VA: McDonnell Surges Way Ahead Of Deeds

Republican Bob McDonnell is pulling away in the race to become the next Governor of Virginia according to a new poll from Survey USA.

Bob McDonnell (R) 55%
Creigh Deeds (D) 40%

The previous poll from Survey USA back before the primary showed McDonnell only ahead by 1%. This poll was done July 27-28 among 526 likely voters. The poll also shows the Republicans with double-digit leads for Lt. Governor and Attorney General. One other thing to keep in mind, this poll was done after this past weekend’s debate. I think it is clear by these numbers who won that debate….

For more polls from Virginia, click here.

Posted by Dave at 4:18 pm
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218 Responses to “VA: McDonnell Surges Way Ahead Of Deeds”

  1. Frank says:

    Yea. I had a one.

  2. Frank says:

    and a two, and maybe three

  3. Olawakandi says:

    When christie was ahead pundits had deeds winning they were wrong

  4. Phil says:

    It’s somewhat off to be sure. Of those surveyed 52% voted for McCain and 43% for Obama. Obama won the state by 6%.

    However, some of this (but not hearly all) might be due to conservatives being reved up and more likely to vote than Dems. I can’t see blacks making up the same percentage of the electorate that they did with Obama on the ballot in 08.

    I’d say right now McDonnell is up 5 or so and that’s not bad.

  5. Wes says:

    The AP is currently questioning every poll in Virginia because all show the GOP ahead. Can you say bias?

  6. Phil says:

    Let them question all they want. Big time egg on their face on election night when both races are called early in the evening. Alas, they’ll probably then question the vote itself.

  7. Darrell says:

    Now Phil doesn’t sound like Eeyore anymore.

  8. theoneandonlyfinn says:

    EVEN IF the poll is off by a 10 pt swing in terms of oversampling McCain voters, Republicans, not Democrats, are probably going to turn out angrily more so than Democrats defensively.
    Even if its a replica of the 2008 electorate,with Bob winning Republicans by nearly 90% and 60% of the indies, its a done deal and a solid 10 pt win.

  9. Wes says:

    I just find it appalling the AP is questioning EVERY GOD DAMN POLL IN THE STATE simply because “the polls don’t meet their standards.” There’s no mention in the article of what the AP considers its polling standards, so I assume the standard is that the Dem must be ahead for them not to question.

  10. theoneandonlyfinn says:

    btw I rescind my earlier prediction of a narrow Deeds victory. As the economy continues to sag, not only will we win New Jersey by a pretty comfortable margin (7-8pts), probably Virginia by the same.

    While it looks bad for Deeds in this poll, Id be shocked if he fails to jump a few more points up- hes conservative enough to dupe a few folks as he did in his last run against Bob in a statewide race. But not enough for him to win.

  11. Wes says:

    I stand by my 53-46 prediction. If McDonnell holds up–and from what I’ve heard, he mopped the floor with Deeds in their first debate–that could rise. A solid McDonnell victory will almost certainly cause Webb and Warner to start looking over their shoulders then.

  12. theoneandonlyfinn says:

    Wes…the AP cant believe President Sunshine has fallen so far so fast. They simply cant.
    They could write it off when Scott Rassy showed it.
    When Zogby showed it.

    But now that NPR and Pew and Gallup have him in the low 50s with exploding disapproval numbers…methinks the Pres Obama defense train is right around the bend with much of the press.

    The media though, despite its generally leftist bent, is the ultimate whore as I have said numerous times. If it senses real blood in the water for Democrats, they will jump at the chance to regain sales and viewership, albeit while gnashing their teeth, by publishing stories that worsen the Democratic outlook. The only thing stronger than their ideology is their desire for ratings and sales.

  13. Wes says:

    Here’s my prediction for New Jersey and Virginia at the moment:

    53-46 for McDonnell in Virginia

    54-40 for Christie in New Jersey

    Corzine is gone within a half hour of the polls closing while Deeds gets to delay the inevitable by perhaps an hour.

  14. theoneandonlyfinn says:

    I can see that outcome, Wes.

    I was worried about New Jersey, but with the stagnant air of corruption (in addition to the naturally horrid stench of the state) on TOP of Corzines unpopularity, even a last minute switcheroo wont work. They had Lumberg as I call him to jump in a few years back. All their alternatives this year have either been arrested or committed harry carey.

  15. Wes says:

    Not all of them, finn. MSNBC is so far up the collective DNC ass it will never be able to get that putrid smell off.

  16. Phil says:

    One thing EVERY poll I’ve seen from head to head polls in NJ and Va to every single presidential approval poll – Democrats are collapsing with indies.

    The AP can try and spin that as “bad polling” but every poll, and I mean EVERY poll, is showing the same thing.

  17. Wes says:

    Besides, finn, if you were a Dem pol in New Jersey, would you seriously want to switch with Corzine? Even if you won by some miracle, then you’d inherit an electorate in revolt, a crashing economy, and a perception of being part of a corrupt bargain? At best you’d make it one term; then you’d have to flee Trenton as fast as Amtrak could carry you to avoid either the voters’ wrath or the lawman knocking on your door. I see no serious Dems as even considering a last-minute swap with Johnny C. He’s poisoned the well too much for them this time.

  18. Wes says:

    Amazingly, Phil, the AP never once questioned all the polls showing the Dems routing the GOP last year. They wouldn’t be biased, would they? If you read the link i posted, they don’t even define what standards they use to determine if they feel a poll is accurate. The chutzpah of those bastards!

  19. Phil says:

    There was a blurb over at NRO where a guy claimed he’d been polled Tuesday night on Christie vs some Democrat mayor from Newark – I think the mayor’s name was Cory Booker. Anyone know anything about him?

  20. Eph Rove says:

    McConnel: 55
    Deeds: 44

    Bill Bradley: 58
    Chrisite : 42

  21. Wes says:

    Bradley won’t be in this race, Phil. See my above post.

  22. Phil says:

    AP is notoriously biased. Into the 70s even they would just present the facts in their releases. When Reagan became president they started to editorialize some. Now it’s nothing but lefty editorials in the form of a news story.

    No journalistic ethics whatsoever. Since 2000 it’s gotten sickening and since Obama arrived it’s beyond that – a new low.

  23. Wes says:

    Sorry, Eph–not Phil.

  24. ron says:

    cory booker is one of the new breed of african american leaders, like the mayor of philly. He believes the only way newark can turn itself around is by people being more responsible, and depend less on govt. Obviously, I like him, since I think people like him are a repudiation of the sharpton/jackson/maxine waters type of representation.

  25. Wes says:

    All the way up till the time they show up in the polls and vote for the same people who destroy their personal responsibility, Ron.

  26. Brandon says:

    Booker is very well liked and a very effective mayor. He essentially is being groomed right now to be the next governor. I expect him to challenge Christie in 2013. And maybe even try to go farther than that, after that…

  27. theoneandonlyfinn says:

    #26… and why is he a Democrat again?
    Oh, to get elected in a major city.

    That last bit isn’t meant as an insult- the former mayor of Baltimore, Schmoke, was actually a decent guy, pretty libertarian. He even refused to join in an attack ad by Glendumbing on Ellen Saurbrey (sp?). He claimed it was just wrong and publicly refused to participate.
    Unfortunately in a state like Maryland…that cant be tolerated.

  28. Eph Rove says:

    “Sorry, Eph–not Phil”

    Maybe, but it bothers the sh*t out of Brandon though! hahahahaha

  29. ron says:

    finn, I believe schmoke was the first of this kind of black politician. What ever happened to him?

  30. phoenixrisen says:

    Unhappy moonbats on the left in regards to the deal struck between Waxman and the Blue Dogs.

    About time GOP! Let the public know what you want to do 🙂

  31. lisab says:

    this is why i drive traffic at rightpundits 🙂

    “for all of you morons that just cannot stand it that Gates got JUSTIFIABLY arrested by a white cop — despite your personal wishes … put you stupid ideas to the test

    the next time you see a Black cop in public, go up to him and start screaming he is a racist

    if he tells you to stop … keep going … you can even scream at him “IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL FOR YOU TO ARREST ME YOU BLACK RACIST PIG”

    and … we will write a story about what happens to you here at rightpundits … maybe we can even raise a little money for your bail

    seriously … if you are so sure you cannot be arrested for that … GO DO IT … then come back and tell us what happened you freakin morons”

  32. Wes says:

    Eph, what makes you sure Bradley will replace Corzine at the last minute–unless you’re speaking in jest?

  33. ron says:

    hi, lisab. Nice seeing you again.

  34. phoenixrisen says:

    Ruh Roh! Even Politico is starting to worry about the Dems in ’10. Just a few days ago I remember them writing that the Dems looked secure for 2010.

    It is interesting to note that the GOP is apparently recruiting some strong candidates to challenge Dems in competitive districts that favor the GOP. Also, some candidates who lost in 2006 and 2010 are announcing rematches with the Dem candidate who beat them.

  35. phoenixrisen says:

    oops…I meant 2008 toward the bottom there 🙂

  36. lisab says:


    Tim V clued me in that chekote was gone for the week

  37. ron says:

    yeah, a twofer. You’re back and hhr is more placid. I’ve read a lot of your links on rp. Is that one guy as insane as he appears?

  38. Eph Rove says:

    “Eph, what makes you sure Bradley will replace Corzine at the last minute–unless you’re speaking in jest?”

    Because if the DEMs in NJ can get Bradley to replace Corzine they will blow Christie out of the water. The pro-aborts there in NJ will vote for another DEM just not Corzine.

  39. Eph Rove says:

    “Tim V clued me in that chekote was gone for the week”

    He’ll be back in less than 24 hours.

  40. Eph Rove says:

    32. The GOP should have had Sara Palin present their healthcare plan —> primetime too!!!

  41. DrJay says:

    I was a bit surprised at the behavior of the economist poll today. In the comments, they say:

    “We then recounted the now widely-known story of the arrest of Henry Louis Gates for disorderly conduct at his own home. Here, too, most Americans agree with Mr Obama that the Cambridge police “acted stupidly” in arresting Mr Gates”.

    But here is the question that was asked:

    “The police arrested Henry Louis Gates, Jr., a black professor at Harvard, at his home in Cambridge, Massachusetts, last week. The police were investigating a possible burglary at Gates’ house and suspected Gates until he provided ID. Gates then accused the policeman of being racist. Do you think the Cambridge Police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home?”

    If it was so “widely-known”, why did they feel the need to recount the incident at all, let alone so poorly, and in the form of a leading question?
    Note the question does not mention disorderly conduct at all, but their summary implies the opposite.

  42. lisab says:

    “Is that one guy as insane as he appears?”

    yup, i really do think he is psychotic. i usually do not “poke him”, i was just showing MDefl what he was dealing with so he would not waste his time.

    i really honestly believe he is chemically imbalanced

  43. ron says:

    eph, I’m getting ready to eat dinner. give me a break.

  44. Wes says:

    Bradley’s uninterested in the job, Eph. Besides, look at what I posted for why the Dems wouldn’t be able to switch Corzine out? No sane dem would want to take over for this moron. It would enrage the voters, and the raft of problems he would inherit if he won would be staggering. I’m sorry, but the Dems won’t replace. Johnny C. He will fall badly on Election Day.

  45. Wes says:

    They’re idiots, Jay.

  46. Howard Dean 1/20/13 says:

    Dr Jay, I haven’t seen an other poll substantiate that finding.

    Quite the opposite, that’s why Obama wants this to go away and fast.

  47. lisab says:

    they never mention that the address on Gates’ ID did not match the residence he was in either.

    in massachusetts your drivers license has your address on it.

  48. ron says:

    lisab, I hate to practice pschology without a license, but …that guy has to have a problem. Nobody who is sane could write paragraphs like that. It was sorta fun watching you debate with a crazy person tho.

  49. DrJay says:

    #43 was very surprising to me for the Economist; I usually look forward to their poll each week, because they provide all the demographic crosstabs for about 30 questions or so.

    They had the topline for Obama at 50-43 approval today.

  50. Wes says:

    Obama’s performing his Hindenburgh impersonation, Jay.

  51. theoneandonlyfinn says:

    #46 dead on with regards to the current toxic political climate there.

    The political climate in California has altered a bit too, mostly over the budget mess and the ludicrous tax hikes at the beginning of the year.
    If we could get Whitman and Fiorna for gov and senate next year, that would be incredible.

    The pessimist in me still says the economy “recovers” (emph on those quotes) miraculously just in time for the election next year, but the realist doesnt see that happening and is starting to agree with the optimist in me.
    Ive got too many ists.

  52. lisab says:

    ” It was sorta fun watching you debate with a crazy person tho.” ron

    that is exactly why they do not let me take care of crazy people at the local mental health clinic … i have too much fun 🙂

  53. Wes says:

    I think Fiorina could beat Boxer. Fiorina’s smart and capable. She has business experience she can point to as a solid qualification, and the fact that she was a CEO indicates she knows how to hold her own. Boxer has made some major gaffes recently Fiorina would do well to exploit. This, combined with a sour economy, a strong candidate in Fiorina, and sagging polls for the President, could flip this seat back to the Republicans. God, I hope so!

  54. theoneandonlyfinn says:

    As a small diversion..
    yaay! my citi stock is back up to nearly double what I bought it for…
    all…50 shares…that is.

  55. Wes says:

    Also, Fiorina can self-finance and can’t be pigeonholed as right-wing extremist, though Boxer will surely try. Carly Fiorina for Senate in 2010!

  56. Wes says:

    My stock portfolio is off its lows but well below its highs, finn.

  57. Phil says:

    California is a very tough race for any Republican. That said, Boxer is the most unlikable candidate in America. This might end up being one to watch if the economy is still in the tank. Boy, would I love to take this nut out.

  58. theoneandonlyfinn says:

    Wes, its a pipe dream of mine unfortunately because Boxer will con the droolers from the Bay Area to show up in full force, even if southern california rejects her.
    Theres really 3 states in california.
    you have los angeles. the bay. then the la suburbs+central california. you win 2 out of 3 and you win the state. She just needs BA and LA.

    However, if we see Boxer lose, it will be a night of unbelievable surging for the Republicans. If we flip the SENATE that night, Boxer will be one seat that goes.

  59. Wes says:

    2010 will be the best shot the GOP has, Phil. Cornyn can take this one if he gets Fiorina to run.

  60. Wes says:

    If the economy stays above 10% unemployment then, finn, that becomes a more and more realistic possibility. Serves the Dems right if it happens.

  61. theoneandonlyfinn says:

    carly fiorna survived CANCER and will find a way to flip a nasty jab from Boxer using that.
    People dont hate on cancer survivors.
    Particularly in health-obsessed southern California.

    I really wish they would carve my state up into a few pieces. Ill take the south coasts/inland empire/central coasts, with los angeles to “balance out”. let the bay area be its own superliberal state with 12 EVs, we’ll keep the other 43 and make it a purple one.

  62. sam says:

    “It’s somewhat off to be sure. Of those surveyed 52% voted for McCain and 43% for Obama. Obama won the state by 6%.”


    I am not surprised by the number. If Obama’s popularity continues to decline, you will find it harder and harder to find anyone who would claim that they voted for Obama.

    There was a poll out in Minnesota a month or so ago, about the time when the Senate results were finalized. It reported that more than 50% of the voters did not remember who they voted for in Nov, Coleman or Franken.

  63. Jan says:

    When are the elections in Virginia and New Jersey?

  64. theoneandonlyfinn says:

    Wes, I hope so. I wanted the economy to recover this year, but with HORRIBLE programs being planned by Congress, no sign of recovery, and additional programs that will choke any recovery we get for possibly half a decade, I do not care anymore. I want the idiots in Washington carted off.

    We survived the last 6 years of Clinton because hes an uberpolitician who cared only to be liked- that meant moving to the center and working with a Republican congress, fine for him and great for our country.

    President Obama will do 1 of 2 things with a GOP Congress- move to the middle to win reelection and watch his popularity rise, or he resist, try to blame everything on them as the ship sinks and be a 1-termer. Either way is fine with me.

  65. Brandon says:

    #65. November 3, 2009.

  66. LA Cajun says:

    Interesting email below that I received today. It is credited to Patrick J. Buchanan, but not really sure if he wrote it or where it was originally published:

    “Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America . Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.. This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

    First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known. Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

    Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ‘ 60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream. Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants. Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

    We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude???

    Barack talks about new ‘ladders of opportunity’ for blacks. Let him go to Altoona ? And Johnstown , and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for ‘deserving’ white kids.? Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America ? Is it really white America ‘s fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

    Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

    As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

    Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

    We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena . And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

    Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.”

  67. sam says:

    “President Obama will do 1 of 2 things with a GOP Congress- move to the middle to win reelection and watch his popularity rise, or he resist, try to blame everything on them as the ship sinks and be a 1-termer. Either way is fine with me.”

    That is why Obama is pushing his marxist agenda so hard and so fast. Even at the cost of having the Dems lose Congress and many governorships next year.

    He is in a win-win situation.

    If he gets cap-and-tax, single-payer healthcare, card check in place by end of this year, he has fulfilled his mission.

    If Dems lose Congress because of that, he gets a Rep congress that pushes him to center and enhances his re-election chances.

    If Dems don’t lose Congress in 2010, he is golden and can continue down the marxist path.

  68. Eph Rove says:


  69. DrJay says:

    Time Magazine:

    Obama Approval: 56-38 (23/34/32 r/d/i)

    Some health care numbers in regard to the CURRENT legislation (not the would you support a plan/ is it important that blah, blah, blah… stuff):





    Of those with health insurance (89%)



  70. Eph Rove says:

    D+11 ay? hahahahahaha

  71. Brandon says:

    Blah! DrJay beat me!

  72. Eph Rove says:

    74. D+ ??????????


  73. DrJay says:

    r/d/i is 22/30/41

    with leaners 33/42/18

  74. DrJay says:

    There is some cool stuff in this survey:

    During the Bush administration the CIA developed plans to send small groups of their agents overseas to
    assassinate senior members of Al Qaeda. Do you approve or disapprove of these plans?

    Approve 56
    Disapprove 32

  75. Eph Rove says:

    soooo Hussein is at 53% with D+9 ay.

    So realistically he’s at 46-48%

  76. Wes says:

    I have a request for all you guys: When the Dems get pummeled next year, I want to be the first to rub Bonncaruso’s face in it. Can I count on you to let me do that?

  77. LA Cajun,
    I cant tell you how many ways that email pisses me off. I cant believe you find that crap interesting.

  78. Wes says:

    Truth hurts, right, Libgirl?

  79. DrJay says:


    How likely do you think it is that Barack Obama will bring real change in direction to the country:

    ––very/fairly likely: 51
    just somewhat/not likely: 48

  80. Eph Rove says:

    Christian Family Approval:

    Approve 38%
    Disapprove 60%

  81. Eph Rove says:

    It will be interesting to see how far RAS drops the tracking poll D/R difference next month.

  82. Wes says:

    Well, Eph, are you going to honor my request?

  83. Wes, where is my apology? You said that the Gates issue was going to be huge. And tried to bite my head off when I said no one will care but the republican base, and it would not move indys.


    NBC/WSJ poll: By a 27%-11% margin, Americans say that Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. was more at fault for his recent arrest than the Cambridge police officer was. But a greater number, 29%, believe that both were equally at fault. And 31% say they didn’t know enough to have an opinion.

  84. Eph Rove says:

    89. Absolutely!

  85. Eph Rove says:

    91. Tell that to our President

  86. Tina says:

    So, that’s why the Drats backed off of the program uh plan to take out AQ higher ups?

    What is the plan now? Not take them out?


  87. Wes says:

    Libgirl, if you can cite the time I said the Gates issue would be huge, then I’ll retract it. I recall making no such statement though. Besides, you took Gates’ side, didn’t you? From all evidence, Gates, despite his outrage at being accosted, was at fault.

  88. Phil says:

    Time for your afternoon laugh? CBS strikes again.

    R – 248
    D – 335
    I – 467

    Not satisfied with an +8.2 D advantage, CBS felt compelled to further weight the sample as follows

    R – 208
    D – 355
    I – 467

    Final numbers? D +14

    You can’t make this sh** up. LMAO

  89. Wes says:

    Thanks, Eph.

  90. Tina says:

    Obama is the race baiter.

  91. DrJay says:


    Feelings toward…

    The Democratic party (Dec 2008 +/-)
    Positive 42 (-7)
    Negative 37 (+9)
    Neutral 19 (-3)

    The Republican Party (Dec 2008 +/-)
    Positive 28 (+1)
    Negative 41 (-11)
    Neutral 29 (+9)

  92. Wes says:

    I’m surprised we don’t see members of the movie limping around with all the asspounding they take from the DNC and Obama.

  93. Tina says:

    I want to hear a tape of Gates yelling at the officer. What did he say specifically?

  94. Wes says:

    What the hell did I type movie for? I must be slipping. I mean media, not movie.

  95. Eph Rove says:

    soooooo Hussein is at 58% w/ D+14 ay?

    = 48% in my book

  96. Wes says:

    He said something along the lines of “You don’t know who you’re dealing with!” or some such, Tina.

  97. Phil says:

    Correction. Final weighted numbers had Indies at 487. Still Dems +14.

    They reweight their numbers from D +8.2 to D +14.

    Nice going CBS. Giving Newsweek a run for their money.

  98. Tina says:

    I just want to hear the tape. Did he call him whitey or use your mama, or say something racist in nature?

  99. No, I didnt take Gates side. I simply said that it was possible that Gates was the victim of racial profiling. Most AA do experience it at some point in there life. It especially happens a lot to black males. I didnt take either side. I wasn’t there so I dont know and never will. Nor will any of you!

  100. Tina says:

    Yeah, it confirms Ras and Zogby and another one confirming 48 top 50 percent approval rates.

  101. Wes says:

    You just said Gates was racially profiled, yet then you admitted you weren’t there and so couldn’t know, Libgirl. Can you make a consistent argument for once please?

  102. Tina says:

    I know that Gates acted in an innappropriate language and its a bit concerning that the Obumbler is friends with a racist.

    Was he another guy in the hood?

  103. Eph Rove says:

    108. tina,

    And that’s still using a DEM advantage around 7 points. I think we are at D+3 maximum.

  104. Tina says:

    manner, used inappropriate…

  105. Eph Rove says:

    “Can you make a consistent argument for once please”

    Most liberals cannot. You ask to much.

  106. Tina says:

    Yup, he is sinking faster than the Titanic EPH. He is taking his party down.

    Too many incidents all at one time.

    Economy very bad under his watch – no improvement.

    Crap and Tax


    Porkulous – not working.

    Racist behavior.

  107. Tina says:

    Libealism is a mental disorder and he was not racially profiled. He was found at the home and questioned. Gates took offense, acted inappropriately, used offensive language, etc.

    Our President took the side of Gates.

  108. Wes says:

    Tina, having spent my time under the elitist professors at left-wing universities–all right, ECU isn’t exactly an Ivy League university and did produce a Republican NC Senator despite being a hotbed for liberalism–I think the Gates issue was really less one of racism than of classism. Being a grand poobah at an elite university, Gates assumed the cop should have known him. When the cop didn’t, his ego took a hit. Rather than accept that, Gates had to then demean Crowley; otherwise Gates would have suffered a bruised ego and wounded pride. That’s my take on things anyway.

  109. ” You just said Gates was racially profiled, yet then you admitted you weren’t there and so couldn’t know, Libgirl. Can you make a consistent argument for once please?”

    From my statement:
    “I simply said that it was possible that Gates was the victim of racial profiling.”

    I said that it was “POSSIBLE” that Gates was victim of racial profiling. Possible neither implies that Gates was or was not victim…Your mistake!

  110. Eph Rove says:


    Did you go to East Carolina Univ?

  111. Wes says:

    Let’s see, Libgirl. A woman who didn’t know Gates saw someone sneaking into his house. She called 911 and didn’t mention race. Crowley showed up with a black cop and a latino cop in tow and found Gates inside. When Gates produced ID, it did not have the same address as the one he and Crowley were in. Gates then went on a tirade and was arrested after he became disruptive OUTSIDE the house. Yes, Libgirl, I see a lot of racial profiling there. You love playing the part of a victim, don’t you?

  112. Wes says:

    Yes, sir, Eph. Proud alumnus of the Class of 1999.

  113. Wes says:

    Great school. Much better than its reputation would suggest.

  114. Eph Rove says:

    120. hahahahaha. I lived in Greenville from 1999-2000. Worked for Catalytica Pharmaceuticals for one year. Needless to say we hated living there. Booooooooooooooring. The best thing about it was going to Myrtle Beach every couple of weeks!!!

  115. Wes says:

    ECU itself is a great place, Eph. Greenville proper though is pretty blase. The best thing about the whole area was all the nubile, naive college girls and female Marine privates who wanted nothing more than to spend time pleasing hard-partying young college bucks.

  116. DrJay says:


    Which party would do a better job reducing the federal deficit?

    January 2008 D +22 advantage
    July 2009 R +6 advantage

  117. DrJay says:


    I found nothing wrong with what Obama said about the incident. Racial profiling is very real and I myself have experienced it.

    From the beginning Obama stated that he had a bias since he knew the guy. The only people that care are the conservative base. this is a non-issue

    Comment by Libertariangirl — 7/23/2009 @ 4:41 pm


    He was giving his opinion and he said that he believed that the police acted stupidly. He also said he was biased. If your friend is treated poorly I hope that you would speak out!

    Comment by Libertariangirl — 7/23/2009 @ 5:03 pm


    Answer me this: If the guy showed proof that it was his house…why was he still arrested??? Yes, I think it had to do with his race!

    Comment by Libertariangirl — 7/23/2009 @ 5:04 pm

  118. Phil says:

    Sorry doc. NBC didn’t survey enough Democrats this time. They’ll be sure and correct that next time. hahaha

  119. You don’t know the facts. You weren’t there! All you know is what has been reported. Police do protect one another. And they have been known to reinterpret the events to suit them.

    And as polls suggest I am not alone in my thinking that it is ‘possible’ that it was racial profiling, or that it was both of their faults.

    IMO The truth probably lies somewhere btw what the cop said and what Gates said.

  120. Wes says:

    You got her, Jay. That’s really all I can say.

  121. Brandon says:

    Why do blacks hate the police?

  122. Wes says:

    I know as much as you, Libgirl. The difference between us is that I’m not trying to make up scenarios so someone who shares a skin color with me can be exonerated of boorish behavior while someone of a different hue is demeaned.

  123. Not hate. Distrust. Long Long History

  124. lisab says:

    PRESIDENT obama without knowing the facts of the case said the white police officer acted stupidily in a LOCAL arrest of a black professor.


  125. Wes says:

    You’re part of the reason this country will never be able to move to a truly colorblind society, Libgirl. People like you–whether black, white, red, brown, or green-and-pink polkadotted–find it in their interests to focus on race in every issue rather than admit race is not responsible for every god damn thing that happens and focus on stamping out real racism and bigotry when such things occur.

  126. Wes says:

    Bravo, Lisa! I can’t remember our ever agreeing on anything before.

  127. Brandon says:

    We’ll never get past race until we get rid of affirmative action.

  128. Wes says:

    That’s damn true, Brandon.

  129. I am dedicating my life to stamping out American racism. Which is why I teach in an inner city school. I believe the greatest injustice is in the education system.

  130. Wes says:

    Then why are you all but accusing a wqhite police officer of racism, Libgirl?

  131. Tina says:

    The racist is the Obumbler. What a dufus.

  132. I’m not accusing him of racism, I just think that race was a factor in the arrest.

    Gates made a lot of commotion and gave attitude. However, it was his house and he showed ID saying it was his house. Police are suppose to be trained to deal all kinds of situation. Gates couldn’t have looked like he would harm Cop bc Gates looks like a straight punk. You cant tell me that he looks like a threat. And there was more then one cop at the scene. It just makes no sense that he was arrested. I think the fact that he was an angry black man may have played a factor. I cant see a white guy getting arrested in his own home for causing a commotion w/ the cops.

  133. DrJay says:

    Last one, I promise:


    And how confident are you that Barack Obama has the right set of goals and policies to be president of the
    United States––?

    Extremely/Quite confident 46% (25/21)
    Only somewhat/Not at all 53% (23/30)

  134. lisab says:

    “I’m not accusing him of racism, I just think that race was a factor in the arrest.”

    then you are accusing him of racism

  135. Wes says:

    Exactly right, Tina.

  136. lisab says:

    “However, it was his house and he showed ID saying it was his house”

    no, the address on his ID was not the residence he was in.

    that is why the police officer called Harvard’s police.

  137. Wes says:

    Lisa’s on top of her game tonight. I guess your sabbatical did you some good, Lisa. 8)

  138. Even if Gates came at me I wouldnt be afraid and I am 5’4″ 135lbs. And I am not trained to handle an attacker.

    I mean, what really could he do. He probably got beat up his whole life

  139. lisab says:

    ” I cant see a white guy getting arrested in his own home for causing a commotion w/ the cops.”

    what a load of crap.

  140. Wes says:

    In other words, Libgirl, here’s your view of things:

    Gates (black)=good

    Cop (white)=bad

    That may not be what you’re trying to say, but that’s how it’s coming across.

  141. lisab says:

    “That may not be what you’re trying to say, but that’s how it’s coming across.”

    that is what she is trying to say

  142. Wes says:

    Thanks for clearing that up, Lisa.

  143. ” Gates showed his driver’s license and Harvard ID — both with his photos — and repeatedly asked for the name and badge number of the officer, who refused. He followed the officer as he left his house onto his front porch, where he was arrested.”

    He showed 2pieces of ID including his Harvard ID that showed he was a professor. And he looks like a Harvard professor, doesnt he?

  144. And, I also doubt he would have been arrested had he been a woman.

  145. lisab says:

    anyone who thinks they won’t get arrested for doing something like that … go prove it.

    go up to a cop in public and start screaming that he is a racist pig … and when he/she tells you to stop just say


    and just keep doing that.

    after all, you cannot get into trouble for that right? so go do it.

  146. DrJay says:

    “And he looks like a Harvard professor, doesnt he?”

    So did Ted Kaczynski…

  147. Tina says:

    On Drudge, there is blurb that the Obumbler needs a vacation. I saw an article the other day that he is going to a really nice place. I wonder why does he need a vacation, yet President Bush was blasted for taking a vacation (to his ranch) in his first year in office (August)???

    What is the latest Drat talking pt about this?

  148. lisab says:

    “He showed 2pieces of ID including his Harvard ID that showed he was a professor.”

    i can show an ID saying i am 21 … and i look 21. that does not mean i am.

    also, having an Harvard ID does not prove you live at the residence.

    also, once the police officer was satisfied of his identity, he left the residence.

    Gates followed him outside and disturbed the peace

  149. Tina says:

    I think the Obumbler should stay in DC and work a little bit more fixing the economy he ruined.

  150. Tina says:

    A school id has no residential address on it. It is a picture id – which can be used to identify an individual – but not his/her home address.

  151. Tina says:

    It would help clear up a lot of things though if the tape was released of how Gates acted.

  152. lisab says:

    a school ID is not legal ID in massachusetts. it proves nothing.

    passport, driver’s license or state ID.

  153. There aren’t a lot of black men that would dress like Gates does. He looks like an academic.

  154. lisab says:

    you can use various federal ID’s too.

  155. He showed his drivers license and Harvard ID both of course have pics on them.

  156. DrJay says:

    “And he looks like a Harvard professor, doesnt he?”

    So might Osama Bin Laden…

    US NEWS: What Osama bin Laden Might Look Like in Disguise

  157. Tina says:

    So, all people that dress nicely are not ctiminals????//

    Very big leap there – you obviously no nothing of the criminal justice system, ids, etc.

  158. Tina says:

    So, all people that dress nicely are not ctiminals????//

    Very big leap there – you obviously no nothing of the criminal justice system, ids, etc.

  159. Tina says:

    164.There aren’t a lot of black men that would dress like Gates does. He looks like an academic.

    Comment by Libertariangirl — 7/29/2009 @ 8:40 pm

    What a very racist statement to make btw.

  160. lisab says:

    “There aren’t a lot of black men that would dress like Gates does. He looks like an academic.”

    dispatcher: “one-adam-twelve, one-adam-twelve, we have a 211 in progress …”

    officer: roger dispatch. the man was dressed well, so we let him go.

  161. Albert McDougal says:

    Racism does exist. They are bad people out there. However, life aint easy for anyone. I have a huge dent in my forehead from an ex-wife batting cage incident. People look at me weird all the time, especially when I’m eating directly off the buffet at the Chinese joint. We must never worry about what others think of us. They don’t matter. The problem with Gates is the same as with Obama. They are just jackbutts. Libgirl-dont fall for the trap that anyone has power or control over you. You are phenomenon.

  162. lisab says:

    his driver’s license did not have that residence on it. in massachusetts your driver’s license has your home address on it.

    Gates showed him ID proving he did NOT live there.

  163. phoenixrisen says:

    Hey guys. Want to see what the Obama administration via Eric Holder is butting in on state affairs. In my great state of Oklahoma, there is a constitutional amendment scheduled to be voted on that makes English the offical and common language. I guess the Obama administration didn’t like that and prompted a letter sent to our states leaders reducing federal funding if we went through with this.

    Lovely. I hope our state leaders tell them to go to hell.

  164. Sure, I love your parallel universe where only blacks are racist. And, blacks are the ones that keep bringing race to the forefront while whites are trying to end racism. Its just so funny to me.

    In my world 15min from my house there is a community that is populated mostly by the KKK. The NAACP bought up about 100 of the houses in the neighborhood an sold it to blacks for cheap in an effort to desegregate the community and school. Every year something goes down. Crosses set on fire in blacks front yards, children bullied, cars vandalized w/ racial slurs, kids labeled as “blackey” in the school year book etc…

  165. Tina says:

    Al-Zawarahi also looks like a professor too.

  166. Albert McDougal says:

    But I still look like John Thune….just with a dent.

  167. Brandon says:

    Yeah because the bloods and the crips are such upstanding groups…

  168. DrJay says:

    “There aren’t a lot of black men that would dress like Gates does.”

    Here’s the picture:

    Note that Narragansett Beer has kindly left a case on his porch to share with Crowley and Obama…

  169. Albert McDougal says:

    That’s weird, I read an article this week in Forbe’s that said the KKK closed all their stores AND have totally done away with their clothing line. Short it.

  170. lisab says:

    boy the lighting must be really bad in the room you are in if you think we wrote that only blacks are racist.

    we wrote that gates was justly arrested.

  171. Do you really look like Thune? I would have to judge for myself!

  172. Tina says:

    I wrote this:

    Obama and Gates are racists.

  173. Albert McDougal says:

    I told you. I look like Thune but with bigger hand, bigger feet, a fatter wallet(no money, just a real fatazz wallet) and I also, can slam dunk over 2 cars like him. But I aint braggin…

  174. That’s fine. You are entitled to your own opinion. I bet that you wont find much support for your opinion -calling Obama racist- outside of the republican base.

  175. lisab says:

    yeah … only 40 million people

  176. I think the funniest part of the whole issue is that the cops name is Jim Crowley – like as in Jim Crow laws after slavery

  177. lisab says:

    “In my world 15min from my house there is a community that is populated mostly by the KKK.”

    not 2 minutes from my home two years ago a black assailent tried to force me into a car at knife point …

    oh and that is supposed to be related to the case in cambridge somehow according to libgirl

  178. Tina says:

    I stand by what I wrote and more and more people are seeing it that way based on the polling.

  179. US pop is 439 million

  180. Tina says:

    There is a perception that the Obumbler is a race baiter. I can not change that. He managed to hide it in the last campaign, but many more screw ups like calling Crowley stupid, will cost him.

  181. Brandon says:

    #190. Uh, is that what you are teaching kids? Wow. Try closer to 300 million.

  182. lisab says:

    where do you get your demographic data from tm the toady?

    the united states population is not 439 million

  183. Tina says:

    He should have said that he knew nothing about the incident, did not have the facts in, and that he knew Gates, etc. Possibly just leave the last part out.

    But know, he had to get divide the nation along racial lines because he thinks he is smarter than everybody else.

  184. lisab says:

    when you say you went to school in columbia, did you by any chance mean the “district of”?

  185. DrJay says:

    Yahoo Answers…Poll: is obama a racist?

    Baltimore Sun talk forum: Poll: Is Obama a racist?

  186. Tina says:

    U.S. Population:
    307,212,123 (July 2009 est.)
    country comparison to the world: 4

    Source CIA Fact Books

  187. No, my point in telling you about KKK near my house is that blacks aren’t being race sensitive. We aren’t just bringing it up to be divisive. Its an issue bc its an issue.

  188. lisab says:

    and the worst part is she teaches children

  189. Tina says:


  190. Brandon says:

    Black Pop of US 350 million

  191. Tina says:

    Well lisab, they say are educational system is in crisis – here in CA, they spend more $$$ – and they have dumber teachers, dumber students, bloated bureacracis, etc.

  192. Tina says:

    There must be 139 million illegals somwhere in LG’s number.

    15 million lack health insurance, but are included in the census #s – lacking healthcare.

  193. lisab says:

    439 million is not like being off just a little …

    that is not an approximate answer.

  194. Tina says:

    And yes, I am not alone in the position that Gates and the Obumbler are racists and race baiters.

  195. I almost peed my pants when I saw DrJay source the Yahoo Answers Poll and some dumb newspaper forum LOL – GOOD ONE!

    Yeah, i’m sure that isn’t going to give you a bias sample. Only the people with strong feeling are going to reply to the survey. Not to mention the demographic bias.

  196. lisab says:

    maybe she meant after acorn does the next census

  197. Tina says:

    I do know a lot of good teachers though… They are the lowest one on the pole and their jobs are a lot tougher than they were.

  198. Tina says:

    So, can we just guesstimate that the 139 million includes ACORN’s counting – plus illegals – plus some jihadis somewhere.

  199. DrJay says:

    “the united states population is not 439 million”

    That’s the number of “registered voters” in major metro areas in the U.S.

  200. Tina says:

    New thread..

  201. “Based on a population clock maintained by the U.S. Census Bureau, the current U.S. population, as of 2:30 GMT (EST+5) November 17, 2008 is 305,682,072.[18] A 2004 U.S. Census Bureau report predicted an increase of over 35% by the year 2050.[19] A subsequent 2008 report projects a population of 439 million, which is a 44% increase from 2008.”

    I googled and this was first to pop up…my mistake!

    My point was that the amt that think he is a racist is a very small percent. And I bet most are Republicans.

  202. lisab says:


    actually there are lots of teachers who know the united states’ population is not 439 million … at least half

  203. DrJay says:

    “I almost peed my pants when I saw DrJay source the Yahoo Answers Poll and some dumb newspaper forum LOL – GOOD ONE!”

    I didn’t source them… I just listed them so you could read the comments; I guess you aren’t interested.

    Hopefully incontinence will be covered under Obamacare.

  204. Tina says:

    Lisab, I agree, but it could be the new math for the other half, or third, LOL.

  205. lisab says:

    “I googled and this was first to pop up…my mistake!”

    um … you did not know that?

  206. lisab says:

    40 million is not a small percent of voters btw.

  207. Albert McDougal says:

    We have a billion people in Alabama alone.