

      I am tired of the headlines declaring a “record number” of COVID deaths. It is a running total. After the first death, the next death set the record. The third death broke the record….

    659. Country Dick Montana says:

      I am not going to fight the Civil war again. At the end of the day had the South actually won and the “peculiar institution” not been eradicated, from Virginia south to Florida would have eventually been Haiti.

    660. Phil says:

      Everything I have read indicates that General Pickett wasn’t a real Lee fan.

    661. Bitterlaw says:

      Lee should have been executed as a traitor but Lincoln went easy on him.

    662. Country Dick Montana says:

      Lincoln was a wiser man than you, I suppose.

    663. lisab says:

      I judge him by the standards of his time.
      ———————-

      actually at the time, his loyalty was to his state virginia, which as eisenhower pointed out was a plausible view in his time

    664. lisab says:

      today sets new record number of bitterlaw complaints

    665. CG says:

      Everyone here should be hoping for Ruth Bader Ginsburg to continue to be victorious in all her health battles so that she remains on the Court until after the end of the Biden Presidency.

    666. lisab says:

      At the end of the day had the South actually won and the “peculiar institution” not been eradicated, from Virginia south to Florida would have eventually been Haiti.
      ———————————–

      it was already dying out. it was going out as they industrialized. delaware had fallen to under 2000 slaves by 1860, maryland had less than 100000

    667. lisab says:

      except for antietam and gettysburg

      lee was an ok general

    668. Country Dick Montana says:

      To the landed elite in the South, the Civil war was all about maintaining a lifestyle and at that time part of the lifestyle relied on slavery. I really do wish that I could go back and ask the poor farm boys in the Confederate Army what they were fighting and dying for? seeing some of the battlefield letters from enlisted men, they were not stupid or inarticulate.

    669. lisab says:

      really do wish that I could go back and ask the poor farm boys in the Confederate Army what they were fighting and dying for? seeing some of the battlefield letters from enlisted men, they were not stupid or inarticulate.
      ————————————

      shelby foote had a story on exactly that.

      asked why he was fighting, a poor confederate soldier said, “because they came here”

    670. lisab says:

      shelby foote also had an interesting take on what is going on

      he said that it is a shame that the african americans do not look on slavery the way that jewish people look on the holocaust

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djp8vzIIHwk

    671. Bitterlaw says:

      Lee was a traitor to the US no matter how many games lisab plays.

    672. lisab says:

      new record for number of bitterlaw complaints set!

    673. lisab says:

      The first shooting I witnessed was by a cop. I was 12. He was angry that his cousin skipped a sign-in sheet at my neighborhood recreation center. I was teaching my sister how to shoot free throws when the officer stormed in alongside the court, drew his weapon, and shot the boy in the arm. My sister and I hid in the locker room for hours afterward. The officer was back at work the following week….

      Derecka Purnell, the atlantic

    674. lisab says:

      mr roger’s rules for talking to children

      1.) “State the idea you wish to express as clearly as possible, and in terms preschoolers can understand.” Example: It is dangerous to play in the street. ??????

      2.) “Rephrase in a positive manner,” as in It is good to play where it is safe.

      3.) “Rephrase the idea, bearing in mind that preschoolers cannot yet make subtle distinctions and need to be redirected to authorities they trust.” As in, “Ask your parents where it is safe to play.”

      4.) “Rephrase your idea to eliminate all elements that could be considered prescriptive, directive, or instructive.” In the example, that’d mean getting rid of “ask”: Your parents will tell you where it is safe to play.

      5.) “Rephrase any element that suggests certainty.” That’d be “will”: Your parents can tell you where it is safe to play.

      6.) “Rephrase your idea to eliminate any element that may not apply to all children.” Not all children know their parents, so: Your favorite grown-ups can tell you where it is safe to play.

      7.) “Add a simple motivational idea that gives preschoolers a reason to follow your advice.” Perhaps: Your favorite grown-ups can tell you where it is safe to play. It is good to listen to them.

      8.) “Rephrase your new statement, repeating the first step.” “Good” represents a value judgment, so: Your favorite grown-ups can tell you where it is safe to play. It is important to try to listen to them.

      9.) “Rephrase your idea a ?nal time, relating it to some phase of development a preschooler can understand.” Maybe: Your favorite grown-ups can tell you where it is safe to play. It is important to try to listen to them, and listening is an important part of growing.

      lisab’s rule

      1.) do what your mother tells you or god will kill a puppy

    675. PresidentPaul! says:

      Lisa- can you fire officers based on race?

      https://www.zerohedge.com/political/seattle-city-council-member-suggests-firing-white-officers-massive-reduction-police

      Seattle police department plan to fire officers based on race.

    676. NYCmike says:

      https://www.blackenterprise.com/black-guns-matter-group-is-teaching-black-americans-how-to-use-firearms/

      -Good for this guy…..of course, he had to throw some shade at the police while doing it. Oh well.

      ““If you would like a free basic firearm safety class, you can get it right here,” Toure told a group of passers-by, setting up a table with replica handguns. “The police, as we see, will leave. They will not come to save you. They will not save our businesses. So if you want that, I’ll do that here. Anyone can come. It is completely free.””

      One thing at a time.

    677. Proud Obamacon says:

      When I say the earth is flat, I mean it is flat. As flat as a piece of paper. The science should not stand in the way of this.

      #UNPHUCKING-BELIEVABLE

      #RESIST!

    678. Tina says:

      Breaking

      Stephen Gutowski
      @StephenGutowski
      · 17m
      Scoop: The McCloskeys, the St. Louis gun couple, are joining the Trump campaign’s virtual event with Trump Jr. and others tonight https://freebeacon.com/2020-election/st-louis-gun-couple-to-join-friday-night-trump-campaign-event/

    679. Gordon Allen says:

      Bitter law; Lincoln wasn’t around to go easy on Lee. He was dead. Andrew Johnson was( supported by US Grant). FWIW Lee did NOT join the Confederacy until Virginia succeeded. He spent the entire war defending Virginia- all his battles were there. He made it clear his loyalty was to his home state; it’s likely Jefferson and Madison would have agreed with him.

    680. Big E says:

      Lee freed the slaves that he inherited. He despised the practice. He was also offered the command of all union forces by Lincoln. State government was viewed as more important than the federal government at that time. A governors race would garner more interest. The weakening of state rights and the growth of the federal government occured after the Civil War.

    681. jason says:

      What, no boycott?

      “Obama Salutes Goya Foods

      SECAUCUS, N.J. (PRNewswire) — Representatives of Goya Foods, Inc., America’s largest Hispanic-owned food company, paid a special visit this past Friday, September 30, to meet President Barack Obama in celebration of Hispanic Heritage Month.

      Goya Foods President Robert Unanue introduced President Obama at a reception at the White House, saying he was “honored and humbled” to be among the distinctive group gathered for the occasion. Unanue and members of his family took the opportunity to present President Obama with Goya’s commemorative book, If It’s Goya, It Has To Be Good — 75 Years of History.

      President Obama saluted Goya Foods, and extended his gratitude to the Hispanic community and its great contributions to the nation.

      “The United States has welcomed immigrants from all parts of the world, and we, as Hispanics, have embraced our responsibility to work to make it a better country and contribute to its ongoing development and in the process, become agents of change, encouragement and inspiration,” said Goya’s Unanue. “This year, Goya Foods celebrates its 75th anniversary. We are proud of being part of the 50 million Hispanics who live in this country.”

      If It’s Goya, It Has To Be Good — 75 Years of History documents historical events about Hispanic immigrants, as well as Goya’s history, including the triumphs and challenges of generations of men and women whose commitment to excellence has brought Goya to where it is today.…

    682. NYCmike says:

      No boycott then, and not a word from Obama, or “CG” now……..anti-Hispanic?

    683. Tina says:

      Nancy Pelosi
      @SpeakerPelosi
      · 34m
      Unidentified stormtroopers. Unmarked cars. Kidnapping protesters and causing severe injuries in response to graffiti.

      These are not the actions of a democratic republic.

    684. Tina says:

      Perfect, the jebots are defending rioters and looters.

    685. jason says:

      July 10 deaths 848
      July 10 cases 72278

      July 17 deaths 946
      July 17 cases 74987

      IHME

      Projected Actual
      July 1 640 676 +26
      July 2 642 687 +45
      July 3 644 616 -28
      July 4 646 254 -392
      July 5 648 251 -397
      July 6 648 378 -270
      July 7 653 994 +341
      July 8 653 890 +237
      July 9 653 960 +307
      July10 672 849 +177
      July11 681 733 +52
      July12 685 380 -305
      July13 689 465 -224
      July14 692 937 +245
      July15 777 997 +220
      July16 798 963 +165
      July17 819 946 +127

    686. jason says:

      Unidentified stormtroopers. ”

      The speaker of the House calling law enforcement “stormtroopers”?

      Reason #97 the election might not be a “referendum on Trump”

    687. Big E says:

      Stormtroopers have very poor aim. Might not not make good cops.

    688. Bitterlaw says:

      All of Lee’s battles were in Virginia? I never knew that Antietam and Gettysburg were in Virginia. This is why I come here. To get the real history.

      When Grant reported Lee’s surrender, Lincoln should have telegraphed back, “Good job. Shoot Lee.”

    689. Cash Cow TM says:

      British Scientists / researchers have identified 6 different levels of Covid 19

      https://news.yahoo.com/scientists-identify-six-different-types-185531392.html

    690. UgandanAttorney says:

      The press is surprisingly not giving Portland much attention and I suspect the reason is that they want to continue pushing the narrative that Trump isn’t “doing anything” and only “tweeting” about the violence and anarchy in urban cities.

      Well, Trump is clearly “doing something” in Portland. Now, Portland is a pretty safe city to do it against as there won’t be racism accusations given the demographics in the city.

      Does Trump have the balls to do in Atlanta what he’s doing in Portland? I think that would be politically risky but Portland should mollify the “Trump isn’t tough enough on protestors” crowd.

      Baltimore may be a good compromise though for the next urban city for Trump to target. It’s a way to click-back at Hogan for his failures to control the violence in Baltimore and it’s not a state that will matter for the general election.

    691. Gordon Allen says:

      Bitter law : seriously,try and understand military affairs a LITTLE.The battles in Maryland and Gettysburg were with the Army of the Potomac,the force attacking Virginia since Bull Run. The best way , generally,to defend one’s territory is to “extend your perimeter” and hopefully engage and defeat your enemy outside of your home base; why fight your battles ( if you have a choice) at home destroying your own homes and villages as opposed to the enemy?
      The fact is that the Army of the Potomac ” invaded’ Virginia first.As historical context you can go to sites like Sturbridge in Massachusetts,and replicas of life in the 1840’s and you will see the State flag flying above the US flag.Even in New England the feeling was widespread that your first loyalty was to your state.
      Lee was firmly in that camp,and had not joined the Confederate Army UNTIL Virginia voted to secede. In his mind he was a patriot,and the US forces aggressors.These views seem anachronistic now,but they were decidedly not

    692. Gordon Allen says:

      THEN for millions of people,and not just in the South.

    693. Gordon Allen says:

      I went back and found that the REFERENDUM for succession( 160,000 voted) passed on May 23,1861 or 7 weeks after Fort Sumpter,and almost 3 months after Lincoln’s inauguration. Quite likely Lee would have stayed in the Union Army if his state had voted to stay in the Union

    694. Dan says:

      It is time for state governors to call out the National Guard to confront and round up the cowardly DHS thugs such as those in Portland. Ken Cuccinelli ought to be in jail.

    695. mnw says:

      In an earlier post, I made a mistake about the McCloskeys’ political views. They are not liberal DEMs. I had read that stated as a fact at another website, which subsequently corrected their mistake.

    696. dblaikie says:

      731 You are right. Lee would have stayed in the Union Army if Virginia had not succeeded. Like many from “Old Virginia” he put his loyalty to his state above his loyalty in the nation.

    697. jason says:

      We have a new civil war to fight now.

      Capitalism vs. socialism.

      Ok, this weekend I am going to plunder my meager resources and fund some campaigns.

      Trump, McSally, Collins, James. Any other suggestions?

      No NYC, sorry, I am not funding Schumer.

    698. jason says:

      It is time for state governors to call out the National Guard to confront and round up the cowardly DHS thugs such as those in Portland. Ken Cuccinelli ought to be in jail.”

      Reason #103 on why the election might not be a referendum on Trump.

    699. Phil says:

      Tillis could use some help.

    700. dblaikie says:

      Frankly I tire of one generation judging the moral and spiritual worth of another generation. Perhaps folks in this time would be better off if they listened to Jesus’s words, “You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.” The generation of the Civil War paid a terrible price to remove slavery. Like all generations they had great spiritual and moral flaws, but they also had great moral and spiritual strengths.

      For decades now we have lived and tolerated and many have defended a terrible holocaust against the most defenseless among us — the unborn. In this time we need a little more humility and a lot less judgmental posturing about the past.

    701. dblaikie says:

      Jason, my feeling exactly. If Biden wins this year with the platform his handlers and keepers are putting forth, America is not the same place anymore. We do have a new fight now.

    702. dblaikie says:

      737 I do not claim to know as much North Carolina politics as some on this site — like Wes. But I have noticed that as far as polling goes North Carolina is a place that always seems to under poll the GOP.

      By the way for you chicken littles out there, they have posted where the Trump Campaign is buying ad space and Texas isn’t one of them.

    703. VictrC says:

      Jason – joining your lists of why this is not just a referendum on Trump is the situation with RBG.

      Whomever wins will be replacing her. While I respect her with all that I have, she will not survive another four years. A bout with cancer in her mid 80’s is not something that has a positive prognosis, though I wish her all the best for a speedy and healthy recovery.

      Given that Thomas may also retire in the next Presidential term you have a chance to reshape the court, one that may not come again.

      That is why you not only need to vote Trump, no matter how much you loathe him personally, but also for the Senate, which HAS TO HOLD.

      Ill also be donating to the list you eventually come up with for your donations, so please share your final list.

    704. Cash Cow TM says:

      Interesting site to see weekly deaths (US, or by individual states–if you click on the drop down bar for jurisdiction).

      You are welcome.

      Signed,
      Cow

      https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

    705. Robbie says:

      Florida reported 10,328 new cases today, but last Saturday they reported 10,360 so that’s basically flat wee over week. Using the week over week metric might be the best way to measure growth or decline. Hopefully, Florida is at the very least plateauing.

      If you use the same week over week metric for Arizona, the sign is hopeful. Today, Arizona reported 2,742 new cases. Last Saturday, the state reported 3,038 new cases. Maybe they’re finally in the decline.

    706. Cash Cow TM says:

      JURISDICTION OF OCCURANCE [DEATHS]
      United States [July 17, 2020]

      ..126,647 [All Deaths involving COVID-19]

      1,420,658 [Deaths from All Causes]
      *****************************************

      ..212,737 [Deaths involving Pneumonia, Influenza, or COVID-19]
      _______________________________________

      ..135,158 [Deaths involving Pneumonia, with or without COVID-19, excluding Influenza deaths]
      ____________________________________

      ..54,649 [Deaths involving COVID-19 and Pneumonia, excluding Influenza]

      …6,539 [All Deaths involving Influenza, with or without COVID-19 or Pneumonia]
      ____________________________________________

    707. Cash Cow TM says:

      TOTAL..126,647 [All Deaths involving COVID-19]

      New York City 20,423
      New York 11,169
      New Jersey 13,749
      Connecticut 3,938
      Massachusetts 7,701

      Illinois 6,592
      Michigan 5,552

      California 6,671

      Pennsylvania 7,130
      **********************************
      So 80,000+ of the 126,000 deaths in the above states.

    708. Cash Cow TM says:

      So 80,000+ of the 126,000 deaths
      in the above 8 states.

    709. Tina says:

      Where is Fallacy?

      Daniel Levitt
      @daniellevitt22
      · Jul 17
      Great news from new Oxford study. #HerdImmunity Threshold (HIT) is 10–20%.

      “HIT may be greatly reduced if a fraction of the population is unable to transmit the virus due to innate resistance or cross-protection from exposure to seasonal coronaviruses.”

      https://medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.15.20154294v1

    710. Robbie says:

      The recent hypothesis that herd immunity could be as low as 20% suggests that even a modestly effective vaccine taken by a modest number of people could be enough to end the outbreak.

      Pitch can correct me if I’m wrong, but the other fact to consider is, while a vaccine might not provide complete protection, it would almost certainly mitigate or eliminate the worst symptoms of corona. Anti-bodies may not last past few months, but the T-cell response and infection memory would allow the body to fight a reinfection much more easily.

      Essentially, a vaccine coupled with a low herd immunity threshold would likely make this coronavirus little more than a nuisance common cold by mid to late next year.

    711. Tina says:

      Kyle Lamb
      @kylamb8
      Here are all states’ CFR for the most recent week (deaths this week divided by total confirmed cases 2 weeks prior). You can see the chronological weekly average dating back to April 11. Data source is Covid Tracking Project and calculated by when deaths and cases were reported.

      https://twitter.com/kylamb8/status/1284533461823434752

    712. Tina says:

      There are 147 deaths reported in Arizona, but per Kyle Lamb, 106 of them are from death certificate matching,

      This means they are deaths from weeks or months ago.

    713. PresidentPaul! says:

      Holy sh1t the CCP put a pandemic clause in china-USA trade deal that they negotiated while they were brining covid-19 into the USA.

      wow.

      I knew it was a sham, but it’s always more apparent by the day.

    714. Tina says:

      So, the jebots Fallacy praises Ny as a “model” for Fighting Coronoavirus.

      What a hack.

    715. PresidentPaul! says:

      Funny how a few months ago when people on here kept talking about a vaccine causing “neutralizing antibodies” on here when I pointed out that the goal of a vaccine is not to make “neutralizing antibodies” but rather to prevent illness, but that seemed to go over everyone’s head.

    716. Tina says:

      Ethical Skeptic ?
      @EthicalSkeptic
      · 14h
      Comparing ICU Census nationwide vs fatalities, these have been reliable indices with a very tight covariance. However, the week of July 6th, did states delay in reporting deaths and then slam them into this week?

      Both reports by other analysts, and this chart indicate so.

    717. PurpleDeac says:

      737- Tillis doesn’t need money, he needs energy. Not a lot of positive or negative enthusiasm that I can see here in NC. The race is closer than the polls are showing but I’m not as confident as I was 6 weeks ago. Cunningham has the edge in intensity and motivation of voters. Lots of time left but Tillis is not a fantastic campaigner and was lucky to defeat an even weaker campaigner in Kay Hagan.

    718. PresidentPaul! says:

      In the fine print of the SPV made by blackrock there is an inclusion for the ability to buy not just corporate bonds but to start buying up the US stock market as well. The logistics for this to begin are already completely in place (in violation of the federal reserve act)

      As soon as we have a 10% correction and the next panic, jpow can began just flat out buying equities.

      https://seekingalpha.com/article/4357004-u-s-federal-reserve-ready-to-buy-stocks-yes-really#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Federal%20Reserve's,do%20the%20buying%20of%20bonds.&text=Essentially%2C%20the%20Fed%20is%20ready,buy%20stocks%20if%20truly%20needed.

    719. jason says:

      Reason #128 on why this might not be a referendum on Trump:

      “Black Lives Matter leader Lilith Sinclair says she’s “organizing for the abolition of not just the militarized police state but also the United States as we know it”

    720. PresidentPaul! says:

      Pretty sure they are looking at renewing the $600 dollars a week unemployment insurance this month.

      That’s 30 grand a year or about the equivalent to about $15 dollars an hour 40 hour week pay, and that’s not counting further direct payments that we did.

      That seems a lot higher than what Andrew Yang wants to do at only $1000 dollars a month UBI.

      Yang wants to cut them down to a measly 12 grand a year.

    721. PresidentPaul! says:

      Don’t forget about owning a small amount of RHHBY for a covid portfolio. Actemra has some degree of promise.

    722. PresidentPaul! says:

      Little Marco gets his black colleagues confused.

      Good thing this idiot is not president.

      https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1284573148978044928?s=20

    723. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      @BuckSexton
      Still wondering where in the Constitution it says that all your freedoms can be suspended on capricious whim of a state governor for as long as he wants because of a disease that has a 99.7% survival rate

    724. Paul says:

      Jason said: Reason #128 on why this might not be a referendum on Trump:

      I get a bit worried with Jason’s framing, then I ask myself who is Lilith Sinclair and why do I care.

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    726. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      764. The Notre Dame Cathedral fire in April was not caused by rioters, and was not believe to be arson.

    727. Bitterlaw says:

      GA- Try to pay a LITTLE attention to what you wrote. I just pointed out that not all of Lee’s battles were in Virginia. Also, Virginia was never “invaded” since it could not have legally left the Union.

      I also noted you did not try to refute the articles about Lee and slavery.

    728. PresidentPaul! says:

      House Democrats, Working With Liz Cheney, Restrict Trump’s Planned Withdrawal of Troops From Afghanistan and Germany

      THE U.S. MILITARY HAS BEEN fighting in Afghanistan for almost nineteen years. House Democrats, working in tandem with key pro-war GOP lawmakers such as Rep. Liz Cheney, are ensuring that continues.

    729. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      748. There is some speculation that something similar to herd immunity might be the cause of the recent decline in new cases, hospitalizations, and deaths in Sweden. The U.S. press, while still condemning Sweden’s failure to enact a total lockdown, provides some information in this regard:

      “We don’t know at this point. Scientists are still trying to figure out whether immunity from the new coronavirus can even be reached – and for how long.
      Ekström noted that the reproduction number of the epidemic – or R number, which measures the average number of people that one infected person will pass the virus on to – has now declined in Sweden to around 0.6, meaning transmission is declining.
      The number of people with antibodies against the new coronavirus, meanwhile, is increasing.
      Data published by Sweden’s public health agency in June showed that about 10 per cent of people in Stockholm – the country’s worst affected area – had developed antibodies to COVID-19.
      In the past four weeks, 17.6 per cent of the more than 140,000 who signed up for free antibody tests in the capital region returned a positive result.
      A recent study from the Karolinska Institute also suggests that people testing negative for coronavirus antibodies may still have some immunity, through specific T-cells that identify and destroy infected cells.”

      From CBS News:

      Dr. Hokan Kalzen treats COVID patients in the ICU ward of Stockholm’s Sodertatlje Hospital. From 77 cases at the peak of the pandemic, he is relieved there are now only four left on the ward.

      Asked why so many Swedes still have faith in the authorities’ light touch when the numbers look so bad on paper, he suggested they may be proven right in the end.

      “When countries that had a complete lockdown and low numbers try to open up, many of them, they face outbreaks, and they will be terrified for a long, long time.”

    730. PresidentPaul! says:

      Vietnam has zero Covid-19 deaths.

      They also tried to put a McDonalds in Vietnam, but it failed.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9pthhpd7So

    731. Gordon Allen says:

      C’mon, you’re just being an argumentative lawyer,and why most people hate them. Lee was loyal to Virginia AND the US- in that order. There is no doubt, because Lee said this when offered- by Lincoln- command of the Union Army.
      Lee fought in the war with Mexico as a Union officer( which Lincoln opposed). Had Virginia voted Democratically to stay in the Union he would undoubtedly served in the Union Army( as Commander?). AGAINST the Confederacy. He only joined and served as Commander of the Army of NORTHERN VIRGINIA AFTER the May 23 referendum.Under the mores of his time Lee was an honorable man.Probably why his opponent Grant was AGAINST any action be against him.
      In my experience,when you have a losing argument ( here historically) it’s time to consider a settlement.If your psych for some reason ( virtue signalling?)is locked into a position then there is no point in further argument on historical grounds,and time to move on.

    732. PresidentPaul! says:

      Madagascar has zero covid-19 deaths but they have the tea.

    733. MichiganGuy says:

      Iran’s president says 25M caught coronavirus in nearly hundredfold jump from official numbers
      .
      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/irans-president-says-25m-caught-coronavirus-in-nearly-hundredfold-jump-from-official-numbers

    734. PresidentPaul! says:

      This VP race is really crazy since Biden can’t do debates, can’t be president, and can’t speak english.

      Whoever the VP is basically is going to replace him on day one.

      So if Warren is really the favorite then we’re going to have president pocahontas!

    735. PresidentPaul! says:

      And he can’t even pick a VP because the VP will be doing interviews and campaigning while he is in the basement outshining him so he has to wait as long as possible for he picks anyone.

    736. Robbie says:

      PresidentPaul! says:
      July 18, 2020 at 2:23 pm
      Funny how a few months ago when people on here kept talking about a vaccine causing “neutralizing antibodies” on here when I pointed out that the goal of a vaccine is not to make “neutralizing antibodies” but rather to prevent illness, but that seemed to go over everyone’s head.

      – I understood the difference, but the data released by Moderna and AstraZeneca both show their vaccines produce both neutralizing and protective antibodies. Also, both produced T-cell responses.

      Regardless, in a worst case scenario, a vaccine that only produced neutralizing antibodies would reduce the most serious effects of coronavirus and it would make an infection for most people little more than a cold, if they even ever showed symptoms.

    737. PresidentPaul! says:

      No you didn’t. You were focused on fancy terms.

    738. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      There likely is a percentage of the population that because of genetics, innate immunity, or some other reason may not be infected by the coronavirus, or may infect people but will not result in illness. We have no way to identify this population, and there is no guarantee that sometime in the future their immune system will change and they can become infected and sick.

      That is why a vaccine is so important, and needs to be made available to everyone as early as possible. People may differ on the wisdom of having a lockdown, but there should be universal support for vaccine development.

    739. Bitterlaw says:

      My contempt and hatred of Lee long predates the current era. The idea that we cannot judge prior times is absurd. If true, why study history at all? If that is true then there was nothing wrong with Spartans killing newborns deemed unfit or Stalin or Hitler or Mao killing millions or the British starving the Irish.

      Why do you defend Lee? Do you defend Rommel? Both were strategically brilliant Generals who served evil masters.

    740. Paul says:

      Discussion of secession began immediately once Lincoln won the election. It was solely based on fears that the Republicans would reduce slavery in the west as well as the reality the political power of the slave states was waning. Whether or not one believes secession is legal, it has always felt like the reasons for secession were pretty weak.

    741. PresidentPaul! says:

      Trump should just refuse to acknowledge Biden once he picks a VP candidate, and just run against his VP candidate since we know that Biden is going to resign or be removed on day one.

    742. Hugh says:

      Fauci praises ny. Total fraud

    743. dblaikie says:

      Bitter you miss my point. Like you I don’t believe that Lee was a special person. A false mythology grew around him. Slavery was a terrible thing. Nothing wrong with judging slavery as bad. And in any generation when people do harm or wrong of course they should be called on it. What I object to is one generation sitting in judgement over another with moral superiority because every generation has both strength and weaknesses. And the goal of history is to take those strengths and weaknesses, put them into context and learn from them.

    744. Stonewall DW says:

      We have a race for Michigan senate folks. PPP-D just dropped a poll showing James is down only 7 points.

    745. Robbie says:

      PresidentPaul! says:
      July 18, 2020 at 5:50 pm
      No you didn’t. You were focused on fancy terms.

      – No. I understood the difference.

    746. Robbie says:

      SanDiegoCitizen says:
      July 18, 2020 at 5:54 pm

      That is why a vaccine is so important, and needs to be made available to everyone as early as possible. People may differ on the wisdom of having a lockdown, but there should be universal support for vaccine development.

      – I agree. You’ll find no greater proponent of vaccinations than I am. They’ve saved the lives of millions and millions of people over the last 50 years, especially the small pox vaccination.

      Honestly, I don’t understand from where the distrust of vaccinations came. My guess is the Internet has given a forum to nuts and crazies on this topic who otherwise never would have had an outlet.

      Some seem apprehensive they’re being developed so quickly, but there are big differences between how vaccines were made 30, 40, and 50 years ago as compared to now. Super computing, machine learning and simply a better understanding of how to attack viruses makes our efforts now so much safer and healthier.

    747. Paul says:

      People are mostly worried about the 666 Mark that Bill Gates plans to include in every virus injected. Without that, one will not be able to be a part of the global economy and won’t be able to buy food.

    748. Victrc says:

      Almost 1,000,000 tests today,

      Almost 5,700,000 tests for the week

      And yet I read on CNBC that were not doing enough testing because we don’t have tests for all 330m Americans to take them at the same time if they want them

    749. Wes says:

      DW, I’d love to see James win in Michigan. With the exception of 1994, Dems have had a stranglehold on Wolverine State Senate seats since 1976. It’d be a great thing if the GOP could finally break through that glass ceiling. Unfortunately Mike Rogers–who would have beaten Gary Peters–mystifyingly decided to go into the world of talk radio rather than take a promotion in 2014.