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    Happy Thanksgiving!

    A clean thread for Thanksgiving.

    Posted by Dave at 11:02 am
    Filed under: General | Comments (678)

    678 Responses to “Happy Thanksgiving!”

    1. Bitterlaw says:

      First

    2. Chicon says:

      Happy to follow Candidate Bitter (R-PA).

    3. jason says:

      Robbie’s source of news has a new word for Biden’s gaffes.

      CNN:

      ZELENY: The country is going to see the person who many in Washington have known for a very long time. He’s steady, he’s measured, he doesn’t always stay on script. We’ll see if he does that as president. He has a long history, we used to call them gaffes, now, in this climate, it’s something different entirely: empathy is really what shines through.”

      Used to be gaffes. Now it is empathy.

    4. jason says:

      “Romney is one of the first politicians I’ve ever seen who was an outsider and specifically went to D.C. just so he could join the cocktail circuit and receive faint praise from CNN flacks.”

    5. Chicon says:

      Like the man said, Romney is the very picture of what “caused” Trump.

    6. Bitterlaw says:

      Do people really go to cocktail parties any more? Seems like a pretty outdated reference,

    7. jason says:

      Romney is outdated scum.

    8. Cash Cow TM says:

      test

    9. jason says:

      We see your smoke signals, cow.

    10. jason says:

      Axelrod used a scorched earth strategy against Romney that was the exact opposite of “civility”, yet now Romney, suffering from a severe case of Stockholm Syndrome, joins Axelrod to attack others for supposed lack of civility.

      You can’t make this sh-t up.

    11. Cash Cow TM says:

      Has Dave blocked Cow?

      Post not showing up.

    12. jason says:

      Rand Paul has always been my least favorite “R” senator, but Romney is giving him a run for his money.

    13. jason says:

      Probably an offending word.

    14. Cash Cow TM says:

      Cow gives up.

    15. Cash Cow TM says:

      When Walt first ran, he used a stepladder on his cards/mailers.

    16. Cash Cow TM says:

      …as a hook.

      Something about “stepping above” the politics.
      Walt’s district was a heavy D one.

    17. Cash Cow TM says:

      Walt’s pie in the sky plan was to have people set up stepladders in their front yard next to his yard sign to get more attention.

      Never panned out.
      Bad people would probably take the ladders at night.

    18. jason says:

      Guests are arriving soon. We are going to hide their cars in Amos’ barn so Wolf’s secret police doesn’t fine us for too many cars in driveway.

    19. jason says:

      I hear Cuomo has some extra church and synagogue police that he will be lending to PA on account of the SCOTUS ruling.

    20. jason says:

      Agenda polling results for your Thanksgiving delight.

      Arizona (Avg Biden+2.6%, Result Biden+0.3%)
      Data Orbital- Biden 46, Trump 45 (Off by <1%)
      Univ Arizona – Biden 50, Trump 45 (Off by 4%)
      OH Predictive- Biden 49, Trump 46 (Off by 3%)
      Data Orbital- Biden 47, Trump 42 (Off by 5%)
      OH Predictive- Biden 49, Trump 45 (Off by 4%)
      Data Orbital- Biden 48, Trump 43 (Off by 5%)
      HighGround, Inc- Biden 46, Trump 45 (Off by <1%)

      Florida (Avg Biden+2.5%, Result Trump+3.4%)
      St. Pete- Biden 49, Trump 48 (Off by 4%)
      Florida Atlantic- Biden 50, Trump 48 (Off by 5%)
      St. Pete- Biden 49, Trump 47 (Off by 5%)
      University of North Florida- Biden 48, Trump 47 (Off by 4%)
      Mason & Dixon- Biden 48, Trump 45 (Off by 6%)
      St. Pete- Biden 49, Trump 47 (Off by 5%)
      Clearview Research- Biden 47, Trump 40 (Off by 10%)
      Florida Atlantic- Biden 51, Trump 47 (Off by 7%)
      St. Leo University- Biden 50, Trump 44 (Off by 9%)
      Cherry Communications- Biden 49, Trump 44 (Off by 8%)
      University of North Florida- Biden 51, Trump 45 (Off by 9%)

      Georgia (Avg Biden+1.2%, Result Biden+0.3%)
      Landmark Communications- Trump 50, Biden 46 (Off by 4%)
      Insider Advantage- Trump 48, Biden 46 (Off by 2%)
      Landmark Communications- Trump 48, Biden 47 (Off by 1%)
      University of Georgia/AJC- Biden 47, Trump 46 (Off by <1%)
      Landmark Communications- Trump 49, Biden 45 (Off by 4%)
      SurveyUSA/WXIA Atlanta- Biden 48, Trump 46 (Off by 2%)
      Landmark Communications- Trump 49, Biden 47 (Off by 2%)
      University of Georgia/AJC- Trump 48, Biden 47 (Off by 1%)

      Iowa (Avg Trump+1.3%, Result Trump+8.3%)
      Selzer/DMR- Trump 48, Biden 41 (Off by 1%)
      RABA Research- Biden 50, Trump 46 (Off by 12%)

      Maine 2nd (Avg Biden+2.8%, Result Trump+7.9%)
      SurveyUSA/FairVote- Biden 48, Trump 45 (Off by 11%)
      Colby College- Biden 46, Trump 42 (Off by 12%)
      Pan Atlantic- Biden 47, Trump 43 (Off by 12%)
      Critical Insights- Trump 49, Biden 41 (Dead On)

      Michigan (Avg Biden+7.8%, Result Biden+2.8%)
      Mitchell Research- Biden 52, Trump 45 (Off by 4%)
      EPIC-MRA- Biden 48, Trump 41 (Off by 4%)
      Kiaer Research- Biden 54, Trump 41 (Off by 10%)
      Mitchell Research- Biden 52, Trump 42 (Off by 7%)
      Glengariff/Detroit News- Biden 49, Trump 42 (Off by 4%)
      EPIC-MRA- Biden 48, Trump 39 (Off by 6%)
      Mitchell Research- Biden 51, Trump 41 (Off by 7%)
      EPIC-MRA- Biden 48, Trump 39 (Off by 6%)
      Glengariff/Detroit News- Biden 48, Trump 39 (Off by 6%)

      Minnesota (Avg Biden+9.2%, Result Biden+7.1%)
      St. Cloud St- Biden 54, Trump 39 (Off by 8%)
      SurveyUSA/Local- Biden 47, Trump 42 (Off by 2%)
      SurveyUSA/KSTP- Biden 48, Trump 42 (Off by 1%)
      SurveyUSA/KAAL- Biden 47, Trump 40 (Dead On)

      Nevada (Avg Biden+5.3%, Result Biden+2.4%)
      UNLV- Biden 50, Trump 41 (Off by 7%)

      New Hampshire (Avg Biden+11.1%, Result Biden+7.3%)
      American Research Group- Biden 58, Trump 39 (Off by 12%)
      University of NH – Biden 53, Trump 45 (Off by <1%)
      Saint Anselm College- Biden 52, Trump 44 (Off by <1%)
      University of NH – Biden 55, Trump 43 (Off by 5%)
      Saint Anselm College- Biden 53, Trump 41 (Off by 5%)

      North Carolina (Avg Biden+1.8%, Result Trump+1.3%)
      East Carolina U- Biden 50, Trump 48 (Off by 3%)
      CardinalGPS- Trump 48, Biden 46 (Off by <1%)
      Harper/NCCivitas- Biden 47, Trump 46 (Off by 2%)
      SurveyUSA/WRAL- Biden 48, Trump 48 (Off by 1%)
      Meredith College- Biden 48, Trump 44 (Off by 5%)
      East Carolina U- Biden 51, Trump 47 (Off by 5%)
      SurveyUSA/WRAL- Biden 50, Trump 45 (Off by 6%)
      East Carolina U- Biden 50, Trump 47 (Off by 4%)

      Ohio (Avg Trump+0.8%, Result Trump+8.0%)
      Baldwin Wallace- Trump 49, Biden 47 (Off by 6%)

      Pennsylvania (Avg Biden+4.7%, Result Biden+1.2%)
      Muhlenberg College- Biden 49, Trump 44 (Off by 4%)
      Franklin & Marshall- Biden 50, Trump 44 (Off by 5%)
      Muhlenberg College- Biden 51, Trump 44 (Off by 6%)

      Texas (Avg Trump+1.1%, Result Trump+5.6%)
      UTTyler/DMN- Biden 48, Trump 45 (Off by 9%)
      University of Houston- Trump 50, Biden 45 (Off by <1%)
      Texas Tribune- Trump 50, Biden 45 (Off by <1%)

      Wisconsin (Avg Biden+8.4%, Result Biden+0.6%)
      UWMadison- Biden 53, Trump 44 (Off by 8%)
      Marquette Law School- Biden 48, Trump 43 (Off by 4%)
      Marquette Law School- Biden 47, Trump 42 (Off by 4%)

      ——–

      Alabama (No Polling Avg, Result Trump+25.4%)
      Auburn University- Trump 58, Biden 39 (Off by 6%)
      Auburn University- Trump 57, Biden 37 (Off by 5%)

      Alaska (No Polling Avg, Result Trump+10%)
      Alaska Survey Research- Trump 50, Biden 46 (Off by 6%)

      Arkansas (No Polling Avg, Result Trump+27.6%)
      U Arkansas- Trump 65, Biden 33 (Off by 5%)
      Hendrix College- Trump 58, Biden 34 (Off by 4%)

      California (Avg Biden+29.2%, Result Biden+29.2%)
      UC Berkeley- Biden 65, Trump 29 (Off by 7%)
      PPIC- Biden 58, Trump 32 (Off by 3%)

      Colorado (Avg Biden+12.5%, Result Biden+13.5%)
      Keating Research- Biden 53, Trump 41 (Off by 1%)
      RBI Strategies- Biden 55, Trump 38 (Off by 4%)
      Keating Research- Biden 54, Trump 39 (Off by 2%)
      SurveyUSA/9News- Biden 50, Trump 40 (Pff by 3%)

      Connecticut (No Polling Avg, Result Biden+20.0%)
      Sacred Heart- Biden 51, Trump 26 (Off by 5%)

      Hawaii (No Polling Avg, Result Biden+29.4%)
      MRG/HNN- Biden 61, Trump 28 (Off by 4%)

      Illinois (No Polling Avg, Result Biden+17.0%)
      Victory Research- Biden 54, Trump 38 (Off by 1%)

      Indiana (No Polling Avg, Result Trump+16.1%)
      SurveyUSA/Andrew Ellison- Trump 49, Biden 42 (Off by 9%)

      Kansas (Avg Trump+12.9%, Result Trump+15.1%)
      Fort Hays St- Trump 52, Biden 38 (Off by 1%)

      Kentucky (No Polling Avg, Result Trump+25.9%)
      Bluegrass Tech College- Trump 52, Biden 39 (Off by 13%)

      Louisiana (No Polling Avg, Result Trump+18.6%)
      University of New Orleans- Trump 59, Biden 36 (Off by 4%)

      Maine (Avg Biden+13.0%, Result Biden+8.7%)
      SurveyUSA/FairVote- Biden 53, Trump 40 (Off by 4%)
      Colby College- Biden 51, Trump 38 (Off by 4%)
      Pan Atlantic- Biden 50, Trump 40 (Off by 1%)
      Critical Insights- Biden 51, Trump 40 (Off by 2%)

      Maine 1st (Avg Biden+20.5%, Result Biden+23.2%)
      SurveyUSA/FairVote- Biden 59, Trump 40 (Off by 4%)
      Colby College- Biden 56, Trump 34 (Off by 1%)
      Pan Atlantic- Biden 54, Trump 37 (Off by 6%)
      Critical Insights- Biden 62, Trump 30 (Off by 9%)

      Maryland (No Polling Avg, Result Biden+33.4%)
      Gonzales Research- Biden 58, Trump 33 (Off by 8%)
      Goucher College- Biden 61, Trump 30 (Off by 2%)

      Massachusetts (No Polling Avg, Result Biden+33.5%)
      MassINC- Biden 62, Trump 28 (Off by <1%)

      Missouri (Avg Trump+8.0%, Result Trump+15.3%)
      Remington Research- Trump 50, Biden 45 (Off by 10%)
      Remington Research- Trump 51, Biden 45 (Off by 9%)
      Remington Research- Trump 51, Biden 46 (Off by 10%)

      Montana (Avg Trump+4.4%, Result Trump+16.3%)
      Montana St Billings- Trump 52, Biden 45 (Off by 9%)
      Stratgies 360/NBC MT- Trump 51, Biden 43 (Off by 8%)
      Montana St Bozeman- Trump 51, Biden 44 (Off by 9%)

      New Jersey (Avg Biden+20.4%, Result Biden+15.9%)
      Rutgers University- Biden 61, Trump 37 (Off by 8%)
      DKC Analytics- Biden 56, Trump 34 (Off by 6%)
      Stockton University- Biden 56, Trump 36 (Off by 4%)
      Farleigh Dickinson- Biden 53, Trump 38 (Off by <1%)

      New Mexico (No Polling Avg, Result Biden+10.8%)
      ABQ Journal- Biden 54, Trump 42 (Off by 1%)

      Oklahoma (No Polling Avg, Result Trump+33.1%)
      SoonerPoll- Trump 59, Biden 37 (Off by 11%)

      South Carolina (Avg Trump+7.1%, Result Trump+11.7%)
      Starboard Communications- Trump 51, Biden 44 (Off by 5%)

      South Dakota (No Polling Avg, Result Trump+26.2%)
      Nielson Brothers- Trump 55, Biden 40 (Off by 11%)

      Utah (No Polling Avg, Result Trump+20.5%)
      Y2 Analytics- Trump 51, Biden 44 (Off by 14%)
      Y2 Analytics- Trump 50, Biden 40 (Off by 11%)

      Virginia (Avg Biden+11.8%, Result Biden+10.1%)
      Roanoke College- Biden 53, Trump 42 (Off by 1%)
      Virginia Commonwealth U- Biden 51, Trump 39 (Off by 2%)
      Christopher Newport U- Biden 53, Trump 41 (Off by 2%)
      George Mason/WaPo- Biden 52, Trump 41 (Off by 1%)
      Roanoke College- Biden 53, Trump 38 (Off by 5%)

      Washington (No Polling Avg, Result Biden+19.4%)
      SurveyUSA/King TV- Biden 55, Trump 34 (Off by 2%)

      West Virginia (No Polling Avg, Result Trump+38.9%)
      Triton Polling and Research- Trump 58, Biden 38 (Off by 19%)
      WV Metro News/Research America- Trump 53, Biden 39 (Off by 25%)

      Wyoming (No Polling Avg, Result Trump+43.3%)
      University of Wyoming- Trump 59, Biden 31 (Off by 15%)

    21. Tgca says:

      Dos! Dos!

    22. Chicon says:

      Obviously, a 27 pound bird gives the chef plenty of time for in-depth political analysis.

    23. PresidentPaul! says:

      In the spirit of nancy pelosi, the Denver dem mayor caught running more covid scams

      https://www.zerohedge.com/political/i-humbly-ask-your-forgiveness-yet-another-democrat-leader-busted-breaking-his-own-covid

    24. PresidentPaul! says:

      Joe biden has holiday message for everyone!

      https://twitter.com/hedgeyedj/status/1332027007157350403?s=21

    25. Gordon Allen says:

      The filing in Georgia by Powell,apart from the Dominion allegations,again shows how perfidious the Roberts decision was pre election. Had he voted with the 4 conservatives there would have been a clear ruling on the primacy of the legislature in establishing election law, Covd or no Covd,which would have had a chilling effect on state court/ executive agencies changing procedures because of Covd. Oddly,the only state clearly different would be Nevada,where the governor got the legislature to substantially change election law. It now falls squarely on Barrett to be the 5th vote,as Roberts seems to becoming Justice Souter the second.

    26. lisab says:

      some schools will be asking children if any non-household members came to thanksgiving

      so those students can be quarantined at home for 7 days

    27. Tgca says:

      27 LisaB

      I also heard that as part of diversity inclusion training, students will also be asked if they chose white or dark turkey meat during Thanksgiving dinner.

      Those who chose white turkey meat will be assigned to additional diversity and inclusion training while those who chose dark turkey meat will be awarded with no homework assignments for 2 weeks.

    28. Cash Cow TM says:

      jason,

      thanks for the polling summary of each of the states and how much they were off by.

      Were the ALL off in Biden’s favor?

      Odd how the polls almost invariably touted Biden with bigger lead than the actual votes showed.
      ******************
      Any states Trump won that his margin of victory was LESS than that predicted by the polls?

      I’ll have to go back to check on that…

    29. jason says:

      Obviously, a 27 pound bird gives the chef plenty of time for in-depth political analysis.”

      We are down to maybe 18 lbs now.

      Ok, my wife was right, the turkey was way too big.

      I am thinking of sharing some of it with Tgca, the poor bastard only has tofu roast to eat.

    30. lisab says:

      so timmy …

      did grandma or grandpa come for thanksgiving?

      inform on your family or else!

    31. lisab says:

      Vermont Gov. Phil Scott said Tuesday that school officials will question returning students about whether they attended gatherings with people outside their household during Thanksgiving to determine if they need to quarantine over coronavirus concerns.

      “Unfortunately, we know some will still get together and schools have asked for help,” the Republican governor tweeted Tuesday. “[The Vermont Agency of Education] will direct schools to ask students or parents if they were part of multi-family gatherings and if the answer is yes, they’ll need to go remote for 14 days or 7 days and a test.”

    32. Country Dick Montana says:

      LisaB, what kind of government forces or encourages kids to snitch on their parents? Where have we seen this before. Scott is ostensibly a Republican just like I am ostensibly a brain surgeon.

    33. Gordon Allen says:

      Scott( Vt) is the kind of Republican Wissing and Robbie adore.

    34. lisab says:

      LisaB, what kind of government forces or encourages kids to snitch on their parents?
      —————————

      robbie’s kind.

      welcome to the rest of your lives ….

      remember when we had democracy?

    35. Bitterlaw says:

      HHR:

      2004 Democrats are finished as a national party.

      2009-2017 Democrat Obama serves 2 terms as President.

      2016 Hillary headed for victory.

      2017 Trump sworn in as President.

      2020 America is doomed.

      HHR – Always certain. Occasionally right.

    36. MichiganGuy says:

      My thoughts on the Supreme Court’s decision.
      .
      https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1332010621244747778?s=19
      .
      Yes!

    37. Big Joe says:

      I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving!

      BJ

    38. Big Joe says:

      #708, Dick- (from last thread https://davidwissing.com/?p=26175#comment-2197100)

      A few quick responses then I’d like to dive deeper into subjugation / secession.

      “BJ, this is a straw man.”
      Not a straw man, it was an analogy.

      “So the question remains, why vote Democrat. If is is simply that you chose it as your “Team” or it has always been your “Team” (like cheering for the Yankees) then fine.”
      We are a tribal society now. Are you seriously going to support any candidate with a (D) next to his/her name? Also, I’m glad you used the Yankees analogy. Any Yankee fan should be voting D. The curse of the Republican president is real. You may take this as a facetious statement, but the curse is real.

      “Also my theorectical interest in flower arrangement would only affect me. Your interest in politics affects everyone.”
      Dang, my interest in politics affects everyone? You’re gonna give me a God complex 😀

      “With regard to subjugation, I will let your interest in history take you where that will go. F.A. Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom” does a very good job of showing how that works. It won him a Nobel Prize, so he is probably is better equipped to answer that question. But the subjugation happens pretty much the same way every time. In the US it will start with de facto gun confiscation (allowing lawsuits against gun manufacturers, limiting and taxing ammunition. registration and limitation of ownership of guns, eventual confiscation.) That disarms the populace, not that they had much of a chance against the military anyway. We also now have in the country something the Hayek could not imagine and that is an efficient surveillance state, including corporations. Imagine the treasure trove of information just on the HHR server. Easy to track down people with the wrong thinking.”

      No time to read Hayek. Would you take me down the theoretical path that ends with gun confiscation? It should be somewhat realistic please.

      “Secession is not going to happen, as I have stated numerous times to the internet warriors here. Once the security forces are co-opted and there is no way to defend onself, some will lay down, others will be punished with jail, and some the most dangerous and non-compliant will be disappeared and killed. It happens and it has always happened throughout history. Why would the people that want power in this country be any different?

      That is your answer. Dystopian? Yes. But history repeats itself constantly. And it generally begins with good intentions.”

      Just so I’m clear, you’re saying that the Democrats will use the military on its citizens? Commander in Chief Biden will give the order, generals will agree, military will carry it out?

      “One last thing. It is Biden that is out there talking about healing and uniting the country. Is he lying to us or is it just politics as usual.”

      Of course he wants to heal and unite. Any leader would. It won’t happen though. What incentive does the opposition party have to work with the party in power? Any progress will only help the party in power. It’s why George Washington warned against political parties. It only ensures perpetual division and an endless cold civil war.

      I happen to think that secession is going to become a hot topic. I think both sides are ready to go their separate ways this time. There was reference to Thomas Payne in the previous thread. Prior to Common Sense, the idea of American independence was not mainstream. Payne made it go mainstream with Common Sense. Someone in Mississippi already called for the state to secede. It’s only a matter of time before we hear similar calls from higher profile people. That’s my opinion on where the current division could take us.

      BJ

    39. Phil says:

      Separating into two countries would be the ideal. The left wants the nation to be California. They won’t stop until it happens. We can’t and won’t accept that. The conflict and disunity will continue to escalate. Think it’s bad now?

      Secession is the ideal answer. Unfortunately, it’s geographically impossible. There is no geographic demarcation. Both sides are marbled in.

    40. Bitterlaw says:

      Secession? As my grandfather would say, “Jesus, Mary and Joseph.” Some of you are as whacked out as the libs in 2016. Jason can GFH with his false equivalencies bs. Phil and CDM and others are as crazy as Alyssa Milano was about Trump.

    41. Phil says:

      I said it was the ideal solution. Unfortunately it is impossible for the reason I cited. Geography won’t allow it so it’s academic.

    42. lisab says:

      biden is going to open the borders on day 1

      he has promised this

      and, he has the power

      if they are declared refugees, they automatically qualify for welfare and housing BEFORE veterans

      and he can park them in texas

    43. Country Dick Montana says:

      BJ

      “We are a tribal society now. Are you seriously going to support any candidate with a (D) next to his/her name?” – I have voted DEM in the past and if I could find a politician who had the same policy beliefs as me I would vote for them regardless of the letter after their name.

      But once again you refuse to answer a straight up question. Why do you Big Joe vote DEM? Why is that your tribe?

      “Dang, my interest in politics affects everyone?

      In your words an analogy. The problem is that their are enough people that share whatever views you have and vote the same way. You attempt to use ridicule as a means to avoid answering a straight up question. And that doesn’t bother me as it is the first reaction of one who doesn’t want to answer. Why are you afraid of that?

      “No time to read Hayek” – Pity, I would expect you to be more intellectually curious. Hayek does not end with gun confiscation, he ends with Tyranny. And lays out exactly how it has happened in the past. One has to remember he lived under both Communist Russia and Nazi Germany. He wrote it in 1944 Look Magazine published a simple cartoon version in 1945 so this is the essence. Try to forget the dated drawings and really look at what each panel is saying. I am sure that you can find correlations versus what is happening today.

      https://mises.org/files/road-serfdom-cartoonspdf

      “Just so I’m clear, you’re saying that the Democrats will use the military on its citizens?”

      723, 725 on the previous thread answers this question

      Country Dick Montana says:
      November 26, 2020 at 8:52 am

      “Because America has always been different!”

      Would love to disagree (sic agree) with you, but even if America is different, people who desire power are not. Not my opinion, just History talking again.

      BTW, total subjugation won’t happen overnight, as that would lead to massive civil disobedience, possibly with some member of the security forces joining in. No, it will happen a little bit at a time, just like the indoctrination of our younger citizens has taken 50 years.

      Country Dick Montana says:
      November 26, 2020 at 9:01 am

      ” Enough of this violent subjugation by Democrats b.s.”

      Initially, subjugation will not be violent. It will be a case of simply making laws, and small ones at that that makes everyone a criminal (I use a potential mask mandate as an example.)

      “Of course he wants to heal and unite. Any leader would. It won’t happen though. ” – That may be one of the first honest things that you have said, especially in light of some of your previous comments about wanting “good government” and bipartisanship. So Biden is lying.

      “I happen to think that secession is going to become a hot topic. I think both sides are ready to go their separate ways this time.” – It would probably be best for everyone, as long as there could be some compact that all sides agree to protect one another from outside aggression. But since we are split up basically Urban vs Non-Urban it would be difficult (I believe that Bitterlaw has already alluded to this.). And once again that pesky History thing shows that nearly all attempts at secession are violent.

      Now a better non-violent solution is already available. It is called Federalism. Make DC about 1/10 the size that it is now concentrating on protection from outside aggression, interstate commerce, protecting INDIVIDUAL civil rights (including those in all of the Bill of Rights)and go back to allowing the 10th Amendment to be supreme. Give the States back their power and let people vote with their feet as to where they want to live and under whatever system. That won’t happen as there are way too many people and political parties with a vested interest in a large, intrusive Federal Government.

      So Joe, I used to vote GOP because it came closest to my values: Freedom, industriousness, equal opportunity (NOT equal outcome), strong national defense, protection of property rights and somewhere way back a smaller less regulatory Federal Government. I voted for Trump not because I particularly liked him, but because he was a huge middle finger to DC and their allies in the Press and coastal cities.

      So Big Joe, one more time. You are a registered DEM and you vote that way. You apparently work hard to get your tribe elected. Why is that? What’s in it for Big Joe?

    44. Country Dick Montana says:

      “Phil and CDM and others are as crazy as Alyssa Milano was about Trump.”

      Try again Bitter. we are not crazy, we simply see where it eventually heads. I don’t think either Phil nor I think secession is realistic.

    45. Chicon says:

      47 – you see one path where you think it eventually heads. There are almost infinite other paths as well. I see the same path as you, but I have nowhere near the certainty about predicting the outcome of a series of events with almost limitless variables.

      If you’re that good at predicting future events, can you give me the scores of this Sunday’s football games?

    46. Country Dick Montana says:

      Chicon, no one is Clairvoyant. There are limitless possibilities as you state. Remember that “eventually” can be a very long time. Many of our posters point to History, I am just doing the same

    47. Bitterlaw says:

      There is a problem with pointing to History. It can only show with certainty what did happen. It can not show with certainty what will happen.

      In 1774, the expectation based on History was that the Sons of Liberty would either STFU or hang.

      In 200, the expectation was that Rome would continue to rule the world.

      4 billion years ago, Walt expected to be alone.

    48. Country Dick Montana says:

      “There is a problem with pointing to History. It can only show with certainty what did happen. It can not show with certainty what will happen.”

      There are many here that think the pendulum will swing back and that the GOP will make huge gains in 2022. That is based on History (which is not a certainty) or Hope (which is not a strategy.)

      What strategy do you suggest that will stop the slow leftward march of this country? DEM, GOP it doesn’t matter. The destination is probably the same. The speed at which we get there just depends on who is in power.

    49. Tgca says:

      OMG! My Thanksgiving gathering was a smashing success. Dozens of folks showed up and brought others too when they heard about the feast I planned.

      Ran out of the tofu roast and everything else too as people flocked to the self-serving table for numerous helpings so no left overs here.

      It’s all over local social media with raves and kudos and now others are asking for my recipes and hoping to be invited for next year. People had no idea how tasty and creative my vegetarian dishes could be. Some asking if I can do a repeat for Christmas. We’ll see. It’s a bit of work for me to do all that preparation for dozens of folks.

      I am very humbled by all the culinary praise I woke up to this AM.

    50. Tgca says:

      In the meantime, I heard from Mrs Jadon that their turkey dinner was a bust. The turkey was dry and they had so many left overs so she was not sure folks really enjoyed the evening.

      But don’t fret I told her, I shall provide her with my vegetarian recipes so she she can plan a fabulous tofu roast and vegetarian accompaniment dinner next year which will bound to be a success.

      That made her feel better.

    51. jason says:

      Tgca is probably cleaning up all the vomit that resulted when the poor bastards realized they were eating roast tofu instead of turkey.

      Should have had big warning signs.

    52. Tgca says:

      Well, it’s Black Friday…are we allowed to say that or is that racist…and I’m off to shop. Walmart is having some big sales for us deplorables.

      I ran out of tofu so I better stack up real quick. God knows what will be left on the shelves when I get there.

    53. jason says:

      Jason can GFH with his false equivalencies bs.”

      I think it is a very positive sign Bitter is aware of his false equivalencies before I even point them out.

      It’s the kind of self awareness that sets you free.

    54. jason says:

      I agree that secession would be the only solution IF part of the US didn’t want to live under socialism, but it is purely hypothetical.

      In my view, it is not feasible and we will all be living under socialism, very soon if the GOP loses the GA runoffs, later if they win.

    55. Bitterlaw says:

      No. It is just a recognition that when you have no substantive response you just type “ false equivalency.”

    56. Bitterlaw says:

      This was a very close election that required fraud to steal it. Somehow, in jason’s mind that means that most Americans wake up trying to decide if they would rather read Das Kapital or Mao’s little red book. If America was so far left, why would fraud be necessary to win?

    57. jason says:

      So Joe, I used to vote GOP because it came closest to my values: Freedom, industriousness, equal opportunity (NOT equal outcome), strong national defense, protection of property rights and somewhere way back a smaller less regulatory Federal Government.”

      Me too. Add on free trade, free markets, free enterprise, personal responsibility.

      The GOP represents none of that now. And of course one reason is that most voters are not interested in those values. That is why Bitter is wrong that this is just one more election and that things will swing back blah blah blah.

      This election is a consolidation of the trend brought by decades of far left wing educational system and media influence and the fact most people WANT the government to decide for them on health care….they WANT more government intrusion into every facet of their lives. They have been convinced to trade in individual liberties for a highly regulated society that doles out benefits they believe are essential to their well being.

    58. SoHope says:

      Secession is crazy talk…we just need a SCOTUS serious about the 10th Ammendment (which we have). People will move to the state and county of their choice and be governed accordingly. Poorly managed states will be failed experiments and people vote with their feet. NJ, IL, CA, ect is seeing what happens when you govern counter to the interests of the taxpayers.

    59. jaichind says:

      61. Agreed. That is why it is critical GOP win the GA Senate runoffs so the Dems cannot reverse the Trump tax cut and the SALT deduction reform. The SALT deduction reform was critical to stop the use of federal tax dollars to subsidies the clearly failing welfare state policies of metropole Blue states (CA NJ IL and at least NYC part of NY)

    60. Bitterlaw says:

      I think all Americans want health care. Most liked the old system. People who did not have insurance did not like the old system. The battle is over HOW to get health care and not WHY people need it.

    61. jason says:

      There are many here that think the pendulum will swing back and that the GOP will make huge gains in 2022. That is based on History (which is not a certainty) or Hope (which is not a strategy.)

      What strategy do you suggest that will stop the slow leftward march of this country?”

      There is no strategy, because unless you can reverse the kind of brainwashing the educational system and the media, and now big tech, are instilling, there is no way to reverse the trend.

      2022? Even if the GOP makes big gains, it will be irrelevant to this trend, merely a hiccup. Did he vaunted win GOP win of 2014 keep the US from electing a Communist as VP in 2020, along with the most far left agenda in History?

      I voted for the GOP in 2014 and was elated like everyone else when they scored massive gains. I won’t be voting for the GOP in 2022 because CDM is right, it will change nothing in the long term.

      Bitter can pretend all he wants that people predicted doom in the past so this too will pass, but that is sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the changes in ideology that we have seen over the last decade and that will continue too accelerate.

    62. jason says:

      I think all Americans want health care.”

      Zzzzzzz….

      Most now want socialized medicine. Most now approve of Obamacare.

      Biden ran on implementing the public option, just another vehicle to end private health insurance.

    63. jason says:

      The turkey was dry and they had so many left overs so she was not sure folks really enjoyed the evening.”

      The turkey was fabulous, not dry at all. Moist and tender and succulent.

      Yes, there were too many leftovers because 8 people can’t eat a 27 lb turkey.

      But I already had 2 huge turkey bacon stuffing sandwiches for breakfast to help out.

    64. Tgca says:

      Bitter does not get that slowly communities are indoctrinating folks into submission through media, education, peer pressure, and fear and his friends and neighbors are just fine with that. Just look back 15 years on the drastic changes in our society. It’s undeniable there is a concerted effort to change America to the failed social policies of other once great countries so a select few can benefit, mainly those in power.

      The country is moving away from the center if we don’t find a way to counter effect it. Corporate America is now pushing it in the workplace too. You can’t celebrate Columbus Day but MLK day is sacrosanct. Every traditional holiday is now under attack. Why must some be idolized and others reviled? The short answer is about control and centralizing power.

      Bitter lives in an area where this behavior is most prominent and soon he and his family will also be drinking the Kool-aid as it gets worse for them and they are not allowed to have a differing viewpoint or be honest with their neighbors and friends without being shunned.

      If Bitter wants to be like the French in WWII and surrender, that is fine but some of us prefer to fight for freedoms for ALL, regardless of race, gender, or religion and accept though that we don’t have a perfect integrated society, it should not rationalized the way his neighbors and those in the circles he runs in see it.

      I see the problem with America as the San Francisco’s, Phillys, NYs, and Chicago’s and their closely related suburbs. I have no desire to live in those cities or even visit at this point. In fact, I think if those cities were all demolished and built back up from scratch, society would be better served because they are just incubators for poverty and controlling ignorant masses too fearful to think for themselves.

    65. Tgca says:

      66

      8 people can’t eat a turkey or 8 people don’t want to eat a DRY turkey? There’s a difference!

    66. MichiganGuy says:

      BREAKING: Trump Takes Legal Victory Over Biden To Win Election!
      .
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7-7dRjAioc&feature=share

    67. Tgca says:

      61. SoHope

      The problem with folks escaping NJ, CA, IL and other lefty states is that many take their lefty politics with them to infect their new domiciled states as they reap the benefits of those those new states.

      AZ and CO are two perfect examples where folks have fled to only settle and build new lefty communities.

      What they don’t realize is the change they bring to the new states is really what they were running away from in the old states. They don’t realize this due to years of indoctrination.

    68. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca – Have you read and understood a single post I made since the election? I am one of the few posters who refuses to surrender. Jason, Phil, and CDM have all checked out of the fight.

    69. Bitterlaw says:

      I really don’t run in any circles. My life is work (from home). Coach 2-3 games on the weekends. Spend time with my wife and daughter (and occasionally my son but he lives in Philadelphia now). Feed my cat. Often. Tonight, I will watch The Mandalorian with my daughter. We are Star Wars fans.

      No cocktail parties. No country clubs. Maybe 1-2 times a year, see a few friends. That is about it.

    70. jason says:

      Bitter does not get that slowly communities are indoctrinating folks into submission through media, education, peer pressure, and fear and his friends and neighbors are just fine with that. Just look back 15 years on the drastic changes in our society. It’s undeniable there is a concerted effort to change America to the failed social policies of other once great countries so a select few can benefit, mainly those in power.”

      The country is moving away from the center if we don’t find a way to counter effect it. Corporate America is now pushing it in the workplace too. You can’t celebrate Columbus Day but MLK day is sacrosanct. Every traditional holiday is now under attack. Why must some be idolized and others reviled? The short answer is about control and centralizing power’

      If Bitter really doesn’t see this he needs to get out more, especially if he wants to run for office. Too insulated an existence, too much bias reinforcement.

    71. jason says:

      8 people can’t eat a turkey or 8 people don’t want to eat a DRY turkey? There’s a difference!”

      The poor bastard that ate tofu roast for Thanksgiving is giving me pointers on cooking a turkey?

      That is like Bitter trying to teach me the best way to clean my AR15.

    72. Bitterlaw says:

      I am too insulated? Jason lives in York County, PA but I am too insulated.

    73. Country Dick Montana says:

      ” Jason, Phil, and CDM have all checked out of the fight.”

      Perhaps we are fighting on a whole different front. As there isn’t a whole lot of difference between the establishment GOP and the DEMS, why on earth would we support the GOP? Think about it.

      The easiest way to defeat creeping socialism is to have it imposed quickly. If people accept it, then we are on the wrong side of history and we get ours, until we run out of other people’s money. If not, THEN and ONLY THEN,will they find it worth fighting for.

      You expect to lose your election so in a manner you have surrendered. What good is that as it only adds legitimacy to the process? Why do you want to fight with a flintlock and a knife, when the other side has WMD’s?

    74. jason says:

      Bunu hardest hit..

      “Iran’s nuclear program chief Mohsen Fakhrizadeh assassinated near Tehran
      Iran’s revolutionary guards commander wrote on Twitter that Iran will avenge the killing of scientists as it has in the past.

      Fakhrizadeh was a senior Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) officer and headed Iran’s nuclear weapons project. He was a professor of physics at the Imam Hussein University in Tehran and was former head of Iran’s Physics Research Center (PHRC).”

    75. jason says:

      I am too insulated? Jason lives in York County, PA but I am too insulated.”

      Yep, I get around a lot more than you.

      You are actually proud you don’t go anywhere.

      There is a whole world out there beyond liberal suburbia.

    76. jason says:

      ” Jason, Phil, and CDM have all checked out of the fight.”

      Sorry, but if you are an example of a “fighter”, then I don’t think the fight is going anywhere.

    77. Tgca says:

      Ummm…Bitter

      According to election results, Biden beat Trump in the 60% range in most Philly suburbs which is pretty equivalent to where the much smaller York County voted for Trump over Biden so it’s not insulated as you think. In Philly county, Trump got about 17% of the vote. Now that’s insulated!!!

    78. jason says:

      Oh I forgot. The suburbs are only trending liberal because of Trump. They are all going big for Nikki Haley in 2024, and the GOP will be able to get rid of the ignorant rural, exurban, blue collar and working class rabble that the suburban elites despise so much.

    79. jason says:

      Jason lives in York County, PA but I am too insulated.”

      Yeah, here in York Co. we are not nearly as sophisticated as those superior Radnor voters.

      Of course, Bitter is supposedly against “the civil war in the GOP”, he just despises the people that live 100 miles to the west.

      Next he will tell us he is a uniter, not a divider.

    80. mnw says:

      Doom:

      Politico: “Trump’s Conspiracies Have MAGA World Talking Georgia Boycott”

      Only Lin Wood is willing to be quoted by name, apparently.

      Anonymous Trump supporters are quoted saying, “Loeffler & Perdue are both insufficiently pro-Trump & may be complicit in the GA vote fraud.”

      Reminds me of the 2018 MT Libertarian Party Senate nominee who said he was running because, “Trump is weak on the Second Amendment.”

      As with the MT Senate election (Tester won reelection narrowly; without the Libertarian in the race it would’ve been tied, imo, altho Wes disagrees), I’m sure the DEMs will be EAGER to throw the GA Trump boycotters some money & lots of love!

    81. Wes says:

      The reason we disagree on that race, Mnw, is that Rosendale started off the election with a show of weakness by running away from a scheduled debate with Tester and never used the mountains of ammunition Tester provided him via a Warren-style voting record and endorsements by rabid leftist anti-Trumpers such as Moveon.org and Pearl Jam to make a case for himself.

      Surely the Libertarian was no help, but Tester won an absolute majority of the vote. That was because Rosendale hurt himself at the beginning of the race and ran an at-best mediocre campaign against a man willing to pull out all the stops to win.

      Fortunately Rosendale faced a weaker opponent this year in his House bid and won, but nothing at all indicates Rosendale was in any way up to a challenge to Tester.

      Lest you mention money, Steve Bullock outspent Steve Daines by $19 million this year ($82 million to $63 million). Daines defeated Bullock by a decisive 10-point margin.

    82. mnw says:

      Yes…” lest I mention money”: Rosendale was never perceived by national GOP groups as being sufficiently close to Tester to deserve major FR help. Without that lunatic Libertarian, the race would’ve been appeared much closer (as in fact it proved to BE), & Tester’s huge FR advantage would’ve been less evident.

      “Surely the Libertarian was no help”? Yuh think? Tester won his “absolute majority” by HOW much , Wes? .30% appx? 3/10 of 1% without the DEM-funded Libertarian? I guess the DEMs were stoopid to fund the Libertarian, & circulate his nominating petitions for him, then.

      This election still makes me so angry I can hardly type. I hate Libertarians worse than the Chinese communists.

    83. Gordon Allen says:

      Re lefties moving to conservative states to avoid the consequences of liberalism, only to vote liberal. We have that here in SE Florida ( Broward,Palm Beach Counties).
      Fortunately,we have even more conservatives fleeing the mid west.
      As to the ( non) intelligence of it all, remember what you call people who try the same thing over and over expecting a different ( better) result: Insane

    84. Wes says:

      Once again, Mnw, Rosendale just wasn’t a good candidate. He started from a position of weakness and never recovered. The Montana Supreme Court intentionally tried to help Steve Bullock win by throwing the Green candidate off the ballot. It did not good for them precisely because Steve Daines didn’t look like a weak candidate and made sure to highlight just how bad a fit Bullock–who in both 2012 and 2016 had run ahead of where Tester had in 2006 and 2012 and would in 2018–was for Montana.

      Rosendale knew what he was up against and wasn’t up to the task. I’m not going to make excuses for a man who introduced himself to the general electorate by looking like a coward.

      Had Tester run below 50% against Tester, I’d give your argument more credence. Rosendale couldn’t even achieve that though, so I go with Occam’s Razor: mediocre candidate who never found his footing in a winnable race.

    85. Wes says:

      Ugh. Against Rosendale. Tester wasn’t running against himself obviously.

    86. Wes says:

      Here in NC this year, we had a Libertarian and a Constitution Party candidate on the ballot in the Senate race. Thom Tillis won.

      In SC, Jaime Harrison spent millions hyping the Libertarian against Lindsey Graham. Graham won by 10 points.

      The Libertarians can and do hurt Republicans in some instances, but a good Republican can overcome that deficit. Rosendale wasn’t a good candidate against Tester and lost.

      I like it no more than you. I just refuse to make excuses for Rosendale.

    87. jason says:

      Rosendale did have a solid win for the House seat, won by 13, slightly better than he did in 2018 against the same candidate.

    88. NYCmike says:

      Maybe Rosendale should stay in the House?

      Just sayin’ is all.

    89. jason says:

      Scratch that.

      He did win by 13 in 2020, the rest is wrong.

    90. Wes says:

      We can also look at a contemporary race in a neighboring state to Montana.

      In North Dakota in 2018, Kevin Cramer was running against Heidi Heitkamp. Heitkamp had three statewide victories under her belt dating back to 1992, all giving her majorities of the vote. Her one loss had come in 2000 against John Hoeven after she suspended her campaign briefly for treatment for bre ast cancer.

      In 2012, Heitkamp won with over 50% of the vote, running 11 points ahead of Obama. That same year, Tester, running as an incumbent, won with 48% of the vote, running 5% ahead of Obama.

      Heitkamp outspent Cramer $25 million to $5 million. Cramer beat her by almost 11%. Tester outspent Rosendale $19 million to $4 million and won by 3%.

      Candidates matter. Rosendale was in no way a good candidate.

    91. Wes says:

      I agree, Mikey.

    92. NYCmike says:

      https://news.yahoo.com/midnight-ruling-exposes-rifts-supreme-130420277.html

      -Chief Justice Roberts doesn’t seem too worried about the perception of the court as being overtly political……..

    93. NYCmike says:

      I also “love” how the msm writes it up:

      “It was one of six opinions the court issued Wednesday, spanning 33 pages and opening a window on a court in turmoil.”

      5-4 ruling in September = not a big deal….

      5-4 ruling with ACB on court = TURMOIL!!

      Robbie couldn’t have written that article better himself!

    94. Wes says:

      I alluded to Rosendale’s House victory upthread, Jason. He was running against a lesser candidate than Tester. His campaign skills may have improved in the two-year interval since his loss to Tester.

      Regardless, for the race he was in in 2018, Rosendale wasn’t a good candidate. The results clearly indicate that.

    95. NYCmike says:

      Oh, and to “CG”, MD, Author Mendez – any cheers from you a-holes for religious freedom from the Trump justices??

    96. NYCmike says:

      Yooo

    97. jason says:

      I think Rosendale could have lost both because of the Libertarian and because he ran a poor campaign.

      Both can be true.

    98. Wes says:

      I’d agree, Jason, except Tester won with over 50%. At best, the Libertarian was a marginal factor who didn’t influence the outcome.

    99. NYCmike says:

      Also, I am seeing Gorsuch as the most fervent opponent of federal power, so far, out of the 3 justices picked by Trump. Isn’t Gorsuch the one who cited a treaty from like 1860 to let off a person affiliated with an Indian tribe in Oklahoma?

    100. Big Joe says:

      Dick-

      “So Big Joe, one more time. You are a registered DEM and you vote that way. You apparently work hard to get your tribe elected. Why is that? What’s in it for Big Joe?”

      Posts are getting long and tough to follow. I can’t respond to everything, so let me just say this in response to the quoted excerpt above. I don’t work hard to get my tribe elected. I’ve made one political donation in my life (’08 to Obama to get a magnet). Never volunteered, and don’t plan to. I put my family first. No politician, celebrity, or super athlete is going to help me when my kid wakes up in the middle of the night sick. They’re not going to help me take care of my aging parents or when my wife breaks down along I-75.

      We have binary choices now. You’re either with one tribe or the other. Just because I pick a certain tribe doesn’t mean that I automatically approve of and become excited by 100% of that tribe’s shenanigans. I’m sure your tribe holds positions that make you uncomfortable. I could seize on that and go A-HA and than post for months about it, or I could just let it go. I choose the latter, you chose the former.

      “Of course he wants to heal and unite. Any leader would. It won’t happen though. ” – That may be one of the first honest things that you have said, especially in light of some of your previous comments about wanting “good government” and bipartisanship. So Biden is lying.

      No Biden is not lying. I think he genuinely wants to heal and unite like any other president would. It takes two to tango though. Are Mitch and the GOP party also wanting to work together. Nope. And yes, before you get excited, it was the same deal with Trump and the Democrats. And will be the same when the next president is elected, and then next, and the next.

      BJ

    101. Big Joe says:

      Anyway Dick, where do we go from here.

      I think we are hopelessly divided. As long as power keeps shifting between the parties every 4-8 years, I suppose we can keep kicking this can down the road. Half the country will be miserable and half will happy. But if one party starts winning consistently, then we’ll have a problem. Secession calls will go mainstream. Perhaps it starts with individual states calling for secession (like the Mississippi guy) and this time they’ll be let go one by one.

      Perhaps a Constitutional Convention will be called, the US Constitution will be dissolved and we’ll have 50 independent states. I don’t know.

      Maybe a line is drawn somewhere, followed by a India-Pakistan style mass migration where people migrate to their country of choice.

      I concede this is crazy talk, but its not as crazy as the scenario where the US military turns on its people and presumably kills millions of its own citizens. That is much crazier crazy talk, with all due respect.

      BJ

    102. Country Dick Montana says:

      BJ

      I have stated where I stand and even why the GOP doesn’t share those values, at least not it’s politicians. You state that we have a binary choice and for right now that is true.

      So one more time. What do you stand for and why do the Democrats get your vote.

    103. NYCmike says:

      “We have binary choices now. You’re either with one tribe or the other. Just because I pick a certain tribe doesn’t mean that I automatically approve of and become excited by 100% of that tribe’s shenanigans.”

      -I may have missed it, but have you stated the policy issues you do agree with and are why you support the Democratic Party?

      Strict lockdowns without scientific proof to rely on?

      57 genders?

      Support of the 1619 Project to teach schoolchildren?

      Support of the Iran deal if Biden gets back in, thereby ensuring that the agreements signed this year by Arab countries with Israel are NOT supported by our State Department?

      Increase of the corporate tax?

      Adding back on of restrictive rules and regulations which hamper commerce, especially for small businesses?

    104. Country Dick Montana says:

      The US military will not turn on its people, not in the near future anyway. As I have stated subjugation will happen in smaller steps. Other high civilized countries have had it happen, why would we be any different.

      Secession will not happen. Ever.

    105. Big Joe says:

      #109, Dick-

      “The US military will not turn on its people, not in the near future anyway. As I have stated subjugation will happen in smaller steps.”

      Lay out a timeline for me. It took 85 years from Independence to the War of the Rebellion (sorry Southerners). Are we talking 85 years for your scenario to play out?

      “No time to read Hayek” – Pity, I would expect you to be more intellectually curious.

      I am intellectually curious. That’s why I’m asking you. I have a to-do list a mile long and years old. I can’t put Hayek at the top of that list. Mrs. BJ would be very unhappy if I did that. I hope you understand.

      BJ

    106. mnw says:

      108 Good news (imo), Part II

      “Trump Will Head tp Georgia Next Saturday For Rally in Support of Loeffler & Perdue”

    107. mnw says:

      The Dec. 5th rally in GA will NOT be at a stadium venue, because of COVID.

      Btw, anybody believe for one second that all of the HUNDREDS of “pro-Trump posters” calling for GOP voters to boycott the special election are… actual Trump voters?

      I guess they they DO think we’re all that stupid!

    108. Paul says:

      CDM: “So one more time. What do you stand for and why do the Democrats get your vote.”

      I realize that most everyone on here are strongly partisan. Whenever, I have attempted to answer reasonably, I am faced with ridicule. So, I have stopped bothering and mostly swear at everyone on here.

      But, in the real world, there isn’t a huge difference between the 80 million who voted for Biden and the 73 or so million that voted for Trump. My community, family and church are aligned with the 80 million. I even have four members of my family who are missionaries who voted for Biden.

      Here are some reasons that I like Biden for you to mock:

      1. Environmental policies. I am a naturalist and I prefer stuff not dumped into our streams. Biden will restore the “Clean Water Act” to where it was before Trump.

      2. Energy policy. I prefer a moderate move away from fossil fuels toward clean energy.

      3. Border wall. I am against the destruction of large areas of lands along our southern border for a useless wall. I prefer other options that involve more technological surveillance.

      4. Healthcare. I have owned my own business since 1999. I have had to purchase my own insurance. Before Obamacare, my family was denied insurance because pre-existing conditions. I now have affordable insurance that I like. I believe we need to make current system better, not destroy it.

      5. DACA and immigration: I support allowing dreamers to stay in the US. I support allowing those who have served in our military to be able to remain in us. I also support our nation being a safe refuge for those fleeing religious and political persecution around the world.

    109. Gordon Allen says:

      The reason Hitler created the SS was in support of his dictum that the Army could never be ordered to fire on its own people ( because it wouldn’t) Ditto for Stalin and the NKVD,aka the KGB. They weren’t stupid. This is silly

    110. NYCmike says:

      #1 – Hilarious. ALL additions to Nixon’s original EPA/clean air act is ONLY about more power for government over individual property rights. When standing water totally confined to 1 property can fall under federal jurisdiction, something is out of whack……makes sense Paul would agree with it.

      #2 – “moderate move away” = using the EPA to deny all permits to drill on federal land

      #3 – you prefer no borders.

    111. Big Joe says:

      #107, Mike-

      “Strict lockdowns without scientific proof to rely on?” Has Joe Biden proposed strict lockdowns? From what I recall, he said that we have a patriotic duty to wear masks. But honestly, I haven’t followed closely enough because I don’t see lockdowns coming. It would be a state decision anyway.

      “57 genders?” I don’t believe there are 57 genders.

      “Support of the 1619 Project to teach schoolchildren?” Haven’t followed this closely but as a history buff, I like to look at history from different perspectives. As they say, the winners get to write history. That’s fine with me. But I do like to look at things from all angles.

      “Support of the Iran deal if Biden gets back in, thereby ensuring that the agreements signed this year by Arab countries with Israel are NOT supported by our State Department?” Another complicated issue. I don’t want an nuclear Iran. How do we get their? tough call and no perfect solution.

      “Increase of the corporate tax?” Overall, I am ok with paying more taxes if the tax revenue is used wisely. That doesn’t mean every tax increase is wise and especially now that we’re trying to claw out of a recession. I doubt we see any tax increase anytime soon. There will likely be a stimulus to boost the economy. Why turnaround and tax that stimulus? Doesn’t make economic sense to do that.

      “Adding back on of restrictive rules and regulations which hamper commerce, especially for small businesses?” Again, I don’t see a problem with reasonable regulation as long as it’s truly reasonable. I like knowing that my big macs are reasonably safe. I understand the pressures that could put on small business.

      So basically, I think we can agree that we live in a very complicated society. There are no perfect solutions. Every proposal will have pros and cons. I don’t think that makes either side evil or un-American, though. Each side has their priorities and when in power, will work to advance those priorities. The side negatively affected will be upset and it will get worse and worse until we get to where we are today.

      BJ

    112. Robbie says:

      Gordon Allen says:
      November 26, 2020 at 5:20 pm
      Scott( Vt) is the kind of Republican Wissing and Robbie adore.

      – I’m very flattered you were posting about me on Thanksgiving. It makes me smile.

      As for Scott, he’s the kind of Republican who can win in an extremely liberal state. So therefore, I do like him.

    113. Big Joe says:

      Dang

      “How do we get their?” should be “How do we get there?”

      BJ

    114. Robbie says:

      Wes says:
      November 27, 2020 at 12:34 pm
      This is good, if anecdotal, news from GA:

      https://www.newsweek.com/gop-georgia-senate-race-trump-supporters-boycott-bookmakers-1550765?amp=1

      – I’m not much for the betting markets, but I read applications for ballot requests from black voters on election day was 31%. For the runoff, it’s 28%. That’s good news for Perdue and Loeffler.

    115. jason says:

      As for Scott, he’s the kind of Republican who can win in an extremely liberal state. So therefore, I do like him.”

      Great tradeoff!

      Robbie likes Rs that can’t elections. That why he would never vote for any R actually on the ballot.

    116. NYCmike says:

      Big Joe,

      I do agree we live in a complicated society.

      Which is the main reason why one party consistently wanting 1 solution to come from the federal government makes me think the other party is the better option.

      Also, in regards to looking at things from all angles, I’ll keep on the lookout for when you call out Big Tech and the mainstream media either censoring news and/or refusing to even cover certain stories.

    117. Robbie says:

      The Associated Press
      @AP
      Republicans have picked up their third seat in the U.S. House in California. David Valadao reclaimed the U.S. House seat he lost two years ago, defeating Democratic Rep. TJ Cox. https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-california-house-elections-david-valadao-e912d4a58cce739925921fd2ca28d7cc

    118. Big Joe says:

      NYC-

      I don’t disagree that a one-size-fits-all solution can be problematic. Some issues are better left to be decided at the state or local level. No disagreement there.

      As for Big Tech, all I can tell you is that Twitter, Google, etc are companies with terms and conditions for usage. There’s always room for competing companies to arise and take market share. The free market system should be able to sort this out.

      I stopped watching news a long time ago. We no longer have new outlets, just mouthpieces for their respective agendas and audiences. If a news outlet decided to call it down the middle, it would inevitably have to report negative news on each side resulting in both sides cancelling that news outlet.

      BJ

    119. Country Dick Montana says:

      “2. Energy policy. I prefer a moderate move away from fossil fuels toward clean energy.”

      Paul, you do realize that the majority of the reduction in greenhouse gas emissions has come from switching from coal to natural gas.

      In many areas they are taking huge amounts of farmland out of service and cutting down adjacent forests to put in huge solar farms that barely power a small city, while that area cleared for a gas powered plant could power a state…even when the sun doesn’t shine. Have you ever seen a view destroyed by those windmills that are not producing electricity about half the time? That is the reason that woke rich people in New England don’t want them, at least in their waterfront view.

      Anyone that feels that strongly about the environment, should take their personal power consumption back to 1950’s levels then come back to those of us that provide that power.

      One last thing on the subject, you may not believe it but a huge percentage of people providing your power, hunt, fish, camp and hike. Because we are actually in the field seeing what goes on, we probably know a little better the alleged damage that we do. If the panacea is electric cars, I would suggest that you do the research on where the materials for those batteries come from. A nickle mine is not pretty.

    120. Country Dick Montana says:

      “I am intellectually curious. That’s why I’m asking you. ”

      I gave you a link to a cartoon that was produced by General Motors and published by Look Magazine in 1945. You might find it quaint and ripe for ridicule. That is why the book, which is not overly long more worthwhile. Again, it won Hayek a Nobel Prize.

    121. Country Dick Montana says:

      “I now have affordable insurance that I like.”

      And the price for that was destroying the system and raising the price of insurance while limiting choices on us who had insurance that WE liked.

      Obamacare didn’t make things better, it just transferred the misery. That is the very definition of Socialism. Paul, in all seriousness, do you think that is fair to the people that had noting at all to do with your pre-existing conditions.

    122. NYCmike says:

      I have a friend who finally came out and admitted why he is a Democrat – his dad left their mother with 4 young boys, and while she was taking care of them along with going to school to get a college degree for teaching, they relied on public assistance to get by. He was offended in the ’80’s when everyone was attacking “welfare queens”.

      For that reason, he just about refuses to even entertain any Republican candidate.

      Of course, he was in and around NYC before and after Mayor Rudy, and he knows what an affect those policies had on the city, and across the nation……but refuses to acknowledge that Democrats were against just about ALL of them.

    123. Country Dick Montana says:

      “As for Big Tech, all I can tell you is that Twitter, Google, etc are companies with terms and conditions for usage.”

      Let’s see Twitter can allow an Iranian Republican Guard General to threaten retaliation over an assassination, but a decorated Veteran who is a State Senator has his account blocked for showing a statistically impossible vote dump as part of a Government Hearing.

      They are companies that can buy up competitors and engage in other non-competitive practices. It is convinient for you support “private industry” in this case because, well, you agree with them.

      We broke up Standard Oil and Ma Bell over less. And truth be told, we are probably better off for it.

    124. NYCmike says:

      ““As for Big Tech, all I can tell you is that Twitter, Google, etc are companies with terms and conditions for usage.””

      -That was a complete dodge.

      The statement I made was in response to his desire “to look at things from all angles.”

    125. Country Dick Montana says:

      Speaking of Big Tech and its importance. If it suddenly went away right now, we would all probably survive. As well as have a lot more privacy.

      If all of my guys decide to walk off of the job tomorrow, well winter is coming. Hope you have candles and warm clothes.

      It has always amazed me how we are hated by the very people who depend on us for life. And that is another reason why secession will never be allowed to happen. The vast majority of what is produced that keeps everyone alive (food and energy) is produced in Red areas by deplorables. The coastal elites need us a lot more than we need 280 characters.

    126. Big Joe says:

      #125, Dick-
      “I gave you a link to a cartoon that was produced by General Motors and published by Look Magazine in 1945. You might find it quaint and ripe for ridicule. That is why the book, which is not overly long more worthwhile. Again, it won Hayek a Nobel Prize.”

      I must have missed the cartoon link. Would you mind sending it again?

      BJ

    127. Florida Guy (who hates Q polls) says:

      I think Trump’s team is not trying to “win.”

      They are trying to get Wisconsin, Georgia and Arizona tossed or delayed, so it goes to the House.

      -FloG

    128. Big Joe says:

      #129, NYC-

      “-That was a complete dodge.”

      I responded to what you wrote about Big Tech and censorship. If you are implying that I agree with the practices of Twitter, Facebook, and other tech giants, you would be wrong. I’ve never defended them. They can do what they want, and if they get broken up, that would be fine by me. If they go out of business, I don’t care.

      BJ

    129. Paul says:

      Country Dick Montana: Thank you for showing that you have nothing but ridicule. That’s why I don’t bother to act rationally on this site.

    130. Country Dick Montana says:

      https://mises.org/files/road-serfdom-cartoonspdf

      As a history buff, this should be required reading. I made one mistake above in that he did not live in Russia, That was Ayn Rand. His premise is that all socialist countries eventually become totalitarian. You will probably come to the conclusion that Trump is his “strongman.”

    131. Country Dick Montana says:

      Paul, where did I ridicule you. I went out of my way not to.

      And if you don’t act rationally, that is on you. No one makes you do it.

    132. Big Joe says:

      Thanks Dick. I will check it out.

      In the meantime, I’d be interested in the timeline requested in #110.

      BJ

    133. NYCmike says:

      “If you are implying that I agree with the practices of Twitter, Facebook, and other tech giants, you would be wrong.”

      -One party is protecting them, and is in collusion with their censorship/ignoring news.

      It’s NOT the Republican Party.

      Also, the Democratic Party seeks to have people in those companies to ensure their continued use of those tactics……you don’t seem to have an issue with that at all, as you keep supporting the Democrats.

    134. Country Dick Montana says:

      BJ- As I stated above earlier today:

      Chicon, no one is Clairvoyant. There are limitless possibilities as you state. Remember that “eventually” can be a very long time. Many of our posters point to History, I am just doing the same.

      Could be tomorrow. Could be a couple of years. We could muddle along for a very long time.

      No on the other hand, I can’t predict the future, but you know what is exactly in your heart, soul and brain.

      Cheers, and let’s give it a rest for a while.

    135. Paul says:

      136: Sorry, Country Dick. You may be right. You weren’t ridiculing me. Just some unfair assertions by a few of you.

      Anyway, I am grateful that Obamacare will remain place. I get to select Blue Cross PPO and pay my $1300 per month and get insurance for my family that covers autism therapy for my son and all the doctors that we see. I know it isn’t perfect and isn’t fair for everyone. I hope that it can become more so.

      I am also grateful that soon very small waterways and ditches will be covered again by the Clean Water Act.

      And I am grateful for a president that will shift us toward clean energy solutions. And a move toward natural gas is part of that, Country Dick. I am grateful that he will be taking a moderate course and not a radical course forward on this.

    136. Big Joe says:

      #138, NYC-

      “Also, the Democratic Party seeks to have people in those companies to ensure their continued use of those tactics”

      Isn’t it the Democratic Party (or elements in it) that wants to break up the Big Tech companies?

      BJ

    137. Paul says:

      Country Dick, thanks for posting the “Road to Serfdom”. I find it intriguing and do agree with some of it.

    138. Big Joe says:

      #139, Dick-

      Awright. For someone who is so confident as to what will happen in the future, I was hoping for something a little more concrete than “Could be tomorrow. Could be a couple of years. We could muddle along for a very long time.”

      And your reasoning being that it’s happened before in history, so it will happen again.

      I’m a bit disappointed but I’ll take heart in your inability to provide a semi-concrete series of events that leads up to your doomsday scenario. Perhaps that means it’s not all that realistic after all.

      BJ

    139. NYCmike says:

      “Isn’t it the Democratic Party (or elements in it) that wants to break up the Big Tech companies?”

      -Let’s see how hard they keep pushing for that if Biden does win the White House.

      Back in 2008, Democrats were supposedly anti-war……8 years later, Obama still had us involved in several, and those same voters don’t like Trump despite the reduced number of troops in combat as well as the number of conflicts we are involved in around the world.

      I would also mention the agreements made the past few months with Israel and several Arab/muslim nations…..but the majority of the United States don’t know about them THANKS to Big Tech censorship……

    140. NYCmike says:

      “I’m a bit disappointed but I’ll take heart in your inability to provide a semi-concrete series of events that leads up to your doomsday scenario. Perhaps that means it’s not all that realistic after all.”

      -Big Joe,

      It’s almost as if you didn’t see what certain governors did the last 6-8 months to enforce their “health” edicts on the populace……

    141. Paul says:

      NYCmike, I have been reading about the agreements between Israel and Muslim nations. Their censorship didn’t work. But the election has been their focus.

      I am hopeful for a continued building on the work that Trump has succeeded in doing in the middle east.

    142. Country Dick Montana says:

      “I am grateful that he will be taking a moderate course and not a radical course forward on this.”

      The big switch to natural gas actually accelerated while Obama was President with the development of the Marcellus and Utica formations in PA, WV and OH. Fracking made that possible. It was the markets that allowed the switch to be made, not a government edict. Natural Gas is cheaper than coal. Thank goodness Obama did nothing to stop it.

      Luckily, many of the miners affected are in the same areas being developed and could find work with the gas companies and the very large companies that support them. Are you aware that the sand that we use fro fracking comes from NC, VA, WI and lots of other places outside of the gas regions. Those people are part of the process and will be affected by reductions in the gas market happening, not as a function of the market, but by government interference in the market.

      With respect to clean energy, I have already mentioned the cost of farmland taken out of production and views ruined for solar farms and windmills. Those are permanent scars on the land. Now days, even dams that could produce renewable and clean hydroelectric are being demolished as they interrupt fish migration. A gas well pad is small and once it has been drilled and is producing, the rig goes away, and most people don’t even know that it is there.

    143. mnw says:

      I suspect that Warnock’s controversial statements may facilitate GOP turnout efforts.

      Apparently he attended a service at Adam Clayton Powell’s* church in Harlem to honor Powell’s special guest Fidel Castro! Warnock has refused to confirm or deny this thus far… which means he was there, obviously. He’s just hoping there’s no photographic evidence.

      Then there is Rev. Warnock’s famous statement that it would be impossible for a good Christian to serve in the U.S. armed forces. I’m certain Warnock could mount a Scriptural defense of this position somehow… although since Christ welcomed a Roman centurion into His fold, it must be difficult.

    144. Paul says:

      You could almost replace the first page of “Road to Serfdom” with pandemic preparation instead of war. I don’t fully agree with it, but I can understand your concern.

    145. Country Dick Montana says:

      Perhaps that means it’s not all that realistic after all.

      BJ

      I think that I have been mocked. Horrors.

    146. mnw says:

      148

      * Anybody reminder Powell? Other than Walt & me?

    147. Paul says:

      mnw: I grew up as an anabaptist (Amish/Mennonites/Brethren), so I have heard that sentiment in churches frequently.

    148. NYCmike says:

      “I am hopeful for a continued building on the work that Trump has succeeded in doing in the middle east.”

      -It’s not going to happen. The same people who were on Obama’s foreign policy team are being re-hired.

      Iran is thrilled, as is Venezuela.

    149. mnw says:

      Paul

      Shut up & GFY! Nobody cares what you did or say about ANYTHING… geek.

    150. Paul says:

      NYCmike, don’t be a sour puss. I think they will build on that work. They are moderate centrists when it comes to foreign policy.

    151. Paul says:

      mnw: As an Anabaptist, I will turn the other cheek.

    152. Country Dick Montana says:

      “Country Dick, thanks for posting the “Road to Serfdom”. I find it intriguing and do agree with some of it.”

      The book itself is only 237 pages and really easy reading for an academic publication. An 18 panel cartoon, really doesn’t do justice to what is considered one of the essential books of economic thought.

      One thing, Hayek did believe that the Government had an obligation to take care of certain members of society that might not be able to care for themselves. Ayn Rand probably would have let them all die. So he has that going for him…which is nice.

    153. PresidentPaul! says:

      #142
      Try reading the dao of capital of capital by Rand Paul’s economic advisor during the 2016 presidential race who is now far and away the best performing hedge fund manager of 2020.

      Same philosophies as road to serfom (Austrian) but updated for 2020 from the perspective of an investor (contrarian investor)

      Bit of a dense read though

    154. Big Joe says:

      #145, NYC-

      “It’s almost as if you didn’t see what certain governors did the last 6-8 months to enforce their “health” edicts on the populace……”

      It’s quite a leap to jump from actions of a few governors to Dick’s doomsday scenario.

      BJ

    155. PresidentPaul! says:

      #157
      Rand was more of an advocate for big government than anything else.

      She very much wanted a big military industrial complex because she wanted the USA playing policeman in the middle east and fixing all the problems others are making there.

    156. NYCmike says:

      “They are moderate centrists when it comes to foreign policy.”

      -They are the same people who rammed thru the Iran Deal 5 years ago.

      Are you so naive to think they have changed?

    157. Big Joe says:

      #150, Dick-

      “I think that I have been mocked. Horrors.”

      Sorry, I was not mocking you. I don’t do that. Sorry if it came across that.

      I just don’t feel that your scenario is realistic. If it were, you’d have been able to provide something a bit more concrete. I have some timelines/events for my theoretical union breakup thesis.

      Gotta go guys, will check in tonight.

      BJ

    158. jason says:

      Republicans have picked up their third seat in the U.S. House in California. David Valadao reclaimed the U.S. House seat he lost two years ago, defeating Democratic Rep. TJ Cox.”

      Hallelujah.

      Since they lost what, 8 in 2018, they only need 5 more to tie where they were in 2018, still in a very small minority.

      What a great “win”.

      I got to remember that losing by less than expected is now considered winning next time I go to the horse races.

      If I take $1000 but only lose $800, I will walk out and declare I won $200!

    159. Gordon Allen says:

      Interesting the PA legislature is considering re assuming the authority to approve electors itself; for which it has constitutional authority. I presume they must be thinking about it.I think they’ll take the lead,one way or another,from what the Supreme Court does. All the marbles are on the table.

    160. Tgca says:

      BJ does not get that Big Tech and the MSM are the enemy of the people now when they are complicit in manipulating information to effect the outcome of an election and indoctrinate and control people for their own needs. These are the tactics used by dictators but now used by the Dems.

      Does BJ deny that for 4 years everything was thrown at Trump like no POTUS ever? Had their been a reasonably fair press and election, Trump would have won in a landslide.

      If BJ denies there was no fraud in the selected few big cities, hat affected the outcome of the election, then clearly, he is a fool. A number of large Dem cities have been so corrupt over the years, they have special state and federal oversight and some still do.

      As for church goers, many AA are often devout in their faith and the church is important in their communities but that does not change how they are used and manipulated those in power so please don’t try and make it that because someone goes to church they are somehow not manipulated into doing the deeds for the greedy and powerful. Just the opposite actually. The Dems prey on the poor and hopeless and keeps them in chains to cling to power.

      This is not conspiracy. This is fact.

      History is ladened with people who turned their head to corruption in their belief that it will all turn out well in the long run. Ask the Jews in Germany in the 1930s had they’d been given a 2nd chance whether they would have made the same choices knowing what we know today.

      This is where I see the Dem party going with the help of MSM and Big Tech. Maybe some day BJ will look back and reflect on whether he was part of the support for the corrupt or instead those that fought for what was right.

    161. Country Dick Montana says:

      “It’s quite a leap to jump from actions of a few governors to Dick’s doomsday scenario.”

      For a guy that can’t state unequivocably and in plain language where he stands on the issues and why, you have a lot of cheek. maybe is Jason or Bitterlaw asked you might be kind enough to answer them.

      It starts small, little laws that make everyday people into criminals. I think the last few months actions by the Governors indeed shows how it starts and that a compliant and frightened populace allows it to happen. They just continue to expand on that a little at a time. I have explained in detail how the populace will be disarmed (California is already doing it with ammunition. No ammo, no need for guns)

      It won’t happen all at once. Even if the DEMS win both seats in GA, they will behave themselves until they can add to the House and Senate in 2022. After that, and with Biden out of the way, it moves fast. The biggest issue is when people like me, stop caring. We will find small and illegal ways to beat the system. A country based on small time rackets doesn’t do too well.

    162. Country Dick Montana says:

      Martin Niemöller poem. Just change a few words.

    163. PresidentPaul! says:

      #166

      I actually disagree.
      If dems manage to get the senate, I expect them to get rid of filibuster so that the pathway for MMT is clear. The Fed and the treasury will be merged, and the dems will use UBI to buy off voters for the midterms and beyond. I also expect a fed digital currency with essentially a phone app so yellen can send direct payments.

      If GOP controls the senate, then I expect our deflationary trend to continue, and the dems will get clobbered in the midterm.

    164. Paul says:

      First we get a leap from “actions of a few governors to Dick’s doomsday scenario.” Now we have a leap from tech companies managing information to Jews in death camps.

    165. Tgca says:

      169

      It was an analogue moron!

      But American haters like you can’t make the connection.

    166. Tgca says:

      170
      Analogy

    167. Country Dick Montana says:

      “managing information”

      We now have a new euphemism…or doublespeak.

    168. PresidentPaul! says:

      Dems did nothing after 2008, and they let the tea party clobber then in 2010 doing austerity for the next 6 years thereafter until Trump finally won in 2016.

      The dems are hellbent on not letting that happen again, which is one of the main reasons they wanted the former Fed chair to now be the treasury secretary.

      But the dems need a victory in Georgia or otherwise they are up a creek without a paddle, and if the bernie Bros realize that biden’s victory was pyrrhic then the dems will have to deal with the rioters in their party as well.

    169. PresidentPaul! says:

      The Biden plan to issue debt relief by executive order is an interesting alternative plan should the GOP win the senate.

      Not sure on the legality of it, but if he just starts absolving debt of consumers in mass whether that be credit card, auto, school or mortgages it could end up being the work around for them.

      …again not sure how much of any of it would be legal.

    170. PresidentPaul! says:

      “Chuck Schumer says Biden could forgive $50,000 in student debt with executive order”

      https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/16/schumer-suggests-student-debt-forgiveness-through-executive-order.html

    171. PresidentPaul! says:

      Dems need a bit of a shock and awe strategy if they want to win big in 2022 and remake America (into a dystopia of course), but I think Georgia gets in the way of that and I also think Biden is too much of a traditional thicker to understand the world economic situation.

    172. lisab says:

      “Chuck Schumer says Biden could forgive $50,000 in student debt with executive order”
      —————————

      he has promised to do this

      cannot wait!

      there WILL be transfers of wealth in the next four years, this is a transfer of wealth to the bernie bros from people who paid off their loans or paid for college out of pocket

      plus, it pretty much means a NEW entitlement of at LEAST $50,000 , because everyone going forward will of course expect the same

    173. PresidentPaul! says:

      Does anyone remember the the “global synchronized growth” narrative in 17-2018?

      Was it really global synchronized growth or was it actually something else rather than the media’ narrative

      I know what it was. The dollar fell 10-15%. Emerging market debt is denominated much in dollars with the biggest being China (india etc.) When everything is cheaper the world booms, and this is why dollar devaluation is always inflationary worldwide.

      Also what happens when the dollar devalues? Europe gets pissed. Even the Swiss who used to be known for strong currencies get pissed. Why does the Swiss central bank own more apple than anyone else? They quit buying US treasuries and now just buy FAANG. When the Swiss franc strengthens (because the dollar is weakening) they fix the problem with QE…aka quantative easing. When they do that it pumps into US markets and the stock market goes even more wild (from the dollar devaluation that started the whole sequence)

      Biden needs the money printers going hot right out of the gate to get things where they need to be for 2022 if the dems want America 2.0.

      Georgia is such a problem for them

    174. lisab says:

      don’t think about secession, that is not going to happen, at least it is almost impossible, who knows what might happen in the future, but for now it is clearly not a reality

      but … what is far more likely is a bunch of laws which strip wealth from various groups, and of course strips freedom of speech under the banner of “hate speech” or “a tweet which is not up to our community standards”, etc.

      sooooooo … the key is to arrange your wealth so that it is as untouchable as possible.

      for example, under the green new deal they don’t like buildings that are not energy efficient … such as single family homes, especially the affordable ones that were the mainstay of the middle-class, i.e. 1,000-2000 sqft homes built before year 2000. they will all have huge taxes placed on them for not being energy efficient.

      they also don’t like mcmansions, homes over 2000 sqft no matter when they were built …. they really want either multi-family homes or micro-homes.

      everyone else will be a target.

    175. Gordon Allen says:

      #168. The leap from not allowing jews to marry Aryans ( 1935 Nuremberg laws) was a gigantic one to the Holocaust. Am I wrong about it happening anyway?

    176. Bitterlaw says:

      I do not recall saying I expect to lose. I said I can win. I wish more of you had not given up so easily but I can’t live your lives. I know that most of you don’t respect me because of where I live. Jason thinks I hate people where he lives but this is not true at all. I would be bored out there but that is not hatred.

      I have said that I will run for Congress. If I am not up to your standards, so be it. None of you can vote for me anyway.

    177. lisab says:

      let’s say you live in a conservative area, with nice big single family homes, big roads and little in the way of public transportation …

      now you are a target.

      let’s open a big public housing project there and fill it with new immigrants

      boom … we just erased 25% of your home value!

      plus … as an added bonus … we get to interfere with your public school system to make sure all the immigrant 20 year olds in your middle school can learn english

      this playbook has been around for a long tme

    178. NYCmike says:

      “None of you can vote for me anyway.”

      -Why not?

      Just have PA send us VBM ballots. Put as down as your tenants.

    179. PresidentPaul! says:

      #183

      Easy fix. Keep fixed rate mortgages, but instead of a 30 years fixed use some calculus and make it an infinite term mortgage. The UK has already done this.

      What does that mean in practical purposes? Buyers own make payments on monthly interest (and keep the banks happy) with no plan to ever buy the home. It’s more like a monthly rent.

      EZ to fix these problems.

    180. PresidentPaul! says:

      another way of stating that…the principal will be paid off after infinite years.

    181. Bitterlaw says:

      I am disappointed every day that I woke up BUT I am more optimistic about America’s future than the HHR surrender crowd.

    182. Country Dick Montana says:

      Bitter-I have no disrespect for you or your run for Congress. If I misread what you said about winning or losing, then that is on me. We all have to fight the way we see fit and if this is your way no one should critisize it.

      But as for being bored in York County? Didnt you say that you didn’t get our much anyway. Imagine yourself as a small country lawyer
      You might find it liberating

    183. lisab says:

      Easy fix. Keep fixed rate mortgages, but instead of a 30 years fixed use some calculus and make it an infinite term mortgage. The UK has already done this.
      ————————–

      they don’t want to fix it

      they want to redistribute wealth

      for most people their house is their single biggest asset.

      a really good way to ruin someone financially is to crush their home value

    184. PresidentPaul! says:

      #189
      Just pointing out another method Biden has (and Trump previously had) to ignite the US economy for reelection.

    185. PresidentPaul! says:

      You get a McMansion, you get a McMansion, you get a McMansion!

    186. Bitterlaw says:

      I love cities. Even if I don’t go out much, I love knowing that I can be in city any time I choose. Lancaster and York just don’t do it for me.

      I respect most people here. I think they would be great in elected office. Of course, they won’t because they choose not to do it. Now, they won’t even vote but pretend that is not surrendering to the Left. It is. There is no way to deny it. People make choices. They can state their reasons but they are pretending if they believe that they did not give a free pass to Democrats to ruin the country.

    187. lisab says:

      Just pointing out another method Biden has (and Trump previously had) to ignite the US economy for reelection.
      ————————

      the dems don’t want it ignited

      another great way to punish someone in the middle class is to close down places of business

    188. PresidentPaul! says:

      I still agree with Robbie that the GOP is in the best position it’s been in decades probably centuries if it wins these Georgia races.

      GOP winning Georgia puts Biden in a bind, and at that point the only way out of it to start doing very outside the box thinking, which he’s probably not capable of although perhaps his staff is.

    189. mnw says:

      183 lisab

      Absolutely right!

      For added anxiety, my principal residence is in… Illinois. (Shudder)

    190. Country Dick Montana says:

      I am giving them a free pass. I am also taking myself out of the taxpaying business. They will tax my IRA distribution but I will get a lot more of that back from Social Security and Medicare. My fight is by becoming a burden and in my small way do something to help crash the system.

      That is when real change will be made. People will fight for freedom or they will fight for dependency.

    191. lisab says:

      They will tax my IRA distribution
      ——————————–

      they might also ramp up inflation to destroy its value

    192. PresidentPaul! says:

      197
      If the GOP wins the senate, deflation will be the problem not inflation.

      https://ritholtz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/fredgraph-LNS11300001.png

      Graph of labor force participation. Sometimes it really is as simple as looking at a chart go straight downward over 20-30 years.

      As long there are less people working, there are less people spending.

      MMT would fix this problem by just sending Fedbuck to people for doing nothing giving them an income just as if there were more workers.

    193. Country Dick Montana says:

      As long as I get those COL raises in SS. Less tax on lower valued IRA. More government $$. That makes me an even bigger drain. What’s not to like.

    194. lisab says:

      also … think about cars …

      do the people in inner cities own cars? no, not so much, and especially not bft’s

      sooooooooo, don’t go out and buy a bft now. you pay through the nose for it. think california-style gas prices

    195. PresidentPaul! says:

      People in gold right now are sitting in for the ride, and slowly figuring this out as the price falls lower and lower.

      No blue wave= likely no MMT. Likely GOP win in Georgia means no spending at all. All of that means no inflation, and therefor no inflation-based metals rallies.

    196. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      A new,small dump of ballots from LA County in the CA CD-25 race. The ballots split exactly 50/50 so Mike Garcia(R) continues with his lead of 405 votes.

      https://twitter.com/CATargetBot/status/1332456104765259776/photo/1

    197. lisab says:

      As long as I get those COL raises in SS. Less tax on lower valued IRA.
      —————————————

      well … we are going to have to means test the social security … to see if you really need it …

      did you know there are subsistence farmers in columbia who need that money?!

      and … of course you don’t pay less tax just because there is more inflation

      that is democrat 101

      the idea is that we put in place a millionaire’s tax … it is very popular because, hey … we are not millionaire’s, and then we ramp up inflation

      you’re a millionaire! you’re a millionaire! you’re a millionaire! you’re a millionaire! you’re a millionaire!

      everyone with an ira is a millionaire!

    198. lisab says:

      cdm,

      however, you have the right idea

      minimize your target-zone

      get as much government subsidy as possible

      it might be time for you to identify as a hispanic black lesbian

    199. lisab says:

      i myself am bi

      prove me wrong!

    200. Country Dick Montana says:

      Perfect, lisa. They will do that to quarter millionaires too. Eventually, all is taxed and confiscated and we are given vouchers for bread and toilet paper…when the stores are open and when they have stock. Low level criminality has probably already been established and at some poi t even the security forces can’t be bought off. See how fun this is. And History is a guide. He Oyster Cult said it best:

      History shows again and again
      How nature points out the folly of men.

    201. Country Dick Montana says:

      You LisaB are a trouble maker.

    202. lisab says:

      Eventually, all is taxed and confiscated and we are given vouchers for bread and toilet paper
      ————————————

      food lines are good! as bernie said, “That is a good thing! In other countries people don’t line up for food: the rich get the food and the poor starve to death.”

    203. lisab says:

      You LisaB are a trouble maker.
      ————————————

      i can see why you would think so, but …

      it is just i have lived in blue states all my life, so i know what is coming.

      i have checked out all the gender identities and preferences, and bi is the best one

      what are the going to say, “you’re not bi!”

    204. Country Dick Montana says:

      I suppose being bi also doubles your chance for a date on a Saturday night.

    205. lisab says:

      I suppose being bi also doubles your chance for a date on a Saturday night.
      ———————————————-

      and … anytime my boss is mean to me

      i get to play the discrimination card

    206. lisab says:

      it even works with female bosses …

      because then she made an improper advance, knowing i was bi

    207. dblaikie says:

      The Senate Pa. Majority leader Mastriano is announcing that the PA Legislature is going to seek to reclaim its power over the Sec of State and appoint its own slate of Electors. Qualifies as a boom.

    208. Country Dick Montana says:

      Bonus!

      Ok I have taken this silliness far enough

    209. lisab says:

      i made the mistake years ago of marrying a person of swedish descent …

      being of irish descent, i get sunburned in a full-moon … and hubby is blond

      sooooooo … no chance at passing for hispanic or black

    210. Tgca says:

      LisaB is going bi but I got her beat, I’m going tranny. No one will dare mess with me in America’s new most important protected class.

      Besides, I think I’ll look good in a dress with my legs and I got the perfect lips for ruby red lipstick too.

    211. lisab says:

      i have a friend who is a white woman … same background as me. we grew up in the same town and everything.

      married a guy who is technically hispanic … doesn’t speak spanish or anything, but has the name

      when her children were born she made sure to mark them down as all hispanic … i guess you have to do this on the birth certificate or they get mad if you try to change later

      lucky b!tch!

    212. lisab says:

      LisaB is going bi
      ————————-

      tch … i am NOT going bi … i am bi

      i was born that way

      be a little more accepting please

    213. Country Dick Montana says:

      Tgca- just 2 words:

      Rachel Levine.

    214. lisab says:

      Besides, I think I’ll look good in a dress with my legs
      —————————-

      i really cannot recommend … hair removal is a chore

    215. Wes says:

      Although I’m hetero and cisgender, I can legitimately claim Amerindian descent on my father’s side. That makes me a minority.

      Oh, yes!

    216. Wes says:

      LisaB is going the Michael route on sexuality and becoming greedy.

    217. lisab says:

      check out caroline cossey

      i think i am now qualified to say she was “hot” as a bond girl

    218. lisab says:

      I can legitimately claim Amerindian
      ———————————

      are you on the dawes roll or similar?

      i checked out becoming a native american, but there are hurdles

    219. Bitterlaw says:

      There was a character on Sex & The City who pretended to be a lesbian because she thought they were cool. I can’t post the clip because it is too rude. Suffice it to say that she was told if she didn’t do a particular sex act that she wasn’t one of them.

      I only watched because my wife thought the show was funny and there was a lot of nudity.

    220. Tgca says:

      Is Bitter saying his wife is watching a TV show in order to see nudity? Did I get that right?

      Hmmm…maybe he should start removing those sweaters so his wife doesn’t have to tune into a lefty show.

    221. Tgca says:

      219 CDM

      Don’t be mean now. Some folks might actually find Rachel Levine HOT even if you can’t appreciate her.

      Imagine being the only guy stuck on an island with Rachel Levine, Rosie O’Donnell and Rachel Maddow.

    222. lisab says:

      just remember if anyone from the government comes around asking questions

      my favourite btvs character was willow

      my favourite movies are personal best, thirteen, and the runaways

      and i really like tegan and sara

    223. Bitterlaw says:

      Forget it, lisab. They have all of your posts about Italian leather boots. You never posted about sensible shoes.

    224. Wes says:

      Tgca says:
      November 27, 2020 at 7:23 pm
      Is Bitter saying his wife is watching a TV show in order to see nudity? Did I get that right?

      Hmmm…maybe he should start removing those sweaters so his wife doesn’t have to tune into a lefty show.

      Ironically, Tg, Candace Bushnell–the creator of the show–is a frequent contributor to the GOP.

    225. Bitterlaw says:

      Not even worth commenting on the newest lie.

      I just watched the newest episode of The Mandalorian with my daughter. Baby Yoda has a name. Pretty exciting.

    226. Tgca says:

      230 Wes

      But the show itself was a lefty city dweller show catering to a certain demographics based on the lives of 4 sluts living in the city. Not my kinda show.

    227. jason says:

      Now, they won’t even vote but pretend that is not surrendering to the Left. It is. There is no way to deny it. People make choices. They can state their reasons but they are pretending if they believe that they did not give a free pass to Democrats to ruin the country.”

      Zzzzzzz… .what claptrap.

      The majority of the people in the US have already given a free pass to Dems to ruin the country.

    228. jason says:

      People make choices.”

      Yep, that has been my point all along.

    229. lisab says:

      They have all of your posts about Italian leather boots. You never posted about sensible shoes.
      ————————

      well … i am not a lesbian …

      think evan rachel wood or bella thorne not ellen page

      i appreciate feminine beauty AND high quality italian footware

    230. Bitterlaw says:

      And you have chosen to surrender. Own it, Jason.

    231. Cash Cow TM says:

      Remember when Trump said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and people would still love him?

      I guess Biden could accept a $30MM bribe from the ChicComs at Times Square while licking an entire brownie troop from head to toe and people would still love him.

      They especially like Biden when he quotes scripture like the “PeeSalms”…

    232. Dan says:

      re: 238.
      “They especially like Biden when he quotes scripture like the “PeeSalms”…”

      I un-lurk when I see vile comments like that which demand to be confronted. Leave it to a GOPer to make fun of someone with a speech disability (stuttering). Pure cowardice when you have to make a vile personal attack like that. (And no, it is not hypocritical to respond to pure hate. Of course it is hypocritical to make fun of someone’s disability like that while ignoring your own impeached messiah’s obesity…which is a fact, not an attack. Or the fact that Biden quotes scripture and goes to church every week while your impeached messiah has not stepped foot in a church for anything but a photo op.)

      (Cue the lame “troll!” posts again!)

    233. lisab says:

      you have insulted the dear leader cow!

      you cannot do that in the new society …

      and

      i think you best change your name to comrade cow from now on don’t you?

    234. Rudy G. says:

      HYUGE win in Pennsylvania today! 3 GOP justices got me the big win. I’m such a good lawyah! The best lawyah though!

      I’m gonna save you all from the coming security forces killings!

    235. phoenixrisen says:

      Hey sockpuppet Rudy G (gator), you have no idea.

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-huge-judge-mccullough-rules-2020-pa-election-likely-unconstitutional-gives-state-legislators-power-choose-electors/

      The magnitude of this opinion from Judge McCullough cannot be ignored. This is big.

    236. lisab says:

      the pa ruling was expected

      it is the LEAST pro-trump court of the courts involved …

      so now it goes to scotus, which should end it one way or another

    237. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      The Pennsylvania decision was by a three judge panel of the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals; all three judges were Republican appointees. Justice Stephanos Bibas wrote the decision, and he was a Trump appointee. Below is the text of the decision, which is well written and persuasive.

      https://www2.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/203371np.pdf

    238. Thomas A says:

      Great idea. By all means take the reddest states and form your own version of Gilead. That’s exactly the type of country. you seem to want and it would be perfect for you

    239. Conservative Tears says:

      the President and his allies have one win and 38 losses, they have failed to provide evidence of any widespread fraud to the courts,” he added of Trump’s court battles. “Clearly Joe Biden has won this race — the election officials who run our elections have said that — and that’s how our democracy works.”
      O V E R
      SEE YA IN 2024

    240. Country Dick Montana says:

      Looks like the overseas troll farm came in for a predawn raid this morning. And again, to all of our trolls where ever you are, regardless of who wins, your lives are not getting any better.

    241. Country Dick Montana says:

      Hey Dan, you want to know what’s vile? What’s vile is that I live in a city where 90% of the people voted for Biden, and if I open my mouth or show my true political leanings your shock troops will vandalize my car and/or house and beat me to a pulp if the can.

      It is kind of funny that you lecture us on decorum and our side allows the process to take place without burning down cities and looting stores. The fraud is there for anyone with a brain to see, yet we aren’t taking to the streets or beating up our opponents.

    242. Chicon says:

      Ok, PO, see you in 4 years.

    243. Gordon Allen says:

      Phoenix. The opinion by Judge McCullough gives the PA legislature the ” cover” it needs,if it wants to,appoint its own Electoral slate. It was moving a little that way after the hearing it conducted Wednesday,with witnesses ( ” evidence”) giving strong accounts of fraud.
      The legislature is not bound to accept any subsequent ruling by the PA Supreme Court on appeal: it’s authority comes from Art 2 of the US Constitution.

    244. Country Dick Montana says:

      The legislatures are not going to do a thing. Lots of Establishment GOP, and to tell you the truth it is a dangerous precedent. Like the 2018 Astros winning the World Series, the DEMs cheated in plain sight and stole and election, and they won’t do a do over.

      Get used to what is coming, resist it if you can, and add no legitimacy to it.

    245. michael corleone says:

      Country Dick – I think having 50 million Americans cast ballots outside of the secure polling place is a more dangerous precedent. The legislatures should do this. A contested election may allow us to extract election reform from the Congress if Biden doesn’t have 270 electors (in exchange for Biden being President).

    246. Tgca says:

      252

      Agreed! Nothing is more important now than election reform and it should be the Senate’s top priority going forward and the House with its increased GOP numbers should also seek to beat that drum daily.

      This is not some small local election that has little across the board impacts. This goes to the core of the U. S. Constitution and the ability of the US to remain a sovereign nation in the long run. If 74M people feel their voting no longer matters, that will lead to the eventual change in America and not for the best.

      I believe voter fraud of this magnitude should be a treasonous crime.

    247. Country Dick Montana says:

      ” The legislatures should do this.”

      But they won’t. Whether or not all of those votes were illegal or not, nothing, and I mean NOTHING is going to be done about it.

      People have this quaint idea that politicians get into office to represent “the people.” They get into office because they are primarily power and money hungry, narcissistic bastards who are in it for themselves. And they won’t do a darn thing that will upset that particular apple cart.

    248. Tgca says:

      I also think we need another Tea-like Party with much stronger candidates to keep the GOP in line. If substantial fraud is found and GOP elected officials become cowardice and turn their heads, they should be criticized daily, politically harassed, voted out, or forced to resign and have their careers destroyed so they can never serve again in the GOP party because they are complicit if they turn their head in fear to keep their jobs and benefits.

      That may sound harsh but if there is strong evidence of fraud, they need to do their elected duty and not worry about their careers. They are there to serve the people and not themselves.

      We should not want a bunch of cowards like Roberts making major decisions for our country.

    249. Country Dick Montana says:

      ” Nothing is more important now than election reform and it should be the Senate’s top priority going forward ”

      That horse has left the barn. The DEMS play to win and they will do anything to win. When the GOP loses the 2 GA Senate races to fraud, it will be waved in our faces by the very people that did it daring us to do something about it.

      And nobody will.

    250. Tgca says:

      254 CDM

      Then let’s start targeting them. There will always be another ambitious person willing to run against them. Think Rubio in FL in 2010 even though he turned out to be fluff and a hypocrite later on but at least he went after Crist daily and was able to show folks the fraud Crist turned out to be.

    251. Country Dick Montana says:

      “I also think we need another Tea-like Party with much stronger candidates to keep the GOP in line. ”

      Then you have to be prepared for very large DEM majorities while running out the Establishment types. The Establishment will simply blend into the Majority party in order to protect their perks.

    252. Country Dick Montana says:

      Tgca – All that has to happen is that Trump starts a 3rd party. Vindictive bastard that he his, I could see it happening. The GOP would be smashed, but what is left would be a much smaller party and super-majorities of DEMS as, again, the Establishment types would move to the Majority, not for any policy or philosophical reasons, but to protect what they already have.

      People here, think that major change is going to come without major pain. The DEMS are counting on nobody willing to go through major pain (just as the Chinese are considering flexing their muscles as the US isn’t interested in major pain.)

    253. Tgca says:

      Folks can do things at the state level too, especially where the GOP controls one or both chambers. Force election change in these states going forward. March to the capital. Dox the leaders and march to their homes as well if they refuse to meet or take action. They are there to serve the people and not themselves. Put enough pressure on them and I bet that will make a difference going forward.

    254. Tgca says:

      I did not say there would not be consequences or pain but at some point you have to rid the party of those that are not serving the party’s voters faithfully.

      No pain, no gain.

      All you need to do is take a few down and you watch how quickly the other cowards fall in line.

      These creatures act out of self-preservation and if that is threatened, most of them will get on board.

    255. Bitterlaw says:

      If SCOTUS did overturn the election, the Dems will pack the court as soon as they can and every Presidential election going forward will be decided there 7-6. However, you fight the war you are in so Trump has to try.

    256. Country Dick Montana says:

      The SCOTUS is doing nothing. The legislatures are doing nothing. The people will go with their lives and ever so slowly and imperceptibly cede the rights (not privileges, not permissions)that they were guaranteed.

      We are getting exactly what we deserve.

    257. Tgca says:

      My view is that any GOP or Dem or Indy that is ok with this level of concerted fraud is a coward and a traitor to the US and I have no desire to have anything to do with them.

      This is not about losing an election but protecting the US Constitution and ensuring our way of life is not destroyed because a select few in power in politics, Big Tech, and MSM wish to have their way.

    258. jason says:

      My view is that any GOP or Dem or Indy that is ok with this level of concerted fraud is a coward and a traitor to the US and I have no desire to have anything to do with them.

      This is not about losing an election but protecting the US Constitution and ensuring our way of life is not destroyed because a select few in power in politics, Big Tech, and MSM wish to have their way.”

      Amazing clarity and insight from someone who eats a squirrel diet.

      Well said.

    259. jason says:

      If SCOTUS did overturn the election, the Dems will pack the court as soon as they can and every Presidential election going forward will be decided there 7-6. However, you fight the war you are in so Trump has to try.”

      Zzzzzzzz….

      They will do that anyway, this is the worst argument yet for surrendering.

    260. jason says:

      Clearly Joe Biden has won this race — the election officials who run our elections have said that”

      Dang, that IS pretty convincing….

      Did the Central Kommittee vouch for the “election officials”?

    261. Wobbles says:

      We need to obey the election officials.

      They will protect us from undesirable candidates winning any elections.

      They understand that sometimes voters make mistakes that need to be corrected.

    262. jason says:

      “All Heck Breaks Loose in Taiwan as Brawling Lawmakers Throw Pig Guts at Each Other”

      I can’t think of anything clever but if anyone else does go at it.

    263. Wes says:

      At least they’re not throwing tofu at each other.

    264. Bitterlaw says:

      Let’s tally the score:

      Bitterlaw:

      1. Trump should exhaust every legal and legislative remedy.

      2. Will run for Congress to oppose Biden and the Democrats.

      3. Will continue to vote.

      Jason:

      1. Will stop voting.

      Tell us again who surrendered.

    265. Bitterlaw says:

      269. That’s not Kosher.

      Yeah. Not good source material.

    266. jason says:

      Let’s tally the score”

      Zzzzz.. I didn’t say you surrendered.

      I said the argument that the Dems will pack the courts when they have the power to do so if SCOTUS “overturns (inaccurate word) the election” is a weak mone because they will do that anyway, no matter what happens to this election.

      GFY.

    267. Phil says:

      Agree with almost everything CDM has said.

      Also agree with others that Democrats will pack the Court just as soon as they get the chance. It will happen the first time they get their hands on the WH and both Houses. Not with a 50-50 Senate but once they get a margin of 52 -48 or there abouts the filibuster is gone and then the Supreme Court gets packed…followed by 4 more Democratic Senators from DC and Puerto Rico ensuring Dem Senate control for as far as the eye can see.

      Robbie to jump in and say none of that is any big deal.

    268. jason says:

      Trump still a 6 to 1 (15%) underdog at Predictit to win the election.

      Perdue at 70% and Loeffler at 66%.

      Rs to retain control at 75%.

    269. jason says:

      Phil, those here that think this is just another election and the “pendulum will swing back” are drinking some powerful Kool-Aid.

      The pendulum swung way to the left. It will swing back and forth to and from various points on the left, but it is never going to swing back to right of the center, or even anywhere close to center.

      80 million people voted for the most left wing agenda in History and a avowed Marxist as VP.

      That pendulum left the barn.

    270. Phil says:

      276

      Sadly, Jason is absolutely correct. The Robbies of the world live in lala land.

    271. dblaikie says:

      I half way agree with Jason in that many folks have moved left. However since I believe that there was a huge amount of voter fraud I don’t buy into the 80 million figure yet. In addition there were millions of votes from non thinking people who were voting against Trump and not for Socialism. Finally if Biden is sworn in as President and Harris becomes the real person in charge it is not going to be pretty with policies that will not be productive. Quite frankly with them in charge I believe that in two years there is going to be a blood bath in the midterms for the Dems. My only concern with that is more fraud in two years.

      Hopefully these GOP State Legislatures will do their duty and clean up their election laws in these States. That more than anything after this election is sorted is imperative.

    272. Pitchaboy says:

      Braised Tofu and Halloumi salad. Big yum.

    273. BillW says:

      I have tried to make this comment three times and it keeps going into moderation, but here goes…

      It should be a simple matter to end most election fraud by insisting that all Presidential ballots be securely identified as authorized.

      In a world where we can get a cup of coffee by waving a cell phone in front of an electronic reader, we should be able to identify if ballots are authentic.

      Here is my suggestion – embed an RF chip in each ballot, whether requested for vote-by-mail or in person on election day.

      For mail-in votes, the chip could be read through the envelope – so the secret ballot would not be compromised.

      Any ballots that came in without a chip would not be counted. (Receipt of many un-chipped ballots could lead to an investigation for fraud in some jurisdictions.)

      Since RF chips cost as little as 10 cents apiece, we could secure the entire Presidential election for aroung $35 million.

    274. Phil says:

      Fortunately, in the short term the voters of Georgia will, at least temporarily, protect us from a Schumer senate.

      The fighting Republican Georgia SOS will make sure there is no fraud for the runoff.

      LMFAO

    275. dblaikie says:

      But folks stuff is happening with this election. Pennsylvania has become more and more in jeopardy for Biden with yesterdays ruling by Judge Patrica M. and with the GOP Legislature getting it’s act together. At the end of the week we have a serious hearing going on in Nevada under Judge Russell concerning Clark County. The lowering of the machine verifying signatures to below 40% match is going to be huge if proven. In Wisconsin the Suit by the Thomas More Society is going along just fine. And who knows what is going to happen in Georgia. The 3rd Circuit opinion was disappointing but now we finally will have the first appeal to SCOTUS.

      Finally one more thing for you to ponder. The Supreme Court is no longer the Roberts Court thank God. It has now become the Thomas Court. I would love to see Clarence Thomas finally get his revenge on Joe Biden for the Anita Hill Hearing. It is very much up in the air but in this year stranger things have happened.

    276. Wes says:

      Since presidential and congressional elections are indeed federal elections, I think Congress should pass a law mandating the Florida standard for all such elections. Because it would be pointless and expensive to count state elections separately, states would then count everything together.

      That would eliminate fraud.

    277. dblaikie says:

      I agree Wes!

    278. dblaikie says:

      However I don’t see a President Biden signing such legislation.

    279. Tom says:

      Voter ID and no blanket vote by mail would eliminated 99% of the fraud.

    280. Country Dick Montana says:

      “Pennsylvania has become more and more in jeopardy for Biden with yesterdays ruling by Judge Patrica M. and with the GOP Legislature getting it’s act together.”

      Uh, yeah right.

      https://www.newsmax.com/politics/pennsylvania-election-assembly-electors/2020/11/10/id/996288/

      Reminder that PA legislature is the highest paid and one of the few full time state legislatures. They are not rocking the boat.

      ” finally will have the first appeal to SCOTUS.”

      They will punt, saying that it is up to the legislatures. After that see above.

      My long term predictions seem fanciful to some, but anyone who thinks that this election is being overturned is, I will just leave it at overly optimistic. Until the people feel real pain and I mean real depression level pain nothing is changing. We have moved left a country and left is where it will stay.

    281. Wes says:

      Wait till a Democrat is President with a bad economy, CDM. Then see how far right we go.

    282. dblaikie says:

      Sorry CDM but stuff has changed since that Newsmax article on the 10th. And I don’t claim like you to knowing what the Supreme Court will do. If they do indeed punt, I will proclaim from the mountain tops that you were right.

      I am not a fantasy guy. I know it is very difficult to overturn this thing. But I will fight until the end.

    283. Country Dick Montana says:

      And if the SCOTUS does anything that changes the outcome I will say that you were correct. Same with legislatures doing anything.

      But here is what happens, if they do nothing, most GOP voters will go to their jobs. They won’t burn.cities, refuse to pay their mortgages, or go on some type.of general strike. In other words a peaceful transfer of power. If for some reason the election is rightly overturned negating the obvious massive fraud, then look out

    284. Country Dick Montana says:

      “Wait till a Democrat is President with a bad economy, CDM. Then see how far right we go.”

      The elected officials are part of the problem. I see the real problem being the unelected Administrative State and their various consultants and enablers who feed at the Government tough as being a bigger problem. Until we move far enough right that 90% of those bastards are sent packing and made into tax sources as opposed to tax drains, then we still will be where we are now. Even the power hungry GOP politicians need them. Like I said, their isn’t a whole lot of difference between any of them (Bitterlaw notwithstanding.)

    285. Dylan says:

      Books are going to be written about how incompetent the Trump legal effort/strategy is/was. The current case that is going to SCOTUS from PA is whether Trump can amend his complaint to allege different legal theories Let’s assume SCOTUS says he can amend——so then what? It’s not as if that moves the ball forward cause there’s no time for a trial on the merits before the EC meets

    286. Country Dick Montana says:

      I just saw this on one of my favorite non-political blogs. I remember it and it keeps coming back at appropriate times. Think about this:

      “..when you wrestle with a pig two things will occur. One the pig will enjoy it and two you will get muddy. Why does it take so long to learn the basic lessons of life?”

    287. Bitterlaw says:

      Whenever Jason Never Trump predicts what will “Never” happen, I feel better about the future. Since he voted for Trump, he clearly has no idea what “Never” means.

    288. jason says:

      Whenever Jason Never Trump predicts what will “Never” happen,”

      Zzzzzz….

      Actually, I didn’t vote for Trump when I was a Never Trumper, and while you tried to change my mind for months, it didn’t work. I ended up not voting for him.

      You said I should remain in the R party. I left it, didn’t go back, and won’t go back. Ever.

      Your sophomoric attempts to somehow “shame” me into voting in 2022 and 2024 won’t work either. I won’t be voting in 2022 and 2024.

      You are batting .000, so you shouldn’t “feel better”.

      GFY.

    289. jason says:

      I am happy for the blue whales.

      If you weigh 200 tons you should be able to go anywhere you want.

      “Nov. 19 (UPI) — After being nearly completely wiped out by whalers, new research suggests Antarctic blue whales have returned to the sub-Antarctic island of South Georgia.

      Researchers were able to confirm the dramatic comeback with the help of documented sightings, photographs and underwater sound recordings collected over the last three decades”

    290. Gordon Allen says:

      Country Dick. I agree the PA legislature will look politically for sure. But that may mean the opposite: if it becomes ,as it is, more likely that there was election fraud,the Republican legislators will be afraid of doing nothing, because many will be gone as a result,not least through primaries.
      It is entirely unclear to me what the issues are in the PA appeal to the Supreme Court.

    291. Bitterlaw says:

      Your llama is ashamed of you.

    292. jason says:

      The llama is ashamed of people who despise residents of York Co. as lesser beings to the sophisticated left wingers in Delco.

    293. Wes says:

      Walt can remember when blue whales first evolved. He used to have one as a pet to carry him from continent to continent till he invented shipping.ll

    294. Bitterlaw says:

      I don’t despise the people of York County. I am not superior to anybody. I would just be bored out of my mind there. Why anybody would live more than 3 hours from the ocean is beyond me.

    295. Bitterlaw says:

      Walt remembers when whales had legs. He told them it was a waste of time to be on land and they did not need legs in the water. They listened to him.

    296. Robbie says:

      A good and interesting read about the Republican Party in California, if nothing else, showing a pulse.

      The story also mentions that Kevin Falconer is considering a run for governor in 2022. Could he win? No. Would it be interesting to see what a credible candidate could do, especially if he made pandemic pushback against Newson a big issue? I think so.

      https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/28/republicans-california-trump-gop-440385

    297. Wes says:

      Walt regrets the time he passed off that sperm whale. Next time he sailed in those waters on the Essex, he saw the whale and tried to apologize. Big mistake. It was still so angry at him it sank the ship.

    298. lisab says:

      still riots in minnesota today

      welcome to mob rule

      and they cannot use covid as an excuse to shut it down because the governor and mayor already said that covid does not spread among protestors

    299. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      November 28, 2020 at 11:26 am
      Agree with almost everything CDM has said.

      Also agree with others that Democrats will pack the Court just as soon as they get the chance. It will happen the first time they get their hands on the WH and both Houses. Not with a 50-50 Senate but once they get a margin of 52 -48 or there abouts the filibuster is gone and then the Supreme Court gets packed…followed by 4 more Democratic Senators from DC and Puerto Rico ensuring Dem Senate control for as far as the eye can see.

      Robbie to jump in and say none of that is any big deal.

      – Sure, it could happen. Could being the key word.

      However, I think there’s plenty of evidence Democrats badly underperformed expectations in the House and Senate because they ran on packing the courts, ending the filibuster, and adding two news states.

      I think it’s going to be a while before Democrats have the presidency and the kinds of majorities needed to enact those kinds of major cultural changes.

      You’ll disagree and that’s fine, but I think Republicans are set up well to have a very good decade. Why?

      – They have strong advantages in the state legislatures and will control redistricting next year. That alone should add to and solidify their position in the House.

      – If the first midterm penalty exists for the party that has the presidency (along with redistricting), Republicans are well positioned to control the House after the 2022 elections.

      – In 2022 and 2024, Republicans are well positioned to approach 55, 56, or even 57 Senate seats. In 2022, AZ, NV, NH in 2022 are good pickup opportunities. In 2024, MT, WV, AZ, and OH are also good pickup opportunities.

      Given the move to the right in Ohio, will Sherrod Brown even run again in 2024? He ran in as good of an environment as possible for Democrats in 2018 and still only beat a zombie campaign by 7 points.

      I’ve never been known as a wild eye optimist and plenty could change, but I think the “Black Swan” changes we all fear are not likely any time soon.

      But if I’m wrong, people will be able to point this when it happens.

    300. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      BREAKING:
      It appears that ALL the counting in the IA CD-2 recount is over and the Republican, MMM, has prevailed by either 7 votes or 33 votes depending on the Scott County 26 vote fiasco. Here is the local reporter from a few minutes ago:

      “After completing tally of absentee votes in Clinton County, Hart nets +1 vote. Unsure yet what net was from Election Day ballots. That shrinks
      @millermeeks
      lead to seven votes, if Hart net +26 votes from Scott County stands. #IA02”

    301. Robbie says:

      Wes

      If you are around, I’d like to get your take on my thoughts about the party’s position in 306.

    302. jason says:

      I don’t despise the people of York County. I am not superior to anybody. I would just be bored out of my mind there. Why anybody would live more than 3 hours from the ocean is beyond me.”

      I think the arrogance of this statement says it all. Oozes disdain.

    303. jason says:

      I think it’s going to be a while before Democrats have the presidency and the kinds of majorities needed to enact those kinds of major cultural changes.”

      LOL

      Could be as early as January 2021.

    304. jason says:

      I guess six weeks can be a long time when you are a lying fraud.

    305. Tgca says:

      I somewhat agree with Bitter. Can be a bit boring in York County compared to going to Philly to see:

      1. homeless folks on the street with creative signs lying about why they need you to give them money,

      2. drunken and spaced out addicts sprawled out in doorways,

      3. unfortunate unclean and unhealthy homeless folks squatting on the street and in the parks and public areas wreaking of filth with no one caring to help in the City of Brotherly Love,

      4. trash littered sidewalks and curbs,

      5. drunken white girls in clothes too tight and small for them staggering about thinking they look attractive in an inebriated state only to be courted by drunken guys who just want 20 mins with them and have no intention of bringing them home to meet their friends or family,

      6. Dirty, boarded up, and abandoned buildings,

      7. People getting mugged and harassed in various neighborhoods.

      These are only a few of the treats you get in Philly that you won’t find in York County on a regular basis so I can see why Bitter doesn’t want to spend time in York County…what can compare to Philly?

    306. mnw says:

      307 Sheep

      Excellent. Hope it stands up.

    307. Bitterlaw says:

      Wanting to be closer to the ocean means I disdain York? I love this place.

      I have been to York. I guess I missed all the fun things to do there. I missed all the museums, theaters and professional sports teams. I could tour the Harley Davidson factory.

      Jason knows nothing about where I live and why I live here. I don’t interpret that as disdain or contempt. If he wants to tell me what I am missing in York, I appreciate it.

    308. sane_voter says:

      The margin is six votes in IA-02 if all the reported recounts are correct. Clinton is +2 for Hart at the end of their recount.
      Scott County’s auditor is a Dem, so still the potential of more last minute fraud to steal the election as they haven’t officially reported their recount results to the Iowa SOS. Only Scott and Clinton are yet to officially report.

    309. Bitterlaw says:

      I guess liking museums and pro sports makes me a terrible person.

    310. Country Dick Montana says:

      306 – Let’s take this fantasy of retaking the house and getting 57 seats in the Senate. And fine we have the GOP win the Presidency.

      The main enemy of the GOP and the US in general is the unelected Administrative State. You know, the one to whom Congress has abdicated its rule making role. If a GOP government with those types of numbers does not zero out a very large hunk of the Administrative State (say on the order of 50%)along with the same number of rules then what good is the GOP? Other than to say you voted for the right tribe. Its fantasy baseball. Its the right to say “hey I’m right!”

    311. SoHope says:

      I can only think of 2 “republican-types” in CA that have a prayer at governor….Mike Rowe or Condi Rice and I have doubts about Condi. CA is too far gone without serious help like a dead girl or live boy and that wouldn’t even be enough

    312. sane_voter says:

      As of now after the recounts, 11 counties netted votes for Hart, 3 counties netted votes for MMM, and 10 counties had no net change.

      Four counties voted for Hart, all four netted her votes in the recount for a total of +33 for Hart.

      Twenty counties voted for MMM, in the recount 7 netted for Hart, 3 for MMM. Net votes were +8 for Hart.

      Funny how that always seems to happen for the Dems.

    313. Country Dick Montana says:

      Bitter – I live in the city on the other side of the Commonwealth and I mean in the City. Up until COVID it was fun. I love the ethnic food and restaurants native to each neighborhood. For 3 great years I loved the professional Baseball team and always the Hockey team (admittedly never much of a football fan which is odd for a native Texan.) I enjoyed the arts and I enjoyed the Rivers. I enjoyed parking the truck on weekends and walking everywhere.

      But:

      Nearly all of my work has been in small towns and rural communities and I will take the people and some of the simple pleasures in those communities any day. The fishing, the hunting, the knowledge that any gunshots I hear are probably shooting at varmints.

      I am retiring and Mrs. CDM has decided that we will stay east near to our kids. I will not be going back to Texas. She want to head towards big water that does not include hurricanes (at least not often)and has the place picked out, which unfortunately means that I will be living in a blue state where my vote counts less than it did in PA. But it will be rural. I will miss the city but like the coming political environment will learn to adapt.

    314. Wes says:

      I know you’re a big Trump fan, CDM. How much of the federal government did Trump zero out–or even advocate zeroing out?

    315. Wes says:

      I don’t think your scenario is far fetched at all, Robbie.

    316. Country Dick Montana says:

      Not much wes, but he cut regulations.

      And BTW, I have no love for Trump personally. What I had a love for is what he represented and some of what he was able to accomplish. My real disdain is for those people who were not able to separate the limited accomplishments from the man.

      And for them, I want nothing but pain.

    317. Bitterlaw says:

      Just curious, CDM. Are you headed to Maryland? NJ?

    318. Bitterlaw says:

      There are also rural areas in Delaware.

      I am sure that there are good people in small towns. That does mean I have to live there.

    319. Tgca says:

      320

      I think CDM hit it on the nose, the quality of people in the distant suburbs and rural areas are much better than the city dwellers and their very close suburbanites. I’ve noticed this trend across the US in my travels too.

      City folks tend to be too shallow, material, and self-focused and seek “things” and “events” to bring them comfort and happiness while distant suburbanites and rural folks find pleasure in the simpler things in life surrounding friends and family.

      This is often why you see many city dwellers leave the city after some time to find the simple pleasures that escape them in the cities.

    320. Bitterlaw says:

      Does not mean.

    321. Country Dick Montana says:

      You can also include the GOP members who just want to “move on.”

      Those people are part of the ruling class, no different in any way shape or form than Democrats.

      This is your hobby as it is for a lot of people here. And I don’t mean that in a bad way. You love it, breath it and dream of it the same way that I do fishing. As long as there is a “game” to watch you are interested. And I suppose that since this is a polling site it is more about who wins and who loses but not the reason that they run in the first place.

    322. Country Dick Montana says:

      Bitter – I will be on the Chesapeake Bay. Location to be agreed to. My preference is for the quiet and very rural Eastern Shore although we will go where Mrs. CDM wants to go.

    323. Wes says:

      My point, CDM, is that while, yes, Trump had a fair share of accomplishments, he was never an advocate of rolling back the government. He governed as a big-spending populist in the Teddy Roosevelt mode. It would take a much different Republican President from Trump to being scaling back the federal government.

    324. Country Dick Montana says:

      ‘It would take a much different Republican President from Trump to being scaling back the federal government.”

      You are correct. It will take a different set of GOP politicians to do that, and as they need the AS for their own purposes, it is not getting smaller, ever. SO that is why I posit that we continue moving to the left, sometimes slower, sometimes faster, until we are ruled by technocrats.

    325. jason says:

      A good and interesting read about the Republican Party in California, if nothing else, showing a pulse.”

      Zzzzzz….

      CA is a socialist cesspool, and the rest of the country is moving TOWARDS California ideologically, not away. Dems have 70% plus majorities in the state legislature and.

      Pulse my ass.

      And the 3 seats that were picked up? A drop in the bucket and completely meaningless as pertains to CA since it is not even halfway back to 2018.

    326. Country Dick Montana says:

      And that is why I say, “why bother.” At the end of the day we are still voting for a larger and more intrusive government. That is what the people want and I want them to have it sooner than later.

    327. Tgca says:

      I think Trump is now positioned to go down as a very effective POTUS regardless of his personal appeal. His accomplishments in 4 years will have lasting effect and rivals any POTUS in the past 100 years. I think he has single handedly remade the GOP and widened the tent for the working class and minorities that the GOP was failing at the last few decades. If he can continue to be a major influence the next 4 years through rallies and involvement in the party, that will be a major benefit for the GOP. I don’t think this was necessarily by design but by the times. He was able to connect with and fill a void in the electorate that no other GOPer could lately.

      History has shown us some of the most unlikeable and petty people have made great leaders. Look at many of the early forefathers who were petulant, jealous, and often immature in their attacks on their rivals so maybe he will be in good company in history.

    328. Country Dick Montana says:

      Tgca – Trump was like Andrew Jackson in that the DC establishment (and there already was one in the early 19th century) saw him as a profane interloper and rube, a tool of the lower classes. They did all that they could to spit him out also. He had enemies in the government and his own Administration, including his VP. Trump luckily did not have that. He had states rebelling against his policies. He was a populist (There is that word again.)

    329. Country Dick Montana says:

      All of that said above, I think Trump moves on himself. He will work on his brand and do everything he can to avoid the highly partisan legal witch hunts that are waiting for him after he is no longer President.

      The Establishment needs to break him once and for all in order to let the people that voted for him know who is really in charge and to make sure that he never comes back.

    330. Tgca says:

      I look at many of the accomplishments of Trump and this tool of the lower class seemed to accomplish a lot more than any other POTUS since Reagan, and under tougher circumstances too with the MSM, Big Tech, and the Deep State against him 24/7.

      Reagan was fortunate to still have a significant part of his voting block that hailed from the greatest generation where they actually put country 1st. Most of those folks are long gone now and we have a different electorate now. I doubt Reagan could master such successes in this environment without changing his style. The shining city on the hill approach does not work with a significant part of this electorate unfortunately.

    331. Tgca says:

      I doubt Trump will want to give up the spotlight and I don’t think he would back down to the challenge. I think that would energize him and his significant fan base exponentially. The pressure on the GOP in the House and Senate would be enormous.

      I could imagine the Dem party backlash that would ensue if they tried to jail an ex POTUS just because he was who he was. I think the Dem party would rue that day.

    332. Country Dick Montana says:

      “I could imagine the Dem party backlash that would ensue if they tried to jail an ex POTUS just because he was who he was.”

      If you have enough laws, we all have broken some. And the richer you are, the chances for breaking some pretty big ones. There are politicians out there (the NYS AG for one) that aree looking to bag the one of a kind animal for their trophy room. Trump will be constantly harassed and short of his followers storming whatever entity is is doing the harassing, they will find something…they always do. Ask General Flynn. It will make great television. I can only imagine who on this site would be glued to the screen.

    333. Country Dick Montana says:

      And don’t forget Tgca, there are a lot of GOP politicians that want to see him eliminated from the scene too. They may not overtly cheer for it as they can’t afford to alienate the Trump voter, but they won’t do anything either.

    334. Tgca says:

      If you think the American people are going to allow Trump to be hunted down for revenge, I think that is naive. Not even the Dems in power want that because that could come back to haunt them immensely because states could go after them as well. Having tens or hundreds of thousands march onto the WH or Congress is what I envision would occur or state capitols. That is not a door they wish to open. My gut feel is there would be immense pressure to shut it down even at the state level. It would be a terrible distraction for the Biden admin.

    335. jason says:

      That is what the people want and I want them to have it sooner than later.”

      It is what the people want, but I prefer to delay it as much as possible because I am selfish. I think winning the GA seats will provide a small delay.

      But after Inauguration Day, they can have what they want, whatever happens in GA.

    336. Tgca says:

      The more they go after Trump, the bigger the martyr he becomes and the larger the following he garners.

    337. Country Dick Montana says:

      “The more they go after Trump, the bigger the martyr he becomes and the larger the following he garners.”

      So what. They have already stolen one election. Stealing another would be child’s play. They aren’t out to destroy Trump, as he is just the symptom. They are out to crush his supporters and anyone who questions their authority. DEM and GOP it doesn’t matter.

    338. jason says:

      They will have no qualms going after Trump, you can bet on it.

    339. jason says:

      Besides, it will be a great opportunity to further divide the opposition.

      The Never Trumpers will agree to any kangaroo prosecution of Trump, they agreed to every coup and hoax.

    340. Tgca says:

      On a different note, last night I found out the 1st guy I ever dated when I was a mere pup of 24 passed away late last year. He was actually a year younger than me but had been out before me dating guys as a teenager while I was pleasing the ladies still so I guess he showed me the ropes a bit back then, and he was a bit of a jerk at times but I guess that was not unusual for a 23 year-old gay guy back then either but overall he was a good, decent guy.

      It’s odd knowing that your 1st is gone and it feels a bit sad, as I still remember our 1st date and the restaurant we ate at in NYC. I even remember some of our detailed conversations. I tell you this circle of life thing does not always feel so great. Every time I turn around, someone else I know is gone.

      I feel really bad for his folks because he is the 2nd of two children and both children have now passed. We both shared a common bond in that we both lost our brothers to cancer at a very young age, me at 18 and him at 21.

      RIP my 1st.

    341. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca – I am sorry for the loss of somebody so special to you. I am also sorry for the many years of my life where I was ignorant of the very simple fact that gay people are no different from anybody else. When I was young and stupid, I thought that relationships between men or women were based more on lust than love. I was dismissive and I regret that.

    342. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      November 28, 2020 at 3:18 pm
      I think it’s going to be a while before Democrats have the presidency and the kinds of majorities needed to enact those kinds of major cultural changes.”

      LOL

      Could be as early as January 2021.

      – The Democrats are not going to end the filibuster, pack the courts, and add states on the back of 5 seat House majority and a 50-50 Senate tie broken by the VP.

      It’s not going to happen. But in the fever dreams of message board posters, the unlikely is always likely.

    343. Country Dick Montana says:

      As much as it pains me to a small degree I agree with Robbie. I said earlier that I think they will somewhat behave themselves while playing a long game. In 2022 with everything stays quo and no Trump on the ticket they gain seats in the house and Senate while the Trump voters stays home. After that is when the fun begins.

    344. Robbie says:

      If Democrats had won the kinds of majorities in 2020 they had won in 2008, then there’s no doubt they would end the filibuster, pack the court, and add two more states. Thank goodness it’s not 2008.

    345. sane_voter says:

      Is it constitutionally allowed to make DC a state? I imagine it will be sued and appeals up to the USSC.

    346. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Norm Coleman(R-MN) has what he has described as “advanced lung cancer.” Moreover, I believe that he lives full-time in the DC area and has not moved back to Minnesota.

      I always liked Senator/Mayor Coleman. He was cheated in his re-election bid against the despicable Al Franken.
      I wish him the best.

    347. Dylan says:

      Sad to hear about Coleman I’ve always said that Gov Pawlenty’s Inability to stop that theft destroyed his viability for future office Milquetoast city

    348. sane_voter says:

      After Bush v Gore, we had the outright theft of the WA Gov from Rossi in 2004 and this Sen seat from Coleman in 2008. Losing that way is terrible, but even worse to such a pr1ck like Franken.

    349. sane_voter says:

      Not saying Bush stole FL, but it seemed the recount cards were falling one way after 2000.

    350. Tgca says:

      Just watched the Water Diviner with Russell Crowe. Saw this a few years back. A great guy movie if you’re interested. It’s a bit tough to watch but it’s worth it.

      About a dad who goes searching for his 3 boys after the fighting ceases in WWI to bring their bodies home after he got message they were all killed together in the same battle. Lots of character developing with others as he searches.

    351. JeffP says:

      If one contested state goes Trumps way by SCOTUS or state house electors the others will follow.

      I can see all sorts of legal reasons three states keep Sleepy from 270.

    352. Wes says:

      In 2022 with everything stays quo and no Trump on the ticket they gain seats in the house and Senate while the Trump voters stays home. After that is when the fun begins.

      You proceed from a false assumption, CDM, because that’s not going to happen.

    353. Robbie says:

      Wes says:
      November 28, 2020 at 7:51 pm
      In 2022 with everything stays quo and no Trump on the ticket they gain seats in the house and Senate while the Trump voters stays home. After that is when the fun begins.

      You proceed from a false assumption, CDM, because that’s not going to happen.

      – CDM is convinced that Trump is the KEY factor in turnout. Trump helps, but many seem to forget Republicans essentially ran on “Trumpism” in 2014 and it produced the largest House majority since 1928.

    354. Country Dick Montana says:

      “You proceed from a false assumption, CDM, because that’s not going to happen.”

      And you know this, how? History? Because it always happens that the Party out of power gains seats in a President’s first term?

      As for you Robbie – Even with Trump around the Trump voter didn’t show up in 2018 which is why the GOP got crushed then. Put Trump back in 2020 and what happens? Lots of those seats come back. The Trump voter is not you. They aren’t interested in politics and voting every election. Lot’s of them will sit out 2022 simply because they aren’t interested. Remember, their lives really don’t change much no matter who is in.

    355. Country Dick Montana says:

      One last thing Robbie – You call me out again and I will hand you your azz just like I did the other night. I leave you alone and you leave me alone. We have different interests and you cuddling up with Wes really is a bad look for you.

    356. jason says:

      CDM, Robbie is an amoral scumbag.

      He has the moral compass of a floating turd.

      Keep that in mind when reading any of his posts, and they become a lot clearer.

    357. Wes says:

      Well, let’s make a bet then, CDM. You’re speaking with certainty on the idea that Dems will gain in both houses of Congress during a Biden midterm. I’m speaking with certainty saying it won’t happen.

      Loser has to donate to the charity of the winner’s choice.

      Are you in?

    358. Wes says:

      By the way, CDM, I hate to tell you this, but despite your beliefs, the American political universe does not revolve around Donald Trump and never has.

    359. Country Dick Montana says:

      Wes,betting with anonymous strangers on the internet is really kind of silly. I have stated an opinion and given my reasons (Trump voter is not real interested in politics beyond a Presidential election.) You have stated your opinion and backed it up with history. That is all they are is opinions. Now granted, your experience and internet in the nuts and bolts of politics far exceeds mine. Given the respect you receive here the one thing that I wish I could read from you is your political philosophy. Kind of the same thing that I want to hear from BJ. Both of you a reasonable intelligent and may actually work to raise the level of discourse here. Otherwise as I have stated before this is just a site to discuss the political equivalent of fantasy baseball.

      That is my long way of saying I won’t take your bet. That and I am old and could just as easily be dead by then.

    360. Bitterlaw says:

      No way is CDM dying before me. That would be unfair.

    361. country Dick Montana says:

      Wes, I never said that it revolved around Trump. It has been acknowledged that he has changed the GOP by people more knowledgable than me
      Even people on this board with whom I disagree say that he has added a lot of new voters that either never or rarely voted. Many of them were voting for a personality, someone with whom they could identify. I would suspect that many aren’t interested in politics and will go back to their old habits of not voting at all. That is unless there is someone similar to motivate them and it won’t be a run of the mill politician.

      And finally I have stated that once he is gone, and it will be 1/20/2021, barring some miracle, he will have past his sell by date and should find something else to do.

    362. Wes says:

      Betting actually frequently occurs on here, CDM. It’s always for charity of course. I’ve lost two bets and won all the others I’ve taken part in.

      Fair enough if you decline to take me up on it.

    363. Phil says:

      Both houses, Wes? I might take that bet. I’ll give you a chance to see which senate seats are up. You may want to reconsider.

    364. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      November 28, 2020 at 8:22 pm
      One last thing Robbie – You call me out again and I will hand you your azz just like I did the other night.

      – You didn’t hand anything to me.

    365. Wes says:

      As for my political philosophy, I’m a right-leaning atheist libertarian who supports Republicans except in the most egregious of instances (e g, Dick Mourdock in 2012).

      I agree Trump should find something constructive to do after January. He will probably remain politically active in one way or another, as I can’t imagine he’ll quietly disappear with Biden in the White House.

      As for the average Trump voter, that Trump was able to bring such a person into the GOP fold is something he should be lauded for. The Trump voter is just one facet of the American electorate though. Republicans will try to reach those they can turn out and appeal to others to replace apathetic Trump voters.

      That’s why I say your analysis of 2022 is well wide of the mark. Everything will be about Joe Biden then while Republicans will have a leg up in redistricting and hold the advantage of appealing to voters not sold on Biden.

      It’s the natural ebb and flow of American politics. Only rarely and under extraordinary circumstances has the President seen his party gain seats in Congress in a midterm. Biden isn’t fitting that bill.

    366. Country Dick Montana says:

      Bitter-just for one day, try to wake up happy. Your job sucks, but your wife loves you. You have had heartbreak, but there are people in your life that deserve to know that they provide a light that cancels the darkness.

      You seem to be a decent man.

    367. Tgca says:

      I don’t bet here because it would be unfair to all here as being an EXPERT of all things except gay culture (see LisaB for all things gay), I would win all the time.

    368. Wes says:

      I know what Senate seats are up, Phil. It’s the Class 3 seats. Republicans hold more seats in it than Dems, but the GOP isn’t as overextended in the class as Dems were in the Class 1 seats in 2018.

      The two seats Republicans have in states Biden carried are in states Republicans have frequently done well in.

      Take into account the fact that Dems have three incumbents who won by underwhelming margins in AZ, NV, and NH, and the Senate is certainly not a place for doom and gloom in two years.

    369. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      November 28, 2020 at 9:40 pm
      Both houses, Wes? I might take that bet. I’ll give you a chance to see which senate seats are up. You may want to reconsider.

      – The only recent time a president and his party held the House and then won back the Senate in the first midterm was 2002 when GWB was president. What allowed that to happen? Well, 9/11 happened and GWB had an approval rating of more than 70% on election day 2002.

      If some exogenous event happens over the next two years that gives Biden a 70% or 80% approval rating heading into election day 2022, then maybe Democrats will win back the Senate.

      Right now, I think the best case scenario for Democrats in 2022 is they actually do win back the Senate by a seat, but lose the House in the process.

      I know you’re very focused on Democrats stealing the election, but they didn’t steal NC or AK or any other Senate seat that was close on election night. Again, you had similar fears in the period right after 2012, but none of that came to be. In fact, 2014 was one of the best years the party’s had.

    370. County Dick Montana says:

      Good enough Wes. Despite my doom and gloom I really hope that you are right, although I still think even with the ebb an flow we continue to the left. I have 3 kids and wish them no pain, but as a people for real change to happen pain must be involved.

      I am out for the night. See you guys early tomorrow.

    371. jason says:

      Whatever. It won’t make any difference if Rs win or lose in 2022 or 2024.

      Nothing is going to change, the direction of the country was already decided loud and clear.

      The nanny state is here to stay, and all you can do is try to delay it to some degree or another.

      It is certainly not a strategy or an effort I want to be part of, but you guys who think it is go to it.

      I think you are wasting your time talking about “advantages in redistricting” and “appealing to voters not sold on Biden” but I don’t want to discourage anybody from following their dreams.

    372. jason says:

      In fact, 2014 was one of the best years the party’s had”

      Zzzzz… drivel and garbage.

      2014 changed nothing on the long term trend, and neither will 2022 and 2024.. It was a blip on the radar on the road to socialism. The socialist agenda and the Communist VP have 80 million votes.

      If Rs somehow eke out a win in 2022 it will be as

    373. jason says:

      insignificant as 2014 was to the long term trend.

    374. jason says:

      he Trump voter is just one facet of the American electorate though.”

      It seems like he is THE facet in the R party though.

      Asked if they were the Trump party or the R party, 2/3 of Rs polled said they were the Trump party.

      I am going to have as much fun as CDM watching the R party win without the Trump voter.

    375. Bitterlaw says:

      The long term trend is only property owning men being allowed to vote while slavery is legal…

      The long term trend is white men voting but slavery is illegal…

      The long term trend is women being allowed to vote but blacks in the South will be prevented from voting….

      Whatever, Jason. You served our country. You earned the right to your opinion. I disagree.

    376. jason says:

      I know you’re very focused on Democrats stealing the election, but they didn’t steal NC or AK or any other Senate seat that was close on election night.”

      LOL

      AK of course was never close, and it certainly wasn’t close on election night, Sullivan had a huge lead.

      It is ok to steal the Presidency because you didn’t manage to steal the NC senate race?

      This is the argument?

      Sounds like “Mr. Smith, I know you are concerned your daughter disappeared, but we did find her cap”.

    377. jason says:

      Wow, there are certainly some great straw arguments there, Bitter.

      But if you don’t think the country is trending left, you are either blind or naive.

    378. Robbie says:

      I feel like many have overestimated Trump’s impact on politics. Heading into 2018, I read story after story and comment after comment here that Trump had reset politics and created a new coalition that would defy the political law of gravity.

      Yet, every indicator suggested Trump and Republicans would suffer a pretty tough defeat in the House and many governors races. His approval rating, the right/wrong track, and the generic ballot all suggested a tough election and those metrics were correct. Republicans lost 40 House seats and quite a few governors races.

      And in 2020, political gravity was just as relevant for Trump as it was for him and his party in 2018. He went into election day with an approval rating several points below 50%, a consistent deficit in the head to head polls, and right/wrong track that was bad. And somewhat predictably, he came up short.

      So while Trump was a political supernova that dominated our lives for the last five and half years, the normal political rules that were reliable predictors worked and worked quite well. And to be honest, there’s no reason to think they won’t continue to work, especially in an era marked by corona and economic frustration.

      Going forward, I’m not convinced Trump will be as dominant in politics as some think. He’s already seen his standing diminish since election day. His tweets no longer generate the kind of interest from the press they once did and I’m not sure the public is paying as much attention to him as they once did. He hasn’t conceded the election and, outside of his base, few seem to care.

      Trump will certainly still hold sway with his core supporters, but I don’t think he’ll remain omnipresent. Sarah Palin’s star burned very hot, but even it dimmed. For all the talk Trump is dedicated fighting to prove he won, he’s spent much of his post election time playing golf. If he does that post January 20, will that really keep him front and center with the party?

    379. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      November 28, 2020 at 9:57 pm
      In fact, 2014 was one of the best years the party’s had”

      Zzzzz… drivel and garbage.

      2014 changed nothing on the long term trend, and neither will 2022 and 2024.. It was a blip on the radar on the road to socialism. The socialist agenda and the Communist VP have 80 million votes.

      – In Jason’s world, wins are no longer wins if Trump’s not part of them.

      It amazes me you and other can’t comprehend that many who voted for Biden simply did so because they didn’t want Trump to be president anymore. His policies had very little to do with it. Otherwise, voters would have given Democrats landslide wins in the House and the Senate. But they didn’t. In fact, Republicans did quite well with the exception of the presidency.

    380. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      November 28, 2020 at 10:06 pm
      It is ok to steal the Presidency because you didn’t manage to steal the NC senate race?

      – The only evidence you have that the presidency was stolen was the fact Trump didn’t win nd Sidney Powell’s myriad of conspiracy theories.

      The 2016 election was every bit as close in the three states that decided that race so was it stolen by Trump since Hillary was supposed to win?

    381. Bitterlaw says:

      And if you think your prediction is guaranteed to happen, your ignorance of history and your arrogance. Nothing is forever in politics. Your Never Trump incarnation proved that. You have decided to surrender but want to pretend it is because you are an infallible prognosticator of politics when it really means you quit.

    382. Bitterlaw says:

      I would like your advice on how to win my race, Jason. However, how can I rely upon you when you won’t even vote?

    383. jason says:

      Bitter, I am just biding my time here with my arguments, and I am kidding when I say it will be fun to watch the R party win without the Trump voter, the rural/exurban vote and the blue collar vote he brought to the party. I won’t be doing that.

      Soon I won’t care who wins any election, and I certainly won’t care if the R party goes back to thinking leftist suburbanites are the base of the party.

      The more I read the comments here by people who should know better, the more I realize what a relief it will be to cancel my voter’s registration right after inauguration.

      I think we have descended into surrealism there is really anybody who has lived through 2019 doesn’t think the country is on a fast leftward march.

    384. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      November 28, 2020 at 10:01 pm
      I am going to have as much fun as CDM watching the R party win without the Trump voter.

      – Then you had fun watching Republicans win the House in 2010, 2012, and 2014 when Trump wasn’t in the political conversation at all.

      When you say the party can’t win without Trump anymore, you’re describing something akin to a cult. If the party becomes beholden to whims of a defeated former president, then it will fail.

    385. jason says:

      The 2016 election was every bit as close in the three states that decided that race so was it stolen by Trump since Hillary was supposed to win?”

      Are you really that stupid or just that dishonest?

      There weren’t millions of VBM votes floating around.

      The evidence of fraud is overwhelming. The fact you accept it because it is against Trump shows why you are an amoral scumbag.

    386. jason says:

      In fact, Republicans did quite well with the exception of the presidency.”

      Garbage.

      They didn’t do as badly as expected, which is different.

      The lost ground in the senate, lost the Presidency and lost the House. They got killed in the popular vote.

      Nothing changed as far as the trend.

      “Biden simply did so because they didn’t want Trump to be president anymore.

      Horsecrap. Trump got 14 million votes more than in 2016.

    387. Bitterlaw says:

      Biden stole his election. The country is not as far gone to the left as Jason said it Democrats would have gained seats I. The House. Both can be true.

    388. jason says:

      And if you think your prediction is guaranteed to happen, your ignorance of history and your arrogance. Nothing is forever in politics. Your Never Trump incarnation proved that. You have decided to surrender but want to pretend it is because you are an infallible prognosticator of politics when it really means you quit.”

      More garbage and drivel.

      Sorry, but it is not a prediction. It ALREADY happened.

      Kamala Harris, a communist, is VP and will probably soon be President.

      If that is the criteria, I really am a great prognosticator, because I have been pessimistic about the trend in the country way before the election, and in fact, even before Trump.

    389. Cash Cow TM says:

      Michigan court case filed.

      Scroll down to page 5 of 6 of the document for the biggest kicker.

      https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18693929/1/14/king-v-whitmer/?fbclid=IwAR2tGD_ZHUR8UJsZAXEWOJ4yKeHxrk8F-_P2xQvs5q3Y4s080YM3hI_p52w

    390. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      November 28, 2020 at 10:22 pm
      The evidence of fraud is overwhelming.

      – Neither, Trump, Rudy, super lawyer Sidney Powell, or you have presented any compelling evidence of fraud other than your opposition to vote by mail.

      Vote by mail is not fraud on its own. I don’t like it one bit, but Trump and his lawyers have NOT provided any court with any evidence of fraud.

      Simply saying VBM is fraudulent doesn’t make it so.

    391. jason says:

      The country is not as far gone to the left as Jason said”

      LOL

    392. jason says:

      Neither, Trump, Rudy, super lawyer Sidney Powell, or you have presented any compelling evidence of fraud other than your opposition to vote by mail.”

      The evidence HAS been presented. The election was stolen.

      You don’t accept it because you are a scumbag that thinks it is ok as long as it is against Trump.

    393. jason says:

      Bitterlaw says:
      November 28, 2020 at 10:28 pm

      Biden stole his election.”

      Yes.

      But why do you think it might stand?

      Might it not be due the general change in ideology?

    394. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      November 28, 2020 at 10:35 pm
      The evidence HAS been presented. The election was stolen.

      – What evidence? The garbage puked up by Sidney Powell? Some disproven conspiracy that more people voted in Detroit than those who live there?

      Trump’s lawyers have repeatedly made the case in multiple states before judges under oath they are not claiming fraud.

    395. Bitterlaw says:

      Will Jason start typing Never Vote?

    396. Phil says:

      Trump carried 18 of the19 national swing counties that have gone for the national winner every election since 1956….and he carried each by an average of 15 points.

      Don’t tell me this election wasn’t stolen.

    397. Bitterlaw says:

      So the answer to a stolen election is to never vote again? That will really punish Democrats.

      I love this place.

    398. lisab says:

      it does not matter if jason votes if his vote won’t be counted

      there is a reason the ussr had elections and made people vote

      if few people vote the election is an open sham

      but if most people vote and the establishment choice just happens to win

      they can claim it was the will of the people

      so it is better to not vote, plus the added bonus of no jury duty

    399. Tgca says:

      404

      Agreed! Ironic that the votes for Biden significantly exceeded expectations in a few cities in the swing states that gave him the electoral math needed but not in other similar cities in states he did not need, otherwise, Trump would have been re-elected comfortably.

      Existence of fraud can be shown through mathematical trends and other anomalies, as probabilities used in court cases often are evidence but it takes time to build the case and put it all together and time was not on our side here.

      History will tell the true story if we do a real investigation no matter how long it takes so we can ensure this does not happen again.

      I’m hateful towards these scum that have weakened our country through this fraud, and I wish the most horrible and painful death to all involved.

      This is treason and anyone involved and convicted should be executed because our country and the Constitution is more important than any single individual.

      Without America and what it stands for, the world would certainly be a much worst place and a better world has been built on the lives of many Americans who served and died to preserve our Constitution and try and make the world a better place and we don’t need thievery to destroy our way of life and what America stands for.

    400. Bitterlaw says:

      A utopian socialist does not want alleged conservatives to vote. Got it.

    401. Dylan says:

      408–question : Did Trump just not appreciate the extent to which fraud would be perpetrated OR did he just have no ability to stop it? I say “both can be true” as many here like to say….

    402. CamRep says:

      The Georgia Secretary of FRAUD cannot be trusted!

      Georgians–The patriotic thing is to STAY HOME on January 5. If you absolutely must vote, write in the name of our President–Mr. Donald J. Trump!!!

      DO NOT support the traitors Loeffler and Perdue! No more RINOs!!!

    403. Cletus says:

      #404–Nice logic. Why did we even have the other 2988 counties bother to vote? Just let those 19 vote going forward to let the winner be determined.

      Honestly, the stupid is powerful with some of you cultists…

    404. Tgca says:

      410

      Should the Trump, team have expected fraud? Yes, expect everything with the Axis of Evil, MSM, Big Tech, and radical left.

      Should Trump team tried to better prevent fraud and have taken no chances. Yes. But they did not conceive it could actually occur.

      But this is bigger than Trump! This is about our way of life and the Constitution and what America stands for. If we can’t trust in national elections, then America has run its course in the world as thievery of this magnitude in this day and age sends a message to the American people that you no longer matter and only a select few with power and resources matter.

    405. Tgca says:

      412

      Hey Clitoris!

      It was meant as a reference point and not calling only for those counties to decide the election.

      It would be like saying 95% AA voted for Trump or San Francisco overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

      It doesn’t past the smell test based on historic norms and indicates something is either wrong or the probability of success was like winning the lottery. Very unusual expectation.

    406. Bitterlaw says:

      Either Tgca went way back into his past for that post or he has a very racy autocorrect.

    407. lisab says:

      A utopian socialist does not want alleged conservatives to vote. Got it.
      ——————————

      i am not suggesting jason vote or not vote

      i am pointing out that if he feels it does not matter if he votes or not

      than by voting he is giving legitimacy to the situation

      your way he gets to choose a democrat or a rino

    408. CamRep says:

      Impeach Kemp! Send Loeffler, Perdue, and the other Georgia Socialists who betrayed President Trump back where they belong!!

      If Patriots don’t grow a spine and refuse to legitimize this crooked process, this country will soon be Nicaragua!!!

      In January 5, instead of voting, Georgia Patriots need to go to work as they always have done, go to the Bars and Restaurants in massive numbers, go to the worship places, go go go! But do NOT help the Socialist Enablers by going to the poles!

    409. Cletus says:

      #414–

      Juvenile name-calling—I should’ve expected as much from a Trump cultist.

      How’s this? Between 1988 and 2016, the GOP only won a state in the trio of WI/MI/PA one time. Once out of 24 chances!!!

      And then, in 2016, we’re supposed to believe Donald Trump, a man who hadn’t won a single vote for any public office before 2016, actually won *all three*?!

      Why does that pass your “smell test”?

      Let me guess—it’s because your god told you one election was the most beautiful thing since his own daughter, while the told you the other election was a fraud so big they can’t even produce a single piece of evidence in court supporting it.

    410. Country Dick Montana says:

      And the overseas troll farm drops in for another predawn raid. You guys won, whats the problem?

    411. Country Dick Montana says:

      I also have to give kudos for Cletus’ religious bigotry in his last post. Good form my man.

      When one sees the anger in the troll and others who call Trump voters “cultists” you begin to understand that it isn’t Trump they hate and of whom they are afraid. It is us. They hate us. And that really is the essence of the DEM party these days. Totalitarian leaning politicians aided and abetted by a compliant press, with an organised civilian army of shock troops to enforce their will.

    412. Tgca says:

      418

      Listen Clit!

      You’re missing the point. There is strong analytical evidence that suggests fraud in select cities and counties in selected states where needed.

      So you claim it was fraud Trump won those areas in 2016 even though he’s expanded the tent for these types of voters the Dems abandoned. He just happen to win these voters in similar states and counties but lost them in the must win states?

      You spout claims Trump never really won those states in 2016. You mean like how the Dems supposedly won GA in 2020 when they’ve lost that state by 5 to 9 points in every election going back to 1992 and even then only won by less than a point because Perot split the vote.

      Similarly in AZ where except for split vote due to Perot once, the Dems lost the state by 5 to 10 points in every election since then.

      You’re making the argument for us here of very suspicious voting results in selected areas when the GOP beat the Dems across the board in this election.

      Keep spouting your CNN and MSNBC talking points. History will show the theft and Biden will be significantly weakened if you believe the polls showing nearly 50% of the country already believes it was fraud and that will jump higher as this is dragged out for months.

    413. jaichind says:

      421. While not making an assertion that there are no circumstantial evidence of fraud could not one make the counter argument that precisely because those states were going to be close the marginal anti-Trump voter were extra motivated to turn out?

    414. Tgca says:

      422

      So states Trump won by 4 to 5 points all of a sudden have anti-Trump votes of that magnitude just in those 2 states when he has turned out the vote similarly in his benefit elsewhere?

      Again, there is clear analytical evidence of unprecedented voting behaviors that don’t make sense and that is strong evidence of fraud. If Trump lost across the board, you would have a point but he outperformed every POTUS ever by at least 6M votes and unlike the Dems, he did not have to rely on VBM to do it which we know is fraught with fraud going back 30+ years even by admissions of the Dems themselves.

    415. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #420- CDM
      Have the trolls commented on their losing another House seat–IA CD-2– yesterday by 6 votes? Their beloved San Fran Nan Pelosi could be politically no more before Trump’s 2nd Inaugural on January 20th.

    416. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #422- jai
      No. Next question!

    417. Country Dick Montana says:

      San Fran Man probably doesn’t have much to worry about. Who becomes House Speaker
      Now that so called “moderates” like Lamb and Spanberger know they can win, they will be voting for her.

      Keep believing that Trump somehow pulls a royal straight flush while holding a 2. But I love your opitmism and enthusiasm.

    418. Wes says:

      Pelosi will be Speaker in January. She will not be Speaker–because Dems will no longer hold a House majority–on 1-3-23.

    419. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Wes
      Who would you like to have as the NC GOP candidate in 2022 to replace Senator Burr? Who will the Democrats nominate?

    420. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #426 & 427
      Not so fast, gentlemen! Come January, the House Democrats may have as few as 222 sitting CongressCreatures and then subtract 1-3 open Dem. seats for House members headed to the Biden Administration.

    421. Gordon Allen says:

      Check power line report on a poll taken of 1000 Biden voters where 17% would have changed their vote had they known of any of a half dozen issues re Biden, including the involvement in the Hunter Ukraine/ China ” fundraising”. Literally had never heard of it. The MSM blackout on bad news for Biden was unprecedented- and effective.
      Should count as part of the ” steal” of the election. In any normal time Trump would have won a landslide.

    422. mnw says:

      I un-bookmarked FOX today, & added both Newsmax & OANN.

      I also watched a 6-minute, one-on-one OANN interview with Loeffler, featuring such tough questions as, “Before we finish, is there anything else you want Georgia voters to know about your candidacy, Senator?”

      Loeffler is one of the clumsiest, least natural politicians I’ve ever seen. Just no feel for it whatever. She seems tense & scripted. And this with an interviewer who virtually begged to kiss her hand, too.

      She has no more of a southern accent than Mitt Romney or Bernie Sanders, btw. Not a trace of one.

      On the content side, she quotes Warnock as having said that “gun owners are crazy people,” & that Americans “should repent for the Second Amendment.”

      Warnock has certainly given her a lot of material to work with.

    423. Wes says:

      It’s hard to say on either count, Sheep.

      Cooper won’t run on the Dem side, so Stein might be their best bet. After Stein, candidate quality for the Dems takes a steep dive off a cliff.

      For the GOP, personally I’d like to see Hudson take a stab at it. Republicans have a number of A- or B+ potential candidates, but I can’t think of any A+ Candidates at the moment unless McCrory has rehabbed his image after the “Bathroom Bill” debacle.

    424. Wes says:

      Sheep, if Dems are down to 222 seats on 1-3-21 but lose 3 to the Biden Administration, then two things:

      1) They won’t leave the House till after Biden takes office.

      2) That’s still enough votes for Pelosi to become Speaker.

    425. mnw says:

      426 CDM

      That is certainly NOT the lesson I would draw from the election if I were Lamb or Spanberger!

    426. Tgca says:

      430

      There’s two thoughts of school on this. Either Dem supporters are ignorant and have not a clue or interest in educating themselves or they’re sooooo busy with their lives they had no time to tune into the debates where Trump brought up the issue numerous times for them to have ample time to go and research it.

    427. mnw says:

      NYT, 11/28:

      “How Democrats Suffered Crushing Down-Ballot Losses Across America” I don’t think DEMs perceive the election the way CDM & jason do. Anybody but them think the DEMs are giddy with delight right now?

    428. Wes says:

      Not at all, Mnw. They thought 2020 was going to set them up for electoral glory in perpetuity. They know what’s going to happen in 2022 with Biden in office. They’re just hoping to pull off a miracle in GA to give them some chance of enacting their agenda.

      Things are not, however, on their side.

    429. Gordon Allen says:

      435. Both. But even cursory coverage from the msm might have dented some of the ignorance. But the Democrat’s/ MSM are fully aware that the ” low information voters are principally Democrat’s and Democrat leaning ” independents”.

    430. Tgca says:

      This is interesting. Matt Braynard, the data analyst with experience in election polling and consulting states the FBI has contacted him and wants to see his data on voter fraud he has been putting together on the 2020 election.

      For some background, some of the info he has shared showed numerous voter irregularities with out-of-state voting in close districts, as well as other anomalies with respect to who requested and sent in voter data. His team has actually been calling voters and documenting evidence with folks claiming they did not ask for VBM or cast ballots shown to be cast in their names.

      They did 6 different tests using state data and came up with irregularities greater than the margin of the Biden win in key states. This is based on actual raw data counts from states and not statistical projections and probabilities in these cases.

      https://twitter.com/MattBraynard/status/1333042159981912067

    431. Tgca says:

      From what I’ve seen of the various Matt Braynard discussions and claims the past few weeks, and assuming his analysis of the state’s raw data is accurate, my guess is the FBI may be interested in knowing if folks purposely voted in one or more states illegally and may look to prosecute them.

      I doubt the FBI is trying to take sides here but are instead looking at his data to see if he did some of the work for them and they can easily go after folks to make some examples so they can claim they’re unbiased and doing their job.

      The problem is if there are really thousands of these examples in 6 states Braynard looked at, will the FBI put resources to look at thousands of potential crimes?

    432. jason says:

      it does not matter if jason votes if his vote won’t be counted

      there is a reason the ussr had elections and made people vote

      if few people vote the election is an open sham

      but if most people vote and the establishment choice just happens to win

      they can claim it was the will of the people

      so it is better to not vote, plus the added bonus of no jury duty”

      lisab is making a lot more sense than Bitter.

      Who wouda thunk?

      But actually Bitter knows my decision is really not about the election being stolen, but about no longer participating in a process where the die has been cast.

    433. jason says:

      A utopian socialist does not want alleged conservatives to vote. Got it.”

      Did Bitter just call me an “alleged” conservative?

      I love the sweet smell of points in the morning.

    434. jason says:

      I un-bookmarked FOX today, & added both Newsmax & OANN.”

      I have been watching a little of Newsmax and OAN

      They don’t have enough content yet so the coverage is still too repetitive, but they have improved markedly in the last few months.

    435. jason says:

      Loeffler is one of the clumsiest, least natural politicians I’ve ever seen. Just no feel for it whatever. She seems tense & scripted. And this with an interviewer who virtually begged to kiss her hand, too.

      She has no more of a southern accent than Mitt Romney or Bernie Sanders, btw. Not a trace of one.”

      mnw seems upset Loeffler is not a deadender.

    436. Tgca says:

      445

      So we have two opposite ends of the spectrum here with respect to southern accents.

      Bitter thinks folks with southern accents are IGORENT phony hicks that irk him and don’t deserve the time of day…

      …and now…

      …MNW thinks you’re not intelligent and capable without a southern drawl and that irks him.

      Who is right? Who is wrong?

      Both can’t be true…or can they? Hmmm…

      Perhaps an impartial observer like Wes from the Crispy Creme state can weigh in on this matter.

    437. RB says:

      RCP has called IA-02 and CA-25 for the GOP

    438. jaichind says:

      447. I think NY-22 is the only one left that is up for grabs. So it will be 222-213 or 223-212.

    439. jason says:

      Let’s be real, mnw is upset Collins got crushed by Loeffler.

      No, he would most certainly lose the seat but at least we would have a “true conservative” running.

    440. mnw says:

      If I was REALLY “upset” that Loeffler is “not a deadender,” like jason is, then I suppose I wouldn’t have donated to her campaign, would I?

      I’m MORE upset that Loeffler & her trillionaire hubby have contributed tonnes of money to the likes of HRC, Chris Dodd, Debbie Stabenow, & Mitt Romney. And also to some GA DEM congressman I never heard of. (Admittedly they gave a lot more to Republicans, but SO WHAT?)

      I don’t give a damn that her accent immediately identifies her as a yankee*. I just think it’s not ideal for someone running in GA. Sherman; carpetbaggers, etc.

      *(from Bloomington, IL.)

    441. jason says:

      “So it will be 222-213 or 223-212”

      So the Dems win the House, Pelosi will be speaker, she will have enough votes to pass any crazy left wing squad sponsored legislation (don’t be fooled, if you think “moderates” like Connor Lamb are really going to have any influence you are a sucker).

      What a great “win”!

    442. Tgca says:

      448

      Yep. So without redistricting, the GOP needs only to pick up 5 or 6 seats to take control of the House in 2022 and they have history on their side in that effort, all else equal.

      Without redistricting, it may come down to one or two seats the GOP needs to pick up in 2022 to gain control of the House, we shall see.

      However, somehow Nancy claims she has a mandate after the 2020 election.

    443. jason says:

      (Admittedly they gave a lot more to Republicans, but SO WHAT?)”

      LOL

    444. jason says:

      However, somehow Nancy claims she has a mandate after the 2020 election.”

      She does.

    445. jason says:

      then I suppose I wouldn’t have donated to her campaign, would I? ”

      If you did contribute to her campaign BEFORE the runoff, then I take back by comment.

      However, if you contributed to Collins, who would have thrown the seat away, then it stands.

    446. Tgca says:

      If the GOP keeps the senate and doesn’t have any defectors like Romney and Murkowski, the House becomes irrelevant in terms of passing legislation. The control will all be with Mitchy boy. I’m not sure he’s gonna be so eager to work with Biden and Kamala after what both have tried to do to him and others in the senate races. He can slow walk everything and tie it up in conference too.

      Biden can lead by executive order and the GOP can sue them in the courts. If I remember correctly, Obama EO were the most ever overturned by the courts so with 200+ GOP appointed jurists, this may challenge Biden’s EO capacity a bit.

    447. jason says:

      I’m MORE upset that Loeffler & her trillionaire hubby have contributed tonnes of money to the likes of HRC, Chris Dodd, Debbie Stabenow, & Mitt Romney.”

      When I pointed out here for months that Trump contributed more to Dems than to Rs, I was told it didn’t matter at all.

      But I am sure you were one of the ones that agreed with me that it DID matter.

    448. mnw says:

      I already told you I contributed to Collins. Do you have a memory problem, jason? Unlike YOU, I don’t pick up the ball & go home when my preferred candidate loses a GOP primary.

    449. CamRep says:

      Pledge to the President—

      I will not vote in Elections that are not clean.

      I will not vote for Candidates who do not support the President and His Righteous Fight for America and against Socialism

      I will not yield to those who say it is my “duty” to support a corrupt system

      I will not allow others to tell me what to do with my Body

      I will not give credence to those who question Him

      I will not give in to America’s Enemies.

      Who is Brave enough to take this Pledge? Share this!!!! Pledge this!!!

    450. mnw says:

      I was distressed enuf about Trump’s donations to DEMs that I opposed him in the GOP primaries. And after he was nominated, I supported him yuugely… unlike YOU, jason.

      That’s why you always talk about deadenders, because u r the operational definition of a deadender!

    451. CamRep says:

      The Georgia GOP has betrayed Trump. In doing so, they have betrayed us.

      Take the Pledge! I will not support the traitors Kemp, Loeffler and Purdue with my dollars. I will not go to the poles. For them or for any other “Republican” candidate. Until our Corrupt Election System is Purged!!!! Enough is enough!

      Take the Pledge!!

    452. jason says:

      “I already told you I contributed to Collins.”

      So you admit you really had no interest in winning the seat.

    453. CamRep says:

      We will NOT be silenced! We will NOT let our votes bring legitimization to Corrupt System! If We do not vote they will not be Stolen!

    454. jason says:

      Collins got crushed by Loeffler by GOP voters.

      Loeffler is much more likely to get the moderate/ Indy vote than Collins.

      Since Loeffler is no give me against Warnock, Collins would have no chance.

    455. CamRep says:

      I’m the offspring that results after my mom got a c_m dump by the high school football team behind the stadium dumpsters after finally winning a game. I got the syphilis face to prove it but at least I have 20 different guys I can call dad.

    456. jason says:

      mnw objects to Chemtrail Ward being called a moron, donates to Doug Collins, and supports Chris Kobach, a deadender who managed to lose to a Dem in the KS governor’s race because even Rs couldn’t stomach him, and tried desperately to do the same in the senate race.

      But I am the deadender. I love this place. I might give up politics, but I just can’t retire from HHR, at least not yet.

    457. Cam Rep. says:

      I am sorry the syphilis also affected my brain.

      Please don’t judge me, sh-t happens.

    458. Wes says:

      David Prowse–aka, Darth Vader–has passed.

      RIP.

    459. mnw says:

      jason

      The reason I stay here is because of your clever, unique, & highly original writing stye!

      You have typed “LOL” more than any other hundred posters in the universe. SOOOO clever! SOOO original, our li’l jason is. And of course, you’ve cornered the writer’s market on “Zzzz,” too. Because YOU are the wittiest guy in the world, aren’t you?

      Without your clever neologisms, such as “LOL” & “Zzzz,”I would’ve taken you for just a self-centered, arrogant, dull POS. But… not with that brilliant, razor-sharp way you have of expressing yourself, though!

      Tell us again why you declined to choose between Trump & HRC, won’t you? And be sure to include lots of LOLs & Zzzzzs, because that will make your stupidity even more apparent.

    460. Wes says:

      Jason v. Mnw.

      I need some popcorn for this.

    461. mnw says:

      Since the end of WWII, the presidential party has lost an average of 27 seats in off year elections. So flipping 5 or 6 hardly seems like an impossible dream for the GOP in 2022.

    462. John says:

      Biden Arrest Warrant! BOOOM

      https://archive.vn/ve8LG

      Youtube took the videodown (OF COURSE!). Check the archive link above. This is serious. No way can we allow this crook to steal the election.

    463. Country Dick Montana says:

      472-Idiot troll

    464. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Not only do Libertarians cost the GOP elections ie 2020 IA CD-3 and Tester’s MT Senate seat twice, but in New Jersey they have an anti- USA current. To wit:

      “The chairwoman of the New Jersey Libertarian Party was arrested for providing material support to terrorists.”

      https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/pr/sussex-county-woman-charged-concealing-terrorist-financing-syrian-al-nusra-front-foreign

    465. jason says:

      Tell us again why you declined to choose between Trump & HRC”

      Zzzzzz…. (so happy it irritates you).

      I didn’t think either one was fit for the office of President.

      I was wrong about Trump, and have readily admitted it.

      And for an attorney, you are no great writer, btw.

      You are the king of the shallow, hackneyed, trite and inane posts with the same meme over and over.

      So before you cast stones on any of my posts, reread some of yours. Actually, don’t bother. Just read one, that will be representative.

      Have you EVER admitted to being wrong to support all the moron deadenders you love?

      No?

      Didn’t think so.

    466. jason says:

      Without your clever neologisms,”

      Wow, mnw knows what neologism is?

      Who knew?

    467. Tgca says:

      476

      I knew what “neologism” meant but then again, I know everything because I’m an EXPERT on all things except for all things gay, please see LisaB on that.

    468. Tgca says:

      If this is true, then Dominion needs to be hauled into congressional hearings ASAP and perhaps fire this employee.

      Is it coincidence that 3,000 uncounted mostly Trump ballots in GA missed by this Dominion employee while no oversight by others when he was scanning them into the machines also worked for Kamala Harris campaign? Really?

      …and then he’s posting complaints about recounts and bashing Trump before the election but he gets to sit in a room alone and count votes.

      Gimme a f*cking break! If that is not a major conflict of interest, then what is?

      Why do we keep having all these coincidences?

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/dominion-rep-scanned-ballots-georgia-county-thousands-trump-votes-uncounted-also-worked-kamala-harris/

    469. JeffP says:

      Georgia is hot mess…that Gov better get his sheot together fast.

    470. PresidentPaul! says:

      Michael Flynn Says Coup Against Trump Still In Progress In First Public Remarks Since Pardon

      https://www.zerohedge.com/political/michael-flynn-says-coup-against-trump-still-progress-first-public-remarks-pardon

    471. Tgca says:

      So let me get this straight.

      A day camp for kids on the family farm of actress Jennifer Lawrence that’s been in the family for years, long before her fame, and run by her brother, sustained damage in a barn fire and they’re seeking donations to replace the damages during this economic time when his sister is worth $130M+

      Is it me or do the optics look bad here?

      It’s a family business so why should you seek funds from the public when your sister could rebuild the barn hundreds of times over with her net worth?

      https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/29/jennifer-lawrence-family-summer-camp-farm-hi-ho-fire-barn/

    472. Gordon Allen says:

      Interesting ruling by Georgia judge in freezing in place Dominion voting machines. Must mean he saw some ” evidence” to support that.

    473. Bitterlaw says:

      446 Pure BS. I do not think Southerners are stupid. I do not like their accents. Both can be true.

    474. Pitchaboy says:

      Dems got whacked in House seats and state legislature s across the country but magically won the WH as people in millions just voted for SloJo. Nothing to see here. Easily explained.

    475. Country Dick Montana says:

      483 – He also misspelled Krispy Kreme.

    476. Bitterlaw says:

      I would give Jason points for neologisms but that just involves too much work. I had to look it up to be certain mnw used it correctly.

    477. Country Dick Montana says:

      “I would give Jason points for neologisms”

      I am not sure what they are, but am pretty sure that I had one removed from my back. Luckily it was benign.

    478. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Aaron Booth is besides himself with the gaffe made by Jon Ossoff(D-GA) this morning on CNN. Other Libs are also upset.

      https://twitchy.com/jacobb-38/2020/11/29/are-things-that-desperate-senate-candidate-jon-ossoff-just-went-there-with-bernie-sanders-and-health-care/

    479. Tgca says:

      483

      Bitter HATES Southerners!!!

      This is undisputed! Just like GWB hates black people. We all know these things.

      The sound of a southern drawl makes him cringe while the ghastly white trash guttural utterance of Philly and Joisey improper enunciation is music to his ears.

      Go figure!

    480. Chicon says:

      Biden is considering Cindy McCain for Ambassador to the UK, as a reward for helping Joe win AZ. Would her late husband approve?

    481. Tgca says:

      490

      Yes! Mac was a vindictive petty man at times and I bet he would have joined Mitt in impeachment vote as well as endorsing Biden over Trump. Just who he was.

    482. Chicon says:

      Well, the Bears are about to get jacked up by the Packers again. I should have gone the Jason route on the NFL so I wouldn’t care.

    483. jason says:

      I would give Jason points for neologisms but that just involves too much work.”

      Lazy bastard.

    484. jason says:

      I hear the Broncos were told by the NFL they couldn’t use ANY of their QBs in the game against the Saints.

      The NFL is a joke.

    485. jason says:

      Biden is considering Cindy McCain for Ambassador to the UK, as a reward for helping Joe win AZ. Would her late husband approve?”

      That attack on McCain’s military service is still bringing dividends….

    486. jason says:

      Had the election just hinged on AZ, as it well could have with 10k more votes in GA and 20k more in WI, Trump could have lost the election for that one stupid comment.

      And considering how many people it turned off nationally, maybe it did cost him the election.

    487. CamRep says:

      The FBI and Hugo Chavez collaborated to steal this Election!

      Overturn the Results! And extend His first term by 4 more years to make up for the persecution He faced!!!

    488. PresidentPaul! says:

      We should make a deal with Taiwan to just abandon the island along with blowing up taiwanese semiconductor and all other infrastructure before the island is fully taken, and in exchange they would get US citizenship.

    489. Tgca says:

      496

      BS! Trump increased his 2020 AZ votes by like 400K over 2016. It had nothing to do with his comments on Mac, otherwise, why did he win AZ in 2016 but not in 2020. Makes no sense.

    490. PresidentPaul! says:

      Wonder if Biden will focus on Taiwan or if he will spend the next 4 years imaging Russian conspiracies.

    491. Rachel says:

      Chuck Woolery
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      ?Verified account
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      @chuckwoolery
      Follow Follow @chuckwoolery

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      AG Barr Calls Emergency Meeting With Trump after Major Discovery

      Barr Calls Emergency Meeting With Trump… Shock Discovery
      We all feared this.
      conservativebrief.com
      4:12 PM – 29 Nov 2020

    492. Cash Cow TM says:

      Rachel is a goose.

    493. CamRep says:

      Why is Adam Kinzinger even in the Republican Party anymore?! He showed his disloyalty to Trump long ago. And continues to do so.

      Purge these heretics!!! They are the Enemies of the People!!!

    494. sane_voter says:

      That Barr meeting refers to an article from September. Real up-to-the minute stuff LOL

    495. Chicon says:

      504 – a gelt goose.

    496. jason says:

      AG Barr Calls Emergency Meeting With Trump after Major Discovery”

      Rumor is there is a major oil deposit under Trump Tower.

    497. jason says:

      t had nothing to do with his comments on Mac, otherwise, why did he win AZ in 2016 but not in 2020. Makes no sense.”

      Eat some animal protein and focus, man.

      Cindy McCain did not endorse Hillary, she endorsed Biden.

      In any case, just a hypothetical, I don’t know if she has any influence, but with a 10k vote difference…..

    498. Tgca says:

      509

      Cindy McCain endorsing Biden says everything you need to know about her. Maybe she can hook up with Mitt Romney now that her husband is gone.

      Her endorsement is a great way to step on her husbands legacy since Biden’s policies would be against all McCain fought for in his career. Maybe she can register as a Democrat now that her husband is dead and go the Teresa Heinz route.

      It also appears she may now have bought that endorsement with the promise of an ambassadorship. Now that does sound like something Mitt would do too.

      It says more about her then it does Trump or anyone else that she would sell her soul to be part of and actively advocate for an administration that is hellbent on changing the fabric of our nation and coddling up to socialists and communists.

      If Biden and team succeed in making America a socialist puppet, we have Cindy McCain in part to thank for that, as she will have done her part to advance that agenda as his supporter and future ambassador.

    499. Cletus says:

      FACT: Most of Trump’s “votes” were DUMPED in narrow windows between 9 PM and 12 AM…a three-hour period.

      Do they seriously expect us to believe that tens of millions of votes were counted and then reported over such a narrow window? How were the votes “counted” so fast? Why were they dumped together so suspiciously?!! This is illegal!

    500. jachind says:

      I think a fair way to go about these middle of the night Biden 90-95 vote dumps are to

      a) Take those dumps and split them out by precincts they are associated with and then separate them out by in day vote, early vote, and VBM.
      b) Then we should take those votes and compare them on a precinct by precinct basis to the in day vote.
      c) We should do this analysis and comparison for ALL precinct across the USA and not just for the battleground states (PA GA AZ MI WI).
      d) We know that VBM will be biased in favor of Biden but the gap should not be astronomical. If VBM for a precinct is 90-10 Biden and the election day vote is 65-35 Biden then I will mostly accept 90-10 as reasonable. If the VBM for a precinct is 90-10 Biden and the election day vote is 55-45 Biden then I think something fishy is going on.

      Not sure why the Trump campaign is not doing this and showing the results.

    501. Pitchaboy says:

      Theoretical math won’t work in the court of public opinion. You got to show more people voted than registered to vote or laws like matching signatures or sending ballots without request were broken.

    502. Tgca says:

      513

      Agreed! You have to dumb it down for the stoopid @ss bishes!

      The public will not take the time to dig into all the nuances. You have to show there is evidence of irregular or illegal voting and provide numbers of events in very simple terms that even folks like Jadon can understand.

      1. People voted after moving out of state
      2. People voted more than once
      3. Dead people and pets voted
      4. People who claim they did not request ballots or submit votes as the counted votes show
      5. Ballot harvesting where it was illegal, especially in retirement homes where significant votes resulted
      6. Folks were given money or gifts for their votes
      7. Turn out in areas significantly exceeded reasonable expectations or registered voters
      8. Timing of significant votes in a prescribed timeframe that do not make sense or evidence shows the machines cannot process such quantity in that timeframe
      9. Affidavits under risk of perjury of witnesses who claim to have seen improper or voter fraud

      These are a few of my favorite voting fraud things.

    503. Gordon Allen says:

      TGCA: agree with every thing on the list. The issue is that our system,under the time constraints present,is not suited to reverse fraud on this scale. Evidentiary trials could go into early spring to take in all the evidence etc. We don’t have that time. The election integrity apparatus in various Democratic states won’t help,as they’re part of the system creating the fraud ( think Fox guarding chicken coop).

    504. jason says:

      So much for the theory that the ” down-ballot GOP did better than Trump”, and that a lot of people that voted R didn’t vote for Trump.

      “First of all, the notion that down-ballot Republicans greatly outperformed President Trump is inaccurate. Senate Republicans will hold at least 50 Senate seats in January (with two Georgia races heading to a runoff on January 5), but there is only one state in the country in which Trump lost and a GOP Senate candidate won: Maine. Susan Collins won by eight points even as Trump lost the state by nine points. No one expected a blowout for Collins, but she was widely expected to run far ahead of Trump. In 2008, she won reelection by 23 points even as John McCain lost the state by 17 points.

      Almost everywhere else, Trump and the GOP Senate candidates ran closely together.

      In Arizona, Trump lost by 0.3 points; Republican Martha McSally lost by 2.4 points

      In Michigan, Trump lost by 2.8 points; Republican John James lost by 1.7 points.

      In North Carolina, Trump won by 1.3 points; Republican Thom Tillis won by 1.8 points.

      In Iowa, Trump won by 8.3 points; Republican Joni Ernst won by 6.6 points.

      In Colorado, Trump lost by 13.5 points; Republican Cory Gardner lost by 9.3 points.

      In Georgia, Trump lost by 0.25 points; Republican David Perdue bested his Democratic opponent by 1.8 points as the race headed to a runoff.

      The same pattern played out in red states — Montana, Kansas, South Carolina, Alaska, and Texas — where Trump and Senate Republican candidates won by a wide margin.

      There was actually much less ticket-splitting between the 2020 Senate and presidential races than there was in 2016 or 2012.

      In 2012, Mitt Romney won four red states by double digits — Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, and Indiana — where a Republican Senate candidate lost.

      In 2016, Republican Senate candidates ran ahead of Trump almost everywhere, in many cases by a big margin. Consider the margin of victory of Trump and GOP Senate candidates in the following 2016 battleground states:

      Arizona: Trump+3.5; McCain+12.9

      North Carolina: Trump+3.6; Burr+5.7

      Florida: Trump+1.2; Rubio+7.7

      Iowa: Trump+9.4; Grassley+24.5

      Ohio: Trump+8.1; Portman+20.8

      Wisconsin: Trump+0.8; Johnson+3.4

      Georgia: Trump+5.1; Isakson+13.8

      What about the down-ballot House races in 2020? Much has been made of the fact that Republicans greatly exceeded expectations. Before the election, the Cook Political Report rated 27 races as toss-ups, and Republicans won 25 of them with the final two toss-up races (in Iowa and New York) not yet called and coming down to a literal handful of votes.

      But there is a difference between greatly exceeding expectations and objectively doing great. And the performance of House Republicans — gaining seats after the 2018 blowout but falling short of a majority — is not objectively that great.”

    505. JeffS says:

      Oh, how it began to unravel
      When RBG banged her last gavel

    506. jason says:

      Tgca makes a great case in #510 on why Trump should never have make his asinine attack on McCain’s military service.

    507. jason says:

      1. People voted after moving out of state
      2. People voted more than once
      3. Dead people and pets voted
      4. People who claim they did not request ballots or submit votes as the counted votes show
      5. Ballot harvesting where it was illegal, especially in retirement homes where significant votes resulted
      6. Folks were given money or gifts for their votes
      7. Turn out in areas significantly exceeded reasonable expectations or registered voters
      8. Timing of significant votes in a prescribed timeframe that do not make sense or evidence shows the machines cannot process such quantity in that timeframe
      9. Affidavits under risk of perjury of witnesses who claim to have seen improper or voter fraud
      10. Barring accredited R vote monitors from witnessing the count
      11. Signature matching ignored in many areas
      12. Significant amount of “Biden only” ballots congregated in some precincts

    508. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      This is not the way a USA election should be run. Now that votes have been “unearthed” for Tenney(R) in the NY CD-22 race, she should insist that the BS be stopped and she declared the winner!

      NEW(H/T:RRH): The Herkimer County BOE has apparently revised its final, unofficial count.
      @claudiatenney
      (R) nets 35 votes,
      @RepBrindisi
      (D) 10.

      In the latest twist and turn in this race, Tenney once again leads by 12 votes in #NY22

    509. jaichind says:

      520. This is turning into a spy vs spy game on which side can hide more votes to be revealed at the last moment.

    510. jaichind says:

      513. I agree. Problem is those evidence seems to be scant. Theoretical evidence at least allows us to invest in the right places to find the fraud.

    511. jason says:

      Problem is those evidence seems to be scant. ”

      “Evidence is scant” is MSM propaganda.

      Actually, the evidence is overwhelming.

      Affidavits are evidence. There are affidavits that support almost all of those fraud allegations.

      Statistical data is evidence. There is more than enough statistical anomalies to support fraud allegations.

      Nothing “scant” about it.

    512. jason says:

      520. This is turning into a spy vs spy game on which side can hide more votes to be revealed at the last moment.”

      Actually this is a good point.

      Maybe it is time R counties start playing this game too.

    513. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      jai & jason
      YES, release the Kraken in NY CD-22!!!

    514. jason says:

      If you look at the pattern of elections that were blatantly stolen by Ds, like Norm Coleman in MN and Dino Rossi in WA, just to mention two, the “found” votes are ALWAYS in deep blue D counties.

    515. jason says:

      I thought this Dem judge in NY might not be such a partisan hack because his bio says he is a local business owner, hunter, churchgoer, etc.

      Wrong. Partisan hack.

    516. jason says:

      In order to give Brindisi the win, he had to have validated votes for Brindisi that were already determined not to be valid by the county boards under the current uniform standards.

    517. jason says:

      It is an important seat.

      There are very few “slightly less moonbat” Dems in the Dem caucus. Maybe only 4 or 5.

      At 213 R seats, Pelosi might have to negotiate with 5 such Dems on the most left wing agenda items. The likelihood that will happen diminishes greatly with each seat.

      Not that anything that eventually is agreed to won’t be terrible legislation.

    518. jason says:

      Wild swing for NY22 at Predictit.

      R gained 20 pts, Dem lost 18 pts.

    519. jason says:

      Is everyone asleep?

      Maybe mnw can entertain us with an erudite, cogent, scholarly, percipient and astute defense of deadender Chris Kobach so I can come up with the appropriate neologism in return.

    520. mnw says:

      You’re a fool. GFY.

      “LOL! Zzzz!”

    521. jaichind says:

      530. Hopefully that prices takes into account of the fact that if there is a deadlock the Full House gets to select the person to be seated which will be the Dem candidate, of course.

    522. jason says:

      Is “hey Ma, good bait” a neologism?

    523. jaichind says:

      524. Everyone is just copying what “Landslide” Johnson LBJ did in the 1948 TX Dem primary runoff where his team produced a bunch of votes last minute to win by 87 votes.

    524. jason says:

      Wow…Robbie scumbag hardest hit. Even 20% of Dems say it is very likely Biden stole the election.

      “Forty-seven percent (47%) say it’s likely that Democrats stole votes or destroyed pro-Trump ballots in several states to ensure that Biden would win, but 50% disagree. This includes 36% who say it’s Very Likely and 41% who consider it Not At All Likely.”

      How likely is it that Democrats stole votes or destroyed pro-Trump ballots in several states to ensure that Biden would win?”

      Democrats – 30% – 20% say Very Likely (VL)
      Unaffiliated – 39% – 29% say VL
      Republicans – 75% – 61% say VL
      All Voters – 47% – 36% say VL”

    525. Tgca says:

      531

      Erudite
      Cogent
      Percipient
      Astute

      Oh my! Jadon just can’t stop talking about me even when I’m not around.

      You’re embarrassing me now. Stop it!!!

      I think he may have forgotten a few other words that also best describe me like:

      Scholarly
      Adroit
      Prescient
      Sagacious
      Consummate
      Perspicacious
      Bravura
      Omniscient
      Wunderkind
      Sapient

    526. jason says:

      Even if Trump ends up leaving office, the campaign to expose the fraud will bring about some positive results.

      It will further delegitimize Biden’s “win” and further cast doubt on the fraud ridden VBM system.

      That is why Trump, and any person who claims to be a conservative or a Republican, should resist “moving on”.

    527. Tgca says:

      519

      Oh Jadon! Come on’ man!

      For a moment I thought this was a Biden post. Clearly, plagiarized from 514.

    528. jason says:

      Tgca is one lucky dude.’

      In love with himself and not a rival on earth.

    529. jason says:

      For a moment I thought this was a Biden post. Clearly, plagiarized from 514.”

      I just added a few items to your list, which was very good.

      Now GFY.

    530. jason says:

      Not sure if GFY is a neologism or not.

      I will continue to use it under advisement. Once the issue is resolved, I will continue to use it anyway.

    531. Phil says:

      Wait. Half the country believes there was massive election fraud? Don’t worry, Quinnipiac should be out with a poll any day now showing 91% believe the election was totally fair. It will be confirmed by a poll from CNN. LOL.

    532. Wobbles aka Sergeant Shultz says:

      I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing.

    533. jason says:

      Be careful with the LOL, Phil.

      mnw has ruled this is a neologism, and he is under the severe delusion that anyone cares.

      He wants to suggest you use “After careful consideration, I have determined this to be extremely amusing” in the future.

    534. jaichind says:

      536. Does not not just reflect the collapse of trust in institutions and the pollical class. I think a similar survey in 2017 or 2018 of voters would have a majority believing that Trump colluded with Russians to win 2016 with a significant minority of GOP voters also believing in that theory.

    535. Pitchaboy says:

      Majority never believed the Russians hijacked the election. They did believe they meddled. This is a different ballgame.

    536. jason says:

      536. Does not not just reflect the collapse of trust in institutions and the pollical class.”

      No.

      There has never been this kind of level of confidence that a Presidential election has been stolen.

      Not even close.

    537. jason says:

      But hopefully reflects some collapse of the influence of the MSM.

      The MSM has been screaming “no evidence” for weeks. Outside of Robbie and the trolls, certainly nobody here really believes there is no evidence.

      Imagine what these numbers would look like if the MSM was not biased and partisan and actually investigated the fraud evidence.

    538. jason says:

      The latest from CD-22.

      If you can believe a news outlet that can’t spell received correctly.

      https://wbng.com/2020/11/30/revised-numbers-tenney-leads-brindisi-by-12-votes-in-race-for-ny-22/

    539. jaichind says:

      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-poll/despite-report-findings-almost-half-of-americans-think-trump-colluded-with-russia-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKCN1R72S0

      From early 2019

      Despite report findings, almost half of Americans think Trump colluded with Russia: Reuters/Ipsos poll

    540. Pitchaboy says:

      Reuters and Q polls: they will find democrats in Botswana.

    541. Pitchaboy says:

      Even they couldn’t find 20% of R to say 2016 was stolen. Colluding and stealing are night and day.

    542. jaichind says:

      516
      GOP Congressional vs Trump margins in “battleground” states.

      GA: 2.0% vs -0.3%
      WI: 3.0% vs -0.6%
      PA: 1.2% vs -1.2%
      AZ: 0.3% vs -0.3%
      IA: 5.9% vs 8.2%
      NC: 2.5% vs 1.3% (NC-12 I made some assumptions on results had it been contested)
      MI:-1.3% vs -2.8%
      OH:13.8% vs 8.0%
      TX: 7.4% vs 5.6%
      FL: 4.3% vs 3.4% (FL-2, FL-25 I made some assumptions on results had it been contested)
      NV:-2.3% vs -2.4%
      CO:-9.5% vs -13.5%
      NH:-7.6% vs -7.4%
      VA:-8.0% vs -10.1%
      MN:-2.6% vs -7.1%

      1) GOP congressional margin outperforms Trump margins everywhere except for IA.
      2) NV is a draw but that is because Independent American party won a bunch of votes which most would have gone GOP congressional.
      3) NH is also a draw.
      4) AZ actually is quite close which debunks the argument that Trump’s comments about McCain cost him AZ.
      5) MN gap is quite large but that most likely is because Cannabis parties won a bunch of Congressional votes that would otherwise went to Congressional Dems

    543. jason says:

      My God, he shows a pulse.

      Mon, November 30, 2020, 11:15 AM EST

      (Reuters) – Election authorities in Georgia have opened investigations into progressive groups trying to sign up new voters in advance of twin January elections that will determine control of the U.S. Senate, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said on Monday.

      Raffensperger, a Republican, said his office was examining registration efforts by America Votes, Vote Forward and the New Georgia Project. He said some groups had been encouraging people who lived outside Georgia to register to vote in the state.

      “These third-party groups have a responsibility to not encourage illegal voting. If they do so, they will be held responsible,” Raffensperger said.

    544. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      There was an important hearing at the SCOTUS this morning. It will affect the Census and ultimately, redistricting.
      I cannot find a link to gauge how things went. Can anyone provide a link? Thanks.

    545. jason says:

      GOP Congressional vs Trump margins in “battleground” states.”

      Apples and oranges. Congressional races have much more local factors than a state wide race such as the Senate.

      That is why the Senate races would be much more accurate to determine if Trump was really running behind the GOP.

      “First of all, the notion that down-ballot Republicans greatly outperformed President Trump is inaccurate. Senate Republicans will hold at least 50 Senate seats in January (with two Georgia races heading to a runoff on January 5), but there is only one state in the country in which Trump lost and a GOP Senate candidate won: Maine. Susan Collins won by eight points even as Trump lost the state by nine points. No one expected a blowout for Collins, but she was widely expected to run far ahead of Trump. In 2008, she won reelection by 23 points even as John McCain lost the state by 17 points.

      Almost everywhere else, Trump and the GOP Senate candidates ran closely together.”

    546. jason says:

      Despite report findings, almost half of Americans think Trump colluded with Russia: Reuters/Ipsos poll”

      Again, fake equivalency, apples and oranges.

      You have to compare the same issue. “Collusion” can mean anything, a general term. “Election fraud” is a much more specific and understandable concept.

      There were a few Dems that thought Trump stole the election. Nothing like 80%. Nothing like 20% of Rs agreeing. Nothing like 40% of Indies.

    547. Wes says:

      I’ve said before the fact that Dems are encouraging out-of-state voting in GA in contravention of state law reflects weakness on the Dems’ part and undermines Matt Towery’s claim that GA Dems are better organized than Republicans.

      If Republicans weren’t favored to win the seats, then Dems wouldn’t be pushing for temporary voters in the state.

    548. Tgca says:

      540

      I am not in love with myself! Ewww! That’s like incest. It is illogical to love oneself.

      It is also illogical to doubt that I’m an EXPERT on all things except all things gay (see LisaB our resident expert on all things gay).

    549. Tgca says:

      Dearest Wes,

      My good friend with a southern drawl detestable by some in the snobby northeast. I thought I read that the AA vote was down as a percentage in GA in the Nov election but not sure if that was actually the case. If so, then I don’t see how the Dems can energize its base to turn out in large numbers in a senate run-off in Jan but who knows?

    550. Phil says:

      Have to disagree, Wes. Democrats would be encouraging out of state voting regardless of organization. They are pulling out all the stops on this one. Their radical agenda is totally dependent on flipping the senate.

      They want these seats bad. Real bad.

      Also, expect huge fraud in Fulton and surrounding blue counties on election night and days after as well. The “Republican” secretary of state has proven he’s not a barrier to them doing whatever the hell they want to do.

    551. Wes says:

      From what I’ve read, Tg, black turnout in GA for the general was about 31% while black ballot requests for the runoffs are at 28%. If accurate, that means Dems are in trouble for the runoffs as Republicans did better than Dems cumulatively during the first round.

    552. jaichind says:

      557. I would make the argument that the congressional vote is closer to what a generic GOP vs generic Dem would look like. Name recognition is a lot lower in Congressional races so people are more likely to vote by party preference. Prez races have very high name recognition and Senate races somewhere in between.

    553. Wes says:

      555 paints a different picture from what you’re saying, Phil.

    554. Paul says:

      Jason,
      We’ve never had a president blatantly lie about an election being stolen either.

    555. Phil says:

      I know what the SOS is saying, Wes.

      Thing is, his actions so far speak otherwise. He went out of his way to appear on CNN and hail the election night count as above reproach. Completely skirted the fact that with every new update there were more and more votes outstanding.

      Think how popular he will be with his media buds if he allows Dems to get the senate. He will be an inside the beltway and media darling. Apparently that is important to him based on his appearance on CNN.

      I wouldn’t trust this guy as far as I can throw a car.

    556. Phil says:

      You will see Democrats pull every trick in the book in the runoff election knowing the media will run cover for them.

      Wes educated us on the viability of NC’s election counting. However, Georgia has already proven they aren’t NC or Florida as far as voting security. No state is that counts votes for days and days after the election is safe from fraud.

      Democrats will steal it in Fulton and the surrounding blue counties. As I said, they want it bad and they absolutely control things in Fulton County. It’s no different than Detroit, Philly, or Milwaukee.

    557. jason says:

      Finally, wish we had more CEOs defending capitalism instead of repeating the brainwashing dogma they learned in college.

      https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/11/30/whole-foods-ceo-john-makcey-puts-aoc-and-socialism-in-the-burn-ward-n287031

    558. jason says:

      Paul says:
      November 30, 2020 at 1:22 pm

      Jason,
      We’ve never had a president blatantly lie about an election being stolen either.”

      You are confused.

      We have never had an MSM cover for a stolen election as much as it does now.

      I am actually pleasantly surprised that many people have figured it out for themselves.

    559. jason says:

      I wouldn’t trust this guy as far as I can throw a car.”

      I didn’t say I trust him, he is a gutless wonder Never Trumper afraid of his own shadow.

      But he did order the investigation, that is a fact, so I said he showed a pulse.

      If he lets it be known investigations can and will occur, it tells us the fraudsters will have to be more careful this time around, and that is a positive.

    560. jason says:

      I hope some of the GOP counties in GA make a few “mistakes” undercounting votes for Loeffler and Perdue, so this time around when they find votes for Warnock and Ossof there might be a surprise on the other side.

    561. jason says:

      557. I would make the argument that the congressional vote is closer to what a generic GOP vs generic Dem would look like. ”

      It would be a bad argument.

      I would concede congressional election are now more nationalized than they were 30 or 40 years ago because in the past the chasm between the ideology of the parties was not as pronounced.

      But there is still a strong local component in congressional races, so a statewide Senate race would be more indicative if you want to do that kind of extrapolation.

    562. Dylan says:

      Loeffler and Perdue need to have prophylactic lawsuits filed NOW challenging any sniff of a shenanigan as they clearly cannot rely on the SOS to do his job to protect the integrity of the voter rolls. What are they waiting for?

    563. Wes says:

      Larry Hogan endorses Loeffler and Perdue:

      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/gov-hogan-vote-loeffler-perdue-to-uphold-moderation-and-compromise-in-the-us-senate

      It looks as if nationally from the White House down, Republicans are getting behind these two. That’s a solid benefit for THETA Senators.

    564. Wes says:

      “…the GA Senators…”

      I don’t know how Autocorrect got THETA out of that.

    565. Wes says:

      Honestly, Phil, given the carpet bombing Loeffler has thrown at Warnock and the fact that Ossoff is unequivocally reveling in Bernie Sanders’ endorsement, I don’t think the runoffs will be close enough for Dems to try to steal.

    566. Tgca says:

      576. Wes

      It’s your southern drawl. Autocorrect is not advanced enough yet to decipher it.

    567. jason says:

      Larry Hogan endorses Loeffler and Perdue”

      It is official.

      My llama Lupita also endorses Loeffler and Perdue.

      I showed her a picture of Ossof and Warnock and she spit at it.

      No, I didn’t show her a picture of Loeffler and Perdue because I think she already made her decision. If she had instead eaten the picture I could agree there could be some margin of doubt.

    568. jason says:

      I don’t know how Autocorrect got THETA out of that.”

      Dang, Wes really knows how to make us country folk feel inferior.

      His autocorrect speaks Greek…. sigh.

    569. jason says:

      Lest the trolls try to make an issue of this, Lupita is NOT racist.

      In fact, she has shown interest in several black llamas.

      No, I was not a bit jealous, GFYs.

    570. ssq says:

      Loeffler and Perdue need to have prophylactic lawsuits”

      Does this have anything to do with Trojan horses?

    571. Rudy G. says:

      HUGE Breaking nEws! Come to my presser in front of the Dildo and Beads superStore.

      I will show you all the proof and all the evidence!

      So much winning I’m gunnah cum.

    572. THETA senators says:

      We love Baklava.

    573. jason says:

      Was this posted? If so sorry, but pretty interesting.

      https://votepatternanalysis.substack.com/p/voting-anomalies-2020

    574. Rudy G. says:

      And dont you forget that more people voted in Detroit than there are people in the city! 100% FRAUD! Make sure to spread the word to your friends and neighbors.

    575. jason says:

      So, it is easy to say well this does not prove fraud.

      However, the statistical anomalies are so pronounced that fraud is the only explanation.

    576. jaichind says:

      585. But what the analysis says is ” If it can be shown by those with access to time-series county-level (or precinct-level) data that, for whichever counties or precincts reported in this update, that there were other updates (or other updates with mail-in ballots), then these results become almost impossible to believe.”

      Which is really my point that to prove or disprove these big pro-Biden vote dumps we need to link them to the precinct where they came from and look at how they match up with said precinct level results.

    577. Gordon Allen says:

      Jason. This ” no evidence of fraud” schtick is losing credibility. Completely. There’s plenty. It’s obvious now the courts are not the answer. It will come down to the intestinal fortitude of legislators. Having worked with them for four years directly,I am of little faith.
      The upside,if there is one,is that Biden will take office without any mandate,with at least half the people thinking
      he stole the election.
      At least that’s something.

    578. jason says:

      “With this report, we rely only on publicly available data from the New York Times to identify and analyze statistical anomalies in key states. Looking at 8,954 individual vote updates (differences in vote totals for each candidate between successive changes to the running vote totals, colloquially also referred to as “dumps” or “batches”), we discover a remarkably consistent mathematical property: there is a clear inverse relationship between difference in candidates’ vote counts and and the ratio of the vote counts. (In other words, it’s not surprising to see vote updates with large margins, and it’s not surprising to see vote updates with very large ratios of support between the candidates, but it is surprising to see vote updates which are both).

      The significance of this property will be further explained in later sections of this report. Nearly every vote update, across states of all sizes and political leanings follow this statistical pattern. A very small number, however, are especially aberrant. Of the seven vote updates which follow the pattern the least, four individual vote updates — two in Michigan, one in Wisconsin, and one in Georgia — were particularly anomalous and influential with respect to this property and all occurred within the same five hour window.

      In particular, we are able to quantify the extent of compliance with this property and discover that, of the 8,954 vote updates used in the analysis, these four decisive updates were the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 7th most anomalous updates in the entire data set. Not only does each of these vote updates not follow the generally observed pattern, but the anomalous behavior of these updates is particularly extreme. That is, these vote updates are outliers of the outliers.

      The four vote updates in question are:

      An update in Michigan listed as of 6:31AM Eastern Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 141,258 votes for Joe Biden and 5,968 votes for Donald Trump

      An update in Wisconsin listed as 3:42AM Central Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 143,379 votes for Joe Biden and 25,163 votes for Donald Trump

      A vote update in Georgia listed at 1:34AM Eastern Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 136,155 votes for Joe Biden and 29,115 votes for Donald Trump

      An update in Michigan listed as of 3:50AM Eastern Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 54,497 votes for Joe Biden and 4,718 votes for Donald Trump

      This report predicts what these vote updates would have looked like, had they followed the same pattern as the vast majority of the 8,950 others. We find that the extents of the respective anomalies here are more than the margin of victory in all three states — Michigan, Wisconsin, and Georgia — which collectively represent forty-two electoral votes.”

    579. Tgca says:

      GA SOS thinks Trump and his voters are being duped by these allegations of fraud in GA. He thinks folks, Sidney Powell and Lin Wood I assume, are playing on the emotions of Trump and his voters, giving them false hope I guess.

      Clearly, Sidney and Lin must be doing this so they can personally benefit from it and sell books.

      https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/raffensperger-holds-presser/

    580. jason says:

      Which is really my point that to prove or disprove these big pro-Biden vote dumps we need to link them to the precinct where they came from and look at how they match up with said precinct level results.”

      BS.

      I suppose you could assemble enough precincts as an exercise and get an 8-1 Biden ratio in WI.

      But the odds of that happening at random are impossibly small.

      “An update in Wisconsin listed as 3:42AM Central Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 143,379 votes for Joe Biden and 25,163 votes for Donald Trump”

      There is no county in WI that shows that kind of margin. Milwaukee was 3-1. Dane was 4-1. Nothing else comes close.

      If now you wanted to go precinct by precinct now and find some combination that would get you 143k votes vs 25k I am sure you could do it. There are probably inner city Milwaukee precincts that were 10-1. But did these exact precincts all dump at a certain time at random in the middle of the night? No.

    581. jason says:

      If someone is alive in a room with only one door and no windows, and I walk into it and come out 5 minutes later and the person inside has been strangled to death, jaichind would say there is no “evidence” I killed this person, because there is no blood or scratches on my hand and no witnesses to the strangling and nobody heard anything.

      A jury would think otherwise.

    582. jason says:

      Which is really my point that to prove or disprove these big pro-Biden vote dumps”

      All you have to do is show they are statistically improbable to such a degree that error or fraud is the only explanation. I think that has been done.

    583. Sexy Sydney Powell says:

      You guyz will buy my book?

      Oh yes YES YES OH YES! Don’t stop!

    584. Gordon Allen says:

      FWIW. The non stimulated economy is growing at 11.2 % according to the Atlanta Fed GDP tracker. Down from the 35% in the 3rd quarter,but itself sensational considering the drag from absurd lockdowns. We’re far outpacing any western econy, testimony bro how successful Trump was with the economy. And no new wars. But we got Biden. It’s obvious hot crooked this is,and ahistorical.

    585. Paul says:

      Jason,
      You dimwit. With mail-in ballots, they are going to be overwhelmingly Democratic. Far beyond the usual ratio of Democratic to Republican. And the same-day voters are going to be overwhelmingly Republican far beyond a normal ratio.

    586. NYCmike says:

      “Was this posted? If so sorry, but pretty interesting.”

      -I saw someone else post it…….Senator Rand Paul…….just sayin’ is all…..

    587. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #597-Paul
      Rita Hart(D-IA) is a loser like you!

      Iowa Secretary of State Paul Pate
      @IowaSOS
      ·
      27m
      The Iowa State Canvassing Board has officially certified the results of the 2020 general election. Iowa had record turnout of more than 1.7 million voters & 76% participation. The official result in #IA02 is
      @millermeeks
      196,964 to
      @RitaHartIA
      196,958. 6 vote difference. #BeAVoter”

    588. Tgca says:

      Oooooh! Oooooh!

      Thix Hundwid!

      Thix Hundwid!

    589. NYCmike says:

      DC (SUCKS!)

    590. NYCmike says:

      So close!

    591. PresidentPaul! says:

      Demented joe’s brain is fried.

    592. PresidentPaul! says:

      The fake news goes gaga for Biden for his ability to break his foot.

      https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/11/30/biden-fractured-foot-weekend-media-already-praising/

    593. Paul says:

      Sheeple, at least I didn’t vote for a loser for president.

    594. Ivanka T says:

      Pull my finger

    595. jason says:

      With mail-in ballots, they are going to be overwhelmingly Democratic.”

      Not that overwhelming and not in WI, PA, MI, AZ or GA.

      23 to 1 on a random dump? No.

    596. jason says:

      Sheeple, at least I didn’t vote for a loser for president.”

      So Paul admits even he couldn’t vote for Biden.

      The truth will set you free.

    597. jason says:

      I saw someone else post it…….Senator Rand Paul…….just sayin’ is all…..”

      It isn’t Rand Paul, it is just a link to the study.

      But I am glad he thinks it is suspicious too.

    598. jason says:

      I linked to the study too.

      Am I as great in NYC’s eyes as Rand Paul?

      Hallelujah!

      That makes me more full of myself than Tgca!

    599. jason says:

      Jason,
      You dimwit.”

      Bitter, I know you are not going give me points for dimwit, but considering the source, it should be worth something….

      I mean, it is like Hitler calling someone else a Nazi.

    600. Tgca says:

      610

      It’s amazing how Jadon both admires and envies me so much at the same time.

      I find this humbling…albeit for just a moment.

    601. jaichind says:

      https://www.syracuse.com/politics/2020/11/tenney-leads-brindisi-by-12-in-first-official-vote-count-in-house-election.html

      In NY-22 it is confirmed that the vote count delivered to the judge by the deadline today is Tenney by 12 votes.

      The are still hundreds of ballots under dispute and hearings will start next Monday. Looks like this one will go on for a while. Still it is good that the first official count has her ahead, even if it is only 12 votes.

    602. sane_voter says:

      I give Tenney a 10% chance to win at this point. Too many Dems in charge and a bunch of ballots that can and will get included in the contest phase.

    603. Paul says:

      607: Dimwit, why not?

    604. Paul says:

      Dimwit said: “An update in Wisconsin listed as 3:42AM Central Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 143,379 votes for Joe Biden and 25,163 votes for Donald Trump”

      That’s not a 23 to 1 ratio.

      That’s a 5.7 to 1 ratio.

    605. Paul says:

      If a normal ratio for Dane or Milwaukee is either 4 to 1 or 3 to 1. Then, a 5.7 to 1 ratio is not at all unreasonable for an all mail-in ballot dominated by Democratic voters

    606. Paul says:

      Early vote on Tuesday night was almost close to a 1 to 1 ratio in Milwaukee. I remember seeing it and thinking that Biden was screwed. So if that was skewed that far in favor of the Republicans, it is quite reasonable for it being as it is for the late vote.

    607. Meldrim says:

      #575 and 576, Wes, and here I thought that you were implying that Perdue and Loeffler were senators with unknown angles ….

      : )

    608. jason says:

      Tgca is too humble to feel humble for more than a moment.

    609. NYCmike says:

      #618 – which is why it makes “perfect sense” that all of these inner-city locations needed to “shut down” for broken water pipes and other nonsense……

    610. Bitterlaw says:

      Last night I watched a lecture on CSpan-3. A history professor (who happens to be gay) discussed his research on President James Buchanan. He concluded that Buchanan was…….not gay.

    611. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Hey Paul:
      Another Democrat loser has just conceded. This one is Chrity Smith(D)CA CD-25.Pelosi is in big trouble in her caucus! Please don’t cry too much.

      https://twitter.com/ChristyforCA25/status/

    612. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      November 30, 2020 at 11:52 am
      The MSM has been screaming “no evidence” for weeks. Outside of Robbie and the trolls, certainly nobody here really believes there is no evidence.

      – If there’s the evidence you say shows the election was stolen, why hasn’t Trump, Rudy, or the Kraken lady presented any in a court of law before a judge under oath?

    613. Robbie says:

      Gavin Newsom suggested today another full blown lockdown in California is on the way.

      Strange. I was assured by Jason everyone had moved one from coronavirus.

    614. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #625
      Add: It appears that the Republicans in CA CD-25 received a twofer from Christ Smith(D).To wit:

      “In addition to Republicans flipping #CA25, they also picked up Smith’s former #AD38 seat in the Assembly after a crowded Democratic field in the March top two primary produced a same-party GOP runoff in November, which was easily won by
      @suzettemartinez”

      I wonder if Paul and Christy Smith are married or in a menage with Katie Hill. LOSERS ALL!!!

    615. RB says:

      Robbiie——is Nancy Pelosi officially in charge of chasing cats to get legislation through

    616. RB says:

      Robbie——is Nancy Pelosi officially in charge of chasing cats to get legislation through

    617. Phil says:

      Again, Robbie, Trump carried 18 of the 19 national swing counties that have gone with every winner since 1956….and carried them by an average of 15 points each. The one he lost was a Washington state county decided by 2 pts.

      Statistically all that is impossible if you “lose” the election. The election was stolen.

      Maybe if Democrats pull the same crap in the Georgia runoff election on election night that they pulled Nov 3rd and the days following you might get it since the runoff doesn’t have Trump on the ballot.

      Somehow, I doubt even that would wake you up. You are a Democrat’s dream Republican.

    618. Bitterlaw says:

      I am not a big fan of runoff elections. I don’t feel like looking it up but it seems like something more common in the South and California.

    619. Bitterlaw says:

      Maybe not California. Not looking it up.

    620. PresidentPaul! says:

      Dems will make it their official agenda to keep the vote by mail scam going for 2022 no doubt.

    621. jason says:

      After perusing these posts, I have determined that they are cause for hilarity (I would say LOL but I want to humor mnw).

      The MSM has been screaming “no evidence” for weeks. Outside of Robbie and the trolls, certainly nobody here really believes there is no evidence.

      – If there’s the evidence you say shows the election was stolen, why hasn’t Trump, Rudy, or the Kraken lady presented any in a court of law before a judge under oath?”

      Outside of Robbie and the trolls, nobody here really believes there is no evidence.

    622. jason says:

      Finally…

      On Monday, Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger announced the state’s opened a whopping 250 investingations probing “credible claims of illegal voting and violation of state election law.”

    623. jason says:

      I know, this guy is a Never Trumper gutless wonder.

      But better than nothing.

      “There are currently over 250 open cases from 2020, and we have 23 investigators to follow up on them. Some of these include a charge Gwinnett County that absentee ballots outnumber absentee envelopes. This is the kind of specific charge that our office can investigate and ascertain the truth.”

      “We have multiple investigations underway surrounding absentee ballots in Fulton, Gwinnett, Cobb, and many others. We continue our investigations into potential dead, double voters, and non-resident voters. As we move to the December 1st election — which is tomorrow — and the January 5th federal runoffs, we have to remain vigilant.”

    624. jason says:

      What is the election tomorrow?

    625. Bitterlaw says:

      Biden stole the election. Biden will be President. The Eagles suck.

      One of these topics will keep me awake until 3:00 am. Hint – It has nothing to do with Biden.

    626. Phil says:

      Gutless wonder is being generous. More like the Democrats’s useful idiot. Actually worse than that. Craves the positive strokes he has gotten from the MSM. Unfortunately, there are other Republicans just like him. Romney first comes to mind. Flake is another.

    627. jason says:

      Let me guess.

      You will watch the Seahawks Eagles game again hoping for a better outcome?

    628. Wes says:

      Bitter, California and Washington don’t have traditional runoffs. They have a modification of the Louisiana jungle primary system.

      That is, all candidates run on a single ballot. Regardless of percentage, the top two candidates then advance to a runoff on Election Day with the winner claiming the office.

      The Louisiana system, created by former Governor Edwin Edwards, is similar except if one candidate tops 50% in the first round, there is no second round. Louisiana also holds its jungle primary on Election Day with the runoff held on a Saturday in December.

      Georgia is the only state requiring a runoff for both general elections and primaries. South Carolina, Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, and Mississippi require runoffs for primaries wherein no candidate receives at least 50% of the vote but have no runoffs for general elections. North Carolina has no general election runoff but requires a runoff for primaries wherein no candidate receives at least 30% of the vote (formerly 40%).

    629. Wes says:

      Mississippi has a Louisiana-style system for special elections but doesn’t employ it for regularly scheduled elections.

    630. Gordon Allen says:

      FWIW I thought Braynard was impressive in presenting his ” evidence”. Never heard of him before. Where has he been hiding?

    631. Gordon Allen says:

      BTW: has there ever been an explanation for why Michigan, Pa, Wisconsin more or less stopped counting simultaneously,GOP observers left,and coincidentally massive pro Biden dumps appeared?
      Seems like this should be a focus,but possibly has been and I missed it.

    632. jason says:

      TW: has there ever been an explanation for why Michigan, Pa, Wisconsin more or less stopped counting simultaneously,”

      Yes they needed to know how many votes they needed to steal before they resumed the count.

    633. Rudy G. says:

      BIG news coming out SOON.

      I’ve been watching that movie “My Cousin Vinny” and I got some good advice there I’ll be using.

      Meet me by the anal beads and dildo store for the presser!

    634. Gordon Allen says:

      Jason. That’s about undoubtedly the case. But for the record, have the vote counters ever explained such extreme anamolies,ALL in one direction?
      Gee,you would think they’d be asked for ” evidence” they were legit? Oh, they’re Democrats. Sorry

    635. jason says:

      Evidence aggregator for fraud in the election

      https://hereistheevidence.com/

    636. Wobbles says:

      I see nothing. I hear nothing. I know nothing.

    637. jason says:

      Nice….

      “Georgia Democrat Senate candidate Raphael Warnock said in 2019 that the opioid crisis was only treated as a “public health emergency” and not a “war” because the “faces of the human tragedy are white and suburban.”

    638. Pitchaboy says:

      Constitutional crisis brewing in PA. State GA will likely send their slate of electors. This is headed to SC.

    639. mnw says:

      634

      Nah, go ahead & type “LOL” all the time. I actually enjoy it, because it’s our special secret code:

      iIt means, “I want to lick the soles of your shoes.”

    640. jason says:

      That comment elicits in me a profound sense of torpor, languor and drowsiness.

    641. jason says:

      Hey you cheap bastards.

      Don’t forget our $10k HHR pledge to Loeffler and Perdue.

      jason $250 each = $500
      mnw $150 each = 300
      sheep $2000 each = $4000
      bunu $190 Perdue = $190
      Paul – $40 = – $40
      Phil $250 each = 500

      So far we have $5490 – $40 = $5450

      We are short $4550.

    642. jason says:

      “If there’s the evidence you say shows the election was stolen, why hasn’t Trump, Rudy, or the Kraken lady presented any in a court of law before a judge under oath?”

      Robbie Goebbels keeps repeating this lie over and over, hoping it sticks.

      Of course, evidence HAS been presented in courts of law under oath questioning the legality of VBM ballots counted, how they were counted, and the processes by which they were counted.

      If you can show, and the evidence is clear, that votes were fraudulently cast/counted, you don’t actually need to name who perpetrated the fraud.

      So if in some cases the word “fraud” is not used in the cases filed, it is MSM propaganda that it means evidence of illegally cast ballots has not been presented.

    643. Sexy Sydney Powell says:

      My STAR witness in my Michigan lawsuit challenging the #Steal says in a sworn affidavit he thinks there’s something fishy about election returns in Edison County, Michigan.

      This is just the beginning. Something is very wrong in Edison County, Michigan!

    644. jason says:

      Strange that there are no polls out on the runoffs.

      Suspicious minds would wonder if it because the agenda pollsters don’t like the results.

    645. Gordon Allen says:

      BTW, witness after witness, UNDER OATH, have testified before legislative hearings. The penalties for perjury are the same as if it occurred in Court. Robbie knows this; enough said.

    646. Chicon says:

      Robbie Goebbels…..

      That’s solid. Accurate, too.

    647. Paul says:

      Good morning! It’s been four weeks of sourpuss pouting since Election Day. Joe Biden’s win is certified in every crucial swing state.

      Every day you tell us that this is all part of the plan and you’ll start winning tomorrow. Well, you don’t have many tomorrows left. 50 days from today Joe Biden will take the oath and be your new President. LMAO.

    648. Chicon says:

      654 – didn’t Robbie plan to match?

    649. Paul says:

      Jason dimwit thinks there’s fraud
      Jason dimwit is a clod.

    650. Chicon says:

      661 – Good morning! It’s been four years of sourpuss pouting since Election Day.

      Fixed it for you.

    651. Phil says:

      So by what percentage will Republicans have to actually win the Georgia runoffs to offset the fraud?

      I’d say between 3 and 4 percent. That’s a lot but it will take a lot. Democrats really want the Senate. They want it bad.

      I’d also recommend Republican counties hold back their results as long as possible. Democrats rely on Republican Counties finishing their counts in order o know how many ballots to manufacture. Recall in the days following November with each update the Georgia SOS had to revise upward the number of ballots estimated to be outstanding.

      Anyone who thinks this isn’t going to happen again is a fool.

    652. JeffP says:

      If you think the establishment types in the GOP think not supporting Trump in this battle of fraud is going to be a net gain for them…they are sadly mistaken. The Trump America First platform is the only way the GOP has a pathway forward. These weak GOP types will get lost in the dust in the coming years.

      This is no longer a D or R thing in American politics.

      It is a world view and cultural war…and whose side are you on…globalism or America First.

    653. JeffP says:

      665…Phil with how Kemp and his ignorant SOS have handled GA fraud… many of the MAGA types will sit this one out. It will be the weak GOP leadership in GA fault if the Dems win.

    654. Dylan says:

      Kemp is a low IQ individual He’s the reason Abrams made it so close in 2018 Georgia can do a LOT better than those two

    655. VictrC says:

      667 – Which is why Trump needs to actively participate in the GA election. He has to go campaign for them, he has to push all MAGA types to get to the polls, to vote, to send in ballots, to do whatever they need to do in order to win at least one, if not both of those elections.

      Literally America as we know it rests on those because if its a 50/50 senate by 2022 there will be 15 justices, new states, and the death of a number of industries in the US inluding fossil fuels.

    656. Dylan says:

      665–/why can’t these hapless secretaries of states promulgate regulations such that all counties report results at the exact same time?

    657. Phil says:

      Agree, Jeff. So far I see no evidence that Republicans have made any effort to remedy the fraud problems that occurred the days after Nov 3rd. We have the exact same issues for the runoff as were present in the November election. No signature matching for mail in ballots is the biggie. That’s a killer. That’s just a fact and it’s a fact that posters on this site don’t even acknowledge.

      Any poll showing Democrats within the margin of error means the GOP takes it on the chin January 5th.

    658. Robbie says:

      Jim Hoft
      @gatewaypundit
      Attorney Lin Wood: President Trump Should Declare Martial Law to Hold New Election. @LLinWood via @gatewaypundit

      – I hope those who have put their faith in people like Lin Wood and Sidney Powell are doing some soul searching.

    659. Phil says:

      Yeah, Republicans are the ones who need to do the soul searching. Got it.

      Marshall law? Nice strawman.

    660. Robbie says:

      Watching MAGA-land turn on Kemp and claim he allowed Trump to lose is ridiculous.

      Trump has been reduced to an old man yelling at clouds. He’s got nothing but wild conspiracy theories pushed by Rudy, Steve Bannon, Sidney Powell, and Lin Wood. That’s a rogue’s gallery of crazy.

      Trump lost because people got tired of his behavior as president. “Trump fatigue” was real and the election was a referendum on him personally. That’s why he lost, but Republicans down the ballot still did quite well.

      Worst of all, Trump knows his arguments are baseless garbage, but he wants to make sure his most ardent supporters believe the race was stolen from him so they will stick with him and hopefully back him in another 2024 run.

      I’m not telling anyone to stop fighting or to give up. If you think there are real examples of fraud that would change the race, then look for them. But just leveling baseless accusations at people like Kemp is just wrong.

      The party existed before Trump and will still exist after Trump. If some of you no longer want to participate in politics because Trump lost, that’s your prerogative.

    661. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      December 1, 2020 at 10:46 am
      Yeah, Republicans are the ones who need to do the soul searching. Got it.

      Marshall law? Nice strawman.

      – If someone is putting his/her faith in people like Sidney Powell or Lin Wood, the two people leading the charge in Georgia, then, yes, that person needs to do some soul searching.

      Let’s not turn this forum into the conservative version of Democrat Underground.

    662. Phil says:

      Bullsh*t.

    663. jason says:

      Robbie Goebbels asking others to do soul searching has to win Chutzpah Award of the Year.

    664. Phil says:

      No fraud Robbie.