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    Marshall/Bollier Tied in KS, Two Additional Polls in IA

    It has been a busy day for polls from Iowa and Kansas today as after I posted the numbers this morning. In Iowa, we also received polls from Emerson College and Siena College/NY Times.

    PRESDIENT – IOWA (Emerson College)
    Donald Trump (R-inc) 48%
    Joe Biden (D) 48%

    PRESDIENT – IOWA (Siena College/NYT)
    Joe Biden (D) 46%
    Donald Trump (R-inc) 43%

    US SENATE – IOWA (Emerson College)
    Joni Ernst (R-inc) 51%
    Theresa Greenfield (D) 46%

    US SENATE – IOWA (Siena College/NYT)
    Joni Ernst (R-inc) 45%
    Theresa Greenfield (D) 44%

    The Emerson poll was done October 19-21 among likely voters. The Siena College poll was done October 15-19 among likely voters. Meanwhile, Public Policy Polling has a new poll out of Kansas showing a much closer US Senate race than the poll earlier today.

    US SENATE – KANSAS (PPP)
    Barbara Bollier (D) 43%
    Roger Marshall (R) 43%

    This poll was done October 19-20 among 897 voters.

    Posted by Dave at 4:43 pm
    Filed under: General | Comments (612)

    612 Responses to “Marshall/Bollier Tied in KS, Two Additional Polls in IA”

    1. BayernFan says:

      First

    2. Tina says:

      The Rudy Guiliani claim did not happen.

      The Jebot posted the hoax a thread or two ago.

      Jebots love their hoaxes.

    3. Tina says:

      Lying pos jebots.

      Hotep Maximus
      @Jev2DaMaximum
      ·
      9m
      Replying to
      @Cernovich
      To recap the day so far:

      The media tried to frame Giuliani tucking his shirt into his pants while in a room with a 24 year-old actress as ‘reaching for his genitals in front of a 15 year old’.

      Meanwhile, Hunter Biden’s laptop is ‘not newsworthy’.

    4. Ridin' with Biden says:

      Oh my goodness. If we can win Iowa, that means landslide.

    5. lisab says:

      The main point is that the stories of Hunter need to be explained as to what they say about Joe – he’s the candidate, not Hunter.
      ———————————-

      again … if the vp, a MAN, allowed his son the abuse a young GIRL

      women will not forgive that

      not in the meetoo era

    6. Stonewall DW says:

      Democratic Party Platform:
      1) Anti-Police
      2) Pro-Looting
      3) Sieze retirement savings
      4) Sieze guns
      5) Pro-illegal immigration
      6) Rural America must bail out the failed Democrat cities
      7) If you are not a person of color, you are a racist whether you want to be or not.
      8) Pro-mutilation of young children
      9) Open prison doors and let them all go free
      10) End the free speech of anyone who dissents
      11) Anti-National Anthem
      12) Pro-Mail out ballots to all people: citizens, non-citizens, living, and dead.
      13) Pro-anarchy
      14) Pro-cancel culture
      15) Pro-rationing of gov’t controlled healthcare
      16) Pro-Force taxpayers to pay off student loan debt instead of the students who took the loans.
      17) Pro-“Green” new deal to devastate the economy with crippling regulations and destroy the energy industry.
      18) Pro-“Republicans are enemies of the state” (so aim your weapons at them carefully)
      19) Endless mob violence unless you vote Democrats into office
      20) Pro-never ending shut downs to keep everyone under government control
      21) Pro-send millions of jobs back to China
      22) Pro-never ending of jobless benefits
      23) Pro-living wage
      24) DC to become 51st state
      25) Anti-Peace in the middle east
      26) Pro-sex with minors
      27) Anti-vaccine until after the election.
      28) Pro-replacing lower court system with lynch mobs.
      29) Pro-Packing the SCOTUS with commies
      30) Promised to BAN fracking

      Vote Trump to save Western Civilization.

    7. Tina says:

      What happened to Kampala in Asheville, Nc?

    8. Greymarch says:

      McSally is a goner.

      Collins is likely to lose.

      Gardner is a goner.

      Tillis is a toss-up.

      Ernst will win in IA.

      Graham will win in SC.

      GOP regains a senate seat in AL.

      For argument’s sake, let’s assume Tillis loses (I think he will win. I live in Raleigh. I know the lay of the land.) That would give the dems net total of 3 more seats. GOP loses net total of 3 seats. Senate is 50/50. However….

      The senate races in MN and especially MI have tightened. Given the nightmare scenario I listed above, if the GOP can pick-off MI or MN, the GOP will keep the majority in the senate (51/49)

      Election night, at least for me, is more about watching these close senate races. I’ll have a dozen or more tabs open to the best sites I can find for the most up to date vote totals for all these senate races.

      Democracy rocks!

    9. NYCmike says:

      Greymarch is here for his 2-minute-downer.

    10. Gordon Allen says:

      It will be so liberating not to have Wissing hyperventilating over every nutty left wing pol after the election.
      Would be a hoot listening to the dinner conversation. My instinct tells me the left senses it slipping away, including Wissing. Also to be liberated from the paid,living in his parents basement,troll.
      I wonder if he’ll be eligible for enhanced unemployment after he’s laid off November 4?

    11. michael corleone says:

      I would not write-off Collins or McSally. Still two weeks left and they are both closing strong.

    12. Smack says:

      All Early Voting – Florida
      ————

      Oct 21st / 9:43am

      DEM: 1,743,408 46.24%

      GOP: 1,263,486 33.51%

      Oct 21st / 10:36am

      DEM: 1,758,538 46.09%

      GOP: 1,284,921 33.68%

      Oct 21st / 11:00am

      DEM: 1,776,792 46.02%

      GOP: 1,296,202 33.76%

      Oct 21st / 12:26pm

      DEM: 1,785648 45.86%

      GOP: 1,319,994 33.90%

      Oct 21st / 2:40pm

      DEM: 1,840,556 45.60%

      GOP: 1,378,069 34.14%

      Oct 21st / 3:40pm

      DEM: 1,861,221 45.53%

      GOP: 1,398,528 34.21%

      Oct 21st / 4:00pm

      DEM: 1,867,708 45.49%

      GOP: 1,406,654 34.25%

      Remarkable energy from GOP registered voters today during in-person voting.

    13. Will says:

      Why do we think Susan Collins will lose?

    14. NYCmike says:

      McSally is a goner.

      Collins is likely to lose.

      Gardner is a goner.

      -I can see all 3 of them going our way or the other way.

      Play the game until the end.

    15. Phil says:

      I would not write off Collins just yet.

      ….and PPP’s Kansas Poll is a hoot.

    16. Tina says:

      We could take 2 of 3.

      But doo res, got to doom.

    17. Stonewall DW says:

      What’s the expectation in FL, between 9 and 10 million total votes?

    18. BRENT says:

      Cotto/Gottfried
      @CottoGottfried
      Level 1:
      Well, in Sumter County, Dems are below 15 percent with in-person early voting, while GOPers are almost at 72 percent. Wish certain folks had listened to my report from The Villages on Saturday; they would not be surprised right now. Oh well.

    19. BRENT says:

      GallopingGhost
      @GallopingGhos11
      ·
      5m
      Level 2:
      And Reps now up 13% in early voting in Texas!

    20. BillW says:

      #7 Tina

      I looked at three of the local news reports from Kamala in Asheville. I counted about 20 people who were not media or in her entourage.

      One of the local stations called the crowd “small, but enthusiastic”. I would call it pathetic.

    21. RB says:

      Ron Johnson was given up by everyone including the NRSC

      At 10:45 he was declared the winner…shocking even Republicans…

      You never know

    22. Wes says:

      PPP could get Collier ONLY to a tie with 14% either undecided or going to third parties. We can safely say Marshall hangs on.

    23. Phil says:

      19

      That makes no sense. Texas is tied 47-47.

    24. Tina says:

      I am sure Faux News will have China Biden up in Texas.

    25. Tina says:

      Frank Dunce loves the Bidens. Look at this 2012 email:

      https://twitter.com/WarRoomPandemic/status/1319022578002964485

    26. Greymarch says:

      How does the judiciary committee decide what is a “quorom” within its committee?

      https://dailycaller.com/2020/10/21/senate-democrats-boycott-amy-coney-barrett-committee-vote-report/

      Dems are going to boycott the judiciary committee vote on Barrett tomorrow. Only 9 members need to be present for a quorum, but according to this article, two of the nine must be from each party.
      Barrett’s getting a senate floor vote no matter what happens with the committee vote tomorrow. The committee hearings are just a formality anyhow. Hell, Bork received more “no” votes than “yes” votes from the jud committee, and he got a floor vote anyhow.

    27. Gordon Allen says:

      If Trump wins McSally , Ernst,and Collins probably win. Colorado ? Alabama and Michigan,and possibly Minnesota win. Given objective, ascertainable data Biden shouldn’t be close except for the one party MSM. We will see how powerful they are.

    28. Stonewall DW says:

      Silver refuses to list the Big Data Poll results on his ‘comprehensive’ list of polls that include panels, and even Survey Monkey junk that isn’t even close to scientific.

      If he thinks Baris is junk and will be way off, then why not list his polls so he can mock him on election night?

    29. Pitchaboy says:

      Gator Boy: D lead shrinking in FL EV. Get some swamp creatures out fast to the polls.

    30. Stonewall DW says:

      Dem polling firm Garin-Hart-Yang Research Group, whose state polling up to this point shows Trump barely ahead in red states and way behind in battleground states, now out with a new national poll showing:

      Trump 44
      Biden 51 (Biden +7)

      Hmm….not 10 to 12 like some of them.

    31. Gatorbillyjoel says:

      Yes, all the way down to 470,000 votes. At this rate, Republicans will catch Dems in 23 days!

    32. Stonewall DW says:

      Peoples_Pundit
      @Peoples_Pundit
      ·
      3m
      Individual Campaign Contributions Macomb, Michigan:

      @realDonaldTrump
      : $1,715,770
      @JoeBiden
      : $301,098

    33. Phil says:

      Appeals Court allows NC to accept ballots 9 days after election.

      Add this one to Pennsylvania.

      As Baris just tweeted – these judges don’t mind Americans killing each other just for their own ends.

      Imagine, Trump leading after election night in both NC and Pennsylvania. Then these mail in votes start coming in for days after the election (Democrats will know exactly how many votes they will need based on the completed election night returns) and these late arriving votes “miraculously” put Biden ahead….which h is what they are designed to do.

      This is going be ugly folks. Civil War ugly.

    34. Gatorbillyjoel says:

      I know you guys hate it when people’s votes are allowed to be counted. If only their was a poll tax and property ownership requirement to vote.

    35. Stonewall DW says:

      If you want your vote to count, send it in by election day. Otherwise shut up.

    36. Stonewall DW says:

      Both the PA and NC decisions will go to SCOTUS after Barrett is seated.

    37. PhilS says:

      This will be thrown out by Barrett next Tuesday.

    38. Brion says:

      There is an election date moron! Rules don’t matter to the left

    39. Stonewall DW says:

      What about those poor 17 year olds who will turn 18 on November 5, 6, or 7, or 20? Why not extend the election so they can vote too?

    40. PhilS says:

      There are 509 people watching Obama Philly “campaign drive-in rally” for Biden on Youtube. 509. Live.

      Yesterday, Trump’s Erie PA rally had 300,000+ online viewers.

    41. Phil says:

      It very well could be thrown out….and there wouldn’t be a thing Roberts could do about it.

      What bothers me is that there are courts that so far have Made rulings that guarantee the weeks after the election will be complete turmoil, chaos and bitterness…..and they don’t f*cking care. Whatever it takes to get Biden across the line.

      God help us.

    42. Gatorbillyjoel says:

      Only the Russians can help you at this point.

    43. PhilS says:

      Even the Chinese can’t help Pedophile Joe.

    44. PhilS says:

      The moron Pedo Joe bet his race on mail-in vote. Ha ha ha ha.

      Didn’t realize that Barrett would make confetti for Trump parade.

    45. Stonewall DW says:

      BOOOM!!

      Data for Progress (D) – MICHIGAN

      Trump 48
      Biden 45
      Jorgenson 2

    46. Stonewall DW says:

      Silver just playing with us…he pulled that one back.

      Un-boom.

    47. JeffP says:

      42…CCP/Russians = DNC and you know that’s true. Your all in bed together.

    48. jaichind says:

      I think the Data for Progress poll for MI is Biden 50 Trump 45

    49. Stonewall DW says:

      Silver put up there Data for Progress Trump 48 / Biden 45, so I posted it, but when I scrolled down and saw that they had James down 5 in senate race, I knew it had to be a mistake. So I refreshed, and they flipped it to Biden 50 / Trump 45 in MI. Still closer than their prior poll.

    50. Tina says:

      Political Polls
      @PpollingNumbers
      · 8m
      #NEW Michigan Poll:

      Trump 48% (+3)
      Biden 45%
      Jorgensen 2%

      @DataProgress (LV, 10/ 15-18)

    51. JeffP says:

      45 is that legit?

    52. Gordon Allen says:

      If Biden was winning by 8 points or so,why the concern about keeping balloting open after their victory on November 3? There’s one obvious reason.

    53. Tina says:

      With leaders 50 to 45 China

    54. Tina says:

      Leaners*

    55. Stonewall DW says:

      https://filesforprogress.org/memos/2020-senate-project/week-5/toplines/dfp_psp_mi_10.21.2020.pdf

      No way there would be that much disparity by adding leaners. Junk poll.

    56. Gatorbillyjoel says:

      Good news out of Georgia

      Ossoff (D) 48%
      Perdue (R) 43%
      Hazel (L) 6%

      Garin-Hart-Yang Research Group
      (LV, 10/11-14)

    57. Waingro says:

      Here are the real numbers for that Data for Progress MI poll. Looks 538 screwed up…

      Data for Progress
      @DataProgress
      Police cars revolving lightNew Poll – MI Police cars revolving light
      Biden 50 / Trump 45
      Peters 48 / James 43
      https://filesforprogress.org/memos/2020-senate-project/week-5/toplines/dfp_psp_mi_10.21.2020.pdf

      But…

    58. Tina says:

      Rudy W. Giuliani
      @RudyGiuliani
      ·
      27m
      (4) We are preparing much bigger dumps off of the hard drive from hell, of which Joe Biden will be unable to defend or hide from. I have the receipts.

    59. Greymarch says:

      #53: ? Tina, Not clear what you are implying.

    60. Waingro says:

      Robert Barnes
      @Barnes_Law
      ·
      6m
      Entire lead comes from a predicted massive edge amongst those who already voted, but a quick look at a Democratic vendor’s voting file for Michigan shows nowhere near that lead. As adjusted, this actually forecasts a Trump win in Michigan. https://filesforprogress.org/memos/2020-senate-project/week-5/toplines/dfp_psp_mi_10.21.2020.pdf

    61. Stonewall DW says:

      and without leaners, same poll has James +5

    62. Gatorbillyjoel says:

      Arizona:
      Biden 50%
      Trump 46%
      Jorgensen (L) 1%

      Florida:
      Biden 51%
      Trump 46%
      Jorgensen (L) 1%
      West (I) 1%

      Ipsos Tracking Poll (LV, 10/14-10/21)

      May need to pay Boris more money to get you a poll soon.

    63. Waingro says:

      #60, as Barnes says: they have early vote going in MASSIVE numbers to the Dems by over 70%, which conflicts with the early voting file.

      Also, if you look at leaners, James is winning those plus indies by a fairly wide margin.

      MI is Trump’s and James’ for the taking!

    64. Rudy G says:

      Taking my hand out of my pants long enough to tell you all that I have got a big dump for you all. A steaming one. You’re gonna love it.

    65. Greymarch says:

      Interesting thing about “leaners”…. A majority of them will not vote. After all, if you are “leaning” towards a candidate, you are not exactly enthusiastic about that candidate. Enthusiasm = motivation to vote.

    66. Stonewall DW says:

      the leaners stuff makes no sense in that poll.

      If the base poll is Trump 48 / Biden 45, then he has Jorgensen at 2, and Not Sure at 5.

      So if you push the 5 getting leaners out of them, how does it flip to 50 / 45 for Biden??

      There is something wrong with this.

    67. Tina says:

      Grey, they gave two results for that mi poll.

      One with leaners, one without.

      Seems screwy.

    68. Smack says:

      All Early Voting – Florida

      Oct 21st / 9:43am

      DEM: 1,743,408 46.24%

      GOP: 1,263,486 33.51%

      …..and now….

      Oct 21st / 5:12pm

      DEM: 1,889,165 45.42%

      GOP: 1,420,793 34.33%

      Ground game
      Ground game
      Ground game

      GOP

    69. Waingro says:

      And Fox News just dropped a bunch of garbage state polls that I won’t even bother with.

    70. Phil says:

      Most likely a typo. Base poll was no doubt Biden 48-45….they just got the two numbers switched.

    71. Tina says:

      Toss. Quinn and Faux.

      Btw, Frank Luntz is a scam artist.

    72. Gatorbillyjoel says:

      New Fox Polls

      Ohio seems to be overestimating Rump support, but otherwise, looks pretty accurate.

      #Michigan
      Biden 52% (+12)
      Trump 40%

      #Pennsylvania
      Biden 50% (+5)
      Trump 45%

      #Wisconsin
      Biden 49% (+5)
      Trump 44%

      #Ohio
      Trump 48% (+3)
      Biden 45%

    73. jaichind says:

      Frankly 538 should really display both results (leaners and w/o leaners). One can argue that w/o learners is low turnout model and one with leaners is high turnout model. 538 usually show both results when polls have different results for RV and LV and within LV different turnout models.

    74. Ridin with Biden says:

      The initial BOOM was in fact correct. So let’s try again.

      BOOOM!!

      Data for Progress (D) – MICHIGAN

      Trump 45
      Biden 50
      Jorgenson 2

    75. Gatorbillyjoel says:

      #NEW CNN/SSRS Poll:

      Pennsylvania
      Biden 53 (+10)
      Trump 43

      Florida:
      Biden 50% (+4)
      Trump 46%

      I thought you guys were predicting some poll tightening? Keep the great predictions coming.

    76. Gil says:

      The Republicans need to tie Democrats running for the Senate to Biden. Force them to go on record about Hunter’s Laptop. Either they support Biden or condemn the Hunter laptop fiasco. If they support Biden/Hunter, it will hurt them personally in their campaigns. If they come against Biden/Hunter, it will hurt Biden.

    77. Gatorbillyjoel says:

      90% of American’s don’t know about “Hunter’s laptop.” The 10% that do are partisans on both sides who aren’t going to change their mind regardless.

      What is the word you all like to use a lot? Nothingburger?

    78. Ridin with Biden says:

      “New Fox Polls”

      ***

      Toss the Ohio poll. I like the others.

      It does feel good to toss polls. It’s no wonder the people here feel so good about the state of the presidential race.

    79. jaichind says:

      78. Actually the PA and WI poll for FOX is a swing toward Trump from their last poll.

    80. Gatorbillyjoel says:

      I’m sure they will hold Ohio up as a positive and ignore the other 999 polls. Ignoring reality is the where Rump-kissers seem to be most comfortable.

    81. NYCmike says:

      “90% of American’s don’t know about “Hunter’s laptop.””

      -A liberal Democrat finds this to be a good thing……there is no need to wonder why communist countries will continue to exist despite their terrible track record….there will ALWAYS be people like Croc who do not believe in a free and independent press……until its too late for them, on a personal level.

    82. “I’m sure they will hold Ohio up as a positive”

      ***

      Mr. Trump won Ohio by 8. If an Ohio +3 poll is a positive, then that is the most wonderous news. It means we have easily won in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida, and Arizona.

      Simply Sublime!

    83. Boog says:

      WISCONSIN
      Trump 45%
      Biden 45%
      Jorgensen 5%

      @SusquehannaPR

      It is no wonder Trump has been dancing his way through his rallies. His internals must already show that he has the EVs to win. With his “core 4” of FL NC AZ OH, and ME-2, he has a floor of 260. Any of the rust belt states puts him over, and WI (and probably MI) are already there.

    84. Gordon Allen says:

      Well we know the MSM is committed to their narrative to the end. There will be no convergence. It is laughable to posit a 12 point Biden lead in Michigan,and Fox and their pollster know that.Even Biden’s manager knows differently.But don’t care. Could be an interesting evening Nov 3

    85. Tina says:

      And nobody there and nobody streaming?

      e Reckoning ? Retweeted

      Rich Zeoli
      @Richzeoli
      ·
      11m
      So Obama comes to Philly to campaign for Biden and Biden stays home? Less than 30 miles away in Wilmington? Anyone else think that’s…strange?

    86. Justin says:

      Any update on North Carolina? Was it a good in-person voting day for R’s?

    87. LivintheDream says:

      #86 Two votes from my house. One to come.

    88. Wes says:

      We won’t know today’s results till tomorrow, Justin. Currently Republicans are down by 349k votes in early voting. That’s decent for the Dems but nowhere near what they need for Biden to carry the state.

    89. Brion says:

      What state wes?

    90. pitchaboy says:

      Still believe he will pull out a narrow win in PA. Looks like he will not need it. Doing great in WI and MI. Gator Boy, do you have any swamps in those states to send your bros to the polls and rescue Slo Joe?

    91. MikeP says:

      weel, My wife and I got our “I voted” stickers today. In Houston area. We are seeing Trump ads on Fox News here

    92. Tina says:

      Political Polls
      @PpollingNumbers
      · 17m
      Florida 6:30 PM Update:

      Vote-By-Mail
      Dem: 1,510,110 (+547,130)
      Rep: 962,980
      Other: 664,356

      Total: 3,137,446

      In-Person EV
      Rep: 459,993 (+85,809)
      Dem: 374,184
      Other: 174,228

      Total: 1,008,405

      https://tinyurl.com/y2wulups

    93. Gordon Allen says:

      A net of around 360,000 won’t do it for Democrat’s in Florida. Believe mostly Republican counties tomorrow will reduce further. Looking like a 300,000 vote plus in Florida,as opposed to to around 120,000 in 2016.

    94. pitchaboy says:

      Data for Progress is indeed 48-45 DJT-SJ. And then, they do gymnastics to get Slo Joe to 50-45. In a push, you cant get people to drop off a candidate, you get the undecideds to pick. Take away: MI is tied to advantage DJT. Enthusiasm will win unless Gator Boy finds his bros.

    95. Stonewall DW says:

      96 – how did you confirm its not a typo?

    96. marc says:

      These trolls are hilarious and clearly one person pretending to be two or three people. I wonder who it is?

    97. Wes says:

      A new poll says Smith leads Lewis 43-42 in MN-Sen.

      Call me skeptical.

      Norm Coleman was the last Republican to win a Senate race in MN. He faced an elderly Walter Mondale in a year when Democrats seriously turned off voters during the Wellstone Memorial.

      Of course Al Franken stole the seat seven years later.

      Forgive me for thinking Trump gets no closer than a high double-digit loss against Smith.

    98. BayernFan says:

      So what is the FBI gonna announce in a few minutes? All over Twitter.

    99. Stonewall DW says:

      The troll are all one person:

      Proud Obamacon
      Ridin’
      Gator
      Baris
      Rudy Giuliani

      All of them are Proud Obamacon

    100. MrVito says:

      “ For argument’s sake, let’s assume Tillis loses (I think he will win. I live in Raleigh. I know the lay of the land.)”

      Oh? When did you move?

    101. Phil says:

      So, Wes. Now that the Circuit Court has allowed ballots to come in NINE days AFTER election days how much of a lead does Trump need to have on election night when the “extra ballots” keep flowing in over 9 days.

      Is the NC Republican Party run by morons?

    102. BayernFan says:

      Significant election interference. Maybe Oregon? Any minute now.

    103. Phil says:

      Where do you get Oregon?

    104. Wes says:

      You do know that will go to the Supreme Court, I hope, Phil. They’ve been striking down these egregious election rewrites for the most part.

    105. Phil says:

      Pennsylvania went to the Supreme Court, Wes and Roberts f*cked us.

    106. Stonewall DW says:

      Barrett gets sworn in, next day they strike down the outrageous Democrat attempts at cheating in PA and NC.
      Election Day has been on every calendar since they were printed for publication over a year ago. There was plenty of time for everyone to plan and have their vote count if they wanted to vote and have it counted.

      Extension only serves to invite fraud, and disenfranchise legitimate voters. Furthermore, it invites civil unrest. People will be killed over it. We are currently in a cold-civil war. It could easily turn into a hot war.

    107. Bitterlaw says:

      I wonder how many years the polls will stay open in East St. Louis.

    108. PhilS says:

      The SC punted on PA, they didn’t decide the case, just did not grant a stay.

      And after Mon, John Souter Roberts is no longer in charge.

    109. Stonewall DW says:

      107- PA can come back with another angle, get the 5-4 ruling and be done with it.

    110. Steant1965 says:

      I just read that Trump has 30,000 people at his North Carolina rally. That’s crazy. Sorry, but these polls can’t be right.

    111. Bitterlaw says:

      PhilS changed handles. Why not ProudObamacon?

    112. PhilS says:

      In comparison, Obama had 30 people at his Philly rally.

    113. PhilS says:

      Who said I changed handles, stupid?

    114. Wes says:

      Liberals threw everything they had at Roberts–to the point of slandering him as gay–yet he sides with them on a host of issues.

      Yet another reason I loathe the fact that GWB exists.

      I can see why Texans voted for GWB to be President:

      They wanted him out of their state. I can’t blame them.

    115. Phil says:

      Wes, I hate W with a passion.

    116. SoHope says:

      30k at a NC rally in the 10 largest county in NC. I am 10 minutes from the rally but not going because I’m a Trump voter but not a MAGA type.

      In 2016 Trump got 60k votes in Gaston County. Half of them are at his rally tonight…INSANE!

    117. Bitterlaw says:

      Just a warning to not get too certain. I hope Barrett would rule in favor of Trump. However, what does the text of the Constitution as written say about mail in ballots during a pandemic? Lifetime appointments are a sweet gig with no strings attached.

    118. BRENT says:

      gop needs to learn to cheat as well to offset the democrat cheating going on in big cities

    119. mnw says:

      109 BL

      That was a City of St. Louis, MO phenomenon, not an East St. Louis, IL one, & it pretty well got stamped out when the GOP gained control of every aspect of MO state govt & the MO courts.

      East St. Louis, IL is a tiny municipality, & as far as I can remember, the polls there have never been kept open late. Now… ESL DID have a prodigious vote buying tradition, but several federal prosecutions seemingly ended THAT. As one respected & well-known DEM leader in St. Clair County said, “We’ve got to find a new way of doing things now,” i.e., after people were convicted of vote buying in federal court.

    120. Pitchaboy says:

      DW: went to the site page.

    121. Wes says:

      Same here, Phil.

      Of course Bitterlaw still worships him.

      Then again Bitterlaw would rather have a corrupt child rapist representing him in the Senate than a guy with a Southern accent, so what can I say?

    122. BillW says:

      PA Supreme Court ruling – not acted on

      All Federal appeals ourt rulings – set aside

      See the pattern?

      (States run their own elections. Feds shouldn’t interfere.)

    123. marc says:

      Chief Justice Robert turned out to be a major disappointment, 15 years later, the turning point seems to have been in 2012 when he created law out of thin air.

    124. Bitterlaw says:

      Zzzzzzzzzzzz. PhilS referred to posts I made in 2015 but pretends he is new here. For only the 14th time in 16 years, I will post LOL.

    125. Country Dick Montana says:

      Roberts has always been about protecting the “legitimacy” of the SC. He doesn’t want it or be political, or so he says. Nothing says political like a bunch of 5-4 decisions.

      He needs to get back to ruling on the Constitution. Of Trump wins I would love to see him nominate ACB fro Chief Justice and send him back to being just a Justice. Might be enough to make him quit

    126. PhilS says:

      “(States run their own elections. Feds shouldn’t interfere.)”

      Unless the state laws or processes violate the Constitution.

      As in Bush v Gore 2000.

    127. Tina says:

      Jack Posobiec Flag of United States
      @JackPosobiec
      ·
      6m
      TRUMP: “The smoking gun emails say 10% held by the big guy. He doesn’t look so big to me.”

    128. Stonewall DW says:

      “However, what does the text of the Constitution as written say about mail in ballots during a pandemic?”

      Why not stretch it out a month so 17 year olds about to turn 18 can also vote?

      Its about the LAW. If Barrett violates the law at her first vote, she was the wrong pick.

    129. PhilS says:

      ZZZZZZZ

      Your are stupid. Really. See a shrink.

    130. Tina says:

      Jack Posobiec ??
      @JackPosobiec
      ·
      4m
      The FBI just confirmed Iran ran a false flag campaign to help Joe Biden by posing as the Proud Boys

      Many, many members of the media fell for this

    131. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes, a man responsible for a pregnant woman being beaten by her boyfriend and an apologist for slavery in America, is too stupid to realize that I do not live in New Jersey and have not lived there since 1994.

    132. Annie says:

      100. BayernFan…That evidence shows that Iran was responsible for sending threatening letters to Democrats, and not the Proud Boys.

    133. PhilS says:

      ““However, what does the text of the Constitution as written say about mail in ballots during a pandemic?”

      Extending the voting period in one state deprives the federal civil rights of the citizens of other states. thus a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of 14th Amendment of the US Constitution.

      (See, US Constitution.)

      This was the reasoning for the Bush v Gore 2000 decision. Recount in 3 counties violated the rights of the citizens of other counties. That’s why the SC stopped the recounts. Even though all activities were within the state of Florida.

    134. Wes says:

      Apologist for slavery?

      You may want to brush up on who the slavery apologist is, Bitterlaw, since I’m not the one of us extolling the “virtues” of the one state in the union with a politician currently connected to the slave trade representing it on Capitol Hill.

      You frequently say you hate the South because of its accents. You never say you hate New Jersey because its senior Senator is a corrupt child rapist, Bitter.

      Why is that?

      If you really hate slavery as much as you pretend shouldn’t you ream New Jersey every other post just as you do the South?

    135. PhilS says:

      And there is no pandemic exception in the Constitution.

    136. marc says:

      Stonewall DW says:
      October 21, 2020 at 7:31 pm
      The troll are all one person:

      Proud Obamacon
      Ridin’
      Gator
      Baris
      Rudy Giuliani

      All of them are Proud Obamacon
      ——————-

      How pathetic can you get and get the quisling Wissing supports this? After the election he should do like Corey and hang up his spurs

    137. Tina says:

      The confederate cooler, cheeseburger, and tax lien club got caught colluding with the Iranians

      They deleted their tweet

    138. BillW says:

      The Constitition does not specity a single day for the Presidential election, so accepting late votes does not violate the Constitution.

      It does violate federal law however, which requires that everyone vote on the Tuesday after the 1st Monday of November. Actually, early voting violates federal law.

    139. Phil says:

      Marc, do you suppose he gets paid five times – once for each handle?

    140. mnw says:

      The misspelled words in the troll posts also supports Stonewall’s theory that all of those sock names are ProudObamacon.

    141. Wes says:

      By the way, I was among those who desperately hoped “Confederate Corey” Stewart was the exact wrong choice for the GOP to nominate against Tim Kaine in 2018 precisely because his outmoded views on the Confederacy would be anathema and bring disaster on the VAGOP.

      He lost 41-57 and dragged three GOP Congressmen down with him, so I was right. The VAGOP probably didn’t learn the obvious lesson though.

    142. BillW says:

      Bush v Gore was an equal protection decision that concluded a partial recount was incompatible with equal protection.

      It was not about accepting votes late, accepting late votes, or extending election ‘day’.

    143. Scooterboy says:

      Where is Jason?

      I haven’t seen him post for a few days. He even missed

      Bunco night at the A-hole clubhouse.

    144. Stonewall DW says:

      FRIDAY: Trump going to The Villages in FL, then Pensacola for rallies.

    145. Phil says:

      Wes, give us a current assessment on the NC senate race.

      I don’t see any polls of late showing Mr family values up 7 or 8 points anymore.

    146. Tina says:

      The Iranian mullahs were interfering in our election to help China Biden.

    147. PhilS says:

      Having different election periods in different states violates equal protection, by definition.

      Voters in NC get 9 days to have their votes in, voters in ID get 1 day.

      Incompatible with equal protection

    148. Stonewall DW says:

      Furthermore, precedent suggests extending voting hours is around the idea of a precinct where the machines broke, and so the judge rules they can keep it open an extra couple of hours so the people in line can vote.

      There is NO SUCH GLITCH involved here with PA and NC because they CAN vote early, and Covid-19 does not prevent them from getting the ballot returned in time to arrive on election day.

    149. Wes says:

      I told you already, Phil:

      This string of affairs has damaged “Family Values” Cal’s credibility and highlighted just how much of a political lightweight I viewed him as.

      Early voting is at the high end of the range of where Republicans need it so Trump and Tillis can win, but I’m still calling both races for them.

    150. jaichind says:

      If Russia and or Iran were to interfere in elections it would not be in support of any one candidate. If I were them I would rig the vote in favor of Biden in deep blue states and rig the vote in favor of Trump in battle ground states. To cause maximum chaos they would want a deep PV EV vote split.

    151. Bitterlaw says:

      Save it, Wes. You refused to say slavery was evil when given the chance for years.

      I just want a beach house. Just not one in the most overrated beach area I ever saw (the Outer Banks).

    152. Tina says:

      “It would not be in support of one candidate.”

      This is wrong. Did you watch the fib/dni presentation?
      The mullahs were favoring China Biden.

      Please try to stay inform.

    153. Wes says:

      You refuse to say Menendez is evil for raping underage sex slaves while currently serving as a United States Senator, Bitter.

      Who’s apologizing for slavery again?

    154. Wes says:

      You literally want to own property in a state whose senior Senator you know rapes underage sex slaves.

      How are you not an apologist for slavery?

    155. JeffP says:

      101 DW…great call…Obamathecon…makes sense.

      Obamathecon=CCP/Russia

    156. lisab says:

      After the election he should do like Corey and hang up his spurs
      ————————-

      corey has not hung up his spurs

      he has lost his mind

      almost to the point where i actually fear he might harm himself if trump wins

    157. marc says:

      Anyone spoken to Corey? Is he supporting Biden? I miss his predictions.

    158. Bitterlaw says:

      Apparently, Wes missed years of my posts saying Menendez should go to jail for life.

    159. lisab says:

      Is he supporting Biden?
      ———

      yes

    160. Wes says:

      Can you show me one–or, better yet, one calling him evil?

      I’m waiting.

    161. marc says:

      Lisa link?

    162. Wes says:

      The people of New Jersey are evil and knowingly elected an evil human being to the Senate three times, Bitter.

      When you can admit that I’ll look less cynically on your faux outrage over slavery.

    163. Bitterlaw says:

      So a person is responsible for every crime committed by somebody else in a state where they own property? Interesting premise, Wes.

    164. Tina says:

      Israel and Sudan to sign peace deal.

    165. lisab says:

      corey these days … it goes on for pages

      “I saw him, still infected with a virus, walk up a flight of stairs at the White House, and from the Truman Balcony make a show of taking off his mask, even as staffers inside the building where so many have recently tested positive were working. Trump’s face had all his orange makeup intact. Who put it on him? Certainly, he had to have his mask off for that too. Then, Trump held a salute, for a long time. No, not because he was returning one from a servicemember or because a flag draped casket was passing by, but because he wanted a photo-op. Indeed, he did a couple of things two times so that the cameras making a White House video during this campaign season would record it correctly.

      A fake salute on a balcony, as if he were responding to an adoring throng. Maybe I do have “TDS” but that really angered me. This was not “Presidential.” This was about Trump wanting to look like some sort of strongman who “beat” an illness many others could not. It looked like something Kim Jong Un would do or Saddam Hussein or Mussolini. That comparison in that moment would have been considered a good thing for Trump. There is no way I can actually fully explain my thoughts in an eloquent manner on this.”

    166. Wes says:

      You still haven’t said Menendez is evil, Bitter–or New Jersey for that matter for electing him.

      I knew your feigned outrage over slavery was all smoke and mirrors.

    167. Bitterlaw says:

      Now everybody in New Jersey is evil? Does that include my dad with dementia and my niece before she killed herself?

    168. lisab says:

      marc,

      http://cgpolitics.blogspot.com/

      but don’t go there

      it is like the uni-bomber had a child that was slow and then that child made a blog

    169. Wes says:

      Ah, Bitter.

      I’m deeply sorry for the tragedy in your family.

      I do mean that.

      That doesn’t excuse your refusal to admit Bob Menendez is pure evil.

    170. lisab says:

      so the people in line can vote.
      ————————–

      i think in many places if you are in line when the polls close

      they let you vote

      but they don’t let anyone join the line after closing

    171. Wes says:

      Bitterlaw still refuses to say the Dishonorable Robert Menendez (D-NJ) is evil.

      I want that reflected in the blog annals.

    172. Country Dick Montana says:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke5Mr5eCF2U

      Latest Biden press conference

    173. Bitterlaw says:

      I said all child rapists were evil for years, Wes. All includes Menendez. I posted priests who assaulted children should be beheaded on Good Friday at least 10 years ago.

      Keep apologizing for the blood soaked history of your beloved South. You must be so proud to live in North Carolina. A state based on slavery and causing lung cancer suits you.

    174. Wes says:

      Bitterlaw, finish the following sentence with a four-letter word starting with an “e.”

      Robert Menendez is…

    175. Bitterlaw says:

      All child rapists are evil. Menendez raped children. Menendez is part of “all.” Too bad we can’t make vent diagrams at HHR.

    176. Tina says:

      Sean Davis
      @seanmdav
      · 4m
      A senior intelligence official tells @FDRLST tonight re: major DOJ/FBI/DNI announcement about Iran interfereing in the election to help Biden: “Media did exactly what Iran knew they would do. They assumed fake ‘Proud Boys’ e-mails were real, then used them to attack Trump.”

    177. Wes says:

      You still can’t bring yourself to type the sentence out, can you, Bitter?

      I’m not surprised.

    178. lisab says:

      vent diagrams?

      lol

    179. marc says:

      Wow one thing Trump gave us all is that he exposed those who truly weren’t about winning and advancing conservatives principals. Trump has his problems but he’s done everything he said he would do

    180. buster says:

      Is anyone watching Tucker Carlson tonight? 3 Biden commercials in a row. All full of misleading text sprinkled with lies.

    181. Bitterlaw says:

      Auto correct. Venn.

      Menendez is evil because all child rapists are evil.

      Your turn – The Confederacy was based on the ____ practice of slavery.

    182. mnw says:

      Hugh, and everybody

      What do we make of POTUS doing to FL rallies the day after the debate?

      His campaign may not view the EV the same way most of us (non-trolls) here do?

    183. buster says:

      Do they really think they can affect the vote for those watching Fox?

    184. mnw says:

      186 sb “doing two”

    185. Hugh says:

      Mnw. He is being smart. Nothing is for certain.

    186. Bitterlaw says:

      Robert E. Lee was the same type of person as General Rommel. Both were brilliant generals who served evil systems.

    187. Wes says:

      I swear, a tooth extraction would have been easier than getting Bitterlaw to say Bob Menendez is evil.

      I’ll play your game even though I had a hell of a time finally getting an admission out of you:

      The Confederacy was based on the evil practice of slavery.

    188. Jeff Toobin says:

      I’m bored. Anybody want to fap with me?

      fap fap fap

    189. Bitterlaw says:

      Quick break. How are you doing with the injuries from that car accident, Wes?

    190. Bitterlaw says:

      That tooth was pulled years ago, Wes. You just refused to admit it.

    191. Wes says:

      I recovered from that a long time back, Bitter.

      The only nagging injury I have is from the broken knee from 2009. The cartilage is starting to break down from that as expected, so it won’t be more than a few years before I become a candidate for a replacement.

      Thanks for asking.

    192. Bitterlaw says:

      Why does Trump still have to spend his time in Florida, NC and PA? It was a bad sign in 2016 for Hillary when she spent the last days of the campaign in Philadelphia.

    193. Bitterlaw says:

      I know several people who had knee replacements. They are all happy with the result.

    194. PhilS says:

      Where else would Trump be?

      Wasn’t he in AZ and NV ad MI and WI just a few 2-3 days ago.

      He’s making the circuit.

    195. Florida Guy says:

      We’re using PPP polls again? Didn’t HHR discredit PPP like a decade-plus ago?

      LOL

      -FloG

    196. PhilS says:

      Trump is going to be in Miami on Thu anyway. So hitting FL on Friday is just a natural.

    197. eriepa says:

      Since it was a bad sign for Hillary that she had to campaign in Philadelphia, was it a good sign for Hillary that she didnt campaign in Wisconsin or Michigan?

    198. Bitterlaw says:

      I was going to check out all the blogs of the HHR malcontents to read their insight on all of the pro-Trump polls but I could not find any.

    199. PhilS says:

      These are the states in play: PA, MI, WI, MN, NV, AZ, NC, FL. Especially with some close Senate races.

      That’s where Trump is.

      Where is the Pedophile Joe? He couldn’t even travel 20 miles to meet Obama.

    200. PhilS says:

      I awill bet Trump is going top do a similar circuit tour next week. Same states.

      At least that’s what I told him to do.

    201. Boog says:

      Florida early in person vote has been exceptionally strong for the reps. Florida may become safe R well before election. My guess is the Trump campaign sees this, and wants to take it off the map.

      Expect to see Trump doing a lot more PA in the days just before Election Day, since most of that R vote is likely to be Election Day vote.

    202. Dylan says:

      Why doesn’t Trump do an infomercial the way Obama did in the closing days of 2008?

    203. PhilS says:

      One thing Trump knows better than anyone is how to work. He outworked Hillary in 2016, and he will certainly outwork pedo Joe.

      In the 10 days after tomorrow, I assume Trump will do the states circuit twice before Nov 3.

    204. Robbie says:

      The board is healing. Bitter and Wes are at each other’s throats!

    205. PhilS says:

      206: Because TV is useless. Trump knows how to generate enthusiasm by visiting places.

    206. Tina says:

      The document has a “Case ID” section, which is filled in with a hand-written number: 272D-BA-3065729.

      According to multiple officials, and the FBI’s website, “272” is the bureau’s classification for money laundering, while “272D” refers to “Money Laundering, Unknown SUA [Specified Unlawful Activity]—White Collar Crime Program,” according to FBI documents. One government official described “272D” as “transnational or blanket.”

      “BA” indicates the case was opened in the FBI’s Baltimore field office, sources said.

    207. Tina says:

      Breaking

      Mike Emanuel ??
      @MikeEmanuelFox
      · 9m
      #Breaking: @SenRonJohnson to DOJ IG “I respectfully request that your office open an investigation into the FBI’s handling of the laptop allegedly belonging to Hunter Biden.”

    208. Jeff G. says:

      Why is it so surprising to anyone here that Trump would campaign in Florida at this point in the race? Does anyone here who thinks Trump is ahead in Florida think he will win it if he stops campaigning there now? We know it’s a 2-3 point race at most either way. That’s not a place you stop campaigning 10-12 days out from election day. It makes perfect sense to me that he would still have rallies scheduled there. He has to keep inspiring those low-propensity voters to get out and vote.

    209. Scooterboy says:

      Jonathon Turley- “ Breaking tonight: The Hunter Biden laptop was reportedly part of a money laundering investigation. foxnews.com/politics/lapto… That would seem to support that this was Biden’s laptop and the emails were viewed as likely authentic.

    210. Hugh says:

      If trump wins the fbi top brass will be destroyed for their corruption. If Biden wins they will all be promoted. That is the god honest truth. The corruption is so complete and so covered up, because even the clean ones have been breaking the rules. That is how government works. Spent much of my life dealing with government agencies. If while at my firm we were deposed and I destroyed my hard drive my firm would be sued and I would be in jail. Not so much for Hillary and the mueller lawyers. There is no equal justice in America between the government and us dopes in the private sector. And those in government are 90% dems. What conservative could work in that environment?

    211. Tina says:

      This spin by the China Biden spoke south is embarrassing.

      https://twitter.com/BrookeSingman/status/1319087092266422272

    212. PhilS says:

      That’s the largest Biden rally I have seen.

    213. Tina says:

      The money laundering investigation is targeting Rudy Guiliani,

      -China Biden spokesperson

    214. Scooterboy says:

      Baris- “ The FBI has apparently opened an investigation into money laundering re: something found on the Hunter Biden laptop.

      Starting to get to a breaking point. Media are going to regret this, creating a scandal for themselves on another level.”

    215. Scooterboy says:

      Obama had to use a bullhorn for 10 people?

      Are they all as deaf as I am?

    216. Gatorbillyjoel says:

      First is was drugs, then it was Biden using his power to get his son a job, then it was pay to play, then it was underage girls, now its money laundering. I’ll give you all credit – really just throwing everything at the wall and hoping something sticks. The American people aren’t buying it.

    217. PresidentPaul! says:

      Pretty sure Hunter banging 14 year old Natalie Biden is going to stick.

    218. Bryan says:

      #222 Alex, What is all of the above?

    219. Tgca says:

      You people are prudes!

      You need to get with the times.

      All this fretting over young girls and men.

      I’ll have you know I have an 8 year old naked black girl in my bed every night.

      …of course she has 4 legs, a tail, and is a complete bed hog but hey…she’s way too cute to kick out of bed.

    220. DW says:

      Watch for the SUSA MN tomorrow. Could show tight race, given the commie in Senate race today up only 1. Their prior poll was +7 both Potus and Senate

    221. Scooterboy says:

      When they’ve lost Piers Morgan.

      Piers Morgan blasts media silence over Hunter Biden scandal: Imagine if it was Don Jr.’s laptop

      “ I]t doesn’t matter what side you’re on here. Journalism, freedom of speech, dictates — the First Amendment dictates — that when a story like this drops, and it’s not being denied by the people it’s accusing for six days now, clearly there is something there that they want to hide,” he said.

      “ The job of a newspaper, of a television network, of anybody, frankly, in the media, who believes in freedom of speech and believes in journalism is to go and investigate the allegations the New York Post has made.”

    222. Tina says:

      KekYuga2020
      @KYuga2020
      ·
      15m
      That Rudy Giuliani is so sneaky, he put Russian disinformation on Hunter’s laptop while Hunter was high on Putin’s finest methamphetamines!

      Actually it wasn’t Rudy, it was Don Junior wearing a Rudy skin suit!

      Russia Russia Russia!

    223. Tina says:

      Souter 2.0 decided correctly here.

      Larry Schweikart
      @LarrySchweikart
      ·
      10m
      USSC just ruled in an AL case that there would be NO “curbside voting.”

      Kavanaugh, Roberts, Gorsuch, Thomas, Alito all voted to lift the injunction (i.e., uphold the AL ban).

    224. PresidentPaul! says:

      The degeneracy certainly explains why they had to qualms about trying to destroy Michael Flynn for fun.

    225. Hugh says:

      Sure he did because AL doesn’t matter. The guy flops around like a dying fish. No idea what his legal perspective is on election changes. Another swamp creature. Wants to be invited to parties in dc.

    226. BillW says:

      231 Hugh

      Alabama passed regulations about voting, as is their privelege.

      A Federal appeals court struck down the state regs.

      The Supremes reversed – essentially telling the appeals court to stay out.

      Consistent with all earlier rulings.

    227. PresidentPaul! says:

      Biden needs Comey back in there to do a sham investigation and pronounce him innocent.

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/laptop-hunter-biden-linked-fbi-money-laundering-probe

      Laptop connected to Hunter Biden linked to FBI money laundering probe
      It is unclear, at this point, whether the investigation is ongoing or if it was directly related to Hunter Biden

    228. PhilS says:

      Once ACB is confirmed by the Senate on Monday, can she take over as Chief Justice?

      There’s nothing in the Constitution saying otherwise. In fact, there is no mention of a CJ in the constitution.

    229. Tina says:

      The obumbler has been dispatched to a historically black college in Miami on Saturday.

    230. Tina says:

      America was never great,

      -China Biden

    231. Marv says:

      This is a BOOM!

      Michigan-Trafalgar

      Trump 46.7 (+1.3)
      Biden 44.9 (-2.4)

      James 49.7
      Peters 47.5
      (No change, James lead by 2.2 in the last poll)

      https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/restoration/pages/1001/attachments/original/1603307463/RSTP_MI_'20_Oct_Press_Report.pdf?1603307463

    232. Bitterlaw says:

      If we are lucky, the election will be over by Thanksgiving.

    233. PresidentPaul! says:

      Luntz hand picked 24 people to “poll” after the debate and declare Communist McCain the winner.

    234. Bitterlaw says:

      Ron Paul never won a primary. Never. Own it, Bunu.

    235. PresidentPaul! says:

      Meet NBC News’ Brandy Zadrozny — The Woman In Charge of Doxxing and Destroying Trump Supporters

      For more than two months, Revolver has worked to expose the true nature of the 2020 presidential election. Powerful forces in the national media, academia, intelligence services, and the courts are fighting to prevent America from holding an ordinary vote on November 3. Instead, they plan to pull off an Eastern Europe-style “color revolution,” where institutional forces are used to bring about the intended outcome regardless of what the law says or what the public wants, while giving the whole process a gloss of democratic legitimacy.
      Harassment, censorship, and intimidation of Trump supporters by any means necessary is a key element of the “color revolution” strategy. And Brandy Zadrozny of NBC News is a key hatchet woman working on behalf of the oligarchs.
      Zadrozny has a long history of targeting Trump supporters for doxing, censorship, and harassment. She poses as a neutral reporter, but like so many other “journalists” in 2020, she is simply an ideologically-motivated hitman.
      Not only does Zadrozny brag about doxing Trump supporters, she actually wrote the book on it. Incidentally, there is one group of people Zadrozny does not support doxing — pedophiles. Allow us to explain.

    236. PresidentPaul! says:

      #243
      Luntz runs a series of scams on Fox News.

      Will he lend his credibility to verify he wrote Hunter that email sucking up to demented Joe at least?

    237. The Godfather says:

      Trafalgar Michigan 10/16-10/18

      Trump 46.7
      Biden 44.8

      Previous Poll 10/11-10/14
      Trump 46.5
      Biden 45.9

    238. Scooterboy says:

      NEW POLL: TRUMP INCREASES LEAD IN MICHIGAN

      Restoration PAC/Trafalgar Group Survey (10/15-18):

      Trump 46.7
      Biden 44.9

      (Trump +1.8)

      (Was Trump +0.6 last week)

      1034 General Election Likely Voters

    239. Annie says:

      236. Tina – “The obumbler has been dispatched to a historically black college in Miami on Saturday.”

      Would that be one of the black colleges that were funded under Trump?

    240. PhilS says:

      There were 23 cars, standing 10 ft apart, at Obam’s “rally” for Joe Biden in Philadelphia today.

      Let that sink in.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9383df629ccfd5ac5f21ff0f316b982505bc1034926166684b1930b8b34744dc.jpg

    241. mnw says:

      HRC didn’t go to WI because her team THOUGHT it was safe. So not going to WI made sense, viewed from that perspective. Her information turned out to be wrong, but the LOGIC behind her decision wasn’t faulty.

      Every state Trump visits now, so late in the campaign, means there’s some other state he’s skipping. That’s why I find the Fri. visits to FL worrisome. Again, I conclude from this that Trump’s team doesn’t interpret the EV in FL the same way we (non-trolls) here do.

    242. mnw says:

      I hope Trump is very controlled tomorrow, & smiles away all the things that are sure to irritate him– which he DIDN’T do with Leslie Stahl.

      Calm, relaxed & focused should be his goal. Throwing ad libs at 10% Joe tomorrow would be bad idea jeans.

    243. Marv says:

      mnw,

      Trump is in good shape here in FL. He can flip up to 3 or 4 House seats with a 2 or 3 point win here.

    244. PhilS says:

      I hope Trump goes all WWE on Biden tomorrow. That’s what people want to see.

    245. Marv says:

      mnw,

      The GOP has a real shot at flipping FL CD’s 13, 26, & 27.
      26 and 27 are in Miami-Dade County, which is why Trump will be here this week

    246. Gatorbillyjoel says:

      The Florida visit reeks of desperation.

    247. PresidentPaul! says:

      253

      Won’t work. you need to attack during the two min uninterrupted. Joe will be doing it.

      Dig out quotes of him saying the n word in the 80’s, covering for Hunter etc. If he doesn’t attack relentlessly he loses because Joe will be attack him during his segments plus Joe gets all the questions in advance.

      This would require preparation though.

    248. PresidentPaul! says:

      Spend about 5 seconds (for instance, no you’re lying as a response to their bs) on what the moderator asks during the two min uninterrupted, and then spend the two minutes attacking Joe as a racist, etc.

    249. Ridin' with Biden says:

      “I hope Trump goes all WWE on Biden tomorrow. That’s what people want to see.”

      ***

      I agree. And yes, Mr. Trump’s base wants to see this.

      Wait, Mr. Trump still has not locked up his base? Two weeks until Election Day, 30 million votes already in, and he’s still trying to lock up his base.

      Oh goodness. Yikes!

    250. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Even if Florida was leaning towards Trump, it would be foolish for Trump not to visit it. It is too important a state to take for granite. Candidates are going to visit states that are considered battleground states regardless of whether they are ahead in polls there. As Hillary found out the hard way, polls can be wrong.

    251. John says:

      257
      If only Hillary had used the same tactic with Wisconsin in 2016…

    252. Gatorbillyjoel says:

      Oh, Rudy – caught with your hand in your pants again.

      https://time.com/5902557/hunter-biden-rudy-giuliani-ukraine/

    253. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      A trip down Memory Lane back to October 21, 2016 shows that the board was absolutely sure Trump was doomed.

      Most of use were then firmly NeverTrump and felt vindicated. There was no need then to assign a troll to this board to attempt to demoralized potential Trump supporters (granted the one we have now likely flunked out of troll school). Some of those posting comments in favor of Trump came across as screwballs (and have subsequently disappeared).

      NYCmike says:
      October 21, 2016 at 8:09 am
      We really are at a crossroads…..Hillary is just a despicable human being who uses government power for her own ill-gotten gains, while Trump is simply too full of himself to see how low-class and terrible he can be. It used to be better hidden, the corruption and the debauchery, but now, in our Khardashian-filled World, it is right out in front of us, and one of them will live in the White House.
      May GOD bless us all, and help this nation recover from their selfishness and ineptitude.

      DW says:
      October 21, 2016 at 8:53 am
      575 – they just give false hopes to the Trumpkins. Just consider the fact that individual state polling all agrees with the national polls showing Hillary up by 8-10 points.
      If Trump was ahead nationally 1-2 points, then you could post several polls showing Trump leading in FL, IA, NV and OH, and you could show a margin of error tossup polls of CO, PA, WI and NH. But nobody can post those state polls because they don’t exist.

      DW says:
      October 21, 2016 at 9:07 am
      Further on my point, consider the last four polls of FLORIDA:
      Quinnipiac: Hillary +4
      PPP-D: Hillary +4
      Gravis: Hillary +4
      Opinion Savvy: Hillary +3
      Four widely varying pollsters all agree that Hillary is going to win Florida. These polls all agree with the national polling showing Hillary up comfortably.

      jason says:
      October 21, 2016 at 9:29 am
      And all are within the margin of error.”
      LOL
      The key word here is ALL.
      ALL show Hillary leading.

      Rubio/Kasich says:
      October 21, 2016 at 9:48 am
      Mike Schmidt says the democrats will win the Senate and at least 25 seats in the house. Rubio will lose in a squeaker. If it’s true, we have to boycott Fox and talk radio. Trump has destroyed the Republican Party and the conservative movement. It’s Rush, Coulter, Savage, Hannity and Laura Ingraham’s fault. Boy, I feel sick right now.

      Scooterboy says:
      October 21, 2016 at 10:34 am
      Politico/Morning Consult
      Clinton: 46%
      Trump:40%

      Phil says:
      October 21, 2016 at 11:06 am
      ok, enough of the presidential polls – that’s been a done deal since we nominated this fool. Correction, no “WE” to it.
      I want senate polls!

      DW says:
      October 21, 2016 at 11:46 am
      ARG national poll:
      Hillary 49
      Trump 42
      Other 5
      http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/

      Robbie says:
      October 21, 2016 at 11:58 am
      Looks like Clinton is going to clear 50% nationally. Only Trump could have made that happen.

      Phil says:
      October 21, 2016 at 12:13 pm
      Nope. No way you blame this debacle on the Never Trumpers. The blame goes straight to 35% of Republican deadenders in the primaries who supported this fool.
      Of course, they got a lot of help from the MSM who gave aid and comfort to Trump by giving him all the publicity and holding their fire….until he got the nomination.
      Well played Democratic MSM hacks…..and nice job falling for it deadenders.
      Hillary laughs all the way to the WH. Oh, and a special thanks to Hannity, Coulter, Ingraham, and all the rest of the useful idiots.

      JeffP says:
      October 21, 2016 at 12:54 pm
      I would imagine Trump will disconnected from politics after he losses. Pence will receive some of his support for “face” of party.

    254. Justin says:

      What happened to ARG?

    255. Phil says:

      Wow. I said those things? Embarrassing.

      Boy, was I ever wrong.

      I honestly had it slap assed backwards. I really thought someone like Rubio was the way to go. Looking back, an establishment Republican would have been Romneyed in working class districts in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and probably Ohio as well. The blue wall would have been entirely intact. Hind site is 20/2o but the working class coalition that Trump put together was the only path we ever had. If not for Trump Hillary would have been running for re-election right now.

      I was wrong as hell. We all were.

    256. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      266. I felt the same way, and voted for McMullin. It is interesting that most the NEVERTRUMP posters are now supporting Trump.

      The header of the thread that included October 21, 2016 had a Emerson poll of Utah. Here are the poll’s results, compared with how Utah actually voted:

      Emerson Poll: Utah
      McMullin 31% (actually received 21%)
      Trump 27% (actually received 45%)
      Clinton 24% (actually received 27%)
      Johnson 5% (actually received 3%)

      The presidential polling in 2016 was appallingly wrong. Everyone admits it. The question I have is has something happened to polling since 2016 that will make the 2020 polling right? I see nothing that has happened since then that has restored the credibility of polling — if anything it has become more speculative because of the survey polling that is now done.

    257. lisab says:

      for biden to have the advantage in fl there would have to be a lot of gop crossover to biden

      such as suburban women

      it is possible, but i doubt it

      same is true in wi and mi.

      can biden win the above? yes. but the tea leaves are not looking good

    258. Phil says:

      Baris and Barnes preach every day that the pollsters have not fixed a damned thing this cycle. In fact, they argue that pollsters have NOT made any effort to. None. Furthermore, they argue that pollsters know what the methodology problems are…..but they just don’t care. They get hired by the media outlets that skew waaay left and who expect them to deliver the results those media outlets they want. Don’t deliver those results and they get replaced.

    259. lisab says:

      the pollsters have not fixed a damned thing this cycle.
      ——————

      well, trump lost women by a lot in 2016.

      if you assume that he loses women by a lot again, and the african american and hispanic votes are the same … basically if you assume that everything is the same as 2016

      and assume trump is only getting 80% of reps or the rep turnout will be low

      then the polls make sense

      (however, rep turnout does not seem low, so i think biden needs crossover votes)

    260. lisab says:

      you guys should be thankful robbie says to vote for trump

    261. michael corleone says:

      GOP won Clark early vote by about 3500 today. Too bad the mail in vote deficit for GOP in Clark is 60k.

    262. MichiganGuy says:

      Biden campaign pulls ad featuring ‘struggling’ bar owner outed as wealthy investor
      .
      https://nypost.com/2020/10/21/biden-campaign-pulls-ad-with-struggling-bar-owner-outed-as-investor/
      .
      Busted!

    263. JeffP says:

      Trafalgar Michigan poll is great news. Sounds too good to be true…2-3 point win in Michigan would be outstanding …along with a 3-4 point win in Florida…would all but assure a Trump victory.

      I am starting to get nervous now, LOL

    264. John says:

      269
      Townhall.com had an article detailing how some pollsters are specifically adding ‘secret sauce’ to skew results in order to suppress Republican turnout and they know that the liberal media will cover for them in case Trump wins because at least they tried….and if Trump loses the article claims the pollsters will use the Harry Reid, ala Mitt Romney argument….”he didn’t win did he?”.
      Secret sauce includes polling more urban Republicans instead of rural Republicans knowing that their is a modest difference and then claiming that had the correct breakdown or polling more D leaning independents claiming that they had enough ‘independents’.
      In other words….anything that they can use on the far extremes of the boundry to get rid of Trump is accepted, encouraged and wanted with open arms.

    265. JeffP says:

      272…It looks like Clark and Washoe County mail in Dem vote cannibalizes Election Day voting to me…GOP is crushing Washoe and they are even in Clark in early walk in vote. Trump lost Washoe last time by a couple percent…I don’t think that happens this time at all. The Covid mail in dynamic and it’s impact on Election Day turnout is a real unknown. If you were looking at Nevada based only on walk-in early vote…Trump would be in great position to win.

    266. Livinthedream says:

      Yup, the circle is closing on Biden. Those on the fringes are looking to cut deals.

    267. Gordon Allen says:

      Trafalgar must be wrong, because the Fox michigan poll has it Biden by 12!! Somebody sure is wrong

    268. Steant1965 says:

      280 I agree, but one of those polling companies has a history of being wrong and by a lot. The other polling company may be wrong this year, but in 2016 they were spot on in Michigan. I’m going with Trafalgar.

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    270. Gordon Allen says:

      I was being facetious
      The Fox poll is ludicrous on its face.

    271. Hugh says:

      The EV so far in Michigan is confirmation that the fox poll is a total joke. It doesn’t prove that Trafalgar has it right just yet. What bothers me most about fox is that it is the one msm outlet that conservatives still want to trust and they don’t care. They think they own us if the stay left of center since the other networks are full socialist. Unfortunately until there is an alternative with easy access they are right. For every conservative they lose they poach an independent. I can only watch a few of the opinion folks. Now that Dana has shown her never trumper feelings my poor wife can no longer watch her show without getting upset. Ugh

    272. Steant1965 says:

      283 Did realize that. I was just repeating for those out there to remind those who read this blog especially at election time about the polling history. We’re on the same page.

    273. JeffP says:

      278 Tina…there is no way that Biden can escape this now. Plus Giuliani has the FBI by the balls having multiple hard drive copies of the laptop from hell. Wrong Wray is trapped.
      Takes China Biden to a whole new level.

    274. JeffP says:

      264 SDC … boy was I discouraged and thinking 2016 was a losing cause. I did pep up after the last Iowa poll. I almost didn’t even bother to vote…my wife and looked into writing in Pence and found out Indiana doesn’t allow that. Now after that new Trafalgar Michigan poll I am trying not to het too excited. Politics!

    275. JeffP says:

      The FIB WAS COVERING for China Biden…if it wasn’t for that computer guy trusting Giuliani who knows what these people would get away with. This laptop from hell could have taken Joe out of primary early too. It’s all a set up to protect the Russia Hoax clan and Obama/Biden/Clinton…

    276. Gordon Allen says:

      Hugh. Dana Perino has a pretty face….and a pretty face. She’s a Bush family loyalist and long time Never Trumper. My wife and I tuned her,and most of Fox out a long time ago. Welcome to the club. Fox Business is better and does cover politics as well as business.

    277. Greymarch says:

      Due to the MSM protecting Biden, 90% of voters will never learn Biden was on the graft.

      https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biz-partner-confirms-e-mail-details-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/

      #BidenCrimeFamily

    278. Country Dick Montana says:

      “Due to the MSM protecting Biden, 90% of voters will never learn Biden was on the graft. ”

      I am starting to wonder who else the MSM/Big Government/Big Tech is trying to protect. A lot of people had to know that this was going on at the time.

      Maybe that is why Obama said “Joe, you don’t have to do this.”

    279. George says:

      FWIW….Hugh Hewitt’s guest today Chuck Todd was very subdued when discussing the election. His final observation was the huge new voter registration edge the Republicans have….hmmmm

    280. Joe J says:

      Coming Up Today:

      @realDonaldTrump
      daily job approval % is – up – sharply.

    281. Sean says:

      @realDonaldTrump
      daily job approval % is – up – sharply.

      Or shall we say – bigly.

    282. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Robbie
      I just watched a part of the “60 Minutes” interview with Joe Biden regarding “packing” the Courts. His answer was chilling. he said,and I am paraphrasing, that “we must go beyond packing the SCOTUS”.
      Wouldn’t it be helpful if Bush43 went full-throated NOW to condemn such a move?!

    283. Tina says:

      Don’t worry,

      The trolls and Biden groupies will be here tonite discussing his brilliant “debate” performance.

    284. Tina says:

      Junkchind and bitterlaw will be appalled by Teump.

    285. bob lee says:

      The $64 question for Joe Biden:

      Given Trump’s current momentum, does Joe Biden have any capability to “break serve” using a tennis term, given a perceived lack of enthusiasm towards his campaign?

      Does Biden really believe that lies, suppression polls, and steady media attacks on Trump will turn the trick?

      In thirteen days we’ll find out.

    286. Tina says:

      Yikes

      Statement from fame Lt. Tony Bobulinski – a business associate of Hunter Biden – obtained by ?
      @FoxNews
      ?

      https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1319223988455878659

    287. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      How much can this impact the Michigan Senate race?

      “Our choice for U.S. Senate:
      @JohnJamesMI
      –>
      “He is a natural leader who could well become one of the chamber’s most powerful members.” https://detroitnews.com/story/opinion/editorials/2020/10/22/michigan-senate-race-endorsement-john-james/6004257002/ via
      @detroitnews”

    288. jaichind says:

      Both Initial Jobless Claims and Continued Jobless claims came in a less than expected. Initial Jobless Claims was expected to be 870K. It came in at 789K.

    289. Tina says:

      BOOOM

      BIG PLUNGE

      Weekly jobless claims down to 787000

      CONTINUOUS JOBLESS CLAIMS decline by 1 million to 8.37 million. This is the # I watch.

    290. BillW says:

      Weekly claims is out. Wow!!

      Initial claims down 55,000; last week revised down by 56,000; insured unemployment down by 0.7% to 5.7%!

    291. Tina says:

      Jack Posobiec Flag of United States
      @JackPosobiec
      We now know China was bribing both Hunter and Joe Biden himself while he was Vice President of the United States
      5:30 AM · Oct 22, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

    292. Big Joe says:

      Another great earnings report from Tesla.

      BJ

    293. Tina says:

      Rudy W. Giuliani
      @RudyGiuliani
      ·
      9h
      I finally got the FBI to start investigating a laptop they have had for over 8 months.

      And it turns out to be valid and incriminates #CrookedBiden the #BidenCrimeFamily.

      So do we get an apology from Tweeter, Facebook, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN etc.

      And when does the Censorship end

    294. jaichind says:

      The largest increases in initial claims for the week ended Oct. 10 were in California (+27,870), Illinois (+11,261), Massachusetts (+10,481), Georgia (+9,292) and Indiana (+7,840).

      The largest decreases were in Michigan (-2,615), North Carolina (-2,362), Virginia (-1,733), Montana (-579) and Mississippi (-375).

    295. jaichind says:

      To be fair, this Bobulinski guy has since turned against Biden. I take his credibility to be about the same as Bolton.

    296. JeffP says:

      309 I disagree respectfully… Bobulinski has the evidence and collaborates with the laptop from hell. Apples to Oranges…Bolton was all hearsay and no evidence. You also have the Senator Johnson evidence.

      THIS IS HUGE…

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    298. JeffP says:

      Well I guess Rudy Giuliani’s experience in taking down the mob in NY City is really paying off now…LOLOLOLOL

      #BidenCrimeFamily

    299. WizardofCozz says:

      309,

      Bolton certainly turned on Trump, and called Trump dangerous and not fit for office, but he never implicated him in anything criminal and even backhandedly came to his defense over the military story in France. Bobulinski on the other hand is implicating Biden in a criminal conspiracy if not Treason.

    300. Tina says:

      This does not look good for the Fib.

      They sat on this during the fake impeachment.

      Tried to make it go away,

    301. Country Dick Montana says:

      FBI needs to be zeroed out. Maybe leave Quantico to help with state cases. Then they can start over. You tell people they can get their jobs back when they tell where the bodies are buried.

      This is way, way way worse than Watergate ever was.

    302. JeffP says:

      315 Tina … Rudy has the FIB trapped. Wray is a goner for sure. Right after Trump is re-elected (hopefully). I am sure Barr and Trump will talk as well. He is going to want to know what is going on with Durham. After Trump is re-elected look out! Rudy has the receipts!

    303. BillW says:

      The unemployment report this morning confirms that the media narrative of a slowing recovery was BS.

      Most of the problem was that California’s UE management and reporting systems were totally screwed up.

      We can expect a huge fall in the monthly unemployment numbers and a blowout 3rd quarter GDP number – both of which come out after election day (but before Pennsylvania finished counting ballots).

    304. jaichind says:

      318. The next unemployment report will come out 11/6, after the election. But the Q3 GDP report will come out 10/29, before the election.

    305. mnw says:

      It amazes me still that so many posters here whom I have come to respect didn’t vote for Trump, & were therefore willing to accept HRC.

      Smart people do incredibly dumb things. One of my best friends at work detested HRC as much as I did/do, but he nonetheless voted for… McMullin. He thought the whole thing was kind of amusing.

    306. Wes says:

      Democrats actually shed 2,000 votes off their early voting edge yester, dropping from 349 to 347k.

      Republicans have almost caught Indies in early voting.

      Good news on the NC front.

    307. mnw says:

      Imo, way too late now for economic news to move the needle in either direction.

    308. Gordon Allen says:

      Great unemployment numbers. The economy,but for lockdowns,is recovering very strongly. We need another 2 Trillion Dollar stimulus..why?

    309. jaichind says:

      322. Agreed. But such economic data now tells us how, at the micro level, people are experiencing the economy, which it seems more positive than we would have thought a few weeks ago.

    310. WizardofCozz says:

      322,

      You are probably right mnw, but most polling shows that people feel they are better off now than 4 years ago, and that has to be a lot of personal feelings on the economy, Trump should reap the benefit from that.

    311. jaichind says:

      Senate Judicary Committee has voted to advance ACB 12-0. Dems all failed to show up.

    312. Tina says:

      The economic numbers are already moved. That cake is baked.

      56 pe4cdnt believed that they are better off now than 4 years ago.

      Gallup has done that kind of polling forever.

    313. Wes says:

      That’s serious dereliction of duty, Jaichind. If Democrats don’t want Barrett to be on the Court, they should show up and vote against her rather than refuse to do the job voters elected them to do.

    314. hugh says:

      322. To negative. Let me say this if the news was bad it would have hurt trump and coming today before the debate it helps trump. Anything next week will probably not matter much unless its really bad.

    315. Tina says:

      And before the jebots say, trump needs to “talk about it.”

      He has. At every rally.

      Multiple times as a matter of fact.

      He has also tweeted it several times.

    316. Marv says:

      Trump up bigly in RAS

      52/48

    317. Stonewall DW says:

      Good news Marv. Now I am on watch looking for another update from Trafalgar on PA and maybe WI.

    318. bob lee says:

      Rasmussen daily approval/disapproval:

      52-48

    319. jaichind says:

      IBD/TIPP poll went backward. Biden now ahead by 5 in the 4-way poll.

    320. Tina says:

      Wes, I know it’s Larry, but he gets It from a free repub:

      Larry Schweikart
      @LarrySchweikart
      ·
      26m
      NC from “Freeper” Bort:

      Democrats= 1,038,752 (42.62%)

      Republicans= 691,174 (28.36%)

      Dem Lead: 347,578

      In 2016 when Trump won NC by 3.8 percentage points, at the end of early voting, the Democrats had a lead of 310,000 votes.

      They have a week to overcome just 37,000.

    321. Marv says:

      DW,

      We’re doing incredibly well down in FL. I think states don’t move in a vacuum and a big win in any swing state portends wins, albeit maybe close wins, in other swing states. I’m thinking now of NH, MN, and NV as pickup opportunities.

    322. Will says:

      Wes,

      Reps have significantly closed the turnout gap in my New Hanover precinct. Now down to 25. Reps outnumbered Dems here by 200 in early vote in 2016.

      Good trend.

      Do you think the turnout will be significantly higher in 2020?

    323. mnw says:

      52/48 & -2 is rather startling.

      Hope it isn’t an outlier. Maybe the Biden scandal has seeped into this?

    324. Wes says:

      Tina, I speculated yesterday Dems may have heavily frontloaded their early voting and peaked. This is the first time I’m aware Republicans have gained on Dems in the process.

      If this is the beginning of a trend it’s great news.

    325. Smack says:

      All Early Voting – Florida
      ————-

      Oct 21st / 5:12pm

      DEM: 1,889,165 45.42%

      GOP: 1,420,793 34.33%

      OCT 22nd / 8:33am

      DEM: 1,944,805 45.17%

      GOP: 1,484,065 34.47%

    326. Tina says:

      Thanks, Wes. But you are the to go person on nc.

      I don’t normally look at ev.

    327. Tina says:

      Yikes

      John Solomon
      @jsolomonReports
      Breaking: In major breakthrough, CEO of Hunter Biden-tied firm agrees to provide documents to Senate. Executive says Joe Biden was supposed to be silent partner in son’s Chinese venture. | Just The News https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/ceo-hunter-biden-tied-firm-approaches-senate… | Just The News https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/ceo-hunter-biden-tied-firm-approaches-senate

    328. Wes says:

      I’m not sure if turnout will be significantly higher, Will, but it’ll definitely be higher than in 2016 if for no other reason than the extreme passions on both sides.

      I stand by my Trump-Tillis-Cooper prediction.

    329. Stonewall DW says:

      I saw a glimpse last night of a post where someone was questioning if its a bad sign that Trump is going to FLORIDA on Friday for two separate rallies.

      I didn’t have a chance to reply, but wow, you HAVE to go to Florida. Florida will ALWAYS be within 4 points one way or the other. And at 29 electoral votes there is absolutely no excuse for NOT going. You have to go. By contrast, you don’t have to go to NH which also figures to be close, because its only worth 4. But Trump has gone there too.

      Its all about keeping everyone fired up, and try and pull some coattails too.

    330. jaichind says:

      If you go to google news search and put in “Bobulinski” and do a search for all news stories in the last 24 hours. You get

      NYP article. Some UK sources and all the rest are Chinese or Vietnamese language stores. This is sad that even the PRC and Vietnam media does a better job covering this than the MSM.

    331. Tina says:

      Goober has become Granite.

      He advanced Acb and is now moving 5 more nominees to lesser courts.

      The drats walked out.

      Losers.

    332. Stonewall DW says:

      North Carolina = In Wes I Trust.

    333. Tina says:

      It’s not a bad sign.

      Tonite is the debate. He is in Florida.

      Remember, he has said that he will start doing 5 daily rallies.

    334. Phil says:

      347

      That’s always been my motto.

    335. Stonewall DW says:

      Baris said yesterday he saw evidence that McSally might be creeping back into contention. Don’t look now, but Morning Consult (D) has McSally down just 4 in their newest poll.

    336. jaichind says:

      328. The Dems are doing this so they can claim this entire process is illegitimate so the can justify court packing in case Biden wins with a Dem Senate majority.

    337. Tina says:

      What lackluster and embarrassing events in pa for the obumbler.

      How far and fast have the once mighty fallen.

      Very weird that China did not hook up with hi,.

    338. Wes says:

      For you NC watchers, keep in mind Dems last won anything major in NC besides the 2016 gubernatorial race in 2008 when they had a 675k lead at the end of early voting (dropped on Election Day to 530k).

      Dems are a bit higher right now in early voting than in 2016 and lower than in 2016.

      With a week to go, I don’t see a path for Dems to shoot up by over 300k votes and sweep the elections as they did 12 years ago.

    339. Wes says:

      Ugh.

      Higher than in 2016 but lower than in 2012.

    340. jaichind says:

      Bloomberg US Weekly Consumer Comfort Index just came in at 46.6

      Same index for pervious election years 3 week of Oct

      1988: 46.0
      1992 26.0
      1996 47.0
      2000 65.0
      2004 44.0
      2008 25.0
      2012 32.7
      2016 43.9

      2020 is around 1996 levels and a bit higher than 2004 and good deal better than 2012.

    341. Stonewall DW says:

      Yeah, that image of Obama speaking through the blow-horn at a dozen people reminded me of the recurring gag by Don Knotts as Barney Fife yelling through the horn at close range to just a few people.

      I know, I am showing my age.

    342. Stonewall DW says:

      “Ugh.

      Higher than in 2016 but lower than in 2012.”

      No worries, we got it.

    343. Chicon says:

      Wes, looks to me that R’s and D’s both have similar percentages of the EV in NC as in 2016. However, they have combined for double the number as last time.

    344. Wes says:

      The good thing about NC is that we know everything we need to know about the voters: registration, location, and demographics.

      Thus, it’s not hard to deduce results by comparing current information with past elections.

    345. Wes says:

      That’s to be expected, Chicon, with the increased emphasis on early voting this year.

    346. hugh says:

      So I am going to predict our day. It will be just like everyday. We watch results coming in and we get hopeful, because they are pointing towards a possible trump win. The EV clearly shows that the msm polls are way off. Then we get fox news doing all it can to depress us. I am assuming the non-trolls do not watch other msm stations. Finally, we get a group of ridiculous polls showing big biden leads. We are now angry, because of how unfair it all is. We go to bed mad and depressed. Then wake up hopeful and start all over again.

    347. Gordon Allen says:

      52-48 shows a powerful Trump day yesterday. If more or less maintained is a Harbinger of a Trump lead on Rasmussen’s final scheduled Wednesday head to head

    348. Stonewall DW says:

      “2020 is around 1996 levels and a bit higher than 2004 and good deal better than 2012.”

      Hmm…lets see, what happened in 1996, 2004, and 2012…? Hmm…I know it will come to me…OH YEAH, a POTUS running for Re-election.

    349. Gordon Allen says:

      Amen Hugh. Wissing is searching for a rescue poll or two as we speak.

    350. hugh says:

      comparing raw numbers at this point in time to 2016 is ridiculous. Dems went all in on VBM so they should be way ahead at this point. We should chip away with vote in person. Since dems are afraid of covid and we are not reps will outperform on election day. If reps are anywhere in the ballpark after ev compared to 2016 they should easily win that state.

    351. Stonewall DW says:

      So just a tiny bit below the number in 1996, and the losing candidate in 1996 was physically frail, but at least in his right mind and went out holding rallies. I recall one where Bod Dole fell off the stage, but popped right back up and quipped that he just got another purple heart.

      But all Biden can do is sulk around in his basement, and when he comes out, no one comes to hear him speak.

    352. Tina says:

      I am also searching for said rescue polll.

      -Jebot

    353. MrVito says:

      335 Dems actually gained 500 votes over yesterday in NC… but yeah. The gap isn’t getting to where Dems would want it.

    354. jaichind says:

      365. The main risk here is the strong GOP in person early vote might also be cannibalizing the election day GOP vote. Polls indicate that this is not the case but the same polls has Biden way ahead.

    355. Tina says:

      Harris, prominent Democrats listed as ‘key contacts’ for Biden family business venture projects

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jim-hunter-biden-china-joint-venture-key-contacts

    356. Tina says:

      Muh early vote

      Muh cannibaliizing.

    357. Jeff G. says:

      Wes,

      I know it’s hard too look past this election, but who do you think tries for Burr’s seat in 2022 if he steps down as planned? Maybe Forrest if he loses to Cooper (as I expect he will)?

    358. Wes says:

      According to the numbers I saw yesterday, Vito, Dems were at 349k. Today they’re at 347k.

    359. MrVito says:

      373 That was the prior report.

    360. WizardofCozz says:

      Just some anecdotal evidence from my neck of the woods. My wife has never voted in an election, she’s been pretty moderate on issues in the past, but has become increasingly conservative over the past few years. She has registered to vote, and would crawl over glass to vote for Trump, who she hated in 2016. She’s also signed up to be a poll watcher. How times have changed.

    361. Wes says:

      Burr is definitely retiring, Jeff. I’d actually say McCrory would be a better bet than Forest. McCrory would still be Governor now if not for the infamous “Bathroom Bill.”

    362. hugh says:

      I suspect in nc vbm will trend down while vote in person will stay fairly steady. And the trend will start to move our way.

    363. hugh says:

      fwiw

      More on NC from “Freeper” Bort on the black vote:
      “Black vote percentage of the EV electorate in NC has dropped 3 days in a row. It was as high as 23.4%, now is 21.4%. When Obama won NC in 2008 by 1 point blacks made up 23% of the electorate. On pace for 20%. Trump, Tillis win.

    364. MrVito says:

      It’s possible I flipped the two reports yesterday.

      If so the Dems gained about 2700 the prior report and then lost 2200 on this report like you said.

    365. Stonewall DW says:

      Baris said he just polled 300 lvs in Wisconsin and it was dead even. He isn’t going to release anything on it, just wanted to see if he could see what Susquehanna is seeing. He is.

    366. MrVito says:

      That is, on the prior day, I wrote down the two numbers and reversed which day was which, Wes.

    367. Wes says:

      That’s likely what you did, Vito. I remember reporting the numbers from two days ago as 347k with yesterday’s being 349k.

    368. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Here is Wissing’s rescue poll,which makes little sense compared to yesterday’s MN Senate Poll:

      election Minn.
      OCT 16-20, 2020
      A
      SurveyUSA
      625 LV Biden
      48%
      42%
      Trump Biden +6

    369. Wes says:

      Currently whites comprise 2/3 of NC’s early voters.

    370. jaichind says:

      https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/biden-says-he-would-form-commission-to-study-u-s-court-system

      “Biden Says He Would Form Commission to Study U.S. Court System”

      Seems like a cop out so both the Moderate and Radical wings of the Dem coalition can read into it what they want to read into it.

    371. Wes says:

      Blacks were 26% of NC’s total voters in 2008. If they’re only between 21 and 22% now, that’s good for the NCGOP.

    372. MrVito says:

      “Biden Says He Would Form Commission to Study U.S. Court System”

      Let me guess… Trump “packed” the court with “unqualified” judges. More need to be added to “meet the demands” and “increase diversity”.

    373. MrVito says:

      Exit polls had whites at 70% in NC in 2016. The other category is making up some of the current gap… mostly Hispanics, I assume. But, it seems like the current trend would get whites up to 70% again.

    374. jaichind says:

      387. I might be naive, but if Biden wins and forms such a Commission I think it will just go nowhere. Such a Commission being discussed before the election is just to not have the radical wing of the Dems lose enthusiasm.

    375. MrVito says:

      I think you are being naive. The left runs the party now. Holder is dying for just such an opportunity.

    376. JeffP says:

      The bigger problem is vbm cannibalizes both in person early and Election Day vote for Dems…that’s why tea leaves are harder to read.

    377. Tina says:

      Mike Emanuel ??
      @MikeEmanuelFox
      · 14m
      May 20, 2017 text exchange obtained by #FoxNews – Tony Bobulinski is warned by business partner James Gilliar “Don’t mention Joe being involved, it’s only when u are face to face, I know u know that but they are paranoid”, which I’m told is a reference to Joe Biden.

    378. WizardofCozz says:

      If the left gets the reigns of government we will see radical change that will make future conservative and republican victories much harder. DC and Puerto Rico a state, packing supreme court, aggressively tackling gerrymandering against republicans but not democrats, limiting conservative voices on social media and tv even more then they do. This is the most important election of my lifetime.

    379. Stonewall DW says:

      BOOM

      Rasmussen – NORTH CAROLINA

      Trump 48
      Biden 47

    380. Baris says:

      If I had more money, could have done a full WI poll. Believe Trump would be winning and would like totally change the narrative.

      Good news is that its not too late. Can I have some money to finish this poll? Can have it published later this morning. I work quick.

    381. Smack says:

      All Early Voting – Florida

      Oct 21st / 5:12pm

      DEM: 1,889,165 45.42%

      GOP: 1,420,793 34.33%

      OCT 22nd / 8:33am

      DEM: 1,944,805 45.17%

      GOP: 1,484,065 34.47%

      Oct 22nd / 9:33am

      DEM: 1,955,437 45.07%

      GOP: 1,499,877 34.57%

    382. Tina says:

      ack Posobiec ??
      @JackPosobiec
      ·
      7m
      BREAKING: In an interview just taped for
      @OANN
      it is revealed Hunter’s laptop had 40-50 images of alleged child endangerment on it that appear to include a member of his family

    383. hugh says:

      tracking this morning florida ev. Could this be the first report where reps out voted vbm? We seem to continue to pick up about 2500+ each half hour on in person voting

      total 554323 554257
      in person 96011 98697
      vbm 458312 455560

    384. MikeP says:

      Good morning, I was never a Nevertrumper last time. I did watch the angry departure of MD, sad.

      I believe we can not fully anticipate the votes this year because of the Dems are going to be voting for Trump because it is in their personal self-interest.

    385. MrVito says:

      Sumter is a machine.

      In the last 10 minutes they processed 101 R, 19 I, and 6 D.

    386. Chicon says:

      MikeP – agree. There’s a lot about the early vote that we cannot anticipate; reading the tea leaves is fraught with peril. Seasoned pros like Baris and Barnes warn against it, especially because of the massive increase in EV this election. Yet many internet expert read the tea leaves anyway. I follow the early vote numbers – it is exciting and fun – but I don’t want to make judgments and predictions based on that.

    387. jaichind says:

      391. Totally agree that the Dems are clearly cannibalizes their election day vote. The issue here is we would expected a GOP wave election day but do not know how big that wave would be. The strong GOP early in person vote in key states might mean that big in day wave might not be as big as we think.

    388. Stonewall DW says:

      Some might question the BOOM on the NC poll, but while we have had many tied polls in NC, and Biden +2, its been since mid sept since a poll with outright Trump lead.

    389. PresidentPaul! says:

      Frank Luntz one of the Fox News quacks who fixed the election againset Ron Paul can verify the Biden emails if he wants to.

    390. jaichind says:

      394. To be fair, the Ras NC poll in Sept was Trump +2

    391. Tina says:

      Jebots crushed

      Tim Pool
      @Timcast
      ·
      1h
      It is now fact that Twitter and Facebook suppressed a groundbreaking political scandal that is confirmed by numerous sources

      The scale of this scandal is beyond historic

    392. jaichind says:

      Pelosi just said: “Just about there” in reference to the stimulus package. If Trump and Senate GOP are on the same page on this one I fear this deal might blow up on us and the GOP side will take the blame for it not going through as opposed to Dems.

    393. Tina says:

      Lots of concern trolling.

    394. PhilS says:

      409: Your fear noted.

    395. BennSue says:

      Considering the Hunter laptop issue…..perhaps this was the method that the Dems were considering to remove Joe for Kamala after the inauguration? He gets elected and sworn in, the dam bursts about the laptop, Biden “resigns” for the good of the nation, and Harris is in. Gives some credence why the FBI was not moving on the issue quite yet. However, they did not know that a backup was made and is worming its way through public knowledge right now. Either way, Joe is not going to win, and the scandal will break in full probably 1 second after they realize Trump has won.

    396. Stonewall DW says:

      Baris: I love Larry, but don’t listen to Larry in Florida, in terms the Dem’s ‘magic number’

    397. hugh says:

      I think we can make some general assumptions anchored in common sense. VBM should be heavily dem, Vote in person should lean rep. in total dems should have a larger percentage lead going into election day than in 2016 to win. We know that dems have been convinced that covid is really bad. About 80% fell that way. Reps about 25% feel that way. So the percentage will by higher for reps on election day versus dems than in 2016.

      So if in Florida and NC the dems do not have a considerable adv in the EV well higher than in 2016, they lose.

      The evidence of these assumptions is how well republicans are doing in the in person vote in FL where some red counties started later than broward and some have not started at all. It shows that dems did buy in and opt into vbm. BTW with the republicans now controlling the election supervisors in SE Florida this will be the cleanest election ever in FL. There will be a small but relevant fail rate in vbm. There will be many ballots mailed in too late as evidenced by all the vbm ballots that hack Snipes counted after election day. So yes EV particularly now is not easy to evaluate due to the new VBM push. But when we get closer we will be able to probably make even better estimates on election day. Any state where we are close to dems at this point, they are in trouble. MI WI OH etc.

    398. MrVito says:

      “ Pelosi just said: “Just about there” in reference to the stimulus package”

      Jeffrey Toobin has got your attention now.

    399. Stonewall DW says:

      407 – yes, but could just be statistical noise.

      47.4 to 45.6 rounds to 47/46 but is a 1.8 point lead.

      47.6 to 45.9 rounds to 48/46 and is a 1.7 point lead.

    400. Robbie says:

      Sheeple,Jr. says:
      October 22, 2020 at 8:24 am
      Robbie
      I just watched a part of the “60 Minutes” interview with Joe Biden regarding “packing” the Courts. His answer was chilling. he said,and I am paraphrasing, that “we must go beyond packing the SCOTUS”.
      Wouldn’t it be helpful if Bush43 went full-throated NOW to condemn such a move?!

      – Not sure why this got directed at me, but absolutely he should speak out against it. The question is whether GWB’s words would matter to anyone?

    401. jaichind says:

      Could not the Biden final line of defense be: Hunter were on drugs when those emails and text were written. While under the influence of drugs he made false statements to others on the role Joe Biden played in all these schemes.

    402. Chicon says:

      420 – you can certainly hope, eh?

    403. Stonewall DW says:

      Baris saying more about his quick sample yesterday from WI. He polled 300 from WI:

      WISCONSIN

      Trump 47.5
      Biden 45.3

    404. PhilS says:

      420: Keep up the good work. How much does Pedo Joe pay?

      Why not, “my computer was hacked”? Did you think about that?

    405. Smack says:

      All Early Voting – Florida

      Oct 21st / 5:12pm

      DEM: 1,889,165 45.42%

      GOP: 1,420,793 34.33%

      OCT 22nd / 8:33am

      DEM: 1,944,805 45.17%

      GOP: 1,484,065 34.47%

      Oct 22nd / 9:33am

      DEM: 1,955,437 45.07%

      GOP: 1,499,877 34.57%

      Oct 22nd / 10:25am

      DEM: 1,970,101 44.94%

      GOP: 1,520,748 34.69%

    406. MrVito says:

      For kicks….

      Early Vote in Vigo County
      (TargetSmart Model)

      D 6043
      R 5998
      I 5549

    407. PresidentPaul! says:

      Just sent Hillary in with the hammer.

    408. hugh says:

      The first number is end of yesterday. We have already gained another 11K in Florida and seem to be picking up steam.

      Vbm (D) 547546 554323 554257 554630 555158
      IP (R) 86761 96011 98697 102190 105775
      Total 460785 458312 455560 452440 449383

    409. Stonewall DW says:

      Baris and Barnes looking at donor data by county, and seeing how hugely some of these swing counties show so many more individuals giving to Trump compared to to Biden.

    410. jason says:

      “who fixed the election againset Ron Paul”

      Dang, all 151 primaries and caucuses in a row that he lost?

    411. Baris says:

      Still looking to poll more WI voters. I think I got the right people to put Trump near 50%.

      I also want to say that I love this Stonewall DW guy. Believe he should be President of my fan club.

      Good Work Stonewall DW.

    412. John says:

      409.
      Bingo.

      I’ve also heard that Pelosi said that she wouldn’t be putting in this effort if she wasn’t assured that anything ok’d by Trump would be passed with the help of the Senate GOP.

    413. PresidentPaul! says:

      zerohedge-USA Today Refused To Publish Hunter Biden Scandal Op-Ed, So Here It Is

      #430
      Most of the media was in the fix to promote Communist McCain in 08.

    414. Chicon says:

      Hugh – how many R’s voted for Biden? How many D’s voted for Trump? How many Indies voted for each? Which side has used up more of their very likely voters, and how do you know? How does the fact that EV is going to likely double in size in Florida affect the composition of remaining voters from each side after EV is done?

      I suspect your interpretation of the FL is correct, but I don’t know that. Reading the EV tea leaves is mental Toobinism (which I of course am guilty of)…

    415. BRENT says:

      Larry Schweikart
      @LarrySchweikart
      ·
      48m
      BOOM! FL

      Rs cross the +100,000 threshold in IPEV
      now up 102,190

    416. Chicon says:

      Jason – everyone knows that Ron Paul has been screwed over by The Man too many times to count. Just ask him.

    417. Stonewall DW says:

      Early voting analysis turns out to be correct sometimes, but so are stopped clocks.

    418. hugh says:

      look at the primary voting for trump with no opponent in FL. I dont see many republicans voting for biden and vice versa.

    419. Chicon says:

      Don’t look now, BRENT, but it is 109K.

      https://joeisdone.github.io/florida/

    420. Chicon says:

      438 – ” I dont see many republicans voting for biden and vice versa”

      Exactly, you don’t see it, you’re assuming it. Just like you’re assuming that the election day vote will favor Trump by a certain amount – and it likely will – but you don’t know that either.

    421. John says:

      “Jobless claims drop to 787,000 – lowest since March”

    422. Justin says:

      Republicans now up almost 106,000 in in-person voting. Manatee and Highlands counties have flipped this morning in total votes so far (in person and mail in) to Republican advantage.

    423. Stonewall DW says:

      Baris again pointing out Luzerne County in PA, Trump is polling off the charts. Much stronger than 2016 when he won the county 58/39.

    424. Stonewall DW says:

      Barnes now lamenting how bad the trolls are…how all they can do is repeat the mantras of Silver and others, and then engage in mean attacks. They cannot think or engage in normal dialogue.

    425. Justin says:

      Flagler and Calhoun have now switched to Republican advantage in overall ballots cast with the latest update. Columbia and Jackson appear to be the next counties in line to flip. Then Monroe and Volusia is Republicans really turn it on.

    426. Chicon says:

      Cotto must be sleeping in today….

    427. John says:

      “Northern Ireland, the Czech Republic and the Netherlands all decided in the last few days to going into another lockdown”
      If Biden is elected POTUS count on the US to follow.

    428. Justin says:

      Franklin County is also one that may switch today.

    429. Gordon Allen says:

      Chicon: by that logic( some truth) nobody KNOWS anything but death and taxes,and the election returns until December 14 when the EC meets. Takes all the interest out

    430. Tina says:

      Yes teenager hunter Biden on drugs.

      He knew nuffin.

      Poor victim joe.

      -jebots

    431. Chicon says:

      443 – that is exactly what I’ve seen in Central Wisconsin all year. I looked at three counties – Adams, Marquette and Columbia. All three were Obama counties twice by a good margin (7-10). All three flipped to Trump by similar margins. I don’t believe the swing is complete – I think Trump will win those counties by more than in 2016, perhaps by much more. These counties are not alone in the Upper Midwest, imo. Is it enough? I think so, but we’ll see.

    432. Wes says:

      Early voting is the only metric we have to gauge the electorate in any way. A lot of our analysis is by definition based on assumption because we have no other hard numbers to go by until Election Day.

      I don’t buy the cannibalism argument for early voting because every vote cast is one banked. That said, with Republicans and Democrats both getting about the same proportion of the early voting electorate now they had in NC, I’m looking back at previous elections and concluding the results will mirror results in previous years.

      The hefty focus on early voting may skew things a bit overall, but until hard evidence indicates a marked difference between results from different years with similar voting patterns, I feel confident in my analysis.

    433. Chicon says:

      Gordon – I’m doing the same thing I’m cautioning against. Just trying to keep perspective and apply what Barnes has said, because I respect his knowledge and experience.

    434. jaichind says:

      452. But the ratio of VBM/early vote as a ratio of the total vote will clearly be a lot higher this year than pervious years. This means the GOP margin on election has to be that much higher to make up the deficit. Of course there is every reason to expect such a GOP wave election day.

    435. Stonewall DW says:

      452 – my contact in WI who is plugged into one of the GOP offices there confirms that the GOP is getting the weakest voters banked now, leaving the crawl over broken glass Trump voters for election day.

    436. Wes says:

      RRH is dissecting the Trafalgar MI poll and has concluded Trafalgar polled too many older whites. This may or may not be true. I tend to hope older whites in MI will turn out in force for both Trump and James.

    437. Stonewall DW says:

      I missed this. Barnes saying that Obama in his Philly speech told the 12 people in front of him to vote for Biden “because he’s better than nobody.”

      Wow…there is a great endorsement of Biden.

    438. Stonewall DW says:

      RRH is hopeless.

    439. Tina says:

      Geraldo Rivera
      @GeraldoRivera
      ·
      4h
      Morning there’s a shift in defending #HunterBidenUkraineScandal. Now Dems are saying his computer & contents are real but not relevant.
      Is it relevant for a son to use
      @VP
      dad’s official clout with Embattled foreign ally (#Ukraine) or big pocketed Enemy (#China) To Make Money?

    440. Chicon says:

      Wes – I largely agree, especially about the cannibalization point. Do we know the voting history of the people that have voted in EV? If the Republicans are largely new voters that the GOTV effort has already banked with frequent voters set to vote on Election Day, that sounds good to me. If it is the opposite – the Republicans are banking on first time or infrequent voters on Election Day – that seems like trouble. Same goes in reverse for the Dems.

      If I had to guess, I’d say the strong GOTV for Trump, and the weak effort by Biden will bode well.

    441. Tina says:

      The obumbler in pa also said that a president says are you better off than you were 4 years ago? Claims that trump has never asked that question.

      This is a lie.

    442. Wes says:

      So journalists in their quest to help a rich white man win a Senate race, edit a clip of an articulate answer by a self-made black man and veteran to make the black man look like a lightweight:

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/journalists-share-deceptively-edited-clip-202845711.html

      Racist much?

    443. PhilS says:

      The lazy affirmative action hire can say anything. If no one’s there to listen, what’s the point?

    444. Stonewall DW says:

      Barnes: “Silver is a televangelist who can’t preach but steals just as much”

    445. Todd McCain says:

      GOP EV in FL is ridic strong. GOP is effectively netting 2500-3000 votes ever 1/2 hour. Insane. Also, seems to be that the DEM VBM is starting to dwindle.

    446. Tina says:

      More yikes

      Sean Davis
      @seanmdav
      ·
      22m
      An e-mail to Hunter Biden’s partner from a top Chinese official on July 26, 2017 shows the Chinese energy company CEFC proposed a $5 million “interest-free” loan to the Biden family “based on their trust on [Biden] family[.]”

      “Should CEFC keep lending more to the family?”

    447. Smack says:

      For those who keep criticizing some of us for analyzing early voting I would say to you it was the most accurate tool in the toll box in 2016. The early voting by party registration in 2016 showed an improvement for GOP vs 2012 early vote percentages.

      So with that in mind…we shall continue.

      All Early Voting – Florida

      Oct 21st / 5:12pm

      DEM: 1,889,165 45.42%

      GOP: 1,420,793 34.33%

      OCT 22nd / 8:33am

      DEM: 1,944,805 45.17%

      GOP: 1,484,065 34.47%

      Oct 22nd / 9:33am

      DEM: 1,955,437 45.07%

      GOP: 1,499,877 34.57%

      Oct 22nd / 10:25am

      DEM: 1,970,101 44.94%

      GOP: 1,520,748 34.69%

      Oct 22nd / 11:37am

      DEM: 1,988,113 44.82%

      GOP: 1,543,743 34.80%

    448. Stonewall DW says:

      Smack, what is the link to where you are getting the data?

    449. Smack says:

      Stonewall DW,

      https://joeisdone.github.io/florida/

      Make sure you hit the tab, “early vote all” down below.

    450. Stonewall DW says:

      Baris and Barnes point out how NY Times polling is missing the middle-class, middle-age white working class male voters. Instead, NY Times thinks the 27 year old man serving coffee at Starbucks is the representative sample of men. They are not reaching the rural white male.

    451. Tina says:

      Ruh roh

      YouGov America
      @YouGovAmerica
      · 1h
      Voters are more likely to blame Nancy Pelosi (40%) and Mitch McConnell (31%) than President Trump (16%) for the failure to agree on a stimulus bill.

      https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/10/21/voters-want-stimulus-deal-poll?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=website_article&utm_campaign=covid_stimulus… #COVID19

    452. Smack says:

      All Early Voting – Florida

      Oct 21st / 5:12pm

      DEM: 1,889,165 45.42%

      GOP: 1,420,793 34.33%

      OCT 22nd / 8:33am

      DEM: 1,944,805 45.17%

      GOP: 1,484,065 34.47%

      Oct 22nd / 9:33am

      DEM: 1,955,437 45.07%

      GOP: 1,499,877 34.57%

      Oct 22nd / 10:25am

      DEM: 1,970,101 44.94%

      GOP: 1,520,748 34.69%

      Oct 22nd / 11:37am

      DEM: 1,988,113 44.82%

      GOP: 1,543,743 34.80%

      Oct 22nd / 12.04pm

      DEM: 1,996,838 44.76%

      GOP: 1,554,691 34.85%

      Yesterday morning, Oct 21st, it was…

      46.24%
      33.51%

      WOW!

    453. Stonewall DW says:

      Barnes confirming that the Data for Progress poll showing Trump ahead by 3 among those who have not yet voted in MI, shows the same basic result as Trafalgar, because their poll of those who already voted was absurd, based on the party ID of those who have already voted.

    454. MrVito says:

      The race is on.

      2020 PPIC
      California

      Biden 58 (+26)
      Trump 32

      2016 PPIC
      Clinton 54 (+26)
      Trump 28

      Actual Clinton+28.8

    455. marc says:

      How many Republicans have left California since 2016?

    456. Big Joe says:

      Hi folks,

      Does anyone know how to access crosstabs of the Michigan Trafalgar poll? I’d like to try to reconcile information in polls vs TargetSmart. TargetSmart has got me flummoxed.

      There are no crosstabs here: https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/restoration/pages/1001/attachments/original/1603307463/RSTP_MI_'20_Oct_Press_Report.pdf?1603307463

      BJ

    457. michael corleone says:

      Big Joe that’s because Target Smart is made up BS.

    458. jaichind says:

      472. For Independent voters Pelosi is blamed 46-38 over Trump+McConnel. This is why I am concerned about a Trump-Pelosi deal only for the Senate GOP to shoot it down. The blame will them shift to the GOP.

    459. Phil says:

      You guys need to chill on these early voting numbers and the analysis of.

      You can’t tell a damned thing at this point. You really can’t.

      Doesn’t tell you how many of your election day voters are being cannibalized. Doesn’t tell you how independents are voting or what the party crossover vote is. It doesn’t take into consideration how much effort each party is putting into banking early…etc etc.

      I would ignore anything out of Larry Schweikart just like I’d ignore any of the numbers out of the leftist Target Smart.

    460. NYCmike says:

      No deal is needed before Election Day.

      Finish confirming ACB, allow the hard drive story to continue day by day, and continue enthusiasm with the Trump rallies.

      Any deal, if actually needed, can be pushed right after the election.

      STOP with this ridiculous government spending!

    461. Big Joe says:

      #478, Michael-

      “Big Joe that’s because Target Smart is made up BS.”

      I’d like to give them a fair shot. Their voter classification algorithm being proprietary doesn’t help, but they’re a private entity so they decide.

      Also, can’t find how well they performed vs actuals in 2016 and 2018. They do have the “This day in..” charts but that really won’t be helpful until right before Nov 3, 2020.

      Oh well.

      BJ

    462. dblaikie says:

      480 Agree and disagree. Agree you can’t read too much into them. But still they are data points that are worth comparing to 2016. They can reveal something about voter intensity among other things. So I agree Larry S should not be saying election is over with these returns. But I also like to see how the early vote is going by registration.

    463. Tina says:

      POLITICS
      ‘Political And Strategic Value Of The Biden Family’: Trove Of Documents Shows Biden Family Links To Chinese Business Deal

      https://t.co/a62MvSsTwC?amp=1

    464. mnw says:

      It’s been a bust day, so I’m just now getting around to reading the last 200 or so posts here.

      Random thoughts:

      1) The damn thing is so close, I’m mighty glad the Trump people went all-in on voter reg/GOTV ground game. Trump recently made some reference to how “expensive” it was for his campaign to set up its ground game. Right now, it looks as if they MAY have invested in a desperately needed life preserver. Good investing, imo!

      2) Responding to Jaichind: While the MSM has successfully buried the Biden scandal story, i.e., no hits on “Bobulinski, etc.”, there’s STILL that old devil internet news & commentary to consider. Plus, FOX, at least on its website, is giving the story good play. FOX seems to be updating the story constantly, too.

    465. mnw says:

      486 sb “busy day”

    466. Smack says:

      All Early Voting – Florida

      Oct 21st / 5:12pm

      DEM: 1,889,165 45.42%

      GOP: 1,420,793 34.33%

      OCT 22nd / 8:33am

      DEM: 1,944,805 45.17%

      GOP: 1,484,065 34.47%

      Oct 22nd / 9:33am

      DEM: 1,955,437 45.07%

      GOP: 1,499,877 34.57%

      Oct 22nd / 10:25am

      DEM: 1,970,101 44.94%

      GOP: 1,520,748 34.69%

      Oct 22nd / 11:37am

      DEM: 1,988,113 44.82%

      GOP: 1,543,743 34.80%

      Oct 22nd / 12.04pm

      DEM: 1,996,838 44.76%

      GOP: 1,554,691 34.85%

      Oct 22nd / 1:15pm

      DEM: 2,013,438 44.66%

      GOP: 1,575,069 34.94%

    467. mnw says:

      FOX’ lead story right now:

      “A Cut For ‘The Big Guy’ “

    468. NYCmike says:

      “486 sb “busy day””

      -I see nothing wrong with “a bust day”!

      How you doin’!?!?

    469. lisab says:

      how many R’s voted for Biden? How many D’s voted for Trump?
      —————–

      chicon,

      yes, that is the question

      because it certainly seems that republicans are voting … but how?

    470. dblaikie says:

      Good news! Quinnipiac came out with a poll showing Biden 10 up. That means Trump is ahead.

    471. mnw says:

      NYC

      I’ve had a LOT of “bust days,” but this one not too bad… so far.

      Isles taking care of off season business?

    472. NYCmike says:

      Only news I heard is 4th-line winger, Matt Martin, has multiple offers.

      I hope he stays, but at a realistic salary. If he wants too much, cut him loose.

      Other than that, haven’t paid much attention. New arena is getting built, looks like I will only see inside if someone offers free tickets.

    473. hugh says:

      someone is having a bad day.

      Frank Luntz
      @FrankLuntz
      “In North Carolina, the margin between Democrats and Republicans who have already cast their ballot has been cut in half since last Monday.

      In Florida, that difference is even more stark.”

    474. BayernFan says:

      It’s true ev numbers don’t tell the story….the size of voter turnout in Trump counties will.

    475. Annie says:

      476. marc –
      “How many Republicans have left California since 2016?”

      Too many…My oldest son is pulling up stakes and moving to Texas, where the locals might think he’s a California liberal. He’s just another conservative fleeing the lunacy here.
      My husband says we should pack up and leave, too. And, his family has lived in California since the Gold Rush…voting Republican since Lincoln.

    476. Tina says:

      How is ?Frank Luntz aka dunce’s friend, Hunter?

    477. Robbie says:

      dblaikie says:
      October 22, 2020 at 2:31 pm
      Good news! Quinnipiac came out with a poll showing Biden 10 up. That means Trump is ahead.

      – I think the last four years have shown you can probably knock about 3 points off any Qpoll. That would put Trump at -7 rather than -10. Not saying that’s what the margin is, but Qpolls have consistently been about 3 points tougher on Trump than the polling averages have been.

    478. Justin says:

      Jackson County (FL) just switched D to R in the last update.

    479. Tina says:

      Jebots and Biden groupies are back to muh Russian

      Ken Thomas
      @KThomasDC
      · 31m
      Biden campaign’s @KBeds on debate: “If we see tonight from Donald Trump these attacks on Vice President Biden’s family, I think we need to be very, very clear that what he’s doing here is amplifying Russian misinformation.”

    480. Robbie says:

      Annie says:
      October 22, 2020 at 2:52 pm
      476. marc –
      “How many Republicans have left California since 2016?”

      Too many…My oldest son is pulling up stakes and moving to Texas, where the locals might think he’s a California liberal. He’s just another conservative fleeing the lunacy here.
      My husband says we should pack up and leave, too. And, his family has lived in California since the Gold Rush…voting Republican since Lincoln.

      – Republicans won California in 9 out of 10 presidential elections from 1952 to 1988.

      I continue to believe Republicans can become more than a rump party in the state, but they can’t if Republicans move out of the state.

      Certainly, the party needs a charismatic leader who can build a new coalition out there. The pandemic pushback I believe will come in 2022 will help.

      I have no idea who that person might be, though. I could well be a wealthy business person or celebrity. It worked for Reagan.

    481. WizardofCozz says:

      Robert Barnes
      @Barnes_Law
      ·
      2m
      It isn’t that Republicans overperform; it’s that Trump overperforms & in Trump era, GOP often overperforms in those states.
      Quote Tweet

      Nate Silver
      @NateSilver538
      · 3h
      Yeah, people treating it as some Law of Nature that Republicans overperform their polls in MI/PA/WI need to recall that exactly the opposite happened in 2012. twitter.com/daveweigel/sta…

    482. MrVito says:

      Using TargetSmart data

      In the battleground states, 23.3% of Dem Early voters did not vote in 2016. 21.7% of GOP voters did not vote in 2016.

      So, I don’t see much difference between the parties turning out new voters.

    483. Tina says:

      Yikes

      Jeff Carlson
      @themarketswork
      ·
      31m
      Item #2:

      “5 million is lent to BD family in the 10 million charter capital…This 5 million loan to BD family is interest-free. But if the 5 M is used up, should CEFC keep lending more to the family…”

      The trail of these $ and repayment or non-repayment will be interesting…

    484. LewisS says:

      MrVito,

      It would be interesting to know the “usual” new voter percentages from past elections.

      For example, if Dems usually have a 10% advantage in new voters because of new younger voters who skew Dem … but this year it’s only 1.6% advantage, maybe that tells us something about fewer younger voters or more new Trump voters.

    485. Gordon Allen says:

      Robbie Q had Biden up 13 in Florida earlier this year. They had Desantis and Scott down7-8 the day before the election. That’s a mite more than 3. You’re trying way too hard. My two dogs could more accurately predict elections better than Quinnepiac C’ mon man

    486. Annie says:

      502. Robbie…
      The reason Republicans are leaving California is that the Democrats have so gerrymandered the districts in their favor that they now have a super-majority in Sacramento, and continue to pass legislation that favors their continued one-party dictatorship. Now, the Dems are beginning a campaign to overturn Prop 13, which will make our already incredibly high taxes unbearable. I remember when we started having a huge influx of liberals from all over pour into the coastal cities in the 1990s, and things started going downhill fast. It should be a lesson – a warning – of how Democrats will govern on the federal level, if they ever get control of everything.

    487. NYCmike says:

      #507 – I thought Robbie’s number of “add 3” was a bit low!

      Also – Robbie, when did you start using the term “rump party”?

      “I continue to believe Republicans can become more than a rump party in the state, but they can’t if Republicans move out of the state.”

    488. Big Joe says:

      One interesting data point provided by TargetSmart is “voter score.” All votes already cast (early + mail) are classified as being cast by either:
      1. First-time voter
      2. Infrequent voter
      3. Frequent voter
      4. Super voter

      Last update: Oct 22, 2020, 10:51:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time
      https://targetearly.targetsmart.com/index.html?view_type=National&demo=Voter%20Score&demo_val=Super%20Voter&demo2=Modeled%20Party

      This is a “National” number and also based on “Model party” so some grains of salt are probably needed. This may help to show how much election day cannibalism is taking place.

      Total / 100.0% / 40,556,909.00
      Super D % / 16.7% / 6,792,714
      Super R % / 14.2% / 5,772,465
      Super U % / 2.2% / 872,582
      Frequent D % / 21.1% / 8,551,140
      Frequent R% / 16.1% / 6,517,536
      Frequent U % / 3.9% / 1,600,213
      Infrequent D% / 10.1% / 4,112,471
      Infrequent R% / 6.7% / 2,720,557
      Infrequent U% / 2.7% / 1,075,569
      First time D % / 2.8% / 1,149,139
      First time R % / 2.3% / 925,346
      First time U % / 1.1% / 440,042

      So I would think that Super voters and Frequent voters would be your typical election day voters. Them voting early would represent bankage of the Election Day vote.

      BJ

    489. lisab says:

      Also – Robbie, when did you start using the term “rump party”?
      ————————

      the current trolls all seem to use the term … hmmmmmm. 🙂

    490. hugh says:

      504 who are their battleground states?

    491. lisab says:

      which will make our already incredibly high taxes unbearable.
      —————-

      in NY, in the place i lived, around 2003 the dems raised property taxes a lot …

      $250,000 houses went from $3000/year taxes to $10,000+ a year in taxes.

      by 2018 when i left those houses were $150,000 houses … because who wants to pay $10,000 a year in property taxes?

      in contrast, our $500,000 house on Cape Cod had $4k or so in property taxes … and it was on Cape Cod!

      run Annie … run before the tax man destroys your wealth! no one will buy a house that has huge property taxes … and in ny the people were letting their houses fall apart, because they would not invest in a depleting asset, some houses were being abandoned.

      there were HUGE houses, that were mansions 100 years ago, that were simply coming apart because no one wanted to spend $150,000 to buy a 5000 sqft home that needed $200,000 in repairs!

    492. Robbie says:

      Gordon Allen says:
      October 22, 2020 at 3:11 pm
      Robbie Q had Biden up 13 in Florida earlier this year. They had Desantis and Scott down7-8 the day before the election. That’s a mite more than 3. You’re trying way too hard. My two dogs could more accurately predict elections better than Quinnepiac C’ mon man

      – I’m only talking about Qpolls in relation to the RCP average for Trump’s approval.

    493. lisab says:

      well, trump seems to have florida

      wes says he will win NC and he knows NC

      so trump needs pa, mi, wi, or mn

      and to hold az

    494. LewisS says:

      Agreed about reading early vote tea leaves, but it’s interesting to note the percentage at which Rs are outvoting Ds in FL is actually increasing in Collier and Sumter.

      Just the R-D early vote in Sumpter went from 81.5% on Tuesday to 82.5% on Wednesday to over 83% today.

      Collier went from 67% to 73% to 73.9% from Tues to today.

    495. WizardofCozz says:

      Peoples_Pundit
      @Peoples_Pundit
      ·
      3m
      Dead to rights.

      Imagine wanting to be a journalist all your life and being told by your corrupt editor to stand down on a story like this.
      Quote Tweet

      Sean Davis
      @seanmdav
      · 27m
      Text messages obtained by @FDRLST show Hunter Biden personally arranging a meeting with his business partners and Joe Biden to discuss a major deal with CEFC, a Chinese energy company. The meeting occurred at the Beverly Hilton in L.A. in early May. Texts are from May 2, 2017.
      Show this thread

    496. Annie says:

      513. lisab…
      A couple of years ago, we sold my deceased father-in-law’s house in Mountain View for almost $2 million to a Google employee. The taxes for that purchaser are out-the-window high. The house is only 1300 sq. ft.
      My in-laws bought the 3 bedroom house in 1954 for $15,000 and continued to pay about $1000 in taxes until the sale. Without Prop 13’s protection, all homes will have to pay on newly accessed values, not the original purchase prices.
      My home’s accessed value is now 4x what it was when I bought it in the 1990s. I can’t imagine the tax increase…

    497. Annie says:

      518. My home’s assessed value…

    498. Tina says:

      Yup

      Overturn 13

      High gas prices.

      Illegals, dog poop, rioters, and homeless

      Bad infrastructure

      Perpetual lockdowns (Disneyland)

    499. BRENT says:

      Larry Schweikart
      @LarrySchweikart
      ·
      16m
      FL Early In Person Voting
      Rs +128,741

    500. BRENT says:

      Larry Schweikart
      @LarrySchweikart
      ·
      14m
      The difference in Miami Dade now is 1.5% D lead and in Palm Beach it’s just 2.9%.

      Wow.

    501. Robbie says:

      NYCmike says:
      October 22, 2020 at 3:18 pm
      #507 – I thought Robbie’s number of “add 3” was a bit low!

      Also – Robbie, when did you start using the term “rump party”?

      “I continue to believe Republicans can become more than a rump party in the state, but they can’t if Republicans move out of the state.”

      – I’ve long considered the Republican Party a rump party in California. Maybe I haven’t used that term here too often, but there’s never been a reason to discuss the state because the party is so insignificant. Until recently, Independents were a larger share than Republicans.

      It would be hard to describe the Republican Party in California as anything other than a rump party. They are a nonfactor. They are completely shut out of any governance. They hold about 1/4 of the state legislative seats and hold just 8 of the 53 House states California is allotted.

      As much as I would like to believe a pandemic pushback in 2022 could open a small chance for the party to make gains in California, even the best candidates would likely still have no chance of winning. In 2010, Republicans ran Whitman and Fiorina and both lost by 10 or more points.

      In 1993, Richard Riorden won the LA mayor’s race and Pete Wilson was governor. In 1994, Republicans had a great chance to defeat Diane Feinstein, Pete Wilson easily won re-election, and Republicans won control of the state house. In 1998, many thought Matt Fong could beat Boxer (he didn’t). Those days are long gone.

    502. Tina says:

      Lol

      zerohedge
      @zerohedge
      · 28m
      Biden Campaign Implies Hunter’s Ex-Biz Partners Are Russian Assets https://zerohedge.com/political/biden-campaign-implies-hunters-ex-biz-partners-are-russian-assets

    503. hugh says:

      At this rate of collapse in Dem EV totals it will be a blowout in FL. However, what is not clear is to what extend their may be a less robust souls to the polls? Also, I believe in some red counties they do not have Sunday EV. We will see.

    504. Annie says:

      520. Tina… The “Golden State” is more like the “Fool’s Gold State” these days. Or, the “Tarnished Brass State.”

      If only the “dog poop” was just dog poop…Forget the flowers in your hair…If you come to San Francisco, be sure to wear a clothes-pin on your nose.

    505. lisab says:

      yes the gop is killing it in FL

      UNLESS

      biden is getting crossover votes, e.g. the conventional wisdom that suburban women voting for biden.

      you CANNOT say the republicans are not turning out

      so, either florida is toast for biden, or he is getting republican voters.

      that is the only way he is up 5% in florida

    506. Robbie says:

      Annie

      Are there any politicians on the Republican side, well known or not, you believe could lead the start of a comeback in the state? Is there anyone you like?

    507. Tina says:

      Annie, there is not much to help us,

      The rinos took over and act like Drats.

      Look at schwarznkennedy.

      One of the worst Rs in the last 50 years.

    508. Robbie says:

      Let me put it another way. Is there another George Deukmajian lurking in California?

    509. Annie says:

      524. “Biden Campaign Implies Hunter’s Ex-Biz Partners Are Russian Assets”

      So, the Biden campaign is admitting that the Biden family is compromised and a national security risk? That or the family are criminals…Could be all of the above.

    510. Greymarch says:

      Love it. This reminds of the scene from Godfather 2, where Michael Corleone brings the brother of Frank Pentengeli to the congressional hearings as a “friend of the family.”

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/president-trump-plans-to-bring-hunter-biden-associate-tony-bobulinski-as-guest-to-debate

    511. hugh says:

      another FL dump. Trump has closed the total ev gap by 27.8K so far today. wow.

    512. lisab says:

      once property taxes go up

      they won’t come down fast.

      anyone who buys a home for $1,000,000+ now cannot easily walk away.

      more likely people just stop investing in their homes and when they die their children sell them off at whatever price they can get.

    513. hugh says:

      My suspicion is that Trump is killing it compare to 2016 in SE FL with latinos

    514. Tina says:

      Lisab,

      I believe 10/11 counties in Florida, which according to Cotto, are not yet doing ev and are R.

    515. Robbie says:

      I remember in 2004 Robert Novak wrote a column saying that GWB’s top fundraiser in California said the state was worth trying to win. GWB didn’t put much effort into the state other than some fundraising trips, but he managed 44% of the vote. That remains the highest total for a Republican since his father won the state with 51% in 1988.

      I’m not going to try and claim Republican can turn the state purple anytime soon, but our last large electoral vote bastion of Texas is trending to the left, slowly, but to the left. We can’t cede these large states like we did California in the late 1990’s and early 2000’s.

    516. lisab says:

      #532 biden won’t know about it

      if i was on his team, i would either not tell him at all, or tell him, “trump brought some dog faced pony soldier to rattle you, ignore him. he is some guy who is lying about hunter”

      he won’t even recognize the guy

    517. Tina says:

      Yes, this is a move out of the 2nd debate in 2016.

      He brought all the women that were “allegedly” raped by bj.

      Wonder if he does a presser before with him?

    518. MikeP says:

      Annie,
      We moved out of CA in 2007 and bought a boat in FL in live on for 10 years. We now own a house in the Houston TX area which is fantastic for our retirement years. We made a large windfall from selling our house in Newport Beach, and bought boat from the proceeds.

      Living in TX has great and the property taxes for over age 65 is about $350. per year and no state income tax. Housing prices are about 150/sqft

    519. Tina says:

      And Rudy and Bannon have the receipts, thanks fo the laptop from hell.

      Drip, drip, drip

    520. lisab says:

      I believe 10/11 counties in Florida, which according to Cotto, are not yet doing ev and are R.
      ————————

      yeah, there is just no way the dems are happy about where the votes are coming from in florida

      it is not like the republicans are not showing up

      they have to pray biden is more popular than trump among republicans

    521. Tina says:

      Lisab, it looks like they ain’t getting much out out Miami dade.

      But if trump,wins Florida, he gets it by 2 or 3.

    522. Robbie says:

      To put California in a different perspective, some wonder how Trump can trail nationally by as many as 10 points. Well in 2016, Trump lost California by a whopping 4,300,000 votes. Clinton won the popular vote by 2,900,000 votes.

      This is certainly a topic for after the election, but Republicans can’t just ignore a state with a population of 39 million.

    523. Tina says:

      Dow up over 153.

      Very strong economic news today.

    524. Annie says:

      528. Not a one in NorCal that could have state-wide appeal. The foothills, Sierra, and far north have some locally popular Republican politicians…but then, the people there are a far different breed than the coastal liberals. Maybe they actually will break away from the rest of California and form a new state – which has been a dream for conservatives for just about as long as I can remember. In SoCal, the Democrats are perfecting ballot-harvesting and “finding after election votes” so that traditionally red congressional seats have flipped. So, there’s not really anyone elected in the GOP who can run state-wide and win. Maybe it’ll get so horrible, even liberals will come to their senses…but, I won’t hold my breath.

    525. lisab says:

      if biden wins pa and mn then it will be

      252 biden
      249 trump

      with az (11), wi (10) and mi (16) outstanding

      who can win 2 out of 3?

    526. Tina says:

      I wonder if tonites Drat moderator will ask any foreign policy questions

      I don’t know how any “republicans” on thie debate commission, if there are any, allowed for the change in topics.

    527. WizardofCozz says:

      Robbie,

      You can preach about not taking California for granted, but other then certain areas, what message do you propose would actually draw voters. It’s just not going to happen right now, the state is going to have to cater economically before people will possibly look at other alternatives.

    528. Tina says:

      How in the heck does China Biden get a $5 million loan without interest?

    529. lisab says:

      I wonder if tonites Drat moderator will ask any foreign policy questions
      ———————————

      sure …

      “vice president biden, why are your foreign policy plans so wonderful?”

      “hey trump! why are you killing billions of people all over the world?”

    530. lisab says:

      How in the heck does China Biden get a $5 million loan without interest?
      —————————————

      it is worse than that, if it is a bribe they probably did not actually pay any money back

      AND

      deducted non-existent interest payments

    531. NYCmike says:

      “How in the heck does China Biden get a $5 million loan without interest?”

      -If Hunter doesn’t come out soon, I may change my name and, at the least, take the bad press while getting my hand on the bank accounts!

    532. lisab says:

      debate organizers will not be putting trump’s guest in a place visible to biden.

    533. Robbie says:

      Annie says:
      October 22, 2020 at 4:03 pm
      528. Not a one in NorCal that could have state-wide appeal. The foothills, Sierra, and far north have some locally popular Republican politicians…but then, the people there are a far different breed than the coastal liberals. Maybe they actually will break away from the rest of California and form a new state – which has been a dream for conservatives for just about as long as I can remember. In SoCal, the Democrats are perfecting ballot-harvesting and “finding after election votes” so that traditionally red congressional seats have flipped. So, there’s not really anyone elected in the GOP who can run state-wide and win. Maybe it’ll get so horrible, even liberals will come to their senses…but, I won’t hold my breath.

      – That’s sad to read, but I’m not surprised either. I’d like to think someone like Condi Rice could mount a serious statewide effort, but she’s not interested. It may take a super wealthy liberal Republican willing to spend his or her own money to get the party competitive in a statewide race. Of course, competitive might mean getting 45%.

      It seems as the party became more and more irrelevant, the party moved farther and farther to the right. It’s a cautionary tale for the party around the rest of the country. For instance, I think electing Allen West In Texas was a mistake, but we’ll see.

    534. lisab says:

      If Hunter doesn’t come out soon, I may change my name and, at the least, take the bad press while getting my hand on the bank accounts!
      ——————-

      i wonder if that would work?

      change your name to hunter biden and then just break the law

      if you are in a blue state you might be untouchable

    535. Country Dick Montana says:

      “We can’t cede these large states like we did California in the late 1990’s and early 2000’s.”

      I think that it is inevitable. we are just trying to fend off the changes as long as we can. This will be our kids’ fight, at least the ones that haven’t already surrendered to acceptance of a nanny state.

    536. NYCmike says:

      “if you are in a blue state you might be untouchable”

      -I could parlay it into a run for elected office in NY and/or NJ!

    537. PhilS says:

      Condi Rice has never won a class president election.

      The cautionary tale for the GOP around the country is “stop illegal immigration”. The not-so-secret to Dem success in CA is flooding it with illegals.

    538. PresidentPaul! says:

      BREAKING: The FDA approves Gilead’s remdesivir as a coronavirus treatment.
      Previously it had approval for emergency use (I believe on compassionate use criteria)

    539. Stonewall DW says:

      561 – A judge from Hawaii has just thrown out that approval, demanding a new committee of experts re-examine the treatment, starting two weeks from now.

    540. NYCmike says:

      Robbie mentions Condi Rice for the thousandth time!

      I love Condi Rice, but she has NEVER ran for elected office, and is probably too much of a class act to stoop down to such an occupation.

      Why even mention a person who has shown ZERO interest in running for office!?!?

    541. Robbie says:

      WizardofCozz says:
      October 22, 2020 at 4:06 pm
      Robbie,

      You can preach about not taking California for granted, but other then certain areas, what message do you propose would actually draw voters. It’s just not going to happen right now, the state is going to have to cater economically before people will possibly look at other alternatives.

      – I think it goes back to a point I made a few weeks ago on a different subject. They have to try. Showing up is a big part of the game and Republicans don’t really bother to show up anymore out there. If you believe in the ideas, be willing to take them to places that haven’t heard the message in a long time. Baby steps work at this point.

      For instance, the Hispanic community is not a naturally a liberal group. Since most are Catholics, there’s a traditional conservative culture aspect that can be discussed like religious freedom. They can’t even go to Mass right now in California, at least not more than 10 at a time, right?

      And while I know immigration is a big deal with many posters here, there’s nothing wrong with the Republicans in California differentiating themselves with national Republicans. The Pete Wilson era gutted the party, but many Hispanics prefer legal immigration. Talk to them and you might just change some minds. Ignore them, and they’ll continue to go further to the left.

    542. Annie says:

      555. “super-wealthy liberal Republican”

      Like Schwarzenegger? Such a person would have to govern like a Democrat, or any policies they’d support would be beat-down in the state legislature.

    543. lisab says:

      I could parlay it into a run for elected office in NY
      ——————

      take the bribe

      leave the cannoli

      (not a fan of italian desserts)

    544. Robbie says:

      NYCmike says:
      October 22, 2020 at 4:18 pm
      Robbie mentions Condi Rice for the thousandth time!

      I love Condi Rice, but she has NEVER ran for elected office, and is probably too much of a class act to stoop down to such an occupation.

      Why even mention a person who has shown ZERO interest in running for office!?!?

      – Trump had never run for office before 2016 either. He teased and teased a run, but didn’t pull the trigger for nearly 20 years.

      Look, we’re talking about California so this is mostly a theoretical discussion. Still, name a more prominent Republican in the state than her. Also, she did get vetted for Romney’s VP selection in 2012 so she’s not totally opposed to political office.

    545. lisab says:

      uh oh

      msnbc has just called fl and thus the election for biden

    546. PhilS says:

      Condi Rice is so 2000.

      CA needs Meg Whitman.

    547. lisab says:

      california has to crash and burn before it can turn around

      it is like an alcoholic

      until they hit bottom, they are not savable.

    548. mnw says:

      547 lisab

      Based on the totality of everything I’ve read (that is to say, the HUNDREDS of wasted, irreplaceable hours I’ve spent absorbing arcane trivia)…

      I like Trump’s chances in MI more than in any other battleground state– (unless you throw in OH as one of them, which I don’t.)

      I also believe that MI & WI will end up going the same way.

      Anyway, MI is beginning to look like Trump’s upper midwest firewall to me.

    549. PhilS says:

      Or Carly Fiorina.

    550. lisab says:

      mn just sent out emails saying the governor has just approved a huge bond

      saving government employee jobs

      yay!

    551. Robbie says:

      Annie says:
      October 22, 2020 at 4:19 pm
      555. “super-wealthy liberal Republican”

      Like Schwarzenegger? Such a person would have to govern like a Democrat, or any policies they’d support would be beat-down in the state legislature.

      – Here’s the thing. You’ve got to start somewhere. There’s never going to be a Rick Perry elected governor in California so setting the standard as a conservative who can rally conservatives across the country isn’t going to happen.

      Baby steps. Do what you can to promote interest in the party. This isn’t about today, it’s about what it can generate in 5 or 10 years. California isn’t going to flip anytime soon, but we can lay the groundwork just as Democrats have in Texas.

    552. NYCmike says:

      I wouldn’t think to put Condi in the same discussion with a Trump, their skill sets are totally different.

      How would Condi get even 25% of the attention that Trump got? What characteristic of hers would set her apart from some loud-mouth political hustler who runs as a Republican out of the interior of the state?

    553. lisab says:

      mnw,

      i agree.

      either the polls are right, and trump is getting crushed in the midwest

      or

      he is doing very well in both mi and wi

    554. Tina says:

      Fiorina is a disaster

      I won’t mention the face.

    555. lisab says:

      before anyone asks me

      i have no idea how trump/biden are doing in mn

      people don’t talk openly about politics here

      not even among the teachers.

      that is just a minnesota thing, i have never lived anyplace where people are so tight lipped about politics.

      in provincetown, there are probably well-toned half-naked men with biden tassels on their nipples
      walking around town

    556. Robbie says:

      Both Whitman and Fiorina ran in 2010 in California and they both lost by wide margins. Whitman publicly supported Clinton in 2016 and now supports Biden in 2020. If she ran for governor in 2022 as a Republican, I would gladly support her, but she would get lots of opposition from the right in the jungle primary. Fiorina is now a resident of Virginia.

    557. WizardofCozz says:

      Robbie,

      I don’t necessarily think democrats have laid the groundwork in Texas, illegal immigration and migration from states like California have changed state demographics making it easier to elect democrats. Demographics aren’t changing positiviely for Republicans in California right now. What we need to focus on is continuing to push the rust belt red.

    558. Robbie says:

      NYCmike says:
      October 22, 2020 at 4:24 pm
      I wouldn’t think to put Condi in the same discussion with a Trump, their skill sets are totally different.

      How would Condi get even 25% of the attention that Trump got? What characteristic of hers would set her apart from some loud-mouth political hustler who runs as a Republican out of the interior of the state?

      – Valid points, but at least she would start with high name ID (that can be both good and bad).

      She’s not going to run for anything, but she would give people a much different perspective of the party in state where the party’s image is mud.

    559. PhilS says:

      Robbie likes stone-cold losers.

      What’s new?

    560. NYCmike says:

      Democrats in Texas did what the Democrats in NJ and CT did – they waited for enough idiot Dems to move from NY to their states, made sure to keep them registered as Democrats, then started winning elections.

      And on top of that, the Republicans in NJ and CT acted more and more like Democrat-lite, instead of Republicans, thereby lowering the enthusiasm of their now-minority party status.

    561. Robbie says:

      WizardofCozz says:
      October 22, 2020 at 4:28 pm
      Robbie,

      I don’t necessarily think democrats have laid the groundwork in Texas, illegal immigration and migration from states like California have changed state demographics making it easier to elect democrats. Demographics aren’t changing positiviely for Republicans in California right now. What we need to focus on is continuing to push the rust belt red.

      – At least in 2018 and 2020, the places where Republicans seem to be slipping the most are the suburbs. There are a lot of lifelong Republicans in Dallas and Houston who voted for GWB, McCain, Romney, Perry, Kay Baily, Cornyn, and Phil Graham who appear to be easing towards Democrats. I’m not sure that’s all due to illegal immigration of Cali transplants.

    562. NYCmike says:

      “Democrats in Texas did”

      -Should read “Democrats in Texas are trying to do….”

    563. SoHope says:

      I would support Condi for VP in a heartbeat. Her real potential would be as a CA Senator or leave CA and run somewhere else

    564. PresidentPaul! says:

      Trailer park residents say landlord threatened to double rent if Biden wins

      https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1319371980764860419

    565. NYCmike says:

      “who appear to be easing towards Democrats.”

      -Once Trump is out, they will revert to Republicans, if they are allowed to retain their positions of authority which enable them to take advantage of inside information.

      I think they are worried about the Biden laptop as much as the Bidens.

    566. Robbie says:

      NYCmike says:
      October 22, 2020 at 4:32 pm
      Democrats in Texas did what the Democrats in NJ and CT did – they waited for enough idiot Dems to move from NY to their states, made sure to keep them registered as Democrats, then started winning elections.

      And on top of that, the Republicans in NJ and CT acted more and more like Democrat-lite, instead of Republicans, thereby lowering the enthusiasm of their now-minority party status.

      – The problem is many in the party can’t accept that Republicans in Connecticut might not have the same concerns as Republicans in Texas. If the party just becomes a mirror image of Tom Cotton or Ted Cruz, it’s not going to win.

    567. Robbie says:

      SoHope says:
      October 22, 2020 at 4:34 pm
      I would support Condi for VP in a heartbeat. Her real potential would be as a CA Senator or leave CA and run somewhere else

      – I agree completely. I think had Romney chosen her as VP in 2012, he might have won. She’s definitely a VP or Senator rather than a governor.

    568. Country Dick Montana says:

      “There are a lot of lifelong Republicans in Dallas and Houston who voted for GWB…who appear to be easing towards Democrats.”

      Why would that be? These are probably smart people, so is it the DEM policies that they like? DO they feel like they will be insulated from the worst of the DEM policies?

    569. PresidentPaul! says:

      #589
      I’d rather have a candidate lose than nominate an arnold schwarzenegger, Jeb, or little Marco.

    570. PresidentPaul! says:

      Dems will be stacking the courts anyways so we need candidates who will commit to stacking the courts in retribution as well.

    571. Phil says:

      Just took a quick look on Worldmeter at Europe’s COVID case numbers today and The graph of each day’s number of new cases for each country over the last couple of weeks.

      Boy, that lockdown strategy is really working. LOL

      What a disaster.

    572. MikeP says:

      I am a lifelong Republican that voted for Bush because of straight ticket. President Trump is the best president in my adult life (73). Even better than Reagan, we had rough financial time during that period.

    573. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      October 22, 2020 at 4:42 pm
      Just took a quick look on Worldmeter at Europe’s COVID case numbers today and The graph of each day’s number of new cases for each country over the last couple of weeks.

      Boy, that lockdown strategy is really working. LOL

      What a disaster.

      – The mask mandates are crushing it as well.

    574. PhilS says:

      ” I agree completely. I think had Romney chosen her as VP in 2012, he might have won. She’s definitely a VP or Senator rather than a governor.”

      Idiot. Romney would never have won, Deven if he had chosen Jesus Christ as his running mate. Get that in your thick skull.

    575. MikeP says:

      my only voting regrets that I have in the rearview mirrow are Nixon and GHW Bush

    576. Annie says:

      574. Robbie…I was the one yelling when the Delaware GOP picked Christine “I am not a witch” O’Donnell over Mike Castle in the 2010 primary. Of course, candidates should reflect their local citizenry and their needs. Of course, some places are just more liberal overall than other places (why I never thought Lincoln Chafee deserved all the negativity he dealt with from some in the GOP). But, having anyone in the GOP, liberal or conservative or anywhere in-between, elected state-wide anytime soon in California is simply a fantasy.

    577. Phil says:

      LOL

      Yeah, those masks are doing the job alright.

      Their case numbers in every country, France, Italy, France, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, UK dwarf what they experienced back last April.

      We don’t need no stinking vaccine. Masks are much more effective! LOL

    578. Robbie says:

      Annie says:
      October 22, 2020 at 4:47 pm
      574. Robbie…I was the one yelling when the Delaware GOP picked Christine “I am not a witch” O’Donnell over Mike Castle in the 2010 primary. Of course, candidates should reflect their local citizenry and their needs. Of course, some places are just more liberal overall than other places (why I never thought Lincoln Chafee deserved all the negativity he dealt with from some in the GOP). But, having anyone in the GOP, liberal or conservative or anywhere in-between, elected state-wide anytime soon in California is simply a fantasy.

      – I agree completely. I was just suggesting that we have to start somewhere. They have to lay the foundation now in hopes it pays off in a decade or so.

    579. Country Dick Montana says:

      “Their case numbers in every country, France, Italy, France, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, UK dwarf what they experienced back last April.”

      Are hospitalizations and deaths up to April levels also?

    580. NYCmike says:

      Not saying the Republicans in NJ and CT should act like those in TX.

      BUT, I am saying that you should be able to tell the difference. I know in NY State, with those Democrats in the State Senate who colluded with the Republicans to maintain power for themselves, that was the worst thing that could have happened, as it allowed Cuomo to act like a moderate for several years, which gave a REpublican a ZERO chance to differentiate themselves when opposing him in a campaign.

    581. Annie says:

      590. Robbie… Right now, Ronald Reagan could rise from the dead and be as he was in his political prime – and he would not get elected to anything in California state-wide…maybe a congressional seat in the 4th District (now Tom McClintock’s).

    582. Gatorbillyjoel says:

      Looks like Rump is running back to Ohio this weekend. Sad!

    583. MrVito says:

      According to Gallup, 93% of Republicans view Trump favorably and 76% view him highly favorably.

      In 2016, 81% viewed him favorably while only 30% viewed him highly favorably.

      Only 10% of Republicans view Joe favorably compared with 6% for Clinton in 2016.

      So, I don’t think Joe should count on crossover vote.

      He would have to hope for a partisan shift. The recent Gallup party ID spreads do not bear that out, but the most recent hasn’t been released.

    584. Country Dick Montana says:

      Robbie – it is one thing to have a liberal Republican on the team (Collins.) But at some point the parties have to have a shared values. The DEMS have gone full big government and full nanny state.

      What shared values would an ELECTABLE Republican in CA (or NY, MA etc.) share with a Republican in TX?

      If it is only about winning elections without policy then all it becomes is just another sporting event.

    585. Robbie says:

      Annie says:
      October 22, 2020 at 4:54 pm
      590. Robbie… Right now, Ronald Reagan could rise from the dead and be as he was in his political prime – and he would not get elected to anything in California state-wide…maybe a congressional seat in the 4th District (now Tom McClintock’s).

      – I totally agree. If I suggested otherwise, I didn’t mean to do so. I just hope the party out there realizes that laying the foundation today can pay dividends in a decade or so.

    586. jaichind says:

      607. He can also hope for a large swing of independents toward Biden. Many polls show it but I really doubt how much Biden can get out of this.

    587. Brion says:

      Gatortards mom woke him up with laundry again

    588. Scooterboy says:

      Pence will be in Minnesota on Monday.