PREZ: Obama Leads All Republicans
New poll numbers for the 2012 Presidential race out from Public Policy Polling.
PRESIDENT – NATIONAL (PPP)
Barack Obama (D-inc) 50%
Jeb Bush (R) 37%Barack Obama (D-inc) 48%
Mike Huckabee (R) 41%Barack Obama (D-inc) 53%
Sarah Palin (R) 38%Barack Obama (D-inc) 48%
Mitt Romney (R) 39%Barack Obama (D-inc) 45%
John McCain (R) 40%
This poll was done September 18-21 among 621 likely voters. Not surprising to see considering how they are indoctrinating our children in schools. From Gateway Pundit.
And think, people were upset about Obama’s speech to children…I wonder why…. If you can’t hear the lyrics, you can find them here.
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3 1/2 years out and under 50% against most of them.
Please, oh please, tell me how this poll is possible? Nothing in the last three months gives any indication that he could lead all these candidates. In fact, given the polls we have been looking at over the last month or two I would think anything or anybody running against him would lead.
If this video doesn’t scare the water out of all parents then nothing will. Shows you what type of people are teaching our children.
PPP does the poll. Clue, the one performing the worst against Obama is the best one to run against him (hint
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Sharon, you are obviously a racist. Get with the program. I suggest you tape and review Barrack Obama’s next appearance on Letterman.
It looks likely that the core elements of Obamacare will pass unless (regulation, mandates, taxes, subsides) right now unless the GOP and conservatives in the media refocus on this issue.
This may be just “something called” reform to you but it will be totally transformative to the politics of this country – you can kiss goodbye any conservative governace after 10
Yes, of course they all want to stay in power, but the hard left who is pushing this is more then happy to lose 1 election in the short term in order to insure their long term domination of politics and a continued/easier path to full socialization of this country
I am not crying, nor is anyone else – we are dealing with reality
So far, nothing that we have seen from Obama or the far left indicate they are stopping – nor has there been any sign from the so-called “blue Dogs” that they are not on board with anything but the so-called public option (and that was negotiated away as a concession to the Health Insurance lobby last spring anyways)….
So, ignore at your own peril
Here is more on the cramdown plan:
http://healthcarehorserace.com/therace/09232009/cbo-throws-wrench-in-dem-plans-to-fast-track-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1880
key quote:
“Most senators are in agreement that a final vote by Finance cannot happen without a formal CBO estimate of the costs of the bill – particularly if any Republicans are expected to sign on in support. This seriously complicates any hopes Democrats might have to use reconciliation as a strategy for passing a reform bill out of the Senate. As aforementioned, there would have to be a final Senate bill – which means passing a Finance bill out of committee and merging that bill with the HELP (Health, Education, Labor and Pensions) Committee bill – prior to October 15 for the Democrats to invoke reconciliation and pass the bill out of the Senate on a partisan vote.
Best case scenario – which assumes Baucus can move the Finance bill through mark-up by the end of the week – means an October 12 vote by the Senate Finance Committee which leaves Harry Reid very little time to merge the two Senate bills into something that could pass muster within a divided Democrat party. Baucus clearly recognizes this is ready to apply the pressure to Elmendorf and CBO to “help us get out of this box.”
Here is an excellet piece on how this so-called “health care” reform will basically make you a serf of the Federal government:
http://healthcarehorserace.com/opinion/09232009/obamacare-is-about-controlling-every-aspect-of-your-life/
Now is the time to be scared, very scared. Everyone needs to be jamming the phones, faxes, and mailbags of your elected represenatives.
I called the Hannity show today and was told that they “wanted to talk about anything BUT HEALTH CARE REFORM today!!!”
WTF? All the speeches at the UN, TARPs, etc mean squat and can be fixed – we lose on this health care scam in will be brief number of years until we will never have real conservative government again.
I dunno what the thought pattern is here, we are really easily distracted by the tricks of the left I guess….
Here is the latest D cramdown strategy:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/09/22/passing-a-shell-of-a-bill-how-congress-plans-to-ram-through-health-care-reform/
Well its fait acompli. I will just slash my wrists and end it all.
Perhaps wylie, we are on the wrong side of history and American’s truly want to be taken care of cradle to grave. Perhaps conservatism is really dead.
Ok, so now what do you do?
PPP is democrats for democrats. I have little use for them as they always find more democrats in their polls than show up to the polls.
I would focus as someone else did, the guy got 53% in the election less than a year ago and he can only muster around 48% now. That is a lot of festering buyers remorse. And nothing on the agenda seems to forecast moderation, or a Sister Soulja moment so it will continue downward.
Dave,
Correction…PPP(D)
I’m surprised Romney didn’t do better in this poll. John McCain will be what, 77 in 2012? Ridiculous to have that matchup. I’ve had a big problem with PPP lately.
Why poll Jeb and Mac? Dumbness
#10 Geeesh, you miss the point – I am just saying now is not the time to think that “Obamacare” is dead…
Now is the time to fight harder then ever to AVOID that fate!
Too many people think just stopping the public option is a “victory” – its not, all of it must be stopped now
In any case, here is in an atricle that may at least amuse so of you that think “nothing to see here”:
http://smartgirlnation.com/2009/09/the-president-speaks-to-our-children-information-or-indoctrination/
Nearly all the undecideds (especially in the case of Palin) are voters who disapprove of or have no opinion of Obama’s performance.
So, the remaining undecideds would heavily break towards all three. Obviously in Palin’s case, she’ll need to get Obama under 50% for this to matter and that’ll likely only happen when Obama’s approval slips to around 47-48% on average, instead of the 50-51% average that he is holding right now.
First Charlie Cook, now lib Nate Silver are getting extremely nervous that the GOP will take back the House in 2010.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/09/generic-house-polling-suggests.html
A commentor on there rightly stated 2 reasons that didn’t exist in 1994. Seniors are absolutely pissed at the Dems. The Baucus plan of cutting Medicare Advantage isn’t going to help any either. Second, the Tea Party movement. This wasn’t back there in 1994. Third (my reasons), the GOP is going to be far more energized for this mid-term. Combine this with the dispassionate youth vote because they have soured on Obama with Obama being absent on the ballot: If you’re a Dem you are saying UH OH. Four, Indies have fled away from the Democratic party by as much as a 2-2.5 to 1 margin. It is still a year away but with New Jersey and Virginia governorships about to swweep red, Dem congressmen will distance themselves from Obama and get cold feet on his legislative agenda. Regardless if Obamacare is passed or not, the Democratic party is looking at colassal losses in 2010. Can it get worse? Yes, it looks far worse for them congressionally in 2012.
#17 Again, its short sighted to look at just one or two elections.
The left looks at these items as part of a long term march to socialism – we dont seem to have that kind of vision on the conservative side unfortunately
If any part of Obamacare is passed, it will be transformative to our politics – in 5 or 10 years all elections will be permenantly slanted to the left.
I really have no use for a “big GOP win” in 10 or 12 if Obamacare passes as it wont be able to undo the Obamacare damage…..
Is Beck good for conservatives? Frum vs. Horowitz
In this, Beck is very different even from Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin. I’ve [David Frum] crossed swords with these other broadcasters for other reasons. I believe that their rage and extremism repel more supporters than they attract. But at least these broadcasters do know a lot about politics and hold considered and coherent worldviews. Beck, by contrast, is a random walk, capable of reaching any outcome.
I just don’t see that presidential polls are useful this far out.
Obama is mostly under 50% and this is a PPP poll. Those are the only meaningful facts.
“First Charlie Cook, now lib Nate Silver are getting extremely nervous that the GOP will take back the House in 2010.”
Nate is nervous because Cook is nervous. Now that the “Democrats always win polling strategy” might not always be the case a fraud like Silver has nowhere to go except to copy someone else.
18 – It will just be something else besides SS and medicare to go bankrupt. Who cares? When the kids get a load of their taxes that they will pay to support the elderly, they will either kill the elderly or begin to understand the virtues of small government.
Let it collapse.
Hi chek!
The product of uncle sam healthcare will be such a colossal clusterfark that people will want to ditch it immediately. This can be reversed, especially state by state.
#23 You underestimate the power of dependency – look at Western Europe, they are so conditioned to accept they fight hard too keep it even it the face of the Demographic Death Spiral they are in
Is that what you want to see here?
#25 I wish I shared your enthusiam for a state by state solution but unfortunately real Federalism was killed off long ago
Basically, I would like to beat this Obamacare scam now
Gallup: 51(NC)/42(-1)
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
#25 I think D. Morris has upped his game the past couple of weeks.
Here is a good message from Dick Morris on a common sense strategy to defeat Obamacare NOW:
http://rightwingnews.com/2009/09/dick-morris-knows-how-to-kill-obamacare/?comments=show#comment-33331
As I said earlier, its crunch time to stop the cramdown. So be a good citizen of the “Collective” HHR community and do what you can now to stop the steamroller of death panels!
26 – If the power of dependency is so prolific, then we are on the wrong side of history. I know that you are working hard with elected representatives to stop this and I applaud what you are doing. But suppose for a minute we do lose. Watch going to do then, as all of us will be just a dependent on the government as those who want to be.
Beck, by contrast, is a random walk, capable of reaching any outcome.
Comment by Chekote
say what you want about beck but he was instrumental in taking down van jones and acorn. that’s a lot more than FRUM can say !
#29 No I dont think all hope is lost if the cramdown happens – just that it is much easier to head off now!
Everyone must realize that if its passes then will be in the position of attempting to do what has NEVER been done in any Democratic country – that is actually REPEAL a major handout program PRIOR TO TOTAL COLLAPSE!
OF course, the very checks and balance system that is helping us now would be be working against us to undo Obamacare
Lets put it this way, for all the conservative electoral successes, have we really made a big dent in changing or repealing SSN, Medicare, or most Welfare Programs etc (the welfare reform of 95/96 only touched on one particular program of a range of dozens)
So in any case, this is where I am coming from – dont mean to piss folks off in anyway on here (although I am eveidently doing well at that so I apologize; see not just Obama can do that lol)
May be some of you still need further education on why Individual Mandates need to be opposed.
I am here to help!
Read this:
http://townhall.com/columnists/JacobSullum/2009/09/23/does_cost_of_uncompensated_care_justify_forcing_people_to_buy_insurance?contact=true
Here is the BLUF for you, the “free rider cost” issue is pure BS:
“At a July press conference, President Obama claimed “the average American family is paying thousands of dollars in hidden costs” because uncompensated health care for the uninsured drives up the price of medical coverage. In an interview with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos on Sunday, by contrast, he said uncompensated care costs the average family $900.
According to a 2008 report from the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation, both of those estimates are way off. The foundation’s analysis indicates that the true annual cost per family is more like $200, with uncompensated care accounting for “less than 1 percent of private health insurance costs.”
Wylie, we have a $53 trillion unfunded liability in SS and Medicare. we have $7 billion in deficits. This is going to be just another straw. They cannot tax us enough to pay for it all. It will eventually collapse, which is what I am waiting for.
it has gotten so ludicrous that I am really beyond caring anymore. When mainstream politicians are talking secession out loud, when working people are pissed enough to gather on the Capitol steps, when ammo sales are up for another straight month…change is coming, baby.
A difference Wylie-people in America have enjoyed the best healthcare. When the government fouls it up and shows its value, a true boondoggle, then people will rebel en masse. There is a diff if something has no history like SS.
#33 knova
You have hit upon something which has been hiding in plain sight all along. Even if Obamacare is passed and the US falls into a social welfare state trance, the massive liabilities of Social Security, Medicare, and Obamacare will ultimately result in a collapse of that whole welfare system. That, in my view would be a good thing. We would be able to rebuild a new system along Reagan conservative principles. We may not get that far though, as we begin to see the outlines of huge consevative electoral gains, perhaps beginning in VA and NJ, then on into the 2010-2012 election cycles. If we’re successful, we can begin to undo some of the damage which could happen under Obama.
Marv
Have all the “Ghosts” been purged from HHR?
someone posted here in the last few weeks a link to about a 20 page synopsis of Atlas Shrugged. If anyone has it I need to forward to a friend
Atlas Shrugged
http://www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/LitNote/Atlas-Shrugged-Book-Summary.id-7,pageNum-1.html
http://www.gradesaver.com/atlas-shrugged/
Sometimes I think that maybe we should the HC go through so that the idiot Americans out there can experience for themselves what other countries have.
#40 Chek,
I tend to agree with you on that one. The idiots who voted for this guy should be forced to pay for their lunacy. Unfortunately, the rest of us would suffer for their screw up.
Marv
The thing about the way you look at this is…its not just giving something to a population. It’s the flipside. The government is really taking somthing away. That does not bode well for the Barrackillac and his Dems. This can be reversed and it will be be bc the gov never does anything well and that time, when it comes, will clearly make him the worst pres ever, without question to any one in the punditry class.
So far the liberal talking point on this video seems to be “We all sang songs about the presidents when we were kids! I remember singing about Washington and Lincoln…”
So go so far as to lie and say that they were forced to sing about Reagan.
Schoolchildren also sang praise to Bush after Katrina, in Louisiana. Were they also indoctrinated?