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    Kelly Leads GOP in AZ, Whitmer Leads GOP in MI, DeSantis Leads Dem in FL

    Catching up on polls that were released this week starting with a poll from earlier in the month from OH Predictive Insights that shows new Democratic US Senator Mark Kelly will be a tough challenge for Republicans to regain this seat.

    US SENATE – ARIZONA (OHPI)
    Mark Kelly (D_inc) 46%
    Mark Brnovich (R) 36%

    Mark Kelly (D-inc) 44%
    Michael McGuire (R) 35%

    Mark Kelly (D-inc) 47%
    Andy Biggs (R) 36%

    Mark Kelly (D-inc) 47%
    Kelly Ward (R) 36%

    Mark Kelly (D-inc) 46%
    Kari Lake (R) 35%

    Mark Kelly (D-inc) 43%
    Jack McCain (R) 29%

    Mark Kelly (D-inc) 45%
    Kimberly Yee (R) 35%

    This poll was done May 3-5 among 935 registered voters. Meanwhile in Florida, a new poll from Cherry Communications shows the current Governor Ron DeSantis with a healthy lead over three potential challengers.

    GOVERNOR – FLORIDA (Cherry Communications)
    Ron DeSantis (R-inc) 51%
    Charlie Crist (D) 41%

    Ron DeSantis (R-inc) 51%
    Nikki Fried (D) 39%

    Ron DeSantis (R-inc) 53%
    Val Demmings (D) 38%

    This poll was done April 30-May 8 among 602 registered voters. Finally in Michigan, we have a new poll from some outfit called Target Insyght showing the incumbent Governor of Michigan Gretchen Whitmer ahead of two potential Republican challengers.

    GOVERNOR – MICHIGAN (Target Insyght)
    Gretchen Whitmer (D-inc) 48%
    James Craig (R) 42%

    Gretchen Whitmer (D-inc) 49%
    John James (R) 39%

    GOVERNOR – MICHIGAN – GOP PRIMARY (Target Insyght)
    John James 36%
    James Craig 21%

    This poll was done May 9-11 among 800 registered voters.

    Posted by Dave at 11:26 pm
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    992 Responses to “Kelly Leads GOP in AZ, Whitmer Leads GOP in MI, DeSantis Leads Dem in FL”

    1. Tgca says:

      Uno Bebe! Uno!

    2. jason says:

      Dos, cabrones, dos.

    3. New York City says:

      Chuck Schumer says go with Kelly Chemtrail Ward if you want to keep him as majority leader.

      I got the message.

    4. jason says:

      For those who want to vote:

      https://parnellforsenate.com/

    5. jason says:

      I think you guys who vote in PA and think your vote counts should send him money.

      I would have.

    6. jason says:

      Police Detain Mother at Six Flags Theme Park for Short Shorts”

      Well, her last IS Breedlove…..

    7. jason says:

      On May 12 CNN devoted 151 minutes to talking about Liz Cheney, 31 minutes about economic issues.

    8. Phil says:

      DeSantis.

      Not even close.

    9. Tom says:

      I like DeSantis a lot but am very concerned about him peaking too early in the election cycle. I hope he lowers his profile for the next two years and focuses on not making any unforced errors in Florida.

    10. jason says:

      Good advice.

    11. Gordon Allen says:

      One of the reasons he’s popular here is he speaks(and Acts) his mind and doesn’t cower under his desk. One reason I came to admire Trump.
      DeSantis is smart though about how he does it,and the topics he emphasizes.
      In other words he’s Trump, but smoother with a better feel for politics

    12. jason says:

      Kamala Harris unfavorable 41-48.

      The Economist/YouGov poll found that 48% to 41% had an unfavorable view of her.

      While the poll was split along party lines, with Democrats having a 74 % favorable versus 19% unfavorable, and Republicans 84 % unfavorable versus 12 % favorable, it was the independent opinion of Harris that showing an unfavorable opinion of her, 57% to 32%”

      One in five Dems don’t like her.

      Must be racists.

    13. Dylan says:

      I also don’t think there could legally be a TRUMP/DESANTIS ticket as the President and VP candidate have to be from different states.

    14. Wes says:

      Actually, Dylan, technically the President and Veep can technically be from the same state. One of them just wouldn’t get that state’s EVs.

    15. jason says:

      In other words he’s Trump, but smoother with a better feel for politics”

      He is not Trump and he is not Reagan.

    16. jason says:

      Trump can be just about from anywhere. NY, NJ, FL.

    17. jason says:

      I might even reregister to vote for a Trump-DeSantis ticket.

      Nah, Bitter would write 1,000 posts about how I said I would never vote again.

      Not worth it.

    18. Wes says:

      Currently Trump is a resident of Florida, Jason. If DeSantis won the nomination and selected Trump for Veep, to be eligible for Florida’s EVs, Trump would have to become a resident of another state.

    19. Gordon Allen says:

      Jason . Reagan wasn’t Reagan until 1981-89. He was old, a moderately successful Governor, who was beaten by a nobody Gerald Ford in 1976. And an actor famous for Bed Time for Bonzo.
      Lincoln in 1858 was a country lawyer and a one term Congressman who opposed the War with Mexico in 1848(which gave us SW USA), and who had lost to Stephen Douglas.
      It is so easy to declaim with the benefit of hindsight.So far DeSantis has as good, or better record(having never lost) in politics than either .
      But who knows. Often the Times make the Man, and the times in 2024 may be desperate indeed, as they were in 1860 and 1980.But barring the passage of HR 1, and it being sustained in the Courts, Biden/Harris will be weaker than Carter(who vanquished the Kennedy legend btw), or whoever the Democrats ran in 1860, with a Solid South against Lincoln.

    20. Phil says:

      DeSantis – smart, assertive, excellent bio, politically savvy, nails down Florida right off the bat….. makes too much sense.

      Naw, Republicans won’t nominate him. Like I said..makes too much sense. Party of losers. “Leaders” like the Bush clan, Liz, Sasse, Flake, Boehner, Toomey too anxious to get the seal of approval from the media. Will do everything in their power to give us Nikki Haley or someone similar that is aligned with the DC elitist swamp.

    21. jason says:

      So far DeSantis has as good, or better record(having never lost) in politics than either”

      Complete BS.

      DeSantis has been governor for 2 years.

      Let’s get real.

      He is no Reagan or Trump. Ask me in 50 years if he is a Reagan.

      I hate these really stupid comparisons.

    22. jason says:

      wes, Trump is a resident of FL. Last year he was a resident of NY.

      Currently he is residing in NJ, although not officially a resident.

      The point being Trump can run from any of these places.

    23. jason says:

      But considering FL does not have estate taxes I doubt Trump will move back to NJ or NY.

      Also, “the president and first lady would be escaping an 8.2% state tax rate and a 3.87% city tax rate on income over $90,000, according to Joseph Callahan, attorney and president of Mackay, Caswell & Callahan, P.C. in New York”

    24. jason says:

      Reagan wasn’t Reagan until 1981-89″

      More BS.

      Reagan was a popular and successful governor of CA for 8 years, he beat strong Dem candidates both time around, and was able to use his tenure as a foundation for a later run for President.

      And the “Reagan was only Reagan” after 1980 is really asinine character assassination.

      Reagan was Reagan for decades.

      ‘Reagan was hired by General Electric (GE) in 1954 to host the General Electric Theater, a weekly TV drama series. He also traveled across the country to give motivational speeches to over 200,000 GE employees. His many speeches—which he wrote himself—were non-partisan but carried a conservative, pro-business message; he was influenced by Lemuel Boulware, a senior GE executive. Boulware, known for his tough stance against unions and his innovative strategies to win over workers, championed the core tenets of modern American conservatism: free markets, anticommunism, lower taxes, and limited government”

    25. Phil says:

      Let’s put it this way. DeSantis is promising.

      …..which is why the lame Republican powers that be won’t nominate him. Anyone think the powers that be in the GOP are going to allow the nomination of anyone with a backbone to actually stand up to the wokees? Yeah, I didn’t think so.

      Haley in 2024, baby!

    26. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Now this is a colorful biography for this gentleman running for the GOP in NJ CD-3 againsy Andy Kim.

      https://newjerseyglobe.com/congress/millionaire-shipbuilder-and-onetime-punk-rocker-expected-to-challenge-andy-kim/

    27. jason says:

      DeSantis has been a great governor for 2 + years. He has a lot of political assets, not being afraid of the MSM is one of them, and key to success in today’s woke culture. If Trump doesn’t run, I see him as a favorite for the nomination. By 2024 he will hopefully solidify his credentials by winning re-election and keeping Florida an economic success.

      But he is not Trump and he is not Reagan. Let’s not put the cart before the horses.

      Saying has as “good a record” as Trump or Reagan is just ridiculous. You don’t compare the record of a governor for half a term with the record of a president like Trump or someone with a storied career and accomplishments like Reagan.

    28. jason says:

      What a surprise.

      The FBI quietly admitted Friday that the 2017 Alexandria, Virginia, baseball field shooting that nearly killed Rep. Steve Scalise has been classified as “domestic terrorism” carried out by a “domestic violent extremist” targeting Republicans after the bureau previously classified it as “suicide by cop.”

    29. Wes says:

      jason says:
      May 15, 2021 at 12:19 pm
      wes, Trump is a resident of FL. Last year he was a resident of NY.

      Currently he is residing in NJ, although not officially a resident.

      The point being Trump can run from any of these places.

      I’m not sure what the argument is here, Jason. Yes, Trump has been a resident of those places, but he’s a current resident of Florida. Were he and DeSantis to appear on the same ticket, then, to be eligible for Florida’s EVs, Trump would have to move to a different state. That’s what Dick Cheney had to do in 2000 after five years as a Texas resident to be able to qualify for Texas’ EVs.

      If Trump and DeSantis appeared on a ticket together in 2024 without Trump’s claiming residency elsewhere, only one of them could claim the state’s votes. You have to imagine DeSantis would be the one to do that, which, in a close enough election, would cause Congress (the Senate if Trump were the Veep nominee) to vote on whether to give Trump the office in question.

    30. jason says:

      So if he was a resident of NY and is now a resident of FL, he could become a resident of another state to run.

      So I don’t understand what the argument is either.

      All I said was that he doesn’t have to run as a resident of FL.

    31. Wes says:

      If he’s a registered voter in Florida and votes in Florida, that makes him a resident. He’d have to do what Dick Cheney did in 2000 to qualify for the Sunshine State’s EVs on a ticket with DeSantis.

      You seem to have a hard time understanding that.

    32. Phil says:

      It’s academic. There will be no Trump-DeSantis ticket. You want at least some balance. That provides none. I’d be happy with DeSantis-Scott. I’d also be ok with DeSantis-Noem…even though I’m not as sold on Noem as I was. She’s better than the Thumes and any other Republican nothings you’d get out of DC. Of course, the media would try to make her Palin. I think she’s too smart to let that happen.

      Anyway, DeSantis at the top of the ticket. There isn’t anyone else. Hawley and Cotton are not electable and the GOP establishment candidates are worthless.

    33. Wes says:

      Moores gets the Albuquerque Journal endorsement:

      https://www.abqjournal.com/2390427/cd1-offers-distinct-choices.html

      More and more, this feels like a race Republicans can win.

      Currently Dems have their smallest House majority since the 78th Congress. If Moores wins, they’ll have their smallest since the 65th Congress.

    34. Wes says:

      Rob Portman might be a god pick, Phil. Although Portman will leave Congress in 2023, he hails from the most Republican of the big industrial states and has a solid electoral record appealing to blue-collar voters. Balancing a Governor with a Senator is usually a good thing.

      Despite hailing from a much smaller state, Joni Ernst might be an even better pick. She can counter Harris’ gender advantage and has bona fides as both a servicewoman and a blue-collar worker. That she decisively beat back two strong Dem opponents also proves her willingness to put in hard work and underscores her strong voter appeal.

    35. Phil says:

      Wes, Republicans would have 218 seats now if not for the radical State Supreme courts in Pa and N.C. redrawing district lines to hand Democrats 5 seats on a silver platter. My understanding is that the N.C. Supreme Court still will have a slim majority of loons. Correct?

    36. Wes says:

      Don’t forget the FLSC, Phil.

      Anyway, while Dems will have a 4-3 majority on the NCSC through 2020, as Chief Justice, Newby can appoint the panel that will review redistricting.

      The talk is that the General Assembly will approve the new lines too late for the NCSC to force a redraw next year. Republicans are targeting the Dem seats up next year. Winning them would give the GOP a majority on the court in 2023 and negate any challenges Mark Elias and Company will try to file to overturn the lines.

    37. Wes says:

      Err, Dems will have a 4-3 majority on the NCSC through 2023, not 2020.

    38. Phil says:

      At least voters got rid of the loon Chief Justice. That’s a start.

    39. Wes says:

      Amazingly Beasley never imagined Tarheels might react negatively to her tyrannical court.

      I wonder if the two Dem Justices up next year–one of them the son of a former Senator–might want to start moderating their voting records after seeing the obliteration of their colleagues last year.

    40. Gordon Allen says:

      Jason. I said record in politics ( elections) at a sk.ar stage
      Three years before 2016 Trjmp had never run for elective office.
      DeSantis is 4-0,about to be 5-0
      Anyway the relevant comparison is to now

      Name me a better GOP candidate as of now

    41. Phil says:

      She’s running for the Senate now. Right? Where she can do even more damage.

    42. Wes says:

      Err, I typed wrong. Sam Ervin IV is the grandson of former Senator Sam Ervin, not his son.

    43. Phil says:

      I’ll answer that. There’s not a better candidate than DeSantis. Not even close.

    44. Wes says:

      You mean where can dream of doing more damage, Phil. Neither Beasley nor any other Democrat will succeed Richard Burr in the Senate in 2023.

    45. Phil says:

      I like the way you think, Wes.

    46. Phil says:

      With regards to redistricting, I can see Republicans gaining at least one and probably two Republican House members out of redistricting in our state. The only way to prevent that is for the federal courts to intervene. The state Supreme Court won’t. We haven’t elected a Democrat to that Court in just under 30 years.

    47. Wes says:

      Phil, the Fifth Circuit has only seven Dem Judges on it. No way Elias gets a successful challenge to the new district lines.

    48. Phil says:

      I was wondering about the makeup of that Court. Good to know. 12-5 then. May as well gerrymander at least a couple of seats then. Heck, you know the other side certainly would if they had the advantage.

    49. Phil says:

      Oop, 10-7 then.

    50. jason says:

      More and more, this feels like a race Republicans can win.”

      I hope wes is right.

      Wondering if I should make a bet.

      https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7256/Who-will-win-the-2021-special-election-in-New-Mexico's-1st-District

    51. jason says:

      wes, want to stake me $800?

      If we win $26000 I will give you $10000.

      Seriously, it might be worth a $100 bet.

    52. jason says:

      If he’s a registered voter in Florida and votes in Florida, that makes him a resident. He’d have to do what Dick Cheney did in 2000 to qualify for the Sunshine State’s EVs on a ticket with DeSantis.

      You seem to have a hard time understanding that.”

      Huh, no, you have a hard time understanding he can switch states and not run as a FL resident.

      But maybe we are just saying the same thing in different ways.

    53. jason says:

      DeSantis-Scott would be a good ticket.

      I would love to see a Scott-Kamala Harris debate.

    54. jason says:

      I think Rs should tone down this talk about 2022 being a slam dunk in the House.

      All it does is stimulate the Dems to see HR1 has their last hope.

    55. Wes says:

      Remember when Democrats almost reflexively won NE’s Senate seats?

      Well, those days are long gone. Deb Fischer plans to seek a third term. Democrats haven’t seriously contested a statewide office in the Cornhusker State since Fischer trounced Bob Kerrey in 2012. As in 2018, Fischer will draw no serious opponent and cruise to reelection:

      https://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/fischer-says-shell-seek-third-senate-term-in-2024/article_67698823-1f83-5eab-ae8b-2c0ba1b9c85a.amp.html

    56. Bitterlaw says:

      I believe Jason said he was giving up voting. I do not recall him saying he would never vote again. I know that answer will not please Jason because I thought about but I think he left open the possibility of voting in the future.

    57. jason says:

      I won’t be voting in 2022, and I doubt I will in 2024 either.

      But if I think my vote will count then, who knows.

      It didn’t count in 2020, and nothing is changing in PA, the same rules and the same people running the election will certainly repeat in 2022, so doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome is stupid.

      If PA elects a R governor, if the legislature imposes election integrity, if the PA Supreme Court doesn’t throw it out, I may vote in 2024.

      I don’t expect any of that to happen.

    58. Bitterlaw says:

      2022 will have a fraction of the voters as in 2020. Trump will not be on the ballot. Not sure if he will endorse or campaign for anybody.

    59. Phil says:

      As Jason stated, same joke voting rules and same crooks running the election in Pa.

      Why bother?

    60. jason says:

      2022 will have a fraction of the voters as in 2020. Trump will not be on the ballot.”

      LOL

      The Dems only cheat if it is against Trump?

      Geezus.

    61. jason says:

      Bitter must have inside information or he believes in the tooth fairy.

      PA Dems will not steal any more elections because Trump is not on the ballot.

      You can’t make this sh-t up.

    62. jason says:

      Babylon Bee:

      “Biden Worried Gas Shortages May Hurt Carter’s Chances Against Reagan”

    63. lisab says:

      the dems actually have a problem in 2024

      a.) they are running the economy into the ground, and it is only 5 months

      b.) they may have no choice but to run harris

      there is only so many votes you can steal

    64. jason says:

      there is only so many votes you can steal”

      Wishful thinking.

      With no voter ID, VBM and ballot harvesting there is basically no limit.

    65. Wes says:

      Jason, you still haven’t explained to me why Dems spent nine figures in NC last year but were magnanimous enough not to steal any important races like President, Senator, and Chief Justice here.

    66. Wes says:

      Carla Sands will run for PA-Sen. She went from actress to chiropractor to ambassador and economic advisor(?).

      We went from a reality star who flip-flopped between the major parties for decades to a doddering old man who got his crack addict son a sinecure with a Ukrainian company in the White House, so why not?

    67. jason says:

      wes still hasn’t explained why PA, GA, NV, AZ, and WI Dems couldn’t have engaged in election fraud just because he thinks NC Dems did not.

    68. jason says:

      wes’ theory is that because apparently NC Dems didn’t steal 80k votes in the NC Presidential election it is impossible for them to have stolen 10k in AZ and 12k in GA and 20K in WI.

      It is a theory. I just don’t happen to believe in it.

    69. Wes says:

      Your argument is that Dems used extended early voting, VBM, and lack of voter ID to steal elections. They had all that here plus a compliant board of elections and State Supreme Court.

      They still lost.

      That’s after dumping $200 million into the state.

      I love your refusal to acknowledge any of that in your determination to declare Trump lost only because of fraud.

      I know why you refuse to acknowledge the reality of things here:

      Doing so undermines your carefully crafted narrative you use as a catharsis to explain Trump’s defeat.

      NC doesn’t fit your talking points, so when pressed on it, you have to be Trump’s version of Jen Psaki and either ignore it or change the subject.

    70. Wes says:

      No, Jason. You’re lying.

      My outright statement is that Dems had more advantages here and poured more money into this state than into almost any of the other states you mentioned. If they were going to steal an election, they would have done it here.

      That they didn’t undermines your Al Gore-style talking points about the 2020 election.

    71. jason says:

      Sorry, I think the argument that “I don’t think there was fraud in NC so I think it is impossible it happened in much closer elections in other states” is a silly, completely asinine argument that makes no sense whatever.

      You want to claim without any evidence that somehow the Dems in these states were all colluding between states to manipulate results. I claim, with excellent evidence, that each state has its own dynamics and just because they were cheating in Milwaukee and Philadelphia and Atlanta doesn’t mean they were necessarily cheating in Charlotte.

      It is just some kind of justification for your refusal to acknowledge that if a candidate loses an election by a combined 42k votes in 3 states with tons of irregularities in how the election was managed and the vote was counted there is an extremely high probability of fraud.

      You are letting your bias against Trump get the best of you.

      Do you really want to categorically state there could NOT have been enough fraud to change the outcome in those 3 states Trump lost by a combined 42k votes?

      If so, you are one gullible dumbass.

    72. jason says:

      If they were going to steal an election, they would have done it here.”

      Zzzzzzz……

      Complete drivel and garbage without ANY basis in fact.

      So there could not have been any vote fraud in Philadelphia or Atlanta because you think there was none in NC?

      Really?

      Geezus.

    73. jason says:

      wes was never a deep thinker but this really takes the cake.

      He thinks Trump’s personality caused him to lose the election. His performance in the debate caused him to lose the election. His tweets caused him to lose the election. Blah, blah blah.

      Because he thinks that, there could not have been fraud in 3 states he lost by 42k votes.

      Completely irrational, I know.

    74. Wes says:

      Once again, Jason, you are a liar mindlessly spouting talking points.

      I literally stated if Dems were stealing elections, they would have stolen NC. They dumped $200 million into this state and had every advantage possible. Republicans literally had no recourse against them if the Dems stole the election.

      It didn’t happen.

      Why?

      Because electoral theft wasn’t what decided this election.

      Trump ginned the Democrats up to a fever pitch during his presidency, ran a lackluster campaign for reelection, and lost. When he lost, he threw the mother of all temper tantrums and you–who, let’s not forget, have repeatedly declared without a single shred of evidence George Allen lost in 2006 ONLY because of supposed fraud, just to let people know where you’re coming from–have mindlessly spouted his self-serving talking points about winning in a landslide and losing only because of fraud.

      You’re a joke, Jason. That you insist on trying to turn the 2020 election into an Oliver Stone movie makes you even more of a joke.

    75. jason says:

      How about this wes?

      You continue to believe there was no fraud in the 2020 election. Dems could not have cheated with VBM, ballot harvesting, dishonest counts, illegible voters, etc. in NV, GA, WI, AZ, PA.

      The reason being is because you think there was no fraud in NC.

      The rest of us will continue to believe there was voter fraud because what happened in NC has no bearing on what happened in those other states.

      Life goes on.

    76. jason says:

      ave mindlessly spouted his self-serving talking points about winning in a landslide and losing only because of fraud.”

      Talk about lying.

      I never said he won in a landslide.

      I think he won GA, WI and AZ. All you needed was a swing of 22k votes for that to happen.

      I think some of your criticisms of Trump’s campaign are valid, others not so much. They well could have put him in the situation that small swings could decide the election and make it much more vulnerable to fraud.

      But to say there was no fraud in GA, WI, and AZ because you think there was none in NC?

      Really stupid.

    77. Wes says:

      Fair enough, but I reserve the right when I see your political conspiracy theories to respond on the subject so I can laugh at all the logistical contortions you engage in to explain why Democrats stole the election in states they spent less money in and had less control over than in NC–while failing to do the same in NC.

    78. Wes says:

      Trump won GA, AZ, and WI last year exactly as much as Al Gore won FL in 2000.

      Trump tried the Gore strategy of winning an election he lost in the courts and got the same results.

      By the way, Trump himself declared he won the election in a landslide before most votes were in. You can’t pretend you’re not repeating his talking points when you are.

    79. jason says:

      We will have to disagree that there was no fraud in 2020.

      I can accept Trump could have been above the MOF except for some of the criticisms you have levied.

    80. Wes says:

      And if Trump had prepared better for 2020 and run a better campaign, he would have won.

      That’s on him. I’m making no excuses for him.

    81. jason says:

      I never agreed here that Trump “won in a landslide”.

    82. jason says:

      And if Trump had prepared better for 2020 and run a better campaign, he would have won.”

      Very possible that is the case, and as result he would not have been so vulnerable to fraud.

      But it doesn’t mean there wasn’t enough fraud in 3 states he lost by a combined 42k votes to change the outcome.

    83. jason says:

      Also, I think the Gore situation and Trump situation are apples and oranges.

      Gore was not exactly alleging fraud. What he wanted was a selective recount in counties favorable to him where he had a majority of Dems on the election boards running the recount, on the expectation that with “hanging chads” and a more “liberal interpretation” of what was a vote for him he could make up the small deficit of 500+ votes.

      He didn’t want a general statewide recount because in counties where Rs were a majority on the election board the same criteria might work against him.

      SCOTUS basically ruled against the selective recount.

    84. Gordon Allen says:

      without covd Trump would have won in a landslide. It was impossible to politically” prepare for covd.

    85. Wes says:

      You’re lying again, Jason. Gore absolutely did allege fraud along the lines of what Trump alleged last year:

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-dec-02-mn-60120-story.html%3f_amp=true

    86. Phil says:

      There was plenty of fraud and certainly enough to swing the election in Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia and probably Pa.

      Trump carried 19 of 20 of the historic most bellweather swing counties running about even in the 20th. Sorry, but that’s just statistically impossible to do and lose the election. It just is.

    87. Phil says:

      …..and for good measure 44 of the top 50.

    88. Phil says:

      …..and then there was Florida which Trump won by more than three times he won it by in 2016. What was the difference between Florida and say, Nevada? ..tight voting ID. Signature matching, voter ID, no ballet harvesting where there is the a loss of ballot custody.

      And Don’t get me started on what was done in Nevada.

    89. Phil says:

      I have a big problem with ballots that come in three days after the election as in Pa. of course, we have John Roberts to thank for that one. Thanks again, W.

    90. Dylan says:

      And as soon as Florida was called for Trump early, Dems realized “ok—we need to immediately execute Operation Fraud—-get AZ called blue stat and we will get our guys in the inner cities in WI MI PA MN and GA to do their fake shut down plus vote dump” It’s as if they were holding all that back in case Trump was naturally gonna win it

      The bell weather county thing has always disturbed me

    91. Phil says:

      ‘If” they were holding back”

      See Fulton County and Pa to name just a few.

    92. jason says:

      You’re lying again, Jason. Gore absolutely did allege fraud along the lines of what Trump alleged last year”

      Read the article before you post it.

      That “suit” was brought by a “Democratic voter”.

      I am talking about what the Gore campaign wanted to do. A selective recount.

    93. Wes says:

      I don’t put much stock in the bellwether county argument, Phil. It used to be impossible to win without carrying at least one of NY and CA. Then 2000 and 2004 happened. Only once in the 20th Century (1956) did a President win without carrying MO. Then Obama won twice while losing it, and Biden won while losing it. Things change. No Democrat used to be able to win without carrying TX. Then Clinton lost the state in 1992 while winning nationally.

      I respect your opinion more than Jason’s definitely since he has an arbitrary rationale for why literally every Republican who’s ever lost a close election was supposedly a victim of fraud. I don’t buy the idea that Trump actually won though.

      Do I think Democrats gamed the system with swift changes in election laws to benefit themselves? Absolutely. We even saw that here in NC where the courts changed the date for receipt of absentee ballots. The Dems clearly wanted to win and wanted to win badly.

      Trump was unprepared for them and far too haughty after his fluke win over Hillary in 2016. That’s why I believe he lost.

    94. jason says:

      MSNBC Hardball:

      “The top three House Republicans are now officially three anti-democracy terrorists who incited the Jan. 6 insurrection”

    95. jason says:

      Nate Silverhack “adjusted” the Rasmussen Poll on Biden approval:

      Approve 49 Disapprove 50

      to

      Approve 52 Disapprove 43

      You can’t make this sh-t up.

    96. Phil says:

      I hear what you are saying Wes, but 19 out of the 20 counties spread out across the country? That’s just hard to square.

      I keep thinking back to what Democrats tried to pull in Broward County the 36 hours after Election Day in 2018. They were well on the way to pulling it off too had Republicans not been in control of the state. Imagine the fix we’d be in now if they had and there was now a Senator Nelson and not a Senator Scott.

      They are ruthless.

      One thing I do agree with you on is that Trump’s team didn’t take fraud serious enough in preparation for election night although in some cases (Pa) Roberts open the door with his ruling two days before the election. Nevada there was nothing his campaign could do. The Democrats controlled the government there and simply implemented statewide a mini HB1. Ballot harvesting, ballot mail outs to every address, bans on signature matching, the works.

    97. Phil says:

      Jason, Nate Silver still has the Quinnipiac poll rated an A-

      Keep in mind this is the poll that had Biden up in Ohio, Florida and Iowa three days before the election.

      They has Biden up

      4 in Ohio, he lost by 8
      5 in Florida, he lost by 3.5
      3 in Iowa, he lost by 8

      Yeah, an A- pollster.

    98. Dylan says:

      98–Totally. And that is what gives me the hardest gulp to swallow. They KNEW the fraud was coming (absolutely 100% knew it) yet did not or could not take steps in advance to assure that it was exposed or stopped. [In GA, the dems got an assist by the hapless governor] And not only that–then they engaged in a hapless disjointed post facto legal strategy the face of which was has been Guliani and other crazies who could achieve n’ary a legal victory even on procedural issues. It makes me pessimistic for future elections with or without HR 1 passing.

    99. Gordon Allen says:

      Suit was brought in PA to block the “election Law” changes, resulting in the fatal 4-4 tie at the Supreme Court.Saying it was “premature”.Then after the election, challenges were “moot”. The Courts wanted no part of this.
      In states controlled by Democrat Secretary of States(de facto one in Georgia) if the Courts won’t intervene, then the remedy was what in the “real world”? The only possible one was to try and cheat on the same scale;but that would have been squelched by the SOS.There is no doubt in my mind in the 3 Midwestern States,the Democrats would have produced whatever number of votes were needed, as they knew what the GOP vote was. And who was going to stop them??
      The fix was in, and one way or another Trump was going to lose. Period. Full stop.
      If what’s going on in Arizona now doesn’t make that clear, nothing will to some.

    100. jason says:

      Gordon, none of that could have happened because maybe there was no fraud in NC.

    101. jason says:

      4 in Ohio, he lost by 8
      5 in Florida, he lost by 3.5
      3 in Iowa, he lost by 8″

      So it was designed to promote the narrative that Biden had already won and depress the election day voting by Trump supporters.

    102. Phil says:

      Exactly.

    103. JeffP says:

      Right on cue.

      CIA asset Chris Wallace interviews Liz Cheney and gives her free reign to spin propaganda. Attempts to prop her up look desperate. The establishment GOP is dead. #America First won.

    104. lisab says:

      re fraud:

      just because the dems are in control, say in NC, does not mean they would participate in fraud.

      massachusetts had, (maybe still has), completely above board elections, and some dems would be absolutely horrified at stealing votes.

      in my younger days i was a poll observer and it was an almost ceremonial thing to open the election machines and verify the votes.

      there 100% ARE dems who would steal votes and think it was totally fine

      but there are also dems who are 100% honest

    105. jason says:

      *New* CBS News Poll
      80% of Republicans who have heard about Cheney’s removal from leadership agree with it, just 20% disagree with it.”

      Considering it is CBS, it is probably more like 90%

    106. lisab says:

      basically what i am saying is that

      the dems could have dumped millions into NC

      but if one of the election officials was honest,

      they would not be able to steal.

      there are definitely people who work on elections who take the job VERY seriously, and will not allow anything to go unobserved by both major parties.

    107. lisab says:

      stealing votes requires a conspiracy by multiple sleazy people

      but i have witnessed election officials telling people off for not strictly following orders

    108. jason says:

      but there are also dems who are 100% honest”

      Here at HHR there are people that do deep research like lisab and are rewarded with rare artifacts.

    109. jason says:

      stealing votes requires a conspiracy by multiple sleazy people”

      Not really. You don’t need a conspiracy.

      I bet there are a lot of cases of people illegally harvesting vote in nursing homes and among illegal voters, like the woman in TX charged with 134 counts of vote fraud.

      “Attorney General Ken Paxton today announced that his Election Fraud Unit assisted the Limestone County Sheriff and District Attorney in charging Kelly Reagan Brunner, a social worker in the Mexia State Supported Living Center (SSLC), with 134 felony counts of purportedly acting as an agent and of election fraud. If convicted, Brunner faces up to 10 years in prison for these offenses.”

    110. lisab says:

      remember that the majority of the “greatest generation” were dems

      at least through the vietnam war a large number of veterans were/are dems

      it is really only the last 20 years the loony bin has taken over

    111. lisab says:

      in 2001 there were still enough put america first dems that both kerry and hillary felt they had to vote for the war against iraq

    112. lisab says:

      now i would guess a majority of dems in congress WOULD vote to defund the police

    113. jason says:

      Rachel Madcow

      “I feel like I’m going to have to rewire myself so that when I see someone out in the world who’s not wearing a mask, I don’t instantly think, ‘You are a threat.

      Megyn Kelly

      “Thoughts and prayers for her during this difficult time.”

    114. jason says:

      ‘Taking Away The Male Gaze’: Some Women Want To Keep Wearing Masks Indefinitely”

      Thanks.

    115. JeffP says:

      The Big Lie- Trump lost due to suburban Moms.

      You don’t win FL, IA and OH by the margins Trump won and key swing counties and lose the election. Not to mention the minority vote.

      They had a stash of mail in ballots with zero chain of custody.

    116. Phil says:

      “They had a stash of mail in ballots with zero chain of custody”

      Bingo. We have a winner!

    117. dylan says:

      does anyone here even have the stamina to go through another election cycle knowing that nada is being done to address the zero chain of custody ballot situation? I’m exhausted just thinking about listening to the non stop drivel re big lie. . . .

    118. jason says:

      Not me.

    119. Bitterlaw says:

      does anyone here even have the stamina to go through another election cycle knowing that nada is being done to address the zero chain of custody ballot situation? I’m exhausted just thinking about listening to the non stop drivel re big lie. . . .

      As somebody who has listened to the State of the Union addresses (and responses), Presidential and Vice Presidential nomination acceptance speeches, Democratic and Republican primary debates, Presidential election acceptance and concession speeches, and Inauguration speeches since 1976 (I was not the usual 8 year old), I will continue to report to HHR. It is a dirty job but it takes an A-hole to do it right.

    120. Cash Cow TM says:

      Cow musta missed this Nov. 2020 election news. Is being referred to as the “Windham Incident.”

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/huge-development-hand-recount-finds-dominion-voting-machines-shorted-every-republican-windham-new-hampshire-300-votes/

      ####################################
      Dominion voting machine errors of almost exactly 300 FEWER votes for all the the R candidates for state legislature…
      And the closest Dem candidate actually got 99 FEWER actual votes than reported by the voting machines on election night. The ONLY D candidate who actually got FEWER votes than was reported by the dominion machines on election night.

      Apparently the NH SOS (a democrat) is actively working against those who are trying to find out why the machine count was so wrong from the hand recount done 9 days later.

      **********************************************
      “To understand the serious magnitude of the tabulation errors, the table below compares the election night results to the recount results. The difference in votes and percentage of votes for each Republican candidate, as well as those for Mrs. St. Laurent, is troubling.

      Candidate 11/03/20 11/12/20 Difference % Change
      Mary Griffin(R) 5,292 5,591 +299 +5.6%
      Charles McMahon(R)5,256 5,554 +298 +5.6%
      Bob Lynn (R) 4,786 5,089 +303 +6.3%
      Julius Soti (R) 4,480 4,777 +297 +6.6%
      Kristi St. Laurent(D)
      4,456 4,357 -99 -2.3%
      Valerie Roman(D)3,415 3,443 +28 +.008%
      Henri Azibert(D 2,787 2,808 +21 +.008%
      Ioana Singureanu(D)
      2,764 2,782 +18 +.007%

      “It’s not unusual for a small number of vote totals to change during a recount, but the reported number of votes for every Republican candidate on election night was short by nearly 300 votes – and Democrat candidate Kristi St. Laurent tallied 99 more votes than cast. After the recount – St. Laurent’s margin of loss went from 24 votes (.005%) to 420 votes (9.6%). A huge difference.”

      Any of you heard of this “Windham Incident” before?

    121. Cash Cow TM says:

      “This is the third arrest or indictment of people on vote fraud charges coming out of the attorney general’s office during the past four weeks. The other cases include Vincent Marzello of West Lebanon, who was arrested in September on multiple charges after voting twice in 2016 and signing up to be a poll watcher for state Democrats for 2020, and Mary Kate Lowndes, a Peace Corps director from Washington, D.C., who was indicted in September, accused of registering to vote at a shopping center in 2016 and voting in 2018.”

      https://patch.com/new-hampshire/concord-nh/georgia-man-arrested-new-hampshire-voter-fraud-charge

      *************************

      THIS BOTHERS ME…

      the guy who was arrested below was arrested
      in JANUARY, 2019 for voting in two different states in the 2016 election.

      TOOK THREE YEARS TO RIGHT THIS ILLEGAL ACTION.

      Michael Lasean Lewis, 47, of Atlanta, GA, was arrested by transit police after a warrant was issued by the Merrimack County Superior Court in January 2019 based on an investigation by New Hampshire Attorney General’s Office.

      Lewis is accused of voting on Nov. 8, 2016, in Hooksett even though he was not qualified to vote in the town “because he was not domiciled there for voting purposes,” according to Kate Giaquinto, the director of communications for the attorney general’s office.

    122. Phil says:

      Fauci says pandemic exposed “undeniable effect of racism”

      Okeeeeey. Doc.

      Seriously, I’d like to punch that fool right in the mouth. I can’t take much more of that leftist hack.

    123. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Just passed through Nevada. The state just dropped the mask mandate for vaccinated people both indoors and outdoors. Would estimate at least 80-85% of people are not wearing masks. Businesses like restaurants can have up to 85% capacity. It’s almost like normal again.

    124. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      126. Several more reputable news sources are calling for and investigation into whether COVID-19 was a lab created virus variant that escaped from the Wuhan virus lab. The safety protocols might have been insufficient. Since the U.S. was involved and helped fund this research, Fauci needs to fully disclose what he knows.

    125. Bitterlaw says:

      SDC – My wife, son and daughter will be in Coronado at the end of June. I was able to escape the trip.

    126. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Bitter, sad you could not go. Hope they take a lot of pictures to show you.

    127. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      129. I am headed to Bryce Canyon National Park this week. Have tried to hike a week each month during the pandemic. Being able to Zoom meetings makes it possible.

    128. Bitterlaw says:

      I’m not sad at all. I didn’t even ask to take time off. Since it is a graduation gift to my daughter, they might have had no problem with it. Every job I have had as a lawyer gave me 4-5 weeks of vacation time per year. I have never used more than 7 days a year.

    129. Tgca says:

      132

      Bitter is sneaking to south Florida to hang out with me while his family goes to southern CA.

      I promised to show him all the nightlife in Miami Beach so he can dance the night away at swankiest neon-lit clubs right off the beach.

      We then plan to go shopping at the boutique shops on Lincoln Road and then up in Las Olas Boulevard in Fort Lauderdale where all the metrosexuals shop and spend like $200 for a shirt. No sweaters here though…too warm but he can pick up a few designer sandals to go with his dress pants.

      It’ll be a fun trip. Maybe will sneak in a flower show too if there’s one going on.

      Then I’ll show him my new digs and he can meet all my gay and metrosexual neighbors.

    130. Tgca says:

      …and Bitter think he has it bad here with the perceived anti-Catholic comments.

      Hitler-loving CNN contributing journalist fired after tweets surface of him making g horrific anti-Semitic remarks like when he was routing for Germany in FIFA cup. There recent others too.

      ‘The only reason I am supporting Germany in the finals — Hitler was a German and he did good with those Jews.’

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9585933/Fury-CNN-contributors-anti-Semitic-tweets-discovered.html

    131. Tgca says:

      Ok. Now we know that not only does cow dung prevent Covid but so does cow urine.

      I drink cow urine every day. That is why I do not have Covid right now’ says Indian ruling party politician

      …and we Americans complain about the conspiracy theories of our politicians. Humph!

      https://www.rt.com/news/524020-india-cow-urine-covid19/

    132. Tgca says:

      The arrogance of this English POS living in the US trashing our constitution which came about because of the arrogance and abuse of his heritage.

      “I’ve got so much I want to say about the First Amendment as I sort of understand it, but it is bonkers,” the Duke of Sussex said

      You know what’s bonkers? Having a royal family in this day and age that puts itself ahead of the common people. If not for such extreme privilege, Harry would be a nobody. Everything he has he owes to a birthright with absolutely no distinguishing accomplishments.

      https://www.newsmax.com/politics/prince-harry-first-amendment-media/2021/05/17/id/1021640/

    133. Bitterlaw says:

      I would expect that somebody who proclaims that they drink cow urine will have no problem social distancing.

    134. jason says:

      Barletta got 43% against Casey in the senate race, arguably Casey is a stronger candidate than anyone the Dems put up for Governor.

      I would be pessimistic about his chances.

    135. jason says:

      Heh…

      Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas: “Nice that he can say that,” replied Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas.

    136. jason says:

      Tgca only drinks organic cow urine.

    137. Bitterlaw says:

      I’ll skip the Florida trip. I have been to Florida twice. More than enough time there.

    138. jason says:

      Maybe Bitter will come hang out with me and see how the deplorables live.

      Bitter, this could be us.

      https://www.viator.com/tours/Lancaster/Authentic-Amish-Country-Tour/d24305-111259P1

    139. Bitterlaw says:

      Gov. Wolf went from being quiet and the “is he still in office” Governor to a tyrant. If Barletta runs on a platform of “I promise not to destroy your business and shut your schools” he will have a better chance.

    140. Tgca says:

      143

      Are there any gay Amish facilities in Lancaster? Preferably gay, Latin, conservative facilities?

      Some of us like to hang with our own people.

    141. Bitterlaw says:

      The Amish are deplorables? Who knew?

    142. Tgca says:

      142

      That’s disappointing to hear Bitter doesn’t want to hang out with me when I had a full it itinerary planned that he’d just love.

      Our water is much warmer and nicer than the Jersey ocean water too. …and our beaches are excellent.

    143. Bitterlaw says:

      and our beaches are excellent.

      In law school, I went on Spring Break with some friends to Madeira Beach. It was pre-internet so we just thought every beach in Florida was beautiful. Ummm. No. I did not know that water could be brown and cold in Florida. It was near Tampa. The architecture combined everything bad from the 60s and 70s. It reminded me of the Planet of the Apes movies set in a future LA just before the apes took over.

    144. Tgca says:

      148

      Tampa is not south Florida.

      That’s like going to swim in Newark Bay and thinking you’re at the Wildwood in Jersey Shore.

    145. Bitterlaw says:

      The hotel we stayed at had mostly elderly guests. We couldn’t figure out why there were so many people walking in the hallways at 7:00 am. We did not know old people get up early.

    146. Tgca says:

      I’ve seen videos before showing capitol police letting folks in at the Capitol. This video clearly shows folks asking people to be peaceful and the Capitol police stating to enter they remain peaceful.

      This is devastating evidence to the prosecutors saying it was a mob riot and folks were trespassing.

      Yes, a few in the crowd may have behaved badly but it appears hundreds of others did not.

      Compare this to the videos we saw in 2020 of BLM and Antifa protests and you will see a stark difference to those more violent protests against police.

      https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/new-q-shaman-video-of-capitol-siege-shows-police-allowing-protesters-to-enter/

    147. Tgca says:

      150

      I would request a refund.

      Miami Beach is vibrant. Very diverse and many metrosexuals too.

    148. Tgca says:

      Devastating news for Liz Cheney shows her to be out of touch with the GOP…they just don’t want her in leadership…and 70% majority of GOP approves being loyal to Trump policies.

      Some needs to read her these stats in her next pity tour in MSM interviews and point blank ask her if she is delusional or not.

      Eighty percent of Republicans agree with the GOP’s ouster last week of Rep. Liz Cheney from her House leadership role, while 66 percent say Republicans being loyal to former President Donald Trump is important, according to a new CBS News poll released Sunday.

      Of the 80 percent that said Cheney should have been ousted, 69 percent said they agree with the Wyoming Republican’s removal because she’s not on message with the party, 57 percent said it was because she’s wrong about the 2020 presidential election, 52 percent said it was because she did not support Trump and 34 percent said it’s a sign that disloyalty will be punished, a reference to her challenging Trump and his “lies” surrounding the 2020 presidential election.

      The poll also found:

      89 percent think the GOP should follow Trump’s example on economic issues, 88 percent said the same about his immigration issues, 80 percent about his leadership and 77 percent on how he treated the media.

      73 percent said it’s very important for GOP officials and candidates to propose important legislation on key issues, 58 percent said they should agree with voters on economic policy, 50 percent said they should agree with voters on culture and values and 37 percent said they should support claims of 2020 election fraud.

      67 percent said President Joe Biden is not the legitimate winner of the election, compared with 33 percent who said he is.

      53 percent said the GOP should prioritize getting more voters with policies and ideas in its strategy for winning elections, while 47 percent said the party should push for changes to state voting rules.

      The poll, conducted May 12-14, surveyed 951 Republicans in the U.S. The margin of error is +/- 3.5 percentage points.

      https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/cheney-trump-republicans-gop/2021/05/16/id/1021607/

    149. lisa says:

      fauci: republicans should still be required to wear masks

    150. jason says:

      The Amish are deplorables? Who knew?”

      Only the few that vote.

    151. Tgca says:

      157

      Does this mean I have to learn line dancing? It was never my thang!

      I’m sure gay Amish dudes sneak out to busta move every now and then even if it’s not condoned by the Amish leadership council.

    152. NYCmike says:

      https://www.rebelnews.com/exclusive_minister_of_transport_approved_chinese_fighter_pilot_training_in_canadian_airspace

      -Yet, jason will continue to tell us to NEVER reevaluate our alliances with other countries…….

    153. jason says:

      Yet, jason will continue to tell us to NEVER reevaluate our alliances with other countries”

      Is that what I said or are you a compulsive liar?

    154. Gordon Allen says:

      Tampa is like Harlem compared to Central Park even today;they’re both in NY City.
      And most definitely not South or SW Florida.Sarasota now,with the adjacent “Keys “,Longboat and Siesta,and south is where it starts to get nice,and arguably the northern edge of Florida

    155. Gordon Allen says:

      Tampa though is the home of the Super Bowl Champions.

    156. Gordon Allen says:

      Northern edge of SOUTH Florida

    157. jason says:

      I asked Amos Stoltzfuss if there are gay people in the Amish community.

      He said the Neuenschwanders are big on singing.

    158. NYCmike says:

      “Is that what I said or are you a compulsive liar?”

      -Trump had bad things to say about the NATO alliance. You said he was wrong to say anything, despite the points Trump made being factually correct.

      How should I characterize your position?

      What is your definition of “NEVER” on May 17, 2021? I keep losing track.

    159. jason says:

      Ah yes, Trump’s isolationist and protectionist idiocies included the fact he didn’t understand that NATO is in America’s interest.

      So I thought he was wrong on NATO, still do.

      But I didn’t say anything about “NEVER reevaluate our alliances with other countries”

      Take your lies and GTY. And don’t forget to keep kissing the ass of your hero Chuck Schumer.

    160. jason says:

      Huh, sorry, that was GFY. Where is my coffee?

    161. NYCmike says:

      The same goes for your attitude towards free trade with China (our ENEMY), as well as legal immigration, where you ALWAYS say it must increase, NEVER decrease, despite any changes in circumstances and world events.

      Ludicrous.

    162. NYCmike says:

      “Ah yes, Trump’s isolationist and protectionist idiocies included the fact he didn’t understand that NATO is in America’s interest.”

      -I guess jason, like “CG”, believes the Benjamin Accords were useless and should not be kept in place.

    163. Gordon Allen says:

      I often agree with Jason,but he’s dead wrong on China trade. He mischaracterizes Trumps position on Nato; he was against Nato countries freeloading on our backs( see Angela Merkel) Merkel,and that our priority now was containing China and the Pacific.
      On both Trump was clearly right.
      The future long ago left Europe in the rear view mirror.
      And the Brits were right to see that.

    164. jason says:

      where you ALWAYS say it must increase, NEVER decrease”

      More lies.

      I am against ANY decreases in current LEGAL immigration levels.

      I never said they must ALWAYS increase, GFY.

    165. jason says:

      On both Trump was clearly right.”

      Nah, Trump is a dogmatic isolationist and protectionist, THAT is why he is against free trade (with anyone) and for stupid tariffs and trade wars (with everybody).

      And that is why he made all those asinine comments about NATO and the “freeloading” BS. We pay more for NATO because it has been in our interest to do so. NATO has paid America back in peace dividends and in countering the Russians and in winning the cold war many times over.

      Trump’s positions on China and NATO are just symptoms of his core beliefs, just excuses.

      If there was no China or NATO, there would be something else to fuel his isolationist and protectionist ideas.

    166. jason says:

      EVER decrease, despite any changes in circumstances and world events.”

      Hey NYC, since you brought up immigration are WE STILL WINNING?

    167. Bitterlaw says:

      Gordon – I agree that China is the most serious economic and military threat to the US. However, that should make solid US-Europe military and economic relationships a greater rather than lesser priority.

    168. Meldrim says:

      #169, Mike, I think that you meant the *Abraham* Accords ….

    169. Bitterlaw says:

      NYC supports legal immigration as long as they don’t actually come to America.

    170. NYCmike says:

      “Gordon – I agree that China is the most serious economic and military threat to the US. However, that should make solid US-Europe military and economic relationships a greater rather than lesser priority.”

      -Not one person said anything about making NATO less of a priority.

      Trump did push to make sure all of the NATO countries were making sure to keep up their end of the bargain, and also to make sure certain countries (Germany) were aware that other countries (Russia) were an adversary.

    171. NYCmike says:

      “#169, Mike, I think that you meant the *Abraham* Accords ….”

      -Heh!

      Yes, you are correct!

      When I wrote it, I thought to myself “That looks weird……” but didn’t check it…..glad to see you caught it, and not surprised that jason didn’t, as he deems them not important.

    172. NYCmike says:

      “NYC supports legal immigration as long as they don’t actually come to America.”

      -Yeah, that’s why I choose to live in the most diverse (in terms of different ethnicity) city, quite possibly, in the whole world.

    173. jason says:

      NYC supports legal immigration as long as they don’t actually come to America.”

      NYC always has an exception for any principle and is always at war with himself. Poor bastard must have horrible back problem having to twist himself into a pretzel so often.

      He supports legal immigration but he also supports a 50% cut in legal immigration. What a great supporter!

      He opposes tariffs and trade wars unless Trump imposes them in which case he supports them. Supposedly he only supports them against China but nobody has yet seen any post where he was critical of ANY of Trump’s stupid tariffs and trade wars.

      He supports Ted Cruz shutting down the government over spending, but has no problem with Trump signing massive spending because “he is only signing the bills”.

      He thinks Rubio is a traitorous RINO for shaking hands with Schumer, but has no problem with Trump funding Schumer, Reid, Hillary, the DNSC, etc for decades.

      He supports NATO, as long as someone else pays for it.

      We could go on, but you get the point.

    174. jason says:

      and not surprised that jason didn’t,”

      I don’t know what the Benjamin Accords are, so I was fine with the assertion that I thought they were useless.

    175. jason says:

      The Supreme Court ruled Monday that warrantless gun confiscation from Americans’ homes is unconstitutional, voting unanimously on the side of a Rhode Island man whose firearms were taken by law enforcement without a warrant after his wife expressed concerns that he might hurt himself.”

      Not surprising.

      9-0?

      Surprising.

    176. Meldrim says:

      #179, Mike, I assumed that you mistyped “Benjamin” because you were thinking of Benjamin Netanyahu, but I Googled “Benjamin Accords” just in case there indeed were some agreements other than the Abraham Accords, and I discovered that some kibitzers on the Left call them “Benjamin” instead of “Abraham” because supposedly those Gulf States only signed them “for the Benjamins” (money). I knew that you didn’t mean it that way, but I had to correct the record.

    177. Phil says:

      Beto won’t like that ruling.

      Hell yes we’re coming for your guns.

      Uh, no Beto. You’re not. Not without a warrant anyway.

    178. CG says:

      NYC, you asked me about the “Benjamin Accords” about 4 times last week, so this is not a one-off thing. I was not completely sure what you were talking about but I tried to figure it out. Benjamin Accords sounds like what Ilhan Omar might call it.

      Bye

    179. jason says:

      NYC really is a pathological liar.

      I was never critical of Trump’s policy with Israel. I supported moving the embassy to Jerusalem.

      However, I have always been plenty critical of NYC’s mentor Rand Paul’s asinine idea of cutting military aid to Israel.

    180. jason says:

      NYC being compared to Ilhan Omar?

      Harsh…

    181. Cash Cow TM says:

      No mas.
      No mask.

    182. jason says:

      some kibitzers on the Left call them “Benjamin” instead of “Abraham”

      Ah, now we know why the Biden Troll figured it out.

      Kibitzing on the left comes easy to him.

    183. Bitterlaw says:

      Gordon:

      The future long ago left Europe in the rear view mirror.

      NYC:

      -Not one person said anything about making NATO less of a priority.

      I have had many fights with Gordon but I will not stand by while NYC says that he is not a person.

    184. jason says:

      It’s even worse, it appears that NYC is saying Trump isn’t a person either.

      “Trump torches allies, threatens NATO pullout after tense WWI memorial trip to Paris”

      I guess you could pull out of NATO and still make it a priority?

    185. Gordon Allen says:

      I’m unequivocally saying make Europe a lesser priority.
      The course of the 21st Century will be decided in the Pacific.

    186. jason says:

      I never thought of Gordon as a person anyway.

      Only bots have a real name.

    187. jason says:

      Guess how NPR interpreted the 9-0 ruling against confiscation of guns.

      “SCOTUS limits warrantless police searches”

    188. jason says:

      Real first and last name.

      Of course I would put all my names here but nobody wants to have to read 23 Incan names before they get to the good st-ff.

    189. jason says:

      The Biden Troll drove by to call NYC Ilhan Omar and left.

      It was more like a missile strike than a drive by shooting.

    190. NYCmike says:

      “NYC, you asked me about the “Benjamin Accords” about 4 times last week, so this is not a one-off thing.”

      -You are correct. I made the same mistake the last time I wrote the name of the peace accords when discussing it with you. Unfortunately, I missed when you asked what they were. Not sure how I made that mistake again.

      Abraham Accords.
      Abraham Accords.
      Abraham Accords.

      I should have realized Trump would insist on some alliterative flair.

    191. NYCmike says:

      To Meldrim,

      Appreciate that information. I did not mean to copy those kibitzers in using a negative term.

    192. NYCmike says:

      CC

    193. Bitterlaw says:

      I’m unequivocally saying make Europe a lesser priority.

      I would like to point out that I was the one who stood up against NYC’s slur that Gordon was not a person.

    194. Bitterlaw says:

      stuff

    195. NYCmike says:

      “The course of the 21st Century will be decided in the Pacific.”

      -You will need a unified western world, and NATO helps accomplish that……which is one of the reasons that Trump was not cordial with them. NATO was not acting in our, or their, best interests, as a group.

      If you think that we can take on China and Russia without NATO, I think you are mistaken.

      Of course, how we deal with Turkey, a NATO “ally”, is also a YUGE question……..

    196. jason says:

      Babylon Bee:

      Tensions Rise In Middle East As One Side Wants To Kill Jews And The Other Side Are Jews Who Don’t Want To Die And Neither Will Compromise

    197. jason says:

      DeBlasio is offering free french fries if you get vaccinated.

      No, NYC, it is not healthy to get your 35th vaccination.

    198. jason says:

      I would like to point out that I was the one who stood up against NYC’s slur that Gordon was not a person”

      And I stood up against NYC’s slur that Trump was not a person.

    199. Phil says:

      In blue state Va?

      Not a snowball’s chance in hell.

      Next.

    200. Bitterlaw says:

      An absolute prediction? Virginia Republicans take heart as Phil increases odds of winning Governor’s mansion.

    201. Phil says:

      Yeah, bitter.

      Bet the farm on Youngkin. You’ll make a fortune.

    202. jason says:

      So Bitter who are you voting for PA SC? I saw the Inquirer endorsed Brobson over the Philly candidate.

    203. Wes says:

      If Biden continues to fail as President, Republicans do have an outside shot at beating McAuliffe.

      Right now, I wouldn’t bet on it, but soaring inflation and increasing unemployment can work to the GOP’s benefit.

      Personally I think Republicans need to seriously contest NM-1, VA-Gov, and NJ-Gov.

      Biden is giving Republicans a rare chance to make inroads in states that have shifted left over the past decade. The GOP would be foolish not to work hard in each.

    204. Wes says:

      Former LA Governor Buddy Roemer (D/R) died yesterday. Roemer beat scandal-plagued Governor Edwin Edwards in 1987 and switched parties in 1991. He was eliminated in the first round in 1991, setting up the infamous race between Edwards and David Duke.

    205. Bitterlaw says:

      Phil – Not sure. Brobson is already an appellate judge. McCullough sounds qualified. Patrick used to be a Democrat but that’s how you get elected in Philadelphia. She soundsmost conservative but there are allegations she is a QAnon believer. If true, that disqualifies her to me. However, it may not be true so I will check into it.

    206. Bitterlaw says:

      Yeah, bitter.

      Bet the farm on Youngkin. You’ll make a fortune.

      I wish I had bet the farm in 2016 that PA would never vote for the Republican nominee for President.

    207. jason says:

      Phil – Not sure. ”

      Hey, A-hole, what am I, chopped liver, I was the one who asked the question.

      Dang, Bitter is on the fence again?

      It’s time to buck up and vote. I recommend Brobson.

      Since I can’t vote I thought I would stick my nose into Bitter’s vote.

      As for the ballot initiatives I recommend a yes vote on 1 and 2 and a no vote on 3 and 4.

    208. jason says:

      Strippers return to work, but some see pay decrease.”

      Sad.

    209. Bitterlaw says:

      I thought Jason would be opposed to Brobson since he is endorsed by the evil establishment. Apparently, reviewing the judicial experience of candidates for the Pennsylvania Supreme Court is impermissible thinking. Why would a lawyer look at something like that?

    210. jason says:

      wes, intrigued why you think NM-1 is worth spending any resources on.

      I would like this seat to be competitive but at Predictit the Dem is favored 98-2.

      So far:
      Voting update for #NM CD1 special election. As of this morning, total of 18,508 votes had been cast. Here’s breakdown by party affiliation:
      Democrats — 11,892
      Republicans — 4,471
      Independent/other — 2,068
      Libertarian — 77
      Election Day is set for June 1

    211. jason says:

      Ma, the Bitterfish are biting this morning.

      I don’t know anything about Brobson, I only picked him because he is from this area.

    212. Bitterlaw says:

      I don’t know anything about Brobson, I only picked him because he is from this area.

      So is Governor Wolf. Not the best reason to support a candidate.

    213. jason says:

      McCullough did rule for Trump after the election, so there is that.

    214. Bitterlaw says:

      McCullough is out on the frontier in Pittsburgh. My daughter and money will be out there in August.

    215. Bitterlaw says:

      Brobson was endorsed by the Philadelphia Inquirer but that is only temporary. It will trash him in November.

      I met with the Editorial Board in 2002. Of course, they did not endorse me but they did refer to me as a “smart, charming conservative” on their endorsement pages.

    216. jason says:

      So is Governor Wolf. Not the best reason to support a candidate.”

      LOL

      Bitter is critical of my “support” for a candidate I am not even voting for.

      I love this place.

    217. Wes says:

      Jason, the Dem advantage in the district is down from the comparable time last year, and all indications are that Moores is running a good campaign. Meanwhile, Biden’s energy policies aren’t exactly appealing to people in energy-producing areas. See the recent mayoral race in Anchorage.

    218. jason says:

      Here, I will make Bitter happy.

      I think you should look at it from all angles, make a thoughtful decision, and then vote.

      No wonder companies pay me for my advice, I know what the audience wants.

    219. jason says:

      Yeah, the Anchorage election was a surprise, but the odds were like 3-1, not 50-1.

      Evidently the Dem was big on lockdowns which hurt the local business owners.

      Maybe I will invest $50 for a $2500 payoff.

    220. Tgca says:

      225

      Yeah! 2002 was before the term metrosexual was widely used and understood by the masses so I guess they did not hype that up back then.

      Did you wear a sweater to the interview?

    221. Phil says:

      NM-1

      Sadly, the nature of the district makes it a lost cause. Keep your money and use it to send candidates in winnable House races in 2022. Republicans will need it. Democrats will out spend Republicans 2-1 in the 22 cycle. Thanks to wealthy lefty billionaires especially in the tech industry the left now has the resources along with all their other legs up.

      Democrats will be fired up big time in the next cycle. They think with the Pa senate race in the bag they will get their Senate majority and finish off the filibuster once and for all. At that point, if they can somehow hang onto the House their dreams of permanent one party rule will be realized. They are just this close to:

      Two more permanent Democratic Senators

      HB1 wiping out election security once and for all

      Citizenship for millions of illegals who will then be able to cast ballots (no bitter, they wont be oting like the Irish)

      Packing the courts with radical leftists, Supreme and Circuit Courts alike.

      Beto like gun legislation

      …and God knows what else. You can only imagine

      Democrats are on the cusp of final, and complete control in their utopian transformation of America. They will put their foot on the gas. They are on the brink of realizing their wildest political fantasies.

      Wait and send your money to winnable House races in swing districts in 2022. Stopping Democrats by flipping the House is the last hope. Jason and I will be rooting for you guys.

    222. Wes says:

      Spending money in spring of 2021 isn’t going to have an adverse effect on elections in fall of 2022, Phil.

    223. Phil says:

      Agree it will be a drop in the bucket but Republicans will need each dime in the 2022 fight. It’s an uphill fight to keep the House but keeping the House really the last stand.

    224. Wes says:

      I don’t know how PA-Sen is in the bag, Phil. Even when Trump lost the state last year, Dems lost a high-profile statewide race. The Republicans in the race aren’t slouches by any means, and Dems haven’t been able to coalesce around a single candidate. Until I see actual data indicating Dems are locks to win PA-Sen, I’m not subscribing to that idea.

      Even if that were the case, Dems have vulnerable incumbents in NH, GA, and AZ. That doesn’t look like a guaranteed Senate majority to me with the series of unfortunate events that have plagued the country since Biden took office.

      Let’s not forget in 2008, Dems won districts that were more Republican than NM-1 is Dem as a sign of the near apocalypse that would hit the GOP that year. Going back further, although Dems flipped no special elections from Republicans in 2005 and 2006, their strong showings were warnings of the way the 2006 elections would break.

    225. Wes says:

      Val Deming’s must realize Republicans will redistrict her out of a seat and feel the need to cash in. She’ll challenge Marco Rubio next year and is unlikely to come within single digits of him.

    226. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes applies logic. Phil applies fear.

    227. Wes says:

      Correction:

      Republicans won two statewide offices in PA last year, in one unseating an incumbent Dem. I guess with that fraud Dems won the state by, they overlooked row offices for some reason.

    228. Phil says:

      I’ll grant you there are some plus signs going into 2020. Democratic retirements and open districts for one. That said, I think Republicans captured around four seats in California by a point or less. Democrats there control the electoral process. If there is one thing we know about Democrats, they will cheat like hell. I suspect they will do what needs to be done in order to get those seats back….just like they gamed the electoral system in 2020 to make sure 2016 didn’t happen again.

      As far as the Senate, I wouldn’t expect Arizona or Georgia to come back into the fold. They are both going the way of Colorado and irginia. Reliably red states up until 2004 and now going going gone.

    229. Phil says:

      Bitter, you wouldn’t know logic if it bit you in the ass. Mr “what me worry”. That’s the basis for your illegals will vote Republican, man up and vote in the Senate naïveté.

    230. Tgca says:

      Well! Well! Well!

      It appears NCAA backs down on its threats to boycott those localities with Trans bans.

      In April 2021, NCAA:
      “When determining where championships are held, NCAA policy directs that only locations where hosts can commit to providing an environment that is safe, healthy and free of discrimination should be selected,” the Board of Governors said.

      “We will continue to closely monitor these situations to determine whether NCAA championships can be conducted in ways that are welcoming and respectful of all participants.”

      NOW NCAA:
      Three states with legislation banning transgender athletes from interscholastic competition were named Sunday by the NCAA as hosts for the upcoming postseason softball tournament, angering advocacy groups and rebutting statements made last month by an influential NCAA governance body that suggested the future hosting of postseason events may be impacted by such legislation.

      SEC schools within the three states — Alabama, Arkansas and Tennessee — will serve as regional hosts for the 64-team tournament, which begins Friday and is scheduled to conclude in early June at the Women’s College World Series in Oklahoma City.

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2021/05/17/ncaa-states-transgender-athlete-bans-host-softball-regionals/5129476001/

    231. Bitterlaw says:

      Phil – You filter everything through fear. There must be Irish DNA in you. You expect the worst so you can never be disappointed.

    232. Phil says:

      Tgca, I’m a huge college football fan and I can tell you any back down on the transgender issue isn’t all about that issue itself.

      Rumblings that Big power schools in the major conferences have about had it with the NCAA. They are threatening to form their own Power 5 Conference Association. The NCAA has made a bunch of bone headed rulings that Big time football powers have not liked at all. The NCAA is just trying to take another divisive issue off the table. They have enough to worry about without rocking the boat…to say nothing of not wanting to antagonize a big boy like Bama.

    233. Wes says:

      At this point, I have to ask you which argument you’re going to make, Phil. Are GA and AZ states Biden had to steal, or are they solidly Dem states?

      It can’t be both.

      Personally I don’t think it’s either. I think the 2020 results were the product of Trump’s unpopularity and lackluster campaign. That to me says the 2020 results are reversible given how poorly Biden is running the country.

    234. Phil says:

      …and you choose to merrily just whistle by the graveyard. Abolish the filibuster indeed.

    235. Phil says:

      Rapidly moving more blue every cycle, Wes. They finally got close enough to steal this last cycle. They’ll move further left during future cycles where theft will no longer be necessary. See Colorado and Virginia. Same progression in Arizona and Georgia.

    236. Tgca says:

      Dr. Fow-Chee, Biden’s chief medical advisor, all but admits that his recent recommendations on masks after vaccination were not based on science but on “concerns over sending mixed signals” which clearly is not science.

      Rand Paul was right! Dr. Fow-chee was wrong! Rand saw through the BS in the recent hearings. Now Dr. Fow-chee backpedals to try and explain why he just changed his view again from a few weeks ago.

      UNBELIEVABLE! This guy has to be be the most incompetent gubbermint medical professional to advise senior leaders in decades.

      He is simply a media whore that has had more errors then I ever recall a public official having and is a useful idiot of the left and Dems to continue trying to control Americans into desired behaviors to consolidate and maintain power.

      https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/fauci-admits-the-truth-rand-paul-was-right/

    237. Tgca says:

      243. Phil

      My point is that the NCAA look like fools, regardless of the reasoning since they are doing an about face less than a month after they came out with their lecturing statement on trans bans.

      The NCAA governing board is made up of university presidents and senior university leaders so not sure if any of those that signed off on that statement are also members of the Big Power Schools you mentioned.

    238. Wes says:

      There we go back to my argument about the Trump effect on those states, Phil.

      Obama made gains in both states in 2008. Romney reversed those gains in 2012. With Trump on the ballot, Dems made gain in 2016 and 2018.

      Let’s see how well the Dems do there with Biden in office.

    239. Wes says:

      Err, 2016 and 2020, though Dems had their first breakthrough in either state in AZ in 2018.

    240. Phil says:

      Tgca, you are 100% correct that the NCAA has looked like fools. We both know it is because they ARE fools. No argument there….and their board is absolutely made up of radical wokees. For example, the PAC 12 and Big 10 couldn’t wait to cancel the football season last year. They only backtracked because the the ACC, SEC, Big 12 conferences told them to pound sand and that they were playing regardless. In other words, they called their bluff.

    241. NYCmike says:

      “Personally I think Republicans need to seriously contest NM-1, VA-Gov, and NJ-Gov.”

      -I don’t see Republicans having any chance for NJ Governor.

    242. Bitterlaw says:

      Abolish the filibuster indeed.

      Your inability to read subsequent posts is matched only by jason.

    243. Bitterlaw says:

      -I don’t see Republicans having any chance for NJ Governor.

      Murphy destroyed the economy. The nursing homes were killing grounds. He has the advantage in a blue state but wait staff, bartenders, and parents who had to stay home for virtual school vote. He should not waste a minute campaigning in Central Jersey and the beach towns.

    244. Bitterlaw says:

      If softball and basketball allow trans athletes to compete, those sports are finished. Softball would be hardest hit. It is 60 feet between bases – a fair distance for the players. Baseball is 90 feet. A fast trans would be 1/2 way to stealing a base on release of the pitch.

      Batting would also be very dangerous for the pitcher and infielders. The mound (which is actually flat) is only 43 feet from home plate. They use composite bats. A genetic male would rip the ball harder and faster than the female softball players have ever faced.

    245. Bitterlaw says:

      I have performed my civic duty and voted in mostly uncontested primary races. I did vote to end King Wolf’s emergency powers.

    246. Gordon Allen says:

      The hysterics in Arizona now and before Ga,should prove even to hate Trump all thr time Wes that they were stolen. Flat stolen. 12 000 votes is pocket change on the steal an election meter.
      A few elections ago 10,000 “votes”( ballots) werd “found” in the trunk of a car of a Democratic alderman-2 days after the election. It was the winning margin in the Governors race.
      In 2018 the Election supervisor in Broward County Fla ” found” 72,000 uncounted ” provisional ballots” during 2 days after the election,even though Florida law is clear that NO ballots( other than overseas military ballots) can be counted if not received by 8 pm Election Day.
      This got her fired by DeSantis on taking office,but she sure tried.
      Cheating has been a way of life for Democrats for over a Century.
      Wes knows this,but his personal obsessive hatred of Trump doesn’t allow him to believe that he won.
      But HR 1 is a perpetual license for them to steal elections in perpetuity, Trump or no Trump.
      And their support for institutionalized 2020 procedures also should make clear as well they know they stole one,got away with it, and are hell bent on continuing to do so on the same scale

    247. NYCmike says:

      #254 – all true.

      And I predict he will get more votes in the rest of the state.

      Hope I am wrong.

    248. Gordon Allen says:

      The election for Governor of Connecticut.

    249. NYCmike says:

      “A genetic male would rip the ball harder and faster than the female softball players have ever faced.”

      -Hater.

    250. Bitterlaw says:

      A line drive hit by a genetic male could shatter the pitcher’s facial bones.

      In a less dramatic issue – base running- the male would steal 2nd and 3rd in 2 pitches.

    251. Tgca says:

      254

      I’m not sure about the Sewer State. Those low wage and service workers were getting money to stay home and not work.

      My understanding that the max NJ unemployment benefits during Covid has been about $720 plus $300 from feds. That’s about $52K annually to do nothing as it has been extended to Sep 2021.

      Even if that is only 75% of your salary but you get it regardless, for many, there’s no incentive to go back to work. This was the issue in the 90s with welfare benefits being a disincentive to work until welfare reform was signed by Clinton with Newts help.

      Service Businesses are having difficulty finding people to work even though millions are eligible to work. In FL it’s been a real problem trying to restaff the restaurants because folks were not applying.

      My local pizza place had to reduce their hours because they couldn’t find staff for months. Same with Best Buy. They could not fully staff normal hours so they reduced store hours.

      This Covid welfare is not necessarily going to bring out voters for the GOP in mass numbers if they’re content not looking for work. Yes, maybe small business owners will be angry but will the workers who won’t apply to them be upset enough to turn to the GOP? It could actually help Dems in the big urban centers which generally keep the Sewer State in its Sewer atmosphere run by Dems.

    252. NYCmike says:

      “A line drive hit by a genetic male could shatter the pitcher’s facial bones.”

      -YET, you have not been a more vocal opponent of the WOKE culture invading every facet of American lives.

    253. NYCmike says:

      Tgca,

      Exactly what I am seeing and feeling.

      I feel like I am in a nanny state. When Christie Kreme beat Corzine, the hatred for Corzine was palpable. Murphy-hatred is confined to Trump-loving-pockets.

    254. NYCmike says:

      Then again, Turkey is a NATO ally, and one mustn’t say anything bad about a NATO ally.

    255. jason says:

      I have performed my civic duty and voted in mostly uncontested primary races. I did vote to end King Wolf’s emergency powers.”

      I admire Bitter’s tenacity. Against all odds and all evidence, he thinks his vote will count this time around and in the future.

      That being said, since every ballot measure has passed in PA since the dawning of time or Walt’s birth, whichever came first, Wolf might have his powers curtailed.

    256. jason says:

      and one mustn’t say anything bad about a NATO ally.”

      I think some moron interpreted “we must protect the NATO Alliance” as “we cannot say anything bad about a NATO member”.

    257. jason says:

      This Pope is a real schmuck.”

      Poor Bitter now has to deal with two “anti-Catholic” bigots here.

    258. jason says:

      Republicans won two statewide offices in PA last year, in one unseating an incumbent Dem. I guess with that fraud Dems won the state by, they overlooked row offices for some reason.”

      Ah yes, about as stupid as “I didn’t see any fraud in NC so there couldn’t have been any fraud in GA or WI”.

      Now we have “if Rs won ONE statewide race in PA, there couldn’t have been fraud in any other race”.

      Zzzzzzz…….

    259. jason says:

      -YET, you have not been a more vocal opponent of the WOKE culture invading every facet of American lives”

      Anyone know of a good remedy for a bitten tongue?

    260. NYCmike says:

      “I think some moron interpreted “we must protect the NATO Alliance” as “we cannot say anything bad about a NATO member”.”

      Trump 2017-2020 = said bad things about NATO, got some of them to pay more $$, did NOT disband it.

      jason: Trump wants to get rid of NATO.

      I guess you know what you are speaking about…..

    261. Cash Cow TM says:

      Marshall University ( in Huntington WV) won the national soccer championship the other day.

      Surprised Wes did not mention this.

    262. Tgca says:

      Stoopid skank Liz Cheney won’t support McCarthy for Speaker if GOP takes back the House. She is soooo full of herself and tone deaf. I swear she must be banging Pierre Delecto!

      She claims she is not going to lose her re-election either.

      Former House Republican conference chair Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., recently told Politico that she wouldn’t support Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., in a bid for speaker if the GOP manages to take control over the House.

      “I think that we’ve got to have leaders who lead based on principle, and that’s not what we’ve seen from him,” Cheney said, referring to McCarthy, in an interview released on Tuesday.

      Apparently, she further sees herself as the GOP Messiah.

      “When you look at history, it’s individuals who make a difference. And I feel really honored to be able to stand up and speak on these issues that I think are going to determine the future of the country and the future of our democracy.”

      So everyone is an idiot and moron and the 95% of the GOP who supported Trump are just too stoopid but she as an individual has the real leadership skills to save us from ourselves. Okaaaaaay!

      https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/liz-cheney-mccarthy-house-speaker/2021/05/18/id/1021808/

    263. jason says:

      Trump 2017-2020 = said bad things about NATO, got some of them to pay more $$, did NOT disband it.”

      Yeah, he is an isolationist and protectionist so no surprise he would try to attack and weaken NATO.

      He did not disband NATO? Should he get a medal for that?

      Fortunately, very few people on either side of the aisle thought that his attacks on NATO were a good idea.

    264. jason says:

      Cheney is a lucky woman.

      In love with herself and not a rival on Earth.

    265. jason says:

      jason: Trump wants to get rid of NATO.”

      What I actually quoted:

      “Trump torches allies, threatens NATO pullout after tense WWI memorial trip to Paris”

      Although I agree “threatens NATO pullout’ is just about as stupid as wants to get rid of NATO.

    266. NYCmike says:

      “Fortunately, very few people on either side of the aisle thought that his attacks on NATO were a good idea.”

      -Then there was the 1 A-Hole who thought that Trump would disband NATO…..but it was the same guy who thought the word “NEVER” meant a couple of months…..so there it is…..

    267. jason says:

      Teacher’s union decides what language Biden Admin should use.

      HUGE: AFT’s @rweingarten tells CSPAN the Biden Admin “asked for language” they could use in the CDC’s guidance on school re-openings (which was used “nearly verbatim”).

      “They asked us for language and we gave them language when they asked for it.”

      Normal

    268. jason says:

      -Then there was the 1 A-Hole who thought that Trump would disband NATO”

      What I actually quoted:

      “Trump torches allies, threatens NATO pullout after tense WWI memorial trip to Paris”

    269. jason says:

      ut it was the same guy who thought the word “NEVER” meant a couple of months”

      The good thing about compulsive liars is that they never know when one lie start and one ends.

      I said Never Trump was a movement during the 2016 election cycle, which was a lot longer than a couple months.

      Some people continued to be a part of it, I did not.

      GFY.

    270. NYCmike says:

      According to jason, there are more “compulsive liars” at HHR than anywhere in the world…..and “somehow” he fits in perfectly!

    271. jason says:

      NYC loves company.

    272. NYCmike says:

      I’m rubber you’re glue…….

    273. Bitterlaw says:

      I said Never Trump was a movement during the 2016 election cycle, which was a lot longer than a couple months.

      Some people continued to be a part of it, I did not.

      No comment. Damn.

    274. jason says:

      This tough. I already bit my tongue several times today.

    275. Wes says:

      jason says:
      May 18, 2021 at 2:35 pm
      Republicans won two statewide offices in PA last year, in one unseating an incumbent Dem. I guess with that fraud Dems won the state by, they overlooked row offices for some reason.”

      Ah yes, about as stupid as “I didn’t see any fraud in NC so there couldn’t have been any fraud in GA or WI”.

      Now we have “if Rs won ONE statewide race in PA, there couldn’t have been fraud in any other race.

      Zzzzzzz…….

      Your argument is about as stupid as saying Democrats would dump $200 million into a state they control the entire electoral process of but steal the election in every other state but that one. It’s also about as stupid as saying Democrats would steal an election in one state while letting an incumbent lose to a potential candidate for future higher office.

      Wait. You’re saying exactly those things.

      No one ever libeled you by saying you have a fully functional brain.

    276. jason says:

      Stoopid skank Liz Cheney won’t support McCarthy for Speaker if GOP takes back the House.”

      Maybe she can refrain from supporting him from her retirement ranch in WY.

    277. Wes says:

      Liz is a stupid egotist who thinks her maiden name makes her invincible, Tg.

      I can’t wait till the WYGOP tosses her out next year in the primary.

    278. jason says:

      Yes I am saying you have to be really stupid to say if there was no fraud in NC there couldn’t have been fraud in PA, NV, AZ, WI, GA.

      I am saying you are really stupid to say that because there was fraud in one race in PA, there had to be fraud in every race.

      But then, you ARE really stupid.

    279. jason says:

      but steal the election in every other state but that one.”

      Nobody alleged fraud in every state.

      Yet.

    280. jason says:

      No one ever libeled you by saying you have a fully functional brain.”

      This from the genius who thinks because he is critical of Trump’s tweets and campaign that it means there could not have been fraud in states Trump lost by 10k votes out of millions cast.

      Yep, wes is really a “deep thinker”.

    281. jason says:

      wes, we can argue this forever or we can accept that you don’t think there was election fraud while most Rs and most of us here think there was.

    282. Bitterlaw says:

      This tough. I already bit my tongue several times today.

      This truce is difficult and dangerous. When A-holes are blocked, what they eventually spew will be messy.

    283. Bitterlaw says:

      wes, we can argue this forever

      Of course you can. It’s what we do here.

    284. Phil says:

      Texas A&M announces full go for full capacity during football season. 102,000 at packed Kyle Field this fall.

      Take that, Fauci!

    285. Wes says:

      Oh, I accept I’m in the minority here, Jason. That doesn’t mean I play Follow the Leader and agree with the consensus. Notice Phil and I have our disagreements about this but never get into fights about it it. We each have different opinions and agree to disagree.

      I’ve said Dems worked overtime to rig the election in their favor. I don’t think they stole it though because a) Trump spent four years working them to a fever pitch and putting himself in danger of losing and b) if Dems were going to steal an election, they wouldn’t have stopped with a handful of states but would have done the same in this state–where they not coincidentally dumped over $200 million and engaged in massive voter drives and GOTV efforts. No party hell-bent on stealing an election is going to ignore a low hanging fruit like NC.

      That’s why I don’t buy the fraud theory. It smacks too much of what Democrats said to try to rationalize why Gore lost in 2000.

      One thing you’re also ignoring is that Dems would have said exactly the same things Republicans said–and reacted far more violently than Republicans did–had Trump managed to overturn the election in the courts.

    286. jason says:

      I am happy to agree to disagree on the fraud issue.

    287. jason says:

      Axios headline:

      FBI investigating alleged massive scheme to illegally finance Susan Collins’ re-election bid”

      The fine print.

      “There’s no indication that Collins or her team were aware of any of it.”

      “The allegedly reimbursed donations came in clusters, according to federal contribution records, between June and September 2019, and amounted to less than 0.2% of the Collins campaign’s total fundraising.”

    288. jason says:

      Would 1% be “5 times massive”?

    289. Phil says:

      But they got the headline out there, Jason….which, of course, was the sole intention.

    290. Wes says:

      For what good it did them, Phil. Collins is safe in the Senate for 5 1/2 more years. Dems couldn’t beat her with Obama or Biden on the ballot. This is just a parting shot to try to tarnish her win.

      It’s stupid and petty but means absolutely nothing.

    291. jason says:

      There are wes’s arguments above.

      Then there is the fact the election was decided by 42k votes combined in 3 states out of 12 million cast in states where there were a lot of issues with VBM, unsupervised counts, ballot harvesting, illegal votes, etc.

      You can believe there was no fraud because none was alleged in NC.

      Or you can believe Trump would have won WI, GA and WI barring fraud, not to mention NV and PA.

      Most Rs believe the latter. Some don’t.

      wes and I are not Republicans, and we are on opposite sides of the issue.

    292. Phil says:

      Doesn’t move the needle at all, Wes but it is just another illustration how the media is 100% in leftist attack mode 24/7 365 days a year. They are relentless. It’s why the Republicans will have a tough time in 2022. When one side controls the airways to the extent they do it’s an uphill battle. Worse than I’ve ever seen it and getting worse all the time.

    293. Wes says:

      That’s the thing, Jason. I’m not a Republican, and I’m under no obligation to be part of a gestalt POV on this. I voted for Trump, but I could tell from the day after the 2018 elections, he had learned nothing and was cruising to defeat.

      Believing Trump was robbed will change nothing. Believing Biden and the Democrats are a clear threat to this country’s continuing as a major world power and must be stopped is far more important and pressing to me.

      That’s why I want Republicans to win decisively in 2022 and 2024. Arguing Trump was robbed based on anecdotal evidence of multiple failed court challenges and 42,000 votes doesn’t achieve that goal but distracts from it.

    294. lisab says:

      Then there is the fact the election was decided by 42k votes combined in 3 states out of 12 million cast in states where there were a lot of issues with VBM, unsupervised counts, ballot harvesting, illegal votes, etc.
      ————————-

      there 100% is the appearance of fraud

      and

      it was a mistake for the gop to allow the dems to railroad the election through simply because many in the establishment hated trump

      if the courts and the gop establishment had at least made the appearance of checking the validity of the election, they would be in a much better place … and the dems would be too

      when many people in a democracy think their votes are not being honestly counted

      and

      that their wealth is being given to others in the other party

      otherwise honest people start playing the system

    295. lisab says:

      otherwise honest people start playing the system
      ————————————————

      for example, i off-shored a major part of my wealth prior to the election (not because of the election, but just for a retirement investment)

      and will continue to do so now.

      why invest in the usa if the government is going to take my money and give it to illegals?

    296. Wes says:

      Biden has been every bit the failure I expected as President. Things are only getting worse under him. This may be the pain we need to change the direction of this country. I don’t like it at all, but I knew it was coming.

      The Democrat Party is too authoritarian and too willing to divide people for the sole purpose of achieving power for things to be sustainable as they are.

    297. Phil says:

      Whoa, Lisa. You’re hometown back in Massachusetts would not approve of the last part of that statement. You are hereby dubbed “xenophobic.”

      Aren’t you ashamed?

    298. jason says:

      As Biden was test driving a Ford 150, reporters asked if they could inquire about Israel.

      “No, you can’t,” he said, via pooler @AlexThomp. “Not unless you get in front of the car as I step on it. I’m only teasing.”

      Imagine if Trump said the same thing.

    299. Phil says:

      your

    300. Wes says:

      A friend of mine at work today laid into a Biden supporter by snarkily “thanking” him for the way the country is going. The Biden supporter halfheartedly tried to say everything is fine. We could tell he didn’t really believe what he was saying.

      It was fun to watch.

    301. Phil says:

      Someone tell me one policy that would be different today than if Bernie Sanders was in the WH.

    302. jason says:

      Believing Trump was robbed will change nothing. Believing Biden and the Democrats are a clear threat to this country’s continuing as a major world power and must be stopped is far more important and pressing to me.”

      Sounds like a good theory but it has one deep flaw.

      And that is if you accept a fraudulent result the Dems will just be emboldened to steal the next election too.

      I have a problem with “moving on” from a stolen election in the hopes the next one won’t be stolen.

      But nothing has changed in PA. The same mechanisms for fraud are still in place. So we are just moving on to the same outcome.

      I have no doubt that Trump didn’t lose PA by 80k votes. So my vote didn’t count. Unless I feel confident that it will count, I see no reason to keep voting.

    303. Wes says:

      Change the name to Gore, the state to FL, and the number to 537, and you have exactly what Democrats have been saying for 20 years about the 2000 election, Jason.

      The GOP just happened to be on the losing side this time.

    304. Tgca says:

      298. Wes

      Your analysis is very naive from a forensic viewpoint.

      Have you ever been to any of these Dem strongholds to see the corruption? Much of it is blatantly allowed in blue states. I provided examples of recently over turned election in NJ due to fraud. There have been other cases too.

      Gordon provided earlier examples of thousands of ballots found at the last minute. We’re not talking landslide fraud here, we’re talking about 40k votes in a few Dem strongholds that showed up conveniently late.

      Most of this known fraud occurs in poor or minority areas where if you question it, it becomes front page news of trying to disenfranchise voters, especially AA or Latinos which no Republican has the stomach to fight against.

      Forensic analysis is used all over the world to identify criminal trends and solve criminal cases. Probability theory is used in everyday life from biology to aeronautics. To say the same probabilistic concepts of all these events going one way is just hogwash is not serious forensic science.

      To sit and say because it did not happen in NC means it did not happen elsewhere is ludicrous. NC was never part of the Blue Wall the Dems needed to win back by any means possible.

      No one said this was a coordinated effort across the US. This was local politics trying to rig the system. Like the saying goes, all politics are local in the end, and so is political fraud.

      We’ve seen this before. For example, for decades, minorities were oppressed and had their rights violated by isolated instances where there was no coordinated effort nationwide by a group. To say it did not exist because it did not happen in certain areas is to deny where it did happen. It appears the same principle occurred here but against Trump.

      There are too many anomalies and affidavits attesting otherwise to say it was just simple coincidence that everything went Biden’s way against all odds. I want to see the forensic audits continue to explain the numerous discrepancies. If they’re explainable with information we have not seen yet, then fine. But for you to whitewash it when you haven’t read or seen the evidence is nonsense. There is very strong indication of fraud here, more difficult than in many criminal cases.

      How can someone say fraud did not occur and they have not even seen the evidence yet since not one court in the 80+ cases looked at evidence; they only considered standing and timing.

      This is the same tactic that corporate America takes when identifying fraud. Unusual trends generally lead to some indication fraud is in play. Often companies are hush on fraud because they don’t want to be exposed or sued by shareholders. We see this especially either in bank fraud where management often knows but does not want it public. I suspect many politicians, including the GOP want this to go away because they may have some accountability for failure to act.

      If we accept these probabilistic outcomes are not realistic then that’s like saying we have to accept DNA is faulty and should not be used in criminal investigations.

      …and lastly, this is nothing like the 2000 election because fraud was not the issue there. It was about selective counting of Dem counties in FL and even the heavily Dem Supreme Court there could not support that.

      The fact that some say the election was stolen was because they felt that Gore should have won because he had more national votes and the select county recounting was stopped but that is silly since the election is based on the EC and not national vote totals.

    305. jason says:

      70% of Rs think the election was stolen. At least a third of Indies do too.

      I don’t think “moving on” from it is the right idea.

      lisab is correct. There is a big problem when that many people think the system is dishonest and their vote is disenfranchised.

    306. Wes says:

      You’re just too self-absorbed to get over the fact that you were wrong in predicting Trump would win, Tg.

      I literally posted a link where Democrats in 2000 sued alleging fraud in 2000, so quite honestly you have no clue what you’re talking about.

      Trump was unpopular. Democrats were eager to get out and vote him out of office. Trump lost. We’ve seen similar results with a host of Presidents from John Quincy Adams to George H. W. Bush.

      All of this esoteric talk about probablistic concepts, algorithms, and any other jargon you can dream of to claim Biden didn’t win means something only to you and others who, like you, can’t accept being wrong.

      It’s the self-justifying talk of blog ciphers, talk radio hosts, and Trump-supporting YouTubers. No one not determined to be convinced by such specious evidence is going to be convinced just as no one determined to be convinced Gore beat Bush is going to be convinced of that.

      Trump lost. You just can’t get over that fact. That’s why you have to claim to be a forensic expert to try to say otherwise. You have no proof but opinion. That’s why your argument is vapid nonsense.

    307. jason says:

      Change the name to Gore, the state to FL, and the number to 537,”

      Apples and oranges, there is NOTHING similar.

      The Fl results came out the same night. Nobody knew how many votes were needed to steal anything. In fact, the MSM and Rs and the Dems thought the difference was 50k, until it was corrected to 500+ after the election was called and Gore conceded.

      The system was not designed for an election that close, nobody is ever going to know who really won, although I think in that case you go with the person who won on election night, which is what happened.

      The Dems blamed Ralph Nader. The butterfly ballot. The Supreme Court. Hanging chads or whatever.

      But I don’t remember 75% of Dems saying the Rs committed election fraud on election night.

      Plus the other difference is that nobody had the tools for fraud available in this election. Millions of ballots floating around that nobody knows who filled them out.

    308. jason says:

      I literally posted a link where Democrats in 2000 sued alleging fraud in 2000,”

      Except it was a Dem voter, not even the campaign.

    309. Wes says:

      70% of Republicans and 30% of Indies believe that because Trump bellowed, “I won this election in a landslide!” before states finished counting votes and launched into a two-month-long temper tantrum complete with lawsuits repeatedly tossed out of court that would have made Al Gore in 2000 blush.

      That’s not enough evidence for me.

    310. jason says:

      Trump lost. You just can’t get over that fact. ”

      Zzzzz…

      I can just as easily say:

      “Trump lost due to fraud. You just can’t get over that fact”

      There was rampant election fraud in 2020.

      You can move on if you want.

    311. jason says:

      70% of Republicans and 30% of Indies believe that because Trump bellowed, “I won this election in a landslide!””

      BS.

      I never even saw that.

      That is just a cheap insult.

    312. Wes says:

      So that Democrat wasn’t trying to say Bush stole the election, Jason?

      Good to know.

    313. Wes says:

      Now I know you’re lying, Jason. Pretending you never saw or heard Trump claim to win the election in a landslide just proves you’re no longer worth arguing with.

    314. Tgca says:

      Wes

      2000 was not anything like 2020.

      2000 was all about Gore recounting selected Dem counties only in hopes of getting the desired votes to prevail. He never alleged illegalities and fraud like we saw in 2020.

      The FL supremes, nearly all Dems but 1 I believe said NO to certain Gore requests but allowed some others like under vs over counts. By that time, there was not enough time to recount the entire state. That is what SCOTUS based its decision on, noting that the FL supremes requirement basically ran the clock out in time of certifying deadlines and violating equal clause.

      SCOTUS agreed 7-2 that what FL supremes did would violate voting equality and create new law.

      There were no issues of illegal law changes in advance violating the constitution, or thousands of ballots, the majority coming in for one candidate late in the night or the next couple of days, or numerous affidavits filed by folks under penalty of perjury they witnesses fraud and significant anomalies.

      The Dems did try to count select counties only in the recount. They also tried to get the military ballots from overseas disqualified by saying they were late. They tried manipulating the “chads” to infer voter intent. They whined about the confusion of the ballot design approved by Dems in Dem counties which they suggested AA and Latinos were too stoopid to figure out even after I believe a 1st grade class did it correctly as an exercise that was widely publicized in the news.

      Data scientists and mathematicians at the time pretty much agreed because this was a simple recount issue and no claimed issues of fraud or voting machine irregularities that it was highly unlikely a full state recount would provide Gore a victory.

      Also, there were some claims by these professionals that it was probable GWB lost at least a few thousand votes from the GOP stronghold in the Pan Handle with a different time zone when the election was initially called for Gore before those polls closed. There were reports that people left lines after it was called for Gore because they realized it was over in FL. This is why later Congress called on the media not to call winners based on exit polls until each state’s polls were fully closed and that became the standard for years as the media had egg on their face from the erroneous early call before all FL polls were closed.

      Finally, there were, I believe 8 unofficial recounts done of the votes over many months by newspapers and watchers and GWB won all but 1 of them and none of the recounts had significant changes.

      So it was clearly not similar to 2020. It’s like comparing jaywalking to murder. Totally different set of facts and issues.

      The only fraud being claimed nationally was that Gore was cheated because he won the popular vote which is silly because it’s the EC votes thats count in the end or that SCOTUS decided the election which also was false since 7 of the 9 justices agreed what FL supremes initially allowed was unconstitutional. It was the remedy that was a split 5-4 decision on whether to allow continued counting past the certification deadline.

      In the end, GWB still won on the unofficial recounts that lasted months.

    315. Tgca says:

      326

      Yes. Dems did claim GWB stole the election but it was based on them claiming Gore won the popular vote nationally or that SCOTUS biasedly favored GWB which is not the case since they decided 7 to 2 on the violations to the constitution. They only split on the remedy which really was to let’s keep on counting but they lost on the certification deadline issues under the law as the clock ran out.

      The Dems never seriously claimed it was massive fraud or provided any evidence and neither did Gore.

    316. Tgca says:

      325

      Correct! When roughly of 159M voted in 2020 and roughly 35% weighted believe the election is stolen – 70% GOP, 30% indys, 10% Dems, that’s about 56M who lost confidence in the voting.

      That’s enormous!

      With such consistently large portions still believing that 7 months later, you would think it’s in the best interest of the US to do forensic audits to try and satisfy those skeptical voters.

      But noooooo! People keep saying there’s no proof and ignore the numerous signs but also don’t want to look into it because they’re afraid what they might find.

      If the audits found Trump did indeed win probabilistically, we’d have a serious constitutional crisis never before seen without any trusted remedy that goes to the core of our country’s ability to survive as a nation.

    317. Tgca says:

      Now the EXPERT in all matters, except all matters gay, for which I defer to our resident Expert LisaB, will take a rest to make his pooch an organic homemade dinner of boiled chicken, rice, broccoli, pumpkin, flavored with a tad bit of extra Virgin olive oil.

      Woof!

      Woof = yummee in dog talk.

    318. jason says:

      Pretending you never saw or heard Trump claim to win the election”

      Zzzz…

      I said I didn’t see him say that.

      But it certainly wouldn’t make me believe or not believe in fraud.

      Completely irrelevant.

    319. jason says:

      So that Democrat wasn’t trying to say Bush stole the election, Jason?”

      So a Democrat said Bush stole the election.

      That means there is no fraud in 2020?

      Stop digging a hole for yourself, your are getting ridiculous.

    320. Bitterlaw says:

      I said I didn’t see him say that.

      He said it in the end zone at an Eagles game.

      Zing!

    321. Bitterlaw says:

      https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/elections/results-page/

      Philadelphia has only counted 1% of the votes in the DA race in an hour?!? Soros must be paying off alot of elections officials.

    322. jason says:

      York Co. runs out of Republican ballots”

    323. jason says:

      I said I didn’t see him say that.

      He said it in the end zone at an Eagles game.

      Zing!”

      Worst zing in HHR history?

      Bitter spends 250 hours watching woke messages and wants to compare that with me not seeing Trump’s statement?

    324. jason says:

      York Co

      PATRICK, PAULA
      10.21%
      490 Votes
      Election Day : 0
      Mail : 490
      Provisional : 0
      BROBSON, KEVIN
      72.80%
      3,492 Votes
      Election Day : 0
      Mail : 3492
      Provisional : 0
      MCCULLOUGH, PATRICIA A
      16.99%
      815 Votes

    325. Bitterlaw says:

      There are two seats available. Judges are elected to 10-year terms and earn $186,665 per year.

      The judges make that in York?!? Oh. It is set by state statute. It is the same in Philadelphia.

    326. Bitterlaw says:

      Bitter spends 250 hours watching woke messages and wants to compare that with me not seeing Trump’s statement?

      I should have known that jason’s “fair offer” would not last. I never should have called that press conference.

      https://www.sundaypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2018/09/5baf82d5f3228-e1538230735554.jpg

    327. jason says:

      PA SOS has a lot of weird results.

      Prop 1 Yes is winning big in Allegheny Co but losing big in York.

      Don’t think so.

    328. jason says:

      I should have known that jason’s “fair offer” would not last. I never should have called that press conference.”

      I didn’t call you woke.

      But in any case you started it.

      “He said it in the end zone at an Eagles game”

    329. jason says:

      I guess you forgot the part about not mocking those that oppose woke culture?

      But I will give you a pass.

    330. Bitterlaw says:

      The Zing meant it was a joke. At me and not at you. We should just go back to fighting.

    331. Bitterlaw says:

      I guess you forgot the part about not mocking those that oppose woke culture?

      I guess that you and Wes arguing over election fraud was really about woke culture? Seriously?

    332. jason says:

      The Dem VBM vote is massive.

      Phil is right, Rs are screwed in PA unless it is reversed, but of course it won’t be.

      Dem
      Montco
      Mail 75214

      Republican
      Mail 15880

    333. jason says:

      The Zing meant it was a joke. At me and not at you.”

      Missed that.

    334. Bitterlaw says:

      I expect that many of those VBM in Montco are by older people or those still afraid to go outside. It was an off year primary but I noticed that the few voters I saw today were younger or people I know are Republicans.

    335. Wes says:

      jason says:
      May 18, 2021 at 8:59 pm
      So that Democrat wasn’t trying to say Bush stole the election, Jason?”

      So a Democrat said Bush stole the election.

      That means there is no fraud in 2020?

      Stop digging a hole for yourself, your are getting ridiculous.

      How stupid can a person be?

      Pretty goddamn stupid going by what Jason says. I never claimed there was no fraud in 2020 because a Democrat said there was fraud in Florida. I said the people who claim Biden stole the election sound like Al Gore’s supporters.

      Tgca lied and said Democrats didn’t allege fraud in 2000. I pointed out I had posted a link discussing a lawsuit where a Democrat did allege fraud.

      Jason said that was a Democrat but not Gore’s campaign. Fair enough, but a Democrat nonetheless alleged fraud in 2000.

      Somehow in Jason’s mind, by pointing out a Democrat alleged fraud in Florida in 2000, I was using that to say there was no fraud in 2020.

      Of course if Jason actually had the mental capacity to read and comprehend my posts he would know why I’ve stated my points for why I don’t think there was fraud on a level sufficient to change the outcome from a legitimate one to an illegitimate one.

      I used the example of the lawsuit filed in Florida in 2000 just to point Democrats actually did allege fraud that year. That of course was the point I was making to rebut the lie Jason and Tgca told that Democrats didn’t allege fraud in the 2000 election.

    336. Gordon Allen says:

      The Democrats have fought like their lives depended on it EVERY attempt at forensic audits.
      Because their political lives do.
      To compare 2000 to 2020 is so out there beyond the ability of words to describe.

    337. jason says:

      Somehow in Jason’s mind, by pointing out a Democrat alleged fraud in Florida in 2000, I was using that to say there was no fraud in 2020.”

      Finally, wes admits there was fraud in 2020?

      Baby steps, baby steps.

      Now all he has to admit if there was fraud, certainly 42k votes in 3 states is not above the MOF.

    338. jason says:

      but a Democrat nonetheless alleged fraud in 2000″

      Wow. “A” Democrat.

      Compare that with 75% of Rs alleging fraud in 2020.

    339. jason says:

      To compare 2000 to 2020 is so out there beyond the ability of words to describe”

      I guess it is the best wes can do…

    340. jason says:

      I expect that many of those VBM in Montco are by older people or those still afraid to go outside.”

      Maybe.

      The point is that nothing has changed to counter the fraud dynamics.

      The entire fraud system is still in place.

      Nobody knows who is filling in these VBM ballots, if they are valid ballots, or who is counting them.

    341. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason – GFY*

      *I just missed saying it during the truce.

    342. jason says:

      My endorsement really helped Brobson, especially in York Co.

      Brobson 28000
      Mccullough 9000
      Patrick 4000
      Dem 18000

      Bitter said where they are from is a bad way to pick justices?

      Brobson is from Dauphin Co., he got 87% of the vote there. Dauphin voters say GFY to Bitter.

      Also, as I predicted all the propositions passed.

    343. Bitterlaw says:

      Bitter said where they are from is a bad way to pick justices?

      Another joke that jason did not get. I was just making fun of geography as a basis to select candidates because his beloved York gave us Governor Wolf. I guess I will now have to post (joke) after posts for jason’s benefit. I remain hilarious but jason is clearly slipping.

    344. Bitterlaw says:

      In Philadelphia, George Soros’ puppet, Larry Krasner, won the nomination and basically the General Election by 2-1 over Carlos Vega. I don’t know if there are any betting sites on annual murders in a city but if there are, bet 500+ for Philadelphia.

    345. jason says:

      Bitter said where they are from is a bad way to pick justices?”

      Huh, that was a joke too.

      You notice it was together with my other joke that my endorsement helped Brobson.

      I guess we need an A-hole meeting to clarify the joke policy.

    346. jason says:

      Dow is down 500 after China and Musk torpedoed bitcoin.

      Bunu on suicide watch.

    347. jason says:

      The worst candidate for Harrisburg mayor won by 60 votes.

      Bet the over on murders in Harrisburg too.

    348. jason says:

      A group of alumni asked the University of Nevada-Reno to install a statue of alumnus, football star, and activist Colin Kaepernick. ”

      Normal

    349. Bitterlaw says:

      Outside the capital area, Harrisburg is a bad area. It is also a pretty small population. I think about 30,000.

    350. Bitterlaw says:

      Oops. 49,000.

    351. jason says:

      Inside the Capital area is a good area?

      Who knew?

    352. Tgca says:

      357

      I don’t believe Bitter is joking. He said what he said so he must mean it and he needs to man up to it.

      We all know what he meant. Stop lying! You were not kidding. People don’t kid about those things. It’s repulsive what you meant!

      I will never forget or forgive what Bitter claimed was a joke. NEVER!!!

    353. Bitterlaw says:

      It’s a good area in those few blocks.

    354. jason says:

      “Two lawmakers involved in shoot-out with robbers near Capitol

      Two Democratic state lawmakers escaped harm Tuesday night when one of them engaged in a shootout with a would-be robber on a street four blocks from the Capitol, officials said

      Confronted by a gunman just blocks from the state Capitol on Tuesday night, a Democratic legislator from Northeastern Pennsylvania pulled his own weapon and traded fire with a would-be robber.

      No one was hurt in the shootout, and police arrested four teens and charged them for their roles in the attempted street robbery.”

    355. jason says:

      This was 2014 but the area around the Capitol is still dangerous.

    356. Tgca says:

      Wes says because one Democrat complained of fraud in 2000, therefore, fraud was an issue in the 2000 election similar to what’s asserted in 2020. Wes insinuates the losing party always claims fraud in elections.

      Well, I did hear that a Tory claimed the 1788 election of George Washington was fraudulent too because it made no sense he got 100% of the vote. This seems like a reasonable claim because it is highly unlikely to get 100%. I am only aware of two cases of 100% election results and that was Saddam Hussein and Kim Jong-un in their latter elections.

      Clearly, this Tory fraud claim calls into the legitimacy of George Washington’s presidency.

    357. Tgca says:

      369

      I was staying in DC back at that time, maybe 2013 at a hearing and decided to go for an extended walking tour and found myself in a not so nice neighborhood not far from the Capitol where I clearly did not fit in. I recall being stared down and realized I needed to get out soon or probably risk a confrontation. It was a real chithole place. Feel sorry for folks who have to live like that.

      I think I was lucky because of my intimidating presence and demeanor held those starers at bay but I realized I had real risk there and now I know what it feels like for minorities to walk through some places too, like Radnor.

    358. Tgca says:

      Interesting article whether it’s totally true or not.

      I do believe that the future of wars could be biological rather than hardware. As I noted last year, if US enemies are looking for a way to bring America to its knees, start a pandemic and watch US politicians eat each other alive and destroy our way of life, as that will do more damage then flying planes into buildings in this day and age.

      China is playing the long game here and is being assisted by major global companies who no longer have allegiance by borders but instead to markets where they can grow earnings and wealth at any cost while turning their head to the practices of the gubbermints where they market their products.

      I still find it hard to believe China was totally innocent in this Covid outbreak. I would not put it past them to sacrifice millions of their own to achieve dominance.

      They are and have been the biggest threat to the US the last 20 years, not Russia…and the US is doing little to counteract that threat.

      https://summit.news/2021/05/19/video-communist-chinese-professor-declares-that-u-s-was-defeated-in-biological-war-with-china/

    359. jason says:

      Hamas started firing rockets into Israel, which responded with airstrikes.

      Now Hamas said it won’t stop firing rockets unless Israel stops airstrikes.

    360. Bitterlaw says:

      What I said:

      It’s a good area in those few blocks.

      What jason posted from 2014:

      Confronted by a gunman just blocks from the state Capitol on Tuesday night

      Obviously, the lawmakers were at least several feet from the few good blocks.*

      *That was a joke. My perception of good blocks is obviously tempered by comparing what I deem acceptable risk in Philadelphia as opposed to what jason perceives as acceptable risk compared to York. My son lived in houses for three years in North Philadelphia without incident. Jason would not have been able to sleep without a gun on his night stand and one under his pillow. I have walked through sketchy areas because I really don’t care.

    361. jason says:

      Bitter is right. It is all relative.

      Harrisburg is dangerous, especially at night, even around the Capitol.

      Maybe it is less dangerous than Philly.

    362. jason says:

      Jews are being attacked in Los Angeles by Palestinians who seek them out and beat them up”

      Normal.

    363. jason says:

      AFL-CIO conservatives hardest hit:

      “BERLIN (Reuters) – Trade must be at the centre of a reset in transatlantic ties, and a large free trade area encompassing the United States and the European Union should be a goal, the leader of Germany’s Christian Democrats (CDU) said on Wednesday.

      Former U.S. President Donald Trump halted talks on a proposed trade agreement between the EU and the United States, the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), and initiated a trade conflict with the EU.

      Armin Laschet, who is the CDU’s candidate for chancellor at federal elections in September, said now was the time to renew the transatlantic relationship.

      “Europe’s place is at the side of the USA, is at the side of Canada,” he said in a speech on foreign and security policy to the Konrad Adenauer Stiftung, a political foundation associated with his CDU party.

      “And we need a revival with new themes, with a new dynamic of the transatlantic relationship. And this will revolve around trade issues – a large free trade area as an ambition, but also a common climate foreign policy,” he added.

    364. NYCmike says:

      jason posts that Berlin article while Biden is set to get rid of sanctions on the Nordstream II pipeline, direct from Russia to Germany. This will endanger ALL of NATO, as Putin will have a shut-off valve at all times.

      jason silent on that “free trade”.

      Those “talks” are a good idea…..unfortunately, the actual actions going on are a real danger, and the United States will end up being the one having to save these idiotic Europeans ONCE AGAIN.

    365. NYCmike says:

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9591775/Pentagon-trawl-military-personnels-social-media-extremist-activity.html

      -“CG” smiles as the Biden Administration asks “What have you written online, soldier?”.

      Woke Bitterlaw says soldiers have certain restrictions on their 1st Amendment rights, I see no problem with this.

    366. jason says:

      .unfortunately, the actual actions going on are a real danger”

      NYC is concerned there is a real “danger” there could be free trade.

    367. jason says:

      This will endanger ALL of NATO, as Putin will have a shut-off valve at all times.”

      Translation: NYC has been listening too much to Trump’s idiotic protectionist and isolationist drivel, still doesn’t understand what the purpose of NATO is.

    368. jason says:

      Woke Bitterlaw”

      Bitter should try to expand his truce horizons…

    369. jason says:

      The Biden Troll will probably be here soon to explain that it is ok for Jews to be beaten up on the streets of LA if it is for the “cause”.

    370. jason says:

      jason silent on that “free trade”.

      I am glad NYC put “free trade” in quotes, since this has nothing to do with “free trade”.

    371. NYCmike says:

      jason – please clarify – did you just say that a Russian pipeline to Germany is GOOD for NATO?

    372. NYCmike says:

      “I am glad NYC put “free trade” in quotes, since this has nothing to do with “free trade”.”

      -Germany making an agreement with Russia for energy has “nothing to do with “free trade””?

      Huh?

    373. NYCmike says:

      I guess I’ll give jason some extra time to get his backhoe gassed up, so he can commence his digging.

    374. Bitterlaw says:

      Woke Bitterlaw says soldiers have certain restrictions on their 1st Amendment rights, I see no problem with this.

      NYC – I will ask my brother-in-law, a retired Army Colonel who spent 25 years in JAG as both a prosecuting and defense attorney, about restrictions on the First Amendment rights of military personnel. Also, jason took me off the Woke List. GFY.

    375. Bitterlaw says:

      Before you accuse me of supporting Biden, I have no doubt that he is going far beyond what is acceptable regarding the First Amendment rights of military personnel.

    376. lisab says:

      if a soldier is posting on muslim extremist sites about killing israelis, we would probably want to know

      military personnel have been watched for years, the only difference is that now social media sites are popular so it gives soldiers the ability to post bad stuff

      the big difference with biden’s administration is that “bad stuff” probably means strictly political stuff

    377. lisab says:

      just fyi, even in the peace corps you are told if you say anything controversial, you can be discharged.

      mostly that is a warning about discussing drugs.

      it used to be, you did not even have to take drugs to be discharged, you only had to be rumoured to take drugs and you were on the pan-am flight home, as they used to call it.

    378. Tgca says:

      These are the statues we need to replace Washington, Lincoln, etc. because it reflects more diversity.

      https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/disturbing-statue-in-amsterdam/

    379. NYCmike says:

      lisab,

      The guy from the “Space Force” was let go, according to him, for saying that CRT is marxist and should not be used in the US military. I have not read any evidence to dispute his account.

    380. jaichind says:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfe6d6MzeLM

      Comparison of PRC, Russia and USA military recruitment ads. Very disturbing.

    381. lisab says:

      The guy from the “Space Force” was let go, according to him, for saying that CRT is marxist and should not be used in the US military.
      ——————————–

      nyc,

      i think that is the biden position

      they will use public comments that should simply be classified as opinion or political speech as “hate speech”

    382. lisab says:

      this is why i don’t make public comments, on either side actually, as a teacher.

      someone will come after you. when you are a teacher you have ties throughout the community

      you cannot afford to become a target

    383. NYCmike says:

      “they will use public comments that should simply be classified as opinion or political speech as “hate speech””

      -Agreed that Biden/Harris admin will do this……please note: “CG” approves of this.

      Trump, the “fascist”, did not.

    384. NYCmike says:

      “this is why i don’t make public comments, on either side actually, as a teacher.”

      -Democracy dies in darkness…..or moves to Vietnam……I’m sure you’ll be safe there…..

    385. NYCmike says:

      “Before you accuse me of supporting Biden, I have no doubt that he is going far beyond what is acceptable regarding the First Amendment rights of military personnel.”

      -That is what I thought…..hopefully you will speak out against this as a candidate.

    386. NYCmike says:

      CD

    387. NYCmike says:

      I must say – It is truly amazing, albeit horrific, to watch the speed at which the Left moves when in power!

    388. jason says:

      jason – please clarify – did you just say that a Russian pipeline to Germany is GOOD for NATO?”

      Somebody tell NYC that Germany has been a member of NATO sine 1955.

      I would, but I don’t want to humiliate the poor bastard.

    389. jason says:

      -Germany making an agreement with Russia for energy has “nothing to do with “free trade””?

      Somebody explain to NYC what free trade means. He is very confused.

      This might help:

      “Free trade occurs when goods and services can be bought and sold between countries or sub-national regions without tariffs, quotas or other restrictions being applied.”

      or

      “international trade left to its natural course without tariffs, quotas, or other restrictions.”

    390. NYCmike says:

      “Somebody tell NYC that Germany has been a member of NATO sine 1955.”

      jason,

      Are you serious?

      That is my whole point. Germany will be relying on THE REASON FOR NATO to fulfill their energy needs…..you don’t see a security issue inherent in their decision?

    391. jason says:

      And btw, Biden didn’t lift opposition to the project or sanctions, actually more sanctions are being imposed on Russian companies and ships.

      He merely exempted a GERMAN company and its CEO from sanctions.

      https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/buffalo/ap-online/2021/05/19/germany-welcomes-us-sanctions-u-turn-on-russia-gas-pipeline

    392. NYCmike says:

      #404 – more mistakes from jason.

      Agreed, unfettered “free trade” is exactly Germany getting their energy from Russia, who can turn the spigot off at any time.

      That is exactly why theoretical “free trade” has to have a distinction from real-life FREE TRADE.

    393. jason says:

      you don’t see a security issue inherent in their decision?”

      Ask the Germans…

    394. NYCmike says:

      #406 – the pipeline from Russia to Germany is being given the go-ahead.

      That is a security issue, one which will affect, negatively, the power of NATO to be a unified force against Russian transgressions.

    395. jason says:

      who can turn the spigot off at any time”

      LOL

      NYC thinks that is free trade.

      I love it here.

    396. NYCmike says:

      “Ask the Germans…”

      -Got it.

      Germany is allowed to disband NATO, but Trump isn’t even allowed to say bad words about it.

    397. jason says:

      the pipeline from Russia to Germany is being given the go-ahead.”

      It was going ahead anyway, neither Trump or Biden could stop it.

      “I think the German government’s position is right, that it has granted the project all its permits,” Laschet said Wednesday at a discussion event on foreign policy. “’It can’t happen’ isn’t a foreign policy response, because it is happening,” he said.

    398. jason says:

      Germany is allowed to disband NATO”

      LOL

    399. NYCmike says:

      “NYC thinks that is free trade.”

      -Real life free trade is exactly that. That is why a nation, especially OUR nation, should have limits on free trade with certain countries.

      If China manufactures items we need for vaccines and life-saving drugs, and we go to war, they cut off that supply.

      You have no issue with that, since you don’t allow any exceptions to free trade.

    400. NYCmike says:

      2nd request:

      jason – please clarify – did you just say that a Russian pipeline to Germany is GOOD for NATO?”

    401. jason says:

      The US is still opposed to the pipeline and sanctions against Russia over the issue are increasing.

      But the fact is Germany is going ahead with the project despite the perceived security risks. Sanctions on this company and its CEO were not going to stop it. However, lifting these sanctions will improve relations with Germany.

      In any case, none of this has ANYTHING to do with free trade.

    402. jason says:

      You are still confused.

      :should have limits on free trade with certain countries:

      “Limits on free trade” is not free trade.

      If China manufactures items we need for vaccines and life-saving drugs, and we go to war, they cut off that supply.”

      Again, has nothing to do with free trade. We are free to buy these items or not.

      But you are right, war is bad for free trade. Another reason to oppose wars.

    403. jason says:

      did you just say that a Russian pipeline to Germany is GOOD for NATO?”

      I looked through the thread.

      I didn’t find that quote.

      Can you show it to me?

    404. jason says:

      If China manufactures items we need for vaccines and life-saving drugs, and we go to war, they cut off that supply.”

      NYC’s ignorance is astounding.

      What does this statement have to do with free trade.’

      As defined:

      “Free trade occurs when goods and services can be bought and sold between countries or sub-national regions without tariffs, quotas or other restrictions being applied.”

    405. lisab says:

      “this is why i don’t make public comments, on either side actually, as a teacher.”

      -Democracy dies in darkness…..or moves to Vietnam……I’m sure you’ll be safe there…..
      ————————————-

      i’m more like one of the french resistance fighters

      behind enemy lines, hiding

    406. lisab says:

      drinking wine, eating bread and cheese.

    407. Wes says:

      Chris Sununu will run against Maggie the Moonbat next year:

      https://insidesources.com/hes-running-gop-insiders-see-nhs-sununu-edging-toward-senate-bid/

      Predictit claims Sununu will be the frontrunner, although I’m sure Aaron Day is gearing up to keep her in the Senate.

      Don Bolduc–whose campaign skills sadly didn’t match his impressive biography last year–is running in the Senate primary already.

    408. jason says:

      “After being sentenced to 10 years in prison for a 23-count conviction for racketeering, fraud and other corruption charges, disgraced former Congressman Chaka Fattah was released from prison last July after about one year.

      But the icing on this crooked cake is that Fattah is collecting a taxpayer-funded pension. The estimated pension is at least $55,000 per year. Fattah is only 64 years old, so his estimated lifetime pension is $1 million.”

    409. jason says:

      Chris Sununu will run against Maggie the Moonbat next year”

      No wonder NYC is unhinged.

      This could be a serious threat to Chuck Schumer’s majority he fought so hard to achieve.

    410. jason says:

      Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot will grant interviews only to ‘Black or Brown journalists,’ local reporters say”

      Normal.

    411. Wes says:

      I know, Jason. Mikey was deadset on seeing Maggie the Moonbat beat Kelly Ayotte in 2016. Aaron Day just barely achieved that goal for him. Sununu has proved unbeatable against even the best Dems in the state and has rebuilt the party locally. His victory next year would ensure McConnell and Schumer change positions.

    412. jason says:

      If China manufactures items we need for vaccines and life-saving drugs, and we go to war, they cut off that supply.”

      If we buy a strategic mineral like copper from Chile, and a tsunami destroys the all the ports in Chile, our copper supply will be cut off.

      END THE FREE TRADE AGREEMENT WITH CHILE.

    413. jason says:

      his victory next year would ensure McConnell and Schumer change positions.”

      That won’t send any message, wes. Sorry.

    414. jason says:

      Ayotte was a RINO that had to go, she was once seen in an elevator with a Democrat. Hassan, who votes with the Dems 100% of the time is very happy to carry NYC’s message.

    415. lisab says:

      actually the usa and mexico have large copper mines, so if chile fails we will be fine

    416. Wes says:

      According to Mikey, Day ran because the GOP didn’t pass Obamacare repeal with Obama as President even though Ayotte voted for repeal.

      Let me get this straight. Day ran because Republicans couldn’t pass a bill Ayotte supported over Obama’s veto even though Ayotte voted for the bill. Naturally Hassan–who has never supported repeal–needed to replace her.

      Huh?

    417. NYCmike says:

      “According to Mikey, Day ran because the GOP didn’t pass Obamacare repeal with Obama as President even though Ayotte voted for repeal.”

      -No problem with your continued silliness in regard to the made-up support for Schumer, but this statement is an outright lie.

      I have never said why Day ran against Ayotte. In fact, other than Wes mentioning him on a daily basis, I didn’t really know who he was.

      I have stated I believed his ability to enter the race was a legal one, so I had no issue with it on that basis.

      Wes,

      Please stop lying to impress another person. It really makes you look childish.

    418. jason says:

      actually the usa and mexico have large copper mines, so if chile fails we will be fine”

      Yeah, but let’s end the free trade agmt with Chile in case there is tsunami in Chile, a volcanic eruption in the US and a strike in Mexico.

    419. jason says:

      Hey Bitter, do I get any points for being called “another person”.

      I know, prima facie probably no, but it was said with some condescension.

    420. jason says:

      No problem with your continued silliness in regard to the made-up support for Schumer,”

      Wow, NYC may be a moron, but he sure is modest.

      After all he has done here to help Chuck Schumer become majority leader.

      I mean, let’s give credit where it is due, his reticence to take credit for his efforts shows he is willing to share success with others.

    421. jason says:

      “I have never said why Day ran against Ayotte”

      We know you will support any deadender, so it wasn’t necessary.

    422. New York City says:

      According to Mikey, Day ran because the GOP didn’t pass Obamacare repeal with Obama as President even though Ayotte voted for repeal.”

      Look, if the GOP RINOS aren’t willing to do what I want 100% of the time, I am fine with a Dem senate that does what I want 0% of the time.

      No free lunch.

    423. Butterlaw says:

      Another person is too vague.

    424. Wes says:

      RRH is having a discussion about collegiate indoctrination of our youth and the attendant problems in modern society. In particular, our own GF is mentioning the differences between his time in college in the ’90s and recently.

      Thankfully when I was in college, the professors avoided indoctrination and encouraged independent thought among students. I wish those days would come back. We don’t need Berkeley and Howard to drag us into a modern-day version of 5th Century Rome.

    425. NYCmike says:

      “RRH is having a discussion about collegiate indoctrination of our youth and the attendant problems in modern society.”

      -How many of them are blaming it on Trump/conservative radio?

    426. Bitterlaw says:

      Walt said 5th Century Rome gets a bad rap. The Visigoths were not the worst barbarians he knew. He said Ghengis Khan was a douche.

    427. jason says:

      Bitter killed the thread.

      We all love Ghengis Khan.

    428. Wes says:

      Considering Genghis Khan is an ancestor of about half the world’s population, obviously someone loved him.

    429. Bitterlaw says:

      A future Khan is not beloved.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54

    430. Tgca says:

      Oh dear. This is different.

      Transgender AND Transager: 52 Year-Old Father Lives as a 6 Year-Old Girl

      https://www.mrctv.org/blog/52-year-old-father-lives-6-year-old-girl

    431. Phil says:

      Another institution destroyed.

      The left marches on.

    432. Bitterlaw says:

      Trangender and transage? I could dominate the paint like Joel Embid in the girls high school rec league. Or break an ankle.*

      *This was a joke. I am not condoning transanything. I have posted repeatedly genetic males playing in female sports will destroy the sports.

    433. Bitterlaw says:

      If elected, I will introduce the Transpancreas Bill to allow diabetics into the military. Insulin injections are really just hormone replacement therapy.*

      *Joke. The Marine policy change is absurd and destructive. However, I would introduce a Bill to end discrimination against diabetics joining the military.

    434. Bitterlaw says:

      HHR was more fun before jokes had to be tagged.

    435. jason says:

      GFY. Not a joke.

    436. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason- I understand that you have always resented being the 3rd or 4th A-hole (Mr. Vito might have slid in ahead of you). However, I have always treated you as equal to the Founding A-holes. In many ways, you are a bigger A-hole than I ever expected.

      GFY

    437. Bitterlaw says:

      Damn. This place is a ghost town when people stop fighting.

    438. NYCmike says:

      Bitterlaw,

      I would think the conversation I had yesterday with jason, wherein he had no issue with a NATO ally locking themselves into an energy source from Russia…….aka the reason why there is a NATO, would have brought about some discussion of foreign policy entanglements for the United States.

    439. Bitterlaw says:

      NYC – Maybe jason did not want to think. He is generally opposed to analysis. (that should stir things up)

    440. Bitterlaw says:

      I don’t know if Germany has much choice in where it gets its oil. It is dangerous to rely on Russia but I don’t know if other pipelines are available. We don’t get to decide the issue for them.

    441. NYCmike says:

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9571753/Former-FBI-director-Louis-Freeh-gave-100-000-private-trust-Joe-Bidens-grandchildren.html

      -Yup, as jason says – the FBI, like the CIA, like NATO, like the number of legal immigrants allowed every year – NONE of these things can ever be changed, altered, spoken badly about.

      That’s just brilliant!

      And NO, there is no such thing as a Deep State. The FBI just invests with certain families…..in return for a nice BBQ in Delaware every summer.

    442. NYCmike says:

      ” We don’t get to decide the issue for them.”

      -NATO is really doing a great job!

    443. NYCmike says:

      https://www.nysun.com/foreign/sea-change-israel-turns-democrats-toward-iran/91518/

      -“CG” still prefers Biden policy to Trump policy.

    444. Bitterlaw says:

      NATO is a military alliance. Are you saying it should determine OUR energy policies?

    445. NYCmike says:

      No.

      I am saying that the security argument the Trump administration made for 4 years against the pipeline was a valid one, and if nations who we have treaties with disagree with us and decide to go a different way, the United States needs to seriously re-evaluate the treaty/organization we are involved with.

    446. Bitterlaw says:

      if nations who we have treaties with disagree with us and decide to go a different way, the United States needs to seriously re-evaluate the treaty/organization we are involved with.

      So you want us to determine Germany’s energy policy. Got it.

      Maybe we should just dissolve NATO and start shipping oil across the Mediterranean to a port with a pipeline to Germany OR ship oil to Hamburg. I’m sure that Russia would never think to sink those ships if it was already prepared to cause a military crises by shutting off oil to Germany.

    447. NYCmike says:

      ” I’m sure that Russia would never think to sink those ships if it was already prepared to cause a military crises by shutting off oil to Germany.”

      -Bitterlaw,

      If Russia decides to act like they have in the past, and if history is to be a guide, that eventuality may end up happening anyway.

      I believe it would be better to set up that shipping in times of peace, along with a robust defense plan if hostilities were to occur and those lines were threatened. This would also take away a lot of hard currency that Russia would not receive for their oil, further strengthening the position of Europe, United States and NATO.

    448. County Dick Montana says:

      Bitter-Shutting off a pipeline or reducing the volume of product is “just business.” Sinking a ship with loss of life is piracy or an act of war. Russia doesn’t lose any subs or aircraft if they turn off the pump. They likely lose everything if they attack an ally.

      See how that works. Sure. I thought you would.

    449. Country Dick Montana says:

      I would also assume that our bases in Germany would also be served by that same Russian pipeline. Great strategy.

    450. NYCmike says:

      Country Dick comes back, and shows why the Steelers win more than the Eagles.

      Bitterlaw, if those are your true beliefs, I would look elsewhere for representation in your district.

    451. NYCmike says:

      https://fee.org/articles/how-washington-dc-carjacked-an-elderly-couple/

      -If this doesn’t make your blood boil……

    452. Bitterlaw says:

      Bitter-Shutting off a pipeline or reducing the volume of product is “just business.” Sinking a ship with loss of life is piracy or an act of war. Russia doesn’t lose any subs or aircraft if they turn off the pump. They likely lose everything if they attack an ally.

      See how that works. Sure. I thought you would.

      CDM – Shutting off the pipeline is essentially a blockade which is also an act of war. My point is that NYC thinks that the US should dictate the energy policies of NATO members. He thinks that we should tell Germany how to get its oil. He also is prepared to disband NATO because Trump did not like it.

    453. Bitterlaw says:

      Country Dick comes back, and shows why the Steelers win more than the Eagles.

      Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

    454. Bitterlaw says:

      Bitterlaw, if those are your true beliefs, I would look elsewhere for representation in your district.

      My true belief is that NATO is vital to peace in Europe. Trump seemed to not agree.

      As far as my possible campaign, I have already said that I do not want and will not accept any donations from HHR. If any are made, they will be returned. The haters, critics and doubters can suck it.

    455. NYCmike says:

      “He thinks that we should tell Germany how to get its oil. He also is prepared to disband NATO because Trump did not like it.”

      -Bitterlaw,

      You sound like a child.

      Germany has options. They are also part of a common market, if you have forgotten. The other countries also have an issue with Germany due to this deal, but they have no influence over the Germans, which is where we come in. Also, because of this pipeline, Ukraine will be put in more danger than it is already in, and it will also further isolate Poland, since Russia will gain more financial power, which then leads to better military power.

      As for NATO, if Germany and/or its people need to be threatened that they are on their own, and they may become an adversary, I see nothing wrong with letting them choke on that little nugget.

    456. NYCmike says:

      “My true belief is that NATO is vital to peace in Europe. Trump seemed to not agree.”

      -B*LLSH*T!

      That is the exact reason why Trump was against the pipeline….because it would endanger German independence, the European Union, and the NATO security area.

      Wow – lisab is getting more prescient with every comment you make!

    457. NYCmike says:

      “CDM – Shutting off the pipeline is essentially a blockade which is also an act of war.”

      -How ridiculous!

      A pipeline could be shut-off in normal times by an act of nature, any type of industrial accident, maintenance work excuse.

      For F*cks sake, all Putin would have to do is tell his hackers to hack their own pipeline, and act like they are doing everything in their power to get it up and running again.

      Putin: “My engineers are telling me it will take a month for full restoration, but I am insisting they cut that number in half.”

      Merkel: “Ok. We will “borrow” some from Poland, Belgium, Austria, Czech…….”

    458. Country Dick Montana says:

      Somebody has to fire the first shot. No one will shoot over a shutdown. Sinking a ship is the first shot. There is no sense in trying to argue with you if you can’t see the difference. Back to real life (which hasn’t changed much.)

    459. NYCmike says:

      “As far as my possible campaign, I have already said that I do not want and will not accept any donations from HHR. If any are made, they will be returned. The haters, critics and doubters can suck it.”

      -My comment had nothing to do with donations. It was a matter of simply desiring competent leadership for that district. Your comments in regard to this situation are as short-sighted as jasons from yesterday.

    460. Bitterlaw says:

      Lisab is a vicious and vindictive person. She is playing you and everybody else at HHR as fools if you buy her retyping you’re posts to pretend to agree with you. If you believe that a socialist representative of a teachers union is the reincarnation of John Locke then you are the fool she believes you to be. She already claimed that she does not share her true beliefs with her colleagues. That raises the classic cross-examination question- When were you lying? Then or now?

      If you want to rely upon her assessment of me, fine. That will relieve both of us from pretending to be friends.

    461. Bitterlaw says:

      CDM- I did not equate shutting down a pipeline with sinking a ship. My point is that NYC wants the US to dictate internal political decisions to a military ally. The alternative to a pipeline carries risks.

      By the way – GFY. And stop by more often.

    462. Country Dick Montana says:

      If our ally is basically using us as protection, which puts American lives and military at risk, then we have some say. I no more want to depend on Russian fuel than I want Chinese microchips in our military hardware.

      Mrs CDM is giving me the eye. I will drive bay another time.

    463. Gordon Allen says:

      Here are the military facts. Europe/Nato is not threatened by conventional assault by Russia, which is no way capable of a sustained conventional attack. People here assume this is the Old Red Army;it’s smaller than the US Army, and way smaller than Nato without the US.
      The issue is in the nuclear realm where, again contrary to common assumptions,Russia currently has the most modern, largest strategic nuclear capability in the world. Ours is very old, and are tactical nuclear ability limited.
      Nato does need our existing strategic nuclear umbrella, and the independent nuclear forces of France and the UK. Neither the latter two, or ours are located on or in Europe.
      Nato has little to no overseas power projection capability conventionally, although the British are developing a modest one as we speak.
      The notion that Nato is a major strategic factor in the world power calculus(other than the US) is nonsense. And economically is lagging behind the Pacific and Indo /Pacific region in growth prospects.Trump was right again, in seeing the declining importance of Nato on the world stage, and even as an economic factor.
      The pacific is where are resources should primarily go, and ironically that is something the Obama Administration and Trump Administration agreed on in their respective national security strategy papers.
      Let Angela Merkel and Europe lead the charge on “climate Change”,

    464. Bitterlaw says:

      the independent nuclear forces of France and the UK. Neither the latter two, or ours are located on or in Europe.

      France and the UK are not part of Europe? I haven’t heard since brilliant strategic insight since President Ford said “There is no Soviet dominance of Eastern Europe.”

    465. jason says:

      Bitter, Gordon is just another AFL-CIO conservative that has branched out into all out isolationism.

      To say NATO is not as major strategic factor in the world is one of the stupidest comments I ever read here, and the competition is fierce.

      I mean, yesterday NYC claimed the pipeline was about free trade, actually even more stupid, he said it was an argument against free trade.

      So for Gordon to top that he really had to go all out on stupidity.

    466. Bitterlaw says:

      I tried to give Gordon credit by thinking that maybe he meant that France and the UK keep their nuclear weapons at sea rather than keeping any on land. Nope. A very quick Google search confirmed that there are land based nuclear weapons in both countries.

    467. jason says:

      The AFL-CIO conservatives say “Asia is important” but don’t want to trade with China.

      Europe is not that important but we don’t want to trade with them either.

      The AFL-CIO conservatives don’t care about the pipeline, it’s just another excuse to promote protectionism and isolationism and to crap on the alliances that have served the US well for decades.

      Don’t be fooled. Smoke and mirrors.

    468. jason says:

      People here promoting the failed AFL-CIO agenda of the last 70 years want to make someone believe they are “concerned” about the pipeline?

      They don’t care about the pipeline. Because Trump threatened to pull out of NATO due to “everyone pay their share” BS, now the AFL-CIO conservatives want to jump on the destroy NATO bandwagon.

      Zzzzzz……

    469. Bitterlaw says:

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/penn-state-will-remove-gendered-binary-terms-like-freshman-and-upperclassman/ar-BB1gUpRr?ocid=BingNewsSearch

      One of my daughter’s friends is starting at Penn State in the fall and will study engineering. She is getting roasted by her friends because they they think changing terms like Freshman is stupid. She also thinks it is absurd.

    470. Wes says:

      Well, I guess Phil’s prediction that PA-Sen is a lock for the Dems may not be accurate. In his own internal, Fetterman leads both Republicans 48-38 while Lamb is stuck at 44 and 43 in potential matchups.

      That’s the best the Dems can do in an internal with a high proportion of college grads.

      I would hardly say Republicans are doomed in the Keystone State based on these results.

    471. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes – GFY. Didn’t you get the memo? We’re doomed because we’re doomed. Phil said so and his absolute predictions about Pennsylvania are perfect. Except for the biggest one.

    472. NYCmike says:

      “If you want to rely upon her assessment of me, fine. That will relieve both of us from pretending to be friends.”

      -Your comments about Russia lead me to re-think that lisab is correct about your ability to be a good representative for the district you live in. I am not relying on her assessment, I am seeing that there may be some credence to it.

      I did not realize our friendship was at stake if I thought a different candidate was better suited for that elected position. If that is the case, so be it. I can’t force people to realize how wonderful I am.

    473. NYCmike says:

      “People here promoting the failed AFL-CIO agenda of the last 70 years want to make someone believe they are “concerned” about the pipeline?”

      -Very often when jason rambles on lately, it makes me think of Biden and the phonograph.

    474. Bitterlaw says:

      I said Russia is a threat. You think the US has the right to dictate Germany’s energy policies. Your uncritical reliance on Trump to think for you is troubling.

      You are giving lisab too much credit. Her assessment of me is that I am a mentally ill failure at everything with no redeeming value. She has contempt for my profession. She said I am unqualified to be a teacher. If you are buying into her critique of me, you own all of that. Something changed in her to maker vindictive and vicious. She claims I need help but never misses a chance to insult and denigrate me.

      Lisab to make a dismissive comment and seek cheap applause from the HHR posters who don’t realize she is laughing at them in 3…2…1…

    475. Phil says:

      Fetterman up 10?

      Come on, Wes. That’s not exactly encouraging if you are a Republican in Pa.

    476. Bitterlaw says:

      Fetterman is a loon.

    477. Phil says:

      Tell me more about Fetterman. I know nothing about him.

    478. Bitterlaw says:

      Fetterman will do well with the tattooed biker crowd.

    479. Bitterlaw says:

      https://johnfetterman.com/

      He sells himself as a different kind of Democrat but is a flaming liberal. Think of AOC riding a motorcycle.

    480. Bitterlaw says:

      Fetterman wants climate justice against environmental racists. Seriously.

    481. Phil says:

      Just looked the guy up. Wow. I’d say bitter described the guy perfectly.

      My question. How on God’s geen earth did this guy get elected lLt governor? Pa must be more gone than even I even thought.

    482. Bitterlaw says:

      Phil – In 2018, the sitting Lt. Governor Mike Stack was mired in controversy. He and his wife were accused of being a-holes to their staff. Fetterman a small town mayor with tattoos and a motorcycle. There were 5 people running and he sold himself as a populist. In PA, nobody cares about the Lt. Governor. He benefitted.

      Despite your contempt, PA is not far gone. The GOP controls the legislature. You hate Toomey but he is better than all of his opponents. You don’t want live here. I can not think of a single reason to live in Texas. We’re good. I forget why Jason moved from Texas to PA.

    483. lisab says:

      climate justice

    484. lisab says:

      i meant … climate justice?

    485. Phil says:

      Hold on, bitter. I’m referring to your politics. Nothing to do with living there. My wife actually lived just outside Philly in the 70s with her late husband. She said she liked it fine

    486. lisab says:

      Her assessment of me is that I am a mentally ill failure at everything with no redeeming value.
      ———————-

      that is a lot of hyperbole, for example
      you are fairly tall if i remember correctly,

    487. Bitterlaw says:

      Was it Ardmore? Lower Merion? Ardmore is part of Lower Merion. LM borders Radnor.

    488. lisab says:

      She has contempt for my profession.
      —————

      not true, actually i have great respect for james otis, john adams, john quicy adams, jefferson, madison, jay etc.

    489. lisab says:

      She said I am unqualified to be a teacher.
      ——————-

      you are … unless you have an education degree/certificate of which we are unaware

    490. Bitterlaw says:

      Play your games. I don’t believe in redemption. You chose to destroy our HHR relationship. Others don’t see who you are but I do. Keep retyping their posts while laughing at them.

    491. Bitterlaw says:

      I know several lawyers who became teachers or adjunct professors. I need to find time to pursue it.

    492. Phil says:

      I can’t remember, bitter. She told me once and I posted it on here for MD five or six years ago. Her youngest daughter was born up there. I’ll ask her in the morning and get back to you on that.

    493. lisab says:

      Keep retyping their posts
      ————————-

      you keep writing that.

      the reason i often preface my posts with someone’s comment, is so people know which post i am referring to. it does not mean i agree or disagree, i do the same thing for both

    494. lisab says:

      anyone with a grad degree can become an adjunct professor

    495. Bitterlaw says:

      I am not talking about copying and pasting. You just pretend to agree with people while laughing at them. You can’t be a socialist teachers’ union rep AND a Classical Liberal. The contrast is too great. You claim you don’t share your true beliefs with teachers/union. Why should anybody believe your HHR act? When are you lying – at school or here?

    496. lisab says:

      if i laugh at someone, i do it openly, and have always done so

      you are just upset that i think you are unfit for high office

    497. lisab says:

      You can’t be a socialist teachers’ union rep AND a Classical Liberal.
      ———————-

      actually you can, when the two conflict i pretty much am a lockean first, utopian socialist second

    498. lisab says:

      in fact … not that you would know the difference

      but minnesota is a 50-50 nea/aft area

      i am a long-time aft person. it is pretty difficult dealing with nea people.

    499. Bitterlaw says:

      More games. Teachers’ unions are far left. That conflicts with your alleged Lockean beliefs.

      Your viciousness towards me goes beyond running for office. Everybody here has read it. Play your games.

    500. lisab says:

      Everybody here has read it.
      ———————————

      i think you are completely unfit for high office

      i think i have been pretty direct about it

    501. Bitterlaw says:

      https://www.air.tv/watch?v=H4DWO5XLTt-Zls8J70BckA

      https://www.aft.org/ae/spring2021/boyd_darragh

      Just a bunch of classical liberals like lisab.

      Your comments about me went far beyond running for office. You won’t admit it but even the people you have fooled at HHR know it.

    502. lisab says:

      Your comments about me went far beyond running for office.
      ——————-

      you do not have a record of success

      and

      you have often said if you had a gun you would shoot yourself

      which part is untrue?

    503. lisab says:

      however, as far as institutional racism in the usa is concerned

      yes, most teachers in the aft would say yes it has been and still is a problem

    504. Wes says:

      Phil, Fetterman is up 10 against two people with lower name ID in an INTERNAL POLL.

      Internals find the most favorable potential electorate possible for their candidates.

      That Fetterman is up by 10 and below 50% in his own poll tells me this is not a lock for the Dems.

    505. Gordon Allen says:

      The system in1997 was the USS Louisiana,the last Ohio Class( aka “Trident”) Submarine. Our last land based ( nuclear warhead)missile was built in 1977.FYI

    506. Wes says:

      The Mikey Maneuver strikes VA:

      The Constitution Party is fielding a full slate of candidates in November.

      https://www.wdbj7.com/2021/05/21/independents-and-third-party-candidates-line-up-for-november-election/

      Why Republicans are never as machiavellian as Democrats and don’t use the courts to eliminate these spoiler candidates I’ll never know.

    507. Gordon Allen says:

      my lengthy post was deleted. Shorthand for Bitterlaw. Read UK White paper on increasing the strategic nuclear warhead total from 220 to 260 by uploading additional ones on the Trident D5 missiles on their 4 ballistic missile submarines ,which represent its entire nuclear deterrent. France also has its strategic nuclear deterrent at sea as well having eliminated its land based missiles and nuclear equipped bombers.
      Both are solely national assets not under Nato control,or in receipt of a cent of EU or Nato funding
      The US probably has bombs for tactical delivery on a battlefield by tactical aircraft in England,but these are not capable of reaching Russia,and thus are not strategic.
      ALL ours are similarly at sea or based in the Continental US

    508. jason says:

      Have Gordon, NYC, and the rest of the HHR AFL-CIO conservatives joined in the letter yet?

      “Seven major groups representing steel producers and workers are urging President Biden to keep tariffs on foreign steel that former President Trump enacted intact.

      “The tariffs were necessitated by repeated surges in steel imports driven by global steel overcapacity that threatened our industry and the nearly two million jobs it supports,” the groups, which include the United Steelworkers, Steel Manufacturing Association and American Iron and Steel Institute, among others, wrote in a joint letter to Biden.

    509. jason says:

      The Mikey Maneuver strikes VA”

      NYC will be here soon to point out these are the “true conservatives” sending a message.

      The message is:

      Keep Chuck Schumer as majority leader.

    510. jason says:

      Yup, as jason says – the FBI, like the CIA, like NATO, like the number of legal immigrants allowed every year – NONE of these things can ever be changed,”

      What a blatant lie.

      I have said many times here I think LEGAL immigration should be increased.

    511. Meldrim says:

      Had Trump greenlit the Russia-Germany pipeline, the MSM would proclaim that he had sold out the Ukrainian people because of his “close relationship” with Putin. Biden does it? Crickets. The reason why Putin wants a pipeline going straight to Germany, bypassing Ukraine, is because now he can cut off natural gas to Ukraine in the middle of winter–perhaps right before he sends troops into Russian-speaking eastern Ukraine and reclaim them for Mother Russia–without it resulting in Germany getting cut off as well (so money from Germany won’t stop rolling in). I guess that Joe is upset that the Ukrainian government shut down Hunter’s do-nothing job for a Ukrainian company.

    512. Bitterlaw says:

      525 Zzzzzzzzzz Jason clearly does not understand that all Trump tariffs are perfect. If Biden keeps the tariff, it remains perfect. The fact that unions love the tariff is . . . squirrel!

    513. Tgca says:

      519

      Partially agree with LisaB, the Expert on all things gay.

      Success is relative so I’m not commenting on that part of her post but someone’ who repeatedly, not once, but repeatedly suggests they would take their own life if they had the opportunity, raises concerns that such a person should not be in a position of leadership and influence there should be concern about the suitability of that person’s fit for any position in the private or public sector that could impact other employees.

      I could not imagine any company would even consider hiring someone who feels that way because they have to consider the safety of all its employees and the legal ramifications of that person behaving in an extreme manner inside or outside work and how that impacts other employees.

      I know many larger companies often check social media as part of their hiring practices, and I would bet almost with certainty, if HR came across such posts that such a candidate would not be hired and flagged for future risk as well.

      It’s one thing to have political views and post obnoxious views as many do under the premise of constitutionally protected speech. However, it is another thing to lead people to think one is suicidal and potentially a safety and legal risk to an employer and impact the health and well-being of all its employees, and that should not matter whether it’s in the private or public sector.

    514. Bitterlaw says:

      Success is relative so I’m not commenting on that part of her post but someone’ who repeatedly, not once, but repeatedly suggests they would take their own life if they had the opportunity, raises concerns that such a person should not be in a position of leadership and influence there should be concern about the suitability of that person’s fit for any position in the private or public sector that could impact other employees.

      I’m still here. If I didn’t check out during the worst year of my life, I’m not going anywhere.

      I will now add Tgca to the list of Lisab’s sycophants.

    515. Tgca says:

      531

      I am not anyone’s sycophant here. I just partially agree with her statement.

      It has nothing to do with whether you’re here or not, it has to do with your state of mind. If you feel that way and post about it seriously, it would get unwelcome scrutiny for you in seeking employment opportunities.

      Now if it was a low period in your life that you were explaining and you’re passed that, then that’s another story.

      That’s just a fact!

      I have hired about 100 people in my career but if I became aware of similar posts, I would have an obligation to act, and I could tell you right how, you would not get a job offer and be flagged for future employment consideration as an extreme risk in most places.

      I suspect voters would feel that way too.

    516. Bitterlaw says:

      https://www.aft.org/

      The Classical Liberal is a Union Representative for the AFT. Let that sink in.

    517. Bitterlaw says:

      I suspect voters would feel that way too.

      Stop right there. Lisab is going to deliver all of my posts to the Democrats and MSM. You are not going to steal her glory.

    518. Wes says:

      Nine members of Congress have committed suicide. I think you guys should lay off Bitter. He’s actually avoided doing what others have done.

    519. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes- It is truly heartwarming the way that lisab has expressed so much concern for my mental health by reminding me I am a failure.

    520. Tgca says:

      535. Wes

      I don’t know what circumstances those CongressCritters took their lives but that is irrelevant.

      The point is most people would not want to vote for someone they perceive is a risk to themselves.

      Why vote for someone who wants to eat a bullet and not finish their term? It makes no sense.

    521. Tgca says:

      536

      I do not think you’re a failure. By most comparisons of US adults, with a graduate degree, you would be deemed successful.

      But again, success a relative so if everyone around you is a multi-millionaire then I could see how you view yourself not being successful.

      I look to the the Mother Theresa model for success. She gave up a privileged life to spend decades in poverty helping others and making a difference.

      I think she is a greater success than all these billionaires in the right place at the right time.

    522. Bitterlaw says:

      An opponent asking about my prior gloom would be a gift.

      Candidate Bitterlaw, isn’t it tru that you posted at a tiny blog that you did not want to live anymore?

      Yes, I did. If you did your research thoroughly, you would also know that I oppose the designated hitter in baseball. As to your question, there have been very dark times in my life. I am fortunate that I was always able to pull back from the abyss. But not everybody does pull back. My niece did not. Which is why on my first day in Congress I will introduce a bill that increases funds to public and private organizations that work to save others from themselves.

    523. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Anthony Bouchard, the Wyoming State Senator challenging Liz Cheney, just admitted to impregnating a 14-year old at the age of 18. Trump’s endorsement calculus should just have become a little easier, although Bouchard is promising to continue his candidacy.

      It gets weirder. They got married when she was fifteen, divorced three years later, and she killed herself when she was 20.

    524. Bitterlaw says:

      540 Lisab to say he is more qualified to run Congress than I am in 3…2…1…

    525. Tgca says:

      539. Bitter

      As I said previously, people acknowledge difficult times in someone’s life and that they got through it but that’s different then someone who continues to tell folks they could care less about living and would welcome death.

      That is not a message to resonate with voters or most people.

      So if your point is your past all that talk, then that’s great and I think it’s moot but if you continue to voice your previous statements I think it is a legitimate concern LisaB brings up about being fit for office.

      That is my EXPERT guidance to you.

      Now “bless your heart and you have a nice day.”

    526. jason says:

      Wow. Tulsi has cojones.

      “Former Hawaii congresswoman and 2020 presidential hopeful Tulsi Gabbard slammed Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot on Friday and demanded her resignation after she instituted a policy granting interviews only to journalists of color.

      Lightfoot confirmed the move Wednesday, saying the one-on-one interviews that mark the two-year anniversary of her inauguration will be offered only to reporters of color. She suggested Chicago-area news outlets are predominately white and that coverage of her administration has been adversely affected.

      “Mayor Lightfoot’s blatant anti-white racism is abhorrent,” Gabbard wrote. “I call upon President Biden, Kamala Harris, and other leaders of our county—of all races—to join me in calling for Mayor Lightfoot’s resignation. Our leaders must condemn all racism, including anti-white.”

    527. Bitterlaw says:

      I am still going to walk or drive through bad neighborhoods unarmed if it is the quickest route.

      I do not know your story on the issue. There is no getting through a young person’s death. It is relentless. It is there every day.. I know you lost your brother. If you “got through” that then you are a better and stronger person than I am.

    528. jason says:

      25 Zzzzzzzzzz Jason clearly does not understand that all Trump tariffs are perfect. If Biden keeps the tariff, it remains perfect. The fact that unions love the tariff is . . . squirrel!”

      Bitter is right.

      I keep forgetting that the stupid Trump tariffs and the Trump stupid trade wars are better and much more special than the regular AFL-CIO agenda stupid tariffs and stupid trade wars.

      Mea culpa.

    529. jason says:

      about some discussion of foreign policy entanglements for the United States”

      NATO is now an “entanglement”?

      You can’t make this sh-t up.

    530. Tgca says:

      543

      Cajones! REALLY?

      Jadon’s expression that a women shows fortitude through a patriarchal obsession with male genitalia to characterize strength using terms like “cajones” is an example of the male unconscious bias and systemic oppression against women that continues to persist in society today.

      Why does Jadon not use a more gender neutral or female gender affirmation term to acknowledge Tulsi’s personal strength and grit in her willingness to take on an issue that is not popular.

      Describing her behavior in widely accepted male dominant terms that emulate male genitalia diminishes her gender capabilities, as if she can only exude strength by behaving like a man.

      This is deeply offensive and insulting to women.

      Why does Jadon not say Tulsi has coño instead of cajones?

      This shows we still have a long way to go at HHR, especially with our Latin male posters from countries where there is a long history of chauvinism.

    531. Tgca says:

      544

      This is not about your niece. It’s about you and how you claim you value your existence. If you don’t value yourself enough to desire to live, why should voters value you as a candidate? How can they be assured you’ll be there to stick it out for them and not waste their support or vote?

      Many of your posts on this topic were before your nieces passing so you can’t say it was a result of her even though we know that had recently greatly impacted you.

      Again, I am not saying people need to just get over the loss of a loved one but it is human nature to adapt and continue in life in spite of great loss and tragedy. The vast majority of people in the world have lost a loved one at one time or another and they adapt to it and continue life. Most people in poor urban areas have lost loved ones to violence or experienced other tragedies as well but they learn to live forward.

      A society cannot dwell on loss alone which keeps it from succeeding forward. Loss is sad and can greatly change people but if it becomes the focus of one’s continued existence then that is a problem and we could not function as a society or species if we let loss take over completely.

    532. lisab says:

      It is truly heartwarming the way that lisab has expressed so much concern for my mental health by reminding me I am a failure.
      ———————————-

      we don’t gloss stuff like suicidal thoughts over

      and we don’t encourage people that have no record of success that they should do something even more outside of their abilities

      i would not tell you to pursue a career as a rock star either

    533. lisab says:

      not once, but repeatedly suggests they would take their own life if they had the opportunity, raises concerns that such a person should not be in a position of leadership and influence there should be concern about the suitability of that person’s fit for any position in the private or public sector that could impact other employees.
      —————

      exactly … or in this case impact our country

      he is completely unfit

      although … in addition … i would add he has no record of success, so he is also not qualified

    534. NYCmike says:

      “you are … unless you have an education degree/certificate of which we are unaware”

      -An education degree/certificate is the device by which the union/marxists attain control of a curriculum and threaten the independence of this country.

    535. lisab says:

      An education degree/certificate is the device by which the union/marxists attain control of a curriculum and threaten the independence of this country.
      —————————–
      well … in between classes on marxist theory and collectivism …

      they actually teach you how to teach children

    536. NYCmike says:

      “Wow. Tulsi has cojones.”

      -As usual, the A-hole figures something out 1-2 years after I did. Gabbard was the best choice of the Democrats running in that primary, and I said she had guts back then. jason mocked that suggestion.

      Of course, I would have voted for Trump over Gabbard, but if Tulsi had been the choice for the Democrats, I doubt she would have done 90% of the actions which Biden has undertaken.

    537. NYCmike says:

      “they actually teach you how to teach children”

      -I would use the word “indoctrinate” instead of “teach”, as the last thing the union wants is independent thought.

    538. NYCmike says:

      Sorry, let me clarify – they do teach you how to “indoctrinate” children.

    539. Bitterlaw says:

      Maybe lisab answered this question before but I do not recall.

      Are you fit and qualified to serve in Congress?

    540. Tgca says:

      LisaB

      I don’t know how you qualify success but many of the folks who’ve entered politics have had little to no previous success by societal standards so I do not concern myself with that aspect of being a candidate.

      Look at Bill Clinton. He had no successful career accomplishments to run on before he was elected into politics. Many others on both sides of the aisles have had similar success in politics without prior accomplishments to run on.

    541. NYCmike says:

      “NATO is now an “entanglement”?”

      -The Founding Fathers would most certainly look at NATO as an entanglement.

      Of course, they would simply continually question if the treaty is worth it……unlike you, who doesn’t allow any questioning at all……similar to those on the Left. So far, NATO still makes sense.

      IF, as several others have pointed out, when Russia turns off the gas to Ukraine, what does NATO/Europe/United States do about it?

      Allow Russia to begin to re-create the USSR?

      Is that good or bad for NATO/Europe/United States?

    542. lisab says:

      Are you fit and qualified to serve in Congress?
      —————————–

      well … i am not suicidal, and i have a record of success in helping those with special needs …

      which does not really put me at the top of the list for being a congresswoman …

      i suppose it would be within reason for me to run for school board

    543. NYCmike says:

      lisab is being a j*ck*ss towards Bitterlaw. I did not rely on her assessment of his qualifications, since foreign policy is not included in that assessment. BUT, after Bitterlaw’s opinions about energy policy between Russia, Germany, and the NATO umbrella, I am starting to concur with her opinion that there would be a better choice for that electoral district.

    544. lisab says:

      Look at Bill Clinton. He had no successful career accomplishments to run on before he was elected into politics.
      ——————–

      he was attorney-general, and before that a law professor

    545. NYCmike says:

      That said, I would choose Bitterlaw over any Democratic candidate, if he won the primary.

      And I would also gladly drink an egg creme with him on the shores of the Delaware River.

    546. lisab says:

      NYC and tgca,

      my assessment is NOT based on policy

      although i think bitterlaw clearly has shown contempt for trump supporters, but that is a gop issue …

      being suicidal makes him unfit

    547. lisab says:

      i would not deem him fit to drive a bus either

    548. lisab says:

      And I would also gladly drink an egg creme with him on the shores of the Delaware River.
      ————————–

      as long as you are aware that at any moment he might jump in, i suppose that would be ok

    549. NYCmike says:

      “as long as you are aware that at any moment he might jump in, i suppose that would be ok”

      -Point taken.

      Let me re-state this:

      I would gladly drink an egg creme with him in the House of Representatives dining room……..especially if he was the one picking up the tab…..then again, in the end, I would be paying no matter what!

    550. Tgca says:

      561. LisaB

      I included Clinton’s time as AG as an elected official in my statement to mean that he had no real success to run on before that election. Prior to that, he had a short stint as a college professor and that does not qualify as success anymore than being a manager in supply chain at a warehouse or a principal at a school or a bartender.

      I would argue that Bitter’s expertise in a long career as a specialized litigator is much more qualifying then someone like Clinton out of grad school securing a teaching role in their mid 20s with little to no life experience outside of their education.

      Many prosecutors run for office after a number of years litigating. Bitter has similar experience in his chosen area of law so again, I don’t see his work experience as a negative to his candidacy.

      However, his state of mind is a different matter if he still professes he is ambivalent about living and would be expressive of that during his candidacy. That I think is disqualifying as it suggests he does not have his constituents’ best interests at stake and may not opt to live out his term under the right circumstances. That is a problem!

      But if he says, he no longer feels or expresses it that way, then I’d be fine with his candidacy.

      For God’s sake, if he we have people like AOC qualifying based on experience, how can one say Bitter would not qualify based on his life experiences.

      Though I tease him, I have never considered Bitter a failure. Most people in this country have not attained a grad degree, been state licensed as a professional, and practiced in a specialty for decades. In his area of expertise, he is a success by society standards regardless of what he refers to himself and my knowledge of working professionals would estimate his annual income above, probably significantly above, the $100K mark which is upper middle class for an individual and that defines success.

    551. Tgca says:

      It’s really nice to know there are so many varied Experts on Bitter here.

      One day there will be competing biographies of his life.

      Mine will be titled the “From Bergen County Snob to Woke Metrosexual CongressCritter: The Life and Times of Bitter and his Legacy as Pelosi’s Lil’ Bish.” with a Forward by LisaB.

    552. NYCmike says:

      Bitterlaw,

      Admit it – that is a good title!

    553. lisab says:

      For God’s sake, if he we have people like AOC qualifying based on experience, how can one say Bitter would not qualify based on his life experiences.
      ————————-

      of course, now one could argue that AOC has one term-experience

      but, i would not have considered her qualified either

      just because one party elects an unqualified person, does not mean we should vote for other unqualified people and let them try to forrest gump their way through very serious problems

    554. Bitterlaw says:

      Bitterlaw,

      Admit it – that is a good title!

      I am done responding to Tgclown’s stupid posts about sweaters (I don’t own any), flowers shows ( I attended 2 with my wife over 30 years), my volunteering, my town, my family, and being a metrosexual (he doesn’t even know the deposition). It is tired and boring.

    555. Bitterlaw says:

      And I would also gladly drink an egg creme with him on the shores of the Delaware River.
      ————————–

      as long as you are aware that at any moment he might jump in, i suppose that would be ok

      The joke about me killing myself came from the person who claims I need mental help. Even suicide jokes are not low for our socialist union rep.

    556. CG says:

      Whether he is qualified or not or a good option for the district or not, Bitterlaw is NOT running for Congress in 2022. (He did do so once years ago.)

      Why are people pretending this might actually happen? It’s as real as the former HHR “government.”

    557. Bitterlaw says:

      well … i am not suicidal, and i have a record of success in helping those with special needs …

      I doubt that. You are a vicious person. You probably just wanted students that are so difficult to reach that nobody will notice you suck at it.

    558. Bitterlaw says:

      Bitterlaw is NOT running for Congress in 2022

      CG – Since you claim to know me so well, how many fingers am I holding up?

    559. CG says:

      You are saying “The Eagles are number one” just to piss off jason.

    560. Tgca says:

      570

      LisaB

      This would also apply to Ted Kennedy who had no accomplishments but had a senatorial seat held for him due to his father’s influence until he was old enough to run in 1962.

      He spent a short period of time working as ass’t DA, another political favor he was awarded and did not earn, as he waited a year to run for the 1962 Senate seat of his brother John and during this time he came under FBI scrutiny for inappropriate behavior and running with the wrong folks internationally in brothels and other seedy behavior, as well as cavorting with a reported Russian spy.

      So again, inexperience at the start of politics does not mean someone should not run for political office. The same could be said of Obama who did nothing of great accomplishment prior to running for state office.

      One could argue that Bitter had vastly more success and life experience than either Ted Kennedy or Obama when they entered politics.

    561. CG says:

      Do you people know who was truly unfit to hold any office?

      Donald Trump

    562. jason says:

      the Biden Troll thinks I still care about woke football.

    563. jason says:

      CG – Since you claim to know me so well, how many fingers am I holding up?”

      One.

    564. Tgca says:

      571

      Agreed! I have never been in a deposition on metrosexuality.

      All else is true.

    565. lisab says:

      This would also apply to Ted Kennedy who had no accomplishments but had a senatorial seat held for him due to his father’s influence until he was old enough to run in 1962.
      ————————-

      again, you should not be pointing out unqualified people and then saying that makes bitterlaw ok

      no, he is still unqualified.

      is it legal for him to run? sure. would it be good for the country? unlikely.

    566. jason says:

      The Biden Troll must think Biden is fit for office.

      Biden would not get a job as WM greeter if he applied for it.

    567. lisab says:

      Why are people pretending this might actually happen?
      ——————-

      you have read about the republican party right?

    568. CG says:

      He is smart enough to know he would not be nominated for Congress in that district, which is why he is not even remotely serious about running, although I am sure he likes the concept of running and serving, for noble reasons.

    569. Tgca says:

      578

      Yes! …and that’s why he is quite successful on many levels at getting things done for conservatives even though being attacked 24/7 by the MSM, Big Tech and Never Trumpers.

      …and why he has vast support in the GOP during and after leaving office more so than any GOP POTUS since Reagan.

      Trump’s influence on the GOP is unmatched in recent times. That hardly qualifies someone as unfit to most except the immature Never Trumpers who sold their souls to align themselves with the radical left.

    570. lisab says:

      He is smart enough to know he would not be nominated for Congress in that district, which is why he is not even remotely serious about running, although I am sure he likes the concept of running and serving, for noble reasons.
      ———————————-

      he loves attention and has a huge ego

      he will then talk about how he ran for office for the next twenty years

      so i think there is a good chance he will run for the nomination

    571. Tgca says:

      582

      By your standards LisaB, the vast majority of politicians would not be qualified the 1st time they run for office.

      Lincoln was not qualified by your standards. Neither was FDR or Reagan when they 1st sought political office.

      It’s a silly argument to state that one must be a success to run for office. A success at what’?

      I grant your argument on state of mind and concerns on behavior or beliefs, but not success requirements.

      You have yet to explain what experience Bitter lacks that is required to run for political office.

    572. CG says:

      He’s not going to run. The Democrat will almost certainly keep the district, but it is a very wealthy, suburban district, so there are actual other Republicans there.

      Anybody serious about running. who is not a multi-millionaire perhaps. would have already been raising money, hiring staff, getting their name out in the media, etc.

    573. NYCmike says:

      “Do you people know who was truly unfit to hold any office?

      Donald Trump”

      -Did more than both Bush Presidents in regard to world peace, which Biden is now pissing away……with the help of “CG”.

      Jewish people on the streets of NYC and Los Angeles are being openly attacked, and “CG” makes no mention of them, and why it is happening. He must not be able to see from up in the moral high ground.

    574. CG says:

      Lighten up on him though. Nobody told JulStol he wasn’t qualified to run for the School Board at age 20, and as a college dropout. People here encouraged him.

    575. lisab says:

      actually lincoln was quite accomplished

      so was reagan and fdr

      their first step was not national office

    576. CG says:

      Lincoln had a ton of political and business failings in his past, along with some mental health issues, that included suicidal thoughts.

      Then he served one term in the House and was elected President two years after losing a Senate election. He was the right man for the time though, as history has shown.

    577. lisab says:

      Nobody told JulStol he wasn’t qualified to run for the School Board
      —————————

      qualifications for school board are much lower than being a congressperson

      i’d be fine with him running for school board, i would not vote for him, but i would not think it a joke

    578. Bitterlaw says:

      he loves attention and has a huge ego

      The attention I get here is not the kind anybody would seek. Constant insults about me, my family, my mental health, etc. I know that there is no free lunch but it would be nice if somebody else was occasionally on the menu.

    579. CG says:

      Bitterlaw did run for Congress in the past as was nominated though. (I do not believe he had to face a primary.)

      So, that is one “resume thing” a lot of others do not have, although it was purely a sacrificial lamb race.

      He’s perfectly “qualified” to run and would likely approach the job more honorably than many others, both Democrat and Republican.

      But running for office at this point in his life, seems to be a bad idea for *him*, which is why he will not do so.

    580. lisab says:

      well, if i was a gambler,

      i’d bet you a dollar he will run for the nomination

    581. Bitterlaw says:

      i’d be fine with him running for school board, i would not vote for him, but i would not think it a joke

      Liar. You seriously think it would be ok for me to kill myself in that office but not Congress?

      I will take you seriously when you tell AFT that the 1619 Project and Critical Race Theory are bs and then resign from the union.

    582. Tgca says:

      592

      What were they accomplished in?

      Bitter has been a litigator for decades in a chosen field and I’m assuming his annual compensation is commensurate with other experienced litigators in practice that is generally higher than most working Americans so that is success in his chosen field.

      I have worked with many litigators in my field and all these corporate lawyers make in excess of $150K + bonus and other benefits putting their annual income over $200K+. They don’t keep those jobs if they’re perpetual losers.

      That is more than 95% of American workers. That defines success in most people’s minds.

      I don’t understand why you can’t acknowledge that Bitter is successful in his long career.

    583. CG says:

      R. Budd Dwyer had been successful.

    584. CG says:

      One of the best stories in American political history was when a young, completely unknown lawyer, with no money, Michael Patrick Flanagan ran as a Republican in 1994 and knocked off the legendary Dan Rostenkowsi, then Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee from Chicago in 1994.

      Of course, Flanagan got trounced by Blagojevich two years later.

    585. Bitterlaw says:

      Corporate lawyers are generally not litigators but earn more.

    586. CG says:

      Do you do trials and argue before juries?

    587. Bitterlaw says:

      Ironically, attorneys who handle corporate bankruptcies are very well paid by companies that claim they have no money.

    588. Bitterlaw says:

      Do you do trials and argue before juries?

      I used to. Workers compensation relies upon arguments to judges and written arguments.

    589. JulStol says:

      CG,

      I love that I live forever rent free in your head.

      I’m married with a little one on the way. Hope you’re doing just as well.

      Everyone, be nice to Bitter. I’m glad 2021 seems to be going better for him than did 2020.

      I recommend against running for office. You owe the public nothing (Q Anons on one side, anti-American Marxists on the other). You owe your family privacy.

    590. Tgca says:

      602

      I am talking about corporate lawyers who defend cases in gubbermint proceedings and cross examine witnesses on the stands, depose people, and are involved in discovery in cases that are highly specialized in the subject matter material. All my lawyers did this in the cases I was involved in.

      I am not talking civil or criminal law here.

    591. CG says:

      Best wishes JulStol, I was just pointing out the success you had in winning office and serving (at least before the media storm and resignation) that included something you were responsible for being part of an answer on Jeopardy

    592. JulStol says:

      CG,

      Cream soda all ’round as Bitter would say. Make mine diet though, as I’ve managed to maintain a healthy weight for the last 3 years & want to keep it that way.

    593. Tgca says:

      608

      Are you saying JulStol is INFAMOUS?

      Does infamy qualify as being successful?

    594. lisab says:

      Liar. You seriously think it would be ok for me to kill myself in that office but not Congress?
      ——————-

      i think you would be qualified

      i’d still say you were unfit. no one wants you to kill yourself in any position.

    595. CG says:

      Is Caitlyn Jenner “qualified” to be Governor of California?

      She does have a Kennedyeque driving past.

    596. JulStol says:

      TGCA,

      In the words of Fall Out Boy, Fame<Infamy.

    597. Meldrim says:

      #543, Jason, Mayor Lightfoot of Chicago should resign not only because she’s a racist, but also because she should get back to guarding the galaxy:

      https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1594870547540.png

    598. CG says:

      You all have no idea how much further left any replacement of Lightfoot would be if she resigned.

      She had a dumb PR disaster with the stunt with the media but she’s about as “conservative” as can be elected in Chicago.

    599. jason says:

      Bitter, the Biden Troll doesn’t think you should run.

      I would consider that your best endorsement to date.

    600. CG says:

      And how can she be “racist” if she is married to a white woman, right?

      She has a lot of faults as a public figure and deserves criticism for the reporter stunt but racist or Tucker Carlson calling her a “Nazi” is a bit much.

    601. Bitterlaw says:

      i’d still say you were unfit. no one wants you to kill yourself in any position.

      More lies. You made jokes about me killing myself.

    602. JulStol says:

      CG,

      It’s kind of like everyone on the right who demonizes Pelosi. Whomever comes next will make her look like Bill Bennett.

    603. CG says:

      Trying to get around the filter here…

      The teachers union and race activists hate Lightfoot far more than anyone. She’s likely worried about her left-fla,nk which led to this reporter brouh,aha. In two years, when she runs for reelection, she will probably get about 90 percent of any “conservative” vote in a runoff.

    604. Tgca says:

      611

      Ok. We’re making progess.

      LisaB acknowledges Bitter would be qualified to run as CongressCritter. That is all I wanted to hear.

      I understand her other concerns and whether he is fit for office based on the perceived state of his mind or beliefs.

      If Bitter no longer harbors those feelings or does not express them publicly, I see no reason to state he is fit to run for office.

      I would also state many politicians that have run for office have behaved in a manner that would make them unfit in their times.

      If a communist ran for office in 1960, most people would think that person be unfit for political life then.

      If a married man had a gay fling in 1950, most of America would consider him unfit for office then.

      If a divorced single woman in 1930 ran for office, most people would think she’d be unfit for office back then.

      Times change as to people’s views on what is and is not acceptable in public life, and we see both gays and communists and divorcees run for office these days

    605. CG says:

      And she’s been far more realistic and “conservative” on issues related to public employee pensions than Gov. Pritzker and has openly disagreed with him on those kind of matters.

    606. lisab says:

      Is Caitlyn Jenner “qualified” to be Governor of California?]
      ————————-

      to me? i would say mostly no

      i think she may be a self-made billionaire, so there is that. but she has — as far as i know — no experience running anything or in government.

    607. lisab says:

      LisaB acknowledges Bitter would be qualified to run as CongressCritter.
      ————————–

      no, he is completely unqualified to run for congress

    608. lisab says:

      If a communist ran for office in 1960, most people would think that person be unfit for political life then.
      ——————–

      i would almost certainly not agree with his politics either

      but that is completely different from being unqualified or unfit

      if a suicidal cpa wanted to do my taxes, they would be qualified

      if a successful state legislator wanted to run for us congress, they would be qualified, at least on paper …

      but i still might vote for their opponent based on their political positions.

      it is three different things, being

      fit,
      qualified,
      and/or
      politically aligned

    609. jason says:

      The Biden Troll is a shill for racist scum like Lightfoot?

      What a surprise.

    610. lisab says:

      If a married man had a gay fling in 1950, most of America would consider him unfit for office then.
      —————————

      most considered being gay a mental illness then

    611. lisab says:

      The Biden Troll is a shill for racist scum like Lightfoot?
      ———————

      he is correct i one respect, lightfoot is probably not the worst choice in chicago

      i haven’t lived there in 10 years, but illinois is a bad place for honest politicians

    612. jason says:

      “Yet the blanket racism remains arguably the worst and most terrifying aspect of this whole situation. In the name of balancing the racial scales, Lightfoot adopted a policy explicitly privileging people based on the color of their skin, rather than the content of their character.

      Lightfoot defended the explicitly racist policy by complaining that there are too many “White” people among the press.”

    613. lisab says:

      Lightfoot defended the explicitly racist policy by complaining that there are too many “White” people among the press.”
      ————————–

      that is becoming a mainstream position i some places

    614. Tgca says:

      LisaB

      You still have bot explicitly stated why Bitter or anyone without political experience is unqualified to be a CongressCritter.

      What makes a person qualified to run for political office?

      There is a difference of being unfit, e.g. mental or physical illness in which one could not perform duties vs political beliefs, prior experience, or other successes or failures in their personal lives.

      The latter 3 are not requirements to qualify for political office whereas, the 1st of the 4 is a qualification question due to the ability to perform the duties in office.

    615. lisab says:

      i don’t necessarily think it has to be political experience, although i am sure mccain had some exposure to politics as an officer,

      however, he had a solid record of achievement

    616. jason says:

      he is correct i one respect, lightfoot is probably not the worst choice in chicago”

      Sounds like the Stalin was worse than Hitler because he killed more people.

      I doubt anyone could be worse than Lightfoot, a rabid Marxist and racist to boot.

    617. Paul says:

      CG,
      I can remember watching them interviewing Flanagan in a local bar that night. He was as surprised as anyone. What happened to him?

    618. jason says:

      Bitter, I could use one for yard work and llama care, only $119 and my bday is coming up.

      “One day back in the NFL and Tim Tebow has the best-selling jersey in the NFL.

      The top five items on NFLShop.com are all Tebow’s No. 85 Jaguars jerseys. Tebow signed a one-year contract with the Jaguars on Thursday morning, making his conversion from quarterback to tight end complete.

      Men’s and women’s black Jaguars Tebow jerseys were listed for sale at $119.99 and held the top two spots in sales.”

    619. jason says:

      With the $920k he is making this year, he is finally over the $10 million mark playing football.

      I am happy he made it over that hurdle.

    620. CG says:

      After his one term in Congress, Flanagan stayed in Washington, opened a consulting business, and became very rich.

    621. CG says:

      I remember watching Flanagan’s victory speech on television. When he mentioned that he wished Rosty, who had already been indicted well, the crowd went into a 1994 version of “lock him up” and Flanagan pointed his finger at them and said “Hey, Nonna Dat.”

    622. Bitterlaw says:

      Glad to see everybody had a productive evening discussing my mental illness and unfitness to serve in Congress.

    623. Bitterlaw says:

      Tomorrow night is my daughter’s Senior Prom. She and her friends and their parents are gathering at one home before the Seniors leave for the dance. I will be in attendance.

      Tgca hardest hit.

    624. Wes says:

      Look at it this way, Bitter:

      Despite your frequent contemplation of suicide in the past, you’ve never actually tried to starve yourself to death as Tgca does.

    625. Bitterlaw says:

      When my season is over I will send the extra Ladies Small jersey to Tgca.

    626. Bitterlaw says:

      I did not contemplate suicide. I expressed a serious indifference to life. It’s not my fault Philadelphia’s bad neighborhoods were not as dangerous as I thought.

    627. Cash Cow TM says:

      The Windham NH “incident” about the 4 voting machines used there in the Nov. 2020 election gets “curiouser and curiouser.”

      In the presidential race the hand count was also off from the official machine tally for those 4 machines.

      Hand count vs. election day machine count showed difference of 52 votes for Biden and off 24 votes for Trump.

      Also, Sen. Jeanne Shaheen…she got over 90% of the mail in votes for those 4 precincts (machines).
      ________________
      Also, in Nov, 2020 (statewide I think)…Shaheen got 106% of the vote total for top of the ticket Biden/Harris.

      A big deal of sorts was made after the Nov, 2020
      in AZ where Mark Kelly (D) got 102% of the vote total of Biden Harris.

      But I did not hear anything about Shaheen in NH getting 106% of the total votes for Biden/Harris.

      *******************************
      Statewide, Shaheen got 100,000 more votes in 2020 than she did when she was first elected in 2008.

      Statewide, She got 200,000 more votes in 2020 than she got in 2014.

      She must be very popular in NH…

    628. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      https://people.com/tv/fox-news-jedediah-bilah-parting-ways/

      FOX News makes another positive move!!

    629. Phil says:

      Another Never Trumper bites the dust. If only we could get rid of Chris Wallace. Of course, that would be too good to be true.

    630. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      ….and Neal Cavuto!

    631. jason says:

      Bitter is fit for office. ‘

      Bitter would be a great improvement over the current office holder.

      Bitter has no vision, no compelling or differentiating message, no fund raising plan.

      Basically Bitter thinks “vote for me, I am more middle of the road than my opponent” is a great campaign strategy.

      All are true.

    632. jason says:

      I had never heard of Jebediah Bilah, must confess.

    633. Wes says:

      She’s a wispy vegan (blech!) who has right-leaning views but is apparently no fan of Trump, Jason.

    634. Tgca says:

      650

      He was on the Beverly Hillbillies I think.

    635. Tgca says:

      643

      Hold off on the shipment. They may not fit. I’ve been eating like a pig the last 2 weeks and realized I gained like 4 ounces this last week.

    636. Tgca says:

      642

      Oh puhleez Wes!

      Your rabid jealousy is showing again.

      My meal choices are healthy, tasty, and exquisite in presentation. I just loaded up on tofu a
      yesterday.

      …even my dog sits there salivating when she sees I bring tofu home.

      You keep on drinking your pomegranate juice you fat ass and don’t complain to me when Tink dumps you for a more fit nutritiously conscious fellow who enjoys the healthy benefits and tastiness of tofu.

    637. Tgca says:

      My good friend Bitter will be very excited by this news.

      ARod is going from questionable baseball legend to men’s make-up entrepreneur. He’s starting his own men’s make-up line to deal with those unsightly shaving bumps and blemishes.

      This is soooooooooooooo metrosexual!

      https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2021/05/21/hims-hers-alex-rodriguez-launches-makeup-men/

    638. Wes says:

      My meal choices are sickly, rank, and disgusting in presentation. I just loaded up on tofu yesterday.

      There. I fixed it for you, Tg.

      Tink likes actual men, not anorexic weirdos like you who noxious meals that would kill even a rabbit.

      As for your dog, she’s hoping in vain you’ll bring her home an actual meal someday.

    639. Wes says:

      …who eat noxious meals…

    640. Tgca says:

      656

      Tink likes actual men?

      Really?

      What’s she doing with you then?

    641. Bitterlaw says:

      Basically Bitter thinks “vote for me, I am more middle of the road than my opponent” is a great campaign strategy.

      I was originally going to call this a lie. Then I decided to give Jason a break and chalk it up to ignorance. I am and have always been a conservative. I will run on conservative themes and ideas. It is conservatism with a human face.*

      *Joke on the slogan as a play on socialism with a human face.

    642. Wes says:

      Heh. 658 comes from an animated garden gnome.

    643. Tgca says:

      660

      “Animated garden gnome” must be something folks in the south think is an original funny smack down. Geez!

      It’s up there with “groovy.”

      Y’all need some so-fistuhkated smack downs like we northeast folks have.

      Again, proof the northeast is superior than the south.

    644. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca is just trying to help us by not eating food. Lower demand reduces the cost for people who eat food. He’s starving and fighting inflation at the same time.

    645. Tgca says:

      662

      But soy bean prices are going through the roof.

    646. Tgca says:

      I’ve been unpacking and snacking all day.

      So far today I had three hard boiled eggs spaced throughout the day. I could eat eggs all day. Probably my fav food.

      I’ve also had three servings of 6 pieces of chilled M&M’s spaced throughout the day in even distribution of the six colors of red, orange, brown, yellow, green, and blue of course, as no one should ever eat an uneven distribution of colors of M&Ms. If you’re gonna have two yellow ones, than you gotta eat two each of the other five colors at the same time too.

      Two 8 oz servings of chilled protein drink mixed with unsweetened vanilla almond milk and unsweetened vanilla Ripple milk.

      …and soon I’m gonna steam some yellow squash too.

      …and I was such a pig last night too. I had a slice of cheese pizza at like 9PM while out doing errands.

      This is why I’m ballooned up like by 4 ounces this week.

    647. jason says:

      I am having a NY strip steak for dinner.

      I estimate my weight gain in 16 oz.

    648. jason says:

      It is conservatism with a human face”

      Why don’t you go out on something with even less appeal:

      “Thoughtful conservatism”.

    649. jason says:

      I’ve also had three servings of 6 pieces of chilled M&M’s spaced throughout the day in even distribution of the six colors of red, orange, brown, yellow, green, and blue”

      Too bad Tgca is not eligible, would be slam dunk for gayest post of the month.

    650. Wes says:

      In response to what Tgca ate, I have just this to say:

      https://giphy.com/gifs/page-shaft-crimson-dOl2LFw0RbTMc

    651. jason says:

      M&M’s are 65% sugar, that is why a sugar junkie like Tgca eats them.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLXrjbBiSGg

    652. Bitterlaw says:

      Sugar is the only real food that Tgca eats. The rest is processed garbage.

    653. Bitterlaw says:

      Prom night. I have known most of my daughter’s friends since they were 5. Now they are young women headed off to college in less than 3 months.

      At the Pre-Prom party with the parents, I was talking to parents who hate Biden. We discussed how cancel culture sucks and it is ridiculous they are getting terms like freshman. We also talked about how the School Board of all Democrats. I told them I am planning to run for Congress. They said if I run they will volunteer and donate.

      Jason and Tgca hardest hit.

    654. Bitterlaw says:

      Discussed how the School Board sucks.

    655. Bitterlaw says:

      Gutting terms like freshman. Damn. I can’t type.

    656. Phil says:

      Nice to know you can still find Philly suburban parents who aren’t woke Robots.

      Maybe there is hope.

    657. Bitterlaw says:

      Phil- It is amazing what you discover when you don’t rely on stereotypes posted by people who don’t live somewhere. Who knows? Maybe Texas isn’t as bad as I think.

    658. Phil says:

      It’s not, bitter.

    659. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Phil, Bitter & Others:
      Republicans are really pathetic. They are not serious players. This is unbelievable. Who is the GOP Whip in the House? Fire him/her! Maybe Bitterlaw in two years.

      https://justthenews.com/government/congress/gop-congressman-forgot-cast-proxy-vote-would-have-killed-19b-security-spending?s=09

    660. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Something for self-loathing Jew Cory/CG to be proud of:

      This is going to be a long 4 years for the Israelis. The new USA Administration, led in fact by Obama and his cronies, not only demanded a “de-escalation” of hostilities, but three other noxious concessions from the Israelis as part of the ceasefire with Hamas.
      Here they are:

      What Joe Biden Demanded of Israel in Exchange for a Cease-Fire Will Infuriate You

      What Joe Biden Demanded of Israel in Exchange for a Cease-Fire Will Infu…
      Some ally we are.

      How about a fourth demand. To wit:
      ” Give all Israelis the choice of committing suicide by drowning in the Med or jumping from Masada!”

    661. jason says:

      Jason and Tgca hardest hit.”

      Bitter finally takes our advice and decides maybe he should stand for something but we are hardest hit?

      I love it here.

    662. jason says:

      Let’s not “move on” just yet.

      “Americans are finally seriously questioning the results of the 2020 presidential election. The lightbulb has gone off. Americans are no longer afraid to say out loud that they think the election was stolen.

      That is why the National Republican Congressional Committee just announced the greatest April fundraising haul ever.

      That is why the latest Washington Examiner poll reports enthusiasm for Republican candidates in the 2022 midterm elections is ahead of enthusiasm for Democrats by double digits.

      That is why the latest Democracy Corps poll of battleground states finds President Biden’s approval among independents at only 34%. Democrats win only 17% of independents in these swing states on a generic ballot.

      That is why voters in Pennsylvania (a state that supposedly went to Biden) just overwhelmingly voted to dramatically limit the emergency powers of their Democratic governor.

      That is why the latest CBS News/YouGov poll shows Republican support for former President Trump is still at historic levels, with 89% still supporting Trump’s economic views, 80% supporting Trump’s leadership style, 88% supporting Trump’s tough stance on immigration, 73% supporting Trump’s views on race, 77% agreeing with the way Trump treated the media and, most importantly, 67% believing Joe Biden is not the legitimate winner of the 2020 election.

      That is why voters in the latest McLaughlin & Associates poll would favor Donald Trump over Vice President Kamala Harris 49% to 45% for the 2024 presidential election.”

    663. Tgca says:

      680

      I don’t understand why Pelosi Republicans like Bitter and his friends in Radnor talk trash about the Dems but then support their woke wars against the masses.

    664. jason says:

      I know the answer but I am truce barred from giving it.

    665. Bitterlaw says:

      Bitter finally takes our advice and decides maybe he should stand for something but we are hardest hit?

      Zzzzzzzzz. You said hundreds or thousands of times that I stand for nothing and I am afraid of what my friends and neighbors think. Obviously not. I just don’t see them often. Next time will be at Graduation and then a party in August for the girls before they head off to college.

    666. Bitterlaw says:

      I don’t understand why Pelosi Republicans like Bitter and his friends in Radnor talk trash about the Dems but then support their woke wars against the masses.

      We obviously don’t. Read 671 again. Twice. Are you going to fall into the Wes way of thinking where every Republican is responsible for electing a Democrat even though they voted for the opponent. There are no elections where the Dem gets al the votes here.

    667. Bitterlaw says:

      I know the answer but I am truce barred from giving it.

      Here’s a free pass, Jason. Read 671, 684 and 685 and then give “the answer.” I reserve 2 posts for rebuttal. The floor is yours.

    668. Wes says:

      Are you going to fall into the Wes way of thinking where every Republican is responsible for electing a Democrat even though they voted for the opponent.

      What exactly does this mean, Bitter?

    669. Bitterlaw says:

      You blame me for supporting Menendez even though I have not voted in New Jersey since 1994. You blame the netire state for sending him back to the Senate even though he received 54% of the vote. 46% did not want him to return to the Snate and I am sure they also wanted him in prison. So did I.

    670. Wes says:

      46% were just virtue signaling. Had they really thought Hugins had a chance, Menendez would have gotten 100% of the vote.

      New Jersey is the most corrupt state in the union. Menendez is safe because no Sewer Stater has a problem with his crimes. Anyone who did would live elsewhere.

      You continually talk up New Jersey despite the people in power there. You rarely if ever speak badly about Menendez unless I press you on his actions. You are, however, quite fast to launch into bigoted diatribes against Southern accents.

      Since you’re slow to attack the one and quick to attack the other, I can conclude only Menendez bothers you less than a Southern accent.

    671. Bitterlaw says:

      You rarely if ever speak badly about Menendez

      Do you want a daily condemnation? Ok. I will set an alarm on my phone to post every day.

    672. Wes says:

      It would help if you gave roasting Menendez the same time you give roasting Southern accents. You don’t though, so clearly Menendez is less troublesome to you than Southern accents.

    673. Wes says:

      Bitterlaw considers how people talk in states hundreds of miles away from him anathema.

      He considers a corrupt, child slave-raping Senator from a state Bitter wants to own property in to be no big deal unless called on it.

    674. Bitterlaw says:

      New Jersey is the most corrupt state in the union. Menendez is safe because no Sewer Stater has a problem with his crimes. Anyone who did would live elsewhere.

      You are a clown. So millions who live in New Jersey but work in New York have to move to New York or Connecticut? People who live in New Jersey but work in Philadelphia have to move t0 … well most people at HHR hate Pennsylvania so…Delaware?

      Should we move my dad with dementia out of his house where he has lived since 1960? Maybe my brother and his wife should move away from where their daughter is buried.

    675. Wes says:

      Bitterlaw:

      I hate Southern accents and weather.

      Also Bitterlaw:

      I want to own a house in New Jersey.

      I:

      But New Jersey’s senior Senator is corrupt and rapes underage sex slaves.

      Bitterlaw:

      Look over there! Squirrel!

    676. Bitterlaw says:

      Your condemnation is so hollow as to be laughable. I wanted him convicted. None of my relatives voted for him.

    677. Bitterlaw says:

      He considers a corrupt, child slave-raping Senator from a state Bitter wants to own property in to be no big deal unless called on it.

      Was slavery evil in your mind yet? You were pretty dismissive of it. Not as bad as DW’s “slaveowners weren’t so bad to their slaves because that would hurt their investment” but close.

    678. Wes says:

      Sewer Staters no Menendez is worse than Ted Kennedy and has as much chance of losing reelection as Kennedy ever had. Their only option for not having a corrupt child rapist representing them in the Senate is to move. They elect to stay, so clearly Menendez doesn’t bother them.

    679. Wes says:

      *know*

    680. Bitterlaw says:

      Just a beach house in Ocean City between 17th and 21st street on the beach on Central Avenue. Maybe Asbury but Wesley is too far.

    681. Wes says:

      I’m not the one who strategically condemns slavery Lincoln didn’t approve of while lauding the only state with an elected official directly connected to the modern slave trade, Bitter.

      That’s you.

      I should ask if modern-day sex slavery is evil to you, but you’d be too busy execrating southern accents to take the time for that kind of introspection.

    682. Bitterlaw says:

      Their only option for not having a corrupt child rapist representing them in the Senate is to move. They elect to stay, so clearly Menendez doesn’t bother them.

      You truly are a clown, Wes. So when all of them move, how are they going to find a new place to live when several million people hitting the real estate markets in PA, NY, CT and Delaware is going to make the prices skyrocket? Not to mention the collapse of their own home values when they try to sell.

    683. Bitterlaw says:

      Nobody at HHR has condemned sexual abuse of children more than I have, Wes. Nobody.

      As for your selective use of history, you know the ground under your feet was in the Confederacy, right? You may have heard it. They ran death camps called plantations and obtained many of their slaves by raping the women they owned.

    684. Wes says:

      Maybe you hadn’t noticed, Bitter, but there are other states than NJ, PA, NY, DE, and CT in the union. People move to different states all the time.

      No free lunch for those in NJ who know what Menendez does yet continue to have him representing them in the Senate.

    685. Bitterlaw says:

      I’m not the one who strategically condemns slavery because I never have condemned slavery. It was just an historical unpleasantness.

      Fixed it for you.

    686. Wes says:

      And Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation–which you declare the greatness of–codified slavery in any territory controlled by the North, including parts of the Confederacy seized by the Union army.

      No free lunch for your selective hypocrisy.

      On a related subject, when did Jefferson David serve as Senate Majority Leader again? I can’t find his name on the list anywhere.

    687. Phil says:

      The early polling winds are blowing the Republicans way for 2022. So what.

      The MSM will need to create phony issues and frame existing issues in order to change the mo…. if they need to make stuff up or do what it takes they will do it. See recent history.

      Expect that to happen. The MSM is powerful. It’s totally one sided, and extremely busy on a daily basis. They are in complete and total control of the message.

      CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, Politico, The Hill, NYT, Washington Post, and all big city newspapers in the nation, 538, all the social media platforms, corporations, higher education, public schools, all three network late night shows…each of these entities are simply arms of the DNC….

      On the other side there is Fox which includes the likes of Chris Wallace. LOL Can’t totally rely on them for opposition, talk radio (Rush is dead), the Drudge Report (uh, nope. Matt Drudge handed the site oer to the dark side)….and talk radio and Fox don’t reach anyone that isn’t already on the right.

      Want an example of the tilted landscape – Try tuning into the Sunday talk shows this morning. You aren’t going to get anything but left wing propaganda from Chuck Todd or Stephanopolis.

      Of course, if Pelosi, Schumer and company need any further help there are always Democratic Secretaries of State like the ones in Arizona and Pa who will make sure there are ample numbers of fraudulent mail in ballots to create margins needed…and of course the crooks in counties like Fulton, Milwaukee, Detroit are raring to go – again.

      Polls mean something if there is anything like a fair playing field.

      There isn’t.

    688. Bitterlaw says:

      Maybe you hadn’t noticed, Bitter, but there are other states than NJ, PA, NY, DE, and CT in the union. People move to different states all the time.

      So now they not only have to sell their houses, they also have to quit their jobs? Not everybody is a massage therapist or stripper, Wes.

    689. Bitterlaw says:

      On a related subject, when did Jefferson David serve as Senate Majority Leader again? I can’t find his name on the list anywhere.

      I never said he was the Senate Majority Leader. I said that there were small “l” leaders in the Senate. As in influential and prominent Senators.

      Too much time in the sun, Wes?

    690. Bitterlaw says:

      Time to work and then coach. Shall we resume at 8:00?

    691. Wes says:

      The statement you were responding to specifically mentioned the Senate Majority Leader, Bitter.

      Did living in subzero temperatures for large portions of the year freeze your brain and destroy your cognitive abilities?

    692. Wes says:

      Sure.

    693. Tgca says:

      Ok. I’m fine with Bitter and Wes re-enacting the Civil War but I draw the line on copyright infringement.

      Bitter calling Wes a clown in 603 and 701 is absolutely unacceptable.

      The “clown” designation is reserved for me and for me only just like Gnat and EXPERT. Please be respectful of that.

      …now continue please.

    694. Tgca says:

      I’m reserving ringside tickets for 8PM and gonna stack up on the popcorn.

      See y’all then.

    695. jason says:

      Time to work”

      Bitter is working on Sundays?

      Obviously is discarding the Amish vote.

    696. jason says:

      gonna stack up on the popcorn”

      Don’t tell me.

      Sugar, maple syrup, caramel, high fructose corn syrup flavored?

    697. jason says:

      Tgca’s glucose level actually came in higher than my cholesterol.

    698. jason says:

      Who else is rooting for ole Phil to win the PGA?

    699. Phil says:

      I am. Golf fans everywhere have to love the guy.

    700. jason says:

      Somebody has a $1000 bet on him at 300-1 at Draft Kings.

      No, it’s not me.

    701. jason says:

      Congrats Phil and the lucky bastard that won $300k.

    702. Tgca says:

      Less than 30 minutes until tonight’s main event.

      North vs. South!

      With the recent rise of the the South, will the South finally redeem itself after 156 years and kick some Northern butt tonight?

      Will the decaying North be able to hold it’s own tonight?

      Tune in and see as HHR posters Bitter representing the woke North vs. Wes representing those overly polite folks with the irritating accents from the South duke it out.

    703. Tgca says:

      Get your bets in folks. All bets must be placed by 7:59 EST.

      Tonight’s sparring event is brought to you by our sponsors Woke-a-Cola, sponsoring Bitter and Krispy Kreme’s, sponsoring Wes.

      17 minutes to show time!

    704. Tgca says:

      2 minutes until all official betting expires.

      Get your bets in now.

      Will the North prevail once again?

      Or will we see the rise of the New South?

    705. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes – GFY.

    706. Tgca says:

      It’s is shortly after 8PM and we’re waiting for our sparring partners to take to the floor.

      Who will start 1st?

      Is there a coin toss to see who strikes 1st.

      Inquiring minds want to know.

    707. Tgca says:

      LADIES annnnnnnnnd GENTLEMAN.

      Bitter is in the house.

      He strikes 1st with the obligatory HHR greeting.

      Now let’s see how Wes responds.

    708. Bitterlaw says:

      Can you read?

    709. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes is probably busy trying to come up with a plan to move millions of New Jersey residents to other states AND find them jobs in their came field.

    710. Bitterlaw says:

      Same field/

    711. Wes says:

      I see Bitter made it back before I did.

      Well, I’m actually surprised since Bitter should be going into contortions trying to explain how accents are worse to him than corrupt, child slave-raping Senators.

      You have the floor, Bitter.

    712. Tgca says:

      While we’re waiting for Wes I’ll respond to the slanderous comment in 716.

      My glucose level is in the good normal range as is my cholesterol levels.

      Can we spell E-N-V-Y Jadon?

    713. Tgca says:

      Bitter follows up with a snarky blue to Wes in his absence.

      But wait!

      Wes is in the house now.

      …and Wes comes out slamming back with a sucker punch into Bitter’s gut.

      This is going to be an energetic event Ladies and Gentlemen!

    714. Bitterlaw says:

      Of course, the awful Southern accent is not worse than what Senator Menendez did. However, if I lived in the South, I would have to endure the insincere grating noise of the drawl every day. The only time I hear about Menendez is when brings up.

    715. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes rightfully condemns Senator Mendez as an evil person. 246 years of legalized torture and rape? Not evil according Wes. He wants millions to move out of New Jersey but has no problem living near death camps.

    716. Wes says:

      So you’re uninformed, Bitter. A guy on a POLITICAL BLOG claims never to hear about the current most evil man in the Senate unless I bring said Senator up.

      That’s right up there with your bragging about never hearing about Obamacare off here and then getting offended when others ribbed you for that.

      If Menendez truly is worse than Southern accents, then why do you prate endlessly about being annoyed by them while never claiming what Menendez does bothers you without prompting?

    717. Wes says:

      Number of current Southern Senators with connection to slavery: 0.

      Number of current New Jersey Senators with connections to slavery: 1.

      Bitterlaw sanctimoniously claims to hate slavery when he’s really using that stance strictly as an excuse to attack the South. Were he genuinely opposed to slavery, he would attack Menendez with all the gusto he deserves for the South.

    718. Bitterlaw says:

      Why have you still not condemned the Confederacy as traitors who defended an evil system?

      There are 100 Senators, Wes. About 80 of them are not referenced by anybody at HHR. Nobody else posts about Menendez. Where is your manufactured outrage at them?

    719. Bitterlaw says:

      Din’t Forget I hate your weather, too, and your beaches are overrated.

    720. Wes says:

      How many of those other 99 Senators raped underage sex slaves, used the fact that a Republican would replace them in the Senate to avoid prison time, and overtly threatened prosecutors after securing a hung jury, Bitter?

    721. Wes says:

      That’s the guy whose state you think is awesome, Bitter. Maybe you should avoid glass houses in the future.

    722. Tgca says:

      Bitter hits below the belt exposing his bigotry towards people different from him because of the way they sound.

      Is that any different then hating gay men who sound a certain way?

      What about AA or Latinos because of the way they sound?

      Undeniable proof Bitter is now exposed as a bigot because he judges folks solely by the way they sound.

      This is not accepted in most places in America and would get you fired at most companies but this doesn’t appear to phase Bitter.

      He wants Wes to know he can’t stand Southerners, not because of their beliefs or customs but simply because of the way they sound.

      Will Wes hit him back with the way northeast people sound, especially those surrounding NY which generally has been associated with ignorance and stupidity?

      Will Wes stoop to Bitter’s level of bigotry or will Wes take the high road and argue core beliefs and moral issues?

    723. Bitterlaw says:

      Number of Senators who preyed on children who represent a state where Bitterlaw lives – 0

      Number of apologists for slavery who post at HHR – 1 (Wes)

    724. Wes says:

      You’re the one talking about how awesome a state whose senior Senator rapes sex slaves is, Bitter.

      That makes you an apologist for slavery since obviously Sewer Staters have no problem with Menendez and his depraved evil.

    725. Bitterlaw says:

      I never said New Jersey in awesome. I said where I grew up was nice and I want a beach in Ocean City, New Jersey. Where Tgca grew up is not awesome.

    726. Wes says:

      It says a lot about you, Bitter, you’d rather live in a state while knowing the senior Senator rapes sex slaves than live in a place with accents different from yours.

    727. Tgca says:

      I will make a minor reference here for the record. Many northerners and those who supported the North in the Civil War were prior slaves owners in their family, including most of the 1st few presidents.

      It’s also been reported that Lincoln kept counsel on freeing slaves and having them colonized outside the US.

      Clearly, this never occurred but had it happened it would be equally as disastrous to kick out of the US people based solely on their skin color. The fact that Lincoln considered this is inherently racist and showed he may not have had the best interests of slaves in mind.

    728. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes is the moral compass of HHR? His specialty was finding, using, and discarding emotionally damaged women. How many children with how many women? Father’s Day is coming up. I’m sure he is big plans.

    729. Tgca says:

      744

      Bitter’s bigotry creeping in again as he refers to areas where minorities live are NOT awesome!

    730. Wes says:

      A guy who attacks a whole region of the country based on accents while lauding a state that knowingly reelected a corrupt child rapist to the Senate is lecturing me about morality?

      Talk about hypocrisy.

    731. Bitterlaw says:

      It says a lot about you that you still cannot condemn slavery as evil. Always trying to deflect from the blood soaked history of the land you embrace.

    732. Tgca says:

      747

      Wes seems to be sticking to the essence of the argument about logic and morality and why one defends some of these seems irrational while Bitter is going for the personal attacks.

      Is Bitter getting desperate or is this just what he views the south to be as represented by Wes’s supposed character.

    733. Wes says:

      By the way, your half-assed explanation that Jefferson Davis was just a “leader” in the Senate in response to a post SPECIFICALLY mentioning the Senate Majority Leader position only shows your status as an uninformed poster.

      Did you get your history out of a Cracker Jack box?

    734. Wes says:

      As opposed to your birth state and residential state, Bitter, which also had slavery in their history?

    735. Bitterlaw says:

      You keep ignoring the Southern weather the weak people down there need. Only 3 seasons. P*ssies. Not as weak as people in Southern California who can only live in 2 seasons.

    736. Wes says:

      If you can’t stand the heat, Bitter, enjoy that subarctic wasteland with its dying industrial base you call home?

    737. Bitterlaw says:

      PA and New Jersey did not commit treason and go to war to keep slavery. Your beloved NC did.

    738. Bitterlaw says:

      But I can stand the heat. Then it gets cool. Then it gets cold. Then it warms up. We call them seasons.

    739. Wes says:

      No. The Northeast threatened to secede during the Jackson Administration.

      They still owned slaves till the industrial base changed to make slavery unnecessary in the Northeast.

      Then they bombed and killed Southern blacks who moved North seeking better economic opportunities.

    740. Wes says:

      You can stand heat about as much as Jason can be a vegan.

    741. Tgca says:

      754

      Bitter complains about weather in the south but more people from NJ and NY are moving to the south than any other part of the country.

      If not for immigrant growth in NJ and NY the last couple of decades, the northeast would be among lowest in population growth while the south has exploded with growth in many areas including the southeast and south along the Gulf of Mexico.

    742. Wes says:

      So I guess the moral of the story is that Bitter is fine with killing blacks who want to seek jobs up north but finds slavery morally repugnant–unless he checks his notes and finds Lincoln approved of it in the Emancipation Proclamation.

    743. Bitterlaw says:

      The moral of the story is that Wes is an apologist for slavery and would have been happy if it continued into the 20th century.

      Wes conveniently forgets that the Blacks who moved to the North were originally runaway slaves escaping the death camps (plantations). Then they were blacks escaping the repression, segregation, and violence against freed black in the South.

    744. Wes says:

      …and dying at Northern whites’ hands, Bitter.

      Let’s not forget that truth you conveniently overlook.

    745. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes seems to think that slavery would have ended peacefully without Lincoln in just a few days if that damn war hadn’t broken out. He loves his Lost Cause.

    746. Bitterlaw says:

      You really want to go down that road? Centuries of torture and rape in the South against draft riots and awful isolated killings in the North?

    747. Wes says:

      Bitterlaw still seems to think Lincoln started the war to end slavery when Lincoln himself said he’d maintain slavery if it would preserve the Union.

      Damn, man. You’re not really on this whole history thing, are you?

    748. Wes says:

      Glass houses, Bitter.

      PA established slavery no later than 1639. Slavery existed in the Commonwealth till the 1830s or 1840s.

      How’s that centuries of torture and rape working out for you?

    749. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes repeats the lie that I think Lincoln originally wanted to end slavery. I have never said that and Wes knows it. Everybody, even those educated in the Lost Cause states, knows Lincoln said if he could preserve the Union with slavery, he would. He changed during the war.

    750. Wes says:

      New Jersey began slavery in 1625. In 1804, New Jersey became the last Northern state to begin abolishing slavery. As late as 1846, it was classifying slaves as “indentured servants” to keep them enthralled to their masters.

      What’s that about centuries of rape and torture again, Bitter?

    751. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      754. Bitter, it is 70 degrees in San Diego now. Will be about 65 degrees tonight. Nice sea breeze blowing. There is a reason Bill Gates bought a 43 million dollar beachfront home in Del Mar.

      I greatly enjoy the four seasons; watch them often on TV. Like going to the beach in December more.

    752. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes is seriously trying to pretend that the millions of slaves in the South compared to thousands in Northern states.

    753. Wes says:

      Ah. There we go.

      Bitter is going to defend Northern slavery because the North had fewer slaves than the South.

      I thought slavery was always wrong. I guess it’s just wrong if a state a Northern bigot hates has more slaves than one he likes.

      Good to know.

    754. Wes says:

      Can I claim a TKO after that one, Tg?

    755. jason says:

      Hey about Phil Mickelson huh?

    756. Bitterlaw says:

      Maybe Wes the Lost Cause Historian can tell us when the Confederate states planned to abolish slavery before the Civil War.

      Answer- They didn’t.

    757. Bitterlaw says:

      All slavery was evil. Except the system Wes defends.

    758. Wes says:

      I never said they did, Bitter. At least they were open about it. In sleazy fashion typical of its people, the Sewer State reclassified slaves so as to nominally end the practice.

    759. Wes says:

      You’re the only one to make a statement remotely defending slavery on here, Bitter:

      Bitterlaw says:
      May 23, 2021 at 9:41 pm
      Wes is seriously trying to pretend that the millions of slaves in the South compared to thousands in Northern states.

    760. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes the Moral Compass is always ready to condemn others. Just can’t condemn slavery as evil. Hopefully he lives up to his personal obligations while sitting on his high horse.

    761. Wes says:

      I noticed you said all slavery WAS evil, Bitter:

      Bitterlaw says:
      May 23, 2021 at 9:48 pm
      All slavery was evil. Except the system Wes defends.

      Since Bobby M is currently in the practice of raping underage sex slaves, I guess modern-day slavery is no longer evil to you.

    762. Phil says:

      I’ve seen enough. The referee needs to step in and stop this.

    763. Phil says:

      I’ve seen enough. The referee needs to step in and stop this.

    764. Phil says:

      The beating is brutal.

    765. Bitterlaw says:

      The problem with your smoke and mirrors act is that you have never found and produced a post where I defended Mendez. Not one. You will find many where I wanted him convicted and many where I wanted him defeated.

    766. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes treats women like dirt but he blames me for somebody I wanted convicted and defeated.

    767. Wes says:

      You knew neither would happen, so you were free to virtue signal about him, Bitter.

      You still have a hard time saying anything negative about him in anything but a perfunctory manner, but, damn, are you quick to attack a Southern accent.

    768. Bitterlaw says:

      I hope you live up to your obligations, Wes.

      You can’t even say the Confederacy was based on an evil system.

    769. Phil says:

      Cobb-Holmes Fight II

    770. Wes says:

      You always come back to my personal life when you have nothing else, Bitter.

      You’re the one who launches into bigoted diatribes about a whole region of the country while apparently having little if any problem with things going in the state you want to own property in.

    771. Bitterlaw says:

      Not even perfunctory condemnation by you, Wes.

    772. Wes says:

      You can’t even say the North was evil because of slavery and use the smaller number of slaves as your escape valve, Bitter.

      It’s there in your own words.

    773. Bitterlaw says:

      Because your personal life is a train wreck with consequences for others. Did you ever get married?

    774. Bitterlaw says:

      I condemned those in the North involved in slavery years ago. More lies by you.

    775. Wes says:

      I guess you missed the posts where I called slavery a blight and a cancer, Bitter. If your English is as bad as your knowledge of history I recommend going to dictionary.com and looking up the contextual meaning of those words.

    776. Wes says:

      Show me the post.

      Literally all of your posts about slavery center on the Southern system even though it was quite prolific in the North.

      What does my marriage status have to do with anything?

    777. Bitterlaw says:

      Blight and cancer. Strange words that look more to the effect on the slave owners rather than the slaves. You do everything possible to avoid the word “evil” because deep down, you don’t think it was. So you use words that don’t impugn the evildoers.

    778. Bitterlaw says:

      Mare of Easttown is on.

      Back at 11:15

    779. Wes says:

      any cause of impairment, destruction, ruin, or frustration:
      Extravagance was the blight of the family.
      the state or result of being blighted or deteriorated; dilapidation; decay:
      urban blight.

      Straight from dictionary.com, Bitter.

      If you mean slavery was an outmoded economic system that made whole groups of people into second-class citizens, caused massive suffering, and destroyed families leading to resentment that festered and still has repercussions to this day, then I guess you can broadly say I was discussing the effects of slavery on the masters. Contextually obviously I didn’t mean that, and you should be intellectually honest enough to admit that.

    780. Tgca says:

      Bitter adopting the Donald Trump debating technique tonight. Personal insults and attacks over the merits of the arguments because he appears annoyed…and…well…he just seems to be bigoted towards southerners.

      Wes can go for the jugular at times but tonight he is forcefully focused on countering all of Bitter’s points with historical facts and logical conclusions, as Bitter ignores the obvious inconsistencies in his own arguments and resorts to personal attacks.

      Up to this point, Wes is dominating this debate hands down on substance.

    781. Tgca says:

      Ocho! Cero! Cero!

    782. Tgca says:

      Seriously, to dislike a group of people because of the way they talk is racist and bigoted.

      Many reasons gay people were targets of violence for decades up to probably the early 2000s was because many sounded or had certain mannerisms that others found repugnant.

      It was quite common to mock Italians for their accents and style of speech in the earlier part of the 20th century and often discriminate against them, often using violence towards them as well. As time passed and up until the 80s, this mockery of Italians associated their style of speech with stupidity.

      Latinos were routinely mocked for sounding a certain way and a target of discrimination and violence because of it.

      AA were and are still routinely mocked for their speech and vocal tonality and it’s often associated with them having ignorance, lack of education, and lack of intelligence.

      You would think someone like Bitter who claims to be respectful of all would know this and think through why he is so obsessed with the way people sound as opposed to who they are as people.

      It’s one thing to poke fun at stereotypes, as we all often due, but it’s another to detest people because if it.

      That’s bigotry!

      There’s no difference in having disdain for Southerners because of their vocal tonality then there is having disdain for AA, Latino, or gay simply for the way they sound.

      Like I stated before, Bitter would be fired from most companies and he could get his company sued for his view on how others speak.

    783. Bitterlaw says:

      If you mean slavery was an outmoded economic system that made whole groups of people into second-class citizens, caused massive suffering, and destroyed families leading to resentment that festered and still has repercussions to this day, then I guess you can broadly say I was discussing the effects of slavery on the masters. Contextually obviously I didn’t mean that, and you should be intellectually honest enough to admit that.

      Slaves were second class citizens? If Tgca were honest, he would disqualify Wes from making any more arguments. I meant slavery was evil and Wes just typed a lot of words to avoid saying it was.

    784. Bitterlaw says:

      Seriously, to dislike a group of people because of the way they talk is racist and bigoted.

      I never said I did not like them. I said I didn’t want to live where they live. Apparently, not wanting to live in Pennsylvania is ok at HHR. Dis liking Northeast accents is ok at HHR. Not wanting to live in Alabama of Georgia, etc. is racist and bigoted – but I made no distinction between Southerners of any race.

    785. Bitterlaw says:

      Up to this point, Wes is dominating this debate hands down on substance.

      Tgca is such a disinugenous liar so determined to mock me that if I said that 2+2 equals 4 and Wes said it equaled 27, he would declare Wes a genius.

    786. Bitterlaw says:

      AA were and are still routinely mocked for their speech and vocal tonality and it’s often associated with them having ignorance, lack of education, and lack of intelligence.

      You will not find a singled post where I said that people in the South are ignorant, lack education, or lack intelligence. I did say that I believe much of their alleged friendliness is insincere and a ruse. Bless your heart.

    787. Bitterlaw says:

      If you can’t see the absurdity of Wes’ argument that people having to quit their jobs and move out of their homes because an evil scumbag they did not vote for was elected, then I don’t know how you can be considered an expert on anything.

    788. Bitterlaw says:

      Mare of Easttown was excellent tonight. Series finale next week. People should watch the show.

    789. Tgca says:

      802

      Bitter

      You are cherry picking.

      You can’t accuse the south without accepting the slavery of the north. You twist yourself into a pretzel trying to defend the north but fast to accuse the south.

      How about indigenous people? How many were killed because of our US ancestors. Significantly greater than AA people enslaved and killed. It’s estimated at 5M to 12M indigenous people were displaced and killed between the 1600s and 1800s in the US territories.

      Do indigenous people not count?

      You can’t go back 200 years from the end of the Civil War to criticize the south on slavery when millions of indigenous people were displaced and extinguished with much of it in what is now the northeast US.

    790. Tgca says:

      …and Bitter, tonight you showed yourself to be a bigot!

      You seriously argue your disdain for people because how they sound or speak…nothing else…on that alone.

      Often I just assumed it was you just mocking and being obnoxious about it to get a rise out of Wes but you truly are an ignorant bigot.

      You are no better than any of the modern day White Supremacists or KKK with your views.

    791. Bitterlaw says:

      Read 793 again. Do you want to be Wes’ sidekick? Almost 4 hours in to tonight’s festivities and Wes still refuses to say slavery in the Confederacy was evil. He won’t do it. Instead, he plays word games to make slavery into an outmoded economic system and turns slaves into second class citizens.

    792. Bitterlaw says:

      I don’t like insincere people. If you don’t like me, say it. Bless your heart.

    793. Tgca says:

      The way people sound is not indicative of sincerity.

      You live in an area with some of the most fake and insincere people yet you judge others? Really?

      Hypocrisy!

    794. lisab says:

      tgca,

      i would just like to point out

      wes has also not condemned the romans for slavery

    795. Tgca says:

      Bitter

      Will you accept the biggest genocide ever committed in North America territory now known as the US was on the indigenous people here and not AA slaves?

      Will you agree that everything you have in your life comes from the fact, that your Euro ancestors came over and deprived these people of their lives and liberty?

      Would you accept had it not been for genocide of the indigenous people and the slave trade, that the US would not have existed as it does today?

      Do you accept that these atrocities on MILLIONS is what America was built on?

      Forget the fact that countries have been doing these for eons so the US is no different but that you are cherry picking only the south because of your personal ignorance and bigotry is astounding.

    796. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca, you know nothing about where I live. Let’s be honest for once. I posted many times that I respect how hard you worked to overcome a very difficult life. I expected nothing in return from you. Silence would have been great. Instead, I received nothing but contempt. Not guys being guys mockery but vicious comments that culminated in calling me a predator.

      You don’t need to be Wes’ sidekick. We are not going to friends. You made that impossible. Keep making your stupid comments about sweaters and flower shows and metrosexuals but stop pretending we’re friends. We’re not. You need approval from Wes so go get it.

    797. lisab says:

      that the US would not have existed as it does today?
      ———————

      don’t forget the treason perpetrated against king george iii

    798. lisab says:

      Tgca, you know nothing about where I live.
      ——————————-

      tgca,

      you’ve seen downton abbey right?

    799. Bitterlaw says:

      Are you starting the 1492 Project? People suck.All of your history is correct except for my ancestors. The Irish Bitters arrived more than 200 years after the first slaves and went underground to mine coal and die in accidents. My wife’s relatives arrived almost 300 years after the slaves and almost 50 years after the abolition of slavery in the US.

      I thought you would at least be more than Wes. Guess not.

    800. Bitterlaw says:

      The vicious and vindictive socialist union rep is here to get applause from her sycophants who don’t realize she is laughing at them.

    801. lisab says:

      laughing at you actually

    802. Tgca says:

      Bitter

      1st of all, stop with the victim mentality again.

      I am not Wes’ sidekick. Wes and I have had our disagreements and spirited debates as well and a few times he got very nasty with me out of anger but that’s fine because I know he was just frustrated at that time and lashing out as sometimes happens here.

      Same with Jadon, we’re not sidekicks.

      You think everyone is against you and lining up to pick on you but you constantly look for opportunities to be provocative and make statements that lead others to challenge, tease, or mock you. I think you personally enjoy these fights with others and that is fine too if you desire spirited debate so be it.

      But stop playing victim. This is why I think you have the emotional IQ of a young teenager.

    803. Tgca says:

      For the record, I agree with Wes on this topic and the south. As someone who has lived and traveled in the south, I can appreciate southern folks and customs, as well as accept they are not perfect and that the south has a historic stain but I also feel similarly about the north.

      Nearly every nation is stained with blood and violence in their history, including the US but you cherry pick only the south to blame.

      Your constant degrading of southerners while acting as if the north is honorary and better seriously brings into question your maturity and leads one to believe you are a BIGOT that is no better than a white supremacist or KKK supporter for the way you think about a class of people.

      That is what I agree with Wes on. I am not his side kick.

    804. Tgca says:

      You also keep degrading Wes as a person and mocking his significant other simply because you appear to be losing an argument. Funny that you despise Trump’s character but you’re just like him in this instant.

      Now we all mock each other and sometimes do it to get under each other’s skin and maybe go a bit too far sometimes but you take it to a new level, and consistently so with Wes.

      I don’t know all of Wes’ personal history but all I know of it seems to come from your attacks.

      So the guy isn’t married and has had relationships you did not approve of or how they turned out. Big deal! Why is that your business?

      Perhaps you should look at your own marriage and relationships.

      For a guy running around saying he could care less if he lives that does not suggest you have much in your life to look forward to if you’re fine with expiring at any moment.

      Imagine how insulting and degrading your wife and kids must feel if you tell them these things. Have you ever considered you may make them feel like chit as if they really don’t matter and all that matters is what you want from life?

      So before you seriously degrade Wes and his relationships, and put down his significant other, look at your own relationships because something doesn’t sound right if you’re this miserable with a so-called wonderful, supporting and loving family.

    805. lisab says:

      You think everyone is against you and lining up to pick on you but you constantly look for opportunities to be provocative and make statements that lead others to challenge, tease, or mock you. I think you personally enjoy these fights with others and that is fine too if you desire spirited debate so be it.
      —————————————-

      imagine how often he’ll be on cnn, especially if he wins!

    806. Wes says:

      Bitter, I’m curious.

      Are you seriously going to argue slaves weren’t second-class citizens under slavery? I don’t know about you, but I’d say having an owner and being subject to being sold and separated from one’s family while having few if any rights is the very definition of a second-class citizen.

      You may disagree, but that’s what I meant by my statement.

    807. jason says:

      I agree with wes that Bitter is prejudiced against the South and its people.

      I think Bitter is correct on his views on Lincoln, the Civil War and slavery. I find wes’ comments on slavery a weak attempt to justify the unjustifiable and to defend the indefensible.

      Sue me.

      That being said, I have no interest in involving myself in this argument any further.

      How about Phil Mickelson, huh?

    808. Bitterlaw says:

      Slaves were not citizens at all. I thought you knew that, Wes.

    809. Bitterlaw says:

      I noted SDC said being on the beach in December is great. I like the beach in all 4 seasons. Even winter with a cutting wind and snow is great.

    810. Phil says:

      Critical race theory curriculum prohibited by Texas Republican state legislature. Ready for Abbott’s signature. Leftist brainwashing of kids stopped butt cold.

      My understanding is that Republicans have complete control of the Pa legislature. Where does similar legislation stand there, bitter?

    811. jason says:

      PA Republicans are far too woke for that Phil.

    812. Phil says:

      I know, Jason. Just wanted to hear bitter say so.

    813. Gordon Allen says:

      After 2 disastrous weeks,starting from Biden 47-52, Rasmussen
      has Biden 54-43.
      He must have gone to a D plus 10 model.
      A 16 point gain because…?
      Polling is worse than ever,something I didn’t think possible.

    814. Phil says:

      Sadly, Gordon, the polling reflects the new America.

      Embrace the horror.

    815. Tgca says:

      I noticed Bitter selectively dumps on the south but won’t address the question of how indigenous people were treated from the 1600s to the 1800s so the America could prosper and the role the north played in this including the largest US southern slaveholder being from PA by the way and who moved back there during the civil war.

      …and Bitters weak argument about his family not being here yet must mean that he forgets many Irish were aligned with the slave trade that took place in the 1600s and 1700s where they were paid for managing and transporting slaves to the new world.

      Lastly, how can he condemn the south but not the early presidents for being slave owners. Jefferson raped at least one slave. I’m sure Sally could have just sad no to Tom.

      The hypocrisy is stunning. America, like nearly every other nation did atrocious things and enslaved people so their country could prosper and we should not forget that but Bitter is selectively cherry picking because he is a rabid bigot.

    816. Phil says:

      One last thought on the polling – when the public only hears one side of the picture from the media 24/7 365 days a year what do you expect?

    817. Bitterlaw says:

      I have repeatedly condemned the slave-owning Presidents. Wes will mention Grant so here is an article on it.

      https://acwm.org/blog/myths-misunderstandings-grant-slaveholder/

      People suck, Tgca. Indigenous people conquered, enslaved and killed other indigenous people long before Europeans arrived. By carrying diseases and guns, the Europeans were just really good at stealing, enslaving and killing.

    818. jason says:

      Bitter is a rabid bigot?

      Damm, that is worth some points.

      Of course when he called me that he gave me zero points.

    819. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca – I am not aware of any Bitters involved in the slave trade. If I found that there was one or more it would be sad and shameful. I would acknowledge it but I would not try to explain it away or justify it as anything but evil.

    820. Bitterlaw says:

      You have been living off the interest of being called La Raza Pimp for years.

    821. Tgca says:

      836

      So Bitter excuses the slaughter of indigenous people by European ancestors because the indigenous people also did really really bad things and thus makes the case for us that he is cherry picking by calling out the south only and ignoring all other culprits of racism and slavery.

      People suck he calls it!

      So then why continuously point out the south? It sounds like it’s because he is bigoted against southern people.

      No other reason can be justified for his selective choice even though the largest US slave owner ever was a PA born and bred low life scum who made a fortune off enslaving people in the south.

      If Bitter is going to hold the south accountable, why not the early presidents? Why not teach about the evils that Washington perpetuated and how he should be scorned and removed from history as a decent man. No recognition of his name should ever be made. Should people spit when speaking of this horrible excuse of a human? Same for Jefferson.

      Should we invalidate the US Constitution because it was supported by slave supporters?

      My point is the hypocrisy of calling out one group and in essence pardoning others of equal or worse atrocities.

    822. Bitterlaw says:

      So Wes’ sidekick is now an apologist for slavery, too. Good to know. At least he did not say slaves were just second class citizens.

    823. jason says:

      I hear someone called Tgca was hung in Dodge City in 1871, supposedly for telling local ranchers to start planting soy instead of raising cattle.

      Rumor has it his last meal was a gallon jug of molasses.

      I am sure it is just a coincidence.

    824. Tgca says:

      838

      Are you aware of any of Wes’ family as slave owners?

      If you really are horrified about slavery, then you would call into question the legitimacy of the US Constitution which treated slaves as less than a whole person and is the foundation of the US to this day without any compensation for that shameful period that allowed the US to take root as a nation for nearly the 1st 100 years.

      Why was it ok for slavery from 1776 through 1860 but then wrong from 1861 thru 1865?

      Why blame the south for fighting for 4 years to maintain an inevitably unsustainable system but ignore 85 years of that system prior to the Civil War?

      That’s hypocrisy that appears to be driven by your bigotry.

    825. Phil says:

      No one on this site is an “apologist for slavery”. Not even close.

    826. jason says:

      I think Tgca’s point is that slavery was ok because he thinks the country benefited from it.

      Slavery was so evil I guess if you are an apologist for it you need some kind of justification.

    827. jason says:

      No one on this site is an “apologist for slavery”. Not even close”

      You have to admit wes and Tgca do come the “closest”.

    828. jason says:

      Why blame the south for fighting for 4 years to maintain an inevitably unsustainable system”

      LOL

    829. Tgca says:

      I am not apologist for slavery. I just don’t selectively cherry pick it as you do.

      You act like the parent whose son gets caught in a a repugnant school scandal but then goes on to blame all the other kids he hangs with and excuses your son’s behavior.

      You are incapable of rational thought on this issue because you’re a hateful bigot.

      You have a history of bigoted statements, not in jest, but in all seriousness that proves that.

    830. Tgca says:

      847

      You misunderstand my context which was why focus on just 4 years of fighting the inevitable but ignoring 85 years of the inevitable?

      Slavery will always be a blight on US history and nothing we do will ever remedy that just as can be said of most other countries, and by example, nothing Germany can ever do will erase the atrocity it brought on the world in two world wars within 20 years.

      So instead of attacking the south only, why not attack Washington, Jefferson, and other founding fathers as well?

      I have no problem holding the south accountable in historic context but why not the founding fathers?

      After all, it was the founding fathers who enshrined slavery into the founding of the nation.

    831. Bitterlaw says:

      No one on this site is an “apologist for slavery”. Not even close”

      You have to admit wes and Tgca do come the “closest”.

      Nahhhh. Wes just thinks slavery was just “an outmoded economic system” and slaves were “second class citizens.” It was also not “evil.”

      Before I forget my daily obligation – Senator Menendez is an evil child rapist who should be in prison.

    832. Tgca says:

      Finally, though it is not an excuse, we have the luxury of living in the 21st century and applying attitudes and beliefs that were not held by probably 95%+ people of the world between the 1600s and 1800s.

      It’s not an excuse.

      It’s a fact that statistically speaking, it’s likely all of us here would have been supporters of slavery had we lived in those times, and probably we will be condemned for many of our attitudes and beliefs today by future generations when they view our attitudes and beliefs in the future.

    833. Bitterlaw says:

      It’s a fact that statistically speaking, it’s likely all of us here would have been supporters of slavery had we lived in those times, and probably we will be condemned for many of our attitudes and beliefs today by future generations when they view our attitudes and beliefs in the future.

      The major flaw in your “fact,” which is really a speculative opinion, is that there were abolitionists during “those teimes.” Of course, some of us would like to think we would be abolitionists rather than slaveholders but it is unknowable.

    834. Tgca says:

      850. Bitter

      Baby steps.

      Bitter acknowledges Washington, Jefferson, Madison, et. al. were all evil for enshrining slavery into our country’s founding…and Lincoln too who made it clear in his own written communication that he went to war to keep the country together and not to look out for the best interest of the slaves and if he could save the nation by keeping slavery intact, he would, as well as considering colonizing the slaves outside the US.

      Good to know.

    835. Tgca says:

      852

      The abolitionists were a very small majority, especially in the 1600s and 1700s, hence, why slavery prospered during that time and did not start to recede until the 1800s.

      Do you deny that it was through slavery and indentured servitude that America was built? Otherwise, we’d be many territories like Europe in this day and age.

    836. Gordon Allen says:

      Phil,do you know a single person who supported Trump,and now supports Biden? I dont,do you?

      I know 1 who has shifted to Trump in that she regrets voting for Biden now.
      Nor would that explain a terrible 47-51( at this stage) going to 54 -43in the last 2 weeks?
      I think most people are keeping their heads down even more. 16 point swing?? Really?

    837. Tgca says:

      So my remedy here is to acknowledge that America, like nearly every other world nation, has a sordid history of acts perpetuated by the few in wealth and power to grow a nation and that we have never really given it the serious attention it needs to address that issue and have a completely honest discussion on it…and I don’t mean critical race theory or reparations either.

      Stop with selectively blaming just the south and ignoring the root cause of slavery by the founding fathers, the powerful, elite and wealthy, mostly concentrated in the northeast, and the ancestors who were just fine with slavery as long as it met their needs.

      These evil deeds were allowed by nearly all Americans at that time because it served a need they benefited from regardless of whether they acknowledged the evil or not.

    838. Bitterlaw says:

      Do you deny that it was through slavery and indentured servitude that America was built? Otherwise, we’d be many territories like Europe in this day and age.

      Never did. Of course, you are now going down the “But Hitler built great highways and loved his dog” approach to history.

    839. Tgca says:

      I will let my sidekick Wes come in and take over for now since I have plans this afternoon.

      If the subject should turn away from slavery and hatred of the south simply because of the way they sound and move towards wokeism, I defer to my sidekick Jadon to hold down the fort until I return with excellent posts on that matter later on.

      …and clearly for any gay issues, I defer to my sidekick LisaB, our resident Expert on all things gay.

    840. Bitterlaw says:

      So my remedy here is to acknowledge that America, like nearly every other world nation, has a sordid history of acts perpetuated by the few in wealth and power to grow a nation and that we have never really given it the serious attention it needs to address that issue and have a completely honest discussion on it…and I don’t mean critical race theory or reparations either.

      I agree BUT referring to slaves as second class citizens and slavery as just an outmoded economic system rather than evil is not going to lead to an “honest discussion.”

    841. Wes says:

      ::facepalm::

      Let’s just try to kneecap the single best potential candidate in the race because of a bruised ego:

      https://mobile.twitter.com/madelainepisani/status/1396853065039466504?s=21

    842. Bitterlaw says:

      Bitter acknowledges Washington, Jefferson, Madison, et. al. were all evil for enshrining slavery into our country’s founding…and Lincoln too who made it clear in his own written communication that he went to war to keep the country together and not to look out for the best interest of the slaves and if he could save the nation by keeping slavery intact, he would, as well as considering colonizing the slaves outside the US.

      Good to know.

      Baby Steps – Tgca acknowledges that slavery in US hostory was evil. He may lose his job as Wes’ sidekick.

    843. Bitterlaw says:

      I do appreciate Wes’ updates on political campaigns and candidates.

    844. NYCmike says:

      “The problem with your smoke and mirrors act is that you have never found and produced a post where I defended Mendez.”

      -What did “Author” do now?

    845. NYCmike says:

      So, it looks like my decision to watch the grass grow this weekend was the right one……..

    846. jason says:

      Yeah, you missed a good tournament.

    847. Bitterlaw says:

      The article won’t copy but 2020 Olympics may have no spectators and could be cancelled. At this rate the 2020 and 2024 Olympics can just held together.

    848. jason says:

      Let’s just try to kneecap the single best potential candidate in the race because of a bruised ego”

      The “best potential candidates” should keep this in mind.

      “Americans are finally seriously questioning the results of the 2020 presidential election. The lightbulb has gone off. Americans are no longer afraid to say out loud that they think the election was stolen.

      That is why the National Republican Congressional Committee just announced the greatest April fundraising haul ever.

      That is why the latest Washington Examiner poll reports enthusiasm for Republican candidates in the 2022 midterm elections is ahead of enthusiasm for Democrats by double digits.

      That is why the latest Democracy Corps poll of battleground states finds President Biden’s approval among independents at only 34%. Democrats win only 17% of independents in these swing states on a generic ballot.

      That is why voters in Pennsylvania (a state that supposedly went to Biden) just overwhelmingly voted to dramatically limit the emergency powers of their Democratic governor.

      That is why the latest CBS News/YouGov poll shows Republican support for former President Trump is still at historic levels, with 89% still supporting Trump’s economic views, 80% supporting Trump’s leadership style, 88% supporting Trump’s tough stance on immigration, 73% supporting Trump’s views on race, 77% agreeing with the way Trump treated the media and, most importantly, 67% believing Joe Biden is not the legitimate winner of the 2020 election.

      That is why voters in the latest McLaughlin & Associates poll would favor Donald Trump over Vice President Kamala Harris 49% to 45% for the 2024 presidential election.”

    849. jason says:

      There were 10k people without masks surrounding Phil Mickelson at the 18th hole yesterday but there can be no spectators in Japan?

    850. jason says:

      Of course, you are now going down the “But Hitler built great highways and loved his dog” approach to history.”

      Hey, Mussolini made the trains run on time…

    851. jason says:

      Do you deny that it was through slavery and indentured servitude that America was built?”

      I think this wins “stupidest apology for slavery post of the year”.

      I know, it’s only May, but it will be tough to beat.

    852. NYCmike says:

      “Do you deny that it was through slavery and indentured servitude that America was built?””

      -Who wrote that?

    853. jason says:

      Do you deny that it was through slavery and indentured servitude that America was built?”

      Slaves built the Colosseum. The Parthenon. The Great Wall of China.

      So according to Tgca, slavery must be ok since it brought us all these wonderful things.

    854. NYCmike says:

      “There were 10k people without masks surrounding Phil Mickelson at the 18th hole yesterday but there can be no spectators in Japan?”

      -I was flipping thru channels on radio, and heard ESPN for about 2 minutes….the guy “Greenie” said something about “Phil and so many fans not abiding by social distancing rules….”…….I couldn’t turn it off quickly enough.

      These people are either totally nvts, or total political hacks.

    855. jason says:

      -Who wrote that?”

      See #854

    856. jason says:

      Phil and so many fans not abiding by social distancing rules….”

      South Carolina has no mask or social distancing mandate outdoors.

    857. jason says:

      Do you deny that it was through slavery and indentured servitude that America was built?”

      Yeah, actually I do.

      America wasn’t “built by slaves”. Slavery was primarily used for agriculture in the South, mostly cotton plantations, for a period of US history. At their peak, 4 million slaves existed in the South.

      To say America of today was “built by slavery” is a gross exaggeration. America was built by many different ethnic groups and many different types of immigrants in many different capacities. The number of slaves is dwarfed by the number of non-slave immigrants which numbered tens of millions.

      Slaves and their descendants were certainly an important contributing factor to today’s America, economically and culturally.

      Built on slavery? No.

    858. NYCmike says:

      “South Carolina has no mask or social distancing mandate outdoors.”

      -Exactly, which is why that ESPN radio guy was probably just spouting his WOKE nonsense as pushed by the Disney Corp.

    859. Bitterlaw says:

      Slavery was a large part of the US economy prior to the Civil War. Some estimate that the value of the slaves (as computed by their sale price) was the largest component of the economy. It was still evil.

    860. lisab says:

      trivia: there were still 18 slaves in new jersey in 1860

    861. Bitterlaw says:

      And 331,059 in NC

    862. Wes says:

      It was just less evil in NJ and PA than in the South. Right, Bitter?

    863. NYCmike says:

      Slavery is evil.

      Wes, it’s not that hard.

    864. Wes says:

      You should tell that to Bitter, Mikey.

      On this very thread, he said slavery WAS (was=past tense) evil and dismissed it in Union states because the South had more slaves than the North.

    865. Bitterlaw says:

      It was evil everywhere in the US. However, the Northern states did not commit treason and go to war in 1861 to keep slavery going.

      NYC – Don’t waste your time. Wes will never say slavery in the US because he is an apologist for it. He feels compelled to defend it. That is why he calls it an outmoded economic system and refers to slaves as second class citizens (which would have amazed them to be considered as citizens at all). His reference to slavery as a blight and a cancer only referred to its effect on the slave owners and the slaves.

    866. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes will never say it was evil. I did, including in the North. He won’t.

    867. Wes says:

      You’re a goddamn liar, Bitter.

      Never once have I defended slavery. I do, however, call you out on your selective condemnation because your faux hatred comes not from any moral repugnance toward it but from your overt bigotry toward anything Southern.

      You use that issue as just a convenient football while ignoring or downplaying the role played by your beloved Northeast in the same system.

      You’re a hypocrite and liar who just can’t stand the fact that I call you out on your hypocrisy and bigotry.

    868. Bitterlaw says:

      The reason I said slavery in the US was evil was because it legally ended in 1865. Of course, Wes knew that. It effectively , but my legally, continued to varying degrees with Black Codes.

    869. Wes says:

      Actually I’ve already said slavery IS (notice present tense) evil, Bitter. The night I finally got you to admit Bob Menendez is evil after years of mocking you for not acknowledging that fact, I said those exact words.

    870. Bitterlaw says:

      Never once have I called slavery evil.

      I fixed it for you, Wes. Bless your heart.

    871. Wes says:

      Ah. There we go. Slavery pre-1865=evil in Bitter’s eyes.

      Slavery post-1865=not evil in Bitter’s eyes.

      I’m sure all those underage sex slaves Bob Menendez raped are happy you think pre-1865 slavery was evil.

    872. Wes says:

      Aside from the fact that 889 is an outright lie, Bitter…

    873. Bitterlaw says:

      Actually I’ve already said slavery IS (notice present tense) evil, Bitter.

      More word games by, Wes. Modern day slavery is evil but Southern slavery was not according to Wes. Just an outmoded economic system based on working and raping those second class citizens until they died.

    874. Bitterlaw says:

      Aside from the fact that 889 is an outright lie, Bitter…

      Not to everybody who read this thread.

    875. Bitterlaw says:

      Words used by Wes to describe slavery – outmoded economic system, blight, cancer, and second class citizens.

      Word NOT used by Wes to describe slavery – evil.

      Bless his heart.

    876. Wes says:

      I said Confederate slavery wasn’t evil when, Bitter? Find that quote.

      I did point out your parsing of words to dismiss modern slavery while criticizing slavery in the 1860s.

    877. Bitterlaw says:

      I said Confederate slavery wasn’t evil when, Bitter? Find that quote.

      Did you take a course from lisab? You still won’t say it was evil. And to be clear I said it was always evil in the US – everywhere. Your beloved Southerners committed treason and started a war to continue it. Or course, New York City considered secession in order to trade with both North and South but did not.

    878. Country Dick Montana says:

      Committed Treason, just like your beloved USA committed Treason and killed their fellow British citizens. All because the land speculators wanted to keep pushing west and the Crown was in the process of making peace with the native tribes.

      It’s funny how those big city northern micks sure wanted to keep their new black fellow citizens out of their unions and for sure out of their neighborhoods and schools. Do all the Irish hate blacks or just the unlike ones.

    879. lisab says:

      All because the land speculators wanted to keep pushing west and the Crown was in the process of making peace with the native tribes.
      —————-

      not true is our case

      we just didn’t want to pay the british taxes

    880. lisab says:

      not true **IN** our case

    881. lisab says:

      of course the red coats were annoying too

    882. Bitterlaw says:

      Of course the Founding Fathers committed treason. But they won.

      As for the Irish and shameful bigotry towards blacks, put it on our tab of shameful behavior.

    883. Country Dick Montana says:

      Bitter is Irish, therefore Bitter hates blacks. Bitter lives in Radnor where zoning and redlining have made it difficult for blacks to move in, especially the poor ones. A small price to pay for the best school district in PA. I bet if Bitter lives in a house built before 1945 there is even a covenant in the deed stating that the house will only be sold to whites.

      The biggest difference between Bitter and the majority of southern whites, especially the middle class ones, is that we actually have black friends and our kids go to truly diverse schools. No need for us to virtue signal.

    884. Tgca says:

      870

      Don’t be stoopid Jadon!

      You know this comment was in context to the original 13 colonies banding together in the 1780s to form a union to be free of England to form the US. It was not meant to incorporate the industrial Revolution of the 1800s and 1900s.

      Without commitment to slavery, there would have been no union of the states and therefore no US and the current contiguous continental US territory would have been like South America or Europe today with different countries and cultures competing against one another and periodic warring.

      The colonies had slaves with the majority concentration in the south. It would have been impossible to establish a nation if not for the reconciliation that slavery would continue and slaves would count as less than a full person in the US Constitution.

      The US had mainly an agricultural economy then that was devastated by the Revolutionary War and before the onset of machinery, slaves were used to greatly assist in farming land.

      Without slaves, the US would not have been able to get off the ground as a unified country. Slaves made up about 21% to 25% of the total colonial population.

      That was my point. I have made this point in previous discussions last year as well.

      So the country was initially built on backs of slaves because the country could not function without their cheap labor.

    885. Tgca says:

      878

      I agree slavery was evil but that is not the way the Founding Fathers saw it. Even Ben Franklin had slaves.

      To me slavery is evil just like ABORTION. But it is part of our history and no erasing it.

      But my point is that in its day, slavery was acceptable to unifying the colonies and starting the US.

      I think North America and the world would be very different had the 13 colonies not agreed on continuing slavery. This is the sad truth if our national origins.

      I think America has generally been a force for good in the world that otherwise may not been as good if there was never a US. Think WWII as an example. Would separate countries in what is now the contiguous US have banded together to fight WWII or would Germany have had some supporters ?

    886. lisab says:

      The biggest difference between Bitter and the majority of southern whites, especially the middle class ones, is that we actually have black friends and our kids go to truly diverse schools. No need for us to virtue signal.
      ————————————

      i did notice that in my ill-fated trip down south about 10 years ago

      blacks and whites lived and worked in somewhat the same communities

      i am sure there is still some geographic segregation, but anecdotally at least, i saw whites and blacks living and working side by side without issue

      (the north is definitely much more geographically segregated, usually by town and school district)

    887. lisab says:

      To me slavery is evil just like ABORTION. But it is part of our history and no erasing it.
      ——————

      nah

      you should blame slavery on wes

      and then run for congress

    888. Tgca says:

      881

      Wes

      The wealthiest and 2nd largest slave owner was Stephen Duncan, a PA born and bred aristocrat who ran his Otto business in the south. He had over a 1,000 slaves 2nd only to
      Joshua Ward who had nearly 1,100 slaves.

      It does not matter where the slaves were, it matters where the business was located.

    889. lisab says:

      hi country dick montana!

      hope life is treating you well

    890. lisab says:

      do you know what the republican party needs?!

      a congressman who belittles southerners

      wcpgw?

    891. Bitterlaw says:

      I see Wes has a new sidekick in CDM. Or is he Tgca’s sidekick. Does that make him part of the Inane Clown Posse? I meant to use inane. It was not autocorrected.

      If Radnor has no minorities, how were so many of them on my baseball, softball and basketball teams?

      The South has truly diverse schools (brought about by Federal court decisions that were bitterly opposed by white Southerners). But at least CDM has black friends so we know he is pure. Bless his heart.

      It really is amazing how many people thinking slavery was evil is considered a bad thing.

      Maybe CDM can answer a question that Wes won’t answer – Was slavery in the entire US evil?

    892. Tgca says:

      So Wes uses synonymous words to evil and Bitter complains because Wes doesn’t use Bitter’s exact choice of words.

      Bitter playing word games.

      Bitter has called for not having statues celebrating southerners from the Civil War and who opposed abolition of slavery.

      Does Bitter call for removal of all monuments recognizing Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, and all other Founding Father slaves owners?

      Should we wipe them from history and acknowledge they were evil as well?

    893. Bitterlaw says:

      I agree slavery was evil but that is not the way the Founding Fathers saw it. Even Ben Franklin had slaves.

      Wow. Wes just got fired as Wes’ sidekick. He also left out the part about Franklin freeing his slave and becoming an abolitionist.

    894. Tgca says:

      901

      I get it now!

      If you win that erases all your bad deeds but if you lose, you’re evil.

      So if Amerika is taken over by communists, then those Americans that overthrow our gubbermint are hero’s to Bitter because they won.

      So if Hitler won WW2 it would have been ok in Bitter’s eyes because he won I guess.

    895. Country Dick Montana says:

      Hey Bitter I didn’t say minority, I said Black and poor black. Just because you have a few Iraqi doctors and Indian finance guys doesn’t make you exactly black friendly. They are almost as white as you. Also, where I come from we tend to get along with Latinos, even marrying them at times.

      I have now idea what your problem is but Mrs CDM, who is a retired LCSW has an opinion or two in that subject. Pay more attention to Mrs Bitter and your kids. Doing things with them, even things you don’t like is a lot better than picking fights with strangers on the internet.

    896. jason says:

      Slavery was a large part of the US economy prior to the Civil War. Some estimate that the value of the slaves (as computed by their sale price) was the largest component of the economy”

      Yes but we have come a long way since the Civil War.

      “America was built on slavery” is BS.

    897. Bitterlaw says:

      Bitter has called for not having statues celebrating southerners from the Civil War and who opposed abolition of slavery.

      Does Bitter call for removal of all monuments recognizing Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, and all other Founding Father slaves owners?

      Should we wipe them from history and acknowledge they were evil as well?

      More lies. I said that although monuments to traitors should not have been erected because they were enemies of the US and killed Americans (just like there are no Benedict Arnold statues or schools or streets named for him), they should not be taken down. I would just ignore them and would not stop to look at them.

      Does Bitter call for removal of all monuments recognizing Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, and all other Founding Father slaves owners?

      Should we wipe them from history and acknowledge they were evil as well?

      No. I acknowledge that they were patriotic men who also practiced evil deeds. Again, I have not called for removing statues or monuments.

    898. jason says:

      I have seen enough.

      Both wes and Tgca are apologists for slavery.

      Now let’s move on.

    899. Bitterlaw says:

      They are almost as white as you.

      I was not aware there are degrees of whiteness. It seems that you are making categories of people, not me.

      I have now idea what your problem is but Mrs CDM, who is a retired LCSW has an opinion or two in that subject.

      Feel free to share.

    900. Bitterlaw says:

      i did notice that in my ill-fated trip down south about 10 years ago I made fun of Christians and shredded their hospitality towards me because they showed me different churches.

      Fixed it for you.

    901. Bitterlaw says:

      Pay more attention to Mrs Bitter and your kids. Doing things with them, even things you don’t like is a lot better than picking fights with strangers on the internet.

      Ironic from a person who came out of retirement to call me a racist and pick fights with me, a stranger, on the internet.

    902. Tgca says:

      912

      Franklin did that towards the latter part of his life after he secured his wealth, as he included their freedom in his will join his death.

      Franklin was a brilliant man but somehow only came to the conclusion slavery was evil when he really did not need them much anymore.

      Kinda like the millionaires and billionaires who hoard all their wealth and then pass it along late in life or after their death.

      How wonderfully noble.

    903. Country Dick Montana says:

      Don’t worry Bitter. She doesn’t think you will harm yourself. Of course she thinks half the people here are Bat chit crazy.

    904. Bitterlaw says:

      If you win that erases all your bad deeds but if you lose, you’re evil. Slavery was legal in England in 1776 so the Founding Fathers did not revolt to protect slavery.

      If you commit treason specifically in order to protect slavery, you are evil. Revisionist garbage about how only 3 guys in the entire Confederacy owned slaves, their slaves loved them, and slavery had absolutely nothing to do with the Civil War in 3…2…2…1…

    905. Bitterlaw says:

      Don’t worry Bitter. She doesn’t think you will harm yourself. Of course she thinks half the people here are Bat chit crazy.

      I would set the number much higher.

    906. Tgca says:

      Jadon

      Would the US have existed in its form today if slavery was abolished in the 1770s?

      Simple question. Yes or no?

      We are not apologists!
      We acknowledge slavery was evil!
      We acknowledge the Founding Fathers could not have unified the colonies into a nation if slavery was abolished!
      We acknowledge without slavery, the US could not have existed!
      Therefore, America would never had been and it would have been split up by various European nations.

      What do you not understand about that?

      I am not saying it was right because clearly by today’s context it is not but it was what the Founding Fathers agreed upon to create a union of states.

      Washington owned slaves while president.

      Was he evil?
      Was he an apologist?
      Should he be purged from the nation’s monuments and recognition as a great historical figure?

    907. Tgca says:

      923

      So the Founding Fathers did not realize slavery was evil is what you’re saying so they get a pass.

    908. Bitterlaw says:

      We are not apologists!
      We acknowledge slavery was evil! (except for Wes)

      Fixed it.

    909. Bitterlaw says:

      Would the US have existed in its form today if slavery was abolished in the 1770s?

      Yes.

    910. Bitterlaw says:

      I would elaborate but it was a yes or no question.

    911. Bitterlaw says:

      So the Founding Fathers did not realize slavery was evil is what you’re saying so they get a pass.

      They don’t get a pass from me. Some played word game like Wes does.

    912. Country Dick Montana says:

      So Bitter, after all of your postings of the last several days…what exactly is your point, and why is it worth wasting so much time on?

    913. Phil says:

      I’d like to know as well.

    914. Bitterlaw says:

      Washington owned slaves while president.

      Was he evil? Owning slaves was evil. Not sure how to put a percentage of total person on it.

      Was he an apologist? No. He kept his slaves.
      He made plans for his slaves to be freed AFTER his wife died. Such a humanitarian.

      Should he be purged from the nation’s monuments and recognition as a great historical figure? No

    915. Bitterlaw says:

      Simple. Since I started here, I said that I never want to live in the South for 3 reasons.

      1. Their drawls and fake sincerity annoy me.

      2. I need 4 distinct seasons.

      3. I don’t want to be surrounded by history many (like Wes. Tgclown, DW, and CDM) still revere and make excuses for.

      I like where I live – 12 miles from Independence Hall and a few hours from Gettysburg. It does make me sad that more traitors did not die there so Lee’s army would have been crushed and the war ended sooner.

      Despite the lies of Tgca and Wes, I have never said that Southerners are ignorant. uneducated, stupid or inferior. I do not believe that they are really that nice and it was not me to who invented the term “Bless his heart” to call somebody a moron.

      Of course, it is considered offensive for me to not want to live in the South but I hear repeatedly how terrible the Northeast is and how I am a racist for living in th best school district in PA.

    916. Bitterlaw says:

      I don’t want to live on the West Coast, either, but that is because the sun sets over the ocean and I can’t adapt this late in life. Oddly, California is beyond salvation from a political standpoint but nobody at HHR has any issue with people living there.

    917. Country Dick Montana says:

      Your heart is so foul and you are so full of venom it is no wonder that you are bitter. That I can stand, the self righteousness of a hypocrite is a different thing all together.

      That said though I do wish for you to be at peace at some point. For someone who loves misery and wishes it on others, perhaps wishing you peace is the cruelest thing one can do.

    918. Bitterlaw says:

      So I have to like insincerity, syrupy accents, boring weather and blood soaked history to gain your approval? Not worth it. Why do I have to move to or praise somewhere I don’t want to live?

      Any hope of me being at peace ended forever last year.

    919. Bitterlaw says:

      Your heart is so foul and you are so full of venom it is no wonder that you are bitter.

      Points, jason. Points.

    920. jason says:

      Biden Admin Authorizes BLM Messaging and Flying BLM Flag at US Embassies”

      Normal

    921. jason says:

      I think we have been caught in a time warp and are forever condemned to keep fighting the same memes over and over.

    922. Tgca says:

      So we have established that the Founding Fathers were fully aware of the evil of slavery but codified it into the US Constitution anyways.

      So clearly they committed acts of evil which suggests they at least at times must be evil since they were not forced to commit these evil acts but did so willingly.

      But it’s ok since it was collateral damage to get a United States.

      I think roughly 40 million AA may have a different viewpoint in that context.

    923. Bitterlaw says:

      The most peaceful place on Earth is the third base coach’s box after your player slides safely home.

    924. Tgca says:

      We have also established Bitter is a bigot!

      He is no better or worse than the white supremacists or KKK members who spew hatred based on the way others look and sound and act culturally and where they originate.

      If it’s bigoted and hateful to detest culturally the way:

      gay men and/or women speak or look or act

      AA speak or look or act

      Latinos speak or look or act

      …then why is it not bigoted and hateful to detest culturally the way southerners speak or look or act?

      A bigot is a bigot is a bigot I thay!

    925. Bitterlaw says:

      No judgment, clown. I just don’t want to live there. Why are the people who don’t want to live in the Northeast considered bigots?

    926. Tgca says:

      If anyone thinks the 13 colonies in the 1770s and 1780s would have joined together to form a US under the premise that slavery would be abolished, clearly needs to go back and read history.

      It would not have happened and forever changed the course of American history and not for the good I think because we would still be separate European-like nations instead of one large United States.

      LA would be inextricably linked to France, as Florida would be to Spain, the southwest and CA to Mexico, etc and there most likely would not have been any manifest destiny and numerous wars in between over territories and natural resources…in other words, a bickering Europe.

    927. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca – Rest assured that the reason we can never be friends has nothing to do with your background, your heritage, your ethnicity, or sexuality. I don’t know what you sound like and you won’t call me. You are an insufferable douche. You have created a caricature of me to attack that is completely false. I do not want to be liked by you because I refuse to validate your lies about me.

      I used to think you were humorous and worthy of respect for achieving success in life. I was completely wrong about you. You are an insecure little man who can’t be happy unless you are attacking the caricature of me you created.

    928. Tgca says:

      944

      You show judgment and contempt for them BIGOT in your repeated words.

      Most people would say they don’t like the weather or landscape or pace but when you say it’s because you don’t like the way people act culturally or sound, that’s being a bigot.

      If you said you don’t want to live in southern CA because you don’t like the way people sound, referring to Latinos of course, you are being a bigot.

      You are the only one here that does not seem to understand that your specific comments about a group of people are bigoted.

    929. lisab says:

      LA would be inextricably linked to France, as Florida would be to Spain
      —————-

      trivia: actually florida was a british colony when the revolutionary war started

      they just did not join the 13 colonies

    930. Bitterlaw says:

      So I have to lie and pretend to like fake sincerity to gain your approval? Are you saying it’s ok for me hate the weather and history of the South but I have to love the drawl?

    931. Tgca says:

      946

      Oh here we go again with PityBitter.

      Everyone is out to get Bitter. He does not know why he comes here because everyone is soooo mean to him.

      Boo hoo! You whiney lil Bish!

      1st, I never asked for your sympathy or respect of my life experiences.

      I don’t need your acknowledgement to validate my existence but somehow you keep bringing that up as if it is of importance to have your approval.

      That’s a perfect example of your self-superiority and inability to relate to others outside your neighborhood.

      You think your approval is actually valued by all here.

      Believe me. I neither look to or need your acknowledgement or recognition.

      As for calling other names, that’s what you resort to with your pathetic self-pity.

      You constantly degrade others and their families when you’re frustrated. You behave like an adolescent girl.

      You have become the new MD here except you won’t leave here because you need an outlet to constantly fight with others because I assume you have nothing better going on in your pitiful life.

      I don’t waste my day fantasizing about no longer existing like you simply because I don’t need constant pity and attention like you. It’s all a ploy for attention.

      You’re a coward afraid of change and coping with life passing you by and refuse to adapt like normal people.

      That’s why you’ll always be bitter and miserable.

    932. Bitterlaw says:

      I like country music but the accent is less grating when sung.

      A lot of people hate the Noo Yawk and Bah-stun accents. They must be bigots, right?

    933. NYCmike says:

      Yikes!

      I come by for 2 minutes and then get real busy at work, and all heck breaks loose!

      I don’t understand why such venom is being pissed about, by just about all of you.

      Let’s get a grip, people.

    934. NYCmike says:

      And while I think Bitter is way too WOKE, and I don’t particularly like some of his flippant responses, I don’t see why people are going after him with such anger.

    935. Bitterlaw says:

      The angry clown appears. You said you were leaving on January 20, 2021 at noon. Obviously not. You constantly seek validation by reminding us repeatedly of all of your challenges. Your constant “Look at me! I grew up poor. Look at me! I’m gay. Look at me! My life is perfect. Look at me! I eat paper!” is worn out.

      I don’t need to move. I am not taking any more Bar exams. You move because you have no reason to stay anywhere. What are you running from? What are you looking for that you can’t find?

    936. Bitterlaw says:

      NYC – Jason took me off the Woke List.

    937. NYCmike says:

      I have lived in 3 cities – all of them are reaching new, higher levels of violence at this time.

      The next place may reject me……I won’t tell anyone if I move……

    938. NYCmike says:

      “NYC – Jason took me off the Woke List.”

      -Who gave the A-Hole the ability to purge?

    939. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca thinks he “adapts” but he really just flees one place for another. I hope he settles somewhere if only for his dog’s sake.

    940. Bitterlaw says:

      Unlike the Bitterlaw-Tgca relationship which is destroyed beyond repair, Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez seem back together.

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9614199/Ben-Affleck-joins-Jennifer-Lopez-gym-starts-wearing-silver-watch-gifted-2002.html

    941. Tgca says:

      954

      Oh here we go again with your decades of faux rage lashing out at others by using things people shared against them like you did when LisaB lost her child, degrading Wes’ wife for no reason, or mocking people’s relations with their deceased relatives.

      This is your MO yet you use your family to seek sympathy constantly but then you judge others on their relationships and family.

      You pathetically tried to play Mr. Noble letting us all know you begged to pull the plug on your poor niece simply so you could garner more attention. I’m surprised you didn’t ask to have it filmed so you could download it on your phone to show others how noble you could be.

      What must your brother really think of you other than pity your existence when you made the unfortunate sad death of his daughter all about YOU!

      You question other’s relationships and draw false conclusions but you claim to have a wonderful family but you’re stuck in PityLand strumming your miserable tune with no regard to them.

      I can’t imagine why someone who claims to have so much family love is sooooo pathetic and miserable and could care less if he lives or not and is evidently all alone even though you’re surrounded by family daily.

      Is your wife over you and you’re afraid to admit it? Is that why you’re here every night fighting with someone? Are you afraid she’ll give up on your limp dick for a real man?

      Maybe that’s it? Poor lady should be given a humanitarian award for dealing with your adolescent girly drama.

      You are the spitting images of my pathetic mother. It must be a Jersey thing.

    942. Tgca says:

      Ok. It’s time for my beauty sleep as Bitter seethes the night away about all the injustices upon him by others at HHR and …well…everyone everywhere all the time.

    943. Bitterlaw says:

      I told the story about my niece because it was the worst thing that ever happened to me. I was stupid to share it. I would never expect sympathy from this pit of vipers.

      Fortunately, you will never have to endure losing somebody you care about again because you don’t have anybody except your food-whore pet.

      You are here every night fighting with somebody but primarily me. What does that say about you? Do you even bother to unpack your boxes or do you keep them by the front door so it will be easier to run away from yourself?

    944. lisab says:

      I told the story about my niece because it was the worst thing that ever happened to me. I was stupid to share it
      ——————

      but you keep sharing it …

    945. Wes says:

      Welcome to Joe Biden’s America–a place so bad even the comments section of a polling blog is No Man’s Land.

    946. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca – I am done with you. Despite what you think, I do not enjoy coming up with new ways to say increasingly vicious things to you.

      Lisab- I forgot that I even mentioned the story about taking my niece off life support until Tgca brought it up. I am done with you as well. You are just not worth the time or effort.

    947. Bitterlaw says:

      Well. Not much else to discuss today.

    948. Bitterlaw says:

      I will miss not being able to discuss ABORTION with anybody.

    949. Bitterlaw says:

      I will take Stories that British Media will report months before American Media for $1,000

      What is the origin of COVID-19?

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9615117/A-year-left-wing-news-TRASHED-theory-COVID-originated-Wuhan-lab-outlets-idea.html

    950. Phil says:

      Hundreds of Chinese war planes took part in a giant war games exercise in the South China Sea yesterday. The exercise featured low flying bombing runs and multiple missile saturation attacks.

      Not to worry. Our BLM Secretary of Defense and his woke Biden Pentagon are totally on it. They are fighting the real enemy in weeding out of all four branches those bad old Trumpees and getting our military sufficiently woke. The Chinese will be no match for our LBGT brigades.

      The Chinese are quaking in their boots.

    951. jason says:

      “NYC – Jason took me off the Woke List.”

      -Who gave the A-Hole the ability to purge?”

      A-hole powers are God given.

    952. Tgca says:

      Jadon hardest hit!

      For breakfast I had a bite size cauliflower, Swiss cheese, and egg frittata, a bite size breakfast patty, and an 8 oz serving of watermelon and cucumber flavored water for a total whopping 250 calories with 20 grams of protein to get my day started in the manliest of manly ways.

      Yummee!

      Remember…

      Eat to live NOT live to eat.

    953. Phil says:

      Beto mulling run against Abbott.

      MSM just can’t get enough of Beto.

      Attention Hollywood! Get those bucks flowing!

    954. Bitterlaw says:

      Phil – Does nobody else want to lose an election? Why does Beto keep running? I keep running and losing but I would think a state the size of Texas has to have somebody else.

    955. Phil says:

      Beto is a legend in his own mind, bitter. You are correct to assume he doesn’t have a chance in hell against Abbott. On some level Beto knows it. He lost to an unpopular Cruz in 2018 in the most Democratic year since 2008 with a 2-1 money advantage. That same year, Abbott, ran ten points ahead of Cruz at the top of the ballot.

      Add to that Beto’s “hell yes we’re coming to get your guns” gaff as well as his open borders remarks over the last six months and the campaign ads write themselves.

      If he runs it is to feed his massive ego with all the accolades he’ll get from Hollywood and the fawning MSM. As far as his prospects of winning, they are exactly nil.

      Doubt very much he runs. He’s a double digit loser. I’d love it however as it would divert massive amounts of campaign donations from progressives that could go to Democratic candidates with an actual chance in competitive races. It would be similar to all the Hollywood money that went down the drain to Wendy Davis a decade ago.

    956. Phil says:

      So I see Biden is meeting at the WH with George Floyd’s family. George Floyd. Lifetime criminal. Let’s put his face on Mt Rushmore.

    957. NYCmike says:

      https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2021/05/24/son-of-hamas-founder-urges-israel-to-take-down-hamas-leaders-even-during-ceasefire-n1449286

      ““Hamas was very disappointed by the Abraham Accords that ignored them completely,” he said of the historic peace deals that the Trump administration coordinated between Israel and many Arab Muslim states in 2020. Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Muslim-majority Kosovo, Sudan, and Morocco formally acknowledged the state of Israel, and Saudi Arabia was well on the way. “It’s the new reality that President Donald Trump made in the region. This is a new reality and Hamas is not prepared to accept it.””

      ““The Middle East understood Trump’s language very well. It was the language of fire. He did not show lots of tolerance,” Mosab Yousef explained. “The seventh-century mentality of the Middle East misunderstands tolerance as weakness.””

    958. NYCmike says:

      Prediction:

      “CG” will ignore the “new reality” that Trump made, and instead make a stupid comment about how I got the name of the Abraham Accords wrong last week.

    959. jason says:

      For breakfast I had a bite size cauliflower”

      Gaye…., huh, why bother….

    960. NYCmike says:

      Hmmmm…..does jason prefer full-mouth-size portions? Of beef?

    961. lisab says:

      “CG” will ignore the “new reality” that Trump made,
      ———————-

      biden has pretty much destroyed all of that

    962. NYCmike says:

      “biden has pretty much destroyed all of that”

      -Wrong. According to “CG”, Biden is pro-Israel……and that’s that!

    963. lisab says:

      Wrong. According to “CG”, Biden is pro-Israel……and that’s that!
      —————————–

      he did not necessarily mean a jewish run israel

      it is like when the gop establishment say they are not for open borders,

      they fully intend to keep american samoa’s border closed, well … mostly closed

    964. lisab says:

      and they don’t support illegal aliens either

      they intend to make them legal

    965. Bitterlaw says:

      I asked the Wizard for a new thread.

    966. jason says:

      Why don’t you start your own blog and then you can have as many threads as you like.

    967. Bitterlaw says:

      Why don’t you start your own blog and then you can have as many threads as you like.

      WTF GFY

      I just did not want to get timed out. I have NEVER questioned how Dave runs HHR.

    968. Bitterlaw says:

      I am done with Tgca and lisab. Is jason looking to fill the gap?

    969. Wes says:

      It’s a good thing Bitter and Jason support war ad infinitum. They’re never going to stop their personal one apparently.

    970. Bitterlaw says:

      You can stretch the A-holes apart but they always snap back in place.

    971. Wes says:

      Hm.

      Bitterlaw must be a fan of p orn.

    972. Tgca says:

      I guess I’m not getting a Christmas card from Radnor, PA this yeah.

      Oh Pooh!

      🙁