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    Loeffler Leads Warnock by 5%, Perdue Trails Ossoff By 1% in GA

    We have another poll for the state of Georgia from The Trafalgar Group that shows Kelly Loeffler doing much better against her Democratic opponent than is David Perdue, who actually is currently trailing Jon Ossoff.

    US SENATE – GEORGIA – RUNOFF (Trafalgar)
    Jon Ossoff (D) 48%
    David Perdue (R-inc) 47%

    US SENATE – GEORGIA – SPECIAL – RUNOFF (Trafalgar)
    Kelly Loeffler (R-inc) 50%
    Raphael Warnock (D) 45%

    This poll was done December 1-3 among 1083 likely voters.

    Posted by Dave at 2:50 pm
    Filed under: General | Comments (767)

    767 Responses to “Loeffler Leads Warnock by 5%, Perdue Trails Ossoff By 1% in GA”

    1. mnw says:

      frist

    2. jaichind says:

      The main problem here is Trafalgar was way off in GA Prez election. It was really the only state Trafalgar was off.

    3. mnw says:

      Jo Jorgensen (L) got 62000+ votes in GA.* Using the NYT’s final results (only for the sake of argument), Trump “lost” GA by 13000.

      The Libertarian, obviously, won’t be on the ballot next month. That’s another factor that needs to be weighed here. That’s 1.2% of the vote that’s up for grabs. Gotta believe the GOP candidates get most of those L votes this time.

      *disclaimer: “While the presence of the Libertarian candidate was perhaps not helpful to Trump, Trump would’ve still lost GA anyway because… yada yada”.

    4. mnw says:

      I notice Dave didn’t post the Rasmussenless poll which shows GOP ahead in both races. I guess in Nevertrumpland, Trafalgar is enough bad news for one day.

    5. mnw says:

      Anticipating that Robbie or Paul or President Paul may say, “But… the Libertarians who didn’t vote for Trump COULD”VE voted for Perdue & Loeffler last time!”

      Wrong. The Libertarian running for senate in the Perdue/Ossoff election got 2.3% of the vote. (Because Loeffler/Warnock was a special election, there was no Libertarian candidate on the ballot in that race.)

    6. Robbie says:

      pitchaboy says:
      December 4, 2020 at 9:11 am
      I do not believe that Mr. Robbie is a 5% Republican. He is simply a democrat who is here to annoy the heck out of some of us.

      – I’m genuinely surprised you would write this, but you also wrote the other evening you though a couple of state legislatures would send their own slate of electors.

    7. Robbie says:

      Chicon says:
      December 4, 2020 at 10:00 am
      70 – I’d guess his mother and/or father are strong willed Democrats, and Robbie has had to answer for every naughty thing a Republican has ever done. There’s hints of Stockholm Syndrome in his posts.

      – My parents are both conservative Republicans, but thanks for playing.

    8. Robbie says:

      Wes says:
      December 4, 2020 at 9:56 am
      I see no evidence Robbie is a Democrat. He just doesn’t buy the “Biden stole the election” meme. Of course Waingro doesn’t buy it either. I don’t see nearly the same opprobrium directed at Waingro as at Robbie.

      – Accusing me of being a Democrat is just a coping mechanism for some. It allows them to deflect from what’s happened. I’ve been posting in this forum since October 2004, but the new mark of the party appears to be total acquiescence to whatever weird theory Trump promotes. It’s funny, though, the person who most aggressively attacks me for not being in Trump’s hip pocket all of the time is the person who quit the party over Trump.

    9. Robbie says:

      mnw says:
      December 4, 2020 at 3:28 pm
      Anticipating that Robbie or Paul or President Paul may say, “But… the Libertarians who didn’t vote for Trump COULD”VE voted for Perdue & Loeffler last time!”

      Wrong. The Libertarian running for senate in the Perdue/Ossoff election got 2.3% of the vote. (Because Loeffler/Warnock was a special election, there was no Libertarian candidate on the ballot in that race.)

      – Why would I say that? I have long despised and attacked the moron losertarians who get themselves on the ballot just to hurt Republicans. Denny Rehberg would be a Senator today if some dopey Libertarian hadn’t gotten on the ballot in MT in 2012 to help Tester.

      David Perdue wouldn’t be in a runoff next month if it weren’t for the moron Libertarian.

    10. Robbie says:

      It would be weird, to say the least, if Loeffler won and Perdue lost.

      Of course, Perdue wouldn’t be in this fix if it weren’t for the moron Libertarian. he’d have cleared the 50% mark.

      Additionally, Georgia might not have been as competitive had the hard right not run off Saxby Chambliss in 2014. Would Chambliss have voted any differently than Perdue over the last six years?

    11. mnw says:

      Without Libertarians on the ballot this past decade, America would look like a completely different country. Trump’s reelection would just be one part of it.

      Getting Libertarians on the ballot is the only way DEMs ever win close races in red states.

    12. PresidentPaul! says:

      Whenever I have voted Libertarian there was never a debate over whether to vote for the war criminal GWB as an alternative. It was more like do I want to vote Constitution party, libertarian or write in Mickey mouse.

      Pretty sure that’s how it is for most of them.

      If they wanted to vote for Trump, they probably would have just voted for Trump.

    13. Chicon says:

      11 – assuming those voters would have participated without the Libertarian on the menu.

    14. Robbie says:

      mnw says:
      December 4, 2020 at 3:11 pm
      I notice Dave didn’t post the Rasmussenless poll which shows GOP ahead in both races. I guess in Nevertrumpland, Trafalgar is enough bad news for one day.

      – What were the results? I looked for them and haven’t found them yet.

    15. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #14- Robbie

      Here you go:

      Here’s a just released Scott Rasmussen Poll of the Georgia Senate Runoff Races. It’s an LV Poll with a PID of R+2.It was produced just before Thanksgiving.

      Perdue(R) +3
      Loeffler(R) +2

      The RV screens show the Democrat candidates with 1 & 2 pt. leads.

      http://politicaliq.com/2020/12/04/georgia-senate-races-are-toss-ups/

    16. Robbie says:

      Sheeple,Jr. says:
      December 4, 2020 at 4:15 pm
      #14- Robbie

      Here you go:

      – Thanks. Now, I understand why I couldn’t find it. I was searching for a Rasmussen poll rather than Scott Rasmussen’s current operation.

    17. PresidentPaul! says:

      Biden says we have to pass a second stimulus once he is in office.

      People close to Biden’s transition team say they’re looking at that stimulus as a potential avenue for enacting some climate reforms — like aid for green jobs or moving the nation toward a carbon-free energy system — that might be tougher to get on their own.

    18. PresidentPaul! says:

      https://twitter.com/COVID19Tracking/status/1334661580064239616

      daily hospitalizations still going vertical

    19. PresidentPaul! says:

      John Cornyn, Susan Collins: Start The New Year With DACA Amnesty

      https://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2020/12/john-cornyn-susan-collins-start-new-year-daca-amnesty/

    20. Robbie says:

      Lin Wood
      @LLinWood
      Doug Collins @RepDougCollins won over 50% &
      @KLoeffler lost. She & her husband are in over their heads in Communist China money. That is why she does not demand GA legislature be ordered into special session.

      Wake up, GA & America! We must #FightBack against the Communist Wave.

      – According to Lin Wood, not only did Doug Collins finish ahead of Loeffler, Collins got 50% and should already be a Senator.

    21. Robbie says:

      Brendan Keefe
      @BrendanKeefe
      #BREAKING Trump Campaign says it has filed a lawsuit to throw out the Georgia election and “order a new election to be conducted in the presidential race.”

      – Whatever you think about the election in Georgia, the idea a court is going to throw out the results and order a new election is just fanciful.

    22. PresidentPaul! says:

      One thing good about Trump committing to a 2024 run would be to at least keep Cornyn and Graham in line.

      A lot of the GOP are lining up to lay the carpet out for a stolen election to demented Joe.

    23. michael corleone says:

      Robbie is it your position that voter fraud cannot be remedied? If you can prove in court that more ineligible voters voted than the margin of victory, is it your position that there is no remedy?

    24. Phil says:

      No, his position is fraud is no biggie as long as it takes down Trump.

    25. Robbie says:

      michael corleone says:
      December 4, 2020 at 6:01 pm
      Robbie is it your position that voter fraud cannot be remedied?

      – It’s my position that, while there’s almost certainly a small amount of fraud in every race, Rudy has presented no evidence of wide scale fraud that would change the outcome of the election. None. Trump’s lawyers have said that repeatedly under oath before judges.

      Regardless, there is absolutely no way a state court in Georgia is going to toss out the results of the presidential election on November 3 and call for an entirely new vote in the state. Anyone who thinks that is kidding themselves just as some were that state legislatures were going to step in and elect their own slates of electors.

    26. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      December 4, 2020 at 6:03 pm
      No, his position is fraud is no biggie as long as it takes down Trump.

      – I understand you’re upset that Trump lost, but he came up short. He came up short because he spent the last four years pissing off just enough people in the suburbs, an area that turned out to be decisive in 2020. Had he been just a little less abrasive, he might not have convinced people in the Atlanta suburbs to vote Biden.

      Also, I did not root for his defeat since I voted for him. I did so reluctantly, but I did so none the less. I decided to vote for him because of Amy Coney Barrett. However, he came up short and I see no reason to continue to fight an election that isn’t going to be changed.

      Honestly, I’m not sure Trump believes he won the race. I think Trump see a lot of advantages in convincing his most ardent supporters he did because he’ll be viewed as a martyr in their eyes and will stick with him after January 20, 2021. If that’s the case and he does decide to run again in 2024, he’ll start with a large group of supporters and he’ll be able to say he deserves the nomination again since it was “stolen” from him in 2020.

    27. jaichind says:

      3. I am not sure about that

      This chart
      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoZ46A7WMAECZDh?format=jpg&name=large

      Seems to imply that it was exactly in the pro-Libertarian areas that Trump underperformed the Congressional GOP which means Trump would WANT a Libertarian candidate to run in those areas or else they are more likely to go Biden.

      I myself lean heavy Libertarian, very pro-Trump to be sure, but Libertarian. I myself are confused why many Libertarians seems to prefer Biden over Trump (as implied in the chart) but that is what the data seems to show.

    28. Pitchaboy says:

      Mr. Alito has bailed out, it appears. Asked the state of PA to respond by 9th: a day late and a dollar short

    29. Cash Cow TM says:

      OK, since I have no cow sources in GA I did my own poll and the results are as follows”

      53% Purdue
      47% Ossoff

      56% Loeffler
      44% Warlock

      This poll was done with 1000 Georgians.

      873 likely voters (32R,31D,37I)
      27 dead voters (all 27 Ds)
      100 miscreants (unregistered, illegal aliens, convicted felons who will all vote D) who work with crooked Dems and say they will vote (for pay) and pretend they are some other registered GA voter

    30. michael corleone says:

      Robbie –

      ” has presented no evidence of wide scale fraud that would change the outcome of the election. None.”

      So you are dismissing Braynard’s research showing more than 15k ineligible voters? It seems like your position is cheating is fine, we need to cheat better.

    31. lisab says:

      wow … in a surprise biden has won dancing with the stars balloting, although he did not actually appear on the show

      he has also won the latest round of voting for the baseball hall of fame!

    32. Phil says:

      Cheating is fine if it takes out Trump.

      Robbie did admit he’d “be disappointed” if the same hanky Panky took out Purdue and Loeffler in the days following Jan 5th. Well, I suppose that’s something. I gather, however, he wouldn’t call it out. Essentially the Romney like position.

    33. PresidentPaul! says:

      Ron Paul wouldn’t run in 1992 because Buchanan was running.

      By the time he got a following that was capable of pushing him over the top in Iowa and NH he was simply too old.

      He would have been the best hope for a libertarian movement.

    34. Chicon says:

      33 – “disappointment” is as fired up as he gets regarding fraud in the most elemental aspect of self-governance – elections. Tells you all you need to know.

    35. PresidentPaul! says:

      I think the Fed is creating such massive inequality in the name of stabilizing markets, preventing massive market crashes, and keeping politicians elections alive throughout the last century that it becomes nearly impossible for a libertarian movement to even exist.

      It’s just relentless bubbles and chaos.

    36. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      December 4, 2020 at 6:38 pm
      Cheating is fine if it takes out Trump.

      Robbie did admit he’d “be disappointed” if the same hanky Panky took out Purdue and Loeffler in the days following Jan 5th. Well, I suppose that’s something. I gather, however, he wouldn’t call it out. Essentially the Romney like position.

      – That’s not my position and you know it. Cheating isn’t fine if it takes out Trump. Full stop. I voted for Trump so I wanted him to win, but he didn’t.

      And what I’ve said about the runoffs is I’d be disappointed if they lost. What I said had nothing to do with cheating. And if they both lost and suggested it was due to cheating, I would be every bit as hard on them and their claims as I have been on Trump if their claims were short on evidence.

    37. sane_voter says:

      Trafalgar poll has a couple of interesting tidbits:

      Males: 44.4%
      Female: 55.6%
      Huge gender gap, but the 2020 CNN exit poll for GA had a 12% gap.

      w/o leans, Perdue leads decideds by 45.8% vs 41.9%. But Ossoff leads leaners by 6.1% to 1.5% to take the overall polling lead.

      Loeffler and Warnock have nearly same % of leaners: 2.7 vs 2.9%, so Loeffler’s lead with decideds holds.

    38. sane_voter says:

      Against generic Dems, I believe Perdue would do better than Loeffler. But Warnock is so extreme and polarizing, Loeffler should be favored to win a larger % of the vote compared to Perdue. Plus, I think the large gender gap (if true) helps Loeffler relative to Perdue.

    39. PresidentPaul! says:

      I look forward to McConnell paying Pelosi back for refusing to negotiate on stimulus if GOP wins senate.

      Austerity during the biggest financial bubble in the history of the world!

    40. Robbie says:

      I see the Arizona Republican Party is in the middle of a crack up. Chemtrail Kelli Ward told Ducey to STHU and Ducey said the feeling was mutual. Andy Biggs accused Ducey of wanting to force people to get vaccinations. In response, Ducey’s chief of staff said Biggs is a permanent resident of crazy town.

      Mark Kelly couldn’t be happier with the way his week has gone.

    41. Robbie says:

      (((AG)))
      @AGHamilton29
      Trump camp has now lost over 40 cases across multiple states. In each instance they either did not claim fraud or could not provide evidence to justify claims of widespread fraud. Are all these judges in on it or are you maybe being lied to w claims that don’t hold up in court?

    42. Anonymous says:

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      ?
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    43. Chicon says:

      43 – you follow the most interesting sources.

      Anyway, the legal challenges will end at some point, and the Republican party can resume its customary position on its knees in front of the Democrats. You seem comfortable with that, so just hang on for a few weeks.

    44. phoenixrisen says:

      #44 No thanks. I’ll keep my freedom and live with the risks. Masks are worthless anyway. Covid is nothing more than a means to centralize more power in government.

    45. Cash Cow TM says:

      “…there was a true hand recount done in one small precinct in Georgia. The result was that when ballots were hand counted and compared to the reported vote totals that the Dominion machine reported total for Biden was 1.52X the actual paper ballots and President Trump votes reported were .48x the actual paper ballots.”

      Anybody know anything about this?

    46. Robbie says:

      Chicon says:
      December 4, 2020 at 8:47 pm
      43 – you follow the most interesting sources.

      Anyway, the legal challenges will end at some point, and the Republican party can resume its customary position on its knees in front of the Democrats. You seem comfortable with that, so just hang on for a few weeks.

      – I don’t think there’s any going back nor would I recommend it. The party that existed during the GWB years is never coming back and that’s probably a good thing. The new group of Republicans who have come along since 2010 are much more aggressive and willing to engage in political combat (Cruz, Cotton, Hawley, etc.)

    47. Tgca says:

      Cincuenta pootahs! Cincuenta!

    48. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      FOX and Friends Weekend has now jumped the shark.

      Host Jedidiah went into a 10 minute anti-Trump Election Challenge diatribe in which she would not allow her two other co-hosts to challenge her or counterpoint to her so-called facts.
      Who is this Bi*ch?

    49. Wes says:

      Here you go, Sheep:

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedediah_Bila

      She’s a vegan Libertarian. Tgca and LisaB should hang out with her.

    50. PresidentPaul! says:

      I think Trump announcing a 2024 run wouldnt be the worst thing just to try to keep the rogue gop senators in line.

    51. Hugh says:

      Sheeple. You must be their last conservative viewer

    52. Wes says:

      I just looked up the 2020 KY Senate race and saw something I hadn’t noticed before:

      Ann Coulter endorsed Amy McGrath.

      Who still thinks Coulter is anything but a principle-free media who’re?

    53. mnw says:

      Perdue made an appalling video yesterday, about how he hoped Schumer & McConnell might be able to negotiate & compromise more successfully now, with Trump gone.

      I’m sure that will drive up GOP enthusiasm for him in GA (sarc), & Perdue managed to say that, on camera, on the eve of Trump’s rally on his behalf, too.

    54. CamRep says:

      Rinos will be in a for a rude awakening in the New Year, when Donald Trumo wins BOTH Georgia Senate seats!!!

      Lin Wood and Sidney Powell are Beautiful Patriots!

      Don’t vote for the Traitor Socialist China-Loving Sonny Perdue and Kelley Loffler!!!!

    55. PresidentPaul! says:

      Perdue winning means the filibuster stays so id favor him no matter what he says…

    56. CamRep says:

      The Corrupt GOP is trying to sow fear that you MUST vote for the Traitors in Georgia to save the Senate.

      That is not true!!!!!!!!

      The Red Wave is going to flood the field and Trump will win BOTH seats with write ins.

      Even if Socialists do STEAL, the Socialists Ossoff and Warknock won’t matter. VP Pence will still break ties!!!!

      If you think our Great Military is going to let Socialist Biden steal this election, you are MIstaken!!!!

      The best is yet to come!!!!!

    57. Tgca says:

      I want to thank my good friend Bitter for his floral expertise.

      Great recommendation to decorate my home with Poinsettas for the Christmas holiday.

      I got the larger plants and placed them in my living room and bedroom near the large picturesque windows. With the Florida sunny brightness they indeed liven up the house.

      Very perty!

      I think maybe Bitter should give up law and start a floral shop.

      Bitter’s Flowers and Other Pretty Things

      https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/poinsettia?phrase=poinsettia&sort=mostpopular

    58. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Dave Wasserman
      @Redistrict
      ·
      1h
      Fact: Joe Biden won the White House carrying just 17% of America’s counties, the lowest share of any winner in history.

    59. Tgca says:

      Bitter also suggested that I accentuate the feminine beauty of the poinsettias in my home with a more masculine contrast.

      I told him unlike most gay guys, I don’t like framed pictures of young, attractive, well-defined nude men adorning my walls and that’s just not my style though I have nothing against it so no offense to SDC or Michael.

      I do have framed pictures of my beloved canine American Staffordshire Terrier child that passed away last year, and she is in the buff in those pics but Bitter says I’m missing the point…

      …though he did acknowledge that not all gay men need to adorn their homes with framed pictures of nude men…he suggested a bit classier and artful approach that leaves more to the imagination and suggested I consider framed pictures of men in thongs and sweaters..but I digress.

      Anyways, Bitter suggested magnolia foliage and again, his floral expertise proved ideal.

      I put a large magnolia foliage bouquet on a table in the living room and my home now looks rather manly I might say all while expressing a subtle touch of Christmas femininity.

      Thanks again Bitter! You’re so talented in these things.

      http://www.stevensandson.com/magnolia-foliage/

    60. jason says:

      “Attached to the complaint are sworn affidavits from dozens of Georgia residents swearing under penalty of perjury to what they witnessed during the election: failure to process and secure the ballots, failure to verify the signatures on absentee ballots, the appearance of mysterious “pristine” absentee ballots not received in official absentee ballot envelopes that were voted almost solely for Joe Biden, failure to allow poll watchers meaningful access to observe the election, among other violations of law.

      Data experts also provided sworn testimony in the lawsuit identifying thousands of illegal votes: 2,560 felons; 66,247 underage voters, 2,423 votes from people not registered; 1,043 individuals registered at post office boxes; 4,926 individuals who voted in Georgia after registering in another state; 395 individuals who voted in two states; 15,700 votes from people who moved out of state before the election; 40,279 votes of people who moved without re-registering in their new county; and another 30,000 to 40,000 absentee ballots lacking proper signature matching and verification.”

    61. Tgca says:

      I’m not sure who is the FNC Bila Bish is but Fox has definitely changed a bit the last few years under Murdoch’s sons with their liberal slant. Sooner or later they will become like a Drudge and move leftward and drive off a large share of the conservative audience but that also probably means MSNBC and CNN will probably suffer because there just isn’t that much competition for liberal news TV.

      Who knows? Maybe Fox will hire the Rainbow Axis of Maddow, Lemon, and Cooper at some point. That would be interesting since they’ve all been Fox bashers in the past. Maybe even Shep can come back to Fox.

      No worries though for conservatives, as I see other media opportunities for them as they will navigate elsewhere over time. Maybe Newsmax becomes the new Fox, time will tell.

    62. Chicon says:

      56 – great, now Robbie will have a Perdue poster on the ceiling above his bed.

    63. Pitchaboy says:

      He did not win it. He lost 83% of the counties and stole the WH. Some guys here want us to believe he bent every possible statistical piece of evidence in his direction. I may have swallowed that crap for Obama or Bill, but not SloJo.

    64. Tgca says:

      52

      More ignorance from the Crispy Creme State residents.

      I AM NOT A VEGAN!!!

      I am a VEGETARIAN!

      There’s a big difference. I don’t associate with Vegans. Something wrong with those people.

      This morning I had a large organic brown egg smothered with a melted slice of havarti cheese and sprinkled with black ground pepper and chili spice.

      That was accompanied with a small serving of chilled fresh organic red seedless grapes and some iced green tea.

      Yummee!!!

    65. Bitterlaw says:

      Biden stole the election. There is evidence he stole it. Unfortunately, unless it is introduced in court or presented to a legislature that will act upon it, Biden will not be stopped.

      Accusations that I am accepting fraud in 3…2…1…

    66. jason says:

      There is Bitter with another false equivalency.

      Hmmmm… knee jerk reaction.

      There is no false equivalency.

    67. jason says:

      That was accompanied with a small serving of chilled fresh organic red seedless grapes and some iced green tea.”

      Gayest comment of the day.

    68. jason says:

      “This year’s American Rhodes Scholars—independently elected by 16 committees around the country meeting simultaneously—reflect the remarkable diversity that characterizes and strengthens the United States. Twenty-one of the 32 are students of color; ten are Black, equal to the greatest number ever elected in one year in the United States. Fifteen are first-generation Americans or immigrants; and one is a Dreamer with active DACA status.”

      Translation: if you are white, you need not apply.

    69. jason says:

      reflect the remarkable diversity that characterizes and strengthens the United States. ”

      So if minorities are over represented, does that reflect the diversity?

    70. Wes says:

      I know the difference between vegetarians and vegans, Tg. Vegetarians eat slop sometimes garnished with animal products. Vegans just eat slop.

    71. Tgca says:

      73 Wes

      Your continued jealousy of me is unseemly. Regardless of your jealousy, I’ll always be your friend from the great Sewer State though.

    72. Wes says:

      Well, the second greatest President of my lifetime after the legendary Ronald Reagan–Bill Clinton–is a Rhodes Scholar, so the program wasn’t always geared toward the will-o’-the-wisp of “diversity.”

      Of course I do wonder if modern Rhodes Scholars don’t feel guilty about receiving an academic accreditation from a program started by a WHITE MALE IMPERIALIST.

    73. Wes says:

      I believe you’re confusing disgust with jealousy, Tg.

    74. Tgca says:

      76

      Ouch! Wes says TG disgusts him.

      That is hurtful and mean. I’m not sure I’ll be able to sleep tonight.

      Sounds like something Donal Trump would say.

      Evidently Wes hates gay men…especially gay men from the Sewer State.

    75. jason says:

      I think wes hates disgusting slop being portrayed as food.

    76. jason says:

      so the program wasn’t always geared”

      No, it wasn’t, but it is now.

    77. Robbie says:

      Joe Szymanski
      @JosephSzymanski
      #VA2021 news: It’s official according to my source at the VAGOP meeting. The Virginia GOP will be nominating by convention for Gov, LG and AG in 2021.

      – Looks like the Virginia Republican Party wants to make itself completely irrelevant. The party of Corey Stewart now.

    78. Wes says:

      The VAGOP has been irrelevant ever since 2013, Robbie. Once Cuccinelli took over that year, the VAGOP lost all credibility and political viability.

      2017, 2018, 2019, and 2020 have only underscored that development.

    79. Robbie says:

      Lin Wood
      @LLinWood
      Brian Kemp, Brad Raffensperger, Geoffrey Duncan, Gabriel Sterling.

      Remember names. They are ALL going to jail. They are complicit in foreign interference with national election.

      They will be joined by many others.

      To those threatening me, stop wasting your time. I am fearless.

      – Anyone still want to make the case Lin Wood isn’t hustler out to con a bunch of people?

    80. Robbie says:

      mnw says:
      December 5, 2020 at 9:54 am
      Perdue made an appalling video yesterday, about how he hoped Schumer & McConnell might be able to negotiate & compromise more successfully now, with Trump gone.

      I’m sure that will drive up GOP enthusiasm for him in GA (sarc), & Perdue managed to say that, on camera, on the eve of Trump’s rally on his behalf, too.

      – What’s he supposed to do. Operate under the delusional reality that Trump won and the result is going to be overturned?

      The right course of action is campaign in the idea he and Loeffler are the last line of defense against AOC’s agenda.

      Lying to the voters about the outcome is a bad idea.

    81. jason says:

      Unmitigated bullcrap.

      Trump DID win GA, unless you believe that he lost by 12k votes out of 5 million cast with all the evidence we have seen so far.

      The right course of the campaign for Loeffler and Perdue, if they want to win, is to defend the integrity of the election and ensure the millions of people who voted for Trump (and them) are not disenfranchised.

      “Outcome” is an irrelevant red herring.

      Whether you believe the outcome can be reversed or not, you don’t accept fraud. If you do, it will happen again as soon as January 5th.

      If Perdue really made that video, I didn’t see it, it would really be appalling.

    82. PresidentPaul! says:

      #83

      Agree, I don’t care what Perdue and Loeffler need to say to win, but whatever it is I don’t care.

      However, after the georgia elections, having Trump announce a 2024 run wouldn’t be a bad deal because then he could function as a shadow president and keep the rinos in line.

    83. Robbie says:

      FrancesSteadSellers
      @FrancesSSellers
      NEW: Trump calls Georgia governor to pressure him for help overturning Biden’s win in the state by
      @AmyEGardner @ColbyItkowitz

      https://t.co/YqhFptFA03?amp=1

      – I’m sorry, but this outrageous. Trump tired to pressure Kemp to get the state legislator to overturn the vote.

      If a Democrat had tried this, everyone in this forum would be up in arms. It’s wrong.

    84. Robbie says:

      And by the way, anyone who thinks Trump cares one bit about the outcome of the Georgia races hasn’t been paying attention. His rally is Georgia is going to be a childish crap show where he whines constantly about the fact he lost and people won’t break the rules to call him the winner.

      Trump’s willing to burn the house down around him because he lost. He doesn’t care if Republicans have a majority. He’ll be on the golf course starting in late January enjoying retired life while everyone else deals with the fallout of Schumer as leader.

    85. lisab says:

      it’s almost like robbie is saying that republicans should NOT spend 1000s of posts over four years undermining the party

    86. PresidentPaul! says:

      If I were Trump I’d order the White House burned down before I’d let Biden stink it up.

    87. PresidentPaul! says:

      Get Biden a trailer.

    88. Robbie says:

      Erik Schelzig
      @schelzig
      Much talk at the TN GOP meeting has been about the U.S. Senate runoffs in Georgia. RNC member Beth Campbell tells the group internal polling shows Loeffler down 7 points and Perdue down 2.

      – I’d point out these are margins in the SUSA poll so she may be calling it internal numbers but they aren’t.

    89. Robbie says:

      lisab says:
      December 5, 2020 at 2:38 pm
      it’s almost like robbie is saying that republicans should NOT spend 1000s of posts over four years undermining the party

      – It’s almost like Trump is an insane person who is desperate to hold onto power and is willing to pressure governors into overturning an election result.

    90. Country Dick Montana says:

      “a childish crap show where he whines constantly”

      The irony in this statement is delicious.

    91. Country Dick Montana says:

      “while everyone else deals with the fallout of Schumer as leader.”

      Life isn’t changing much under Schumer. Maybe some of my guys will lose their jobs, but for everyone else it will just be same ol, same ol for the most part.

    92. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      December 5, 2020 at 2:41 pm
      “a childish crap show where he whines constantly”

      The irony in this statement is delicious.

      – Difference is he’s the president and I’m not. But you already made clear you want to burn everything down since Trump lost so I guess it won’t bother you if he torpedoes the senate races out of personal spite.

    93. Country Dick Montana says:

      It will all burn eventually. If we consider this a war, let’s compare it the WW2. The establishment GOP are the Italians. Beat them first, because they are the easiest. It will be tougher to beat the Germans (DEMS) with unelected Administrative State (Japan) being the final hold outs.

      On the other hand, how much damage can Schumer, Pelosi and Harris/Biden do in two years. 2022 is going to huge for the GOP

    94. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      From Robert Cahaly, the founder of the Trafalgar Polling Group regarding his recent GA Senate runoff poll:

      “GAGOPers who aren’t committed to vote in #GASen Runoff say “If you want us to believe voting will matter, tell us how the plan differs from the last election,” according to recent
      @trafalgar_group”

      If true, Perdue made an error by dissing Trump.
      research. GAGOP elected officials who don’t want a 2022 primary need a good answer!

    95. PresidentPaul! says:

      “On the other hand, how much damage can Schumer, Pelosi and Harris/Biden do in two years. 2022 is going to huge for the GOP”

      You’re completely wrong about that. Stack the court, and buy the voters with UBI.

      With enough financialization and MMT, you can make the US economy go parabolic over two years if you’re smart about it.

      That’s why Yellow is being put in charge of treasury to merge the Fed with the executive branch.

      She already knows where the bodies are buried and what needs to be done.

    96. Country Dick Montana says:

      Robbie – I don’t want to burn it down because Trump lost. The problem with you is that Trump lives in your head, he to me is just another man albeit one whose actions and policies I liked for the most part. You don’t see me begging for Don Jr. or any of his family to run.

      I want it to burn for few reasons. One is because I think that the election was stolen through massive fraud in a few select locations. You disagree with me, that is fine. The fact that the majority of career politicians on the GOP side seem to be ok with this is a problem for me. The fact that the DEMS did this openly is a real problem, one that leads to one party rule.

      The other reason is that there are a substantial number of voters that apparently are OK with a larger and more intrusive Government (as long as it is intrusive to the people with whom they disagree)and I want them to get a real taste of it and a taste of it right now. The bigger taste the better. If they like it, people like me are on the wrong side of history and will eventually disappear.

      Remember Martin Niemöller.

    97. Tgca says:

      Ciento mah-dee-cones! Ciento!

    98. PresidentPaul! says:

      GOP wins Georgia: we do austerity during the biggest financial bubble in history and the dems gets crushed in 2022 and 2024 because of it.

      GOP loses Georgia: and we do MMT, UBI, court stacking and financial markets go 2017 bitcoin. Dems get easy victory in 2022, and demented Joe cruises.

    99. Country Dick Montana says:

      PP-What are you afraid of?

    100. PresidentPaul! says:

      #102
      afraid isn’t the correct word. I don’t want to see the dems coast to victory in 2022 and 2024 when we could be doing austerity sucking the wind out of the economy and crushing demented Joe.

      That’s what I favor.

    101. Country Dick Montana says:

      “I don’t want to see the dems coast to victory in 2022 and 2024”

      So what if they do? How does that affect you personally?

    102. PresidentPaul! says:

      #104
      I’ve never liked the democrats. It’s always been that way.

    103. Country Dick Montana says:

      105 – So you don’t like Democrats and that is a good reason for tanking the economy in 2022? You sound like Nancy Pelosi.

      So, one more time. How do you personally suffer under Democrats?

    104. PresidentPaul! says:

      #104
      #104
      Piece of sh1t Pelosi refusing to negotiate in the months before the 2020 elections on a stimulus bill we desperately needed.

      I want revenge.

      I guarantee you that there will be more demand side shocks in the next 4 years, and when Pelosi comes whining for direct payments to purchase a Biden reelection or to elect democrats in 2022, I favor giving her a lump of coal.

    105. PresidentPaul! says:

      Ron Paul started the Tea Party movement during the 2008 election, and that ultimately led to tea party movement austerity movement.

      That’s what I favor.

    106. Country Dick Montana says:

      How do you personally suffer? It sounds like you got you panties in a wad because over something a politician did that you didn’t like. For an alleged Libertarian, you have a funny attitude towards Federal borrowing. Its Ok if our side does it, but not if their side does. Got it.

    107. Country Dick Montana says:

      Libertarians =

      ”a random collection of emotional hippies-of-the-right who seek to play at politics without philosophy,”

    108. PresidentPaul! says:

      #109

      Nope it’s not ok if our side does it, but it is justifiable if our side does it.

      If there truly was a blue wave that led to 50 trillion in new spending and more big brother apparatuses to control the public, doing a needed trillion dollar stimulus would have been very justifiable in the summer months to prevent such nonsense.

      I still maintain Trump needed more direct payments in late summer.

    109. PresidentPaul! says:

      #110
      When Winston Churchill put England back on the gold standard, it was so rough that not only did he get crushed in his reelection, but he almost pushed the nation into communism it went so far left.

      But hey if England goes marxist he can congratulate himself because he was so pure.

      good job!

    110. Country Dick Montana says:

      “Nope it’s not ok if our side does it, but it is justifiable if our side does it.”

      That’s a pretty slippery slope. That could mean ANYTHING is justified. That is generally the first resort of tyrants.

      How will you suffer personally?

      What is it with people here not being able to answer direct questions.

    111. PresidentPaul! says:

      #113
      Sure buddy. Be pure. No fiscal stimulus in 1929, and when we get the FDR revolution and democrat control of the house for 70 years we can claim that we needed to be pure.

      Same sh1t Bush did in 2008 when Lehman and Bear needed bailouts. He wanted to be pure and give the dems 60 senate seats. the GOP never learns.

      Luckily for the GOP the dems governed terribly and gave the tea party power back, but I think this time they are dead set on not making the same mistakes this time.

      This time the GOP will not be getting power back.

    112. Country Dick Montana says:

      “This time the GOP will not be getting power back.”

      And how will you suffer?

      BTW, Stimulus is not the answer. Harding showed that in 1920:

      https://isi.org/intercollegiate-review/warren-harding-and-the-forgotten-depression-of-1920/

      All the stimulus programs of the 1930’s did nothing for the economy. WW2 was what get it going again.

    113. jason says:

      Ron Paul started the Tea Party movement during the 2008 election, and that ultimately led to tea party movement austerity movement.”

      Ron Paul didn’t start the Tea Party, Rick Santelli did, but he did manage to bastardize its purpose and was instrumental to its loss of influence. The Tea Party as originally launched had nothing to do with Paulbots.

      Ron Paul was one of the biggest porkers in Congress, he was as much for austerity as Hitler was for Zionism.

    114. PresidentPaul! says:

      I think stimulus generally does work, and did work earlier this year when we did it. I never said it’s good policy. It’s terrible policy, but we’ve dug such deep hole at this point that this is just the dilemma we have to deal with. I small amount of spending by the GOP is acceptable in comparison to a bernie new deal.

    115. Country Dick Montana says:

      “dems governed terribly and gave the tea party power back, but I think this time they are dead set on not making the same mistakes this time.”

      As I have implied before, if the DEMS govern badly (whatever that means) then they will ultimately lose. If they give the people what they want(whatever that means)then they will continue to govern.

      What is your problem with this?

    116. Country Dick Montana says:

      “I think stimulus generally does work, and did work earlier this year when we did it.”

      Stimulus this year was a government reaction to a government created economic collapse. And it was a lot of pork. And it gave incentives not to return to work.

    117. mnw says:

      97 Sheep

      What Perdue said yesterday on camera was, as literally as I can remember it (& I watched it twice):

      “If the GOP holds the Senate, you know, Biden & Mitch McConnell used to serve in the Senate together for many years, so I think we’ll see a better chance for Senator McConnell & Senator Schumer to have productive negotiations and find common ground.”

      What a GREAT battle cry for the GA GOP, eh? “Re-elect me, so that we can have… more compromises with Schumer!”

      That’s so inspirational! Right up there with Henry V, isn’t it? “For England, Harry and St. George!” /s

      P.S. The Perdue video in question has gone viral, btw– it’s all over the right blogosphere, with MANY comments appended to it, along the lines of “BARF!” ; “Are you kidding me?”; and “I’m outta here!”

    118. Chicon says:

      97 – Sheep, Robbie has had this basic concept explained to him several times. He just doesn’t see it that way. It seems pretty clear to me, but…..

      Anyway, he’s a little tent guy who cannot bring himself to empathize (note to Robbie – I said empathize rather than sympathize for a reason) with the Trump unwashed.

    119. PresidentPaul! says:

      #121

      dumb…

      Electing Perdue means the filibuster remains intact. He can vote however he wants, but keeping the filibuster is like electing 10 more GOP senators despite these antics.

    120. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #121-mnw
      Perdue should act like the election of a Democrat Senate is the apocolypse. Instead he acts blase.
      This is an unforced error by him.

    121. mnw says:

      122 Chi

      I never dreamed I’d be donating to two near-billionaires I don’t even like.

    122. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      mnw
      Robert Barnes just tweeted this:

      “A court ordered statistically significant sample of Arizona’s mail in ballots found 11% of the accepted ballots did NOT match according to the Democrats’ own expert. That is thirty times more illegal ballots than the margin of victory. Georgia, Pennsylvania & Nevada likely worse.”

      This is in addition to 3% of the “cured” ballots being altered in a AZ sample.

      What’s to be done/ The Courts,so far, have said NOTHING!!!

      Are we living in a Banana Republic?!

    123. OHIO Joe says:

      So we now essentially have Robbie on record as saying he is fine with voter fraud.

    124. Country Dick Montana says:

      Down to the Banana Republic
      Down to the tropical sun
      Go the expatriated Americans
      Hoping to find some fun

      Some of them go for the sailn’
      Called by the lure of the sea
      Trying to find what is ailing
      From living in the land of the free

      Some of them are running from lovers
      Leaving no forward address
      Some of them are running tons of ganga
      Some are running from the IRS

      And late at night you will find them
      In the cheap hotels & bars
      Hustling the senoritas while they dance beneath the stars

      Spending those renegade pesos
      On a bottle of rum & a lime
      Singing, give me some words I can dance to
      Or a melody that rhymes

      First you learn the native customs
      Soon a word of Spanish or two
      But you know that you cannot trust them
      Cause they know they can’t trust you

      Expatriated Americans feeling so all alone
      Telling themselves the same lies
      That they told themselves back home
      Down to the Banana Republic things aren’t as warm as they seem
      When none of the natives are buying any second hand American dreams

    125. PresidentPaul! says:

      The Nomad Capitalist: go where you are treated best

      https://nomadcapitalist.com/

      We offer holistic, legal strategies to successful entrepreneurs and investors to reduce their tax bill, grow wealth overseas, and become global citizens.
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    126. jaichind says:

      Biden’s diversity push turns tense over unfilled top-tier jobs

      https://www.union-bulletin.com/news/national/bidens-diversity-push-turns-tense-over-unfilled-top-tier-jobs/article_381865bb-5a41-5e88-ab7e-71f0bb99dc9c.html

      More trouble in the Dem camp trying to accommodate all the different woke factions

    127. Country Dick Montana says:

      I really like the website Quillette. Mostly right/libertarian leaning. International for the most part

      https://quillette.com/2020/12/02/despised-a-review/

      The link above is a review of a book showing how the Labour Party in the UK basically abandoned the working classes. And why the working classes felt abandoned. Change Labour to DEM (and Establishment GOP) and you get the picture. A quote below sums up a lot of it:

      “This value clash is epitomised by Labour’s increasing investment in both state-led multiculturalism and progressive identity politics. Embery is scathing about the colonisation of the activist base of the Labour Party by what he calls “Toytown Revolutionaries”—middle-class liberals playing at radicalism. These people represent what David Swift calls political hobbyism, burnishing their moral credentials through the expression of luxury beliefs on racial, sexual, and gender identity to signify high status while effecting no change in the real world.”

      Biden wants to bring the working class back to the DEMS, but I can’t see it happening based on the above.

    128. lisab says:

      The other reason is that there are a substantial number of voters that apparently are OK with a larger and more intrusive Government (as long as it is intrusive to the people with whom they disagree)and I want them to get a real taste of it and a taste of it right now.
      ————————————–

      the ironic part is that the people who support this the most are the ones who cannot make a success of life now

      and for some reason they think in a system where you have to have the intelligence and social skills to navigate around government regulations that they will do better in life

      but in a system where out of necessity you need to do things under the table and/or know someone they will be completely at the mercy of a government employee

      like me 🙂

    129. PresidentPaul! says:

      11/18/20 Dan Caldwell on antiwar radio: Trump Should Get Out of Afghanistan Before Inauguration Day

      https://libertarianinstitute.org/scotthortonshow/11-18-20-dan-caldwell-trump-should-get-out-of-afghanistan-before-inauguration-day/

    130. PresidentPaul! says:

      Trump looks to end then “war on terror” scam.

      Trump Is Said to Be Preparing to Withdraw Troops From Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia

      https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/16/us/politics/trump-troop-withdrawal-afghanistan-somalia-iraq.html

    131. PresidentPaul! says:

      House Majority Leader Sees Votes to Override Trump Defense Veto

      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-04/trump-again-threatens-veto-of-defense-act-over-tech-legal-shield

      Basically the bill challenges his troop withdrawals from Germany as well.

    132. Robbie says:

      Donald J. Trump
      @realDonaldTrump
      Between Governor @DougDucey of Arizona and Governor @BrianKempGA of Georgia, the Democrat Party could not be happier. They fight harder against us than do the Radical Left Dems. If they were with us, we would have already won both Arizona and Georgia…

      – As Ramsay Bolton once said, “If you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention.”

      Anyone who thinks Trump cares about the Republican Party or whether these two seats are won hasn’t been paying attention.

      Trump’s interested in one thing. He wants to keep his base riled up, angry, and in his hip pocket. If that means he has to knife Perdue and Loeffler, so be it.

    133. PresidentPaul! says:

      #136
      you don’t sound excited about the 2024 nominee?

    134. Robbie says:

      Chicon says:
      December 5, 2020 at 3:45 pm
      97 – Sheep, Robbie has had this basic concept explained to him several times. He just doesn’t see it that way. It seems pretty clear to me, but…..

      – There’s not much the pollster from Trafalgar can say that would sway me.

    135. Robbie says:

      PresidentPaul! says:
      December 5, 2020 at 5:46 pm
      #136
      you don’t sound excited about the 2024 nominee?

      – Nope.

    136. Country Dick Montana says:

      Well, the Establishment knifed him…for 4 years. What does he owe them.

      Be happy that he doesn’t tell his followers to stop paying their mortgages and car loans.

    137. PresidentPaul! says:

      I’m probably the only one here that voted for Trump four times.

    138. Pitchaboy says:

      We are in a Banana Republic. I said this a few weeks ago. Every statistical norm has been broken. If this were a scientific study, for example on Covid vaccine, the study would be deemed damaged goods. Yet, there are some of us here, searching for evidence. They would not know it if it slapped them in their face.

    139. PresidentPaul! says:

      Zero votes for Romney, McCain or W.. though 🙂

    140. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      December 5, 2020 at 5:49 pm
      Well, the Establishment knifed him…for 4 years. What does he owe them.

      Be happy that he doesn’t tell his followers to stop paying their mortgages and car loans.

      – How? By giving him almost everything he wanted? By approving his tax cuts? By approving his judges? By going to the mat for Kavanaugh? By voting to fund his wall? By going along with his disastrous six week government shutdown? By consistently standing by him through every controversy? By voting to acquit him in his impeachment trial?

      The idea the establishment knifed him is revisionist history. The Congress doesn’t work for Trump like they’re a bunch of interns trying to win the Apprentice. Yet, most of them operated as such. And not surprisingly, it still wasn’t enough for Trump’s most devoted supporters.

    141. PresidentPaul! says:

      #144

      Don’t kid yourself Trump was the president, but Ron Paul is the leader of the conservative movement.

    142. PresidentPaul! says:

      Trump is essentially a meme president.

    143. lisab says:

      The Congress doesn’t work for Trump like they’re a bunch of interns trying to win the Apprentice. Yet, most of them operated as such. And not surprisingly, it still wasn’t enough for Trump’s most devoted supporters.
      ———————————

      because all true republicans like robbie were against

      “his tax cuts? By approving his judges? By going to the mat for Kavanaugh? By voting to fund his wall? By going along with his disastrous six week government shutdown? By consistently standing by him through every controversy? By voting to acquit him in his impeachment trial?”

    144. Country Dick Montana says:

      Ok Robbie, whatever. You are the political expert. There are enough of us, likely millions that believe that the Establishment worked against him and there was fraud in the election. We are the crazies and conspiracy theorist. You should be happy to be rid of us.

      Whether or not we continue to support the GOP is our business.

    145. Robbie says:

      lisab says:
      December 5, 2020 at 6:00 pm
      The Congress doesn’t work for Trump like they’re a bunch of interns trying to win the Apprentice. Yet, most of them operated as such. And not surprisingly, it still wasn’t enough for Trump’s most devoted supporters.
      ———————————

      because all true republicans like robbie were against

      “his tax cuts? By approving his judges? By going to the mat for Kavanaugh? By voting to fund his wall? By going along with his disastrous six week government shutdown? By consistently standing by him through every controversy? By voting to acquit him in his impeachment trial?”

      – The point was they did almost everything he asked of them and it still wasn’t enough in the view of some Trump supporters like CMD.

    146. lisab says:

      if you ever doubted robbie is really a dem troll, objectively, #144 should convince you

    147. Phil says:

      Yeah, Romney and Sasse to name just a couple ripped him in the media every time they got close to a microphone. It was constant for 4 years…..and don’t get me started on their silence throughout his term on the Russian collusion BS. Crickets…

    148. PresidentPaul! says:

      I’m ok with Trump running as a shadow president and again in 2024 just to drive the Jeb’s, kasichs, and lincoln project ppl in the world into the asylum

    149. lisab says:

      they did almost everything he asked …
      ——————-

      all those issues are core republican positions

      although i would argue that the establishment rinos LOVE higher taxes and open borders

      they just won’t say so in front of a camera

    150. Pitchaboy says:

      Make no mistake. This was not a steal by the dems. This was a bipartisan and entrenched establishment steal. No wonder R governors and SOS are doing nothing.

    151. Phil says:

      On the mark, Lisa.

      I can’t believe that post.

    152. lisab says:

      tgca,

      i need a judgement … am i using there term rinos correctly?

      can you say “establishment rinos” or are they the same thing? i’m not quite up on the difference between “the establishment” and “rinos”

    153. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      December 5, 2020 at 6:00 pm
      There are enough of us, likely millions that believe that the Establishment worked against him and there was fraud in the election.

      – And likely millions are wrong that the Establishment worked against him. They gave him almost everything he wanted.

      “The Establishment” has become the sinister villain working the in the shadows for a lot of Trump supporters, but let me remind everyone of this.

      The Establishment couldn’t organize a two car parade. They threw everything they had at Trump in the 2016 primaries and failed miserably. Yet, now they’re the ones preventing Trump from succeeding? How? These bozos are hapless and that’s why Trump was able to breeze to the nomination.

    154. lisab says:

      I can’t believe that post.
      ———————————

      i can …

      i am actually surprised he did not include moving the embassy to israel, withdrawing from the iran deal, the tpp, the paris accords and rewriting parts of nafta

    155. Robbie says:

      lisab says:
      December 5, 2020 at 6:01 pm
      if you ever doubted robbie is really a dem troll, objectively, #144 should convince you

      – I’ve never doubted you’re trash and you confirmed it when you spent part of your Summer hoping American Airlines went out of business so I would lose my job permanently.

      Regardless, the point remains. The establishment gave Trump nearly everything he wanted so how is that working against him as CMD suggested?

    156. lisab says:

      I can’t believe that post.
      ———————————

      i can …

      or reinvesting in the military

    157. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #155- Phil
      Agreed.Screenshot #144 to be used against Robbie FOREVER!
      Robbie is not a conservative or Republican.Not even close.

    158. Country Dick Montana says:

      Whether or not our millions are wrong, it is perception and that is all that matters.

      The Establishment needs to do a better job on the perception thing if they want us to come back.

    159. lisab says:

      part of your Summer hoping American Airlines went out of business so I would lose my job permanently.
      ————————————

      i didn’t …

      but keep in mind i don’t actually believe you work for american airlines

    160. lisab says:

      part of your Summer hoping American Airlines went out of business so I would lose my job permanently.
      ————————————

      it is actually scary to think that someone like you is a pilot …

      unfortunately, i actually know someone like you who is a pilot

    161. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      December 5, 2020 at 6:02 pm
      Yeah, Romney and Sasse to name just a couple ripped him in the media every time they got close to a microphone. It was constant for 4 years…..and don’t get me started on their silence throughout his term on the Russian collusion BS. Crickets…

      – Sasse was quiet as a church mouse about Trump until he won his primary this past Summer. Regardless, Sasse gave Trump everything he asked for. He even approved of Trump taking money from the defense budget to pay for his wall.

      So again, where is the evidence the establishment knifed Trump over the last four years? Did they throw him overboard during the Mueller investigation? No. Did they throw him overboard during impeachment? No.

      The only place where Trump was stymied was Obamacare and the establishment was with Trump. Initially, it was the Freedom Caucus who torpedoed repeal of Obamacare. Then it was McCain who torpedoes it later in the Summer.

      As for Romney, eh. He’s one guy and he doesn’t have a following in the Senate. He’s on an island by himself and he’s just the guy I said he was back in 2012.

    162. Country Dick Montana says:

      Of you guys screenshot 144 does that mean that I am forever enshrined here too?

    163. Robbie says:

      Pitchaboy says:
      December 5, 2020 at 6:04 pm
      Make no mistake. This was not a steal by the dems. This was a bipartisan and entrenched establishment steal. No wonder R governors and SOS are doing nothing.

      – What would have them do? Every court in which Trump made his case, turned him down. And in the federal courts, it was his own appointees who turned him down often.

      If your position is Republican governors should have told their legislatures to elect their own slate of electors, then you’re advocating for overturning the will of the voters and that was never going to fly and nor should it have.

    164. PresidentPaul! says:

      If Dems win Georgia, then Trump legacy and his chances in 2024 are finished because Biden gets everything including a merged treasury-Fed to fuel his reelection and midterm push.

      If GOP wins Georgia, and is able to block the Biden agenda, then Trump could easily run as a shadow president and run again in 2024 if he’s up to it.

    165. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      December 5, 2020 at 6:04 pm
      On the mark, Lisa.

      I can’t believe that post.

      – What can’t you believe, Phil. CMD said the establishment worked against Trump all four years. How was that the case when they gave Trump everything he wanted? If they were working against him, wouldn’t they have spent a lot of their time trashing him ON THE RECORD, killing his favored legislation, and turning down his appointments?

      How is giving Trump what he wanted working against him?

    166. PresidentPaul! says:

      If Biden’s agenda gets blocked, I think the dems coalition just fall apart because bernie bros want the world and if they get nothing from biden they are going to riot both literally and figuratively.

    167. Cash Cow TM says:

      Has Robbie ever said disparaging things about Dems?
      Things the Dems have done that he is upset about?
      Enraged about? Concerned about?

      I am having a hard time remembering any Robbie posts over the years concerning alarm about what Dems have said done, proposed…

    168. Robbie says:

      lisab says:
      December 5, 2020 at 6:08 pm
      I can’t believe that post.
      ———————————

      i can …

      i am actually surprised he did not include moving the embassy to israel, withdrawing from the iran deal, the tpp, the paris accords and rewriting parts of nafta

      – I forgot those things, but you just reinforced my point. If the establishment was working against him, why did they go along with all of those things?

    169. Phil says:

      Didn’t throw him over during the Russian hoax? Well, that was big of them considering there was nothing there…..and speaking of nothing there it would have been nice for a majority in the GOP Senate to have said so.

      Thune, Cornyn, Burr, Corker, Alexander, Toomey, Portman….speaking of quiet as a mouse. F those guys. Supportive my ass.

    170. Robbie says:

      Sheeple,Jr. says:
      December 5, 2020 at 6:10 pm
      #155- Phil
      Agreed.Screenshot #144 to be used against Robbie FOREVER!
      Robbie is not a conservative or Republican.Not even close.

      – You’re on crack. CMD said the establishment worked against Trump.

      If they worked against Trump, then why did they approve almost everything he wanted?

      If the establishment was working against Trump, wouldn’t they have done all they could to stymie his legislative efforts?

      The truth is the establishment worked hand in glove with Trump for four years and accomplished a lot of good things.

    171. Robbie says:

      lisab says:
      December 5, 2020 at 6:11 pm
      part of your Summer hoping American Airlines went out of business so I would lose my job permanently.
      ————————————

      i didn’t …

      but keep in mind i don’t actually believe you work for american airlines

      – Oh, yes you did. You wanted to see American go under just because you thought it would hurt me.

      And keep in mind, the banned words here won’t allow me to call you what I think of you.

    172. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      December 5, 2020 at 6:14 pm
      Of you guys screenshot 144 does that mean that I am forever enshrined here too?

      – Tell me something. If the establishment gave Trump almost everything he wanted legislatively and almost every appointment he wanted, how is that the establishment working against Trump?

      Is the new definition of working against Trump giving him almost everything he wanted?

    173. PresidentPaul! says:

      Robbie-
      Don’t you agree with the Lincoln’s project’s thesis that to destroy Trump, the dems have to win Georgia.

      I actually agree with it, because I think if dems control the government they will cruise to wins in 2022 and 2024 via MMT, etc.

      If GOP wins Georgia, then the Trump show continues.

    174. Country Dick Montana says:

      Let’s turn this around. If Trump did all of things that he did policy wise. Things that you liked and wanted, why do you hate him so?

      By the way it’s CDM.

      And one more time. It is Perception that the Establishment isn’t exactly going to the wall for Trump. Even if it isn’t true, those are the optics and that is what the great unwashed sees. Of the GOP wants to win, they better change that perception.

    175. PresidentPaul! says:

      Lincoln project Georgia ad aims to give the dems total power, and end Trump for good.

      https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1334237416387993601?s=20

    176. PresidentPaul! says:

      If GOP wins Georgia, Biden accomplishes nothing, the left splits in half with the angry bernie bros and rioters going there own way while demented Joe completely loses control of his party over the coming four years.

      Meanwhile the Trump tax cuts etc remain intact, and we have a shadow president Trump who campaigns for four years.

    177. lisab says:

      Oh, yes you did. You wanted to see American go under just because you thought it would hurt me.
      ————————

      no, i really do not want american to go under

      but then i don’t care if it survives either

      i am agnostic on market forces — let the market go where it will is my motto

      again, i do not believe you work for american airlines

      i’d like to believe they would have more sense

    178. PresidentPaul! says:

      o ya….and I forgot to mention. The US economy is going to face tank without constant stimulus and MMT.

      and since Pelosi refused to help when Trump was up for reelection…well if it’s good for the goose it’s good for the gander.

    179. lisab says:

      do you guys remember when the airlines hired ex-military guys to be pilots? like in an officer and a gentleman.

      those were the good old days!

    180. lisab says:

      president paul,

      why do you keep mentioning this stimulus/mmt stuff?

      i get that you believe it, and are interested in it.

      however, its become like 90 percent of your posts

      talk about something else please

    181. lisab says:

      you know, mix it up with some

      libertarian news

    182. PresidentPaul! says:

      Dominion Advisor Met With John Podesta Offering ‘Anything’ That Would Help Defeat Trump, According to Email Released by WikiLeaks

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/dominion-advisor-met-john-podesta-offering-anything-help-defeating-trump-according-email-released-wikileaks/

    183. Country Dick Montana says:

      Stimulus is the drug of choice for rent seekers you know the ones with no skills that lead to production.

    184. PresidentPaul! says:

      #184
      The people will be controlled with economics one way or another. Whichever political party is better at it will win.

    185. PresidentPaul! says:

      This is not going to be another 2008-2010 lol.

    186. Robbie says:

      Cash Cow TM says:
      December 5, 2020 at 6:20 pm
      Has Robbie ever said disparaging things about Dems?
      Things the Dems have done that he is upset about?
      Enraged about? Concerned about?

      I am having a hard time remembering any Robbie posts over the years concerning alarm about what Dems have said done, proposed…

      – Well, this is a site that discusses the pros and cons of Republican candidates so I focus on them.

      But if you want to know what I think of various Democrats, just list some of them and I’ll let you know.

      As far as Biden goes, I have said more than once he’s a doddering old fool who probably has dementia and has no business being president. That’s on top of the fact he’s a left wing screwball who participated in the smear of Robert Bork.

    187. Robbie says:

      PresidentPaul! says:
      December 5, 2020 at 6:36 pm
      Robbie-
      Don’t you agree with the Lincoln’s project’s thesis that to destroy Trump, the dems have to win Georgia.

      – Yes. If Republicans lose both Senate seats, a good majority of Trump’s legislative achievements will be wiped away through reconciliation and the regulations he has instituted over the last six months can be voided as well. More or less, Trump’s president, absent judges, will disappear.

    188. Robbie says:

      Country Dick Montana says:
      December 5, 2020 at 6:38 pm
      Let’s turn this around. If Trump did all of things that he did policy wise. Things that you liked and wanted, why do you hate him so?

      I don’t like HIM. I’ve never liked HIM. I’ve made no secret I don’t like HIM.

      I supported the policies, but policy on their own don’t overcome the person and I don’t like Trump the person.

      Still, I voted for him this time. It will never be a vote that makes me proud, but I still voted for him.

    189. mnw says:

      145 President Paul

      The only thing that little screwball Paul is the “leader” of is your wet dreams, pal. That & his microscopically small, quasi-religious CULT.

      You are the only one here who wouldn’t skip anything posted about him– instantly. I’m embarrassed that I even read a few of your posts.

      Ron Paul– yeesh. An untouchable. Someone should go around in front of that maniac ringing a leper bell to warn people.

    190. Robbie says:

      lisab says:
      December 5, 2020 at 6:44 pm
      do you guys remember when the airlines hired ex-military guys to be pilots? like in an officer and a gentleman.

      those were the good old days!

      – Do you realize how much larger the US airline industry is now than when that stupid movie was made?

    191. lisab says:

      can you guys believe how the establishment confirmed kavanaugh!!!

      all real republicans, like robbie, should be upset by this!

    192. Robbie says:

      lisab says:
      December 5, 2020 at 7:06 pm
      can you guys believe how the establishment confirmed kavanaugh!!!

      all real republicans, like robbie, should be upset by this!

      – You are so stupid. In fact, I can’t believe how stupid you are.

      CMD said the establishment spent four years stabbing Trump in the back.

      If the establishment really spent four years stabbing Trump in the back, wouldn’t they have bailed on a high profile appointment like Kavanaugh to make Trump look bad?

      Honestly, you can’t be as stupid as you appear to be.

    193. PresidentPaul! says:

      I think a yellen-powell merged fed with the filibuster gone will create a financial bubble so big that it makes the 2000 tech bubble look like an ant hill, and in 8 years just about the time it’s ready to blow they’ll dump it on some slub like Rubio to take the blame.

    194. Country Dick Montana says:

      Robbie I wish you all the luck in the world rebuilding without the Trump voter. Many did not vote before Trump, and a lot of them will find no reason to vote without him. I keep saying it and you keep missing it. The lower class working class pearson’s life doesn’t change much regardless of who is in power. That is why they went with Trump and he did deliver for the American working class.beyond that they have no interest in being “political hobbyists.”

    195. lisab says:

      and cutting taxes!

      what kind of republican would support cutting taxes!

      no real republican, like robbie, would support cutting taxes, the establishment should have voted against it

    196. lisab says:

      country dick montana,

      robbie does not want to rebuild the gop

      his current goal is to drive a wedge between the reluctant trump voters who were not hard core never trumpers and those rural voters who voted because of trump

    197. Country Dick Montana says:

      lisab – I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is a Republican and wants to rebuild it. we keep talking about the civil war in the Democrat party, when we have one in our own. I am not sure how we consolidate the wants and needs of the “working class” voter and traditional GOP voter. And the working class voter’s interest in politics is pretty minimal.

      But, good luck to those that want to rebuild and think that it can occur without pain.

    198. Phil says:

      Trump brought the working class voter to the GOP.

      It’s the reason Trump carried Michigan, Pa, Wisconsin, and was elected in 2016. It’s the reason Trump carried Ohio by half a million votes twice. I maintain he carried the same three Midwestern states again in 2020 before it was stolen. No other establishment GOP candidate would have done that. They would all have been Romneyed and McCained in the midwest. Same will happen to Haley or whatever hapless GOP establishment candidate the party throws out there.

      Working class voters have no interest in Robbie’s kind of Republican. None.

    199. Chicon says:

      202 – Phil, Robbie would rather lose pure than win dirty. Many here describe that mentality as a “deadender”.

    200. lisab says:

      Phil, Robbie would rather lose pure than win dirty.
      ——————-

      nah … he thinks you are all stupid deplorables and wants the gop to lose

    201. Bitterlaw says:

      As the first poster to use the term Deadender at HHR, I remind you that it refers to people who supported candidates who were perceived as better than alleged RINOs but proved unelectable. See COD, Angle, Mourdock and Buck.

    202. SweatyToothedMadman says:

      #205, Bitter: Yours and others’ angst re: deadenders is well taken, but important to remember these nincompoops didn’t just appear out of the ether. In the cases of Mourdock and COD, it was the arrogance and idiocy of Lugar and Castle in taking their races for granted. Lugar has been in SC so long he couldn’t be bothered to keep a house in Indiana – using a hotel as his voting address. Stupid and insulting to votes. Castle too took voters for granted. Both created the deadenders who beat them.

    203. SweatyToothedMadman says:

      DC, not SC.

    204. Chicon says:

      205 – which means that said person would rather lose than have a Republican they believe is bad. Exactly what Robbie has been yapping about here. Deadender.

    205. CamRep says:

      They used to say the real poles are on Election Day.

      Turns out those poles were fake too.

      Don’t legitimize the elections by voting in them!!!

      Boycott Georgia and Own the Libs!!!!

    206. Cash Cow TM says:

      test

    207. Cash Cow TM says:

      In 2016 there were 68 NV registration forms missing key date (birthdate, sex, residence, etc).

      In 2020 there were 13, 372 NV registr. forms missing key data.

      What’s more, 74% of the incomplete registrations took place between July and September this year.

      **************************************

      Article in Washington Examiner.
      Dave (or “Hal”) will not let me post link.

    208. Cash Cow TM says:

      Oh, and this was thing on funny voter registr. in NV just in NV CD3 (which includes Clark County).

    209. CamRep says:

      Boom!!!

      Incoming! PROOF that Hollywood Socialist Sean Penn flew to Haiti to meet with Hugo Chavez to plan Election Steal!!!!

      The Supreme Court will NOT ignore this, people!!! 9-0!

      I’ve been saying all along—have faith!!! The evidence is coming! Trump has Won!!

    210. CamRep says:

      Beautiful women of the Republican Party!

      It is your Patriotic Duty!!! Give yourself to Him. This is the one matter in your lives where you do not need your husband’s permission. If they do not support this, they are NOT Real Men.

      The President has the best DNA. We need to Repopulate America with only the Best!

    211. mnw says:

      Which troll is “CamRep,” folks? My guess is he’s the troll formerly known as “Trump Is Pete Wilson” (TIPW), aka The Kindergarden (sic) Kid.

      What an absolute idiot. And that POS thinks he’s witty, too.

    212. Chicon says:

      I saw no llamas at the GA rally last night.

    213. Country Dick Montana says:

      Wes says it is chick named Yolanda

    214. Chicon says:

      215 – who? /sarc.

    215. jason says:

      I saw no llamas at the GA rally last night.”

      Lupita has endorsed Loeffler and Perdue, GFY.

    216. mnw says:

      Chi

      Loeffler debates Warlock tonight. Whereas Perdue has declined to have any further debates with Tossoff. I suspect this is another unforced error by Perdue. Perdue is foregoing an opportunity to tie the Bernie Sanders can to Ossoff’s tail, imo.

    217. jason says:

      Huh, mnw is around, so make that please attempt to have sexual intercourse with your own person.

    218. jason says:

      Tossoff?

      Pretty good, almost Tina quality.

    219. jason says:

      I suspect this is another unforced error by Perdue.”

      Not so sure.

      Perdue beat Ossof head to head by 90k votes with the L candidate getting 115k votes plus VBM and fraud.

      Ossof wanted 6 debates because he wants free air time.

      I think the strategy here is to deny him this forum.

      Maybe it is a mistake, we will see, but I can see the merits.

    220. mnw says:

      Tank claims that over 1 million VBM requests have now been submitted in GA– up from 750k just a few days ago.

      Perdue refusing any further pre-Jan. 5th debates also creates an unfavorable comparison with Loeffler, imo.

      At this point I suspect Ossoff’s name rec is already near 100%.

    221. Wes says:

      SweatyToothedMadman says:
      December 5, 2020 at 10:54 pm
      #205, Bitter: Yours and others’ angst re: deadenders is well taken, but important to remember these nincompoops didn’t just appear out of the ether. In the cases of Mourdock and COD, it was the arrogance and idiocy of Lugar and Castle in taking their races for granted. Lugar has been in SC so long he couldn’t be bothered to keep a house in Indiana – using a hotel as his voting address. Stupid and insulting to votes. Castle too took voters for granted. Both created the deadenders who beat them.

      I can agree with you about Lugar, STM, but Mike Castle voted against most of Obama’s agenda despite representing Delaware and made one of the strongest cases by any member of Congress against Obamacare. The only time I know of when Castle broke with his base was when the lunatics at the 2009 town hall said Obama was a foreign national only to have Castle say Obama is an American citizen.

      If Castle took his voters for granted by acknowledging a President documented to be an American citizen is indeed an American citizen then Delaware Republicans deserve to be the rump party they currently are.

    222. jason says:

      At this point I suspect Ossoff’s name rec is already near 100%.”

      If that was relevant the candidates wouldn’t still be running ads. Ossof might not need name recognition, but he needs turnout. And getting free exposure and publicity out of debates is one way to get turnout.

      I think Perdue’s rationale is that there is really nothing more to be said here.

      He already showed he can beat Ossof head to head so the upside for him in debating is a lot less than the upside for Ossof.

      I wouldn’t call it an unforced error.

    223. jason says:

      Best comeback of the year?

      NJ Gov Murphy:

      “That guy in the middle, the tall, handsome fella in the gray suit, that is Representative Matt Putz — oh sorry, Matt Gaetz — and based on his past performances, it is obvious being a knucklehead is not beyond the pale for him. He was actually Sarah Palin’s backup act for this event.”

      Gaetz:

      “Thank you for calling me handsome, Governor! I’m only considered handsome in New Jersey, though. In Florida I’m barely a roundup 6.”

    224. jason says:

      On the other hand, Loeffler actually got fewer votes than Warnock.

      She needs the Doug Collins votes plus she needs to pitch how left wing Warnock is to Indies.

      Her upside in debating is a lot greater than Perdue’s.

    225. jason says:

      Perdue lost the 10 Atlanta and surrounding counties by an astounding 715k votes.

    226. mnw says:

      It creates a bad contrast with Loeffler, & an opening for Ossoff: “What’s Purdue afraid of? Even Kelly Loeffler is willing to debate, but Purdue won’t”

      The Trafalgar poll, & the other polls, seem to indicate that Purdue having beaten Ossoff one-on-one last time has no predictive value now.

    227. mnw says:

      GREAT!

      At tonight’s debate, Loeffler, Warnock & Ossoff will appear. PERDUE WILL BE REPRESENTED BY AN EMPTY LECTERN.

      How anybody can represent this as shrewd on Perdue’s part is too deep for me.

      An empty lectern. I just learned of this. It’s worse than I thought. MUCH worse.

    228. jason says:

      “The Trafalgar poll, & the other polls, seem to indicate that Purdue having beaten Ossoff one-on-one last time has no predictive value now.”

      Huh, no.

      They are consistent with the polls from the first round.

      Polls are never predictive anyway. Current polls show it close, as they did previously.

      So there is no reason to think Perdue has lost any ground, and no reason to think there is any great upside for him to debate.

      As to a “contrast with Loeffler”, does anyone really care?

      Put a gun to my head, I would say Perdue is doing the right thing not providing a big forum to a guy he has already shown he can beat.

    229. jason says:

      PERDUE WILL BE REPRESENTED BY AN EMPTY LECTERN”

      MSM stunt.

    230. jason says:

      The way I see it, Perdue has no incentive to debate.

      Why is Ossof so anxious to debate?

      Because he thinks he is behind.

    231. mnw says:

      You like the idea of an empty lectern on TV tonight then?

      A good look for Perdue, you think? The 3 other candidates on stage, & him doing something …more important?

      Here’s a clue: Ossoff will HAVE a “big forum” tonight, especially “big” since Ossoff won’t be there to refute Ossoff’s attacks.

      Huh… yes.

    232. mnw says:

      235 sb “Purdue won’t be there”

    233. jason says:

      ere’s a clue: Ossoff will HAVE a “big forum” tonight, especially “big” since Ossoff won’t be there to refute Ossoff’s attacks.”

      I doubt it.

      Who is really going to watch Ossof essentially give a press conference?

      Let’s get real.

    234. jason says:

      Let’s compare the ratings for Loeffler vs. Warnock vs. Ossof vs. Nobody and then we can decide how big a forum Ossof got.

    235. jason says:

      If you only have one candidate, it is not a debate.

      It is an MSM stunt and an interview.

    236. lisab says:

      How anybody can represent this as shrewd on Perdue’s part is too deep for me.
      —————–

      i heard that this is trump’s fault

    237. mnw says:

      If the debate is just “an msm stunt,” then apparently someone forgot to tell Loeffler! If it’s “just a stunt,” you’d expect BOTH GOP candidates to boycott it, not just one.

      You don’t suppose Ossoff would be cruel & heartless enough to use Perdue’s empty lectern in a TV ad called “Where’s Frank?”, do you?

      Coming the day after Trump’s rally, I suspect public interest may be higher for this debate than for most other candidate joint press conference, which is what this debate actually is.

    238. mnw says:

      241 sb “press conferences” (plural)

    239. jason says:

      mnw could be right this is a minus for Perdue.

      I just don’t see it as that clear cut.

      And obviously Perdue and his campaign have analyzed and decided it was the right play, and have a solid rationale for it, or they wouldn’t have taken this course.

    240. jason says:

      If the debate is just “an msm stunt,” then apparently someone forgot to tell Loeffler! If it’s “just a stunt,” you’d expect BOTH GOP candidates to boycott it, not just one.”

      Nah, I already explained why it is different.

      “On the other hand, Loeffler actually got fewer votes than Warnock.

      She needs the Doug Collins votes plus she needs to pitch how left wing Warnock is to Indies.

      Her upside in debating is a lot greater than Perdue’s.”

    241. jason says:

      Coming the day after Trump’s rally, I suspect public interest may be higher for this debate than for most other candidate joint press conference,”

      Well, let’s see.

      I think there will be high ratings for Loeffler vs. Warnock and hardly any for Ossof’s presser.

      We will know soon enough.

    242. jason says:

      I don’t know, but I think Perdue knows he already has the votes he needs to beat Ossof, he beat him by 90k votes despite VBM, fraud, high turnout, Libertarian vote, etc.

      He probably thinks these votes are not going to evaporate because of not going to a debate.

      It is Ossof that needs to find more votes, and that is why he wants debates.

    243. Bitterlaw says:

      I think debates matter. Maybe if Trump had appeared for the second debate and turned in a performance similar to the last debate, the Dems might not been able to steal it. There was early voting going on between the first and third debates.

    244. PresidentPaul! says:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnInLskreBE

      Watching George Gammon Sunday live show

    245. jason says:

      Maybe if Trump had appeared for the second debate”

      It wasn’t a debate, it was some BS town hall set up designed to help Biden.

    246. jason says:

      Watching George Gammon Sunday live show”

      I would rather watch the Eagles and the Broncos lose and watch spoiled millionaires tell me I am a racist.

    247. CamRep says:

      Prayers for Governor Guiliani as he recovers from POISONING!

      President Trump will solve this Crime!!! Whoever tried to bring down this Great Patriot will be Punished!!!!!!

    248. jason says:

      Interesting.

      Alito asks PA to respond one day earlier than previously ordered.

    249. Cam Rep. says:

      I am sorry about the hundreds of posts with the same meme.’

      I know it’s boring to have to skip over them over and over and over but I don’t have the intelligence to think of something new and troll material is scarce.

      I know, I am one dumb m’fer, but are you perfect.

    250. jason says:

      If the debate is just “an msm stunt,”

      I didn’t say the debate was an msm stunt, I said the empty lectern is an msm stunt.

    251. Bitterlaw says:

      Football players have been spoiled millionaires for decades. I don’t care about their opinions. I just love the game.

    252. mnw says:

      Hippie-era poster: “What if they gave a war and nobody showed up?”

      riposte: “What if they gave a war and the other side showed up and we didn’t?”

      What if they gave a 4-candidate, televised debate, and three of them showed up and one of ours didn’t?

      Ossoff: “I disagree with Sen. Loeffler about almost everything, but I give her great credit for having the guts to show up tonight & defend her views in this public forum– SHE has the guts my own opponent Sen. Perdue obviously lacks.” (gestures toward empty lectern)

    253. jason says:

      Football players have been spoiled millionaires for decades.”

      Yes but they weren’t given a forum to air their support for Marxist organizations paid by NFL viewers.

    254. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      mnw
      Chill. PredictIt moved a bit toward Perdue(R) after the forum.
      In the November election, Perdue received 49.3% of the vote. Ask yourself, will he lose any ground with his November voters by skipping a forum on a football weekend?

    255. jason says:

      Ossoff: “I disagree with Sen. Loeffler about almost everything, but I give her great credit for having the guts to show up tonight & defend her views in this public forum– SHE has the guts my own opponent Sen. Perdue obviously lacks.”

      You think that inane, shallow and sophomoric statement is somehow effective?

      Geezus.

      But in any case, it is not a 4 person debate.

      The debates are separate.

      The Ossof “debate” was at 5 PM and was not aired on CNN, but the Loeffler debate will be.

      Let’s see the ratings.

    256. jason says:

      Loeffler at 7 PM I should say.

      Let’s not make sh-t up.

    257. jason says:

      In the November election, Perdue received 49.3% of the vote. Ask yourself, will he lose any ground with his November voters by skipping a forum on a football weekend?”

      That is why I am not convinced on the “unforced error” meme.

      You would have to believe someone who voted for Perdue is now going to switch to Ossof because they didn’t debate.

      Color me profoundly skeptical.

    258. Tgca says:

      Sorry I am late to this response LisaB.

      Here is my EXPERT advice in reply to your inquiry.

      The terms “establishment “ and “rino” traditionally represented separate concepts but in today’s environment “establishment rino” is generally a redundant compound phrase since both have pretty much morphed into the same concept once Trump became POTUS due to their TDS.

      Traditionally, “establishment” referred to those select few on both sides of the political aisle embedded in the DC system that worked towards common goals to ensure their mutual survival, sharing certain benefits even if their political philosophies were different.

      Whereas, “Rino” referred to those Republicans that would think nothing of selling out their constituents in order to sustain their own selfish needs. Think Romney here.

      Hope that helps.

      156
      tgca,

      i need a judgement … am i using there term rinos correctly?

      can you say “establishment rinos” or are they the same thing? i’m not quite up on the difference between “the establishment” and “rinos”

    259. jason says:

      I disagree with Sen. Loeffler about almost everything, but I give her great credit for having the guts to show up tonight & defend her views in this public forum”

      After re-reading this, I doubt Warnock wants his opponent described by Ossof as deserving “great credit” for having a lot of guts.

      Just saying….

    260. Tgca says:

      256

      So Bitter does not care about the actions the football players take even if they use their bully pulpits to influence opinion against his beliefs and conservatives.

      I guess he feels the same way about Hollywood and entertainers too. Does not matter if they help to influence others and defeat conservatives and conservative causes because he enjoys their movies and music.

      He can clearly separate the two with a clear conscience. Good for him. I can’t do that.

      This thinking reminds me of some in Hollywood who make excuses for Roman Polanski or Michael Jackson. As the great liberal icon Barbra Streisand said about Jackson, “his sexual needs were his sexual needs.”

    261. Cash Cow TM says:

      Maybe Tossoff is not beyond tossing Warlock under the bus with his statement. Warlock is damaged goods and behind, Tossoff can look “above the political fray by complimenting Loeffler.

      Dems still reap a benefit even if they only win ONE of these two GA senate seats.

      ********************************************

    262. Cash Cow TM says:

      Sorry I did not post earlier.

      I was in charge of fruit for dinner and I had to…

      …pare a pair of pears.

    263. Cash Cow TM says:

      GA…mail in voters…

      “Georgia election officials are automatically mailing absentee ballots for runoff elections to more than 327,000 voters, most of whom are over 65 years old or disabled.”

      “These voters are being sent absentee ballots because they checked a box on their ballot application forms before the primary. State law allows older, disabled, overseas and military voters to automatically receive absentee ballots after making one request each year.”

      “More Republican Party voters than Democratic Party voters are being sent absentee ballots without having to request them again. That’s because the state’s automatic ballot list is primarily used by voters over 65, a group that tends to vote Republican.”

      Additionally, any GA voter can also request an mail in ballot and vote that way [or possible allow someone else to cast that ballot–snark!]

      [***As a comparison, below is data on mail in ballot requests in the June primary and in the August 11 runoff***]

      “Election officials have so far accepted a total of 529,000 absentee ballot applications for the Aug. 11 runoff. By comparison, over 1.6 million voters requested absentee ballots in the initial primary.”

    264. jason says:

      I was in charge of fruit for dinner”

      Fruit for dinner?

      Puhhhleeeze…. I am trying to digest the 16 oz ribeye I had for dinner. To cold to grill, but fried in butter to perfection, medium rare, more rare than medium.

    265. CamRep says:

      The President is leading our Nation in Prayers tonight. We must support Him and have Faith that the Fraud will be Revealed!!!

      Governor Giuliani has martyred himself for the Righteous Cause. We must all do the same.

      Have faith. The Best is Yet to Come!!!!

    266. Tgca says:

      269

      Too cold to grill? It was like 80 today. What you tawkin’ about?

    267. Cash Cow TM says:

      jason,

      We had chili, crackers and cheese and fruit.

    268. CamRep says:

      Donald Jonathan Trump will STUN the world on January 5 when He becomes the first person to ever win TWO Senate seats simultaneously!!!

      Make the Libs’ heads EXPLoDE!!!!

      Write in “Trump”!!!!

    269. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca- If you compare me to somebody who makes excuses for child predators again, I will send my address to Dave. Contact him to obtain it so you can say it to my face.

    270. Rudy G. says:

      I’m all right! I’m a fightah and a great lawyah.

      I did my best to breathe on all of the Democrats when I was in Atlanta the other day.

      I will do ANYTHING for Donald Trump. He is my Daddy and he is yours too!

      4 more years for President Trump!

    271. jason says:

      It was 80 in Philly today?

      It is 27 degrees at the moment here.

    272. Rudy G says:

      I am competing with Cam Rep for stupidest troll of the year.

      Please support me.

      I try harder.

    273. Rudy G. says:

      Hey I finally got some POSITIVE news you guys!

    274. Kelly Loeffler says:

      Vote for me. I know what it’s like working paycheck to paycheck. I am the working class.

      The working class can count on me, not an elite like Warlock.

    275. Tgca says:

      274. Bitter

      It was an analogy and not an accusation of you personally supporting pedophiles so don’t make it into something it is not, as you know that was not the case.

      You turn your head to those athletes who support radicals from BLM and Antifa that call for violence and death to others and you minimize our concerns over this or mock us for our disdain of such behavior of athletes. Have you ever considered how offensive that is? Many of these athletes are in essence supporting violence on police.

      And yes, I would say it to your face as well so WTF you gonna do about it? Smack me with a bouquet of roses? Beat me with your scarf?

      If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen and don’t post belittling or mocking comments of others.

      In my view, those in the sports world who support those that call for violence and death to others like police or conservatives are no different than those in Hollywood who turn their cheek to pedophile and other extreme behaviors that cause harm to others. That was my point! …and I reiterate it.

      If you don’t like that analogy, tough! It’s my view, whether over the top to you or not.

    276. mnw says:

      258 Sheep

      Yes, I fear Perdue WILL lose ground, because Ossoff crucified Purdue tonight over his alleged insider stock trades, & there was nobody there to refute those charges.

      Perdue’s stock trades have been a DEM attack line since the November GE. See, e.g., the NYT article, “What We Know So Far About Perdue’s Insider Stock Trades”

      As for Predictit? I’ve never thought those kind of sites were worth a bucket of warm sewage.

    277. Tgca says:

      277 Jadon

      I don’t know what the temp was in the armpit of a city Philly. F*ck Philly is all I can say.

      I left the Sewer State a month ago and now live in FL. It was chilly here two days last week though and only got up to like 68 one day. Brghhh.

    278. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Mnw
      I receive some Georgia stations on my cable system in NC.
      Trust me when I tell you that the Loffler and Perdue campaigns are brutalising the Democrats with ads connecting them with the urban rioting, defunding the police, stalling COVID relief etc.
      The ads are incessant and will overwhelm anything about the debates, which at best is a 1 day story.
      FWIW, the “bucket of warm spit”presently has Ossoff slightly losing ground from this time yesterday.

    279. mnw says:

      Sheep

      Thx for the on-the-spot report.

    280. Bitterlaw says:

      You would be the first person I ever punched in the face. Ever. You made your appalling comparison. Own it.

      You act as if I matter. I don’t. You think you make some influence upon the world by boycotting everything. You don’t.

    281. Cash Cow TM says:

      FORBES.COM
      Exclusive: The FBI Is Investigating Voter Data Theft In This Key 2020 Election Battleground

      Maricopa County Recorder’s office confirmed voter data was stolen. On Nov 5, 56-year-old IT expert named Elliot Kerwin, was served a warrant. The FBI left with eight hard drives, three computers and a bag of USB sticks.

    282. Tgca says:

      286

      So someone who has never hit anyone thinks someone who has had street fights is just gonna stand there and let someone throw a swing and do nothing to counter it.

      Get real! You do not intimidate me the least bit. Your petty threats make me think you are in need of psychological help.

      I reiterate my points in 281. Re-read it and stop being so dramatic.

    283. Bitterlaw says:

      I have years of rage inside me. I also don’t care if I live or die. Probably not the opponent you are used to.

    284. Bitterlaw says:

      I have years of rage inside me. I also don’t care if I live or die. Probably not the opponent you are used to.

    285. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca eats like a rabbit and thinks he is a badass.

    286. Sexy Sydney Powell says:

      Great job by Kelly today. But remember not to vote in the runoff. Only the Devil wants you to vote.

      OH yes yes yessss boycott yess

    287. Tgca says:

      289

      Wow!

      Do you realize how pathetic and disturbed you sound? You need help and I really hope you get it. If not for yourself, do it for your loved ones.

      But please don’t try to threaten or intimidate me, as it will not work and it’s sad after all these years you would take that position towards me because we have a strong disagreement.

      …and for the record, most guys from the ghetto have years of rage inside them too from the life they’ve endured. Luckily, I’ve passed that stage decades ago but apparently the injustices you’ve endured in the affluent suburbs of Bergen County has carried on with you all these years, and for that I’m sorry.

      Now go fold your sweaters or rearrange some flowers to calm yourself down instead of fantasizing about laying your hands all over me please.

    288. Bitterlaw says:

      You compared me to an apologist for pedophiles. I rank those who harm children as bad or worse than murderers because they murder the soul. Play your words games and then GFY.

    289. Bitterlaw says:

      And don’t pretend to care about me or those I love. It sounds like you are a successful person who has nobody.

    290. lisab says:

      well … i still like you tgca!

      bitterlaw is just having a bad decade

    291. jason says:

      Yes, I fear Perdue WILL lose ground, because Ossoff crucified Purdue tonight over his alleged insider stock trades, & there was nobody there to refute those charges.”

      Except these bogus charges are not new and there is no reason they will resonate any more than they did before.

      Plus nobody watched Ossof’s presser that wasn’t already supporting him.

    292. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      “Liberal election twitter seems to be disappointed in Warnock’s performance rather than drooling all over him, probably a good sign for Loeffler.”(H/T: Ericsouthill @RRH)

    293. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Here are the Early Voting ststistics for the GA Senate runoffs.
      The figure that delights me is the age of those mailing requesting ballots.
      The figure that concerns me is that 6.6% of the mail-in requests come from “People who did not vote in November”.Hopefully, these ballots will be closely scrutinized by the Georgia SOS.(Who am I kidding?!)

      https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/GA_RO.html

    294. Tgca says:

      Twee Hundwid!

      Ooooooh wee!

    295. PresidentPaul! says:

      If the Biden agenda gets blocked, I think Trump has legitimate chance at getting the nomination in 2024 because that would be the equivalent of a 12 year Trump term.

      But if Biden gets the world court stacking, remove filibuster, then that would be much more indicatory of a Trump failure, and we would need someone more like Ron Paul in 2024 than Trump.

    296. Tgca says:

      295

      Oh woe is Bitter.

      Geez! For a straight dude, you are sure full of drama at times. Go cry on your flowers for Christ sakes.

      Listen, we all use this outlet to list our grievances about politics and life, and occasionally folks get a bit frustrated by it all and vent to the point of being ridiculous (think Robbie) so I can occasionally understand your histrionics.

      I’m not pretending to care about you so stop whining as if nobody cares about Bitter. Boo hoo! …and for the record, some here, after communicating with you for nearly two decades may actually care about you to some level in ways you don’t know or understand so let that sink in too.

      You claim I have nobody with the suggestion it is pathetic. Zing! Oooh! You really got me there. That really hurts. Where’s my tissues? I need to wipe my eyes.

      What I find interesting is that you have a loving family but that apparently is not enough for you so you project you are this miserable, pathetic shell of a human being whose existence does not matter. Perhaps your life would be better if you focus on what you have instead of what you don’t, as it appears you have a lot more than many in this world, whether you know it or not.

      …and for the record, I think your existence matters very much.

      Your need to seek out drama so you can bask in your misery all the more is mostly all of your own making.

      You remind me of my mom. She isn’t happy unless she’s miserable. Maybe it’s a Jersey thing, I dunno.

      Channel your decades of rage into something good for yourself. You have the resources more than most to do something about your life instead of being the brooding metrosexual, sweater-wearing, flower loving, Philly, ambulance-chasing lawyer so wronged by life. That is my EXPERT advice to you today.

      Now you have a nice day.

      …and as always,

      Hugs and kisses

    297. jason says:

      Liberal election twitter seems to be disappointed in Warnock’s performance..”

      Asked whether he favored packing SCOTUS, Warnock answered:

      “I am not focused on that right now”

    298. jason says:

      Bitterlaw says:
      December 6, 2020 at 10:41 pm

      Tgca eats like a rabbit and thinks he is a badass.”

      Bitter wins best zinger of the argument.

    299. jason says:

      Loeffler might be a novice politician, but she is no dummy.

      “During a contentious Sunday night debate ahead of next month’s pivotal Senate runoff elections in Georgia, Republican Sen. Kelly Loeffler refused to acknowledge that President Trump lost the 2020 presidential election.”

    300. jason says:

      By not throwing 2.5 million Trump in GA voters under the bus, she certainly helped her cause.

    301. Tgca says:

      OMG! This article is a laughable read.

      https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/06/opinions/trump-loss-republicans-authoritarianism-obeidallah/index.html

      The highlights of the article makes note:

      1. Trump was soundly defeated.

      not just defeated but SOUNDLY defeated mind you because subliminal messaging is important to this author

      2. There are baseless claims of voter fraud and irregularities.

      Yep! Nuttin’ to see here folks and those numerous affidavits under penalty of perjury and coincidences that keep popping up are just GOP distractions and not serious concerns of voter fraud like Stacy Abrams experienced in GA in 2018.

      3. Nearly 220 or 90% of current GOP members of Congress are not acknowledging Biden will be the legitimate POTUS in 2021.

      This is not fair and hurts Biden’s feelings. Why must the GOP be so mean and why can’t they not congratulate him on SOUNDLY defeating Trump in the most secure election EVAH!

      4. GOP members are silent against Trump not because they fear him or the GOP base but because they agree with him and crave power.

      I knew it! Those GOP critters are nuttin’ but Trump loving power craving critters.

      5. The view of many experts on authoritarians is that the GOP defies democratic norms and instead adopts autocratic means to acquire and retain power.

      Who are these experts? No one asked me, and everyone knows I’m an EXPERT!

      6. The author cites a study from the V-Dem Institute at the University of Gothenburg in Sweden that documents the GOPs descent towards authoritarianism.

      Oooh! This must be serious folks if the Swedish professors say it is.

      7. Trump is not an aberration. He is the manifestation of where the GOP has been headed for some time.

      I’m not sure I agree with those 2 really BIG words because most IGORENT Republicans can’t even spell or pronounce them and certainly don’t know what they mean so how can you be something you don’t even know how to spell or if you don’t know what it means?

      8. The authors message to Democratic leaders is that it’s time to stop being timid about using words like “authoritarian,” “un-American” and perhaps even “fascist” to describe Trump and the GOP’s tactics. The stakes are too high not to call it like it is.

      Thank God we have the Dems and the MSM to guide us and ensure the US does not devolve into a fascist nation. And blessed be to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ that we have BLM and Antifa to peacefully protest and fight the good fight against these GOP evil doers.

    302. jason says:

      Convoluted sentence, more coffee needed.

    303. jason says:

      “The author cites a study from the V-Dem Institute at the University of Gothenburg in Sweden that documents the GOPs descent towards authoritarianism.”

      You have to admit the University of Gothenburg in Sweden is THE go to source on any study about the GOP.

    304. Gordon Allen says:

      TGCA. I avoid articles like that,as I’d have to double my blood pressure medication dosage

    305. jason says:

      Gordon is trying to run away from the truth emanating from the University of Gothenburg?

    306. jason says:

      mnw hardest hit.

      Snap poll in GA shows Empty Lectern won the debate over Ossof 54-37%.

    307. Tgca says:

      309

      Totally agreed.

      Sweden with its monarchy and socially slanted gubbermint is definitely in the best position to evaluate the US, the worlds longest surviving Republic and its main party advocating for individual freedoms under the worlds longest surviving gubbermint covenant of laws and citizenry rights better known as the US Constitution.

    308. Tgca says:

      310 Gordon

      Here’s some EXPERT advice from someone who has a healthy heart with excellent blood pressure (routinely 65 to 70 over 100 to 115), and no known plaque build up and good cholesterol levels.

      1. Take it in stride and be open to the European viewpoint as clearly they know what’s best for the world based on history and their societies are fully embracing and benefitting from worldly integration policies without any conflict whatsoever.

      2. Eat a diet rich in tofu and seaweed, regardless of what Jadon says with his 800 cholesterol count and BMI of 55%.

      Follow these two wise recommendations and you will live a long life free of worry and filled with good health.

    309. Gordon Allen says:

      I think I prefer the high blood pressure.Thanks. That’s why God made blood pressure medication!

    310. jason says:

      Eat a diet rich in tofu and seaweed”

      Or you could kill yourself so you wouldn’t have to.

    311. jason says:

      Tgca could enhance his macho tough guy image if he posted a picture of himself downing some Burmese python sushi and a few alligator burgers fried in manatee blubber.

    312. Tgca says:

      317

      I’ll have you know about a decade ago, before I became a vegetarian, I did feast on some alligator tail but never shared that here with you troglodytes because of all the hurtful, mean, rude comments a gay man at HHR would endure for admitting to settling down to a nice peace of gator tail.

      However, in this day and age, I can now feel as comfortable admitting that among all you woke HHR folks as Michael can in taking pride in his salmon-colored jacket he wears on dates.

    313. Tgca says:

      318

      Piece not peace Siri! Geez!

    314. Tgca says:

      Oh my! This is embarrassing. University gets caught violating its own diversity principles at a diversity event.

      Key excerpts below.

      The University of Wisconsin-Madison paid “White Fragility” author Robin DiAngelo nearly $13,000 for a keynote speech at a recent “diversity” event that was hosted by the university. However, a second keynote speaker, black author Austin Channing Brown, was paid far less than DiAngelo, around $7,500.

      Now, the university is facing criticism over its failure to live up to its own standards on “diversity and inclusion.

      DiAngelo argues in her book that white people are “fragile” when responding to “racial stress.”

      Breitbart News reported in July 2018 that Google hosted Robin DiAngelo for a conversation about “White Fragility.” DiAngelo argued during the speech that all white people “collude” to oppress minorities.

      https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/12/06/uw-madison-paid-black-diversity-event-keynote-speaker-less-than-white-fragility-author-robin-diangelo/

    315. jason says:

      Tgca had sex with an alligator?

      Dang, that IS macho!

    316. jason says:

      Predictit did not change much with the GA debates.

      Perdue 66% (+1)
      Loeffler 61% (-1)

      As for Biden and Trump on winning the Presidency

      Biden 87% (NC)
      Trump 14% (+1)

    317. jason says:

      The internals on the snap poll showing Empty Lectern beating Ossof are interesting.

      Evidently viewers were impressed Empty Lectern did not dodge any questions, told no lies, and made no empty promises.

    318. Tgca says:

      I’ve not read “White Fragility” but perhaps now is the time for me to get woke on this topic.

      It kinda makes sense to me because white folks knows this really does happen in real life.

      Eddie Murphy even documented this in his SNL skit years back.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_LeJfn_qW0

    319. jason says:

      California, which has been locked down since March, has a mask mandate and has the most restrictions, had 28000 cases of COVID yesterday.

      Texas, which has been mostly open with the fewest restrictions, had 9000.

    320. Chicon says:

      https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/12/07/big-news-judge-orders-forensic-audit-of-22-dominion-machines-in-michigan-trump-lawyers-celebrate-n290385

      Robbie – aka Sargent Shultz – no need to click on the link, it is just more evidence to not see…..

      For everyone else…maybe we’ll get some answers, one way or another.

    321. Wobbles says:

      I see nothing. I hear nothing. I know nothing.

    322. jason says:

      Mark Levin may be a blowhard moron, but the blind squirrel found an acorn here.

      “Let me ask you a question. Fourteen months ago in the state of Pennsylvania, if you had voted by mail-in ballot, it would have been discarded. If that mail-in ballot have been counted, that would have been fraud.”

      “Fourteen months ago in the state of Pennsylvania, if you sent in a ballot without a signature, that ballot would be discarded. If it was counted, that would be criminal fraud.”

      “Fourteen months ago in the state of Pennsylvania, if you sent in a ballot with a signature that did not match the signature they had on file, that would be discarded. If it was counted, there would be fl fraud.”

      “Fourteen months ago in the state of Pennsylvania, if you sent in a ballot beyond election day, it wouldn’t be counted and if it was, that would be fraud.

      “And if you sent in a ballot without a postal stamp date on it, it wouldn’t be counted or it if it was, that would be fraud.

      “Or if you sent a ballot where they couldn’t tell with the date was, because maybe there was a smudge on the ink, it wouldn’t be counted. If it was counted, that would be fraud.”

      “All of those ballots today count. They were all counted in Pennsylvania because of unconstitutional and illegal changes that were made by officials and made quote unquote ‘officially’ by individuals in Pennsylvania.”

    323. jason says:

      Former professional boxer Viviane Obenauf accused of beating husband to death”

      Yeah, I would not marry a professional boxer.

    324. Wes says:

      All you’d have to do to be able to counter her is become an MMA professional, Jason.

    325. jason says:

      It seems Alito wants the decision to be relevant before the electors meet.

    326. mnw says:

      299 Sheep

      Another figure in that report you cited concerns me a bit: The AA percentage requesting VBM ballots is just over 30%. Previously (IIRC) it had been 28%.

      30% & change is about where the AA VBM was in the Nov. GE, I think.

      It was noted here, I think by Wes, that AAs had been underperforming their Nov. GE turnout. Now, not so much.

    327. Chicon says:

      332 – could be, although a previous post by the same guy said the Court has the power, after the 8th, to tell PA they have 0 Electoral College votes this year. He suggests that perhaps they moved up the filing a day to satisfy the concerns of another Justice.

      We shall see what happens.

    328. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      mnw- #333
      In the November election, the AA mail-in percentage early-on was in the mid-30’s and over time it inched down to 29%. I expect the same with the runoff election.Remember, older AA’s are people of faith and could vote for the Republican candidates.
      If the early voting requests remain as tepid as now, Loffler and Perdue will win bigly because conservatives own the Election Day voting.

    329. mnw says:

      335 Sheep

      But… it’s been inching UP this time, apparently– from 28% to 30%. I wonder if this is because Warnock is on the ballot.

    330. jason says:

      Hard to read the tea leaves.

      Will blacks that voted for Trump in higher numbers than usual vote for Warnock now because he is black?

      Completely different messages.

    331. jason says:

      But… it’s been inching UP this time, apparently– from 28% to 30%.”

      We know the Dems through Stacey Abrams have a big VBM operation going.

      But will they be returned at the same rate as they were in the November GE.

      Intuitively you would say probably not, but it is another unknown variable.

    332. jason says:

      “In the November election, the AA mail-in percentage early-on was in the mid-30’s and over time it inched down to 29%.”

      If a lot of it has to do with Abram’s VBM operation, it stands to reason it will go down, not up, because the operation will get the ballots out as early as possible.

      Let’s see.

    333. jason says:

      And then there is this.

      So far 42k people have early voted in GA.

      At this point in the Nov GE, 247k had voted.

    334. jason says:

      Turnout is going to be a lot lower, bet on it.

      The question is, who will that hurt the most?

    335. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #340-jason
      Correct and as I have said, if these numbers remain tepid, Loffler and Perdue will win due to a Red turnout on Election day.

    336. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #341- jason
      The over 45 years of age vote is robust which bodes well for the GOP,which carried this group by about 10 pts. in November.

    337. jason says:

      Socialism is already here….

      “If approved by the Securities and Exchange Commission, all companies listing on the Nasdaq exchange will have to publicly disclose “consistent, transparent diversity statistics” regarding their board of directors. And most Nasdaq companies would have to have, or explain why they don’t have, at least two “diverse” directors, including one female and one who self-identifies as either “an underrepresented minority” or LGBTQ+.

    338. jason says:

      And this is an organization that should represent capitalism at its best.

      This slippery slope has no end. After this, you will have to prove you don’t pollute the planet?

    339. jaichind says:

      If diversity is our strength then why are they trying to impose it on us.

    340. NYCmike says:

      “If diversity is our strength then why are they trying to impose it on us.”

      -They know better. Do not ask questions.

    341. mnw says:

      “Diversity” is a dog whistle. It means “quotas & affirmative action.”

      These new mandates do absolutely nothing for minorities who are at the bottom of the economic pyramid. What these mandates DO accomplish is to pile more unearned privileges on well-educated, affluent members of minority groups who don’t need these mandates in order to compete.

    342. jason says:

      It is just a stepping stone for more and more of these types of demands and intrusions.

    343. jason says:

      Basically it is an attempt to tell companies how to run their businesses.

      If they can determine the composition of the board, they can mandate that everyone contribute to this or that effort or cause, for example.

      They can demand profit sharing. They can demand companies offer x, y, or z benefits.

    344. PresidentPaul! says:

      Uranium stocks\etfs are finally getting a bid friday and today after a long winter.

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk7SKrzU0AAzyqU.jpg:large

      It’s one of these things that likes to go bitcoin every once in a while.

    345. PresidentPaul! says:

      In the last month alone, lumber prices are up 25.5% in one month.

      These commodities are booming.

    346. jaichind says:

      I actually think this, like minimum wage, is an attempt by big companies to shut down small emerging competitors. Only large companies can deal with all the increasing level of rules and regulations.

    347. PresidentPaul! says:

      Every country sets the minimum wage below the market value of employment so it actually doesn’t do anything. It probably protects a few people who would end up working for minimal amount somehow, but no effect for the most part.

    348. NYCmike says:

      #354 – I enjoy the order kiosks at McDonalds much more than those humans at the counter.

    349. PresidentPaul! says:

      Not so much Europe, but I think the world as a whole is in “global synchronized growth” from the dollar weakness at the moment.

    350. mnw says:

      What if President Paul fell in a forest & nobody noticed?

    351. jaichind says:

      Back in the early 1990s when I was in college invented a joke where I would always make a joke of replacing any of objects of various woke demands with the word “Bulgarian.” I recall in my college there was a demand for a Puerto Rican Dean so I mapped their demand to be a demand for a Bulgarian Dean. Just like now there are demands for Biden to make sure Blacks and Hispanics are represented at the highest level of his appointments I map that to a demand that Biden make sure Bulgarians are represented at the highest level of the Cabinet. I can also now map it to a demand that there is Bulgarian representation on the board of all NASDAQ companies.

    352. Wes says:

      Conveniently New York has found 12 new ballots in a drawer in the NY-22 race. I swear, the Haitians under DuValiers had less overtly corrupt elections than New York under Cuomo.

    353. lisab says:

      And most Nasdaq companies would have to have, or explain why they don’t have, at least two “diverse” directors, including one female and one who self-identifies as either “an underrepresented minority” or LGBTQ+.
      ————————————–

      it is my time!

    354. lisab says:

      “Diversity” is a dog whistle. It means “quotas & affirmative action.”
      ———————-

      spotted the cis-gender white guy!

    355. Wes says:

      So should Eliot Page sit on a Nasdaq corporate board now since he–er, she–er, it–identifies as a white male now?

    356. Tgca says:

      360

      Sorry LisaB. I got you beat and deserve a spot before you as a gay, Latino, vegetarian, conservative, hot dude.

      All these categories are extremely under-represented in Corporate America.

    357. Wes says:

      You don’t fit the bill as a conservative, Tg. They have to cancel you on ideological grounds–though, to be fair, your eating habits are a strong enough reason for cancellation.

    358. lisab says:

      All these categories are extremely under-represented in Corporate America.
      —————————————

      not sure about that, there are very few women business leaders to start with, but quite a few gay men

      tim cook
      alan joyce
      peter theil
      nick denton
      chris hughs
      etc.

      there are even a few lesbian ceos

      but almost no bisexual female ceos

    359. PresidentPaul! says:

      I’m going to call them cis-Bulgarians to make it sound more complex.

    360. lisab says:

      (board room)

      CEO: order! order! can we come to order please!

      if i might direct your attention to the portfolios in front of you, you can see that our sales in south america are up by 5.6%, our european sales are up 4.7%, our asian sales are up 19.7% …. yes lisa?

      lisab: excuse me … what is our colour palette in asia?

      ceo: what?

      lisab: what is our colour palette in asia? sales growth was much stronger in asia than in europe and south america, so i was wondering if the colour palettes were the same?

      ceo: yup … this is going to go well

    361. lisab says:

      ceo: ok, who ordered the rainbow sequins and 30 cases of gabriel boudier creme de cassis de dijon?

    362. PresidentPaul! says:

      Anyone else think the ethnics of Trump receiving the Regeneron’s antibody cocktail to be dubious at best aka certain health care for political elites vs the plebs especially considering Trump has been the one who refuses to wear a mask most of the time and gets people sick at his rallies like Herman Cain?

      Right now Regeneron does have a outpatient trial that people can sign up (no one on inpatient is included.) However, just because you sign up doesn’t mean you get it rather you have a 50% or possibly slightly higher than than that of getting a placebo meaning you can go through all the work of the it and then get a salt tablet.

    363. jaichind says:

      370. Given asymmetrical consequences of sexual activity between the genders in terms of future prospects in the sexual marketplace there will have to be different standards applied to the same crime depending on the gender. Only very smart feminists can come up with a reasoning that ignores this fact.

    364. lisab says:

      Given asymmetrical consequences of sexual activity between the genders in terms of future prospects in the sexual marketplace
      ———————————

      no a 32 year old woman having sex with a 14 year old boy is just icky

    365. Tgca says:

      364

      Wes says I’m not conservative? Oh really? How so?

      Gimme some examples por favor. I’m to the right of most GOP in Congress and many here, if being to the right is what qualifies as being a conservative.

    366. PresidentPaul! says:

      What if it were same sex though?

    367. NYCmike says:

      ” I’m to the right of most GOP in Congress and many here, if being to the right is what qualifies as being a conservative.”

      -I believe you need to have a green blazer in your closet!

      🙂

      I am ready to contribute at anytime, Bitterlaw!

    368. lisab says:

      What if it were same sex though?
      —————————-

      still icky

    369. Wes says:

      You misinterpreted what I meant, Tg. I meant as a conservative, your credentials as a gay vegetarian are negated. Therefore, the board would cancel you rather than seat you.

    370. Tgca says:

      365

      As an old straight female friend of mine says.

      I get being straight.
      I get being gay.
      I just don’t get this bi stuff though. Why can’t you just agree on one. Seems greedy if you ask me.

    371. NYCmike says:

      Wes has a good point there, TGCA.

      Stay in the closet….don’t tell them you are a conservative.

    372. PresidentPaul! says:

      Alphazero’s quadruple pawn sacrifice to defeat stockfish

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPexHaFL1uo&feature=youtu.be&t=8

    373. lisab says:

      A viral video shows a “Liberal Santa” making a young boy cry, after flatly rejecting the child’s request for a Nerf gun for Christmas.

      “No guns, not even a Nerf gun,” Santa can be heard saying.

      (making the boy cry)

      https://thepostmillennial.com/watch-woke-mall-santa-makes-child-cry-after-telling-him-he-cant-have-a-nerf-gun
      ——————————————-

      you’ll shoot your eye out kid!

    374. Tgca says:

      377

      Ah! Got it my friend Wes. I was about to rag on the Crispy Creme State still being all backwards and stuck in the dark ages and how it should emulate to be more like the great Sewer State.

      But then I realized. I don’t live in Jersey any more and don’t need to defend it. F*ck Jersey…and Bob Menendez…and Corey Booker…and Guv. Murphy…and Bruce Springsteen…and Bob Jovi…et.al.

    375. Tgca says:

      379. NYC

      Ha! Ha!

      Reminds me of an older gay friend with a deep southern Alabama drawl who told me his boss was surprised that he was a gay southerner from Alabama.

      I was like, really? Your boss did not know you were from Alabama?

      Zing!

    376. Tgca says:

      381. LisaB

      That was so wrong!

      Perhaps Santa should have recommended something more sensible for the little boy like a Barbi doll or a metrosexual Ken doll. No GI Joe action figure though…too violent and clearly a war monger toy.

    377. Michael says:

      Today we honor and remember the 2,403 Americans who died at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.

      This year it also coincides with a time when 2,000 or more additional American deaths from Covid-19 are reported almost every day.

      In 1941, the bombing of Pearl Harbor led to the US entering WW2 and Americans giving up all sorts of things to support the war effort. They became known as The Greatest Generation.

      In 2020, many Americans can’t even be bothered to cover their faces appropriately to stop the current enemy from spreading.

      Pearl Harbor is arguably the worst day in American history, and rightly so. We are currently experiencing Pearl Harbor equivalent deaths every day.

      407.3K Americans were killed in 5 years of WW2. So far in 2020, over 280K Americans have died from Covid-19. In 9 months.

    378. VictrC says:

      85% , or more, of all COVID patients wore masks.

      The mask mandates have nothing to do with COVID, but instead are a test of just how far we will let the government go in controlling us for the “greater good.”

      BTW
      99+% of all people who contract COVID today will live.
      99.99% of all people under 60 who contract COVID today will live.

    379. Bitterlaw says:

      While it is never good for an A-hole to look deep within, I do not want to jeopardize my relationship with our most fabulous poster. I am still angry about being compared to those who apologize for child molesters. However, nobody benefits from a sore A-hole.

      It Tgca wants to discuss ABORTION, I am here.

    380. Bitterlaw says:

      Interesting point, Michael. Of course, if WW2 had been fought within the continental US, the casualties would have dwarfed COVID.

      On a side note, my dad does not know who I am but he can tell you where he was when he heard about the Japanese attack.

    381. Chicon says:

      385.

      1. Pearl Harbor was a purely man-made cause of death. Covid-19 is a naturally occurring cause of death. Which leads to #2…

      2. Cancer and heart disease are also diseases. They cause far more deaths than the Red Death. Smoking causes more deaths every year than Covid will this year. Where is your outrage on the murders by these other diseases.

      Snap out of it.

    382. NYCmike says:

      Michael is drinking the Kool-Aid again.

    383. NYCmike says:

      Bitterlaw,

      My Dad knows who I am, hasn’t told me where he was when Pearl Harbor got bombed, and is not doing that well, somehow contracting covid despite always wearing a mask and everyone around him wearing a mask. It didn’t help that he was fighting other infections and Parkinsons.

      Michael, life is fragile, and I do not take that fragility lightly. Freedom and individual liberty is also quite fragile, and it is probably tougher to come by, if the history of the world was to be looked at.

      Please do not compare a bad virus to the very terrible human actions perpetrated on Dec 7, 1941.

    384. lisab says:

      almost all of the covid deaths were people who had at least one co-morbidity and likely would have died soon anyway.

      the people who died at pearl harbor mostly were young men, and a few women, who were in the prime of life and would have lived another 40 years at least.

    385. mnw says:

      Scott Johnson at Powerline blog describes Perdue’s decision not to debate as “a strategic mistake.” I’m not alone in my view.

      The size of the debate’s TV audience isn’t important– it’s the snippets re-played on local TV in GA that matter. Guess what? The big story is that “Loeffler refuses to concede Trump lost.”

      I’m very uneasy about the polling. Posters can say “all polling is crap” if thy like. Fwiw, the DEMs are feeling super confident. They may be wrong as hell, but I think they sincerely believe that they’re winning both races.

      As for Predictit, I’d rather re-read all of Robbie’s posts than pay any attention to THAT hustle.

    386. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      “Goya Foods CEO: AOC Called For Boycott.
      Our Sales Jumped, So We Named Her
      Employee Of The Month”– Daily Wire

    387. mnw says:

      lisab

      My HS kids, who are good students, would have a hard time explaining what Pearl Harbor was exactly, I suspect. I’ll ask them & see. I don’t think they teach about Pearl Harbor today.

    388. Chicon says:

      391 – excellent post, Mike.

    389. PresidentPaul! says:

      I think masks work although certainly not foolproof.

      I also believe that any vertical or horizontal surface is a covid hotspot. CDC last I saw was saying the supermarket and small gatherings would now the #1 place to get it now that people are doing less large gatherings. As for vertical and horizontal surfaces think gas pumps, grocery carts, counter tops, vertical door handles, anything like that that people grab over and over usually without cleaning.

    390. PresidentPaul! says:

      I also think the amount of virus you inhale all at once at the start of the course likely has an effect as well.

      So even if one gets covid while wearing a masks, they might have been better off than had they gotten covid while not wearing a mask.

    391. Michael says:

      OK. So 280K dead Americans is your cost for not wearing a mask. Got it idiots.

      99% survivability really? 1% of 330 million is 3.3 million. Stupid. I hope one of them is not you or a family member of yours.

      If this was fake, it would have been over when Biden won. You all said it would and you were wrong.

    392. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Lefty Poll of the GA Senate races produced by Data for Progress:

      Data for Progress poll:(H/T: PredictIt)

      Warnock (D) leads Loeffler (R), 50-47
      Perdue (R) leads Ossoff (D), 50-48

    393. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #400
      This is Data for Progress’ Senate record for the November Senate races:
      Gideon(D-ME)- +8
      Cunningham(D-NC)- +5
      Cornyn(R-TX)- +3
      Greenfield(D-IA)- +5

      Poor!

    394. Chicon says:

      399 – will you be seven, or eight, on your next birthday?

      As Jason pointed out….California has been masked up for MONTHS and had 25,000 cases the other day. Texas has very few restrictions and had single digit thousands (I believe 9k).

      Mask this, Chief.

    395. Michael says:

      California has been masked up? No idiot. There are many many covidiots in California and now it has to shut back down.

      Thanks covidiots for being idiots.

      You really think California has been masked up? You are clueless.

    396. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #404
      Wasn’t Europe masked-up for a long time and yet, the Kung Flu returned in force to the Continent?
      My thinking is that masking is somewhere between risk-lowering and a placebo.
      What say you without name-calling?

    397. Chicon says:

      Little Michael, you didn’t answer about your next birthday.

      You also didn’t answer about your lack of rage about heart disease and cancer.

      You are also completely unable to scientifically prove that masks help one bit.

      So, I think maybe you’re seven.

    398. jaichind says:

      402. Yes. The last Data for Progress poll for GA Senate for Nov election was Ossoff +5 and had Warnock lead over Loeffler at +15. On the other hand the last Data for Progress poll for GA Prez race was Biden +2 which is not that far off.

    399. Michael says:

      “We messed up, we let our guard down. Please tell everybody to be careful. This is real, and if you get diagnosed, get help immediately.”

      Former Republican Senator Larry Dixon.

      Yeah he died from Covid and 200K others who you don’t care about. It could have been prevented. But at least you get to walk around maskless so you can stick it to whoever. Congratulations you are real man!

    400. Michael says:

      Heart disease and cancer are not contagious. What are you even talking about?

      If you have cancer, you can’t give it to someone else. Same with heart disease. I thought you knew that. Even my 7 year old niece knows that.

    401. Chicon says:

      408 – lotsa people die from preventable heart disease and cancer, too. Are your panties in a wad about then, too? Or do you just have a big ol’ sad about Covid?

      You say it could have been prevented. How? And don’t say masks, that’s stupid. And at what (non-financial) cost? You don’t care about domestic violence? How about suicide? Substance abuse? Alcohol abuse? What an evil kid you are..

    402. Michael says:

      Yes idiot if you wear a mask, you can prevent the spread. Not complete prevention, but better than no mask at all.

      Such idiots. Then you complain that its taking so long for the virus to go away. Makes no sense. But at least you showed the “Communists” that you are their boss.

      Bye idiots

    403. Chicon says:

      411 – thanks for the entertainment.

    404. Tgca says:

      387

      My friend Bitter.

      We had a disagreement old Jersey style. I harbor no resentment towards you. My intent was never to offend you or imply you yourself was an apologist for pedophiles. I know you would not do that. My point was making an extreme analogy in general of how people often pick and choose what to and what not to ignore, something I’m sure I’m guilty of myself at times.

      But for the record, do please provide Dave with your address so next time I’m up by the Sewer State, I can ring your bell and then punch you in the face once you open the door. I must admit you will NOT be the 1st person I punched in the face but I’m sure your wife will applaud the effort for knocking some sense into you and then invite me in for a spectacular home-cooked Jewish based vegetarian meal, and then afterwards, you can show me your sweater and flower collection. Deal?

      What’s a little brawl among friends I say.

      …and for the record, I do think many people here care about others to some extent even if they have not met personally so no regular poster here should ever think they do not matter to others here. I still yearn for Chekote to come back after all these years and I even have some fondness for Jadon’s llama Chiquita or whatever her name is though I’d probably punch her in the face too if she spit on me.

      As always,

      Hugs and kisses to my favorite metrosexual

    405. Tgca says:

      I think Michael is mad because this COVID thing is lingering on and he can’t go out shopping for a new salmon dinner jacket.

      Let him be and let him vent over the lack of salmon dinner jackets out there.

    406. Tgca says:

      Is it me or has Michael moved further and further left after he went to college and got indoctrinated and lost his virginity?

      He was such a nice closeted conservative high school gay lad carrying the water for us all back then and so naively innocent in regurgitating all the conservative causes of the day. *sigh*

      Now he’s all liberated with his tranny and metrosexual friends that have turned him against us. I bet you he has let his hair grown and wears it up in a dude head bun now with unkempt facial hair, body piercings, and has Taylor Swift, Cher, and Madonna as Favs in his music collection.

      He probably even supports unrestricted ABORTION at all stages. GASP!!!

      Where did we go wrong? I feel so much regret over this I tell ya. We should have seen this coming and intervened. We let him down. 🙁

    407. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Tweet from Rich Baris:

      Unweighted result in Georgia on election integrity laws and policies, pre-interviews conducted tonight.

      Support for these election integrity laws and policies will be overwhelmingly. Not even going to be close.

      And Georgia voters do not think the Nov election was free and fair.

    408. NYCmike says:

      Bitterlaw,

      I hope you don’t take my comment incorrectly. It wasn’t meant to take your fathers health situation lightly.

    409. PresidentPaul! says:

      Pelosi refuses to wear the mask

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYooiPHMX6Q

    410. Bitterlaw says:

      NYC – No offense taken. Supposedly, my dad is dying. Somebody better tell him he is dying because he is running out of money.

    411. jason says:

      Michael has really been brainwashed on COVID.

      Geeus.

    412. jason says:

      California has been masked up? No idiot. There are many many covidiots in California and now it has to shut back down. ”

      Yes, unless you mean the BLM and defund the police rioters.

      California has been masked up and has had the most restrictions and they are having 30k cases a day.

      The only covidiot here is Michael.

    413. Tgca says:

      414

      Lupita, not Chiquita!

      I remember now.

      No offense intended.

    414. jason says:

      Chiquita is a banana.

    415. jason says:

      Michael’s false equivalency between COVID and Pearl Harbor has to be the stupidest false equivalency ever voiced here.

    416. Robbie says:

      Donald J. Trump
      @realDonaldTrump
      RINOS @BrianKempGA, @GeoffDuncanGA, & Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, will be solely responsible for the potential loss of our two GREAT Senators from Georgia, @sendavidperdue & @KLoeffler. Won’t call a Special Session or check for Signature Verification! People are ANGRY!

      – This tweet gives the clear impression Trump believes Perdue and Loeffler will lose and wants to make sure the blame is not directed towards him.

    417. Phil says:

      It does nothing of the sort, Robbie.

    418. PresidentPaul! says:

      If dems win georgia, and biden butt rapes us for four years, then the trumps are trash, and that would prove we need someone more like Ron Paul in 2024.

    419. Chicon says:

      427 – I understand his thought, with weak-kneed individuals like you who have been blaming him for everything under the sun for five years.

      It won’t work – the vast majority of Trump voters will blame the Establishment Geldings. But the purity peeps don’t need them anyway, eh?

    420. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      December 7, 2020 at 8:38 pm
      It does nothing of the sort, Robbie.

      – Well, I disagree, but different people can interpret it different ways.

      I will say this. As I’ve stated here before, I know someone who worked for McConnell and sees the real polling for Senate races (campaign and super-pac).

      For the last month, that person has told me the same thing about Georgia. “It’s tight, but I like our chances.” Yesterday, that person told me “It wasn’t a good for Perdue and Loeffler.”

      This person stressed that doesn’t mean they will lose, but I suspect Trump has been regularly briefed on the polling since his agenda could be wiped away and it gave him another reason to hit these guys.

    421. Robbie says:

      Chicon says:
      December 7, 2020 at 8:48 pm
      427 – I understand his thought, with weak-kneed individuals like you who have been blaming him for everything under the sun for five years.

      It won’t work – the vast majority of Trump voters will blame the Establishment Geldings. But the purity peeps don’t need them anyway, eh?

      – Should Kemp call a special session of the legislature and have them vote to elect their own slate of electors?

    422. jason says:

      “Should Kemp call a special session of the legislature and have them vote to elect their own slate of electors?”

      No, he should call a special session to fix all the problems with VBM.

    423. CamRep says:

      FACT: President Trump does NOT need to consider pardoning Himself, because He has won and will won the election.

      He will be succeeded in 2025 by His Beautiful Son, the Patriot.

      The traitors Kemp, Loeffler, and Perdue will be in chains by that point, crying for mercy.

      Show them none!!!!

    424. Robbie says:

      CamRep says:
      December 7, 2020 at 8:53 pm
      FACT: President Trump does NOT need to consider pardoning Himself, because He has won and will won the election.

      He will be succeeded in 2025 by His Beautiful Son, the Patriot.

      The traitors Kemp, Loeffler, and Perdue will be in chains by that point, crying for mercy.

      Show them none!!!!

      – Cersei Lannister approves!

    425. Chicon says:

      With “supporters” like Robbie, who needs Democrats?

    426. jason says:

      Sounds like Robbie Goebbels doesn’t think there are enough Rs in the suburbs to elect Loeffler and Perdue and maybe some of those despicable low life working class Trump voters might be needed after all?

      Horrors.

    427. jason says:

      Loeffler and Perdue need to tell Kemp to call the special session.

    428. jason says:

      Put a gun to my head and I would say Loeffler and Perdue are both going to win fairly easily.

      Let’s see.

    429. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      December 7, 2020 at 8:56 pm
      Sounds like Robbie Goebbels doesn’t think there are enough Rs in the suburbs to elect Loeffler and Perdue and maybe some of those despicable low life working class Trump voters might be needed after all?

      Horrors.

      – I think there are more than enough voters in the suburbs and rural areas to elect Perdue and Loeffler. However, I think there are enough voters who may be turned off by the Sidney Powell/Lin Wood gambit to cost Perdue and Loeffler their races.

      Powell and Wood opened Pandora’s box last week with their “Stop the Steal” rally. Its hard to put back in the box what they unleashed. A lot can change in a month, but races that shouldn’t have been too concerning seem to be now.

    430. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      December 7, 2020 at 9:00 pm
      Put a gun to my head and I would say Loeffler and Perdue are both going to win fairly easily.

      Let’s see.

      – That’s not a bad bet based on one piece of data. As of last week, African Americans comprised 28% of applications for ballots. For the general election in November, that number was 31%

    431. Rudy G. says:

      Guys, I’m feeling great (fart). We are going to pull this off (fart). HUGE wins in PA and GA today. 4 more years FART!

      Let’s rally in front of the *fart* DILDO store as soon as I get better from the fake virus fart.

    432. jason says:

      Despite Michael’s idiotic rant, the mortality rate is comparable to a whole host of other countries that supposedly had stricter mask mandates and lockdowns, and some that didn’t, suggesting the virus is really only marginally “stoppable”

      Deaths 1M/population

      USA 875
      France 850
      Italy 1002
      UK 903
      Spain 998
      Belgium 1492
      Sweden 698
      Netherlands 588
      Switzerland 633
      Brazil 832
      Mexico 847

    433. Samuel "Skinny Sam" Alito says:

      As they say in da hood, GET THE FUKK OUTTA MY WAY.

      The BIG BOY is here now. Fo shizzle.

      This election goes to the top pimp Donald Trump and ain’t a damn thing y’all bitches can do about it. Fukk the vote. It’s my decision that counts muthafukka.

      Sukk on those ballz. Bitch. I’m too swift on my toes to get caught up with you hoes.

      Now where my hoes at. I got a fat dick fo yo mouth.

    434. John says:

      BOOM

      Political Polls
      @Politics_Polls
      ·
      1h
      2022 North Carolina Senate Republican Primary:

      Lara Trump 24%
      Pat McCrory 23%
      Mark Walker 7%
      Someone else 3%
      George Holding 3%
      Tim Moore 2%
      Someone else 3%
      Undecided 39%

      University of Nevada Las Vegas Lee Business School/
      @betusracing
      , LV, 11/30-12/2
      https://busr.ag/north-carolina-poll

    435. Ugandan says:

      #445

      That same North Carolina primary poll shows the following presidential preferences:

      Trump 76%
      Haley 6%
      Cruz 3%
      Romney 3%
      Rubio 2%
      https://busr.ag/north-carolina-poll

    436. John says:

      Then let call this the DOUBBLE-BOOM!

    437. mnw says:

      Are you going to take notice of #444, Dave W?

      Is that where you want your website to go, Dave?

    438. lisab says:

      chuck yeager died

    439. mnw says:

      How many of the non-troll, regular posters here have had their posts kicked back because ‘under review,’ besides me?

      Can anyone explain why Dave permits & condones obscene, overtly racist garbage like #444, then?

    440. Robbie says:

      mnw says:
      December 7, 2020 at 10:24 pm
      How many of the non-troll, regular posters here have had their posts kicked back because ‘under review,’ besides me?

      – Plenty. One reason seems to be the use of a lot numbers.

    441. mnw says:

      I tried to contact Dave W through the contact icon at the top of the page. It failed for technical reasons to transmit.

      Anyone else want to try to alert Dave to the #444 problem, or am I the only one who is outraged about it?>

    442. John says:

      More BOOM

      Political Polls
      @Politics_Polls
      ·
      49m
      2024 New Hampshire Republican Primary:

      Trump 57%
      Romney 7%
      Haley 7%
      Pence 6%
      Cruz 4%
      Trump, Jr. 3%
      Rubio 2%
      Tim Scott 2%
      Cotton 2%
      Carlson 1%
      Unsure 10%

      Praecones Analytica/
      @NewHampJournal
      , 624 RV, 11/30-12/3

    443. Paul says:

      Any prediction for what the Supreme Court does tomorrow?

    444. Bitterlaw says:

      mnw – I agree with you that 444 was offensive and over the top. Unfortunately, it made me laugh because it was so offensive over the top.. I am sorry.

    445. Paul says:

      mnw: I’ve had things kicked back for simply a double question mark. Usually there are key words that cause a kick back which obviously can be bypassed with alternative spelling.

    446. Bitterlaw says:

      Sad to hear about Chuck Yeager. He was 97.

      We also lost a baseball great, Dick Allen, today. He was a very talented member of the Philadelphia Phillies. Unfortunately, racist fans did not appreciate his talent. Of course, the most racist fans in baseball for years were Boston Red Sox fans.

    447. John says:

      I’ll be there, flag and guns in hand.

      Million Maga March
      @MilionMagaMarch
      · 6h
      Police cars revolving light MAJOR PROTEST IN WASHINGTON D.C. Police cars revolving light

      ALL PATRIOTS NEED TO BE IN WASHINGTON D.C. — SATURDAY, DECEMBER 12 – 12:00 NOON Flag of United StatesFlag of United StatesFlag of United States

      DONALD J TRUMP TOOK A STAND FOR US, NOW IT IS TIME WE TAKE A STAND FOR DONALD J TRUMP

      #STOPTHESTEAL #MILLIONMAGAMARCH #TRUMP2020

    448. Cash Cow TM says:

      mnw

      You could try contacting Dave W. via his facebook page.

      Instant message him on FB…

      I have used that method to inform Dave that his site froze up, etc.

    449. Chicon says:

      457 – I doubt it was racism; the same fans booed white Mike Schmidt, quite possibly the best 3rd baseman ever.

    450. Bitterlaw says:

      He was a black player in the 60s. It was racism.

      Schmidt was the greatest third base player in history. Some fans booed what they perceived as his too cool demeanor. He was also critical of fans and did not realize his comments would make it back to Philadelphia fans. He has made peace with the fans and sometimes is an announcer during games.

    451. mnw says:

      BL

      Richie “Dick” Allen owed a lot of his unpopularity to his own actions.

    452. PresidentPaul! says:

      https://youtu.be/cUAjq4h663M

      Raoul pal on george gammon show today.

    453. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      RIP to a great American patriot–Chuck Yeager!

      A good part of the great movie,”The Right Stuff”, was his biograph.

      https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/08/gen-chuck-yeager-right-stuff-test-pilot-who-broke-sound-barrier-dead-at-97.html

    454. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Wes,SoHope,JeffP et al:
      Who would you select from this 2024 group in the below NC GOP Presidential Primary Poll?

      2024 North Carolina Republican Primary:

      Trump 76%
      Haley 6%
      Cruz 3%
      Romney 3%
      Rubio 2%
      Someone else 5%
      Undecided 6%

      University of Nevada Las Vegas Lee Business School/
      @betusracing
      , LV, 11/30-12/2

      My pick from this group is Cruz followed by Rubio although not one of these candidates could win in the Rust Belt.

      Mitt at 3% is justifiable and probably accurate.

    455. CamRep says:

      BOOM! Patriot Roger Stone has ViDEO PROOF that North Koreans delivered MILLIONS of Harris-Biden ballots to Maine!!!! Kim Jong-Il himself was on US soil, directing the operations!!!

      The people who allowed this to happen are going to JAIL!!! Don’t let the “Covid” distraction blind you! They will NOT steal this élection from great Patriots!!!

    456. CamRep says:

      My Sources tell me the President has absolute and complete confidence He will prevail against the traitors.

      Loofler & PerSocialist are side shows!!! Let them lose: it is the only way they’ll learn!! Squishy RINO Traitors cannot be in the US Senate!!! They stole it from Roy Moore—don’t let them steal if from Donald Trump!!

      The best is yet to come!!!!!

    457. Wes says:

      Former Senator Paul Sarbanes (D-MD) passed yesterday. Although a liberal, Sarbanes was a Senate workhorse and perfectly fit his state.

      RIP.

    458. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      This is insane. Basically the exact opposite of how Rudy Giuliani cleaned up New York City in the 90s, which David Dinkins and Ed Koch and ilk had allowed to fall into “broken window” decline. Good luck to you, LA. You’re gonna need it.
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      -Trespassing
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    459. jason says:

      2022 North Carolina Senate Republican Primary:

      Lara Trump 24%
      Pat McCrory 23%
      Mark Walker 7%
      Someone else 3%
      George Holding 3%
      Tim Moore 2%
      Someone else 3%

      Robbie Goebbels scoffed when I said Lara Trump would be a serious contender for the nomination. She only has what, 3 times more than the candidate he thought would be a “strong” candidate.

    460. Wobbles says:

      2024 North Carolina Republican Primary:

      Trump 76%
      Romney 3%

      We don’t need those despicable low class working class morons, all we need to do is to convince everyone in the suburbs to vote for Romney, which should be very easy.

    461. jason says:

      I do agree prostitution should be legal.

    462. jason says:

      Minors excluded of course.

    463. sane_voter says:

      L.A. is gonna be lit. At least it will be libtards getting it good and hard. But they probably won’t learn a thing.

    464. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Now isn’t this swell! Mr.F-rts,who has accused every Republican of traitorous behavior, is caught-up in his own foreign intelligence scandal.

      This is poetic justice on steroids!!!

      https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/12/08/something-just-doesnt-smell-right-rep-eric-swalwells-connection-to-suspected-chinese-intelligence-operative-pretty-damn-damning/

    465. dblaikie says:

      Good morning fellow posters. After a vacation from politics, in order to keep my sanity, I am back. In developing a huge anger against these rino republicans like Kemp and Ducey, for me the healthy thing to do was just to watch Amazon Fire TV for a time. How in the world can people just ignore evidence is simply disgusting.

      However, stuff, is still happening. Trump’s rally in Georgia is going to help to turn the tide for the two Senate Candidates. I hoped they listened to the crowd when they chanted “stand by Trump.” If they didn’t …

      Today the Pa dems have to respond to the Kelly Case. Will the Supreme Court have the guts to grant Cert? We will find out.

      But the big boom today is what Texas has done. They have filed a lawsuit against Michigan, Pa, Georgia, and Wisconsin with the Supreme Court for violating the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution. Texas approached the Court because when there is a dispute between states it is the Court of first impression. When a state sues other states that is something that the Court cannot ignore! This isn’t Rudy or Sidney. This is the State of Texas who believes that their citizens rights have been violated by the illegal actions of the above States.

      Because this has a chance, yes I am realistic, of really shaking things up I am going to post the heart of this case. Because it might become one of the most important Court cases in US History. Here is the heart of the lawsuit:

      “Certain officials in the Defendant States presented the pandemic as the justification for ignoring state laws regarding absentee and mail-in voting. The Defendant States flooded their citizenry with tens of millions of ballot applications and ballots in derogation of statutory controls as to how they are lawfully received, evaluated, and counted. Whether well intentioned or not, these unconstitutional acts had the same uniform effect—they made the 2020 election less secure in the Defendant States. Those changes are inconsistent with relevant state laws and were made by non-legislative entities, without any consent by the state legislatures. The acts of these officials thus directly violated the Constitution.

      This case presents a question of law: Did the Defendant States violate the Electors Clause by taking non-legislative actions to change the election rules that would govern the appointment of presidential electors? These non-legislative changes to the Defendant States’ election laws facilitated the casting and counting of ballots in violation of state law, which, in turn, violated the Electors Clause of Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution. By these unlawful acts, the Defendant States have not only tainted the integrity of their own citizens’ vote, but their actions have also debased the votes of citizens in Plaintiff State and other States that remained loyal to the Constitution.”

      All I can say is — GOD BLESS TEXAS!

    466. John says:

      Arizona Republican Party
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      He is. Are you?
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      I am willing to give my life for this fight.

    467. dblaikie says:

      Oh I forgot to post what Texas is asking for a remedy for this case. According to Breitbart, “Texas is asking the Supreme Court to order the states to allow their legislatures to appoint their electors.”

    468. jaichind says:

      But if Trump become Prez via SCOUS the country will become ungovernable. The main focus should not be Trump becoming Prez but making sure abuses exposed in this election cannot be allowed to happen again.

    469. dblaikie says:

      Hey jaichind, half of this Country believes this election was stolen! It already is ungovernable.

      Oh the media is going nuts over this. Proclaiming how the Court will not take this case. They may not. But the truth is that this is a good case because election law is vested in the State Legislature and not the Courts or Governor. So if they have guts they could easily grant Cert. If they do, watch the media scream.

    470. Chicon says:

      Dblaikie, glad to see you back – yesterday we had to revisit Covid with an 8 year old.

      The Texas filing is interesting, but standing to sue may be a serious issue.

    471. PresidentPaul! says:

      If GOP wins Georgia, McConnell should commit to zero cabinet considerations for demented Joe and revenue neutral policy before all new legislation and stimulus bills.

    472. PresidentPaul! says:

      It would be helpful if McConnell would commit to not calling him “Mr President” as well.

    473. dblaikie says:

      Thanks Chilcon. Hope your 8 year old is doing ok.

      The determination of standing is simply were the citizens of Texas’s rights violated by the actions of the four states? If these actions taken by State Courts and Governors were Unconstitutional because elections laws are vested in the State Legislatures then that gives them standing.

      No the real question here is will the Court have the courage, the guts, and the patriotism to at least hear this case? That is a huge question for our country.

    474. jason says:

      I am glad Texas filed the suit.

      But I have always been skeptical of the legislature appointing the electors, I don’t see it happening. Not that it isn’t legal and in the case of GA, AZ, and WI, appropriate. I just don’t believe the R legislatures in these states have the balls to do it.

      I think the only way is to disqualify illegal ballots, which would reverse the results in NV, AZ, GA, PA, WI and MI and THEN if the SOSs refused to certify the new results you would go the elector route.

      But anything that helps cast doubt on Biden’s illegitimate “win” is welcome.

    475. Annie says:

      Prayers for your child Chicon.

      Kids are tough. God will watch over.

    476. Wes says:

      Having the Legislatures defy their own laws and seat Electors despite the states’ voters’ preferences would set a horrendous precedent and cause future elections to make 2020 look like a paragon of electoral competence.

      I would highly recommend against such a myopic move.

    477. dblaikie says:

      Hey Jaichind you gat a star today! Pa has posted its response to the Kelly Case. They argue that even if the law was broken to decertify an election would be a terrible thing. It would open a Pandora’s Box. You have nailed the Democratic argument. Congratulations!

      I say it is time, high time, to rip open that box!

    478. jason says:

      John says:
      December 7, 2020 at 11:12 pm

      I’ll be there, flag and guns in hand.”

      My license to carry firearms (in PA it is not called concealed weapons license) is good in 32 states but not DC.

      Thinking of taking the llama all decked out in Trump flags.

    479. Wes says:

      Decertifying an election if enough fraud comes to light to result in a reversal is fine, Db. Trump has to prove that case first. Then the decertification can occur.

    480. Chicon says:

      484 – the 8 year old was a poster on here ranting gibberish on The Red Death.

      The standing issue isn’t that easy. The Presidential election is 50 separate elections run by each state. Trying to get standing for one state to sue another over how that state runs its election is a serious longshot.

    481. jason says:

      “Having the Legislatures defy their own laws and seat Electors despite the states’ voters’ preferences”

      Well that is the whole point, the results DO NOT reflect the voter’s preferences.

      The remedy is appropriate, I just don’t see the political courage to do it.

      These states were close no matter who wins so there is not a strong enough public clamor that would get the fence sitters on the legislatures off the fence.

    482. dblaikie says:

      Sorry Wes but it was the State Courts and Governors who acted illegally changing State election laws they had no right to change. Their illegal and Unconstitutional actions put in doubt just who the people legally voted for.

      I have real doubt that the Court has guts to take this case but they should. They can even rule against Texas. But it would provide me and tens of millions like me closure on what took place on November 3rd.

    483. jason says:

      They argue that even if the law was broken to decertify an election would be a terrible thing.”

      It should be decertified.

      Unfortunately, there isn’t the political will to do it because the voters are so divided.

    484. Chicon says:

      https://redstate.com/bonchie/2020/12/08/explosive-report-reveals-chinese-spy-bundled-donations-for-russia-truther-eric-swalwell-n290955

      Swalwell taking foreign money? I wonder if this hypocrisy will rile up Robbie, especially since it is an Axios report.

    485. jason says:

      I think Texas has plenty of standing here.

      It has a solid argument in that the citizens of TX are being disenfranchised because of illegal actions by other states.

      States regularly sue other states for actions that affect them (pollution, for example).

      “Under Article III, Section 2 of the United States Constitution, the Supreme Court of the United States has original jurisdiction over cases between states. Congress, if it so chooses, may grant lower federal courts concurrent jurisdiction over cases between states. However, Congress has not yet chosen to do so. Thus, the United States Supreme Court currently has original and exclusive jurisdiction over cases between state governments.

    486. dblaikie says:

      Again standing is not complicated. Did those four states violate the Constitution by changing state election law without legislative approval? If so did their actions hurt the rights of citizens of other states whose elections did not violate the Constitution . If so standing should be granted.

    487. Tgca says:

      Hello

      Correct me if I’m wrong which is highly unlikely since I’m an EXPERT but was not Chicon’s comment in 481 on “revisiting COVID with an 8 year old” in reference to our own little Michael trying to draw comparisons between the attack on Pearl Harbor and recent COVID increases due to Trump and his MAGA supporters spreading the China virus…can we say China virus here or is that racist?

      Unfortunately, Michael has gone from our closeted gay HHR conservative high school intern to full fledge radical university indoctrinated lefty with all his new found tranny and metrosexual friends, and he can now be found at BLM and Antifa riots…oops…I mean protests…he’s the chubby guy in the salmon colored jacket with a dude hair bun and nose ring spitting at police, throwing rocks at MAGA hat wearers, and picking up guys on Tinder in between.

    488. Wobbles says:

      wonder if this hypocrisy will rile up Robbie,”

      I never get riled up on anything pertaining to Democrats.

      Sorry.

    489. Tgca says:

      Cinco Cero Cero!

    490. Wes says:

      Nevada actually changed its election law legally via legislative process, Db. I’m sorry you don’t like it, but elections have consequences. I agree with you about the illegal judicial changes in state law. Unfortunately the Roberts Court was too spineless to act to reverse the state judicial rulings.

      Even so, here’s exactly what will happen if the Legislatures overturn the certified results and seat their own Electors:

      Democrats will pour money into the legislative races in 2022 and have any Legislature they control in the future in a state carried by a Republican for President overturn the results and seat its own slate of Electors.

      That will make us more of a banana republic than we already are.

    491. jason says:

      Even so, here’s exactly what will happen if the Legislatures overturn the certified results and seat their own Electors:

      Democrats will pour money into the legislative races in 2022 and have any Legislature they control in the future in a state carried by a Republican for President overturn the results and seat its own slate of Electors.”

      Maybe this would happen.

      But I was never a big fan of not doing the right thing now because someone else might use it to do the wrong thing later.

    492. Wes says:

      Maybe it will happen, Jason?

      Let’s not engage in self-serving sophistry here. That’s exactly what the Dems will do, and you damn well know it.

    493. Tgca says:

      501 Wes

      But how is that different with what they just did in the election where a few select Dem cities engaged in massive fraud?

      Letting the Dems get away with this now allows them to use these fraud practices as precedential tactics for all future elections.

      Who will stop then now once they got away with it?

      I say we have already become a banana republic by allowing this fraud to stand so why not burn the system down then and try and rebuild it?

      At a minimum, delegitimize the Biden presidency and stall them at every avenue. Give them nothing unless it benefits the GOP. Make them feel the pain. Have the senate focus on investigations and corruption with voter reform as the number 1 priority.

    494. CamRep says:

      Kelli Ward is a National Hero.

      He and the True Patriots of Arizona are asking True Patriots to stand up and pledge themselves to Stop This Socialist Coup!!!

      Will you also pledge to support Our President in this fight?

    495. jason says:

      We are already a banana republic, wes is right about that.

      This whole election is a tremendous fiasco, no banana republic could have done worse.

    496. jason says:

      Let’s not engage in self-serving sophistry here. That’s exactly what the Dems will do, and you damn well know it.”

      Maybe it will happen.

      You say Dems will pour money into legislative races in 2022, but you don’t really know what will happen in 2022 and how many they would win.

      Would they try to overturn wins by a R president in a state they controlled (assuming the results are close enough to be disputed, another caveat), probably.

      Should that deter anyone from doing the right thing now?

      No.

    497. CamRep says:

      In 2016, Democrats tried to steal an election in North Carolina through absentee ballot fraud. This is documented and even the Liberal Socialist court “system” we have had to agree!!

      And now the Democrats want to steal another election?! We know their game and President Trump is too smart for it!! The evidence is so overwhelming, the courts cannot begin to understand it!

      Good thing we can!

    498. jason says:

      “Letting the Dems get away with this now allows them to use these fraud practices as precedential tactics for all future elections.

      At a minimum, delegitimize the Biden presidency and stall them at every avenue. Give them nothing unless it benefits the GOP. Make them feel the pain. Have the senate focus on investigations and corruption with voter reform as the number 1 priority.”

      Exactly.

      If we allow the Dems to get away with this now, we are also furthering our descent into a banana republic.

    499. Chicon says:

      The Texas case is worth a shot. I suspect it’ll be tossed on procedural grounds, such as standing or because it is moot by the time it is addressed.

      Sue me.

    500. Country Dick Montana says:

      Texas should state that they will leave the Union if they get no relief on this, and invite other states to join them. Who would stop it. Probably over half the military is from Red States.

    501. Wes says:

      I’m all for delegitimizing the Biden presidency, Tg. I don’t support giving the Dems another tool they’ll eagerly use in future elections to get the results they want.

      Unlike all of you, I’m not entirely certain Biden won strictly as a result of fraud either. There was clearly some fraud, but Trump hasn’t proved enough to reverse the results in each targeted state. Honestly I think this whole process is as much about Trump’s being a sore loser as about electoral integrity.

      Republicans should delegitimize the Biden presidency and, upon regaining control of all levers of power in Washington, impose the Florida system on federal elections. That will go a long way toward preventing this current debacle from happening again.

    502. Chicon says:

      398 – correct yet again! Does it get at all tiring?

    503. jason says:

      here was clearly some fraud, but Trump hasn’t proved enough to reverse the results in each targeted state.”

      So you really don’t believe that there was enough fraud in GA (12k votes), WI (20k votes) and AZ (10k votes) to put in doubt the results in these 3 states?

      Really?

    504. dblaikie says:

      Wes, Nevada is not a part of this case for that very reason. What Nevada did was terrible but legal.

    505. Wes says:

      Jason, I love how you were declaring Republicans would get their assessment handed to them in 2022 before the election if Trump lost but are now telling me I don’t know what will happen in 2022.

      A little bit of hypocrisy there?

    506. Chicon says:

      512 – “Trump’s being a sore loser.”

      Just an FYI, many of those who voted for Trump feel the same way, which means you are really calling them sore losers. That is the exact attitude that will drive people away from the party. But at least the party will be pure when it loses.

    507. Wes says:

      It does help to actually argue against what I said, Jason.

      I said there isn’t enough PROOF to overturn the election. Doubt is one thing. Proof is another.

      Of course with your conspiracy theory about the Webb-Allen race, you’re not exactly the most credible whistleblower about fraud on this board.

    508. Wes says:

      If someone is a sore loser, he’s a sore loser, Chicon. Trump’s a sore loser. He declared victory before ballot counting was done and spent a month trying to prove he was right despite having no concrete evidence supporting his declaration of victory.

      I’m going to call it as I see it.

      If you don’t like it, fine. I’m not here to be part of an echo chamber.

    509. Tgca says:

      Wes

      This is not about Trump. It’s about every future election. I would feel the same way if it happened to GWB, the 2nd greatest GOP POTUS this century or Romney…who I absolutely loathe.

      This destroys our republic. It is bigger than any one person.

      I would rather we go to civil war and break up the country because we would have better chances to endure freedom then to see us turn into a 3rd world banana republic where the Constitution has no meaning any longer.

      I thought I’d never feel that way but the Big Tech, MSM, and Dems are hell bent on destroying America and making into their image to benefit themselves.

    510. Phil says:

      “impose the Florida system on federal elections”

      Not possible.

      Democrats aren’t going to allow that. They will never allow that through Congress, President Biden isn’t signing that for obvious reasons.

      What else you got, Wes?

    511. Phil says:

      ,,,and the reason Democrats aren’t going to allow it, Wes, is obvious.

      They like fraud. Fraud is their friend on election night, and, unfortunately in the days following the election.

    512. SweatyToothedMadman says:

      Duh, Phil. You need remedial reading comprehension.

      Wes said when the Reps again control *all* levers of power they should enact Florida system for all federal elections.

      Pay it attention, will ya?

    513. Chicon says:

      519 – call it like you see it; that’s what I did, too.

      Yours is a little tent, purist point of view. In other words, a deadender.

    514. Wes says:

      Here’s what we objectively know about this election, Tg:

      Biden got several million more votes than Trump nationally and tens of thousands more votes than Trump in several keys states targeted by both campaigns.

      Whether the known shenanigans were enough to overturn the election in Trump’s favor is a matter of conjecture Trump has not proved.

      Of course I will say this:

      I spent years warning Trump by his puerile behavior was infuriating people and priming them to turn out to vote against him in droves.

      As I was saying this you were telling me, no, everyone was going to sing kumbaya and vote to reelect Trump.

      I was right. You were wrong.

      Maybe–just maybe–rather than spending four years acting like a jackass in public, Trump should have encouraged Republicans to work on tightening election law to ensure against something like this. It’s not as if 2016 didn’t give us a warning of things to come.

      Getting out in front of this rather than continuing to act like his character from The Apprentice for four years? I guess that made too much sense for Trump to worry about and put pressure on local Republicans to deal with.

    515. Tgca says:

      Wes

      Proof is a relative term that includes statistical likelihood.

      Think fingerprints or DNA. It is used as proof in criminal cases but it is based on statistical analysis, as it is not possible to prove no two fingerprints or DNA are unique without testing in a closed system like testing every person in the world and even then that is not definitive proof because you have not tested every person that ever lived or will live.

      Affidavits are proof too as there are numerous ones filed u der penalty of perjury.

      The problem is the courts and others are keeping folks from bringing forth proof or dismissing it outright or preventing the examination of information to use as proof. It’s like a judge denying a warrant to get proof if that’s where the murder weapon is hidden. You can’t prove it if you’re denied access.

      This was not an isolated case either. It was a pattern of events that occurred in only a few Dem cities that did not occur in other cities with similar demographics. Mathematical statistics is ideal to show these questionable anomalies but judges and others refuse to allow it.

      It’s ironic but the same statistical methods used to show historical voter disenfranchisement in the past and accepted by courts and others to provide remedies can also show the fraud here but it’s won’t be allowed. That’s hypocritical.

    516. Wes says:

      Sure, Chicon. I’m sure you’ll join Jason in telling me how no Republican has ever legitimately lost an election decided by -7000 votes next.

    517. Phil says:

      523

      My reading comprehension is just fine, smart ass. Here’s a little problem for you. Without said reform Republicans don’t ever get control of all three branches again so gaining control of all three branches at once is academic.

    518. Wes says:

      I have an easy answer for that, Tg:

      Courts shouldn’t have accepted anecdotal statistical methods as supposed proof of disenfranchisement either.

    519. dblaikie says:

      Folks don’t be surprised if other states don’t join Texas in this case. Keep your eye on Florida, on West Virginia, on Tennessee, on Louisiana, and on Alabama. If that happens, decent chance, it will add more pressure on the Court.

    520. Chicon says:

      525 – here’s what we know, Wes. As you pointed out, you can’t stand Trump, so anyone who feels wronged by the outcome is a “sore loser”. You’d be singing a different tune otherwise. Also, you predicted Trump would lose, and nobody is a bigger fan of being right than you. Overturning the election would make you wrong, and we can’t have that.

    521. Tgca says:

      525 Wes

      I disagree. This is not about Trump. He got 12 million more votes than any previous GOP POTUS by turning out folks.

      This could have been any other GOPer running. The final result would have been the same. With the passage of time, the Dems, MSM, and Big Tech have built an alliance and they will use it to deny any GOP that will not bow to them the presidency. This could not have happened 10 years ago but times have changed and they openly flaunt it now because they discovered the power they wield with their alliance. Who is going to stand up to Big Tech or MSM by themselves now?

      Every statistical analysis and trend shows Trump should have easily won the electoral vote but the extreme fraud in a few large key Dem cities changed the outcome.

    522. Tgca says:

      529. Wes

      Should courts not accept statistical evidence on fingerprints? DNA? What about gerrymandering trends? What about population statistics? What about for determining jury awards for death and disease anomalies?

      Our society uses statistical methods often because many are highly accurate. The Biden win here is like one person winning 3 Lottos in a row. The math as well as all the other circumstantial evidence and affidavits just does not support the final results.

      That is the issue! Not whether it was one isolated event that was an anomaly. There was a perfect storm of events all going to Biden in a few select Dem cities that defy history and statistical trends.

    523. Wes says:

      I voted for Trump, Chicon.

      Anyway, Aleister Crowley had a famous saying: Do what thou wilt.

      You choose to believe because I don’t follow the HHR echo chamber, I both hate Trump and want a small-tent GOP.

      Those conclusions are so sophomoric I honestly have no interest in debating you.

      As I said, do what thou wilt.

    524. Chicon says:

      Correct, Wes. We both called it like we see it. Nothing to really debate.

      Of course, I’m right….(fyi, that was tongue in cheek).

    525. mnw says:

      Here’s what I think, putting on my atty (ret.) cap.

      I am SCOTUS:

      There are some discrete situations that really concern us: 1) state election officials/state judges apparently ignoring state election law with regard to absentee ballot security ; & 2) some situations where state election law may have with been ignored with respect to GOP poll watchers.

      We think we should slow down the elector certifications until investigations into these claims can be resolved. There is little provable harm in doing so, since several weeks remain before the inauguration– time that could be used to bring clarity to the claims of irregularities. Conversely, we see great potential harm in allowing the electoral college certifications to proceed BEFORE these claims are fully resolved– that would cast doubt on the legitimacy of a federal GE, perhaps permanently.

      Therefore, we conclude that some delay in the electoral certifications is the lesser harm here.

    526. Wes says:

      Tg, I’d be more inclined to believe Trump is an aggrieved candidate had he not tried to declare victory before vote counting was done and developed some kind of coherent strategy to actually prove he won.

      I’m not arguing there’s no fraud. I’m just pointing out there’s no indication of enough to overturn the results.

      I go back to my original point:

      After 2016, Trump should have seen this coming and prepared. He chose to pick fights with media people and unknown bloggers rather than get out in front of this.

      He’s reaping what he sowed.

      As for presidential votes, Biden got more votes than any other presidential candidate in history, so if we’re going to argue the importance of votes, the Biden supporters far outnumber the Trump voters and will believe the election is stolen if Trump gets the results reversed.

      Somehow I don’t think you care too much about that.

    527. CamRep says:

      Sources tell me SCOTUS inclined to toss PA results and mail-in “ballots” across multiple swing states. They are fearful of Socialist rioting if they do, though.

      If the Socialists want to destroy their own neighborhoods, let me!!! Do the right thing!! We are confident they will!!!

      The best is yet to come!

    528. CamRep says:

      The evidence of fraud is overwhelming.
      Statistically, Biden’s votes increased over Clinton’s since 2016, despite Trump keeping illegals out!!! It doesn’t pass the stink test!

      While Trump’s votes went down in 2020 vs 2016?! That has never happened historically. Incumbents shares, they always go increase. Look it up!!!!

      You don’t need an advanced degree to know that Chavez and Kim Jong-il tried to steal this election.

    529. Tgca says:

      537. Wes

      I agree with you on declaring victory before final results in and definitely better planning, as I noted before the election because with the Trifecta of the Dems, MSM, and Big Tech against your agenda 24/7 for 4 years, nothing should be left to chance.

      I think that is Trumps fault to rely on those around him to think excessive fraud could not occur because he was POTUS when we know it does in certain cities. Trump probably approached this like a business deal and having his lieutenants handle the details and give him false confidence it was in the bag, as opposed to politics and gubbermint, which is often fraught with fraud.

      Again, Trump did exceptionally well across all areas and especially with turnout. But a few cities where about a net of 100,000 votes made the difference. His team should have better prepared as well as the GOP leaders in those states to contemplate the Dems dirty deeds based on history. Is it no wonder that certain Dem cities are under federal or state oversight due to fraud?

      Let this be a lesson in the future. Trump should have easily won the electoral college given the statistical trends but a minute percentage of votes in key states from Dem city fraud changed all that.

      Popular vote did not matter here. Take out CA and Trump and Biden were neck in neck on the popular vote and that was evident in all the seats the GOP won in Congress and denying the Dems from turning over state legislatures, governors, and senate seats as predicted. This election was essentially a red wave except for Trump and that made no sense.

    530. CamRep says:

      BOOM!!!!

      Military has Biden’s birth certificate!! He wasn’t born in Scranton! Guess where?!

      Caracas

      It’s over!!!!!

    531. SweatyToothedMadman says:

      528: Horse hockey! Never say never, dumbass!

    532. CamRep says:

      The Socialist media declared Biden victor early. Transparent!!!

      Trump won a bigger victory in 2016 but didn’t declare victory until after all votes had been counted and certification!! That is His graciousness!

      Why can’t Socialists play by His rules?! The hypocrisy is ear-tearing!!

    533. jason says:

      Jason, I love how you were declaring Republicans would get their assessment handed to them in 2022 before the election if Trump lost but are now telling me I don’t know what will happen in 2022.”

      I didn’t say Rs would lose in 2022.

      I said it didn’t matter in the long run and as of January 20 I won’t care one way or the other.

      If you want to bring up something I said in the past, do it accurately.

      Also I said you don’t really know how many state legislative seats Ds would win in 2022 and how many and which states will be close enough in 2024 for the Dems to try to use the elector strategy.

      Finally, I said that even if you are right, I am not a fan of not doing the right thing now because someone will use it to do the wrong thing later.

    534. Phil says:

      542

      just out of curiosity, who peed in your cornflakes this morning, anyway?

      Now GFY.

    535. jason says:

      As for presidential votes, Biden got more votes than any other presidential candidate in history, so if we’re going to argue the importance of votes, the Biden supporters far outnumber the Trump voters and will believe the election is stolen if Trump gets the results reversed.”

      Nice red herring but completely irrelevant.

      The election is decided by the EC, and the candidates run their campaigns and spend their resources to get 270 EVs, not the most votes.

      Again, worrying about what Democrats will do or think is not a good reason for not doing the right thing.’

      Count only legal votes, discard illegal votes. That should be the standard on determining who won.

    536. jason says:

      mnw says:
      December 8, 2020 at 12:36 pm

      Here’s what I think, putting on my atty (ret.) cap.

      I am SCOTUS:

      There are some discrete situations that really concern us: 1) state election officials/state judges apparently ignoring state election law with regard to absentee ballot security ; & 2) some situations where state election law may have with been ignored with respect to GOP poll watchers.

      We think we should slow down the elector certifications until investigations into these claims can be resolved. There is little provable harm in doing so, since several weeks remain before the inauguration– time that could be used to bring clarity to the claims of irregularities. Conversely, we see great potential harm in allowing the electoral college certifications to proceed BEFORE these claims are fully resolved– that would cast doubt on the legitimacy of a federal GE, perhaps permanently.

      Therefore, we conclude that some delay in the electoral certifications is the lesser harm here.”

      Dang, pretty good.

      Too bad I won’t be involved in such matters in the future, or I would recommend mnw for SCOTUS to fake president Biden.

    537. Chicon says:

      Here’s the Scotusblog article on the TX and PA filings at the Supreme Court. Seems like a longshot.

      https://www.scotusblog.com/2020/12/texas-tries-hail-mary-to-block-election-outcome/

    538. lisb says:

      i think scotus will say that

      a.) it is not their place to get involved

      or

      b.) they will throw it to the legislatures and say you guys decide … that is what i would do, because it maintains the integrity of the court, without overturning anything

      the last thing they want to do is overturn an election, yet they probably want to keep the option to interfere in the future

    539. Wes says:

      Does being an idiot ever become tiring to you, Jason?

      My remark about Biden’s votes was a direct counterpoint to Tgca’s argument about Trump’s vote total:

      I disagree. This is not about Trump. He got 12 million more votes than any previous GOP POTUS by turning out folks.

      Maybe look at the full conversation in the future before cherrypicking parts to call red herrings.

    540. CamRep says:

      President Trump would die for any of us.

      The best is yet to come!!!!

    541. Waingro says:

      Impeach Judge Sullivan. What a POS he is.

    542. Chicon says:

      Michael, please post if you’re out there. Wes feels like arguing today. You two are a match made in heaven in that regard. The topic is irrelevant.

    543. Tgca says:

      Foyvv! Foyvv! Faw!

    544. Tgca says:

      Foyvv! Foyvv! Foyvv!

    545. Tgca says:

      Foyvv! Foyvv! Thix!

    546. Tgca says:

      Foyvv! Foyvv! Theven!

    547. Gordon Allen says:

      I agree with LisaB .Roberts screwed the pooch with that 4-4 vote on PA before the election; but the Court should rule,as the language of Articles 2 plainly does,that the legislative authority is plenary in a presidential election,and non reviewable.
      If the legislature believes an election in doubt they can decide how or whether the states Electoral vote goes. Period. Full stop. This leaves this to elected bodiy and the courts out of it: properly so.

    548. dblaikie says:

      Chicon, I know that you think the Texas suit is a long shot and that is fine. However please don’t refer the SCOTUS blog to me. Like CNN that claims to be impartial SCOTUS blog is about as impartial as Keith Olberman.

    549. Pitchaboy says:

      I have followed Scotusblog for a while. They never find anything useful in cases made by conservatives.

    550. Chicon says:

      559 – I know they’re all libs, but to me they do a good job of laying things out and reporting facts. But, to each his own.

      For the record, I wrote about the Texas case before reading Scotusblog. I think it is a longshot. I hope it works. Both can be true.

    551. dblaikie says:

      Wes is getting testy. The funny thing is he becomes more like Trump the testier he gets. Wes, my friend, don’t morph into what you have been calling Trump out for the last four years.

      Please understand I enjoy the posts. I am going to make some popcorn.

    552. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Wes,SoHope,JeffP et al:
      So far in the No. Carolina Hand-To-Eye Recount of the regular recount of the first recount and the regular vote of the Supreme Court Chief Justice Race and with a third of the Counties fully reporting, Newby(R) and Beasley(D) have each received an additional seven(7) votes. Good news for Newby since Beasley must net 12 votes for a full, Statewide ballot by-ballot Hand-To-Eye recount to be performed.

    553. Chicon says:

      Pitch, I agree. But they do a good job of laying out the arguments and their thoughts on who might prevail. I find it a very useful site for watching the court.

    554. dblaikie says:

      Lisb I think that you could be right. First they recognize that these states violated the Constitution. But in throwing it back to the states they don’t decide the election. The State Legislatures do. If they feel that there wasn’t enough fraud to overturn the vote (Wes’s view) they can appoint a Biden slate. If they do feel that there was enough fraud to have real doubt they can appoint a divided slate. If they feel that the election was stolen they could appoint a Trump slate.

    555. dblaikie says:

      Chicon I just read the SCOTUS blog and was pleasantly surprised. He hardly talked about the merits of the case at all. Lefty that he is, of course he called it “a last ditch effort”. He then talked the the Texas reasoning behind the case. And then, and here is the surprise, he just quotes the AG’s in the four States. What do you think they are going to say? In other words there was no impartial analysis of the case. Surprising to me.

    556. dblaikie says:

      By the way just to be clear. Due to human nature and the fear to stand up and do what it right I think the Texas case could be a longshot. But please understand, not because the case lacks merit, but because of simple fear.

    557. Waingro says:

      BOOM.

      Kambree
      @KamVTV
      BREAKING: The Supreme decided to take up the Texas case.

    558. Waingro says:

      #568, hmm. I may to have withdraw that “BOOM”. Looks like it has only been docketed. SCOTUS hasn’t ruled on cert yet.

    559. John says:

      BOOM!

      Larry Schweikart
      @LarrySchweikart
      ·
      3h
      Pleased to report I have been appointed by President Donald Trump to a 4-year appointment to the Board of Directors for the National Board for Educational Sciences. This is a non-revocable appointment.

      I am now an embed in the unfortunate case Trump cannot overturn the fraud.

    560. dblaikie says:

      Waingro it is still a boom. I am surprised! If a case is put on the docket it means they will hear it. It has gained cert and standing!!

      Another boom! Louisiana has announced it is going to file along with Texas. They are joining the lawsuit. Dominos folks dominos, I wonder if Florida will also join.

      You know yesterday Trump said big things were going to happen. Well I sort of think this is what he was talking about.

    561. dblaikie says:

      Waingro mixed signals of what it means to be docketed. I guess “docketed” is different then deciding to hear.

    562. lisab says:

      “He then talked the the Texas reasoning behind the case. And then, and here is the surprise, he just quotes the AG’s in the four States. What do you think they are going to say? In other words there was no impartial analysis of the case. Surprising to me.”

      i think they know that the scotus is highly unlikely to do very much, and they may do nothing. if they are moderately activist they will throw out the certs and make the legislatures decide what to do.

      however, if the press gets very antagonistic towards the court, they might decide to actually do something …

      if for no other reason that if biden gets in with a senate majority they could suddenly find themselves on a 15 judge court.

      so best to tread lightly until biden is safely in

    563. lisab says:

      You know yesterday Trump said big things were going to happen. Well I sort of think this is what he was talking about.
      ———————————

      roberts is just very unlikely to help trump

      they are all pretty likely to think trump voters are uneducated rubes

    564. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Supreme Court/Alito deny case that would overturn PA Results. Big Loss!

    565. Samuel "Skinny Sam" Alito says:

      Punk’d YA, bitches.

      Now Where my hoes at.

      See it ain’t no fun if my homeys can’t get a taste of it, you know I don’t love it.

      Hey now ya know. Inhale exhale with my flow. One for the money two for the bitches three to get ready befo we hit the switches … !

      As day say. Bros before Hoes. Democracy before Fascism.

      FUKK ALL DA FASCISTS LIKE DONALD TRUMP AND HIS BLIND COCKSUCKAS

      LONG LIVE DA USA

    566. John says:

      576 – F U C K YOU. Meet me on Saturday in DC and I’ll drop your man-bunned homo a$$.

      Enjoy this BOOM – Remove all Obama justices and LOCK THEM UP too.

      Riley Snyder
      @RileySnyder
      Another Trump NV election contest lawsuit update — campaign is moving to disqualify Justice James Hardesty from participating in case

    567. John says:

      If justices are going to f u c k us over too, then I’m sorry but it’s time.

      Million MAGA march on Saturday. We all need to be there and show what real Americans think about this Sham.

    568. Chicon says:

      Possession is 9/10ths of the law. Far easier to be the one ahead going into the legal fight.

      Republicans need to learn to cheat as well as the Dems. Why aren’t we finding boxes of Trump ballots in Republican counties?

    569. lisab says:

      unfortunately #576 is what most of the dems think, especially young dems

    570. lisab says:

      and you guys wondered why i thought minnesota was unlikely to go red for the first time since 1972
      ——————————————-
      (real letter)

      I couldn’t help but notice your Christmas light display. The idea of twinkling, colorful lights are a reminder of divisions that continue to run through our society, a reminder of systemic biases against our neighbors who don’t celebrate Christmas or who can’t afford to put up lights of their own.

      We must do work of educating ourselves about the harmful impact an outward facing display like yours can have. We must come together collectively and challenge institutional inequities; St. Anthony is a community welcoming of all people and we must demand better of ourselves.

      (picture of offensive christmas lights)

      https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/08/16/36597160-9030597-image-a-1_1607444279949.jpg

    571. SweatyToothedMadman says:

      #581, another obtuse post!

    572. Robbie says:

      Waingro says:
      December 8, 2020 at 4:19 pm
      BOOM.

      Kambree
      @KamVTV
      BREAKING: The Supreme decided to take up the Texas case.

      – This isn’t exactly the case. The Supreme Court assigned the case a docket number, but that’s more of a pro forma thing. And given how the Supreme Court issued it’s Pennsylvania ruling just 40 minutes after all filings were received, I wouldn’t be surprised to see another one sentence statement that denies what is asked for by Texas.

    573. lisab says:

      i think scotus will rule on whether to take up the case, or not take it up, very quickly.

      i do not think they want to allow the mob to gather outside the court,

      so either way it will be fast

    574. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Robbie
      Here is a biograghical article for you from the Wall Street Journal about a pilot who is now a truck driver:

      https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/from-pilot-to-truck-driver-airline-careers-grounded-by-pandemic

    575. dblaikie says:

      Well Robbie the Supremes may indeed chicken out, but it is no longer just the Texas case. Now Louisiana, Tennessee, and Arkansas have joined the case. Each State that joins adds more gravity and weight on the Court. I hope Florida joins in.

    576. dblaikie says:

      This is becoming a boom. Now Florida, Alabama, and South Dakota have joined the case. The Attorney General Elect of Indiana is calling on the Supreme Court to take the case.

      I could well be wrong. But it looks like this is taking on a life of its own.

    577. dblaikie says:

      The final sentence of the statement from the Louisiana AG, “Louisiana citizens are damaged if elections in other states were conducted outside the confines of the Constitution while we obeyed the rules.”

    578. jason says:

      Biden:

      For Secretary of Health and Education Services, I nominate Xavier Bacheria.”

      Translation:

      For Secretary of Health and Human Services, I nominate Xavier Becerra”

    579. dblaikie says:

      They keep coming in. Red state America is making a statement tonight whether the Court hears the case or not! This is getting downright powerful and will be hard to ignore. Alaska, Kentucky, Mississippi, and South Carolina have joined the Lone Star which no longer stands alone. No matter what happens this is a great night!! If you are counting that is 10 states so far.

    580. lisab says:

      romney has called for trump to “move on” and put his administration behind us

    581. dblaikie says:

      And by the Robbie Goebbels, the Court did not deny cert in the Pa Case. They denied injunctive relief. They will hear the case which is important for all your hopes in the 2022 elections.

    582. jason says:

      There is no doubt the votes of millions of people in these states were disenfranchised by the fraud in those swing states.

      But like in the PA suit, the conservatives on SCOTUS are cowed… they probably think that if they do the right thing the Dems will pack the court and render them irrelevant.

      Somebody should tell them the Dems will pack the court at the first opportunity no matter how they rule.

    583. jason says:

      How many states have R AG’s?

      Pressure should be placed on ALL of them to join.

    584. dblaikie says:

      The sheer number of these States joining the suit might just wake the Court up, Jason. I bet that Indiana, Kansas, and Utah among others will soon join. No doubt this is the most powerful development in the last month!

      Frankly I think that the Court perhaps may be braver than we think. Many are arguing on Twitter that they didn’t give injunctive relief in the Pa. Case because the Texas Case is the more powerful argument.

      Time will tell.

    585. dblaikie says:

      Red State is starting to change there tune of blowing this off. Here is their quote:

      “The Supreme Court docketed the case earlier today but has not, despite some reports, agreed to hear it. Just a few minutes ago, though, there was a major change in the situation that may increase the chance that the Supreme Court will take up the case.

      Now it is no longer Ken Paxton playing Lone Ranger. The addition of eight states to the lawsuit now means that nearly a third of the states are litigants, and the Supreme Court’s ability to blow this off as nothing shrinks dramatically.”

    586. Samuel "Skinny Sam" Alito says:

      “This is becoming a boom. Now Florida, Alabama, and South Dakota have joined the case. The Attorney General Elect of Indiana is calling on the Supreme Court to take the case.”

      – Instead of “BOOM” , I say “BANG”. As in tonight, Im about to BANG three hoes to celebrate smacking down the Donald Trump Fascists.

      I got four more hoes for tomorrow night when I smack down this new BOGUS fascist case.

      Feels soo GOOD like a hoe strokin’ my WOOD.

      Long Live Da USA and Fukk Da Donald Trump Fascists

    587. lisab says:

      it is ironic that very few people actually have the opportunity to change history or be forgotten by history, and fewer are brave enough to do so

      and it is now up to nine people who i would not trust to stand up to a mugger never mind the dem mob

    588. dblaikie says:

      Kansas has signed on! The courage of each AG of these states deserve a BOOM no matter what happens.

    589. lisab says:

      the current scotus members are more in it for the perks and cocktail parties than constitutional rights

    590. jason says:

      Does being an idiot ever become tiring to you, Jason?”

      This is like are you going to stop beating your wife.

      But put a gun to my head, I would say no.

    591. dblaikie says:

      597 Sticks and stones may break my bones but idiots like you will never hurt me.

    592. lisab says:

      the Supreme Court’s ability to blow this off as nothing shrinks dramatically
      ——————————–

      i’m not sure about that … the three liberals will want to vote no

      roberts will want to vote no

      and the extreme pressure in a way makes it easier for one of the others to fold, so that they do not have to do anything

      because if they were to do something, they could be in physical danger

    593. Pitchaboy says:

      The four states have until 3 pm Thursday to respond to the Supremes.

    594. PresidentPaul! says:

      McConnell can fix this easily

      No cabinet picks, no attending inauguration, no judges considered, don’t call demented joe “Mr president”, no state of the unions, and no more stimulus bills etc.

      Just ignore him. He belongs in a nursing home.

    595. dblaikie says:

      Well Twitter has struck. I was getting tweets by searching “states joining texas 2020 case.” Five minutes ago it was huge. Now they have wiped it clean. This is getting serious.

    596. dblaikie says:

      Lisab it only takes four not five to grant cert.

    597. PresidentPaul! says:

      If Trump loses Georgia, and Biden rapes everyone for four years though I think Trump’s plan to run in 2024 is a finished.

      The only way Trump’s term continues is if Biden’s agenda is blocked.

      That’s literal and figurative, because if the treasury is merged with the Fed that would mean Biden can buy his reelection and stack it with VBM.

    598. Pitchaboy says:

      If past is precedent, they will get briefs from the four states at 3 pm. And dismiss the case at 3.10.

    599. Pitchaboy says:

      Mr. President: SloJo won’t last the term, let alone go for reelection. The cart is being put before the horse.

    600. dblaikie says:

      Jay Sekulow, Trumps main guy for the Supreme Court has just weighed in:

      “What is at stake here, and this is why I think out of all the cases this is the most significant – to be clear, there’s no doubt about it – this is the most significant of the cases that has been filed. It’s the most significant because it is completely outcome determinative. What does that mean? It means that if the Court were to rule in favor of Texas, those four states, the states named in the complaint, would in in fact have their state legislatures determine the outcome. They would pick the electors.”

    601. PresidentPaul! says:

      How AI easily defeated the strongest chess engine in the world.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPexHaFL1uo&t=5s

      Witness the quadruple pawn sacrifice.

      AI is crazy

    602. MC Pimp John Roberts says:

      Shiiiiit – I can’t wait to dismiss this case. I’ll even dismiss it while getting a blow from my hoe under the big desk.

      Fascists can get the fukk out of ma’ USA!

    603. dblaikie says:

      Pitch they may do that. But this case has the weight of 9 states behind it. Harder to dismiss in 10 minutes. If they are cowards, out of respect, they will dismiss it in 2 hours.

      If they are not cowards, if they believe that justice is blind, who knows what they will do.

    604. PresidentPaul! says:

      I love how the “Trumpers” keep threatening the establishment with not voting in Georgia because they want to pout.

      In reality, the Trumpers are going to be bent over and raped hard by Joe if he wins Georgia because it will allow Kamala or Joe or whoever is in the WH in 2024 to easily win. Merge the Fed and treasury, and pump the markets the moon along with institutionalizing VBM and stacking the court.

      Trump has zero chance of winning in 2024 and no one would even want him to ever run again if there is a blue sweep.

    605. Pitchaboy says:

      They should take it up. They should rule in favor of TX if they find that these states indeed violated their respective constitutions. And then the US Constitution will take charge. This is the right thing to do. Keys are Kavanaugh and Barrett.

    606. PresidentPaul! says:

      Dems delayed any infrastructure reform for 4 years to avoid giving Trump a win.

      They blocked critical stimulus bill that their own party strongly supported from an ideological perspective in late summer to attempt to crash the economy for Trump’s reelection.

      Without Georgia, McConnell will be unable to pay back the favor, and in fact dems will open the flood gates of spending to pump reelection.

    607. dblaikie says:

      We have another State, Missouri is in talks about joining the case. Boom.

    608. Pitchaboy says:

      Roberts is lost. Thomas, Gorsuch and Alito should be good. Kavanaugh strikes me as a Thomas-Roberts hybrid. Barrett, no idea.

    609. Pitchaboy says:

      I think the Supremes will not want to throw out “x” number of votes. But they would feel better in determining constitutionalality of election laws.

    610. Paul says:

      Pitchaboy: Texas case is idiotic and won’t go anywhere. Supreme’s will kill it.

    611. Pitchaboy says:

      Mr. Paul: One man’s terrorist is another one’s freedom fighter.

    612. Paul says:

      Pitchaboy: You are neither. You are an f ucking a sshole b astard c unt.

    613. Paul says:

      That should be “a f ucking a sshole b astard c unt.”

    614. Pitchaboy says:

      I can only hope that President Paul and this foul mouthed moron are not the same.

    615. Chicon says:

      591 – Romney is making a strong play for Robbie’s vote.

    616. Paul says:

      Romney is right. But Trump won’t do it. He will continue his efforts to destroy our nation as he fraudulently attacks our democratic process.

    617. Cash Cow TM says:

      “How many states have R AG’s?

      Pressure should be placed on ALL of them to join.”
      ***********************************************
      WV has an R as AG (Patrick Morissey)

      He is quarantining at home as he now has both COVID-19 and pneumonia. Not sure he can be directly involved at this time to add WV to the list that joins TX.

    618. Phil says:

      Get yourself some help, Paul.

    619. PresidentPaul! says:

      If GOP wins Georgia, and McConnell can block the entire demented Joe agenda, I will view that as Trump’s second term on his way to a third term in 2024.

    620. Paul says:

      Phil,
      I’m fine. I’m not deluded by the lies of Trump.

    621. Paul says:

      “This suit really is embarrassing for Texas,” Wisconsin Attorney General Kaul said. “It’s a waste of tax dollars, and I feel sorry for Texas residents that their tax dollars are being spent on this.”

      Kaul said this lawsuit is similar to the multiple lawsuits the Trump campaign has filed over the Wisconsin election, but contains more conspiracy theories.

      “You don’t expect to see these kinds of baseless allegations from other state’s AGs, but unfortunately that’s what we have here,

    622. Samuel "Skinny Sam" Alito says:

      MC John Roberts, I wanta hear this shizzlin’ Texas case. I’m a laugh so hard boy.

      Load of crap. Gin and Juice boi, Gin n juice

      Fukkin fascists tryin to overthrow my boy Uncle Joey Biden? Heyell nah !

    623. CamRep says:

      The Supreme Court has failed Trump and, by extension, all of us.

      Trump would be within his rights to order the arrests of the Socialist Traitors Barrett, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch. They are scum of the highest order and the Court has lost all legitimacy.

      This is the saddest day in American History.

      Still, keep the faith. Trump can prevail through Patriots organizing and surrounding the White House. Keep the Socialist Venezuelan out!!

    624. Amy "Good Catholic Girls Start Way to Young" Coney Barrett says:

      We will hear the Texas Sizzler while Kav and I kick back some brew. It will be worthy of a good laugh or two.

    625. Amy "Good Catholic Girls Start Much Too Late" Coney Barrett says:

      Hey loser!!!! Get my name right. It’s “Catholic Girls Start Much Too Late”

    626. Pitchaboy says:

      6-3 to hear TX.

    627. Pitchaboy says:

      Roberts is in on hearing.

    628. CamRep says:

      Kavanaugh is a drunk who never should have been named to the Court, but President Trump did him a favor.

      Barrett should practice what she preaches—listen to your husband!!!

      Gorsuch was a loser and remains one.

      Fire them now, Mr. President!!!

    629. Bitterlaw says:

      Watching Cowboys – Ravens game. This month, players are wearing shoes devoted to a cause. I saw several players wearing shoes for autism awareness. If they think I am going to be bullied by spoiled millionaires into supporting people with autism, they can…oh. It’s a good cause. Never mind.

    630. Chicon says:

      Where did you see that, Pitch?

    631. Bitterlaw says:

      I don’t remember CamRep being a troll. Maybe it is a stolen handle.

    632. MC Pimp John Roberts says:

      “Roberts is in on hearing.”

      Yeah boy I am and ima gunna rule for Donald Trump too! Fukk ya, I got chall patriots don’t be trippin’ fool.

      We got this shindig in the muthafukkin’ bag yo. Fo mo years yo! Fo Mo yeas! Yeah

    633. Bitterlaw says:

      I would rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints.

    634. Bitterlaw says:

      644 That act got old fast.

    635. Pitchaboy says:

      Twitterverse. Cotto Gottfried. Twitter has been weird this evening. Lot of things disappearing

    636. Samuel "Skinny Sam" Alito says:

      Yo patriots. Just fukkin wit chall fascists. We didn’t take the Texas case ya dum sh!ts.

      Damn dum fascists gettin so excited thinkin we gunna help them overthrow the people’s govt.

      Heyell nah.

    637. Paul says:

      “6-3 to hear TX.”

      I’ve seen that posted a few places. But I can’t find a legitimate source for that info.

    638. MC Pimp John Roberts says:

      Yo Skinny Sam Alito, we got these numbnut patriots good dis time. Fukk em and fukk fascism.

      Dey can take their white power sh!t elsewhere boi.

      fo me now its time to enjoy me some hoes. I got me 3 hoes and some good endo tonight muthafukkaz. Heyell Yeaah.

    639. Cash Cow TM says:

      1. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is warning people to not ever take the COVID vaccine.

      2. Chuck Yeager (R.I.P) was from WV.

      3, If 1 in 10,000 deaths from COVID can put the nation on pause, then why shouldn’t 1 in 10,000 fraudulent votes in key states put the election on hold.

      4. I enjoy scrolling through Facebook to X out and delete the FB disclaimer posted after any users post about the election.

    640. mnw says:

      I’m gone until & unless Dave W. cleans up the obscene, racist garbage.

      I tried to contact Wissing about this & failed, for technical reasons I don’t understand..

      Anybody else try to alert Wissing that his site is going down? Then I guess you guys LIKE all the “Fukk” and “fat dick in your mouth” talk?

      I’m where Tina is. The trolls can have this.

      ‘Bye!

    641. mnw says:

      P.S.

      BL thinks it’s FUNNY. So he got more of it. Tee hee.

    642. Bitterlaw says:

      I contacted the Wizard for mnw.’

    643. jason says:

      Does anyone actually read what the trolls write?

      I just skip over, doesn’t bother me.

    644. Cash Cow TM says:

      I scroll by as well…

    645. Bitterlaw says:

      I bring a message from the Wizard. He has blocked an offensive IP address.

    646. Cash Cow TM says:

      THANKS, BITTER!
      THANKS, DAVE!

      BTW…in Feb. 2020 a Dem. election official was convicted of voter fraud involving @ 200 ballots (IN THE 2018 ELECTION) she illegally invalidated on grounds they had no signature or no date (neither of which was true) and other election officials found the original ballots in the trash can where the fraudulent Dem election official put them.
      *********
      *****************************

      SHE WAS CONVICTED 18 MONTHS AFTER THE 2018 ELECTION…

    647. Country Dick Montana says:

      Wow, old Paul just totally lost it. I mean if the SCOTUS rules for Texas and the other states he might never recover. Probably won’t anyway.

    648. dblaikie says:

      Another state has joined the Texas case and it is a big one! Ohio, the state of Presidents has joined the case. For me each state gets a BOOM.

    649. Pitchaboy says:

      As Barnes puts it: these four states changed the rules of the game in the middle of the game and they did not have the power to do it in the first place. I am glad the AGs of these red states are showing some spine. The legislatures have shown very little so far.

    650. Country Dick Montana says:

      The SCOTUS needs to read the writing on the wall. Several more Red States join this, and you are seeing the makings of a new country. It has energy, it has food, it has ports and a dynamic transportation system. It might not have 280 characters, although Parler might do. Blue needs them more than Red needs Blue.

    651. dblaikie says:

      It is quite the story how Texas, quietly, unknown by anyone, while the media and the democrats were distracted by other cases, suddenly bursts out with a election integrity lawsuit on Constitutional grounds. I sure didn’t expect it or see it coming.

      One of Trumps main methods I have discovered is that he loves to play misdirection. Sort of like how the media obsessed over Russia while Trump quietly appointed scores of Judges. It is also very Trumpian to give out a bit of a hint right before the dam breaks. Three days ago Trump said big things were about to happen.

      Folks, I don’t know if it will work or not, but this is Trump’s counter punch that he has been planning all along. Just my opinion.

    652. Chicon says:

      662 – each did have the power to change the rules of the game. If each state’s Legislature had passed the changes that were made, would Texas have had any right to sue? No. So the question becomes, did the fact that it wasn’t done by that state’s process damage the residents of the plaintiff states?

    653. dblaikie says:

      Hey Chicon, hope you are having a good morning. It seems to me the question is if the State Courts and Governors circumvented the Constitution how many votes were cast through this illegality? An illegal vote is simply that. For those who unknowingly cast votes illegally their anger shouldn’t be focused on Texas, they should be focused on those who told them that mail in voting was fine even though the State Legislature never approved it.

    654. jason says:

      My answer is sometimes legislatures pass laws that are unconstitutional, so just the fact they would pass a law doesn’t mean it can’t be voided by the courts.

      So they could “change the rules of the game” within the confines of the state and federal constitution. In an extreme example, you couldn’t change the rules of the game to exclude white people from voting (yet).

      Now IMO if the state’s process was not used for the changes, the changes are illegal and not only the state’s residents were “damaged”, but also voters in the other states.

      I think this suit goes to the crux of the matter. Voter fraud, brought about by illegal changes in voting rules, is damaging to everyone.

      If we were not now a banana republic, this should be obvious to SCOTUS in a 9-0 vote.

    655. dblaikie says:

      Good article by American Thinker, they claim the Texas Case is huge. Here is the link in honor of my friend Chicon: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/12/the_texas_lawsuit_in_the_supreme_court_is_huge.html

    656. jason says:

      Unfortunately, I think SCOTUS will rule on politics rather than merits.

      That is why I think we have become a banana Republic.

      I have been reading more about these “drop boxes” in GA.

      You have millions of ballots floating around and you have unmonitored “drop boxes” that can be stuffed at will.

      Then Biden wins by 12k votes and Perdue misses avoiding the runoff by 0.3%.

      And spineless gutless wonders Kemp and the SOS have “confidence” in the election process.

    657. jason says:

      Good article, and this excerpt sums it up in a nutshell:

      “As I noted here, partisan judges are issuing what I will politely call “garbage” decisions. Judges are refusing to consider the evidence, with only one Nevada court attempting to do so. Instead, they make variations of the argument that, if courts were to consider Trump’s claims, they would run the risk of “disenfranchising” Biden voters.

      That is a singularly dishonest argument. Disenfranchisement occurs when people are deprived of the right to vote. No one was deprived here. What Trump is doing, with his request that every legal vote count, is asking that courts invalidate illegal votes. You cannot disenfranchise an illegal voter, whether that “voter” is dead, a computer algorithm, or a form filled out in a Chinese print shop.

      Do you know what happens when you invalidate fraudulent votes and count only legal votes? You identify the winner and loser in an election, as has happened in America since 1792. Those who voted for the losing candidate were not disenfranchised; they just voted for the losing candidate.

      The Texas lawsuit argues that the four defendant states changed their mail-in voting rules without going through the constitutional, legislative process. By doing so, they assured illegal mail-in votes, meaning all votes under the new “rules” were illegal from the get-go. These invalid votes override the will of those who legitimately cast votes, tainting the national election.”

    658. dblaikie says:

      Jason you might be right. I know that you, as well as I, hope that they prove you wrong.

    659. jason says:

      Bitterlaw says:
      December 8, 2020 at 10:48 pm

      I bring a message from the Wizard. He has blocked an offensive IP address.”

      Thanks Bitter.

      I will recommend you for A-hole Person of the Month at the next A-hole meeting.

    660. jason says:

      LOL

      If you Google this you get…

      “Lawyers on social media largely denounced the Texas attorney general”

    661. jason says:

      The author that “disenfranchisement occurs when people are deprived of the right to vote”. Yes, but that is not the only form it takes.

      I agree that you can’t disenfranchise an illegal voter.

      But the legal voters ARE disenfranchised if illegal votes are counted, because it “waters down” the legal votes.

    662. Chicon says:

      666 – good morning to you. You wrote “if the State Courts and Governors circumvented the Constitution how many votes were cast through this illegality?”

      Add either “state” or “US” before Constitution. If a state violated it’s own constitution, can another state sue them alleging damages of some sort? That’s gonna be the standing issue, because the US constitution clearly gives each state the power to make its own rules regarding elections.

      If – if – the plaintiffs are determined to have the standing to sue, next we need to find a US constitutional or statutory violation committed by each defendant state.

      If we can find a violation, then we examine the remedy. Is it money? No. A judicial determination that Trump won, with an order directing the Electoral College to vote for him? Highly unlikely. An order telling state Legislatures to decide which electors to send? Could be, but is there time? An order blocking the defendant states from sending ANY electors to the Electoral College? Possibly.

      I’m not predicting one way or the other, but these are the types of issues that would need to be addressed by the Court.

    663. Chicon says:

      674 – the question is something like this…how is a Texas voter, whose vote was properly counted toward a determination of a slate of Texas electors, disenfranchised by voting rules in another state? He still has the right to vote, did vote, and his vote was fully counted.

      Did the four defendant states effectively make his vote not count by making changes to their own rules without Legislative approval? Not because they changed the rules (which they are free to do), but because it was done with an improper procedure.

    664. Pitchaboy says:

      DJT wins if the Supremes have the guts and long term vision. They do not have to overturn this election. They just need to rule on the constitutionality or lack thereof of rule changes. The rest is up to state legislatures who will now have judicial backup. I agree with Jason that the judiciary here is that of a banana republic. There is no independence especially among the lefty judges.

    665. Pitchaboy says:

      When rogue states run an unconstitutional election, they dilute the significance of those who follow the rules.

    666. dblaikie says:

      Well Trump has spoken. This is the one he is putting “all the marbles on.” Here is his quote/tweet:

      “We will be INTERVENING in the Texas (plus many other states) case. This is the big one. Our Country needs a victory!”

    667. jason says:

      Add either “state” or “US” before Constitution. If a state violated it’s own constitution, can another state sue them alleging damages of some sort? That’s gonna be the standing issue, because the US constitution clearly gives each state the power to make its own rules regarding elections.”

      I don’t buy this at all. No state is given the right to do anything that is unconstitutional. The suit is not about a state violating it’s own constitution. It is about a state disenfranchising the voters in another state.

      “:If – if – the plaintiffs are determined to have the standing to sue, next we need to find a US constitutional or statutory violation committed by each defendant state.”

      I don’t know if this is the requirement, I will let the lawyers opine.

      If we can find a violation, then we examine the remedy.”

      Yeah, this is the big question, frankly I think the standing issue is a slam dunk. And here is where politics will intervene, I doubt they will void the election.

    668. Chicon says:

      678 – diluted? How? Texas still has the same number of Electoral College votes, as does every state. Texas’ Electoral College votes are the exact same percentage of the total as they would have had if the four states had followed their own rules.

    669. dblaikie says:

      If you think that Texas, by itself, just up and did this, I have an oceanfront lot to sell you in Montana. This has secretly been in the works for a long time. And you know what, I think that the timing on this deliberate. It forces the court’s hands.

      If I had to guess, I think that out of respect for these States the Court will hear this case. However if they rule in favor of Texas et. al. is another matter. The question is are they political or are a majority like Amy who claim they just go by the Constitution.

      I still don’t believe how the media is still trying to keep this under the table.

    670. jason says:

      674 – the question is something like this…how is a Texas voter, whose vote was properly counted toward a determination of a slate of Texas electors, disenfranchised by voting rules in another state? He still has the right to vote, did vote, and his vote was fully counted.”

      This is an easy. He was disenfranchised because it is a national election, not a statewide one. Because it is a national election, his vote was diluted and worth less than it should be. His vote WAS NOT fully counted.

      Did the four defendant states effectively make his vote not count by making changes to their own rules without Legislative approval? Not because they changed the rules (which they are free to do), but because it was done with an improper procedure”

      Again, they are only “free to change the rules” IF it is constitutional. And calling this “improper procedure” is like calling a murder a “transgression of the law”. This was a lot worse than “improper procedure”.

    671. Chicon says:

      680 – standing is an open enough issue to give the Court the ability to avoid ruling on the merits. If they want to rule on the merits, there’s a pretty good chance they will get past the standing issue. But it is far from a slam dunk, imo.

      We shall see what happens.

    672. jason says:

      678 – diluted? How? Texas still has the same number of Electoral College votes, as does every state. Texas’ Electoral College votes are the exact same percentage of the total as they would have had if the four states had followed their own rules.”

      Of course it was diluted. In effect the Texas EVs did not count in the election. If the final EV count is tainted by illegality in 4 states, then the EVs of the other states are diluted.

    673. jason says:

      If they want to rule on the merits, there’s a pretty good chance they will get past the standing issue. But it is far from a slam dunk, imo.”

      I didn’t say the ruling on standing is a slam dunk.

      I just think the standing issue is a slam dunk.

      Politics may well dictate that they won’t want to get involved and standing might be an excuse not to do it.

    674. mnw says:

      Yes, thanks BL. Thanks Dave W.

      I like J E N N A as much as Wes does, but I thought all that sewer language made the site unbearable.

      I STILL don ‘t unnerstan’ why I’ve had dozens of posts blocked as “under review,” even tho none of them contained obscene gutter talk, but THAT guy’s posts went right through for all to enjoy!

    675. dblaikie says:

      Sorry Chicon but I don’t buy your argument. The question is did these States Courts and Executive act unconstitutionally when they changed the law without the Legislature? If they did any vote under these illegal rules are illegal.

      To give an election to a person who won due to laws which are not Constitutional defrauds the voters in States which votes were Constitutional.

      I don’t have any idea what is going to happen but the issue seems pretty clear. Please read the American Thinker article, in my view it clarifies the issue rather well.

    676. jason says:

      If you think that Texas, by itself, just up and did this, I have an oceanfront lot to sell you in Montana. This has secretly been in the works for a long time. And you know what, I think that the timing on this deliberate. It forces the court’s hands.”

      Maybe. The speed in which the other states joined might support that view. I think it is obvious the AG’s might have coordinated this with TX.

    677. Pitchaboy says:

      When you vote for President you are voting for a slate of electors for your side. If the other side plays unfairly in another state and illegal votes are cast, since it is ultimately a national office, their illegal vote dilutes your legal vote. Four states out of 50 not following the rules violates the rights of 46 other states and thereby the individuals that make up those states.

    678. Chicon says:

      683 – 1st, it is not a national election, it is 50 state elections to pick a predetermined number of electors for each state. Texas got their designated amount, as did the defendant states.

      2nd – the Legislatures of each state absolutely has the power to run its elections however it would like. It’s true that those rules can’t violate the US constitution, but there is no allegation that the changes made violated the US constitution. The allegation is that the Legislature isn’t the entity that made the change and that the change is illegal because of that. If the changes made were a violation of the US constitution even if passed by the state Legislature, that would be the argument made by Texas. It isn’t.

    679. jason says:

      I STILL don ‘t unnerstan’ why I’ve had dozens of posts blocked as “under review,”

      There could have been an offending word. Often I get these under review messages and change a word and it goes through.

      I know st-ff used to be one of them, although might be ok now. So is cas-no. You can’t have more than 2 question marks at the end of the sentence. And so on, there are dozens of these words.

    680. Pitchaboy says:

      Each state has the right to make up its own rules. But these rules were not made by the legislative bodies of the states. They were done by executive and judicial fiat.

    681. PresidentPaul! says:

      YouTube To Delete Content That ‘Undermines’ 2020 US Election Results

      https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/youtube-delete-content-undermines-2020-us-election-results

    682. TgcaTheExpert says:

      674

      Ok. This is a bit complicated so as an EXPERT, I will ‘splain to all you bishes.

      Illegal votes can never disenfranchise voters who cast them under any circumstance since illegal votes legally have no legal standing in the legal voting tally process, while clearly voters who cast legal votes can be disenfranchised if illegal votes are allowed to have legal standing in the legal voting tally process.

      This should be clear to all and as simple to understand as:

      How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

    683. jason says:

      683 – 1st, it is not a national election, it is 50 state elections to pick a predetermined number of electors for each state. Texas got their designated amount, as did the defendant states. ”

      Sorry, that dog won’t hunt.

      It IS a national election, each state has a percentage of the EVs that count towards the total.

      If illegality taints the total, then the percentage of the other states is diluted. The EVs of Texas are now counting less than they should.

      This is not rocket science.

    684. jason says:

      2nd – the Legislatures of each state absolutely has the power to run its elections however it would like. It’s true that those rules can’t violate the US constitution, but there is no allegation that the changes made violated the US constitution. The allegation is that the Legislature isn’t the entity that made the change and that the change is illegal because of that. If the changes made were a violation of the US constitution even if passed by the state Legislature, that would be the argument made by Texas. It isn’t.”

      Straw argument. The “run its elections however it likes” is complete BS, it has to conform to the state and the US constitution. If something is illegal it is illegal. The argument that “well, it could have been legal IF x, y, or z happened is of course completely immaterial.

      I could go out and shoot someone and claim, heck, if murder was legal in this state, I wouldn’t be prosecuted.

      That is why the “it is only improper procedure” argument is complete garbage. It is not “improper procedure”, it is either legal or illegal.

    685. jason says:

      “Illegal votes can never disenfranchise voters who cast them under any circumstance since illegal votes legally have no legal standing in the legal voting tally process, while clearly voters who cast legal votes can be disenfranchised if illegal votes are allowed to have legal standing in the legal voting tally process.”

      Excellent. Tgca, MLS (3), MDR (2), JD (3), LLM (2)

    686. JeffP says:

      694…Facebook, YouTube, Google, Twitter…just like the media are all part of the CCP takeover of the US. Our country is being destabilized step by step. Virus, Lockdowns, economic loss all over the world, can’t travel, riots in US cities, stolen election, CIA, FBI, DOJ corrupt and gets away with whatever the want. Weak state leaders in PA, GA, MI just let the steal happen. If you don’t think this whole thing was not organized by the Davos crowd and Bilderberg you are the one that is believing the conspiracy. Soros passes out the money. Every aspect of our country has been infiltrated by leftist philosophy. Even the good old Southern Baptist church leadership is endorsing leftist ideology. Pope…got him in their pocket. Trumps America First policy is not part of their plan. America needs to remain the worlds piggy bank and military to take out other countries that won’t play by the globalist rules. This is no longer about Dem vs GOP. It is about globalism vs national sovereignty. It is about lies vs truth. Satan vs Kingdom of God.

    687. Tgca says:

      Theven Hundwid thuckers!

      Theven Hundwid I thay!

    688. JeffP says:

      The Texas lawsuit should change the whole course of this election. It is rooted in Constitutional law. The SCOTUS should rule in Texas favor. If they don’t we are screwed…and evil wins.

    689. dblaikie says:

      Here is the quote of the day. “Government is not free to disregard the Constitution in times of crisis.”

      Do you know who said that? Justice Neil Gorsuch! Well lets see if he really stands by that.

    690. jason says:

      In my view

      Standing – slam dunk
      Merits – slam dunk
      Remedy – therein lies the problem

      Because there is no easy out on remedy, I think SCOTUS will punt on one of the first two.

    691. mnw says:

      698

      Great mocking of Tg for not being an atty.

      Only thing is, Dershowitz says the exact same thing as Tg. Former Harvard Law professor. Plenty of initials behind HIS name.

      (Let me guess your automatic response: “Dershowitz is a moron,” i.e., somebody jason doesn’t like).

    692. jason says:

      698

      Great mocking of Tg for not being an atty.”

      Not mocking.

      Tgca is the leading HHR expert on all matters except gayness and nutrition.

    693. jason says:

      I completely agree with Tgca’s post and thought it was an excellent summary of the issue.

    694. Chicon says:

      697 – as I pointed out, any election law passed by the state must be constitutional. The state Supreme Court decides if it is in compliance with the state constitution. The US Supreme Court decides if it violates the US constitution.

      Here’s the main point again – there is no allegation that the new rules themselves violate the US constitution. None. Not in the complaint. Why? Because the state had the power to make the changes.

      The allegation is that enacting the new rules without legislative approval violates the US constitution. How? Remember, we like textualists as judges, so we need to find language in the document that supports that allegation.

    695. jason says:

      mnw, if you took the time to read my posts before Tgca’s you will see it reflects my point of view.

      I just thought he expressed it better than I did.

      And I am a big fan of Dershowitz. Although a liberal, he is not afraid of going off the reservation (like when he opined on the bogus impeachment process).

    696. Gordon Allen says:

      Jason. The Court could rule the legislature alone can change laws regarding a Presidential Election,and changes made otherwise are not Constitutional.And leave it to the respective legislatures to affect their will as a result, passing it back to the elected, constitutionally designated body in each state. Whether 5 Republicans have the chops to do that( Roberts clearly doesn’t) is iffy at best.

    697. Country Dick Montana says:

      How many states and which ones have joined with TX on the SC case?

    698. jason says:

      “Here’s the main point again – there is no allegation that the new rules themselves violate the US constitution. None. Not in the complaint. Why? Because the state had the power to make the changes.”

      Straw argument. Immaterial. Irrelevant. The issue is whether the changes were legal or illegal. If they were illegal, they disenfranchised the voters in the other states.

      Your argument is IF the changes were legal, they would be legal. Maybe. But that would be a whole other issue.

      The allegation is that enacting the new rules without legislative approval violates the US constitution. How? Remember, we like textualists as judges, so we need to find language in the document that supports that allegation.”

      You just said that is not the argument, and that no violation is alleged. Which is it?

      The argument is simple. The changes were illegal. The election was decided based on illegal votes.

    699. jason says:

      OH, KY, AL, SC, FL, LA, SD, AR… did I miss any.

    700. Chicon says:

      709 – the question there is timing. If they take the case at all, there will be some time until a decision is announced. I’d guess a week or so. Would the Legislatures have time to act?

      Also, there’s this…if the decision is announced after states have given the list to the Electoral College, how will it be enforced? What if Congress (who decides what Electoral votes to count) ignores a ruling that the Electoral College must not count the votes of the four states?

    701. Gordon Allen says:

      No state law or state constitutional provision can alter Article 2 of the US Constitution regarding the power of the legislature to determine the method of selecting Electors in the Presidential race in their state. Period. I think the Court will have to invent another way out of deciding, because I don’t see how they can decide otherwise on that issue.

    702. jason says:

      709 – Would the Legislatures have time to act?

      Also, there’s this…if the decision is announced after states have given the list to the Electoral College, how will it be enforced? What if Congress (who decides what Electoral votes to count) ignores a ruling that the Electoral College must not count the votes of the four states?”

      These are good questions and difficult to answer. That is why I am pessimistic… there is no good remedy that would not ignite a firestorm.

    703. Pitchaboy says:

      If they do not take up the case or rule against it, elections are over here. It would set precedent for the random changing of rules by fiat in the future. I feel they will agree with TX. They will prescribe no remedy and leave it up to the state legislatures to find one. The integrity of the court and constitution is preserved. And, in the future, random rule changes without legislation is stopped. Supreme hacks like PA Supremes are shut down.

    704. Pitchaboy says:

      It is entirely a different matter what the states will do. If this whole thing was planned in advance, as I am beginning to suspect, DJT has a plan.

    705. Chicon says:

      The Texas filing is well done and pretty creative (meant as a compliment).

      Why didn’t they file it a month ago?

    706. Pitchaboy says:

      Pelosi was talking about the election coming to the House in October. Will it throw the big cities into riots? Yes? But it would be a principle worth burning over.

    707. Pitchaboy says:

      I believe it is timing. Multiple states joining in and EC dates coming due puts a touch of pressure on the Supremes.

    708. Pitchaboy says:

      This case puts true textual conservatives versus pseudo-textuals to the test. Men v Boys.

    709. Chicon says:

      Question for the group…if Adams County, Wisconsin decides to change from one type of paper ballot to another type of paper ballot, does it need to be approved by the Wisconsin legislature in order to pass muster under Article 2 of the US constitution?

    710. Chicon says:

      720 – the timing gives the Court cover to punt.

    711. CamRep says:

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    712. michael corleone says:

      722 – If the change to a different ballot style does not violate state law then I don’t see an issue. Legislature does not have to approve if it is otherwise consistent with law.

    713. CamRep says:

      Those of you who have faith in the Supreme Court to decide the Texas case rightly are fools. They have been bought, lock, stock, and barrels, by the Cuban Communist Party.

      Lock them all up! Replace the Courts immediately! It is in Trump’s power in an Emergency!! Read the Constitution!!!

    714. CamRep says:

      LAW AND ORDER!!!

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    715. Pitchaboy says:

      I thought these jokers were blocked.

    716. Chicon says:

      725 – I agree.

      Let’s say the county enacts mail-in voting, relies on a vague state statute for the authority to do so; and wins a court challenge in the WI Supreme Court, with the Court ruling that the statute does give the County the power to make the change. Does that violate Article 2 of the US constitution?

    717. jason says:

      Question for the group…if Adams County, Wisconsin decides to change from one type of paper ballot to another type of paper ballot, does it need to be approved by the Wisconsin legislature in order to pass muster under Article 2 of the US constitution?”

      Again, this is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

      Is it legal for a county in WI to change the type of paper on ballots?

      There is probably already a standard in place on what type of paper can be used. Or maybe there is a uniform standard for the state and they have to use the same paper.

      I get the inference here, but I reject it.

      The PA constitution does not allow for the type of changes made if not made by the legislature. So ballots cast under such changes are not legal ballots.

      Whether the legislature would be entitled to such changes and whether they would be legal under the PA and US constitution are other issues.

    718. michael corleone says:

      Jason Scotus is going to throw it out on standing on the ground that TX does not have a cognizable interest in Pa’s election procedures. I think this may be wrong. However I would probably dismiss the case on the political question doctrine because the Constitution textually commits the resolution of this particular dispute to the legislatures and Congress. Despite a bad outcome, If we get a statement from any Justice noting that legislatures are not confined by existing statute and can resolve the dispute —- thereby opening the door to legislative/Congressional action — I would be satisfied.

    719. michael corleone says:

      729 – I think so and think that is a reviewable question by Scotus. Roberts disagrees on this point (he defers to state courts) but I think federal review is appropriate since the fed constitution commits these decisions to the legislatures.

    720. jason says:

      Does that violate Article 2 of the US constitution?”

      It doesn’t matter IMO.

      What violates the constitution is if one person’s vote counts less than another person’s vote.

      Let’s say there are 100 senators voting on a bill. The issue passes 52-48. It is determined 5 of the senators voting in the majority weren’t really there for the vote and instead had their pages vote for them (assuming this is not legal).

      The 48 senators on the losing side can claim their vote counted less than the vote of each of the 47 senators that voted legally for the majority.

      Under Chicon’s argument, what matters is that IF the 5 senators HAD been in the chamber, they WOULD have voted in the majority.

      I don’t agree.

    721. jason says:

      Legislature does not have to approve if it is otherwise consistent with law.”

      Apples and oranges.

      The changes enacted were NOT consistent with the law, since they could only be enacted by the legislature.

    722. Chicon says:

      732 – I agree again. As I can tell you know, these are the type of probing, line-drawing questions brought up in oral arguments at the Court.

      If we add in that the County asked the Legislature to approve the claim, the Legislature voted it down, and the county went ahead anyway; that’s even clearer.

      I’m with you, standing is gonna be a real hurdle to clear.

    723. Cam Rep. says:

      Pitchaboy says:
      December 9, 2020 at 11:22 am

      I thought these jokers were blocked.”

      I don’t use obscene language.

      I am just a run of the mill troll moron compelled to repeat the same meme hundreds of times.

      But thanks for noticing me, nobody else does.

    724. jason says:

      standing is gonna be a real hurdle to clear.”

      Only because of the politics.

      Legally it should be a slam dunk.

      Jason Scotus is going to throw it out on standing on the ground that TX does not have a cognizable interest in Pa’s election procedures.”

      Very probable but it would be a travesty. This is not about PA’s election procedures, it is about how illegal voting ANYWHERE disenfranchises legal voters elsewhere. TX does have a cognizable interest in that.

    725. Chicon says:

      737 – “Legally it should be a slam dunk.”

      You may want it to be a slam dunk legally, but it is a pretty complex issue with cases all over the map. Not easy and not clear cut.

      I hope they take the case, even if they deny it on procedural grounds; I think an explanation will bolster the Court’s image.

      For the record, I want Texas to win the case. I believe the four states cheated and that Trump got 300 Electoral votes. The case filed is not as easy as I wish it to be. I’ve pointed to issues that the other side will raise – and they will do it far better than I have.

      We’ll see.

    726. Gordon Allen says:

      Michael Corleone; I agree that would be an acceptable decision ( for future elections as well),and is similar to what I suggested, albeit phrased differently. It would put the ball where it should be: in the legislature’s hands. FWIW they’ll probably punt as well, although they not the Court will suffer the political consequences.

    727. Bitterlaw says:

      If SCOTUS overturns State results because another state complains, that is a very dangerous precedent. However, as I always say, you fight the war you are in and not the next one. Should be interesting. If SCOTUS issues a 9-0 ruling in Trump’s favor, expect 10 more Justices when theDems have the votes. But they will do it eventually no matter what happens in this case.

    728. Chicon says:

      741 – Pandora’s Box will open. States will attempt to use the Judiciary to legislate how other states run elections. The case will also be used in areas outside the arena of elections.

      Small price to pay, though.

    729. Jeffrey Shaw says:

      I wouldn’t mind SCOTUS flipping it back on the legislatures after ruling the state changes were unconstitutional. I.e.- let the states find the remedy. The added plaintiffs in this case should embolden the legislatures re: “Safety in numbers”.

    730. dblaikie says:

      On another matter, I getting tired of this hand wringing over the huge increase in cases of Covid. Rather than whine do something! Approve the damn vaccine. Approve the anti-body therapeutic. For the sake of our country, quit whining and start giving people the medicine they need.

      If Britain and Canada can approve a vaccine, after all so can we.

    731. dblaikie says:

      Bitter I agree. This is a dangerous precedent. In my opinion those actions be these four states has done terrible damage. It is a grave matter, putting all politics aside, when a number of states sue other states concerning whether an election is free and fair. It is ripping the Country apart! That is why I hope and pray the court will be fair and treat this matter with the gravity it deserves. If after they do that and come to a result that differs from my hopes — well I can live with that.

      But to just cast this Case aside. That would do further damage to the fabric of our Country.

    732. lisab says:

      One of Trumps main methods I have discovered is that he loves to play misdirection.
      —————

      misdirection? or is he a hot mess?

    733. lisab says:

      so how long before robbie figures out how to change his ip address?

    734. dblaikie says:

      Either way, it has worked for him.

    735. lisab says:

      States will attempt to use the Judiciary to legislate how other states run elections.
      ————————

      the feds under biden will make mail in votes mandatory with no id

    736. lisab says:

      also … none of you can have a gun for christmas this year

      santa does not bring guns

    737. jason says:

      If SCOTUS overturns State results because another state complains.”

      That is a very simplistic version of what is really being alleged and what is really at stake.

      I think the very dangerous precedent is to allow rampant fraud to decide elections, but maybe that is just me.

    738. jason says:

      also … none of you can have a gun for christmas this year”

      Sorry, I have one on order.

      Yes, I paid extra for Xmas wrapping even if it was for myself.

      Sue me.

    739. jason says:

      Pandora’s Box will open. States will attempt to use the Judiciary to legislate how other states run elections. The case will also be used in areas outside the arena of elections”

      Frankly, I don’t believe any of this would happen.

      States can already sue each other, no new ground there.

      And it is false to allege that this case is about “how states run elections”. It isn’t. It is about whether illegal votes should count or not, and if they do count, are they disenfranchising voters in other states. An illegal vote is illegal in TX, PA, AK or ID.

    740. Pitchaboy says:

      If you permit wholesale electoral malpractice, there is no republic left to talk about.

    741. mnw says:

      test

      Trouble posting.

    742. Tgca says:

      751

      Screw Santa! Fat phuk!

      I just bought a new Smith & Wesson semi-automatic with dual 10 capacity mags to accompany my:

      Ruger SR9 semi-automatic with dual 10 capacity mags and one 17 capacity mag, and

      Ruger LCP semi-automatic pistol with dual 6 capacity mags.

      So I’m locked and loaded for 69 shots just in case my good friend Bitter has a hissy fit because I trampled on his flower garden and decides to come down here to FL and punch me in the face.

      I was thinking of getting another 17 capacity mag for the SR9 but don’t want to over do it. Then again, one never knows when they’ll have to shoot 86 times in succession without pausing. I’ll have to think on that a bit more.

    743. michael corleone says:

      Just for the record, I think the Court’s jurisprudence on standing is waayy off base and has become an exercise in gamesmanship to avoid hard cases and divorced from the requirements of Article III.

      I think standing is a closer question in the TX case than in some of the other election law cases, but I ultimately think that these states have standing because the constitution is a contract among the states and states can be harmed if other states are acting outside of the agreed upon rules.

      If the Court wants to dodge, the political question doctrine is the more legitimate cannon to invoke. This is how the PQ test was explained in Baker v Carr and I think the first factor is prominently featured here:

      “Prominent on the surface of any case held to involve a political question is found a textually demonstrable constitutional commitment of the issue to a coordinate political department; or a lack of judicially discoverable and manageable standards for resolving it; or the impossibility of deciding without an initial policy determination of a kind clearly for non judicial discretion; or the impossibility of a court’s undertaking independent resolution without expressing lack of the respect due coordinate branches of government; or an unusual need for unquestioning adherence to a political decision already made; or the potentiality of embarrassment from multifarious pronouncements by various departments on one question.

    744. jason says:

      mnw says:
      December 9, 2020 at 1:15 pm

      test

      Trouble posting.”

      It’s ok, I accept your apology for completely misreading my points above in support of Tgca (and Dershowitz)

    745. Al Gored says:

      f you think that Texas, by itself, just up and did this, I have an oceanfront lot to sell you in Montana.”

      Montana will soon be oceanfront, you morons.

      That is why I am investing heavily on new beachfront property near Helena.

    746. Chicon says:

      752 – well, fraud has been deciding elections since elections began. Your state and mine are professional cheaters from way back. Who is to blame for that? The US Supreme Court? Nyet. Each state’s court system? Getting warmer. Each state’s Legislature? Real toasty now. The voters who have put up with it? Ding ding ding.

    747. Chicon says:

      758 – thanks for the info.

    748. Paul says:

      Anyone else having trouble getting on to make comments? Just kiddin’. I don’t think I’m the one that got banned.

    749. jason says:

      752 – well, fraud has been deciding elections since elections began. Your state and mine are professional cheaters from way back. Who is to blame for that? The US Supreme Court? Nyet. Each state’s court system? Getting warmer. Each state’s Legislature? Real toasty now. The voters who have put up with it? Ding ding ding.”

      So what? Are those any reasons not to pursue THIS fraud, which seems pretty consequential?

      Or is your argument that since fraud has prevailed in the past it is ok for it to prevail now?

    750. jason says:

      I don’t think I’m the one that got banned.”

      Paul is smarter than your average troll.

      Of course, it is a very low bar here, but let’s not take away his merits.

    751. Chicon says:

      764 – in 752 you wrote “I think the very dangerous precedent is to allow rampant fraud to decide elections, but maybe that is just me.”

      I was responding to that sentiment above. That dangerous precedent has been around forever. It will not have been set by the Supreme Court in this case. Perhaps the court will wonder why it is such a big deal now when we have not done squat about it. “You want us to use a huge amount of our limited political capital on an issue you’ve allowed to remain for a hundred years?”

    752. mnw says:

      I will try to post this one more time– the third attempt today. I don’t know what the problem is, so… I’ll try to type this a new way:

      I think SCOTUS may say that:

      the damages allegedly suffered by the citizens of TX are a-t-t-e-n-u-a-t-e-d and impossible to determine