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    McAuliffe Leads Youngkin By 4% in VA

    We have another new poll in the newly joined race for Governor in Virginia, this time from JMC Analytics, that shows Glenn Youngkin still holding Terry McAuliffe under 50%.

    GOVERNOR – VIRGINIA (WPA)
    Terry McAuliffe (D) 46%
    Glenn Youngkin (R) 42%

    This poll was done June 9-12 among 550 likely voters.

    Posted by Dave at 9:19 pm
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    727 Responses to “McAuliffe Leads Youngkin By 4% in VA”

    1. Wes says:

      It’s good to see Youngkin is keeping TMac from running away with the race.

    2. Bitterlaw says:

      I wonder if Biden will drag TMac down. Even Virginia may not love the new President as much as they hated the prior one. If TMac tries to make Trump into Youngkin’s running mate, does he want Youngkin to make Biden his running mate?

    3. Tgca says:

      Tres Bebe! Tres!

    4. Tgca says:

      Cuatro Bebe! Cuatro!

    5. Tgca says:

      Cinco Bebe! Cinco!

    6. Wes says:

      I’m currently watching The Wolf Man starring Creighton Tull Chaney (Lon Chaney, Jr). These old Universal monster movies certainly aren’t among the best acted films ever made (though Chaney does a fine job in his role), but they excel at atmosphere, use of lighting, and set design.

      Modern horror directors tend to prefer spectacle to atmosphere and use the movie simply to create an obligatory downbeat ending, no matter how implausible or illogical given the film’s established rules, and turn the film into a lengthy preview for an inevitable sequel. It’s as if the studios are afraid to actually give the audience any payoff or catharsis after investing time in the film.

      I’m not saying a downbeat ending should never happen. For instance, The Fly (1986) and Event Horizon (1997) end grimly but complete their stories and provide logic to their conclusions. Unfortunately such films are the exception rather than the rule.

    7. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      7. I knew Lon Chaney, Jr.’s son. His name was Lon R. Chaney, and he lived in rural San Diego County. We were both involved in local land use issues (Peter Navarro was active at the time as well, mostly in the city). Another person with a famous name was Bela Lugosi – a descendant of the original ghoul. A lot of Hollywood actors retired to rural areas of Sam Diego.

    8. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      8. San Diego*

    9. Wes says:

      Anna Paulina Luna had much promise after her fairly close loss to veteran political sleazeball Charlie Crist (Whatever is expedient at the time-FL). Unfortunately it now looks as if Republicans need to find a more mentally stable candidate for this seat:

      https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2021/06/14/anna-paulina-luna-says-potential-political-opponents-conspired-to-kill-her/

    10. Gordon Allen says:

      What does she think? Her opponents are Hillary Clinton clones?

    11. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Peter Daszak, who was close to Fauci, appears to have engaged in a cover-up regarding bats at the Wuhan lab. It is hard to believe Fauci was not aware of it. This has hit the point of being almost criminal.

      “Markson pointed towards one member of the World Health Organization team investigating the origin of the pandemic in Wuhan, Peter Daszak, and noted the zoologist said it was a conspiracy to suggest bats were held at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

      “No BATS were sent to Wuhan lab for genetic analysis of viruses collected in the field. That’s now how this science works. We collect bat samples, send them to the lab. We RELEASE bats where we catch them!” Daszak tweeted in Dec 2000.

      Markson told Carlson: “People like Peter Daszak insisted that it was a conspiracy theory – he used the term in a tweet from December 2020 – that it was a conspiracy theory to say that there were bats in the lab.

      “He’s an official WHO, World Health Organisation, investigator who went into Wuhan to supposedly investigate the origins of the virus earlier this year and it was completely false.

      “This new footage shows that there were bats being kept in the Wuhan Institute of Virology and it’s something Peter Daszak has had to admit, has had to correct just this month…”

    12. Phil says:

      Luna is obviously a loon. One less Democratic sear in play.

    13. Gordon Allen says:

      Leftists know one thing
      Their tracks will always be covered

    14. Wes says:

      Highly unlikely Dems keep that seat, Phil, since it’s on the redistricting chopping block.

    15. Phil says:

      Yeah, you may be right, Wes. I read a little history on that district. Seems the seat had been in Republican hands since the 1950s and only went Democratic the last couple of cycles because the courts redrew it to include a bunch of Democratic precincts in St. Petersburg.

      You know, when you think about it, partisan state courts cost Republicans three seats in Pa and two seats in NC….and then this one. Could be that Crist opted not to run again there because of the prospect of redistricting. Thing is, why in the world is he choosing to run for governor instead? That’s not any better prospect in my opinion. Decidedly uphill vs DeSantis. How’s that for optimism, bitter?

    16. Gordon Allen says:

      Why do you think Crist is running in a no hope governor’s race? As opposed to a no hope Congressional race?

    17. Phil says:

      Who knows, Gordon? The guy is a tool. Has run for every office in Florida imaginable – and under every party banner possible – Democratic, Republican, Independent.

    18. Wes says:

      Crist is the only person in US history to run for the top offices in his state and lose each under a different partisan affiliation. He lost against Bob Graham for the Senate in 1998 as a Republican. He lost to Marco Rubio for Senate again in 2010 as an Indy. He lost to Rick Scott for Governor as an Indy in 2014. He will lose to Ron DeSantis for Governor as a Democrat in 2022.

      He has the core convictions of a jellyfish, and I hope he exits politics permanently next year.

    19. Tgca says:

      7. Wes

      I am a fan of the old monster movies from the 30s and early 40s. I have a series of them in collector additions from Dracula, Wolfman, and Frankenstein and a number of their sequels. I never tired of watching these re-runs on TV in my yoot.

      I don’t think the acting was bad, I think that was the style of acting in the 30s until it gradually changed through the 40s and 50s to evolve to what it is today.

      Acting (and make-up) was often purposely melodramatic even though ordinary everyday folks did not necessarily express such mannerisms. At that point, film was just coming out of its infancy stage where purposeful melodrama was important to attract people to the silent cinema.

      People flocked to movies in the 20s and 30s as a form of escapism from everyday life challenges. That is why the big elaborate shows were so well-received in the depression as well. People loved escaping into the world of the Marx Brothers or Astaire/Rogers movies. They knew everyday people did not live like that but that was at a point in our nation when immigrants came to America and along with US citizens had great hopes of dreams of a better life, as opposed to many folks today that just want to look for the worst in our society and complain.

      Though this was a time of great personal challenges for so many in America, this grit and determination of the American spirit did spawn the greatest generation and push America to the forefront as a world leader.

      Movies were a big part of that propaganda so to speak to rally people around the American spirit and to try and do good.

    20. Phil says:

      Wes, your comment on his lack of core values is right on the mark. In 2012 as sitting governor, he was the favorite for the open Senate seat as A Republican – then Rubio announced and he fell 20 puts behind in the primary polls. At that point he barnstormed the state telling everyone “he was a proud Reagan Republican” to try and cut into Rubio’s lead. When it wasn’t working he dropped out of the Republican Primary to run as an independent. Five years after that he becomes a Democrat.

      Yes, conviction of a jellyfish is definitely correct.

    21. Tgca says:

      22 Phil

      Agreed!

      To be fair though Rubio was an opportunist as well who ran against Crist, claiming he was the real FL conservative, and then went to DC and changed his stripes to fit in with the Gang of 8 and lectured us all on what the GOP needed to change into to keep from losing support.

      Remember the Time cover of Rubio as the GOP savior?

      Rubio was being touted as the Savior of the GOP which was accused of neglecting opportunities with the Latino community and Rubio was going to save the GOP and open doors with the Latinos to make the GOP relevant again.

      As we all know, Rubio was arrogant and bought into his own hype and clearly not ready for the big time and had a huge comeuppance after Christi ridiculed him on national TV and he stood there all wide-eyed and kept repeating his rehearsed lines, not knowing how else to counter Christi. He looked like a school boy who did not know what to do in front of the audience, as the experienced Christi destroyed him in humiliating fashion.

      Thereafter, in desperation, Rubio delved into childish antics to compete with Trump that ended badly for him for which he later apologized for embarrassing himself and his family. He subsequently lost his own state big time to Trump in the primary and has never really recovered from it all and is no longer seen as that Great Latin Hope he and DC establishment tried to make him into, as intellectually, he was outshined by Cruz, who though not very likeable, is far ahead of Rubio in intelligence and being able to articulate and debate a point in real time without rehearsed lines.

      So though I was not a fan of what Crist became, I was also not a fan of how Rubio immediately changed as well when he went to DC.

    22. jason says:

      Hard to believe he was once a “Reagan” Republican. He actually voted for HR1 and all the other moonbat bills.

      He is about as much a Reagan Republican as the Biden Troll.

    23. jason says:

      Nothing wrong with Rubio, what a bunch of baloney.

    24. jason says:

      Rubio is actually a real conservative when compared to a fake conservative like Trump, let’s get real.

    25. Wes says:

      I understand what you’re saying, Tg. In its early days until The Jazz Singer (1927) came out, film was basically filmed pantomime interspersed with title cards. This required exaggerated expression. For example, Max Schreck in Nosferatu (1922) and Brigitte Helm in Metropolis (1927) exaggerated their movements to convey the actions of their characters.

      Regardless of histrionics though, more believable performances even in Monster movies started becoming an expectation in the early ’30s. For instance, see Fredric March’s performance in Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, which won him an Oscar. The indifferent acting in some of the later movies was more due to decreased budgets, I feel, as directors in genre films couldn’t afford to do retakes to get the desired reaction out of an actor. It doesn’t bother me as I love the movies, but I do find it noteworthy.

    26. Tgca says:

      27. Wes

      I remember when I 1st saw Nosferatu. It was on grainy fuzzy hard to receive obscure TV channel on a small table top TV I was watching while doing my math homework when I was like in 10th grade. I came across it by accident in changing the channels. I was immediately drawn to this freaky movie, as I had never seen that depiction of a vampire before, being used to the Bela Lugosi and Christopher Lee portrayals.

      Nosferatu was creepy and just hideous looking with those long nails, pointy ears, and protruding sharp teeth which made him look like he descended from a bat.

    27. Tgca says:

      27

      Yes, over time acting became less overtly melodramatic as movie-going expanded greatly in the 30s, and audiences became more accustomed to film as a favorite pastime. But I do believe it was a technique purposely employed. Just like I thought Brando over-acted in some of his early films, especially his “Stella wailing” in A Streetcar Named Desire, as I could not ever imagine any “normal” guy from the streets behaving in that manner. Perhaps James Dean was a bit more original in his overly dramatic portrayals.

      You also saw a lot of the overacting of “tough broads” in western movies of the 50s and ghettoization in the Black exploitation films of the early 70s. Again, I believe these were designed acting portrayals to meet an audience standard. You would not generally see this today, even though looking back 30 years from now, people will look at movies today and see similar melodramatic techniques.

      I think each decade has some sort of technique that many followed to fit in with the times, just like much of the music genres moved in sync from decade to decade. I can appreciate that standard though I may not agree with it totally.

    28. Tgca says:

      29

      Lastly on this subject, I recall thinking, God, the way people grabbed one another and shove their faces together in forceful kisses in the 40s and 50s movies, I would not be surprised people did not end up breaking teeth or noses. I guess this was considered a romantic gesture then. If you did that today, people would be “yo Bish you smashed up my lip.”

    29. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Biden is rambling away at a news conference after his meeting with Putin. It is genuinely frightening.

    30. NYCmike says:

      ” It is genuinely frightening.”

      -SDC,

      I’ll need “CG” to give me a more balanced opinion about how wonderfully our President spoke, Thank You very much!

    31. Phil says:

      Biden rambles and acts incoherent.

      Media covers for him and conveys message that there is nothing to see here.

      Electorate buys media version that everything is entirely normal. Biden approval remains at 54%

      Rinse and repeat…over and over and over again.

      Come on San Diego. Biden could drool all over himself and the media would just ignore it.

      The left controls the entire media. Nothing to see here would be the message – and it would stick. The side that controls the propaganda is always the victor. That’s why I chuckle when I hear posters on this site assure us that Republicans are going to make a comeback. Won’t happen in the New America.

    32. lisab says:

      You also saw a lot of the overacting of “tough broads” in western movies of the 50s and ghettoization in the Black exploitation films of the early 70s.
      ———————————

      i don’t know what you are talking about

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UXl3LGnRR4

    33. Tgca says:

      I could watch this video all day.

      Coke’s market value supposedly dropped $4B after this.

      Bitter in hiding after Cristiano smacks him down hard.

      https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/cristiano-ronaldo-tanks-coca-cola/

    34. lisab says:

      I’ll need “CG” to give me a more balanced opinion about how wonderfully our President spoke,
      ———————

      just ask bitter to explain it to you from all sides

    35. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Putin is making out like a bandit. Am sure he is chuckling over the elderly simpleton he just had a meeting with.

      As John McCain once said, the Russian economy is basically a giant gas station. Almost 50% of it’s income is from oil and gas; 87% of it is exported to Europe. Despite it’s green dreams, natural gas is still the major source of electricity in Europe. They could replace much of it with U.S. LNG, but it would more expensive. So they claim U.S. LNG has high carbon emissions – actually Russian gas production carbon emissions are higher. It’s total BS. Yet at the same time Europe demands the U.S. spend a massive amount of money to defend them from a potential Russian attack. They are like spoiled children, which is why Trump called them out on it.

    36. Tgca says:

      YES!!!

      India revokes Twitter’s protection status and now treats it as a publisher and makes them legally responsible for its content because of Twitter’s arrogance for not being responsive to their requests.

      According to the article, Twitter can now be questioned by authorities and prosecuted for any content that comes under Indian laws. I assume that is both civil and criminal.

      This could be the start of the domino effect in Europe too and then the US to regulate Big Tech.

      https://www.rt.com/news/526669-india-twitter-legal-protections/

    37. jason says:

      Someone went off the agreed script?

      NN’s @KaitlanCollins
      : “Why are you so confident [Putin] will change his behavior, Mr. President?”

      Biden: “I’m not confident I’m going to change his behavior. What the hell? What do you do all the time? When did I say I was confident? I said….let’s get it straight…

    38. Gordon Allen says:

      Western Europe/EU is circling histories drain pipe
      They don’t count for a lot and will count for less as time goes by. The European part of history ended in 1945.
      Trump just saw it earlier.
      Their absurd ” green dreams” and acceptance of dependence on Russia
      marks unserious people,not even mentioning their open borders policies.
      Unfortunately we have those people running Washington today,and unless we wake up and smell the coffee well join them circling the drain
      Having a demented fool in the White House is NOT “normal” or one as House Speaker.

    39. NYCmike says:

      “YES!!!”

      -Of course, this will force Twitter to censor even more.

      Trump and the Republican Congress should have done something early in 2017.

    40. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      34. “Biden approval remains at 54%”

      Actually two newer polls are showing Biden’s popularity is falling:

      Monmouth Poll: Biden Approval: 49%; Disapprove 43%

      YouGov/Economist Poll: Biden
      Approval: 48%; Disapprove 45%

      Rasmussen has Biden’s approval at 50%, and 48% disapproval.

      The Biden honeymoon is ending.

    41. jason says:

      Yet at the same time Europe demands the U.S. spend a massive amount of money to defend them from a potential Russian attack.”

      Zzzzz…

      Do you know what would happen to the US economy and the stock market and the job market if Russia invaded Europe? What would happen long term geopolitically if Europe was “given” to Russia and what would be the consequences to the US?

      I know the isolationists don’t want to address these questions, they idiotically want to frame it as “Europe should pay its share”.

      The idea that the NATO alliance is not important to the US and that it is not in our interest to protect Europe is one of Trump’s stupidest ideas.

      It was stupid then and it is stupid now.

    42. jason says:

      Western Europe/EU is circling histories drain pipe
      They don’t count for a lot and will count for less as time goes by. The European part of history ended in 1945.”

      Zzzzzz…… probably one of the most ignorant statement ever at HHR.

      “Peace in our time”.

      Gordon is the Neville Chamberlain of HHR.

    43. lisab says:

      the 16 companies/industries that biden warned putin not to hack

      16. child day care
      15. nike shoes
      14. flower shops
      13. the blm national headquarters
      12. myspace
      11. pinterest
      10. instagram
      9. sesame street
      8. pixar
      9. the mandalorian
      8. the game stop
      7. ben and jerry’s
      6. coca cola
      5. Biggie Smalls, the best rapper alive
      4. mlb
      3. the nba
      2. the nfl
      1. hhr

    44. jason says:

      Why Dems want the “pro” act…

      ” Salesmen for Frito Lay in Del Rio and Eagle Pass, Texas have successfully removed officials of Teamsters Local 657 from their workplace. On May 13, 2021, John Adams filed a petition with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) for a decertification election, and gathered enough of his coworkers’ signatures to trigger an NLRB-supervised vote to remove the union from his workplace. He received free legal assistance from the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation in exercising his right to have the vote conducted by the NLRB.

      The workers at both facilities voted on June 3. In the NLRB tally of ballots, Teamsters union officials failed to gain the support of a majority of the salesmen voting. On June 11 the NLRB certified the results of the decertification election and announced that Teamsters bosses no longer have the monopoly authority to impose their “representation” on the Frito Lay salesmen.”

    45. jason says:

      I think Putin already hacked HHR and is posting under the name of Gordon Allen.

    46. NYCmike says:

      WTF is jason the A-Hole speaking about?

      Gordon is pointing out the folly of European countries, yet jason brings up Neville Chamberlain, who would have approved of the current policy moves.

    47. lisab says:

      10 to 12 of the largest 25 economies in the world are in europe

      depending on how you define economy

      and 4 of the top 10

      germany, uk, france and italy

    48. NYCmike says:

      “I think Putin already hacked HHR and is posting under the name of Gordon Allen.”

      -Again, Gordon is pointing out that Europe is now dependent on Russia, and that’a a bad thing……..yet here is jason saying that Gordon is speaking in favor of Putin.

    49. Tgca says:

      45

      Today, Russia is a much smaller threat to Europe than China is to Asia and the rest of the world.

      Yes, the US should be engaged as a world leader to keep alliances such as NATO but what Trump was trying to do was to get Europe to step up and equitably fund their share for their own protection so it was not left on the US to do so, as clearly, they were taking advantage of the US finding of NATO.

      Suggesting we have to do it or fear-mongering Russia MAY invade Europe is giving into those countries that can afford to fund equitably but do not.

      That’s like saying we need to pay more taxes for those that expect gubbermint benefits but refuse to work when they are able bodied, or else the gubbermint will go bankrupt and kill our economy.

      It’s not a defensible or convincing argument.

    50. lisab says:

      history has been unkind to Neville Chamberlain

      britain did not have an army on the mainland of europe until after germany invaded poland, so there wasn’t much he could actually do but threaten

      france was far more at fault, they could and should have intervened when germany marched into the rhineland

    51. lisab says:

      pretty much every major country in asia hates/fears china

      they don’t really have any friends

    52. lisab says:

      of course they can buy friends

    53. Tgca says:

      43. NYC

      True! I was waiting for Big Tech to be reigned in but thanks to McConnell, part of DC establishment, he could care less of what happens as long as he keeps his power, whether in majority or minority, and continues to get his slice of the DC pie.

      McConnell made no serious effort to curtail Big Tech and his family is in bed with the Chinese businesses too that Big Tech craves access to so why would he do anything that is not in his personal interest.

      Like Pelosi, his time has come and gone, and he should be ousted.

      The GOP could work with certain Dems because there are a number of them that also wish to reign in Big Tech, albeit for other reasons.

    54. Tgca says:

      Wow!

      Talk about unprofessional and bullying behavior by a leader.

      Will CNN now fire this reporter for asking legitimate questions that Biden does not like?

      ” What The Hell?!” Biden Loses It After CNN Reporter Shouts Putin Question.”

      https://trends.gab.com/item/60ca4767cf26db4fc3c663e9

    55. jason says:

      yet here is jason saying that Gordon is speaking in favor of Putin.”

      If you don’t think NATO is important you are speaking in favor of Putin.

      GFY.

    56. jason says:

      Gordon is pointing out the folly of European countries,”

      No, he is saying Europe is no longer important.

      Tell me you agree with this idiocy, I wouldn’t be surprised.

      “Western Europe/EU is circling histories drain pipe
      They don’t count for a lot and will count for less as time goes by. The European part of history ended in 1945.ended in 1945.”

    57. Tgca says:

      I know this is all propaganda against the US so no one believes Putin has US citizens best interests in mind.

      That being said, Putin is a master at disinformation and used the treatment of the Jan 6th protestors and trespassers very well against Biden to show hypocrisy and that Biden failed in his attempt to show he could go head-to-head with such an experienced and conniving leader as Putin when questioning violating people’s rights.

      In fact, US journalists should be questioning this treatment of the protestors and not some communist dictator making a mockery of the US which really draws this into political theatrics as Trump protestors are jailed and Dem approved protestors committing much more heinous acts are ignored.

      Anyone abroad watching this and familiar with the news must think Joe is not ready for prime time against Putin.

      https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/putin-u-s-keeps-trump-political-prisoners-in-jail/

    58. jason says:

      history has been unkind to Neville Chamberlain”

      Nah, he was a moron.

      He didn’t even threaten, he completely misjudged Hitler.

      He was a weak, gullible fool.

      He deserves all the ridicule he gets.

    59. jason says:

      WTF is jason the A-Hole speaking about?

      Gordon is pointing out the folly of European countries, yet jason brings up Neville Chamberlain, who would have approved of the current policy moves.”

      You really are a moron.

      If there is one thing Putin would love more than anything is for the US to abandon NATO.

    60. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      53. Well said Tgca. The free ride that some European countries have gotten regarding defense spending needs to end. Poland and other former eastern block nations in Europe agree with the U.S.

    61. jason says:

      This is CNN:

      “CNN’s @jimsciutto gushes over Biden shaking hands w/ Putin: “The handshake, Biden looked in the eye of Putin with a smile and Putin looked away … These [moments] are about public posturing and about how you project strength.”

    62. jason says:

      Well said Tgca. The free ride that some European countries have gotten regarding defense spending needs to end. Poland and other former eastern block nations in Europe agree with the U.S.”

      Zzzz….simplistic drivel.

      No country has benefited more from the stability that NATO has brought for decades than the US.

      You still haven’t answered my question.

      If NATO is not in the interest of the US, what will happen to the US economy, the US job market, and the US stock market if Russia invades Europe?

    63. NYCmike says:

      Did someone in this thread say to get rid of NATO?

      If so, please copy and paste that comment.

      Thanks.

    64. Gordon Allen says:

      I loath Putin, and in fact Russia.Anyone who claims that is as drooling as a rabid dog, or as dumb as a dead cockroach.
      ITS BECAUSE the EU and WESTERN Europe are so spineless and useless that I despise them.
      Russia is only a threat because of the brain dead soccer mom mentality of Western Europe “leaders”( cough, cough) that it allows it. Their population,GDP combined far exceed Russia WITHOUT THE US, as do their collective conventional forces.
      Russia’s power lies in it’s VERY strong nuclear forces, whose counter is still the US Strategic Forces based in the US. We need no bases in Europe for those;in fact they’re more vulnerable there.
      Criticizing Europe’s fecklessness is NOT synonymous with praising Putin, as any dufus, even those here, should be able to figure out.
      And our primary threat in the future IS China, for which Nato is a useless diversion of attention and resources. Does anyone here explicitly think China is NOT the primary threat?? That’s a yes or a no question .

    65. NYCmike says:

      I may have missed it.

    66. jason says:

      Did someone in this thread say to get rid of NATO?”

      you rannnggggg?

      “Nato is a useless diversion of attention and resources”

      Why would you keep something useless?

    67. jason says:

      “They don’t count for a lot”

      Why do you want an alliance if Europe doesn’t count for a lot?

    68. NYCmike says:

      I disagree with Gordon saying it is useless.

      I do agree that many European countries should pay more for their defense.

      Do you think the United States should pay YUGE amounts for European defense but Germany and other nations should pay less than what the NATO charter says?

    69. jason says:

      Criticizing Europe’s fecklessness is NOT synonymous with praising Putin, as any dufus, even those here, should be able to figure out.”

      Nah, nah, no moving the goal posts.

      You are speaking out against NATO.

      If you are against NATO, how can you not be taking Putin’s side?

      You can’t have it both ways.

    70. NYCmike says:

      “Do you think the United States should pay YUGE amounts for European defense but Germany and other nations should pay less than what the NATO charter says?”

      -This was for jason.

      Of course, since it is written down, it is only useful when actually enforced…….and we all know what jason thinks about current written rules/laws/regulations…….

    71. NYCmike says:

      #73 is b*llsh*t.

      I clearly read disdain for Russia when Gordon writes. He is very clear that Europe’s policies help Russia, and they should be changed.

    72. Gordon Allen says:

      And YES I’m saying their follies make Europe Geo politically a nullity.
      The future contest is in the Pacific. YES. I am saying that explicitly, and that NATO can and should exist for THEIR protection without a forward deployment by us.(which btw on the ground is relatively zilch anyway, and should be roughly zero. A look at the balance of forces shows NATO shouldn’t need us other than from maintaining the Nuclear umbrellaa against russia along with the Sea based French and British independent-non Nato-nuclear forces.

    73. jason says:

      Do you think the United States should pay YUGE amounts for European defense but Germany and other nations should pay less than what the NATO charter says?”

      Yes, if it is in our interest to maintain the alliance.

      See, it is dumb to make it just about money, if the alternative could be more expensive.

      This is what a lot of people missed on the war on terror. Look at the damage 20 guys and 4 planes did to the US economy in 3 hours. Compared to that the investment in Afghanistan and other places to try to prevent that does not seem so expensive.

      NATO is important for geopolitical reasons. Looking at just from the standpoint that A, B, or C paid x amount instead of x.3 or whatever is shortsighted.

    74. jason says:

      He is very clear that Europe’s policies help Russia, and they should be changed.”

      Zzzzz… I really fall asleep with all this sophomoric reasoning.

      NOTHING helps Putin more than a weakened NATO. Nada. Zilch. Zero.

    75. jason says:

      Let’s cut to the chase here and stop beating around the bush.

      Gordon Allen is the resident protectionist and isolationist emeritus.

      He is the AFL-CIO’s and Putin’s bitch.

      The rest is smoke and mirrors to try to justify it.

    76. Wes says:

      jason says:
      June 16, 2021 at 4:09 pm
      Let’s cut to the chase here and stop beating around the bush.

      While we’re doing this, let’s try to cram as many cliches as possible into one sentence.

    77. jason says:

      While we’re doing this, let’s try to cram as many cliches as possible into one sentence”

      There is always room for one more.

    78. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      I strongly supports NATO, and want the U.S. to stay in the alliance and keep troops in Europe, particularly in Poland and the other former Eastern European countries and the Baltics. NATO has been a successful partnership. However, like all partnerships the terms need to be fair — the U.S. should not back down in insisting Europe pay it’s fair share of defense costs.

    79. jason says:

      However, like all partnerships the terms need to be fair”

      No.

      The partnership needs to be in the interests of the parties involved.

      “Fair” is very subjective.

      Many people agree to arrangements that are not fair, but it is in their interest to have the arrangement anyway.

      That is the way to look at NATO.

      I have no objection to asking other countries to pay more. What I don’t agree with is to weaken the alliance and give Putin free reign in Europe because some countries don’t pay a “fair” share.

    80. NYCmike says:

      ” What I don’t agree with is to weaken the alliance and give Putin free reign in Europe because some countries don’t pay a “fair” share.”

      -BUT, jason is in favor of the Russian pipeline into Germany, effectively making Ukraine vulnerable to Russian aggression, and making Europe dependent upon Russia for fuel, which can be easily turned off.

    81. Tgca says:

      66

      Jadon is clearly a homophobic hateful bigot to disagree with two of HHR most esteemed gay posters.

      Clearly, the other other 20% of posters here that are also gay should speak up in solidarity of all HHR gay posters.

      Granted, it’s not as bad as one poster using the f*g word not too long ago but it’s still insulting as we all know what Jadon really meant by questioning the two HHR esteemed gay posters.

    82. NYCmike says:

      Jason’s unwillingness to re-evaluate his policy positions to make sure they are doing what he thinks they do will result in a favorable position for Putin/Russia, the country which NATO is supposed to defend Europe, and American interests, against.

    83. jason says:

      NYC is gay?

    84. Tgca says:

      Now to address Jadon’s small pea-brained rationale for why the US should go it alone if it has to in order to fund NATO because it’s in the US’ best interest.

      Should the US support all poor South American countries to lift them out of poverty so their citizens don’t flood the US borders since that would be in the US interests, as clearly the US can’t continue to take in all these illegal immigrants that Jadon has a NUANCED view on.

      Maybe Kamala Harris and Joe Biden can find a job for Jadon in their foreign policy team since Jadon is adopting their foreign policy views.

    85. jason says:

      Jason’s unwillingness to re-evaluate his policy positions”

      LOL

      Mr. 100% Litmus Test Deadender lecturing others about “re-evaluating policies’?

      I love it here.

    86. Tgca says:

      88

      SDC is limp-wristed and you know it so don’t try to weasel out of your hateful homophobic mockery of him in 66 referring to his post in 64.

      You owe him an apology.

      …and you owe me one too just because your STOOPID!

    87. jason says:

      Should the US support all poor South American countries to lift them out of poverty”

      Yes.

      But not by giving away money.

      A free trade agreement with all South American countries would be a good start.

      It is in the US interest that the other countries in the hemisphere have strong economies.

      But handouts won’t build any strong economies. Only free market growth policies will.

    88. jason says:

      SDC, I am sorry I asked if NYC is gay.

    89. jason says:

      hy the US should go it alone if it has to in order to fund NATO ”

      You know when Tgca has lost an argument when he reverts to lies like this.

      I never said the US should go it alone. I said it should not jeopardize the alliance because some countries pay less than their share.

      The US even before Trump reduced it paid about 22% of NATO (now 16%).

      So that is completely different than “going it alone”.

    90. NYCmike says:

      “NYC is gay?”

      -Yes.

      Why would I be unhappy?

    91. jason says:

      BUT, jason is in favor of the Russian pipeline into Germany, effectively making Ukraine vulnerable to Russian aggression, and making Europe dependent upon Russia for fuel, which can be easily turned off”

      There are pros and cons to pipeline. Here is a pretty good article with both sides. But what seems clear is that this pipeline is not the only source of energy for Europe and “shutting it off” is not going to black out the continent. Also it makes clear that from an economic standpoint the Russians have little incentive to shut it off as i is about 50% their investment and the revenues are important.

      https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/gas-pipeline-nord-stream-2-links-germany-russia-splits-europe

    92. jason says:

      And btw, this pipeline route already exists and has been in operation.

      We are talking about a second pipeline with essentially the same route.

    93. NYCmike says:

      “Mr. 100% Litmus Test Deadender lecturing others about “re-evaluating policies’?”

      -Says the guy who in the recent past hasn’t voted for the Republican candidate for President, and who has “promised” to never vote again…..about a person who has supported every general election candidate the Republican Party has thrown out there since whenever.

    94. jason says:

      “about a person who has supported every general election candidate the Republican Party has thrown out there since whenever.”

      Ahh, don’t be so modest. Don’t forget all the deadenders you supported in the primaries to make sure liberal Dems won the seats.

      Chuck Schumer is not here to thank you for your unwavering efforts to make sure Dems had enough seats to make him majority leader so I will thank you for him.

    95. jason says:

      Republican candidate for President”

      LOL

      Don’t think I didn’t notice you were afraid to say Republican for President.

      I know, at the time I didn’t think he was a Republican either.

    96. jason says:

      and who has “promised” to never vote again”

      I didn’t promise anything.

      I said I would not vote again unless I thought my vote counted.

      I also said that with they way the Dems have gamed the system and turned election integrity into a joke I don’t see that happening.

      In PA do you the see the PA legislature, the courts, the Governor, the congressional delegation, the two senators doing ANYTHING to keep the elections in the future from being stolen? No? Neither do I.

      GFY.

    97. Phil says:

      ‘’I said I would not vote again unless I thought my vote counted.

      My position as well. Given that Jason lives in Pennsylvania and I live in Texas the odds are that I have a lot better chance of voting than he does.

    98. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Here is an article from the Washington Examiner regarding all European nations needing to pay their fair share of the NATO defense budget.

      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/biden-must-push-nato-on-defense-spending

    99. Gordon Allen says:

      This Nato argent is dumb v dumber. Russia is NOT a conventional threat
      Its not the Red Army of old; its ay is smaller than ours.Its incapable of overruning and occupying the Ukraine( as opposed to some eastern regions.
      Keeping permanent presence in Europe very little of which on the ground represents ” “combat troops”,simply as a ” signal” is self perpetuating nonsence Our presence in Nato is ” signal” enough.
      If China invades Taiwan infinitely more likely than Russia invading Europe,Europe will hp us how? The answer is obvious .
      Europe was for centuries the dominant factor in world affairs; that irrevocably ended in 1945.
      We have Air Forces,and Nav power to show presence where we want to unencumbered by political calculations; on top of which thats where our glob combat power resides. Definitely not in fixed foreign land basis that are targets on every map.
      Because we’ve done something for decades is no reason to shut our brains off today and in the future.

    100. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Bitter and jason:
      Your former Governor and Never Trumper, Tom Ridge, has suffered a stroke. The severity is unknown at this time.
      Fingers crossed for a fast and full recovery.

    101. lisab says:

      i just scored a hunter biden painting!!!!!

    102. lisab says:

      if anyone would like to buy a hunter biden painting from me …

      honest lisa

      for a limited time only, i am offering TWENTY honest lisa’s carbon credits with each hunter biden painting …

    103. Cash Cow TM says:

      That Hunter Biden “painting” selling, with buyers to remain anonymous, money laundering/kickback scam is beyond ridiculous.

      The “painting” of HB that I saw on DRUDGE looked like something a 3-year old or a monkey would paint.
      Yet HB is selling them for $50,000??
      No real art connoisseur would pay a nickel for one those pieces of crap.

      This is clearly a Clintonesque like twist money hunt to “legally” get payback money to HB–and eventually to Joe?
      ################################################
      Come on, man!

    104. Cash Cow TM says:

      And while I am at it here, WHY do so many otherwise attractive your gals get those big, horrid tattoos on their backs, legs, back of their arms, chests, necks, etc.?

      Spend good money, endure lots of pain…to look like a freak.

      BIG turnoff.
      ###########################################
      Dave, is there any POLLING DATA as to what % of women who get these garish tattoos now regret getting them?

    105. lisab says:

      WHY do so many otherwise attractive your gals get those big, horrid tattoos on their backs, legs, back of their arms, chests, necks, etc.?
      ———————

      because people buy us a lot of drinks

    106. lisab says:

      The “painting” of HB that I saw on DRUDGE looked like something a 3-year old or a monkey would paint.
      ————————–

      i have lots of them … how mony do you need?

      (10% off for you cow!)

    107. jason says:

      Ridge has been dead to me for years.

      He will continue to be dead to me after he hopefully makes a speedy recovery.

    108. jason says:

      Russia is NOT a conventional threat”

      Zzzzzz…..

      HHR’s Neville Chamberlain would have said the same of Hitler.

    109. jason says:

      Here is an article from the Washington Examiner regarding all European nations needing to pay their fair share of the NATO defense budget’

      Wow. How impressive.

      I will waste no time reading it.

    110. lisab says:

      HHR’s Neville Chamberlain would have said the same of Hitler.
      —————-

      actually chamberlain rapidly rearmed britain once he was in power

    111. Tgca says:

      109

      Wait until those tattoos deform over time with skin and muscle changes.

    112. jason says:

      The point is everyone wants every country to pay its “fair share” but if they don’t we still should support NATO.

      If you want to abolish NATO because Albania or Montenegro don’t pay their “fair share” then you really don’t have a clue about geopolitics.

    113. Phil says:

      I’ve always supported NATO…..but they’ve been stiffing us $$ for decades. That pisses me off.

    114. Tgca says:

      So Jadon goes against the view of almost all knowledgeable on foreign policy and me, an EXPERT, as well as HHR, to think that Russia is a bigger threat to Europe than China is to Asia and the rest of the world?

      China was just responsible for Covid killing 4 million people. Russia was responsible for killing zero Europeans.

    115. jason says:

      actually chamberlain rapidly rearmed britain once he was in power”

      LOL

      I will entertain wes with “closed the barn door after the horse bolted”

      Chamberlain was a sad joke. How he ever got into a position of power is beyond comprehension.

      He was lucky he died before he had to see how foolish he was to believe in Hitler and the consequences of his stupidity.

    116. Phil says:

      Of course, if the Europeans are relying on our new woke military to save them, the joke’s on them.

    117. Tgca says:

      117

      False argument!

      No one here has advocated abolishing NATO in this discussion. But pressuring others or threatening withholding funding can be a tool to get others to pay their fair share.

    118. jason says:

      So Jadon goes against the view of almost all knowledgeable on foreign policy and me, an EXPERT, as well as HHR, to think that Russia is a bigger threat to Europe than China is to Asia and the rest of the world?”

      Maybe you can find a post where I ever said that?

      No? Didn’t think so.

    119. jason says:

      No one here has advocated abolishing NATO in this discussion”

      I guess you didn’t read Neville Gordon’s post where he says NATO is useless and a waste of resources.

    120. jason says:

      But pressuring others or threatening withholding funding can be a tool to get others to pay their fair share.”

      Wow.

      Ok go ahead and “pressure” and “threaten”.

      As long as we continue to support NATO, fine with me.

      Good luck.

    121. jason says:

      I think the US has to be a lot clearer that we would defend Taiwan, btw.

      One of the problems is that we don’t have something as strong a a NATO in Asia.

      If we did have an Asian NATO committed to defending Taiwan, say with all the countries under the threat of China one way or the other Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Australia, Thailand, New Zealand, etc. maybe even India, then China might be less likely to attack Taiwan.

    122. Phil says:

      Pressure and threaten all you want. They aren’t paying up. Why should they? They’re getting their defense taken care of for pennies on the dollar freeing up their national budgets. If you can find a sucker nation ride it.

    123. Phil says:

      We aren’t defending Taiwan, Jason and the world knows it. Especially with the Biden administration in charge. He might, however, boycott the Olympics. Man, that will show them.

    124. wheelz91 says:

      These survey numbers for New Hampshire are brutal for Demoncrats.

      https://htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/files/saintanselmpolljune2021-1623876225.pdf

    125. Tgca says:

      OMG!

      Victoria’s Secret is rebranding.

      Their new models will be Megan Rapinoe, some Trans chick, and they’ll be adding plus size models to adapt to cultural changes.

      Are you kidding me?

      https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/victorias-secret-should-just-save-time-and-declare-bankruptcy-now/

    126. Bitterlaw says:

      Today was a rollercoaster ride. It was the one year anniversary of my niece’s funeral. It was also my daughter’s high school graduation. Pain and joy. I went through the program during the graduation. Of the 311 Seniors, I coached 34 of them in softball and basketball.

    127. Tgca says:

      130

      I meant new spokespersons not models.

      Do they really think this is going to boost sales?

      That’s like BLM hiring the KKK as spokespersons.

      We are seriously living on the Twilight Zone.

    128. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      126. “I think the US has to be a lot clearer that we would defend Taiwan, btw.”

      Agree with Jason on this one. In fact I believe U.S. should station troops in Taiwan. It is in a strategic location to control maritime access to Chinese ports, and it also produces 25% of the world’s semiconductors.

    129. Gordon Allen says:

      Everybody is dialed into “Troops”!!.Taiwan has more than enough “troops” to defeat an amphibious attack.
      What they would lack is sufficient air cover(F-16’s no longer do it) or defense against Chinese missile attacks, and naval power to disrupt an approaching fleet
      And the Naval/Air Power to attack Chinese ports from which the assault ships came, and from where follow up waves and supplies would be sent.
      “Troops” essentially concede the initiative to the Chinese, and wouldn’t be sufficient to make a difference, No more than 28,000 “troops” in Korea, or our “troops’ in Europe. Basically, they’re purpose are “virtue signaling: only.
      The “troops” the germans had at Normandy didn’t help. but air and naval superiority sure as heck would have prevented an invasion at all.
      We(still-for how long”)have the strongest Navy and Air Force in the world.fly and sail themnear and around Taiwan and sell Patriot air defense missiles, and more modern fighters.
      Deploying 20-39,000″troops” in fixed bases throughout the world has no operational significance, and makes them POW /hostage candidates. Seriously, in this age against major powers that is precisely the wrong way to go.

    130. jason says:

      Neville Allen’s post is so full of simplistic BS hard to know where to start. If his “plan” was presented to anybody in the military they would laugh their ass off.

      You still need boots on the ground no matter what kind of air and naval force you have. And you still need bases and facilities to support air and naval forces too. You need command and control. You cannot fight a war with just air power, to win wars you have to occupy the territory.

      The troops in Korea and Europe do a lot more than virtue signaling, that is just a load of crap.

      And SDC is right, the US should have troops and bases in Taiwan if it was really serious about defending it.

      Neville Allen has been playing too many virtual war games on the Internet. The real world is very different.

    131. Jeff G. says:

      Great post, Gordon. Biden is doing exactly the opposite with the military budget — maintaining the Army’s standing active force while starving the other services. It is scary how dumb, incompetent, and naive this administration is.

    132. jason says:

      We should maintain the standing Army’s active force and not starve the other services.

    133. jason says:

      Of course, we have been told the opinion of rank of file Catholics doesn’t matter….

      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/bishops-beware-74-say-no-communion-for-biden

    134. Wes says:

      Florida Man. Florida Man. Whenever something’s crazy, you’ll find a Florida Man!

      https://mobile.twitter.com/blakehounshell/status/1405501770575626244

      Seriously I thought Anna Paulina Luna was crazy. Now I found out her fears were probably justified.

    135. Phil says:

      You see, Wes. This is the kind of coverage the MSM is going to give you in the 2022 midterms. A nice preview. Border chaos and open borders, increases in crime throughout American cities, Critical race theory, inflation, destruction of the American energy, massive over spending and regulation, you know, actual relevant issues that help Republicans – crickets – a total blackout.

      That’s why all the indicators you have cited like historical precedents of midterm trends of the party in the WH will be negated by the media. Propaganda of the left 24/7 leading up to Election Day and plenty more wall to wall coverage of a nutty Republican congressional candidate. You know, the stuff that really matters. Out MSM is just getting warmed up.

    136. jason says:

      Wow, I did think Luna was a fruit cake but I guess not.

      “I really don’t want to have to end anybody’s life for the good of the people of the United States of America,” Braddock said at one point in the conversation last week, according to the recording exclusively obtained by POLITICO. “That will break my heart. But if it needs to be done, it needs to be done. Luna is a f—ing speed bump in the road. She’s a dead squirrel you run over every day when you leave the neighborhood.”

      Of course now he claims he has been hacked.

      I know, hard to hack a recording with his voice on it, but he says it “could have been altered”.

      But at least one deadender will now be gone.

    137. Wes says:

      Despite all that, Phil, Biden’s numbers are declining.

      It doesn’t appear the blackout is working.

    138. Phil says:

      It’s not just out and out lies and slanted reporting, it’s about issues the press covers in depth and the issues the deliberately refuse to cover. We’ve always had a biased press. It’s the degree and depths they will go to that is now different and it matters.

    139. Phil says:

      Perfect example. Biden’s ten second brain freeze in front of the cameras. CNN reporter “notice how the President pauses to compose himself before answering this important matter”. No, I’m not kidding. I saw the clip.

    140. Cash Cow TM says:

      Cow 100% agrees with Phil as to how one sided the MSM reporting is on issue after issue…and how much the MSM is in the tank for Dems and liberal whack-a-doodle-ness.

      Have not yet seen ANY in depth reporting on the left wing Dems rewrite of the voting laws and process to federalize elections.
      ***********************************************
      In WV, 54 of the 55 county elections clerks have signed a letter opposing the election law rewrite.
      But no news stories or media stories about the multitude of sensible reasons WHY the county clerks are in near unanimous opposition and how the proposed changes are whackadoodle.

    141. Cash Cow TM says:

      HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO DAVE WISSING!

    142. Tgca says:

      Without air and naval resources, boots on the ground cannot be productive in a long-term or well supplied enemy attack.

      …and yes, the American troops in South Korea are basically there to show American presence for deterrence of aggression by the North, as Americans could not win a land battle with the North Koreans million plus army without significant air and naval support because they are outnumber by at least 30+ to 1. Ground technology is not enough to defeat that lopsided force, especially given the physical landscape of the area.

      In this day and age, no one expects a ground war with North Korea anyway. If war comes, it will be a bombardment of air and sea attacks until the North was decimated enough to send in troops to clean up any remaining mess which by that time the war would be over just like we saw in Iraq. There was never a real land war in Iraq. They had pretty much surrendered and we were fighting small groups that did not initially surrender after the air and naval bombardment and that posed no big strategic military threat encounter to the US.

    143. jason says:

      There was never a real land war in Iraq.”

      The US occupied most of the country with over 250k troops. You can say there was not much fighting to do it, but it was a land war.

      And the troops in S Korea are not window dressing. You need a lot of infrastructure to support the air power and weapons systems we have in S Korea. There are 15 major bases that support the S Korean forces and are designed as a buffer protecting Seoul until larger forces can be mobilized.

      You have to remember Seoul is very close to the DMZ. Without ground troops you cannot slow down a massive N Korea invading force just by bombing.

      Technology doesn’t completely win wars, yet. You still need “boots on the ground”.

    144. jason says:

      Thomas votes with the majority to uphold Obamacare.

      Where are Tina and NYC to call him a Marxist clone traitor?

    145. Bitterlaw says:

      There was never a real land war in Iraq. They had pretty much surrendered and we were fighting small groups that did not initially surrender after the air and naval bombardment and that posed no big strategic military threat encounter to the US.

      I am sure that my friend who lost his brother in Iraq will be relieved to know that there was never a real land war in Iraq.

    146. Bitterlaw says:

      Happy birthday to the Wizard.

      SCOTUS was a mixed bag. Standing arguments are an easy way out. However, the 9-0 Decision in favor of religious freedom was a big win for the good guys.

    147. Tgca says:

      I think both of these SCOTUS cases today were decided correctly under the facts and circumstances.

      The Obamacare decision was based on standing and not the merits of the case so I don’t think the constitutionality matters here until the merit based arguments are reviewed but I doubt SCOTUS has the guts to address that in this political environment so I think they took the easy way out like they did with the 2020 election cases decided on standing.

      The unanimous decision under Catholic Charities case was decided on the free exercise clause and not freedom of speech because Philly denied them an exception under its foster care contract that it could otherwise allow other groups to have, and that appears discriminatory. The Court also distinguished that CC was NOT providing a public accommodation with a different set of legal requirements under other laws that might have otherwise made the decision go the other way, but instead the decision was narrowly based on this contract limiting their free exercise of religion by denying them being eligible for an exception allowed others.

    148. Tgca says:

      149

      I do not think Thomas has changed his mind on Obamacare. It was simply a standing issue.

    149. Tgca says:

      I think the 9-0 decision is sending a message to folks on the left that the Court is making it clear it will not bend to pressure to decide on current political correctness when there is clear and convincing evidence Catholic Charities was being discriminated against after 100+ years of service to the city while others were eligible for exceptions but CC was not.

      To me it’s like saying if you’re a woman, you are not allowed exceptions under a city contract but if you’re a man, you’re eligible for exceptions.

      Glad to see this 9-0 decision did not cave in this instance by bending itself into a pretzel trying to meet some PC agenda.

      Hopefully this sends a message to those trying to threaten SCOTUS with packing the Court and let them know that won’t be so easy.

    150. Wes says:

      I guess Tg expects a war with North Korea to look like this:

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3edi2Wkr5YI

    151. jason says:

      I read Alito’s dissent. Much more persuasive than the majority opinion.

      In a nutshell: Justice Samuel Alito opposed this decision by focusing on the alleged inseverability of the mandate provision to the rest of the bill.:

      As Bitter and Tgca point out, SCOTUS took the easy way out but it doesn’t make it the right decision.

      I think Alito and Gorsuch were right to dissent.

    152. NYCmike says:

      “Thomas votes with the majority to uphold Obamacare.

      Where are Tina and NYC to call him a Marxist clone traitor?”

      https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2021/06/17/breaking-obamacare-wins-the-scotus-hat-trick-7-2-on-standing-n397383

      -“Justice Samuel Alito opposed this decision by focusing on the alleged inseverability of the mandate provision to the rest of the bill. Thomas allows that this is an interesting point, but the plaintiffs never bothered to raise it in the original challenge:

      I do not think we should address this standing-through-inseverability argument for several reasons. First, the plaintiffs did not raise it below, and the lower courts did not address it in any detail. 945 F. 3d 355, 386, n. 29 (CA5 2019). That omission is reason enough not to address this theory because “‘we are a court of review, not of first view.’” Brownback v. King, 592 U. S. ___, ___, n. 4 (2021) (slip op., at 5, n. 4). Second, the state plaintiffs did not raise this theory in their opening brief before this Court, see Brief for Respondent/Cross-Petitioner States 18–30,1 and they did not even clearly raise it in reply.2 Third, this Court has not addressed standing-through-inseverability in any detail, largely relying on it through implication. See post, at 16– 20; Steel Co. v. Citizens for Better Environment, 523 U. S. 83, 91 (1998) (“We have often said that drive-by jurisdictional rulings . . . have no precedential effect”). And fourth, this Court has been inconsistent in describing whether inseverability is a remedy or merits question. To the extent the parties seek inseverability as a remedy, the Court is powerless to grant that relief. See Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Assn., 584 U. S. ___, ___–___ (2018) (slip op., at 3–4) (THOMAS, J., concurring); see also Barr v. American Assn. of Political Consultants, 591 U. S. ___, ___, n. 8 (2020) (plurality opinion) (slip op., at 16, n. 8). Thus, standing-through-inseverability could only be a valid theory of standing to the extent it treats inseverability as a merits exercise of statutory interpretation. See Post, at 15–16 (ALITO, J., dissenting); Lea, supra, at 764–776. But petitioners have proposed no such theory.”

    153. NYCmike says:

      It is truly amazing what you find when you actually copy and paste Justice Thomas’s ACTUAL REASONS for ruling with the majority in this case.

      Personally, it seems pretty simple to me, that Alito and Gorsuch would be correct, that if you take away one part of the bill the other parts should be taken away as well……….BUT, why wasn’t that argument made?

      As Justice Thomas stated “That omission is reason enough not to address this theory because “‘we are a court of review, not of first view.’””

      Plain, simple language, which can be understood by most.

      Thank you, Justice Thomas.

    154. NYCmike says:

      I think I know why jason left his home country……he was supposed to pick up all the llama cr*p…..but his boss insisted on him showing his work………

    155. jason says:

      Ma, they are really biting today…

    156. jason says:

      As Justice Thomas stated “That omission is reason enough not to address this theory because “‘we are a court of review, not of first view.’”

      Yes, but Alito and Gorsuch did not agree with that argument and dissented. I think you cannot escape the inseverabiity argument whether it was raised or not

      As I posted above, I find the inseverability argument much more persuasive, so I think they are right and Thomas and the others are wrong.

      But I am glad that NYC doesn’t think Thomas is a Marxist even if he did not take the “conservative” position.

      This could be a major breakthrough.

    157. Tgca says:

      156

      The States had a weak argument if the focus is on inseverability because it is clear that it was never the intent of Congress to throw out the whole law if only one section was deemed unlawful, especially if not a substantially controlling section of the law that would otherwise turn the law on its head and render it meaningless.

      Such assumed inseverability allowance would throw our legal system into chaos if such weak arguments were allowed regularly in absence of clear Congressional intent. Unless it is clearly the intent of Congress to make the entire law invalid if one piece is invalid, these arguments should not prevail.

      This is why Thomas voted for it on standing too because the states never made a legit case fir inseverability which probably would not have survived SCOTUS review anyway, as Thomas suggests.

    158. Tgca says:

      162

      The fact that Congress did away with the tax penalty in ACA few years back is an example where the intent of inseverability on ACA was not intended by Congress.

      The fact that they dismissed that part of the law as undesirable that needed changing did not render the entire law invalid, and SCOTUS seemed to agree with that.

      Like it or not, ACA was never intended by Congress to fail if certain parts were deemed invalid. I would only expect that to happen if a significantly operating and underlying premise of the law was invalid and that has never happened.

      I’m not a fan of the ACA but again, I think treating Congressional laws in this matter raises a host of issues across the legal spectrum.

    159. NYCmike says:

      “Yes, but Alito and Gorsuch did not agree with that argument and dissented. I think you cannot escape the inseverabiity argument whether it was raised or not

      As I posted above, I find the inseverability argument much more persuasive, so I think they are right and Thomas and the others are wrong.”

      -Like you, Alito and Gorsuch, I would find the inseverability argument much more persuasive, IF, as Justice Thomas pointed out, the plaintiffs had made that argument…….BUT, they didn’t.

      So, in this case, the more “conservative” approach would be to rule on the arguments presented, not on what you want to argue about.

    160. Tgca says:

      164

      Agreed. They did not make the argument so why twist yourself into a pretzel to come up with a desired solution. That is what Roberts did in the original ACA case by determining it was a tax when that was not the basis of the case. He gave into PC and worried about his image instead of the merits of the case. I think that cowardice will forever render him as one of the weaker Chief Justices.

      As for inseverability, I still think it’s a weak argument because it is clear that was never Congressional intent for ACA, as evidenced by later ACA law changes made instead of just throwing it out.

    161. Tgca says:

      This is why parents need to be nice to their kids.

      Cannibal who strangled and ate his own mum before feeding bits of her to dogs jailed

      This whacko only gets 15 years in jail for this. I guess that is the value of a life in Europe. He’ll be out no later than early 40s

      https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/spanish-cannibal-gets-15-years-24334162

    162. lisab says:

      actually chamberlain rapidly rearmed britain once he was in power”

      LOL

      I will entertain wes with “closed the barn door after the horse bolted”
      ———————————

      perhaps, but chamberlain was not in charge when the horse bolted. he did not take over until 1937

      before chamberlain britain did not have the mosquito, spitfire, hurricane, matilda 1 tank — which was about equal to the panzer 2

      before chamberlain britain still had their ww1 equipment

      the primary british fighter planes before chamberlain were biplanes

    163. lisab says:

      otoh, france could have stopped germany when the germans took back the rhineland

      the german troops were actually under orders to immediately withdraw if the french intervened

    164. Cash Cow TM says:

      I expect to soon see a murder case brought before SCOTUS…

      And they rule that those bringing the case
      “have no standing” since they are not related to the victim.

      AND…

      In the murder case, where the accused is found not guilty, SCOTUS says that it is compelling that the bite marks on the victim are a perfect match to the defendant, and the bullet used in the murder is perfect match to the defendant, but those bringing the case did not bring those things up that.

      NOT GUILTY!

    165. Cash Cow TM says:

      perfect match to defendant’s gun

    166. NYCmike says:

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-blm-nominee-eco-terrorists

      “CG”: Who cares? Trump is gone, so we are all good!

    167. NYCmike says:

      Ca$h – why wouldn’t the lawyers bring up those details?

      I might reserve my questions/anger for their incompetence.

    168. Tgca says:

      172

      …or it could have been strategy.

      Either way, inseverability on ACA is a weak argument as it has been clear for nearly 10 years the intent of Congress that the law could be amended for invalidated imperfections which has happened at least twice since then.

      Inseverability is not a slam dunk strategy.

      In fact, in 2012, the Court heard arguments on the Medicare issue brought forth by many states and despite finding it invalid by a majority as written in law, the Court found a remedy to fix it for the states, and inseverability did not result in invalidating ACA in whole.

      The same with the tax penalty removal. It was amended by law.

      I just don’t see ACA being overturned on inseverability.

      The only way I see ACA going away is bi-partisan effort by Congress to replace it with something that keeps many of the popular provisions like pre-existing conditions and coverage for children up to 26.

      The Court is not just going to invalidate a decades old law impacting tens of millions for political purposes. That is a conservative pipe dream.

      The GOP lost that opportunity to fix things when Trump was POTUS and they had both chambers in Congress, just like they missed the opportunity on infrastructure and reigning in Big Tech.

      Elections have consequences so learn from them…which I doubt the GOP will with folks like McConnell in leadership.

    169. NYCmike says:

      #173 – So far, all of my nieces and nephews have not exhibited any of those characteristics. Keeping my fingers crossed for the younger ones.

    170. Gordon Allen says:

      Chamberlain did start a large scale rearmament program before the war and brought peacetime conscription to Britain before the war.
      He also is wrongly blamed for Munich,which in point of fact Hitler viewed as a strategic defeat and was furious about. His real intention ( Case Green) was to use the sudentenland as a wedge excuse for the invasion and occupation of all of Czechslovakia.
      He blinked at the last minute and accepted at Munich what he already had been offered.
      The general view at the time was the Sudentenland should be transferred to Germany on self determination grounds( the people wanted to belong to Germany)
      Basically Chamberlain gave nothing away at Munich not already agreed to.
      Hitlers reaction was that was the last time he would ever back down.
      Chamberlain
      in my view is seen unfairly,but the Victor’s write the history, and Churchills take is the one accepted.

    171. jason says:

      There is Alito’s opinion and there is Tgca’s opinion.

      With all due respect for the expert, I will with go with Alito (and Gorsuch).

    172. jason says:

      Revisionist BS.

      Chamberlain was not judged unfairly.

      There was not going to be any “peace in our time with Hitler”.

      Like I said, he was lucky to have died before he saw the full extent of his stupidity.

    173. NYCmike says:

      “There is Alito’s opinion and there is Tgca’s opinion.”

      -Well, it was actually the opinion of 7 other people, 3-4 of whom you usually agree with.

    174. NYCmike says:

      “Chamberlain was not judged unfairly.”

      -To me, the comments made by lisab and Gordon are new information for me to verify……maybe jason will refute each assertion made by the other 2………..yeah, I know, fat chance of that happening!

    175. NYCmike says:

      I do know that Neville Chamberlain made an appearance on Downton Abbey, and the Dowager took him to the woodshed!

    176. jason says:

      The REAL conservative position by Samuel Alito.

      “Two of the court’s staunchest conservatives, Justices Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch, wrote in dissent. Alito accused the court of continuing a trend of fashioning novel rationales to preserve ObamaCare and criticized the majority for preventing the plaintiffs from “even get[ting] a foot in the door to raise a constitutional challenge.”

      “No one can fail to be impressed by the lengths to which this Court has been willing to go to defend the ACA against all threats,” wrote Alito, joined by Gorsuch. “So a tax that does not tax is allowed to stand and support one of the biggest Government programs in our Nation’s history. Fans of judicial inventiveness will applaud once again.”

    177. jason says:

      “So a tax that does not tax is allowed to stand and support one of the biggest Government programs in our Nation’s history. Fans of judicial inventiveness will applaud once again.”

      Pretty clear that Alito considers it unconstitutional.

      Whatever “congress intended”

      I agree with him.

    178. jason says:

      “There is Alito’s opinion and there is Tgca’s opinion.”

      -Well, it was actually the opinion of 7 other people, 3-4 of whom you usually agree with.”

      Ahhh ok.

      So you and Tgca agree with the 3 liberals whom you usually disagree with?

      Got it.

    179. Tgca says:

      177

      Only problem is Alito has been outvoted on this a couple of times by his majority of peers.

      Good luck getting ACA overturned by the Court because one provision of the bill is not widely applauded as “ good” law when it’s clear what Congress intended.

      Why you’re at it, get the American with Disabilities Act overturned on some minor provision found to be invalid or Title IX.

      It ain’t gonna happen…and it should not if the will of Congress was clear regarding intent of the overall law.

      The Court’s job is not to decide what laws Congress should pass but whether the laws Congress pass violate the principles of the Constitution in one way or another.

      So far, like it or not, ACA has stood the test of times in the courts and probably will NEVER be changed without Congress making the change.

    180. jason says:

      Alito and Gorsuch said the court should have taken the case and declared it unconstitutional.

      I agree with them.

      I think the conservatives on the court took the politically expedient and BS “standing” argument to avoid ruling on the constitutionality.

      They did what most of the “true conservatives” have been attacking Roberts for.

      If you think they were right fine with me. But no more whining about Roberts.

    181. jason says:

      he Court’s job is not to decide what laws Congress should pass but whether the laws Congress pass violate the principles of the Constitution in one way or another”

      Exactly.

      And Obamacare violates the principles of the Constitution.

    182. Tgca says:

      183

      It does not matter. Inseverability has not prevailed in this case.

      What one wants and what one gets are two different things.

      …and as I qualified in my previous posts, I noted if a significantly operating and underlying component of the law was invalidated, then inseverability could occur but that has not been the case to date.

    183. NYCmike says:

      #187 – not according to John McCain……

    184. jason says:

      nd it should not if the will of Congress was clear regarding intent of the overall law”

      BS.

      That is why we have a SCOTUS.

      The “intent” of Congress can be found unconstitutional.

      Happens all the time.

      Now you are right that politically SCOTUS is afraid to rule Obamacare unconstitutional.

      But that is politics, not law.

    185. Tgca says:

      187

      Though I sympathize with you, you’re reasoning has not prevailed in the Court or lower courts on a number of cases.

      Just Roe v. Wade may be unconstitutional because SCOTUS created its own law instead of letting the States or Congress decide but it’s not been determined unconstitutional in nearly 50 years so until it is, it ain’t.

    186. jason says:

      #187 – not according to John McCain……”

      Not sure if he thought it was constitutional.

      But he didn’t support it, voted against it and campaigned to replace it.

    187. jason says:

      you’re reasoning has not prevailed in the Court or lower courts on a number of cases.”

      My views have not prevailed in many cases before the courts, am I supposed to support Obamacare because of that?

      I still think Obamacare is unconstitutional and Alito and Gorsuch are right in this decision and Thomas is wrong.

      Sue me.

    188. Tgca says:

      190

      The intent of inseverability is merely Congress saying if one provision fails it all must fail.

      If we can apply that to ACA then it can apply to numerous laws that could reign chaos on all our laws.

      Who is to say that one cannot find a component of many, if not all laws to invalidate because one issue in it can be invalidated over time.

      The courts take extra care to try and not do that and partially why they use legal precedent, right nor wrong for the times unless it is egregious unfairness.

      The best way to fix ACA us through bi-partisan legislation or if the GOP gets complete control to re-write and pass ACA in another form.

    189. Tgca says:

      193

      Nothing to sue you for.

      You have not prevailed on anything to sue you for.

      Again, I sympathize with you but we can’t turn the legal system upside down because of one issue.

      I feel the same way about Roe v. Wade which has been responsible for killing nearly 50 million babies but I highly doubt it is going to be ruled unconstitutional any time soon though I’d be happy to be proven wrong on that issue.

    190. Tgca says:

      192

      But he didn’t support it, voted against it and campaigned to replace it.

      …and then betrayed his constituents due to his petty squabbles so he could stick it to Trump.

      I lived in AZ, and Mac was my senator and I recall his phony promises on ACA.

      Glad this petty vindictive being never became POTUS regardless of his POW sacrifices. Both can be true as y’all say.

    191. NYCmike says:

      “But he didn’t support it, voted against it and campaigned to replace it.”

      -Unlike a person who campaigned for President on certain promises and did his very best to keep them, war hero (no doubt!) John McCain showed himself to be a terrible Senator and a small, petty person who campaigned one way every 6 years and governed in another once elected.

    192. NYCmike says:

      jason is for the ACA when a “thumbs-down” is involved, and against it when 7 black robes are for it.

    193. NYCmike says:

      YOO!

    194. NYCmike says:

      CC

    195. NYCmike says:

      #193 –

      “I still think…..”

      -Bitterlaw,

      What is your thought on this?

    196. Cash Cow TM says:

      GA

      “NEWS & POLITICS
      HUGE: Significant Election Irregularities Exposed in Fulton County, Georgia
      BY MATT MARGOLIS JUN 17, 2021 10:53 AM ET

      AP Photo/Ben Gray
      Documents from Fulton County, Georgia, that were submitted to state officials for the election audit “highlight significant irregularities in the Atlanta area during last November’s voting, ranging from identical vote tallies repeated multiple times to large batches of absentee ballots that appear to be missing from the official ballot-scanning records,” reports Just The News.

      Thousands of ballots are potentially impacted by these irregularities, suggesting they could be results-changing, as Joe Biden’s state-certified victory in the state was by fewer than 12,000 votes.

      Just The News reviewed memos that included “handwritten tally sheets for all absentee ballots counted by the county as well as a private report from a contractor hired by Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to monitor the Atlanta-area election process.”

      The report, which chronicled seven days of problems, recorded troubling behavior like the mysterious removal of a suitcase of sensitive election data known as polls pads, used to authenticate voters.

      Just The News reviewed the Fulton County documents.

      Among the problems those memos exposed:

      –More than 100 batches of absentee ballots — each containing approximately 100 or more ballots — were assigned tracking numbers before being sent to one of the five absentee vote-counting machines in Fulton County but are not subsequently recorded in the handwritten logs showing which batches were scanned and counted, raising concerns the ballots may be missing.

      –More than two dozen batches of absentee ballots were identified as having been double-scanned on the tally sheets.

      –Five sequential batches of absentee votes each appeared with the exact same vote count of 392 for Biden, 96 for President Donald Trump, and 3 for Libertarian Jo Jorgensen, a count that state officials admitted was a statistical impossibility.

      –Many control sheets for absentee ballot batches counted during the state’s audit did not check a box indicating the ballot came from a secure container, raising the possibility that ballots were stored insecurely or that multiple batches of ballots were sealed in a single container.

    197. lisab says:

      He also is wrongly blamed for Munich
      —————————————–

      it came out years later … under the british equivalent of the freedom of information act

      that chamberlain was told by his general staff that they could not stop hitler from taking over czechoslovakia

    198. NYCmike says:

      “that chamberlain was told by his general staff that they could not stop hitler from taking over czechoslovakia”

      -jason SAID it was wrong, so gotta go with that high level of scholarship every time!

    199. lisab says:

      the part that is very much true about chamberlain

      is that he ABSOLUTELY refused to build a coalition against hitler BEFORE poland … he thought that the inter-locking alliances would provoke war as they had in ww1.

      churchill was saying that war was coming anyway, so make the alliances.

      Stalin of all people, offered britain an alliance against germany BEFORE poland

      and britain refused … which caused stalin to make a pact with hitler.

    200. lisab says:

      however, chamberlain was not the feckless rube he was painted to be, he knew hitler was dangerous

      he rearmed britain just in time

      he sucked as a war leader though … good at production

      churchill put him on his war cabinet

    201. jason says:

      jason SAID it was wrong, so gotta go with that high level of scholarship every time!”

      I never said anything about Czechoslovakia.

      GFY, you really are a moron.

      If you are late on the bus, educate yourself a little before saying something stupid.

    202. jason says:

      however, chamberlain was not the feckless rube he was painted to be, he knew hitler was dangerous”

      Obviously everyone knew that, but the problem was Chamberlain thought he could trust Hitler.

      He even had a piece of paper to prove it.

    203. jason says:

      the part that is very much true about chamberlain

      is that he ABSOLUTELY refused to build a coalition against hitler BEFORE poland … he thought that the inter-locking alliances would provoke war as they had in ww1.

      churchill was saying that war was coming anyway, so make the alliances.

      Stalin of all people, offered britain an alliance against germany BEFORE poland

      and britain refused … which caused stalin to make a pact with hitler.”

      Right. Churchill knew war was inevitable. Chamberlain thought he could kick the can down the road.

    204. jason says:

      that chamberlain was told by his general staff that they could not stop hitler from taking over czechoslovakia”

      I don’t see how this is news. I could have told him that.

      But sacrificing Czechoslovakia wasn’t the problem. The problem was thinking that would satisfy Hitler.

    205. jason says:

      This is what defined Chamberlain.

      ‘The settlement of the Czechoslovakian problem, which has now been achieved is, in my view, only the prelude to a larger settlement in which all Europe may find peace. This morning I had another talk with the German Chancellor, Herr Hitler, and here is the paper which bears his name upon it as well as mine [shows paper to crowd]. Some of you, perhaps, have already heard what it contains but I would just like to read it to you: ” … We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again”.

      ‘My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Go home and get a nice quiet sleep.”

    206. jason says:

      Eventually 60 million people never recovered from that nice quiet sleep.

    207. Tgca says:

      Today Biden said about the ACA SCOTUS decision:

      …he would continue to expand government-subsidized health coverage during his presidency, arguing it was a “moral obligation” to ensure that “health care is a right and not a privilege.”

      Agreed!

      But more important rights like “free WiFi” and “taking stuff from Walgreens without paying in San Francisco” need to be shored up 1st before expanding ACA.

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/17/joe-biden-vows-to-expand-obamacare-after-supreme-court-decision/

    208. Tgca says:

      OMG!

      Priceless!

      Wes hardest hit!

      Watch FL GOP CongressCritter Commack’s face as NJ Dem Congressman Payne gets up in what appears either boxers or PJs and his big ole belly hanging out evidently not aware all can see on a zoom call.

      https://twitter.com/RepBethVanDuyne/status/1405563315414315008

    209. Gordon Allen says:

      Your history is dubious. Both the British and French government knew( see their White Papers) Hitlers aim was solely war with the Soviet Union,not with them.
      They declared war to preserve the balance of power in an Eastern Europe of fascist governments boxed in between Hitler and Stalin,with absolutely no intention or ability to do so. That was criminal stupidity.
      How did it work for them? Did they preserve their independence from tyranny? Was the balance of power preserved? They facilitated the takeover of by Stalin,as was obviously likely if they chose sides.
      Let King Kong and God I’ll fight it out,while keeping their powder was the obvious stance
      Your problem is your assumption that Hitler wanted war w the West which was poppycock. The Lebensraum he sought was 100% in the East( Ukraine will be our India).
      Why intervene as between them,and what was the benefit to the.? They lost their empires,went broke,suffered ghastly losses of life and property,to secure Soviet dominance of Central and Eastern Europe. If that was smart,show me stupid.
      There is a strong argument that Chamberlain saw the future more clearly than his critics.
      Just because it happened,doesn’t mean there weren’t other alternatives.
      Reagan on a much smaller scale acted as I won suggest; during the Iran/ Iraq war(8 years) he kept the US neutral as he correctly viewed both as enemies. Why get into such a fight?
      A criticism of the Iraq war is it destroyed a counterweight to Iran in the Middle East,even though Hussein was a murderous tyrant. I’m suggesting the same was a plausible policy in WW 2.See Harry Truman in 1941 who suggested our policy should be to be neutral and hope for the last Nazi to fall dead over the last Red.
      Harry had a point.

    210. Gordon Allen says:

      Godzilla not God. Auto correct is awful

    211. Wes says:

      Herschel Walker is strongly hinting at a challenge to Raphael Warnock next year:

      https://mobile.twitter.com/HerschelWalker/status/1405530018902511616

      Walker is the most high-profile potential candidate in a crowded field looking to challenge Warnock.

      To win, Republicans are going to have to reclaim their margins in rural and exurban areas and cut into the gains in the suburbs Dems made during the Trump Administration. I believe Walker has the capacity to do this just as Tommy Tuberville had against the similarly far-left Doug Jones one state over last year.

      Since Biden’s numbers have been on a steady decline recently despite media cheerleading, it’s not at all impossible for Republicans to achieve this goal.

    212. Phil says:

      Herschel is the one candidate (the only Georgia GOP candidate unfortunately) who can unseat Warnock in Georgia. Let’s hope he can be persuaded to run.

    213. Phil says:

      Walker will still need a fair count out of Fulton County, however.

    214. Tgca says:

      215

      Agree with a lot of Gordy’s points but the big difference here which I do not think America could ignore at the time, was the extermination of the Jews.

      If this were fighting over “old territory” alone, I would concede no need to intervene if it’s not escalating globally but the Nazis were determined to use the Jews as a scapegoat for all that was ill with Germany just like many Muslim dictators do today in their countries, and I don’t think America or especially the British and French on their own continent could ignore such barbaric actions back then.

      Also, there was great risk with the oncoming atomic age that if either Germany or Japan succeeded 1st, they would take a more aggressive stance against its neighbors to field dominance. At that time, Germany was one of the top leaders in physics and it was only a matter of time before atomic energy was weaponized.

    215. lisab says:

      chamberlain’s leadership really shows when you realize that prior to chamberlain the primary british fighter was the gloster gladiator … a biplane … that went 253 mph

      while germany had the me109 in operation during the same period, and went up to 380 mph

    216. jason says:

      To win, Republicans are going to have to find a way to prevent fraud. Not sure that is going to happen.

    217. jason says:

      Your problem is your assumption that Hitler wanted war w the West which was poppycock.”

      More stupid revisionism.

      Hitler’s plan was to dominate ALL of Europe.

    218. Tgca says:

      I agree that if Great Britain had entered WW2 earlier on that could have been much more catastrophic, as they were not as prepared but it seemed pretty clear to some that Hitler was not to be trusted.

      I still think Chamberlain was foolish to trust Hitler and I believe he has been judged on that event alone in history regardless of other successes he had because it was considered such an enormous blunder.

      He made an awful judgment call and he never lived long enough to see the extent of the true evil Hitler and his cronies perpetrated on the world.

    219. lisab says:

      he actually wanted an alliance with britain

    220. Phil says:

      Republicans are going to have to find a way to prevent fraud.

      Good luck with that. Hell, there are “conservatives” on this site alone who think fraud is present but somehow it is isn’t relevant.

    221. Tgca says:

      223

      I’m not sure I agree Hitler initially and realistically envisioned dominating all of Europe. There were strategic challenges to that from the start.

      But as with most conflicts, as things escalate, plans change. I think initial German successes of the war may have also broadened Germany’s confidence of ultimate victory but as we know, that led to later deterioration of Germany and losses they could not sustain long-term but that they had no way of backing out and saving face so they fought until they could as the tides changed against them.

      I could not imagine Hitler agreeing to peace at some point except for maybe very early on to end the war because he became too vested in the war with the German people and he would have been humiliated and ousted so he fought onward until he could no more, as defeated dictators often do.

    222. Tgca says:

      226

      We could do a pact with Stacy Abrams and Nancy Pelosi to nip fraud in the bud so then we can all have faith in the integrity of the elections again.

      Maybe Mitt Romney could negotiate an agreement and then come to the GOP declaring he has secured a promise of fair elections going forward signed by him, Pelosi, and Abrams.

      You just need to trust in the good intentions of men and women.

    223. lisab says:

      us embassies now flying pride flags

      nothing to see here

    224. jason says:

      Just saw a Ford woke ad at the US Open. Celebrating juneteenth and how to be equal you have to have equality.

      But been watching for 8 hours and it was the first one so it still only about 2% as woke as the NBA or the NFL. I haven’t seen “fight racism” painted on the greens yet and none of the players or caddies called me a racist yet.

    225. Bitterlaw says:

      -Unlike a person who campaigned for President on certain promises and did his very best to keep them, war hero (no doubt!) John McCain showed himself to be a terrible Senator and a small, petty person who campaigned one way every 6 years and governed in another once elected.

      NYC always ignores the fact that McCain never voted against a bill that would repeal and replace Obamacare because there was no bill to repeal and replace Obamacare.

    226. NYCmike says:

      The word “repeal” comes before “replace” in “repeal and replace Obamacare”.

      Kind of like how we pickup freight, then deliver the freight. Pickup and delivery.

      Sometimes things go wrong, but you can never attempt a delivery if you don’t first make the pickup.

      Tough concept for a lawyer?

    227. Bitterlaw says:

      That bill would not have repealed Obamacare.

      Tough concept for a delivery man?

    228. lisab says:

      McCAIN: I want to make sure that we’re not handing the health care system over to the federal government which is basically what would ultimately happen with Obama’s health care plan. I want the families to make the decisions between themselves and their doctors, not the federal government…

      unless of course i get on tv, and then it is fine

    229. lisab says:

      nyc,

      i don’t think you are looking at the issue from both sides

    230. Bitterlaw says:

      Finding out that lisab likes the movie Dodgeball dropped it out of my Top 20 favorite movies.

    231. Tgca says:

      McCain betrayed the GOP and his constituents for his petty vindictiveness that he always had and the reason many conservatives did not like him and sat out the 2008 election.

      POW who suffered greatly. Yes!

      Lying, deceitful, self-centered, womanizing POS, GOP traitor! Also yes.

      He was part of the Romney and Liz Cheney wing of the GOP and the party is a better party without him as his skanky wife betrays his legacy and mocks him by aligning herself with the Dems now.

    232. lisab says:

      tgca and jason,

      i found the perfect song for bitter’s campaign

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NdsnFZm0X4

    233. lisab says:

      bill clinton always said we would miss him …

      those were the days

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUsIYDcDo28

    234. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Bitter and jason:
      Hope for next year in the Statewide Penn. races; Gov. Wolf’s(D) approval rating is in freefall according to this poll.

      https://www.getrevue.co/profile/fandmpartners/issues/franklin-marshall-poll-release-june-2021-514176?utm_campaign=Issue&utm_content=view_in_browser&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Franklin+%26+Marshall+Poll+-+Partners

    235. Wes says:

      That bodes well for Republicans in both PA-Gov and PA-Sen next year, Sheep.

    236. jason says:

      I think it is funny that the same people here that choose to call McCain petty give Trump a pass.

    237. jason says:

      NYC always ignores the fact that McCain never voted against a bill that would repeal and replace Obamacare because there was no bill to repeal and replace Obamacare.”

      Hey look, don’t at consistency from NYC, the poor bastard is always at war with himself.

      Yesterday he actually said Thomas, who voted with all the liberals to essentially uphold Obamacare, voted the “conservative” position, so you can assume Alito and Gorsuch are now the liberals on Obamacare.

      We can now add that “NYC believes SCOTUS should take the conservative side unless Thomas votes the other way” to his long list of “exceptions” to his
      “conservative” values.

    238. jason says:

      Wolf is an incompetent ass, Cuomo’s mini-me and now orphaned since the luster came off his mentor.

      However the Dems now have complete control of the voting process in PA and they get to decide how many ballots are issued and which ones to count and for whom.

      That bodes well for Democrats in both PA-Gov and PA-sen.

      The PA senate, majority Rs, doesn’t care. The PA house, majority Rs, does not care. The US senator, R, doesn’t care.

      I will follow their lead and not care either.

    239. jason says:

      McCain betrayed the GOP and his constituents for his petty vindictiveness”

      Maybe. But if you want to give out an 21st Century award for petty vindictiveness you will never have a better candidate than:

      “He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

    240. Wes says:

      Bitter, Jason has the same level of understanding of “I don’t care” as of “never.”

    241. Wes says:

      This is the kind of thing a candidate actually serious about winning does:

      https://www.tribtoday.com/news/latest-news/2021/06/timken-announces-chairs-for-all-88-counties/

    242. Bitterlaw says:

      I prefer this song for a campaign. Not a fan of the album cover but this version is more up-tempo.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MD3DdskaPhs

    243. jason says:

      Bitter, Jason has the same level of understanding of “I don’t care” as of “never.”

      Whatever.

      But wes may have a point.

      I thought that by not being registered I won’t be able to vote.

      But we know that in PA that is not the case.

    244. Phil says:

      Pa election rules are a joke.

      Let me sum up their election procedure present in 2020

      Open invitation to fraud.

      That about covers it.

      May as well just tend to your llamas during the next election cycle, Jason. The election results are predetermined there. The Republican legislature in Pa has been a joke.

    245. Cash Cow TM says:

      Juneteenth!?
      ###############################################

      I have good friends who are Black Angus and Brown Swiss, but this is absolutely the most silly holiday I have ever seen established. Even wins over Festivus.

      And even over Kwanza (that ancient African Christmas equivalent celebration that dates way back to 1968).

      ***************************************
      Really?
      We are now going to have a national holiday to commemorate the date (in 1865) when Blacks in Galveston, TX first HEARD about the issuing of the Emancipation Proclamation–which was issued TWO YEARS EARLIER (and not on June 19)–and the end of the Civil War).

      What happens several years down the road we find out that people in Podunk, Idaho first found out that the Civil War was over on March 11, 1875?
      Create another national holiday called “Marchie-Eleventhy-Seventy-Five Day?”
      _____________________________________________
      What’s next?
      A George Floyd “Say His Name” or “I Can’t Breathe!” national holiday?

      And…was making Juneteenth (not even a real word) national holiday one more ‘concession” to placate the “Black community” for the unfortunate death of George Floyd?

      And can we say the same about the current push for the idiotic critical race theory being introduced in public schools?
      _____________________________________
      In Jefferson Co. WV, (the farthest eastern WV county which is an ex-burb of Washington, DC) the school system recently announced a summer program called “Black Math Genius” program to be taught to Black students, by Black teachers using the ‘language’ of their students to help Blacks in math skills.

      In these times, would any school system think it was swell idea begin a program titled “White Math Genius” program?

      ***********************************************
      You can imagine the furor the resulted when the public found out.

      The school system officials said the intent was for the Black Math Genius to be open to students of any race are temporarily pulling said program and re-evaluating it and making adjustments.

    246. Cash Cow TM says:

      THIS IS ESPECIALLY FOR BITTER.

      But I dare the rest of you to watch this and not have some dust in your eye.

      https://wvmetronews.com/2021/06/14/the-lena-elkins-double-play/

    247. Bitterlaw says:

      Phil – I agree that PA election laws/fraud helped Biden. However, as somebody who has lived in PA since 1986, I do not understand why Dems would only cheat at the Presidential level. How did the Republicans win Auditor General and Treasurer and hold both legislative chambers in 2020? Is it part of the Dem strategy to only steal the big prize so it looks like they are not really stealing anything?

    248. jason says:

      How did the Republicans win Auditor General and Treasurer and hold both legislative chambers in 2020?”

      Zzzzzz….

      Sounds like wes’ theory that if the Dems didn’t cheat in NC then they couldn’t have cheated in PA, AZ, WI, GA, NV….

      Regarding the legislature, this is a really stupid and bogus argument because if the cheating is mostly in places like Philly and Allegheny counties where state reps and senators are mostly Dems anyway it won’t help turn the entire state house and senate blue.

      But even then a lot of the races in my area were a lot closer than usual with the VBM vote. Maybe most of the races Rs won were out the MOF.

      I doubt the cheating is only at the top of the ticket. In 2020 that is where it made the most difference.

      But you can bet the PA election laws/fraud are helping Dems at all levels.

    249. jason says:

      May as well just tend to your llamas during the next election cycle, Jason”

      Good advice. I will take it.

    250. Phil says:

      What was priceless was Philly not counting the bulk of their ballots on election night. Beautiful. Wait until you see what the statewide totals were and then count for three days until they get past the number they need to carry the state. What a riot. In 2016, Philly had the ballots counted on election night and, oops, it wasn’t enough. Well, they fixed that this last cycle! Keep counting for three f*cking days after you see the number you need. LOL What a joke.

      Ohio, Florida, and Iowa ballots counted by midnight election night – and guess what – not late arriing ballots flip flopping Trump’s lead.

      Yes, Jason. Just take care of the llamas. Going to the polls is a waste of your time.

    251. Bitterlaw says:

      But you can bet the PA election laws/fraud are helping Dems at all levels.

      So jason can’t explain why the GOP won 2 statewide races in 2020. Got it.

    252. Tgca says:

      242

      Bull dinky Jadon!

      I have noted many times I think Trump is petty, thin-skinned, egotistical and combative but I have not seen him purposely screw over his party and constituents to score personal points and accolades from the Dems and libs.

      Obamacare survived because of McCain’s final vote which was purposely orchestrated with flair on the senate floor to make the most impact to satisfy his petty ego.

      McCain was often a useful idiot and tool of the left against his own party. He was not a maverick. He was a disturbed vindictive man, probably due to his POW experiences but that was still the man he was.

      As far as I’m concerned, McCain is dead to me.

    253. NYCmike says:

      “As far as I’m concerned, McCain is dead to me.”

      -Ummmm, pretty sure he is dead to just about everybody, other than maybe Shirley Maclaine.

    254. Tgca says:

      254

      Agreed!

      Nobody knows or really cares who the candidates for auditor or treasurer were.

      The effort was to steal the presidency not the auditor and treasurer elections. Most folks don’t care about those positions and I bet 95%+ people could not even name who is seated in those offices.

    255. NYCmike says:

      “Yesterday he actually said Thomas, who voted with all the liberals to essentially uphold Obamacare, voted the “conservative” position, so you can assume Alito and Gorsuch are now the liberals on Obamacare.”

      -Actually, I didn’t say it, Justice Thomas said it, as I copied-and-pasted his words.

      If you want to argue against what he said, I am sure your fellow A-Hole could help you with citations and the correct forms to do so.

      Otherwise, stop making things up. Your blue eyes are turning brown from all the llama-cr*p oozing out.

    256. NYCmike says:

      “So jason can’t explain why the GOP won 2 statewide races in 2020. Got it.”

      -Wow! Even Bitter got it!

    257. Tgca says:

      248

      A GOP candidate would pick an actively radically left woke anti-GOP artist like Bruce Springsteen to represent his campaign music?

      Is this supposed to be subliminal political messaging?

      Wink and nod politics?

      Only in Radnor, PA I tell ya.

    258. Tgca says:

      261

      Jadon has blue eyes?

      I never knew..

    259. jason says:

      “Actually, I didn’t say it, Justice Thomas said it, as I copied-and-pasted his words.

      Are you sure YOU didn’t write this? It sure sounds like you think Thomas’ vote was the more “conservative”.

      Were you hacked?

      NYCmike says:
      June 17, 2021 at 1:27 pm

      Like you, Alito and Gorsuch, I would find the inseverability argument much more persuasive, IF, as Justice Thomas pointed out, the plaintiffs had made that argument…….BUT, they didn’t.

      So, in this case, the more “conservative” approach would be to rule on the arguments presented, not on what you want to argue about.

    260. jason says:

      So jason can’t explain why the GOP won 2 statewide races in 2020. Got it.”

      So let me understand this.

      There can be no fraud since the GOP wont 2 statewide races?

      Even one of the winners won’t say that.

      “HARRISBURG — The state’s new auditor general — charged with serving as an independent and impartial fiscal watchdog on behalf of taxpayers — has refused to affirm that the 2020 election was fair and accurate, despite his own victory.”

      Defoors won by over 3%, probably over the MOF.

      If it had been a lot closer, you are ready to state the Dems would not have stolen it?

    261. NYCmike says:

      For sure I wrote that line, due to what Justice Thomas stated.

      Argue with Thomas’s line of thinking, instead of just saying he is wrong.

      I notice you didn’t paste any statements from Alito and Gorsuch disputing what Thomas said……why is that?

    262. NYCmike says:

      The plaintiffs did not raise the issue, so Thomas couldn’t rule on it.

      Pretty simple reasoning.

    263. Bitterlaw says:

      No retreat, baby, no surrender.

      Springsteen was good enough for Reagan. He started playing Born in the USA at rallies in 1984 until Springsteen said he could not use it. Probably better off for Reagan since apparently nobody in the campaign actually listened to the song. It was about the mistreatment and lack of respect for Vietnam war vets.

    264. Tgca says:

      269

      Bitter defending Springsteen who has become one of the most activist vocal anti-GOP celebrities out there that would like to see the Dems with complete national control to push a radical leftist agenda.

      Nope! No wokeness here folks!

    265. Bitterlaw says:

      I have noted many times I think Trump is petty, thin-skinned, egotistical and combative but I have not seen him purposely screw over his party

      Which party? He screwed Republicans by donating to Dems fort decades. He screwed Dems by switching parties to run as a Republican.

    266. jason says:

      Argue with Thomas’s line of thinking, instead of just saying he is wrong”

      Why?

      I already said Alito’s reasoning makes a lot more sense to me, he thinks the standing argument is BS like I do. He thinks the majority is using it as cover to protect Obamacare like I do.

      I guess I could say you should argue with Alito’s reasoning.

      But I won’t, I know it is beyond your level of comprehension.

    267. Tgca says:

      271

      Like Reagan who supported radical lefties in the 30s and 40s, Trump fully switched and identified as part of GOP after a couple of decades.

      The difference is Trump went back and forth supporting Dems and GOP for business reasons, as he was never ideological one way or the other, whereas, Reagan was ideologically supporting lefties for 30+ years before he came to his senses.

      May 1962 letter from Reagan at 51 years old on switching to GOP after like 30 years as a Dem. Note how he discourages turning to a 3rd party and fully embracing the GOP after admitting being a life-long Dem.

      TRANSCRIPT

      May 26

      Dear Mr. Ward

      Thanks very much for your kind letter. You ask if there is anything more to be done than writing to Cong. & Senators. At the moment with regard to the Herlong–Baker bill (H.R. 3000–3001) this writing is very important. Sen. Barry Goldwater says “only a flood of mail” will get this bill out of committee.

      We should write the “House Ways & Means Committee” urging them to past the bill before Congress. We should also write our Rep. & Senators. Most important we should urge all our friends to do the same and if we belong to organizations get them to pass resolutions endorsing the bill and send these resolutions to Wash.

      As for a 3rd party I think we could save effort by turning to the Rep. party (I myself have been a life long Dem. but no longer) and by our very numbers force that party to be the organ for Economic conservatism.

      Again thanks –

      Sincerely

      Ronald Reagan

    268. jason says:

      Springsteen is a diehard Marxist apparatchik, a believer in the dictatorship of the proletariat.

      For others of course, he lives a life of great luxury.

    269. jason says:

      The difference is Trump went back and forth supporting Dems and GOP for business reasons,”

      Every time I hear that garbage I laugh my ass off.

      Is that why he came out for partial birth abortion?

      Socialized medicine “paid for by the government”

      Democratic economic policies are the best for the country””?

      Trump has a lot of conservative accomplishments as President.

      But let’s not rewrite History.

      Reagan was a true conservative for decades. Trump has been a conservative for about 5 minutes of his life for convenience.

      When it comes to conservatism, Trump can’t lick Reagan’s boots.

      Let’s get real.

    270. Tgca says:

      273

      Bitter caught with *deer look in headlights* as he looks foolish mocking Trump’s political past as his hero Reagan exposed as a self-admitted life long Dem, who did not come to his senses and switch parties until he was in his 50s after 30+ years of supporting lefty radicals that already did damage to the US.

      Can we say HYPOCRISY?

      As the old saying goes, “people in glass houses should not throw stones.”

      …or to put it in more simple terms for dumbass wokesters from Radnor, being fat and calling someone else fat really doesn’t make you look too smart.

    271. jason says:

      Trump was supporting Chuck Schumer as late as 2010, 5 year before running for President.

      Reagan was a staunch conservative for decades BEFORE becoming President.

      There IS no comparison.

    272. NYCmike says:

      “Is that why he came out for partial birth abortion?”

      -What policies did he pursue as President?

      Why should I care what he does, years ago as a private citizen, when he made promises during his campaign and then followed through on them?

    273. NYCmike says:

      #277 – It’s almost as if jason is ignorant of the NY State and City Attorney Generals going after Trump and his businesses.

      I am pretty sure if Trump was still donating to Democrats that those investigations would more than likely disappear.

    274. Tgca says:

      275

      Let me correct your post please.

      Reagan was a true conservative for decades after supporting lefties for decades.

      There you go!

      I am not claiming Trump is more conservative than Reagan but it is stoopid to make arguments that apply to one and not the other as history shows differently.

      Reagan supported lefty causes in his youth. Maybe he was just stoopid and caught up in it all in Hollywood and came to his senses later on but there is NO DOUBT that Reagan was ideologically left for decades by his own admission.

      If you wish to argue with Reagan’s own words, I suggest you take that up with him in the afterlife.

    275. Tgca says:

      277

      …and how many decades was Reagan a staunch conservative before running for governor of CA?

    276. jason says:

      Reagan supported lefty causes in his youth”

      Zzzzzz….

      Trump supported lefty causes and lefty politicians into his 60’s.

    277. jason says:

      Why should I care what he does, years ago as a private citizen,”

      Heh….

      Tgca post 280:

      “Reagan supported lefty causes in his youth”

    278. Tgca says:

      278

      Exactly!

      Under Jadon’s theory of politics, as long as you believe in something, you’re a staunch conservative and that’s all that matters. No nuance here. NUANCE only allowed on illegal immigration.

      Ok!

      Then how come you don’t support Romney or Liz Cheney because no matter what you say about them personally, they are staunch conservative ideologues.

    279. jason says:

      t’s almost as if jason is ignorant of the NY State and City Attorney Generals going after Trump and his businesses.”

      Ah yes, the “Trump was only bribing Hillary and Chuckie” no problem.

      But of course that is a crock. He was donating to the Democratic Senate Committee to elect more liberal Dems, he was donating to Harry Reid, he was donating to a whole host of Dems that had nothing to do with “building in Manhattan”.

      The efforts to make Trump into a conservative are hilarious. He was never a conservative and still isn’t.

      Comparing him to Reagan is just amazingly stupid.

    280. Tgca says:

      Jadon misses the point that Trump was NEVER an ideologue and supported both sides for no doubt whatever benefited his business most. He also was not an ideologue as POTUS.

      Reagan was an ideologue. 1st a lefty one for decades and then a conservative one.

      I don’t see a problem with it either way other than pointing out the hypocrisy that if Reagan did it, it was ok but if others did it, they were somehow fakes.

    281. jason says:

      “Then how come you don’t support Romney or Liz Cheney because no matter what you say about them personally, they are staunch conservative ideologues.”

      Zzzz….

      I think Liz Cheney is certainly a lot more conservative than Trump.

      I don’t support her because she is a back stabbing vindictive media whore who still didn’t get over Trump trashed ole Jeb.

    282. Tgca says:

      285

      Jadon cannot be that ignorant. When you’re a billionaire doing business all over the world, you grease the wheels wherever it helps you and folks ask you if you’re trying to buy good will. Corporate America does this all the time.

      Often the wealthy contribute to areas beyond their location. Look at the money Gates, Zuckerberg, Soros, Hollywood, etc donate all over the country. They spent more time giving in GA then CA.

      Politics may be local but political contributions are not. It is common practice for politicians to hold fundraising events and hobknobbing with the elite all over the place. That’s why someone like Mayor Butt does more fundraising in CA than his home town.

    283. jason says:

      It is always a pleasure for me to defend Ronald Reagan, the greatest President in my lifetime, and John McCain, a man who made tremendous sacrifices for his country and whom we should all be greatly indebted to.

      If you want to insult Ronald Reagan because he was a Dem in his youth or John McCain because you disagree with some of his political positions, go ahead.

      It diminishes you, not them.

    284. jason says:

      Trump was not greasing any wheels.

      He was a liberal NY Dem and that is who he rolled with.

      That is why Hillary was in the front pew at his wedding.

      You need to stop being so gullible.

    285. jason says:

      When you’re a billionaire doing business all over the world, you grease the wheels wherever it helps you’

      Really?

      How many Republicans does Bill Gates contribute to? Zuckerberg? Soros?

      Trump contributed to Dems because that was his ideology.

    286. Tgca says:

      Jadon

      Stop defending hypocrisy by wokesters at HHR!

      Just accept that Bitter’s silly premise is stoopid to try and mock others when his hero was guilty of the same thing for decades.

      At the end of the day, Trump governed as a GOP so trying to mock his past business dealings in senseless.

      No one is arguing Trump is more conservative than Reagan or vice verses.

      The debate was about factual events. That simple.

      It’s like a hooker telling another hooker she’s a whore with no morals. It’s just a stoopid argument to make and we expect that from wokesters like Bitter defending Bruce Springsteen.

    287. NYCmike says:

      “How many Republicans does Bill Gates contribute to? Zuckerberg? Soros?

      Trump contributed to Dems because that was his ideology.”

      -Gates to Republicans 0% Democrats 100%
      Zuck to Republicans 0% Democrats 100%
      Soros to Republicans 0% Democrats 100%

      Trump to Republicans 46% Democrats 54%

      Yup, no difference at all!

    288. Tgca says:

      291

      Trump was never ideological. Please show us where he strongly advocated and campaigned on issues politically.

      He was always about greasing the wheels for business purposes. He gave to both sides frequently.

      He has listed many times how he gave to various GOP folks for decades. Records show that. His Dem critics argued that as well until he shut them up with I gave to you Dems too.

    289. NYCmike says:

      Also, I did not bring up Reagan.

      No need to compare him and Trump.

      I’ll simply look at their records as President, and appreciate both of them.

    290. Bitterlaw says:

      Just accept that Bitter’s silly premise is stoopid to try and mock others when his hero was guilty of the same thing for decades.

      Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. The New Deal Democrats would be considered right wing zealots by today’s Democrats.

    291. Bitterlaw says:

      Reagan was a Top 5 President. Trump was a good President. Too early to give him a rating.

    292. Tgca says:

      297

      Reagan was a Top 5 president? Trump was good?

      Depends on who you ask so it is meaningless until it stands the test of time after many generations.

      Many people claim Obama is at the top of the list too.

      Many also say Trump was worst president ever.

      These are basically popularity contests at a point in time when you ask people.

      In 20 years, Washington and Lincoln may easily be downgraded as poor presidents since there’s already an effort to re-write history.

    293. Wes says:

      Actually, Mikey, Bill Gates has the same 54-46 D/R split on his donations as Trump:

      https://www.campaignmoney.com/biography/bill_gates.asp

    294. NYCmike says:

      CCC

    295. NYCmike says:

      “Actually, Mikey, Bill Gates has the same 54-46 D/R split on his donations as Trump:”

      -If that is the case, it gives more credence to the idea that D.C. Republicans are running interference to make sure Big Tech keeps the status quo intact, and those Republicans need to be called out, if the Republican Party ever wants a semblance of balance in the media.

    296. NYCmike says:

      It also gives more credence to the idea that Trump played the game that he needed to.

      He was not ideological. He was a self-interested jackass who did whatever he could to keep more money in his own pocket.

      God Bless him.

    297. Tgca says:

      Thweee Hundwid and thweee Bishes!

      Thweee Hundwid and thweee I thay!

    298. Tgca says:

      299

      The point is that it appears Trump made political donations for business purposes and not because he was an ideologue. That may seem fake but it’s what big businesses do all the time.

      However, there are many activists on the left and right who appear more ideological and gear their support based on their beliefs as well.

      Now some of that is probably fake too since they do it to stay in good graces with certain groups to also benefit themselves. An example is celebrities who jump on the band wagon hoping to help their career. How many in Hollywood were preaching BLM or white privilege until the last year?

      The difference is some will become activists so they can keep relevant personally.

    299. Bitterlaw says:

      301 So Republicans who take money from Gates have impure motives but Republicans who took money from Demicrat Trump were pure and praiseworthy.

      I love this place.

    300. NYCmike says:

      #305 – Maybe. Maybe not. I would rather not make sweeping generalizations like that. It would depend on each specific issue before the legislature.

      But, right now, despite your unwillingness to call out the censorship of Big Tech, those companies have powerful lobbyist friends, and the money those companies spend on lobbying are trying to make sure the current laws/regulations/rules are not altered in any way.

    301. Bitterlaw says:

      #305 – Maybe. Maybe not. I would rather not make sweeping generalizations like that. It would depend on each specific issue before the legislature.

      But here comes a sweeping generalization from NYC:

      “Actually, Mikey, Bill Gates has the same 54-46 D/R split on his donations as Trump:”

      -If that is the case, it gives more credence to the idea that D.C. Republicans are running interference to make sure Big Tech keeps the status quo intact, and those Republicans need to be called out, if the Republican Party ever wants a semblance of balance in the media.

      I wonder if NYC ever called out any of the Democrats who took Trump’s money.

    302. NYCmike says:

      “I wonder if NYC ever called out any of the Democrats who took Trump’s money.”

      -I do call out the Democrats who take money. Of course, I already know they are petty tyrants, and they are trying to consolidate their power over the American populace, which is why I vote against them.

      It is much more important to get the party I vote for and/or support to legislate in a manner which makes sense for ALL Americans, NOW and in the future.

    303. lisab says:

      just fyi,

      the reason they would cheat on the top line candidates only, and not for races below president

      is because the ballots change down ballot. that is, the top line is always president but local races change. therefore, if you need 100,000 votes and need a machine to fill them out — you can’t also fill out the lower races

      thus why so many president only ballots are cast

    304. Bitterlaw says:

      -I do call out the Democrats who take money. Of course, I already know they are petty tyrants, and they are trying to consolidate their power over the American populace, which is why I vote against them but give free pass to their banker Trump because he was a businessman.

      Fixed it.

    305. Wes says:

      Um, Lisa, statewide elections appear on every ballot in their respective states.

    306. lisab says:

      yes, but trying to program a machine to correctly fill out ballots when the local school board or sheriff or whatever is also on the ballot makes it very difficult to manage …

      but since you know the top line is always president, you can easily program the machine to fill out ballots as long as the lower races are left blank …

    307. Cash Cow TM says:

      DRUDGE

      With Juneteenth, Federal Employees Now Get 44 Paid Days Off Each Year!

    308. Cash Cow TM says:

      I am taking an old adage and twisting it a bit to create a new one.

      People who are stoned should not throw glass houses.

    309. NYCmike says:

      Bitterlaw gets more agitated over Trump’s donations than he does over the FBI handling of FISA warrants, Hillary’s emails and Hunter Biden laptops.

    310. Bitterlaw says:

      Actually, NYC, it’s been a long time since you mentioned FISA warrants, Hillary’s emails, and Hunter Biden’s laptop. Shame on you.

    311. jason says:

      NYC is Chuck Schumer’s bitch.

      Nobody has done more to promote Chuck Schumer and worked to ensure he became majority leader here on HHR than NYC.

      Yet he thinks he can judge others here on how “conservative” they are.

      Don’t you love it here.

    312. jasonj says:

      “Trump made political donations for business purposes”

      BS.

      He made political donations because he was a liberal Democrat.

    313. Paul says:

      314: Election day will bring it to 45 days.

    314. Paul says:

      314: And the 44 days includes the average number of sick days (13) and vacation days (20). Actual holidays only is 11 with Juneteenth.

    315. Bitterlaw says:

      People actually use all of their vacation days? I don’t recall ever using more than 7 in a year.

    316. Tgca says:

      318

      By Jadon’s logic if you supported a liberal Democrat with donations, then you are a liberal Democrat.

      So it’s nice to see Jadon agrees that Reagan was a liberal Democrat for decades since he supported liberal Democrats.

    317. Tgca says:

      321

      Most companies now require folks to use it or lose their vacation time so they don’t build it up because it has legal and financial reporting requirements.

      I knew of many inefficient workers who never took all their vacation too because they were always behind or working inefficiently so I understand how not everyone uses all their vacation.

    318. Bitterlaw says:

      I knew of many inefficient workers who never took all their vacation too because they were always behind or working inefficiently so I understand how not everyone uses all their vacation.

      In 28 years I have lost months of accrued time.
      I was always on top of things. I just can’t relax. If I am going to wonder about what is happening at work while I am off, I’m not really off. I was e-mailing and talking to adjusters from Rome.

    319. Tgca says:

      Gawd! I learn so much from the internet.

      For example, it’s hurtful to use the term “breast feeding” since not everyone has breasts and/or many suffer from body dysmorphia.

      It is more appropriate and respectful to use the term “chest feeding” so let’s all be respectful and inclusive at HHR and try to use this more appropriate term in the future.

      I know many birthing persons will appreciate this inclusivity.

      https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/this-freak-was-bottle-fed-liquid-indoctrination/

    320. Bitterlaw says:

      My family just arrived in San Diego. Fortunately, I was able to avoid the trip. I looked at the forecast. A week of the same weather. Zzzzzzzzzzz

    321. lisab says:

      People actually use all of their vacation days? I don’t recall ever using more than 7 in a year.
      —————–

      of course you have had plenty of time off

    322. lisab says:

      With Juneteenth, Federal Employees Now Get 44 Paid Days Off Each Year!
      ——————————–

      thank the gods i don’t wok in that coal mine!

    323. lisab says:

      or work … 🙂

    324. Bitterlaw says:

      If HHR was Survivor, Tgca would definitely be the snake. Lisab would be the rat.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aBSMBfoMVHk

      I genuinely despise her but feel relieved to grow increasingly indifferent to her viciousness.

    325. Tgca says:

      326

      Yes, being in the dirty filthy smelly woke Philly is the better place to be in June. That’s why it appeals to woke people.

    326. jason says:

      By Jadon’s logic if you supported a liberal Democrat with donations, then you are a liberal Democrat.”

      Nah.

      I think you are liberal Dem if you say Dem economic policies work best for the country, if you advocate for socialized medicine, if you support the AFL-cIO’s agenda and if you say you are ok with partial birth abortion. And on top of that you fund Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton and the DNSC. In addition, you say Hillary Clinton would be a good President.

      THEN you make a good case.

    327. jason says:

      Former Vice President Mike Pence has his work cut out for him when it comes to fusing former President Donald Trump’s MAGA movement with a more traditional brand of conservatism.

      The massive challenge in front of him was on display Friday at the Faith and Freedom Coalition “Road to Majority” conference in Orlando where his introductory remarks were interrupted by shouts of “traitor!” from a small group of hecklers.

      It has been clear that some diehard Trump supporters have yet to forgive Mr. Pence for refusing to take the unprecedented step as a vice president of refusing to allow Congress to certify the Electoral College vote in favor of President Biden — an authority that most constitutional scholars say he did not possess.”

      I don’t blame him for not allowing Congress to certify the EC vote.

      I blame him for accepting the MSM/Dem/NeverTrump narrative of what happened and for not standing with Trump on denouncing election fraud.

      In my view, he burned his bridges just like Nikki Haley did with her BLM pandering.

    328. jason says:

      Dems declare war on the Catholic church.

      “60 Catholic Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives issued a “Statement of Principles” with a message to U.S. bishops that “the weaponization of the Eucharist to Democratic lawmakers for their support of a woman’s safe and legal access to abortion is contradictory”.

    329. Wes says:

      So, basically, Jason, some Trump supporters don’t like Pence because he refused to do something illegal and unconstitutional.

      Talk about irony.

    330. Bitterlaw says:

      350+ days a year of temperatures between 72 and 78 degrees and sunny does not meet my requirement of 4 seasons.

    331. Wes says:

      I’ll admit, although I’m an avid reader and have read it and its attendant books, Lord of the Rings has never been my favorite thing. I have a ton of reasons for that, but having said I don’t hold it on a pedestal as some do, I will say I respect the fact that Tolkien created a profound world that’s had an incredible influence on society since he wrote it.

      Unfortunately now, the wokesters are taking over Tolkien fandom and, much like Morgoth in the backstory of Tolkien’s principal work, begun corrupting it into something twisted and distorted beyond recognition.

      Recently Christopher Tolkien–Tolkien’s son and the biggest champion of his father’s works–died. Since then Tolkien’s daughter has taken control of the estate and let these SJWs begin ruining her father’s legacy.

      It’s simply appalling. Sadly it isn’t the first instance of such a thing.

      Recently ERB, Inc–the company founded by my favorite author, Edgar Rice Burroughs, to promote his works–has gone woke as well even to the point of authorizing an absolutely abominable book rewriting the story of Jane Porter, the main heroine in the Tarzan series, as a left-wing SJW character. She in no way resembled such a thing in the original novels.

      Wokeism is an assault on our culture, attacking and/or rewriting anything that doesn’t conform to their divisive PC agenda and trying to brainwash people into accepting their distorted vision of society despite its sheer lunacy.

      It must stop at some point.

      https://notthebee.com/article/the-tolkien-society-goes-full-woke-bows-to-the-will-of-sauron-in-new-summer-seminar

    332. Tgca says:

      337

      Agreed! But as long as folks buy into the woke culture or refuse to do anything about it and remain silent, then this nonsense will continue.

      I try to do my part by refusing to purchase services and products where I can because it sends a message. I understand sometimes it’s not possible to avoid the sponsors of woke culture if they provide an important or essential service not easily attainable elsewhere, like a local food store or utility service.

      So if you wish to drink Coke and watch the NBA or the NFL, that is fine but you don’t have a right to complain about woke culture if you contribute to the sponsors of wokeness by providing them a platform to spread wokeness because in essence you support wokeness by your consumer actions.

    333. Phil says:

      Yes, Wes. It must stop at some point. Will it? You will have your answer to that in the results of the 2022 midterms. If there is not a backlash at the polls after all of this then there will never be one.

    334. jason says:

      So, basically, Jason, some Trump supporters don’t like Pence because he refused to do something illegal and unconstitutional.

      Talk about irony”

      True. It was not his role to reject the EC certification. In that case he did the right thing and Trump was wrong to try to get him to do otherwise.

      I don’t like him because he refused to the right thing and stand with Trump regarding the Jan 6 narrative and election fraud.

      His disloyalty to Trump on those two issues killed any chance I would ever support him for President.

    335. jason says:

      I guess not like him is a little strong. Like him less is probably a better way to put it.

      I think he did a good job as VP.

      But, like Nikki Haley, he has been too eager to try to get along with the MSM.

    336. jason says:

      Wokeism is an assault on our culture, attacking and/or rewriting anything that doesn’t conform to their divisive PC agenda and trying to brainwash people into accepting their distorted vision of society despite its sheer lunacy.”

      Unfortunately too many people who should rebel against it are either too afraid or too complacent to do so.

    337. Tgca says:

      Pence is a COWARD!

      If he really did believe the election had serious fraud issues or that the Jan 6th supporters who trespassed into the capital were not a real threat to democracy, as VP, he had the responsibility to speak up but instead he sat it out.

      Folks from Jan 6th are still being held in jail while Antifa and BLM violent protestors were released to roam the street to continue their violence.

      That’s what makes Pence unsuitable for higher office.

      He lacks the will and spine to stand up and defend his supporters.

      I would NEVER vote for him. I’d write in a candidate instead.

      He betrayed conservatives and showed how disloyal he was.

    338. Phil says:

      I know this. Here in Texas wokism isn’t going over at all. Public opinion is heavily against it. Rural and suburbanites are disgusted by it, There are pockets like Austin that want to push it….but even there, there is a sense among some traditional liberals that it’s the wrong road to go on.

      Fortunately, at least in the schools here, the legislature nixed it in the schools. Won’t make it into our curriculum and our textbooks.

      Sadly, places like Virginia and California it’s absolutely cemented in the schools. Places like Pa who should know better (with a Republican legislature no less) will go along with it)

      ….and don’t get me started on the Biden woke indoctrination of our military. What a disaster.

    339. Phil says:

      Pence and Nikki Haley have both shot themselves in the foot. Republicans are no longer interested in any more candidates who want to go out of their way to be loved by a media that hates them. They are done.

    340. Gordon Allen says:

      Pence was a Congressman too long( a week might be too long) and was indoctrinated in the get along, go along mindset, and fear of the MSM. Which is why, barring a very few exceptions, GOP Congressman and Senators should never be nominated for President.
      It’s a miracle Desantis didn’t get brainwashed in three terms there. But good thing he got out in time before his brain was fried.

    341. Tgca says:

      I came across this Elie Wiesel quote again today and it is so fitting for our times, especially for those that continue to support wokeism through their cowardice, indifference and behaviors.

      “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.”

    342. Tgca says:

      Champ passed away peacefully at home at 13.

      Probably the only decent uncorrupted member in the Biden family.

      RIP Champ!

      https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/biden-family-announces-death-beloved-155019679.html

    343. jason says:

      Pence’s statement that he and Trump don’t see eye to eye on Jan 6th is really asinine.

      There are two ways to see it, it is not rocket science.

      Either you believe Trump was inciting an armed insurrection or you don’t.

    344. jason says:

      Bitter would probably agree with this article.

      But it misses the main point. It is not that I enjoy woke sports but won’t watch because it is woke.

      I don’t enjoy woke sports.

      https://redstate.com/jerrywilson/2021/06/19/why-conservatives-should-still-enjoy-sports-n399070

    345. lisab says:

      pence probably did the right thing for the country

      even if it kills his career

      without any support from the courts, had pence tried to decertify the election, the country would have exploded in riots

      and trump would not have been able to put the riots down

      once the courts decided to not get involved the election was over

    346. lisab says:

      I don’t enjoy woke sports.
      —————————-

      you are not looking at it from both sides

      do you really want one side to win and have the other fans be upset?

      isn’t it better if everyone just gets along?

    347. lisab says:

      I’ve looked at sports from both sides now
      From up and down and still somehow
      It’s woke illusions I recall
      I really don’t know sports at all

    348. Tgca says:

      350

      What a stoopid article!

      Let’s enjoy sports by watching it more because it will annoy the left if we don’t boycott sports or call them on their wokeism?

      REALLY. That’s an idiotic view.

      That’s like saying So let’s annoy the radical lefties in Congress who propose radical changes to our nation by just keeping quiet and letting them implement their agenda.

      Oh that will really annoy the lefties if conservatives just sit back and let them do as they please unchallenged.

      This stoopid moronic view only accomplishes nothing and only emboldens the lefties more because they feel they can get in your face and insult you even more knowing you will still be stoopid enough to buy their products because they think you have no better alternative and need their products so badly so there’s no downside to them insulting you.

      It’s like pay up, sit down and shut up while I humiliate you in front of all…and thanks for shopping too. Suckah!!!

    349. Tgca says:

      351

      You miss the point LisB!

      This is not about Pence refusing to certify, this is about Pence not defending vociferously the issues at hand.

      Trump DID NOT incite a riot! The timeline has been shown over and over not to be the case including his own words not being inciteful like the members of Congress who have encouraged riots last year.

      Pence could have stated he had serious concerns but despite the lack of remedy by the Courts and timing, he would uphold his duty but request this be seriously reviewed.

      He’s a COWARD! Real leadership calls for making statements and pushing for an agenda when it really matters even in the face of criticism but he refused to do that.

      Pence should never be close to any elected office ever again because he is weak and spineless and lacks the courage leaders often need to lead effectively.

      I will NEVER cast a vote for him. I’d leave it blank if it came down to giving it to him against Hilary or Kamala. I don’t vote for traitorous unloyal COWARDS!

    350. Tgca says:

      Good summary by Dershowitz on recent SCOTUS decisions. He evidently must be reading my EXPERT posts here to agree with me.

      In summary, he agrees:

      On religious bias, the Court is not going to allow religious folks to be discriminated against at the expense of non-religious issues where there are 2 standards with one of them being punitive to religious folks.

      On Obamacare, the Court is sending the message that it’s not going to change it so if you want to change it, work through the legislative process to make changes. We ain’t going near it!

      https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/alan-dershowitz-supreme-court-philadelphia-obama/2021/06/19/id/1025674/

    351. Tgca says:

      26 year old NYC council candidate outs himself with BDSM video and says he’s not ashamed.

      “This was a recreational activity that I did with my friend at the time, for fun. …I am a proud BDSMer. I like BDSM activity,”

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/earth-struggling-nyc-city-council-candidates-campaign-handed-new-york-post-bdsm-video/

    352. Wes says:

      I can’t really fault someone for a personal sexual fetish so long as his partners are willing and legal.

    353. lisab says:

      pence could have raised hell

      but the statesman thing to do is accept the results of an election

    354. Wes says:

      I guess it’s pretty clear now why Josh Mandel never made any headway against Sherrod Brown in 2012:

      https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshMandelOhio/status/1405980032816713728

      While Mandel is beclowning himself by calling for the deportation of an American citizen from another state, Jane Timken is being serious about the race and actually organizing for the primary.

      I doubt many Ohioans outside those strongly engaged in politics even know who Ihlan Omar is. As Timken has done, Mandel needs to start heeding Tip O’Neill’s famous adage: All politics is local.

    355. jason says:

      I think Tgca’s criticism of Pence is a little over the top.

      I think he didn’t show leadership and was too influenced by the MSM. I think in his heart he wanted to stand with Trump but just didn’t have the political courage to do so. But coward is a little strong.

      If he had Presidential ambitions he needed to have handled Jan 6 and election fraud in a different manner.

      But he was a good governor and a good VP and is a good man.

    356. jason says:

      but the statesman thing to do is accept the results of an election”

      I don’t think he should have “accepted” the results of the election. I think he should have been a lot more vocal in challenging the results in PA, GA, NV, MI, and WI

      But that was not his role on Jan 6th.

    357. Tgca says:

      361

      Screw Pence!

      May he rot in the bowels of Hell for being such a p*ssy!

    358. Tgca says:

      358

      You can’t fault someone for sexual fetishes? Really?

      Sex is for procreation ONLY and should always be a in a dark room with the lights off and you don’t talk about it afterwards.

      It’s that simple!

    359. Wes says:

      Tg, if sex were for procreation only, I’d have a couple of battalions worth of kids. Thankfully it’s also for pleasure.

    360. Bitterlaw says:

      I don’t care what any of you do. Sixers play at 8:00 tomorrow night. Game 7 against Hawks with winner going to Eastern Conference finals. Sixers blew 2 games in epic collapses.

    361. Bitterlaw says:

      I don’t own any Sixers gear.

    362. Bitterlaw says:

      I will not attend a HHR gathering if lisab goes. However, I did find a place for it.

      https://www.llamainnnyc.com/Menus/Llama_Inn_Menu.pdf

    363. Wes says:

      Hm. Apparently the new Pinhead from the Hellraiser franchise will be female. While ordinarily I decry arbitrary woke gender switches, here I can’t complain since in the original novella Pinhead is androgynous:

      https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3670205/confirmed-odessa-azion-takes-lead-role-hellraiser/?fbclid=IwAR2OdsghEdLaPIzjokNE3l5qU-aeoEdpiZ0OI_fPdz28-wnmTcjrIeMH5Yw

    364. Ohio Joe says:

      “I guess it’s pretty clear now why Josh Mandel never made any headway against Sherrod Brown in 2012:”

      That is rich, a North Carolinian thinks he knows the Buckeye state. Wow! Wonders never cease.

    365. Phil says:

      Evanston, Illinois city council votes tax payer funds to reparations for black residents. Ten million bucks. LOL

      Leave it to the brilliant MFing Yankees.

    366. Cash Cow TM says:

      “Michigan. [post election analysis]

      Lawyer Matt DePerno made two big reveals detailing remote access to election management machines and errors on printed ballots during an interview on Steve Bannon’s WarRoom Pandemic last Friday:
      Two things we put out late last evening, two new reports that came out. One shows that there was, we’ve proved now that there was direct access to the Antrim County Election Management System, because we show on November 5, we can see it in the forensic images, that an anonymous user logged onto the EMS remotely with escalated privileges and made changes to the database, when they were trying to re-tabulate the election.

      So, that’s one huge, huge development because now we prove that the machines were remotely accessed and, more importantly, they were remotely accessed by an anonymous user who had elevated privileges in the system.

      And the other thing, probably as equally as explosive. Everyone’s seen ballots before, like these ballots here [waves a paper ballot]. On the side of the ballot, there’s these black boxes, there’s 59 black boxes on the side of the ballot. We now see within the forensic images that in Antrim County those blocks, blocks 15, 18, 28, 41 and 44, were all intentionally modified, the height and the width, the shape of the blocks were intentionally modified in order to generate errors.

      What does an error do? In this case by modifying those specific blocks, they were able to cause rejections for Republican ballots, meaning if you voted for Donald Trump and then put your ballot in the machine, your ballot was rejected at a rate of 20% more than Joe Biden ballots.”

    367. Bitterlaw says:

      That’s ok, Ohio Joe. Phil thinks he knows about PA and everybody thinks they know about my small township (the number 1 school district in PA).

    368. Cash Cow TM says:

      From RedState

      “Here is some Dominion information suppressed by the Democrat-media complex courtesy of social media personality @KanekoaTheGreat:
      KanekoaTheGreat

      [Jun 10, 2021 1:01:47 PM]

      Staple Street Capital, a private-equity firm, purchased Dominion on July 16, 2018 for approximately $265 million. William Kennard, the Chairman at Staple Street Capital was previously the Ambassador to the EU under Obama and the FCC Chief under Clinton.

      UBS Securities LLC invested $400 million into Staple Street Capital on Oct. 8, 2020. There are two UBS Securities; one in New York (LLC) & one in Beijing (Co. Ltd.). The three board members of UBS NY are; Luo Qiang, Ye Xiang, & Mu Lina.

      Luo Qiang was also on the board at UBS Beijing. Ye Xiang was the Board Chairman at UBS Beijing, a former Executive Director at Bank of China International, & a Secretary at the People’s Bank of China. Mu Lina was a Director at UBS Beijing. (Refer to this report.)

      Mu Lina was a board member of Chongqing Three Gorges & SureKAM Corporation. SureKAM is a “Mini-Huawei” led by a former Huawei employee. UBS Beijing was established under personal supervision of the Vice President of China, Wang Qishan.

      UBS Beijing previously executed IPOs for Bank of China, Industrial Bank of China, China Construction Bank, etc. Cheng Yisun, the Board Director at UBS Beijing, was a part of the CCP’s Thousand Talents Plan & his uncle was a high-ranking CCP-official.

      Xu Zhe, Board Director at UBS Beijing, is also Chairman of Capinfo, an industry leader among Chinese-state owned enterprises. “UBS Beijing is highly integrated with CCP military, intelligence, political-legal, digital totalitarian, & financial oligarch forces.”

      It’s important to remember an analysis of 3,000 US counties shows Joe Biden received 5.6% more votes in counties which used Dominion Machines. This over-performance was the same in Biden-counties as Trump-counties whenever Dominion was used.

      The Dominion Forensic Audit in Antrim County, Michigan showed an error rate of 68.05% when the FEC guidelines allow for an error rate of 0.0008%. The forensic report concluded these “inherent errors” were used to “create systemic fraud”.

      It’s also important to remember that the Biden-family is in business with Chinese-nationals with “deep connections” to the “Communist Chinese government” & “the People’s Liberation Army” according to the Grassley-Senate Report.

      [From Wikipedia:] Dominion Voting Systems is the 2nd largest voting machine company in the USA. They serve 40% of American Voters and are used in all currently contested swing states:

      Nevada
      Arizona
      Minnesota
      Michigan
      Wisconsin
      Georgia

      Pennsylvania

      Why did a CCP-owned company invest $400 million into Dominion Voting System’s parent company one month before the 2020 election?”

    369. Bitterlaw says:

      Brooklyn Nets lose Game 7 in overtime. Nets fans devastated. Both of them.

    370. jason says:

      Who did the woke Nets lose to?

    371. Tgca says:

      Sad!

      Gay Pride Parade only blocks from me tonight results in death.

      Truck ran into people and killed one person and sent another to the hospital. CongressCritter Debbie Wasserman was in convertible as part of parade caravan and her car was just missed by the crashing truck.

      Driver arrested was wearing Gay Men’s Chorus t-shirt and it’s been quoted he was part of the celebration.

      Parade canceled but the rest of the festivities continued.

      https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/breaking-multiple-people-run-over-by-truck-at-stonewall-pride-parade-in-wilton-manors/2476568/

    372. Wes says:

      What’s truly rich is that Ohio Dumbass makes fun of what I said without actually offering a rebuttal.

      I’d say wonders never cease, but it’s the standard vapid stupidity Ohio Dumbass always displays on here.

    373. Bitterlaw says:

      The Nets lost to the Bucks. Kevin Durant scored 48 points. He needed to score 49 for the win but his toe was on the point arc when he took the shot.

    374. Bitterlaw says:

      3 point arc.

    375. Bitterlaw says:

      Happy Father’s Day. Of course, the name might have changed to Impregnating Person Day.

    376. Cash Cow TM says:

      Happy Fathers Day to all the HHR dads, and thanks for all the good things you do as a dad.

      ##########################################

      And Happy Birthday to WV (June 20, 1863)

    377. Bitterlaw says:

      We hope Walt stops by to tell us about what it was like in 1863.

    378. Wes says:

      While we’re discussing noteworthy things today, Happy Summer Solstice.

    379. Wes says:

      Since West Virginia broke from Virginia on this day in 1863, should we call today Human Stupidity Day because of Joe Manchin?

    380. Wes says:

      William Braddock–who last week threatened to have Anna Paulina Luna killed–has officially exited the primary race to replace congressional weathervane Charlie Crist:

      https://mobile.twitter.com/rpyers/status/1405988566350499842?s=20

    381. Phil says:

      That’s good news out of Florida, Wes. That would be one of the easier seats to flip with a sane candidate if Republicans want to gain the House. It’s the kind of seat Republicans need in their up hill fight to gain a majority.

    382. jason says:

      What is scary is we all must have some of Walt’s DNA.

    383. Tgca says:

      How do they get away with this chit!

      Congress should hold hearings on this. Seriously!

      How many times does the IRS have to get caught doing this stoopid chit!

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/19/denies-christian-profit-tax-exempt-status-bibles-teachings-affiliated-republican-party/

    384. Wes says:

      Well, Phil, when even the Washington Post is conceding the House to the GOP in 2022, I don’t see how winning it back is an uphill fight:

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/28/house-looks-like-gop-lock-2022-senate-will-be-much-harder/%3foutputType=amp

    385. Tgca says:

      391

      Don’t count your chicks before those eggs is hatched!

      There’s plenty of time for Dems to plan stealing the election again.

    386. Tom says:

      392. Tgca – I’m sure those plans are already in place. It’s just a question of whether or not the GOP has a good plan to counter them. Haven’t heard of one so far.

    387. Tgca says:

      393

      Agreed Tom!

      Except in North Carolina because no one evah tries to steal elections year. Elections are only stolen in the 49 other states.

    388. Wes says:

      That’s pretty much what you and Jason were saying, Tg, since you couldn’t explain how Democrats could spend over $200 million here, control the entire electoral process, and still lose.

    389. Phil says:

      Wes, in the case of Cal, just have a blatant affair that gets out in the open five weeks before the election turning a comfortable three to four point win into a one point loss. The NC GOP got incredibly lucky.

    390. Wes says:

      As I told you, Phil, Cunningham was an overrated candidate who found a way to lose.

      Democrats were still confident of his victory after news of the affair broke, and Roy Cooper promised to get him elected.

      Obviously Tarheels had other plans for him of family values.

    391. Tgca says:

      395. Wes

      I think we explained it NUMEROUS times but you just don’t get it.

      Y’all southeners with the irritating accents ain’t the sharpest knives in the drawers I see but y’all is polite and you know how to make some awesome tasty grits so I give credit there.

    392. Wes says:

      You explained it, but your arguments made about as much sense as turning on an AC unit on the UP in January. You were just trying to come up with something to help you cope with being wrong and blindly followed Trump’s outright lie about winning in a landslide because nothing better popped up. It didn’t matter your argument was and nonsensical. You had to have it for catharsis after a disastrously inaccurate prediction.

    393. Tgca says:

      Fawwww Hundwid bishes!

      Fawwww Hundwid I thay!

    394. Tgca says:

      399

      So the audits around the US and the 70% of GOP voters, tens of millions of them, are conspiracy loons and all those affidavits by folks alleging improper procedures and fraud, and all the discrepancies identified to date are just coincidence.

      The mathematicians and statisticians don’t know what they’re talking about but giving body rubs qualifies you to discard all scientific evidence.

      I’m glad Wes is not leading any law enforcement or he’d be reporting that crime doesn’t happen and all deaths are from disease and natural causes.

      If the mafia doesn’t exist in North Carolina, it doesn’t exist anywhere in the US.

      If gang violence is not a problem in North Carolina, it’s not a problem anywhere in the US.

      If illegal immigrants don’t enter the US through North Carolina, then it does happen anywhere else in the US.

      Ok. Got it!

    395. Wes says:

      Here’s a statistic for you, Tg:

      1) Trump was an unpopular President.

      2) Unpopular Presidents invariably lose.

      3) Trump lost.

      That’s just how that works. You can create all the biased statistics and wish casting you want, but reality ultimately prevails.

    396. Wes says:

      Before you jump to the inevitable argument about biased media polls, I’m basing Trump’s unpopularity on Gallup–the gold standard of presidential approval, which I cite for every President since Gallup began taking its surveys:

      https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

    397. Wes says:

      Being at 43-55 right before the election ensured Trump would lose.

      That’s just reality. I’m sorry to dispel your fantasy.

    398. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      403. According to Nate Silver, the most accurate polls for the Nov 2020 election were AtlasIntel, Trafalgar, and Rasmussen.

      Most polls predicted a Democratic landslide in 2020, which did not take place. The Republicans even gained seats in the House.

      Although polling can be hit or miss, I give more weight to Rasmussen than Gallup polls for accuracy.

      I do see the possibility that neither Biden or Trump will be on the 2024 ballot; age is a factor, but also by 2024 the voters may want a break from the past, and new candidates who are not approaching age 80.

    399. Wes says:

      I was talking strictly about presidential popularity, SDC. Gallup has a much longer track record than Rasmussen and is known for accuracy and lack of bias.

      https://news.gallup.com/poll/329384/presidential-approval-ratings-joe-biden.aspx

    400. Bitterlaw says:

      SDC – My family told me they are enjoying their trip. Too bad the weather is the same in February, May, August , October and December and the sun sets over the ocean.

    401. Tgca says:

      404

      Wes

      Your analysis is flawed and you misinterpreted the approval ratings you quoted.

      Trump’s approval rating just before the 2020 election was 46% (see below from the Gallup website where Gallup states it’s the FINAL pre-election poll) and not 43% as you stated.

      https://news.gallup.com/poll/267905/gallup-election2020-center.aspx

      The 43% you refer to is the 2-week approval rating of Trump from 11/5 thru 11/19, and includes 13 of 15 days post election and which was expected to drop because he went on a public warpath of having the election stolen and would not concede.

      His next approval rating released in Dec 2020 for 12/1 thru 12/17 dropped even further to 39% as he continued to rant about a stolen election and did not fully concede.

      My gut feeling is that on Election Day 2020 his approval rating was 46% or probably slightly higher to average a 15-day 43% after all the post-election drama but we don’t know for certain as Gallup doesn’t publish daily numbers.

      https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

      Also, the last favorability poll by Gallup just before the 2016 election showed Trump at 35% which is 11 points lower than what it showed for the last approval poll for him for the 2020 election and he still won in 2016 though his favorability was 11 points lower than in 2020 pre-election day.

      https://news.gallup.com/poll/189299/presidential-election-2016-key-indicators.aspx

      For reference purposes, GWB had a 48% approval rating just before the 2004 election compared to Trump’s 46% so statistically, Trump was not in bad shape pre-election day if you focus simply on these so-called “Gold Standard” Gallup poll numbers.

    402. Wes says:

      You can have a gut feeling all you like, Tg, but you overlook the fact that GWB was in narrowly positive territory (48-45) in 2004 while Trump was in negative territory in 2020.

      Comparing Trump’s popularity as a non-incumbent against an also unpopular non-incumbent who came under FBI investigation a week before the election in 2016 is also a foolish comparison since Biden wasn’t under investigation right before the 2020 election.

      We all know elections are about the incumbent. Trump was underwater in favorables last year against an opponent not named Hillary.

      Your self-serving flawed algorithms and attempts to distort reality to try to cope with your failed prediction are unconvincing.

      Trump was an unpopular President and lost just as every other unpopular President has done. It’s simple reality. Trump joined Quincy Adams, van Buren, Ben Harrison, Taft, Hoover, Carter, and GHWB as an unpopular President who lost reelection. (Before you launch into your strawman, yes, I know Presidents before Hoover had no polls to gauge their popularity.)

      It has happened to every other unpopular President in history. Trump was never going to be the exception despite your attempts to rewrite history.

    403. Wes says:

      Last three Presidents’ popularity going into their reelection bids:

      GWB-48/45

      Obama-52/45

      Trump-43/55 or 46/52 depending on when you look at it

      Bush won 51-48 nationally and carried the Electoral College.

      Obama won 51-47 nationally and carried the Electoral College.

      Trump lost 47-51 nationally and lost the Electoral College.

      It’s simple reality, Tg–something you have a problem with because of your inability to admit you were wrong and need to believe Trump wasn’t lying when he declared himself the winner in a landslide.

    404. Wes says:

      God forbid you should ever be able to admit you made a bad prediction, Tg.

    405. Tgca says:

      409

      Wes

      You are twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to justified erroneous conclusions you made from the data.

      You referenced the data incorrectly so your analysis is flawed. You are now essentially arguing the data you referenced to make your point is not important but what is important is your views on qualitative commentary like:

      We all know elections are about incumbents
      Nobody liked Trump
      He was under water all year
      Blah blah blah

      You are the kind of person that makes my job easy in the real world when I can show officials in cross examination or discovery the errors and weak points of an adversary’s argument and then you continue to argue on “your feelings” regardless of your flawed analysis. It discredits your original analysis and trust into your work.

      I agree there are some qualitative analysis that can help tell a story but if you’re quantitative analysis fails, you lose credibility arguing just qualitatively.

      I am awaiting until all the audits are done and we can see the evidence to see if there really was fraud and how much because all forensics data to date seems to point to classic fraud whether you accept it or not.

      If in the end, they prove the fraud was not great enough in those select 4 states to change the votes by approximately 40,000 that would have given Trump an electoral victory, then fine, I will accept it but please don’t insult my intelligence or those that are taking a more scientific approach to the issue based on the same forensic approaches that are used in every day criminal cases to prove fraud or some other well-established statistical conclusion.

      It makes you look very uneducated.

      Now go out and get yourself some Krispy Kreme’s and watch some reruns of Duck Dynasty.

      Hugs and kisses always

      TG

    406. Wes says:

      I get it, Tg. You just can’t live with the fact that you were wrong.

      It’s all right. It really is.

      Everyone makes bad predictions, even the self-proclaimed all-knowing Tgca. There’s nothing wrong with being wrong at times. I’m sure even Michael Barone has erred in his predictions before.

      I made a bad prediction in 2016 when I said Trump would lose. I’ve been able to acknowledge it.

      You should take a page from my playbook and just acknowledge being wrong rather than trying to twist reality to look as if you were correct when you weren’t.

    407. Tgca says:

      411

      This was an extremely close election at the EC level. The only states that matter are those that were close in the EC.

      40,000 votes would have changed the election outcome.

      My analysis is based on that and the numerous reports of voting irregularities in those areas may have had a history of fraud and voter irregularity.

      National Popular vote is irrelevant here just as is averaged Gallup polling for all the states. Trump never competed in CA and NY which makes up 100% of Biden’s popular vote margin over Trump nationally.

      Throw out all the extremely lopsided states, blue and red, and you see how close the election was then.

      What matters is what happened in the districts both sides planned to win in and needed to win in, those 4 states with the 40,000 vote margin that decided the election.

      You can’t seem to grasp that and keep referring to national state average polls or what happened in North Carolina which is not the same as the districts we referenced where audits are being done or requested to be done.

      Why are you afraid to let the audits continue and the forensic data speak for itself?

      If they show clear evidence that the 40,000 margin would not have made a difference, fine, we accept it but in sinetying thos important where 70% of the GOP and close to 40% of all voters nationally question the integrity of the results, you should want to see a full forensic analysis. Otherwise, the message to many us your vote doesn’t count.

    408. Wes says:

      Look, Tg.

      I understand. Really I do.

      Trump will never admit he lost. Like Trump, you will never admit you were wrong

      It’s perfectly understandable to want to have a 100% accuracy rating in predictions.

      You didn’t. You should just learn to live with reality and admit you had no clue what you were talking about.

      You never will, but that doesn’t change reality.

      In any event, I’m tired of debating you and your inability to admit to being wrong.

      I’m going to go back to watching Nosferatu: Ein Symphonie des Grauens and depart this conversation.

      Feel free to continue to declare how reality is wrong while you’re right (in your own mind).

    409. Tgca says:

      413

      Wes

      You more often than not argue from an “emotional” view based on your qualitative points. I’m an analytical guy and believe in looking at data and then applying a qualitative analysis to support the data.

      You have not proven you were right. Not in the least bit!

      Not one court has looked at any evidence to date. All 80+ court decisions were based on standing or timing. Not one was based on data analysis.

      Just like all the folks in the MSM who have egg on their face for repeating “what they feel” over the last year with Covid, Hunter Biden, China, etc, as opposed to what the data says you may soon have egg on your face too.

      I have always said there is strong forensic data to suggest fraud in SELECTED districts so let’s look at it. If I’m proven wrong, fine. But I have not been proven wrong to date and neither have 50M+ Trump voters who want a full forensic audit to determine what was probable or not.

      Under your view, DNA and fingerprint evidence would be thrown out of court because it does not fit your desired qualitative narrative but that’s not how forensic science works.

      Now go get yourself those Krispy Kreme’s before they close and enjoy Duck Dynasty.

      <3

      TG

    410. Phil says:

      I will go to my grave believing the election was stolen in key states.

      As far as the national polls going into the election the national numbers flat out no longer mean much. It’s a state by state slog to get to 270. The national poll numbers are nothing like the indicator they once were.

      Why? Simple. California and NY make the popular vote numbers irrelevant. No Republican will ever again win the popular vote. Those numbers have no relevance to Wisconsin, Georgia, Pa, Arizona….and then there is the fact that in each of those individual states the vote counting on election night stunk to high heaven. Disgraceful.

    411. Tgca says:

      415

      I think I it’s funny that as someone who has done a lot of forensic auditing and analysis, and testifying before authorities with statistical analysis at both federal and state levels does not know anything about data inconsistencies but a guy who loves to give men massages somehow with no related forensic auditing or statistical qualifications knows much more about forensics so they can just dismiss the possibility of fraud so it fits their narrative because as we all know,:

      As goes North Carolina, goes the rest of the nation, especially in a Philly, Detroit, Phoenix…

    412. Tgca says:

      Let’s not forget at one point in the night The NY Times was predicting with a comfortable statistical margin on the numbers coming that Trump would be re-elected but then it all went south as the counts stopped and late night voter dumps occurred.

      For Christ’s sakes! The NY Times of all organizations.

    413. Tgca says:

      417

      Don’t be stoopid Phil!

      You can’t look at it strategically from the EC or state by state analysis.

      Only the national numbers matter…and what happens in North Carolina of course…everything else is irrelevant.

    414. Phil says:

      I’d add Illinois to California and NY as formally competitive states that now just run up the numbers for any Democratic candidates. Skews the national numbers – making Trump’s national polling numbers just that much less of an indicator as to what happens in, say Georgia.

    415. Bitterlaw says:

      417 Phil will another “never” post.

    416. Phil says:

      Mr Abolish the filibuster man up and vote Illegals will vote Republican doesn’t like my analysis.

      I’m crushed.

    417. Bitterlaw says:

      I changed my position on the filibuster. You just keep dooming after your embarrassing posts about PA and a string of wrong posts about the guaranteed Democrat nominee.

    418. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes has repeatedly called you out on your “analysis,” Phil.

    419. Phil says:

      The fact that you ever held that position on the filibuster in the first place is beyond moronic. The only thing worse is your belief that illegals streaming across the border will vote Republican.

      As far as Wes disagreeing with me on my “analysis”, so what?

    420. Tgca says:

      425

      Wes analyses ain’t worth chit today based on the flaws in his posted analysis today where he used data after the election to make an argument it was determinative in the election, as corrected in 408.

      Arguing what you “THINK” happened when there is proof suggesting evidence contrary is not analysis but instead opinion.

      Wes should stick to Krispy Kreme’s, Duck Dynasty, and trashing the Sewer State of New Jersey and it’s Senator Menendez because at least there he can back up his qualitative analysis with quantitative data and facts.

    421. Wes says:

      I find it hilarious a guy who was 100% wrong about last year’s elections and has gone fully into M. John Harrison territory on reality because he’s too immature to admit his predictive failure claims my analysis is worthless.

      It’s absolutely hilarious–just like Tgca’s endless reality-distorting attempts to proclaim himself right about an election he got wrong.

    422. Wes says:

      Apparently Tgca thinks the entire fabric of the universe will unravel if he admits to having made a bad prediction about 2020.

      It won’t happen, Tg.

      This isn’t an episode of Lost.

      You can admit you were wrong. We won’t think any less of you for admitting to a bad prediction.

    423. Bitterlaw says:

      So Phil supported Democrats when they used the filibuster to stick it to Republicans? Good to know.

    424. Bitterlaw says:

      Maybe my Jewish wife and I did not vote for Trump. DNA is destiny, according to Phil.

    425. Phil says:

      Unlike you, bitter I’ve never ever called for the abolition of the filibuster, ever.….and, unlike you sure as hell didn’t support its abolition during a time with a Democratic majority in the Senate calling for

      DC statehood

      Adding Supreme Court seats

      HB1 promoting abolition of voter ID, legalization of ballot harvesting, Election Day voter registration, etc etc

      Amnesty and citizenship for illegals

      The green new deal

      Assault rifle bans and universal registration of firearms

      …and every other leftist wet dream wish list item ever conceived.

      Try again.

    426. Bitterlaw says:

      Keep making your joke predictions, Phil. They make us all feel better.

    427. Phil says:

      ….and keep with the open borders don’t worry, border crashers will vote like the Irish nonsense. You have to be Schumer’s favorite useful idiot Republican. Well, after Liz and Mitt I suppose…but you’re up there.

    428. Bitterlaw says:

      I have always been against letting the illegals in the country. I have always been against making them citizens. However, there has to be a plan for what to do if they get in and become citizens. Your only analysis is that you can’t trust them because of their ethnicity.

    429. Bitterlaw says:

      Phil is Schumer’s favorite Republican because Phil quit.

    430. Tgca says:

      Notice how Wes tries to mock and change the subject from his ERRONEOUS analysis I exposed in 408 with links, including the link he posted but misread.

      YOU QUOTED THE WRONG DATA IN YOUR ANALYSIS to support your conclusion.

      You quoted a poll that occurred AFTER the election NOT before the election.

      It’s not about me being right or wrong. The audits are not yet done. I’ve explained my position numerous times.

      Wes still refuses to answer my question why he is afraid to let all the forensic audits complete.

      He’s making an emotional argument and not one based on data. Argue like a man dude!

      Not one of Wes’s analyses includes any data that addresses the issue at hand. NOT ONE! It’s all what he feels and how he thinks everyplace is like North Carolina and national averages matter only and not state specific data.

      If this was a court of law or legal hearing, he would be laughed off the witness chair for arguing his feelings and providing wrong data and be deemed not credible.

      Keep to giving dudes massages Wes and let us big boys do the analytics and we’ll let you have some more Krispy Kreme’s and watch reruns of Duck Dynasty.

      DEAL?

    431. Tgca says:

      The debate between Phil and Bitter is quite boring. You need Jadon to spice it up a bit.

      Look at me and Wes. We get down and dirty into insults though Wes is clearly handicapped here.

      You guys need to man-up for a better debate.

      Your debate would be a flop on Pay-per-View.

    432. Bitterlaw says:

      I support DeSantis because I think he can win in 2024. Phil hardest hit.

    433. Bitterlaw says:

      Zzzzzzzzzzz. What is the Duck Dynasty reference? I don’t think Wes ever posted anything about that show. I did not watch it.

    434. Tgca says:

      Calling LisaB!

      Calling LisaB!

      We need you to spice up the Phil and Bitter debate. I’m dosing off here.

    435. Bitterlaw says:

      If lisab is coming on here, I’m out. I have no respect for her and despise her more than any other poster except for Buno. Enjoy the dog treats she tosses your way.

    436. Tgca says:

      It’s not my debate. It’s you and Phil.

      I’m off to watch some Roku now that I’ve finished my reading for the night.

      Btw, who comes after LisaB and Bunu? You should post your enemies list. It’s good practice if you run for office. All politicians keep an enemies list.

      Hugs and kisses as always

    437. Bitterlaw says:

      I have disagreements with almost every poster. I only hate Bunu and lisab.

    438. Tgca says:

      444

      Hate?

      Hate is not a Christian value!

      Repent sinner!

      Repent!

      Just remember…

      To err is human, to forgive is divine.

    439. Bitterlaw says:

      No redemption. Ever.

    440. Bitterlaw says:

      Lisab is the most anti-religion poster here.

    441. Tgca says:

      447

      Jesus would tell you to turn the other cheek

    442. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      407. “Too bad the weather is the same in February, May, August , October and December and the sun sets over the ocean.”

      Bitter, I just got back from southern Utah where the daily temperature was 115. It was like being cooked. Drove back at night and in Baker, California it was still 106.

      I will take the boring weather that is always the same in San Diego, and our cooling marine layer that comes in from the ocean.

    443. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      427. “I will go to my grave believing the election was stolen in key states.”

      Phil, look at the good side. Even when you go to your grave you will still be able to vote.

    444. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “MORE THAN 41,000 PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED PETITIONS TO STOP JEFF BEZOS FROM RETURNING TO EARTH AFTER HIS TRIP TO SPACE NEXT MONTH”

    445. Wes says:

      Goddamn.

      Tgca was literally so desperate he basically had to try to invalidate the fact that Trump was an unpopular President (the type of President who never wins election) by pointing out Gallup had Trump at 46-52 on Election Day rather than 43-55.

      Well, for a self-proclaimed expert, you’re not very good at math because having an approval rating below one’s disapproval rating still means a President is unpopular even if he’s less unpopular than in the two polls bookending that one poll.

      That still means Trump was unpopular and fated to lose.

      It’s all right, Tg. The universe won’t implode if you admit you were wrong.

    446. Gordon Allen says:

      What happens if the forensic audits in Georgia, Arizona, and Pa hypothetically show Trump actually won there,there, would mean he likely won in Wisconsin? The Democrats hysterical opposition to them indicates at minimum that they’re less confident than some here are that Trump ” lost”.Let’s see how it plays out.

    447. Bitterlaw says:

      If audits did show that, Biden would remain President. However, Republicans would have a huge issue in 2022 and 2024.

    448. jason says:

      The reality is the election was stolen, anyone who thinks Trump really lost GA by 12k votes, AZ by 10k votes, WI by 20k votes, PA by 80k votes and NV by 30k votes is a moron.

      That has nothing to do on whether Trump was “unpopular” or not. Of course, I think the unpopular meme is a crock, if he was so unpopular why did he actually get more votes and win states like FL by wider margins than 2016.

      He could have been the most unpopular President in History and still lost by fraud.

    449. jason says:

      the type of President who never wins election)”

      LOL

      So “never” almost happened by 42k (stolen) votes?

      Okayy…

    450. jason says:

      If wes was smart, which he isn’t, he would say Trump’s unpopularity was what caused the election to be close enough that it could be stolen by fraud.

      I could buy that argument.

      But to say there was no fraud in places like GA is ridiculous.

    451. Phil says:

      If audits show that, Republicans will have a huge issue? You are kidding me, right?

      Won’t matter a bit because the media will absolutely ignore it. Wouldn’t report it in a million years. Just like they completely blacked out the Hunter Biden laptop story when it broke ten days before the election. Same deal. The issues will be the issues the media decides to make issues…and you can be assured none of those issues will be ones helping Republicans.

      The crime increase in the cities? Crickets.

      Massive illegal immigration across the border due to Biden’s open borders policies? Crickets

      Tax hikes and unprecedented government spending? Naw. More crickets

      Biden’s mental gaffs? Yeah, sure. More crickets

      I could go on and on all day, but you get the picture.

      Nope, the issues trumpeted by the media will be:

      Republican obstructionism

      Republican attempts to “restrict voting and prevent minorities from casting votes”.

      White supremacy and white racism.

      Plus whatever the latest police shooting of an “Innocent” black man by “racist” white cops.

      Of course, conservatives could try to get around the MSM by firing back on social media. Oh wait, Facebook and Twitter will take care of that avenue as well with their continued censorship due to “Misinformation”

    452. Phil says:

      ‘’Trump’s unpopularity was what caused the election to be close enough to be stolen”

      Yeah, I could buy that one as well.

      …but that fraud didn’t occur in states like Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, Pa, Wisconsin to tip the election. Paleeeez

    453. Tgca says:

      Wes keeps saying I was wrong.

      Wrong on what?

      He just keeps repeating words with no details or facts. It’s like what the Libs and MSM do hoping if they repeat something enough folks will believe it.

      Wes argues like a millennial. He argues from his heart and not his brain.

      Some of us say let’s see what the forensic audits conclude because it looks very suspicious.

      Wes says “nope” and takes the Dem and MSM position that Trump single-handedly brain-washed 70% of GOP to think there was fraud so we’re all idiots and can’t reason for ourselves.

      Wes argues the MSM position. We don’t need to see no data. Trump was awful and not liked. That’s it!

      Wes keeps insisting because Trump had net negative popularity then that proves he was unpopular and why he lost election but doesn’t explain why Trump was in a worse position in popularity 2016 and won EC victory.

      Oh but that was different Wes says without any supporting analysis other than ”that’s how I feel.”

      Wes takes a national approach to the election instead of the more accurate local approach because Wes thinks voting is the same everywhere and follows North Carolina, which I guess is now the “Gold Standard” in voting.

      As Jadon noted, if Trump was so unpopular, why did he do significantly better in FL in 2020 than 2016 when FL and GA are very similar?

      Wes will say it does not matter. There was no fraud in North Carolina so there was no fraud anywhere in the US.

      Case closed!

    454. Tgca says:

      I’ve said from Day 1 that there was not enough time to gather all the data and do a forensic audit and then go to the courts and prove it with cross-examination before the required constitutional certifying deadlines or before Jan 20th.

      The only remedy if fraud is found is that a MASSIVE DOJ investigation would be required to find and prosecute those involved to restore integrity in elections.

      The Dems would be toast and get nothing passed they wanted as the American people would turn against them and Biden would have to show he wishes to make amends for the fraud.

      There is no remedy to call for another election and doubt SCOTUS would support that.

    455. Gordon Allen says:

      TGCA.Agree with everything you’ve said. The only remedy rested with the State Legislatures and they copped out.The Judiciary is too lengthy a process in the time allotted.
      But if it appears likely fraud won the election, the democrats lose all legitimacy trying to radically change the nation, and there will be a national clamor for more transparent and verifiable elections going forward.
      In which case I like our chances a lot. They are important, one way or another. And if individual states want to pay for them it’s NONE of Washington’s business(the fact some want the DOJ to interfere SCREAMS loudly they should go ahead.”

    456. Tgca says:

      462

      Gordy

      I think the Dems and MSM, and now evidently North Carolinians, or whatever they’re called down there in Opieville, are afraid what will come out of these elections and are pushing DOJ influence as a scare tactic.

      The DOJ should stay out of state issues and the states should go to SCOTUS if necessary to bar the DOJ from interference in states’ rights.

      Lefties are afraid that if fraud is found on any level that could have resulted in any of those states results changing, they know chit will rain down on them in a major way and they will be seen as corrupt and lying so like most criminal activity, it is best for them to lie, misrepresent, change the subject, whatever they need to do to make these audits go away.

    457. Paul says:

      A real forensic audit might be a good thing. But whatever they have done in Arizona is not a non-partisan professionally done audit. They’ve used clearly partisan organizations and volunteers and then they have them looking for crazy things like bamboo fibers or watermarks using special lights.

    458. Tgca says:

      Another unanimous decision by SCOTUS released today smacking down the NCAA.

      This ruling has narrow impact and determines that the NCAA cannot restrict benefits related to education, such as free laptops or paid post-graduate internships.

      It does not address monetary compensation like paying athletes millions of dollars but it is still a big defeat for the NCAA that makes billions of college sports.

      These unanimous decisions should be sending a message to politicians and activists too me thinks that they do not expect to be pushed around and unnecessarily influenced.

      Not that this case is of major consequence to the average American but it still makes a point.

    459. Tgca says:

      464

      The Dems had an opportunity to be part of an audit but they refused. This may force their hand at some point to do a bi-partisan review.

      Expert witnesses in trials are also often partisan so suggesting a partisan expert does not carry any weight is not what we see in practice. It often depends on who the jury believes and the ability of the witness to present a case.

      I prefer a bi-partisan support but in this case, it is legitimate to proceed alone if one side does not agree in something as important as perceived election fraud by a large percentage of the voters in that state.

      This is not like impeachment which is a political process that focuses very little on actual evidence.

    460. Tgca says:

      464

      …and for the record, the firms used in these AZ audits are professional forensic experts that often perform and testify in other forensic cases. They are not newbies or novices.

      I agree bi-partisan review is always best but witnesses are often on one side or the other just like lawyers.

      Many high priced criminal lawyers defend criminals, they don’t advocate the gubbermint’s position, and they often hire expert consultants they routinely work with so it’s no different in this case that the GOP chose auditors of its liking but that does not mean the results will be biased or wrong.

    461. Tgca says:

      This reminds me of the metaphoric beating I laid down on Wes this weekend.

      Dumbass dude gets butt kicked after throwing a punch and then tries to act like nothing happened and claims only one punch got landed but the video shows like 10 punches got landed and the dude is cowering and covering his face most of the fight and has to have others come in and Dave his ass from being whooped badly.

      Look at the 2nd video where TG-like dude beats Wes-like dude ass into submission.

      Not that I would EVAH assault my good friend Wes but every now and then us Northeast people have to put those southerners with the irritating accents in their place.

      https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/nuggets-punkboy-who-threw-failed-suckerpunch-speaks-out/

    462. Paul says:

      Tgca: Why would the democrats join in f&cking charade?

    463. Paul says:

      Tgca: yes the audit is already wrong. And whatever they find, it won’t matter and most people won’t listen to it because they screwed it up.

    464. Tgca says:

      Paul

      Those are Dem and MSM talking points.

      If it doesn’t matter, why are Dems trying to sic the DOJ on these audits? What are they afraid of?

      Is this anymore of a charade then the two partisan impeachment votes that had absolutely no evidence?

    465. NYCmike says:

      “Tgca: Why would the democrats join in f&cking charade?”

      I G N O R E 2017-2020, Paul!

      That was the “f&cking charade”.

      Russia Russia Russia!

    466. NYCmike says:

      That’s how you know there is something there to find – because the DIMocrat voters are scared to find out.

      Through all of the Russia-gate b*llsh*t, NOT ONCE was I worried that anything would be found, as it was all fabricated.

    467. Paul says:

      Tgca: It is more of a charade, and you know it. You are just acting like it isn’t a bunch of nonsense because that makes you feel like a male prostitute.

    468. Tgca says:

      474

      You are truly an idiotic imbecile to take this argument into a realm that has nothing to do with the debate at hand.

      Don’t bring your mother’s profession into this discussion.

      Let’s stick to the facts please.

    469. NYCmike says:

      MedsExpress is behind in their schedule again…….

    470. Bitterlaw says:

      Regardless of any political messages, NBA ratings will probably suck the rest of the way. The final four teams are LA (Clippers and not Lakers), Phoenix, Atlanta, and Milwaukee. Not big fan bases. Ratings nightmare scenario for the Finals- Phoenix v. Milwaukee.

    471. NYCmike says:

      How about the NHL?

      Islanders are really making it hard to ignore that league!

    472. NYCmike says:

      Meanwhile, Philly professional athletes are playing scratch golf by now……..

    473. Bitterlaw says:

      Sixers choked. Need to fire the coach and trade Simmons.

    474. Bitterlaw says:

      NYC – The Islanders have been the better team for years. However, do the Rangers have more fans?

    475. Paul says:

      Tgca: I was high when I wrote that so suit me if I went astray.

    476. Wes says:

      Well, I was just listening to Dick Cheney’s theme song…

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-bzWSJG93P8

      …and decided to check out HHR.

      I haven’t been missing anything today.

      Carry on.

    477. lisab says:

      chelsea wolfe

      who identifies as a transgender woman

      qualified as an alternate in bmx racing for the usa team

      and wants to burn an american flag on the podium

    478. Bitterlaw says:

      There was a time before lisab turned vicious and I came to hate her.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Evnzkez7o&pp=QACIAgE%3D

    479. jason says:

      Maybe the NBA will get great ratings from their fan base in China.

    480. jason says:

      Is Paul a moron in real life or does he just play one here.

      I go for real life too, he is just too good at it to be faking.

    481. Tgca says:

      482. Paul

      Suit you? I think you’re big enough to dress yourself…now if you need someone to undress you…

      …and don’t be getting high on crack either. Crack is whack! Even the great Whitney Houston knew that.

      No illegal recreational substances allowed at HHR.

    482. Tgca says:

      483

      Me thinks the tranny weightlifter will make a good companion for Bitter’s after Mrs. Bitter decides to leave Radnor and move to South Carolina for work and to be around nicer people.

      God’s punishment for Bitter being all mean to TG and LisaB.

    483. Tgca says:

      486

      Bitter sending LisaB Youtube love songs now that he hates her? Hmmm…

      Hell has no fury like a Metrosexual scorned.

    484. Bitterlaw says:

      With the anniversary of the worst time of my life recently passed, I went back to look at HHR from a year ago. Lisab was actually kind to me. That changed in November when she turned vicious.

    485. Tgca says:

      493

      It could be an unknown early variant of the Covid virus.

      I’ve watched lotsa Zombie movies and the sweetest people can turn all nasty evil within hours.

      Check out sweet lil Amber here.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnSlltrZ3oE

    486. jason says:

      Bitter wrote 1000 posts about being called something he was not called.

      Now a 1000 posts about how mean lisab is to him?

      Zzzzz….

    487. jason says:

      Babylon Bee:

      Female Weightlifter Suffers Tragic Testicle Injury Just Weeks Before Tokyo Olympics

    488. Bitterlaw says:

      If English was one of Jason’s top 5 languages, he would know what Tgca said.

      As for lisab, she is not worth any posts. I wish nothing but the worst for her and she wishes nothing good for me.

    489. Bitterlaw says:

      My wife also likes 4 seasons. She has no interest in moving across the country, becoming barred in another state, and finding another job. She doesn’t want to move 3000 miles away from her children.

    490. Bitterlaw says:

      Almost…

    491. Bitterlaw says:

      D

    492. Bitterlaw says:

      That must be an old clip. Lisab’s sisters have nothing to do with her now.

      That movie is very good. Not sure how it ranks on Wes’ list.

    493. Tgca says:

      498

      Bitter’s wife is afraid to move to CA because she’ll have to get barred?

      Barred from what? What did she do?

    494. Wes says:

      It’s actually a rather good movie, Bitter, except for the whole love subplot. The novel has no such subplot and makes the villains completely animalistic and predatory.

      The Brides in that clip are actually the closest cinematic representation of the characters in the book. They’re part of why the movie is memorable along with the production design and that creepy soundtrack.

      Unfortunately the love subplot almost throws the whole damn thing off the rails.

    495. Bitterlaw says:

      Be admitted to the California Bar to practice law. But you knew that.

    496. Bitterlaw says:

      It takes a great actor to play both Count Dracula and Winston Churchill.

    497. Bitterlaw says:

      Of course, Meryl Streep could probably play those roles, too.

    498. lisab says:

      I wish nothing but the worst for her and she wishes nothing good for me.
      —————————————

      you are very mistaken, i do not wish anything bad for you

      i just think you are COMPLETELY unqualified and unfit to be a congressman

      in this case both statements are true

    499. lisab says:

      in fairness, i would not support cg or robbie for office either

      they just are too self-aware to think they should run

    500. Tgca says:

      Well! Well! Well!

      People in North Carolina trashing other states hardest hit!

      So election fraud does happen in North Carolina locally where elections are voided and redone but election fraud impacting the outcome of an election in other states like PA, AZ, WI, or GA isn’t possible evidently.

      North Carolina twice convicted criminal from the 90s for insurance fraud and perjury, Leslie Dowless, working for GOP congressional candidate Mark Harris, committed voter fraud in 2018 by collecting hundreds of absentee ballots that were incomplete and blank and then forged signatures and even completed ballots. Harris appeared to have won the election but the State Election Commission refused to certify the election and ordered a new election, and Harris did not run in the subsequent election due to health claims.

      Dowless was indicted on state election fraud charges and then subsequently indicted by the Feds for disability and social security fraud while working on campaigns.

      He has now pleaded guilty to the fed charges so the state fraud charges can now proceed to court where he is expected to be convicted based on voter fraud evidence and others involved in the fraud turning state evidence against him.

      https://www.newsmax.com/politics/disputed-election-charges/2021/06/21/id/1025904/

    501. Tgca says:

      508. LisaB

      The term “Congressman” is offensive and not inclusive to all the 68+ gender identities that may wish to serve in Congress.

      I think it would be most helpful if you refrain from using that term in the future and think about how you can make the US more inclusive and spare the feelings of people not traditionally represented grammatically appropriately.

      The most acceptable term may be “CongressPerson” or you may use my favorite term of “CongressCritter” or come up with your own term that is not gender identity offensive, perhaps “CongressLowLife,” “CongressCrook,” or some other descriptive term of the person that fills that role.

      Thank you for respecting diversity.

    502. lisab says:

      tgca,

      bitter wants to identify as a man

      and i think we should honor his chosen identity

    503. SoHope says:

      Ive been away awhile and know HHR is now a *hitshow consisting of threads of snarky gladiatorial combat. Somebody fill me in. Who is everyone’s nemesis/archrival?

    504. Bitterlaw says:

      Welcome back. I only hate 2 posters – Bunu and lisab. Tgca and Jason fight with Wes a lot because Wes does not accept the idea that Trump lost due to voter fraud.

    505. Phil says:

      The Democrat’s pet Democrats remain in power forever Act (HB1) will be brought to the Senate floor by Schumer today. Democrats had hoped to squeeze it through on a 50-50 vote with Kamala breaking the tie.

      However, that nasty old filibuster stands in the way and assures that the bill will not see the light of day.

      Schumer is urging the Senate to abolish the filibuster and for Republicans to “man up and vote” on the bill.

    506. jason says:

      “Ive been away awhile and know HHR is now a *hitshow consisting of threads of snarky gladiatorial combat.”

      Sounds more exciting reading it than living it.

    507. Wes says:

      Eva Guzman joins the primary for TXAG. We don’t need any more Bushes to be in power, and Paxton has made a lot of enemies. Currently GPB and Paxton are slugging it out, leaving her as a potentially unsullied fresh face. That means she might have a good shot at getting the nod:

      https://www.texastribune.org/2021/06/09/eva-guzman-texas-supreme-court/

    508. jason says:

      There are many fights here.

      I regret I only have time to be involved in about 80% of them.

    509. jason says:

      bitter wants to identify as a man

      and i think we should honor his chosen identity”

      That is so passé.

      There are good and bad identities now as defined by the MSM.

      Male and white are both bad, so they can’t be “honored”.

      We can honor Bitter if he wants to something else on the approved list.

    510. Phil says:

      Guzman would be a good candidate, Wes. You are right. We don’t need any more Bushes. I don’t trust them.

    511. Tgca says:

      Stop trashing the Bushes!

      They have created a winning agenda going forward for the GOP to expand its base:

      COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM

      I still believe GWB is the 2nd greatest GOP POTUS in the last 20 years.

    512. Tgca says:

      HA!!!

      Lying bastard – Peter Daszak – fired from the UN Commission that is investigating origin of Covid after he was exposed for coordinating an effort among scientists to deny the Wuhan Lab theory as conspiracy without disclosing his close working ties to the lab. That is extremely unethical.

      We’re coming for you next Dr. Fow-chee. You lying corrupt bastard! You hear me! You’re next! Me and Rand Paul will make sure of this. We now know about Facebook trying to coordinate propaganda with you to silence others and let them make some extra money too.

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9710875/Peter-Daszak-removed-COVID-commission-following-bombshell-conflict-report.html#comments

    513. NYCmike says:

      “I regret I only have time to be involved in about 80% of them.”

      -If you weren’t making up so much cr*p, you could probably participate in the other 20%.

    514. Tgca says:

      List of companies encouraging Senate to pass HR1. Hardly the makers and breakers of the market or industry leaders me thinks.

      Acorn Financial Planning

      Adasina Social Capital Company

      Albion Swords Ltd

      Amalgamated Bank

      Ashby & Graff Real Estate

      ATTN

      Avocado Green Brands

      Bad Robot Productions

      Ben & Jerry’s

      Black Economic Alliance

      Blue Ridge Produce

      C. Wolfe Software Engineering

      Capricorn Investment Group

      Centercorp Retail Properties

      Chance Art Company

      Clare V.

      ClassPass

      Climate First Bank

      Climate Positive Consulting

      coasap

      Collaborative Solutions

      Countable

      Eighty2degrees Design Studio

      Evergreen Sustainability, LLC

      Fiveable

      Flixbus

      Florida for Good, LLC

      FundX Investment Group

      Funsize, Corp.

      Gatsby Spirits

      Greater Good Strategy Company

      Gryphon Solutions, LLC

      HigherRing

      ICM Partners

      JLFG Communications

      Justworks

      Kangaroo Coffee

      Legacy Vacation Resorts

      Lime

      LimeRed Company

      Lingraphica

      Manale Realty

      Mediocre Creative

      MeetUp

      Monkeypaw Productions

      Montanya Distillers

      Morris Recruiting and Consulting Company

      MPOWERD

      Namu Baru Inc.

      Narrative Food

      National Council of Negro Women

      National Hockey League

      Natural Investments Company

      New Leaf BioFuel

      NJ Sustainable Business Council

      Northwest Clinical Trials

      Opticom Consulting

      Our Place

      Ovonni Ventures

      Patagonia

      Public Good

      Regenerative Rising

      Richer Poorer

      Ripley Rader

      Rosebud Agency

      Salt Palm Development

      Shockwave Medical Inc.

      Signet Strategic Wealth Management

      Social Goods

      SunnySide Social Media, LLC

      Symphony Advantage Inc.

      The Atlanta Dream (WNBA)

      The Capital Good Fund

      The Skimm

      Tierra Vista

      Tony’s Chocolonely

      Transcend, The Fearless Company

      Transformative Wealth Management, LLC

      Trillium Asset Management

      Tumblr

      Two Dudes Fresh Seafood Restaurants

      Upworthy

      Venner Consulting

      Vulintus, Inc.

      Walk Your Talk Productions

      Workforce & Organizational Research Center

      Youth To The People

    515. Wes says:

      Why the hell are all these companies lobbying for passage of a bill having nothing to do with any of their industries?

    516. Tgca says:

      Something about this announcement makes me go:

      Hmmm…

      Vegas Raiders defensive end Carl Nassib on Monday became the first active NFL player to come out as gay, and pledged $100K to the Trevor Project dedicated to providing crisis intervention and suicide prevention services to the LGBTQ+ youth.

      Good for him! It’s always commendable to support at risk yoots.

      Now give him a Coke and lock him in for the season’s NFL’s MVP award. He deserves it dammit!

    517. Tgca says:

      525

      Because they are WOKE!!!

    518. jan says:

      The names of most of those companies supporting the passage of HR 1 sound very progressive. Patagonia & the NHL are the only surprises for me.

    519. Bitterlaw says:

      A gay NFL player? If only this had happened years ago so Tgca could have lived his NFL dream and played for the Giants.

    520. Wes says:

      Hm, Bitter.

      A dwarf playing for the Giants would be the ultimate irony.

    521. Tgca says:

      530

      I woulda made a great football player, as I was a very fast runner and folks used to always challenge me to races…and lose. The benefits of growing up in Newark and learning to run from gangs or the police.

      I could run after and tackle me some tight ends if I were in the NFL.

    522. Bitterlaw says:

      We really need Tgca to be eligible for gayest post of the day.

    523. Wes says:

      You and your buddies Frodo and Sam should have had a second breakfast and gone to a tryout then.

    524. jason says:

      At 115lbs Tgca might be confused with one of the yardage marking poles.

    525. Wes says:

      That, or Gandalf would have had an Eagle pick him off the field and carry him to the Lonely Mountain.

    526. Bitterlaw says:

      Too short for the line markers. Maybe the pylons in the end zone.

    527. Tgca says:

      What a penis this Mayor is abandoning pledge of allegiance in a unilateral decision he made even though the city council previously voted to continue saying the pledge.

      Listen to his arrogance telling the city council it’s not up for discussion.

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/colorado-mayor-bans-pledge-allegiance-board-meetings-gets-triggered-members-recite-anyway-threatens-remove-video/

    528. Wes says:

      We have leftists who want to ban the Pledge of Allegiance and conservatives who want to make it compulsory.

      I take a middle ground and say recitation should be voluntary.

      I do like the fact that the Mayor was trolled for his stance though.

    529. NYCmike says:

      “We have leftists who want to ban the Pledge of Allegiance and conservatives who want to make it compulsory.”

      -Wes,

      “conservatives” want to make it compulsory for individuals to recite the Pledge of Allegiance?

      Interested to see which locales instituted such a requirement.

      I have seen locales which have VOTED to recite the pledge at official meetings and similar events. That is quite different from that individual making this unilateral decision.

    530. lisab says:

      it is actually not out of line for the pledge to be required for people who work for the government

    531. jason says:

      Normal.

      “In case you missed it, on Saturday there was a terrible act of anti-gay terrorism, when a toothless gay-hating redneck — who had been personally encouraged by Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis — drove his American-flag-festooned truck into a Gay Pride parade, killing one and injuring two others.

      Just kidding.

      While the death and injuries were, sadly, both quite real, they were not the result of the kind of hate-fueled “domestic terrorism” that Presidentish Joe Biden is always blathering on about.

      Rather, a 77-year-old member of the Fort Lauderdale Gay Men’s Chorus lost control of his truck in a horrible accident.

      Before these FACTS could be revealed, Fort Lauderdale Mayor Dean Trantalis said to reporters, “This is a terrorist attack against the LGBT community. This is exactly what it is. Hardly an accident.”

      Reporters took to Twitter to repeat the mayor’s lie without doing any reporting, as PJ’s own Bryan Preston reported on Sunday.

      Trantalis has since apologized, and the “reporters” deleted their tweets, but not before the damage was done.

      Nevertheless, the Sun-Sentinel’s Anthony Man has the gall to insist that the real story here is that “social media, where there is never nuance, was filled with condemnation of Trantalis.”

    532. jason says:

      No wonder Bitter is not moving to Ft. Lauderdale.

    533. NYCmike says:

      “Normal.”

      -At this point, we have one way to fight these actions……V O T E .

      jason has vowed to NOT vote.

      Free mugs all around!

    534. lisab says:

      i was watching sanford and son, first season, yesterday

      on episode two, red foxx blatently insults jewish people, chinese people, white people and in episode three uses the n-word to insult another black family

      today’s millennials would die

    535. NYCmike says:

      “No wonder Bitter is not moving to Ft. Lauderdale.

      -I thought Bitterlaw wrote that he liked his town, along with the 4 seasons……..but then again, I like to deal in reality, as opposed to the made-up cr*p the A-Hole dishes.

    536. lisab says:

      manchin agrees to vote for voting bill now that id will be required

      all voters will be required to show an id to get a ballot … blockbuster video club membership cards will count as id

    537. lisab says:

      california to pay off overdue rent for those behind, using federal tax money

    538. lisab says:

      soooooooooooo … if you paid your rent during the pandemic …

      you now will be paying the rent for people who did not

    539. Wes says:

      You must have missed all the court cases dealing with the Pledge, Mikey:

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/constitutioncenter.org/amp/blog/the-latest-controversy-about-under-god-in-the-pledge-of-allegiance

      I’m honestly not surprised.

    540. NYCmike says:

      Wes,

      Obviously, since I stated I would be “Interested to see which locales instituted such a requirement.”……that means I haven’t seen any court cases about it, or read any news accounts about it…….of course, that link you included doesn’t work, so I am still waiting to educate myself on the matter.

      Thanks in advance.

      Also, to make sure you understand what my question was for you (““conservatives” want to make it compulsory for individuals to recite the Pledge of Allegiance?”) – there are locales which made it compulsory for each person to recite the Pledge, at risk of being charged with some sore of crime/legal infraction?

    541. NYCmike says:

      “sore” should be sort

    542. NYCmike says:

      Still waiting on the correct link from Wes………”I’m honestly not surprised.” ………

    543. Tgca says:

      541

      Jadon

      This attack happened just blocks from my home.

      I actually know Mayor Trantalis, as he his a well-established Fort Lauderdale lawyer I’ve used in the past on some business transactions.

      Though Dean is liberal Dem, he is much more reasonable than most radicals I know, probably because his business dealings in south Florida require moderating his positions, at least publicly…and my experience with him is that he looks for opportunities to work through and resolve issues with others rather than be combative and overly judgmental.

      I guess you could say he’s a lot like Bitter, the lawyer everyone loves…and I’m sure he is rather metrosexual too..in a gay way, of course since Trantalis is openly gay.

      I did not see where he apologized but I did see his office released a subsequent statement afterwards where he kind of twisted himself into a pretzel discussing the incident without directly acknowledging his error. I just discussed this with a friend the other day after I saw the statement since we both know Trantalis, and I thought he should have just said “…given the concern and the way it happened, that was my 1st thought and I’m glad it was not a targeted attack.” …but not everyone takes my EXPERT advice…think Wes on election fraud for example.

      I think Trantalis overreacted but to be fair to the local press, it was known within a very short timeframe, perhaps within an hour, that this appeared to be an accident because the arrest took place at the parade and the guy was identified immediately as an elderly gay man that was part of the parade, and that’s how it was being reported locally.

      Trantalis and others assumed it was an attack because they witnessed the attack and saw a truck speed up and come directly at the crowd.

      If I were standing in a crowd and saw a truck speed up and come at me, I would probably also think it was deliberate at that moment as well, as most people do not associate vehicles speeding up into a crowd as an accident.

      Trantalis was interviewed on the spot minutes after the event and before the ambulance even took away the victims to the hospital and you could see he was visibly upset, and evidently he was unaware of the facts.

      Lastly, given the concern over gay events being targets for certain crazies out there, as that is legitimate, especially in light of the Pulse Night Club attack where 50 gays were gunned to death during Pride month just 5 years ago, it is not unreasonable for such concern or thoughts, as security at these events have heightened greatly since then.

      In the end, Trantalis overreacted as a witness to the horrific event so that is understandable but I’m not sure what the national outlets knew and when they knew it so if they purposely capitalized off this knowingly, then that is repulsive.

    544. NYCmike says:

      “Lastly, given the concern over gay events being targets for certain crazies out there, as that is legitimate, especially in light of the Pulse Night Club attack where 50 gays were gunned to death during Pride month just 5 years ago, it is not unreasonable for such concern or thoughts, as security at these events have heightened greatly since then.”

      -Please correct me if I am wrong…….was that attack on homosexuals in particular, or just a regular old terror attack?

    545. jason says:

      Pulse was not a “gay attack”. The perp actually went there by chance because it didn’t work out at the site he wanted.

    546. Tgca says:

      554. NYC

      Yes. Subsequent FBI investigation determined it appeared to be a terrorist target and not specifically a planned terrorist attack on gays.

      But that message has not gotten across in the MSM or by politicians looking to exploit this horrific tragedy. To this day, it is acknowledge as the deadliest attack on gays in US history.

      Most in the gay community still see this as having a relation to being a gay event so it is understandable why people feel that way.

      If it had been an attack on an AA, Asian, Christian, or Jewish event, it would be treated the same and the concern would be considered legitimate so folks should not discount the fear that gays have knowing they could be a target in these events.

      In fact, Biden just legitimized that view even further, as the deadliest terrorist attack in US history, as he has just promised to sign a bill to make it hallowed grounds and a national memorial.

      Why would he do that when a number of other terror events have not resulted in similar treatment? He is sending the message it was a gay terrorist attack instead of a terrorist attack so folks will continue to have legitimate fears and believe that.

      President Joe Biden said on the fifth anniversary of a mass shooting at the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, Florida, that he will sign a bill naming the site as a national memorial.

      The deadliest attack on the LGBTQ community in U.S. history left 49 people dead and 53 people wounded as “Latin Night” was being celebrated at the club. Biden said in a statement Saturday that he has “stayed in touch with families of the victims and with the survivors who have turned their pain into purpose” and described the club as “hallowed ground.”

      https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-joe-biden-shootings-746d08329d734e9e74a373b21a1ac062

    547. Tgca says:

      555

      I did not say Pulse was a planned terrorist attacking on gays, as it was the 2nd choice, of the attacker per the FBI. But the MSM and politicians have represented it that way for 5 years and that’s what most now believe.

      It’s not fair but it is what people think…and now Biden is cementing that further by promising to sign a bill to make it a national memorial with the back story it was the worst gay terrorist attack in US history.

    548. Bitterlaw says:

      I went outside and found a dying chipmunk by my back door. My cat looked suspicious. However, there were no obvious wounds. My cat is also 16 years old so I don’t think he could chase down a chipmunk. I am sorry to say that chest compressions on the still twitching chipmunk were not successful.

    549. Tgca says:

      557

      Typical Radnor, PA racist view of the world.

      It is not lost on me that the two guys in the picture are people of color, either AA or Latin. All us minorities must look the same to people in Radnor, PA I guess.

      You would think these woke wanna-be pleasers from Radnor, PA who drink Coke all day and watch some sports full if minorities would see the systemic racism and white privilege oozing from their very existence but they are blinded by their color-sensitive eyes so I guess not.

    550. Tgca says:

      561

      How racist!

      Bitter assumes all hot Latinos with flawless skin must be white.

      He’s looking through his eyes and sees what he wants to see. I get it, beauty is in the eye of the beholder but “come on man,” REALLY?

      I don’t understand how someone so metrosexual and woke can also be so systemically indoctrinated to seeing all things beautiful as only white.

    551. lisab says:

      #556 is that really orange?

    552. jason says:

      Sorry to see Tgca give the woke mayor a pass and make a bunch of weak excuses for him.

      I think what he said was horrendously stupid and typical of the radical left.

      “Upset’ my ass, what he tried to do was politicize the tragedy for political benefit. He knew exactly what he was saying and his “apology” is not even an apology.

      A real scumbag.

    553. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca is not orange. He would have to be painted orange and have great posture to be a pylon. I don’t think a pylon can have a cane.

    554. jason says:

      Most in the gay community still see this as having a relation to being a gay event so it is understandable why people feel that way. ”

      I guess they are seeing it wrongly then.

      It wasn’t an attack on gays so it is not understandable.

    555. Bitterlaw says:

      I am glad she said it.

      Jason hardest hit.

    556. jason says:

      Not every tragedy has to be defined as racist or misogynistic or homophobic.

      I see that as part of the woke culture.

    557. jason says:

      Glad who said what that made me hardest hit?

    558. jason says:

      Chipmunks are edible.

      But you really need more than one to make a meal.

    559. Bitterlaw says:

      I agreed with the contestant who condemned censorship on campus. That must hurt your narrative about me. GFY

    560. Bitterlaw says:

      If Tgca’s does not work out as an NFL pylon, maybe we can use him as a cone in the A-hole parking lot.

    561. jason says:

      Bitter now wants a medal for condemning censorship on campus?

      Geezus.

    562. NYCmike says:

      Bitterlaw,

      You really have gotten quite sensitive over the past year.

      Come on, man!

    563. Bitterlaw says:

      Bitter now wants a medal for condemning censorship on campus?

      No. I want to be given credit for 17 years of posts condemning the attacks on conservatives. GFY again.

    564. Tgca says:

      565

      I am not excusing the mayor’s comments, and I thought he should have just apologized that he got the facts wrong but that’s what politicians do including conservative politicians, and you know it. They always spin.

      What I said is he was a witness to the event and saw it happen and he WRONGLY assumed it was terrorist related because his interview was within minutes of the event. I saw the video of his interview. It was not hours later. He had not even spoken to the police yet as they were locking down the site still and the ambulance had not yet arrived when he was being asked on film because he was probably the most publicly notable person at the scene besides Debbie Wasserman who also witnessed the event as it happened within feet of both of them, and that’s probably why he was chosen to provide input over a normal Joe citizen.

      If I were there I would have probably thought the same thing at the moment. If a truck comes barreling at a group of people, most would not assume it is someone with their foot stuck on the gas because there have been numerous events around the world where vehicles have been used as weapons to kill people in these large gatherings recently.

      Finally, knowing the mayor personally, I have never experienced him to be some radical loon going off strictly for politics. In fact, he is a pretty mellow fellow in dealing with situations from what I’ve seen. We are not friends and I don’t visit or hang with him so I have no reason to stand up for him personally. I’ve only spoken to him once in the last year on a business issue.

      That does not mean I agree with his politics but it was a rational reaction from a witness to such an event.

      If you can’t see why gays are afraid in such events after Pulse, or AA or Jews having been also targets in similar mass gathering venues, then maybe you need to consider taking a diversity inclusion class to get a taste of reality.

      You’d be freaking out if you were at a Trump event in Philly if something similar happened because of the threat and risk involved there for Trump supporters.

    565. Wes says:

      Bitterlaw says:
      June 22, 2021 at 5:40 pm
      Bitter now wants a medal for condemning censorship on campus?

      No. I want to be given credit for 17 years of posts condemning the attacks on conservatives. GFY again.

      You largely negated that, Bitter, by adopting left-wing talking points and accusing anyone who refuses to patronize the wokeism prevalent in sports of “virtue signaling.”

    566. Tgca says:

      567

      It’s all relative Jadon.

      I agree Pulse was not a targeted gay attack per the FBI investigation.

      I also agree that police don’t purposely target and try to kill AA.

      …and there are people who don’t think the election was stolen, like the FBI, though I do.

      You just can’t discount the way people feel and rationalize and dismiss them because then you’re doing the same thing.

      I would bet if you took a poll, most people would think Pulse was a gay terrorist attack because of the MSM and politicians, and regardless of their ignorance on it, you can’t dismiss their fears and concerns any more than you can dismiss the fear that a white woman walking alone around the Capitol building at night would think she is at risk of rape or mugging though statistically it is not high.

    567. Phil says:

      HB1 vote to begin debate ends in 50-50 deadlock. The filibuster is sustained and the bill dies ten votes short of breaking the filibuster.

    568. lisab says:

      ** i am in favour of the filibuster **

      (i want a medal)

    569. Tgca says:

      569

      Agree totally!

      But I see the problem with the MSM, politicians, and Big Tech controlling what people see and hear to purposely influence them for their own agenda.

      …and though everyone has a responsibility to EDUMACATE themselves, let’s face it, most don’t or don’t have resources to do it so they become herded sheep.

      That is how 3rd world dictators keep control of the masses by controlling the information flow, and we are now seeing that in the US, especially the last few years.

      Now we have a president who is going to memorialize the Pulse site as a national memorial under the premise it was the largest terrorist attack on gays ever in the US.

      That is sad misinterpretation but it’s how it will be remembered and written about for generations to come now.

      But at the same time, I can’t turn away from having compassion for those that honestly, even if wrongly, fear something whether it be an AA male afraid of police, a gay person afraid of gay bashing or attacks, a homeless person of being victimized on the streets, or a white woman fearing being raped in certain neighborhoods.

      Fear is real whether legitimate or not.

    570. lisab says:

      ** i am also against murder hornets and season 8 of game of thrones

    571. Tgca says:

      581

      I just realized LisaB is a plant. A spy to fit in and infiltrate us and sabotage us from within.

      No respectable red-blooded American would incorrectly spell “favor” with a “U” in it.

      I just might have discovered a new plot background for my spy thriller I’m writing on a foreign metrosexual spy in small town in PA.

    572. Wes says:

      Manchin did ultimately vote for HB-1. That’s probably good for another 10 points added to his vote total among West Virginians.

    573. Tgca says:

      SURPRISE!!!

      Machin cuts deal to allow SR1 to advance if he is 50th DemonCrat vote and claims he’s only doing it because it was scaled back with his requested changes which I assume must make it totally a bi-partisan dream law.

      SR1, a.k.a. FTPA or F*ck The People Act, would overall voting in the US to ensure Dems have one-party control.

      I’ll await for Wes’ calm and thoughtful reserved commentary on this matter before posting further on this issue.

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/22/joe-manchin-caves-to-chuck-schumer-will-vote-to-advance-federal-takeover-of-elections/

    574. lisab says:

      breaking: voting act to be pushed through using reconciliation

    575. lisab says:

      tgca,

      do you count

      one, two three, for, five six …

      or

      one, two, three, four, five, six?

    576. Tgca says:

      588

      LisaB

      I’m surprised at your White privilege assuming I count like you. I think you and Bitter may have been hanging out too much.

      As many of my posts prove, especially in new threads, I count:

      Uno, dos, tres, cuatro, cinco…

    577. Tgca says:

      588

      …and if I’m forced to count like you privileged white folks …

      …then I thay

      one
      two
      thwee
      faww
      foive

      …as also evidenced in many past posts.

    578. lisab says:

      bitter is a bad influence

      all that virtue signaling

    579. Bitterlaw says:

      I just realized LisaB is a plant. A spy to fit in and infiltrate us and sabotage us from within.

      You didn’t figure it out from somebody who claimed to be fan of John Locke but also admitted to being a socialist and union rep for a far left teachers’ union that pushes critical race theory?

    580. lisab says:

      i guess bitter is against john locke

      of course he did not virtue signal

    581. jason says:

      I would bet if you took a poll, most people would think Pulse was a gay terrorist attack”

      So what?

      It wasn’t.

      Giving it credence is playing the left’s game.

    582. Bitterlaw says:

      No. I am against socialists union reps pretending to be supporters of John Locke. Your Union is pushing critical race theory. Did you resign from it? No. You are part of its leadership. You claim you only share your real beliefs here. I am sure you say the same at AFT meetings. Which raises the classic question”When were you lying? Then or now?”

    583. jason says:

      You largely negated that, Bitter, by adopting left-wing talking points and accusing anyone who refuses to patronize the wokeism prevalent in sports of “virtue signaling.”

      I would have said the same but for the truce.

      So I will just say you can’t rest on your laurels at HHR.

      For example, NYC has been helping liberal Democrats win senate races for 15 years, but he doesn’t lay back and take credit for Chuck Schumer as majority leader and call a day. Nah nah, he will be here fighting tooth and nail for the next deadender.

      You want credit at HHR you have to earn it.

    584. jason says:

      Andrew Yang getting killed in the NYC mayoral race.

      He was once an 80% favorite on Predictit.

    585. Tgca says:

      Jadon is f*cked!!!

      A bioethicist linked to the World Economic Forum’s Great Reset called for human beings to be genetically engineered to become smaller in size and meat-intolerant in the name of fighting “climate change”.

      The thought process is less animal farming and smaller people who consume less energy means global warming reduced.

      Interesting.

      https://www.infowars.com/posts/wef-linked-bioethicist-called-for-genetically-modifying-humans-to-induce-meat-intolerance/

    586. Tgca says:

      597

      Let’s be honest here. If he does not win, it’s clearly because of racism.

      Same with the AA dude and chick.

      Same with the Latina chick.

    587. Tgca says:

      Thix Hundwid bishes!

      Thix Hundwid I thay!

    588. jason says:

      genetically engineered to become smaller in size”

      Damm, Tgca is genetically engineered?

      He might be featured on “Greatest Engineering Disasters” show, I think it is on Discovery.

    589. Bitterlaw says:

      https://nypost.com/2021/06/22/curtis-sliwa-cruises-to-easy-win-over-mateo-in-republican-primary-for-nyc-mayor/

      And the battle for the right to lose the Mayor’s race goes to Curtis Sliwa. He is most famous for founding the Guardian Angels in the 1980s. This was a private group that tried to patrol subways and bad neighborhoods. He was also a former talk show host. He won’t hesitate to tell the Dem candidate to F off. Probably in those words.

    590. lisab says:

      No. I am against socialists union reps pretending to be supporters of John Locke.
      ————————————

      no pretense necessary … our union members vote

    591. lisab says:

      Your Union is pushing critical race theory. Did you resign from it? No.
      ————————————

      why would i resign? will you resign as congressman if the house passes a bill you don’t agree with?

      nor do schools teach crt in my school district

    592. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      From a New Mexico news article. Fracking is evil because it makes people self-reliant.

      “Carlsbad had always been a fairly poor area, with most jobs in mining or agriculture. So community institutions stepped up and people relied on one another, he said. And while he can’t totally blame the oil boom for the dwindling of his former congregation, Harbaugh said the industry, by nature, breeds a mentality of total self-reliance. Success is what can be pulled from the ground by one man or one company. “Individual freedoms are what now seem to be paramount,” Harbaugh lamented.”

    593. Bitterlaw says:

      Unlike our socialist union rep, I refuse to be part of a liberal organization. I never joined the New Jersey, Pennsylvania, or American Bar Associations because they advocate for liberal causes and endorse liberal judges. It has cost me thousands of dollars over 28 years to NOT be a member because I lose out on discounts on continuing legal education courses. Employers have encouraged me to become a member and offered to pay the dues. I always decline the offer.

    594. Tgca says:

      606

      Good for you! March to the beat of your own drum. No need to school with the other fish if you don’t agree with their agenda.

      There are plenty of other organizations to affiliate with if so desired like the Radnor Botany Club or Radnor Gay Men’s Chorus.

    595. Tgca says:

      Stoopid wokeness backfires.

      Atlanta IKEA store offers special menu for Juneteenth employees that includes fried chicken, watermelon, and collard greens.

      It is reported many workers were upset and called out that day.

      This is what wokeness brings. Evidently these woke leaders must be watching Gone With the Wind to determine what they think AA culture is like today.

      “Ooowee massa, can’t wait to git me sum’ lunch today.”

      I can’t begin to explain how offensive and insulting this is and why Corporate America should stay out of the woke business to avoid making fools of themselves.

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9713925/IKEA-Atlanta-slammed-offering-racially-insensitive-Juneteenth-menu-featuring-fried-chicken.html

    596. Tgca says:

      608

      For the record, that’s how I would mock a leader if I were AA and they offered me that menu for lunch.

      I am in no way saying Gone With the Wind is a bad movie or should be banned, as I think it is a great movie telling a complex relationship of its times no matter how repugnant we find those actions today.

    597. jason says:

      No ribs?

    598. jason says:

      Biden suffer “rare” setback.

      “The White House on Tuesday acknowledged it will not meet its goal of having 70 percent of all American adults receive at least one dose of a coronavirus vaccine by July 4, a rare setback for a president…

    599. Tgca says:

      612

      So why is the death of young men the best scene?

    600. Bitterlaw says:

      Supreme Court upholds First Amendment rights of vulgar cheerleader.

      https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-cursing-cheerleader-first-amendment-981374cd3adc0e73274d7d33c29a9e0e

      I agree that the fact she was off-campus is significant. However, I take exception to part of hat she said-

      The case arose from Levy’s posts, one of which pictured her and a friend with raised middle fingers and included repeated use of a vulgarity to complain that she had been left off the varsity cheerleading squad.

      “F——— school f——— softball f——— cheer f——— everything,” she wrote near the end of her freshman year, from a local convenience store and on a Saturday.”

      Why go after softball because she sucked as a cheerleader?

    601. Bitterlaw says:

      So why is the death of young men the best scene?

      The suffering and death of traitors is beautiful to behold.

    602. Bitterlaw says:

      Let me amend that to the suffering and death of traitors to America is beautiful to behold.

    603. Tgca says:

      615

      Wow!

      What a hateful loser you are to take glory in suffering, mostly young idealistically misguided men.

      The Civil War was probably the saddest moment in our US history where brothers fought brothers and you relish in the casualties.

      Some might think that if that happened to your kids then that would be best too so your stoopid hateful genes could not proliferate further into society and poison the world with so much hate.

    604. Tgca says:

      So I guess if Americans fed up with the wokeness of people like Bitter in Radnor decided to secede from the country, Bitter would be hopeful that they suffered and died.

      What a loser.

    605. Bitterlaw says:

      GFY. I only relish the Confederate casualties. The Union casualties were tragic.

    606. Bitterlaw says:

      Well, the world has no need to worry that your treason-loving genes will pass along. If you want to weep for traitors who suffered and died to protect slavery, have fun.

      Revisionist BS that ignores all of the seceding states declarations about protecting slavery in 3…2…1…

      And Senator Menendez is an evil child rapist.

    607. Bitterlaw says:

      For all the non-lawyer constitutional experts, here is your chance to get paid for your analysis:

      https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/06/scotusblog-is-hiring-a-new-blog-manager/

    608. Tgca says:

      620

      It’s not traitorous to acknowledge the sadness in history that brought us to that moment.

      You’re just a hateful person. I don’t see you crying over the Indians that were slaughtered and enslaved into submission by those in the North or how the Founding Fathers enshrined slavery in the Constitution less than a 100 years before.

      Your contempt for southerners shows no bounds and it shows.

      As with every thing about you, it’s small-minded selective thinking to justify your miserable existence.

      Yeah! Yeah! We know. Decades of rage inside you so you focus your hate towards others different than you.

      …and with regard to your homophobic remark, I’m not the only one that won’t be passing on bad genes any more. Hopefully, your kids are nothing like you, but if they are, let’s hope God intervenes and ensures they don’t procreate either…let them adopt cats instead.

    609. Tgca says:

      I guess if the US does end up tearing itself apart at some point due to regional differences, Bitter will look forward to the death and suffering of all that turn away from the woke part of the nation he will support to his dying breath.

    610. jason says:

      hey Ma, we should get some of that Bitter bait, although so far it’s not reeling in the nice fats ones.

    611. Bitterlaw says:

      …and with regard to your homophobic remark

      Zzzzzzzzz. You have never expressed any interest in having children.

      What is more hateful – me feeling no sympathy for dead Confederates who died to protect slavery or you for hoping my children are barren?

    612. Tgca says:

      Clinton pervert gets busted! Always be skeptical of those that protest vigorously and way too much more than normally expected I thay. Something may be lurking underneath.

      Hillary Clinton Campaign Official and Founder of Org to End Sexual Violence Against Children Is Arrested on Child Rape Charges – Sentenced to 13 Yrs in Prison

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/hillary-clinton-campaign-official-founder-org-end-sexual-violence-children-arrested-child-rape-charges-sentenced-13-yrs-prison/

    613. jason says:

      because she sucked as a cheerleader?”

      How did you find that out?

    614. Tgca says:

      625

      As I specifically stated, I only hope for your children to be barren if they’re like you. Otherwise, perhaps they can start a new chapter in the Bitter clan that is not so hateful towards others.

      …and you have no idea on my thoughts of children, as I never recalled discussing them here so don’t try to get around your homophobic slur.

    615. Bitterlaw says:

      Yeah! Yeah! We know. Decades of rage inside you so you focus your hate towards others different than you.

      Irony meter explodes as Tgca, who never misses an opportunity to remind us of his ethnicity, difficult youth and orientation to let us know that he has struggled throughout his life, takes about decades of rage inside me. Tgca focuses his hate on people he does not know and has contempt for people who work hard and students who work hard.

    616. jason says:

      I don’t see you crying over the Indians that were slaughtered and enslaved into submission by those in the North’

      Damm, and I thought Bitter was the king of false equivalencies.

    617. Bitterlaw says:

      As I specifically stated, I only hope for your children to be barren if they’re like you.

      That’s better? So gracious of you.

    618. lisab says:

      Unlike our socialist union rep, I refuse to be part of a liberal organization.
      ——————————————

      well … that would be because i am a liberal …

    619. lisab says:

      gay people cannot have children?

      who knew?

    620. lisab says:

      yeah … you would be a great congressman /s

    621. jason says:

      The South started a Civil War to break up the Union for the express purpose of protecting slavery causing 620,000 military deaths and 50,000 civilian deaths.

      I like making it simple for Tgca to understand.

    622. NYCmike says:

      In regards to that IKEA menu, I wish the location near me would serve that. I would go. Love collared greens…….they look good with jeans or slacks, and I need some new shirts…….oh, collard greens……..love them as well!

    623. NYCmike says:

      Total disclosure – whenever I have a party, I make foods which the guests normally don’t like, so that I have meals for the rest of the week. That way, my party budget ends up helping me save $$ on my regular food budget!

    624. NYCmike says:

      As a result of that brilliant reasoning, my party food budget goes even further than originally planned, as many guests don’t come anymore…..so now I am really saving a lot of money!

    625. Bitterlaw says:

      Gay people can adopt children. Gay people can use a surrogate to have children. Gay people can be great parents. Two eggs cannot combine to create a child. 2 sperm cannot combine to make child. I’m sure somebody is working to change that.

    626. Tgca says:

      Actually, I think the SCOTUS cheerleader decision is a mixed bag because it clearly did define off-school activities, and no matter how repulsive her language was, a narrow opinion here was correct in my opinion or else you would see woke schools like in Radnor trying to indoctrinate children further with wokeness through their control of all speech whether on or off campus.

      I think Justice Clarence had a point though, in that in this day and age of technology, is there really a separate line between communications on and off school when dealing specifically with a school event?

      He gives example of flyers printed off campus with a message that makes it way to the school.

      I go further and say what if communications are directed just to school folks via personal social media instead of through school media. Can one argue if the audience was only her fellow students then that is no different then if she said the words at school itself? Can one argue the school audience link?

      What about if a student is remote learning and folks are connecting via web access on their personal devices?

      What if she is remote learning and has a poster behind her in her home defaming the school and team programs in a derogatory manner? Does that make a difference?

      I’m not saying I agree or disagree because I think the facts and circumstances must be considered but I can see in this day and age where technology plays an enormous part of how people communicate so there could be some leeway here for going either way.

      Finally, I’ll note that in the work environment this is not allowed. Most companies take the position they can terminate you if they don’t like your personal social media posts whether related to work or not or even if you identify your work or not.

      We covered this on our HR training last year where their position was wearing an offensive t-shirt on your personal time in public or attending a certain event could subject you to dismissal. So much fir free speech.

    627. Bitterlaw says:

      NYC – If you invite Tgca to a party, he will not eat any of your food. However, he will consume paper plates and napkins.

    628. Tgca says:

      Clueless Bitter does not realize many gay people have reached out to other gays to procreate.

    629. Bitterlaw says:

      My children each completed K-12 in Radnor public schools. That is a combined 26 years of instruction in the number 1 school district in PA. Yet, Tgca somehow knows more than I do about what is taught here.

      I love this place.

    630. Tgca says:

      NYC

      If you invite Bitter to your party make sure you have other drinks besides Coke because we know he’ll drink it all

      …and for Christ’s sake, hide the TV remote or he’ll plop himself in front of your TV watching woke sports for hours since he doesn’t socialize with anyone over 15 years old.

    631. Bitterlaw says:

      Clueless Bitter does not realize many gay people have reached out to other gays to procreate.

      lueless Tgca thinks that a gay man and a lesbian having sex with each other to create a child will produce the same result as 2 gay men or 2lesbians having sex with each other.

    632. Bitterlaw says:

      since he doesn’t socialize with anyone over 15 years old.

      Jason will ignore this post like all the others.

    633. NYCmike says:

      If you 2 keep telling me what to serve neither one of you will be invited!

    634. Bitterlaw says:

      Just invite lisab and I will never attend.

    635. Tgca says:

      643

      Correction

      “…combined 26 years of WOKE instruction…”

    636. Tgca says:

      647

      I expect grilled tofu, coconut water, and green tea or I ain’t attending.

      Bitter expects Coke and woke sports since he doesn’t like to socialize with adults in real life.

    637. Tgca says:

      647

      Watermelon and collard greens are fine too but definitely no fried chicken or fried anything actually.

    638. Bitterlaw says:

      I coach children. I socialize with adults.

      So, EXPERT, how do you know what is taught in the Number 1 School District in PA? Do you sneak into the classes since you are kindergarten-sized?

    639. jason says:

      We covered this on our HR training last year”

      We had training at HHR last year?

      Sorry I missed it.

    640. Tgca says:

      Jadon

      I have always had a problem with slavery whether it was 160 years ago or 300 years ago. I think most would in this day and age.

      But I don’t see how one can excuse the Founding Fathers who prescribed slavery in the US Constitution in 1787 but blame those in 1860 just 73 years later for starting a war over it.

      That’s like saying it was ok to be racist in 1948 and deny blacks civil rights but not in 2021 because times were different which would mean all our parents and relatives alive then were racists and should be treated with contempt regardless of the good deeds they did in their lives.

      I accept they were all racist hundreds of years ago and it was WRONG but I also understand it was different times so to apply today’s standards to folks hundreds of years ago makes no sense because future history might say the same thing about us today. 50 years from now, those of you against many genders and trannies, including biological men in women’s sports could be treated with the same contempt as hateful bigots of your time.

      If I may so dare to say, if the radical left, MSM, and Big Tech prevails, the entire conservative movement could go the way of the most hateful group in US history someday.

    641. jason says:

      since he doesn’t socialize with anyone over 15 years old.

      Jason will ignore this post like all the others.”

      Sure will. If every adult that socializes with teenagers is a child predator there must be at least 100 million child predators in the US.

      Socialize
      “participate in social activities; mix socially with others”

      “make (someone) behave in a way that is acceptable to their society”

      Neither definition has anything to do with “child predator”

      But of course Bitter knows that, he just wants to be victimized.

    642. Tgca says:

      653

      I’m sure if I were kindergarten-sized, you’d be stalking me to be your friend and hang out with you but luckily my 165 pound manly physique immediately turns you off since you lack maturity to have adult friends, by your own admission many times.

    643. Bitterlaw says:

      I’m sure if I were kindergarten-sized, you’d be stalking me to be your friend and hang out with you

      Stalking? Acceptable, jason?

    644. jason says:

      I won’t be eating at NYC’s, Tgca’s, or Bitter’s house any time soon. One serves bad food on purpose, one only eats fake food, one only drinks sugary drinks.

      Maybe Walt’s, the History books say his grilled woolly mammoth steaks are to die for.

    645. jason says:

      Dang Tgca went from 115 lbs to 165 lbs in a couple weeks?

      Probably caused a massive organic maple syrup shortage in the US.

    646. Bitterlaw says:

      you lack maturity to have adult friends, by your own admission many times.

      Produce a post where I said I lack maturity to have adult friends. I have adult friends. Saw many of them (they are parents) on graduation night at a party for the graduates.

    647. jason says:

      Stalking? Acceptable, jason?’

      Yes, Tgca is like what 40 years old.

    648. Bitterlaw says:

      Did you call your 2 friends today, Tgclown?

    649. jason says:

      ” I have adult friends’

      Are you lying now or were you lying when you posted dozens of times you didn’t hang out with anybody?

    650. Bitterlaw says:

      Yes, Tgca is like what 40 years old.

      Do you stretch before you twist yourself like that? He said that I would stalk somebody if I thought they were in kindergarten.

    651. jason says:

      Bitter still desperately trying to get anything Tgca has written to remotely imply he is being called a child predator.

      Epic fail.

    652. Bitterlaw says:

      I don’t go out often. I consider you a friend. We don’t hang out.

    653. Bitterlaw says:

      Phil, Wes and NYC know what Tgca was saying.

    654. Tgca says:

      My last point on the Civil War is that regardless of why and how we got there, it was a sad time in our nation when families and friends turned against one another and hundreds of thousands died.

      Imagine if you have two children who grow up against one another, one a cop and one a criminal. Is it easy for you to choose and decide to care less what happens to the other? If the bad seed is shot and left for dead dying in the street would you be gleeful of that suffering like Bitter is of southerners?

      That was my point!

      We saw the same during WW2 in Europe where bigotry and hatred tore friends and families apart. Many did it out of fear and not because they wanted to harm others. Many did it out of stupidity believing in what they thought Nazism would bring for their country. Many did it because they were just evil.

      Yeah, you could call many who supported the Nazis cowards for not standing up, and I get that but who here would risk having their family slaughtered in front of them if they did not comply?

      Would Bitter, faced with having his daughter raped and slaughtered in front of him say, I will stand against the Nazis no matter what is do with my daughter as you wish but I stand firm against you back then or would he sadly comply and keep that rage inside of him to protect his family?

    655. Tgca says:

      660

      Think Popeye! I loves me some spinach and regardless of what y’all say

      I yam what I yam!

    656. Tgca says:

      663

      Actually my friend called me earlier and I was busy with the handy man and said I would call him back and forgot.

      Thanks for the reminder.

      You going to hang with your entourage this afternoon or you guys just gonna Snapchat one another?

    657. Tgca says:

      668

      …and many others know here you’re the ever whining victim of…well…just everything actually.

      Go woke. Drink Coke!

    658. Wes says:

      So, Tg, were you cheating on your starvation diet to jump 50 pounds in a month?

    659. Tgca says:

      675

      Hey! Mr. Rogers hung out with kids…and he wore sweaters too.

      Hmmm…I’m starting to see a pattern here.

      Captain Kangaroo hunt out with kids.

      No one ever said they were predators.

    660. Tgca says:

      673

      Tofu and spinach Wes!

      Tofu and spinach!

      I leave the Krispy Kreme’s for you as always.

    661. Bitterlaw says:

      You going to hang with your entourage this afternoon or you guys just gonna Snapchat one another?

      Everybody but jason knows what he is doing.

    662. Wes says:

      So, you just doubled up on your slop to gain weight.

      Good to know.

    663. jason says:

      No comment.

      “A lab test set up by the New York Times reportedly detected no tuna DNA in 60 inches of tuna sandwiches that were examined. The experiment included sandwiches from three Subway shops in Los Angeles. Of course, there’s a catch.

      According to a spokesperson from the unidentified lab that conducted the testing, there are two possibilities for their inability to detect tuna. The first explanation is that Subway’s tuna is so heavily processed that if there is tuna in their sandwiches, it couldn’t be clearly identified. The second possibility is that there’s no tuna.”

    664. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes – There are almost no calories in cardboard. I don’t think Tgca could eat enough of it to gain weight.

    665. jason says:

      Phil, Wes and NYC know what Tgca was saying.”

      Are they always right?

      Yesterday wes said you had adopted left wing talking points in your pursuit of wokiness.

    666. jason says:

      Now “entourage” is code for child predator?

      I must say this for Bitter, his victimization horizons are growing by leaps and bounds.

    667. Bitterlaw says:

      Are they always right?

      The fact that they arrived at their conclusion independently of each other AND they disagree with me as often as you makes their determination of what Tgca is accusing me of credible.

    668. jason says:

      Under Bitter’s definition every scout leader is a child predator. Every youth camp leader or counselor. Just about every coach and teacher in America too. Anyone who mentors kids. Any organizer of children activities. The list is endless.

      So is the stupidity.

    669. jason says:

      what Tgca is accusing me of credible.”

      LOL

      I am yet to see ONE post where he accused you of being a child predator.

    670. jason says:

      I don’t to be unkind and say a whole bunch of people who disagree with me often arrived at the conclusion you support woke culture independently.

    671. NYCmike says:

      Like Bitterlaw, I don’t socialize with the minors in the Boy Scout Troop I volunteer with. I am a father, and next year I will be an adult leader, as my son will be moving on. I am staying on as I try to develop a program for the scouts to participate in more sports, as I find many of them have less confidence in that area than other children their age.

      I do, here and there, socialize with the parents of the scouts.

      Repeat – I do NOT socialize with the children in the program. To say otherwise is an accusation of wrongdoing in today’s world.

      To further the point – I will assist a Scout in logistics for his Eagle Scout Project. Every communication with the child MUST have at least 2 adult leaders on the text and/or email, phone conversations are through the phone of the parent of the child, and any in-person meetings MUST also have 2-deep parental controls. Also recommended is having another scout present.

    672. NYCmike says:

      #683 is beyond the realm of stupidity.

    673. lisab says:

      about 25% of lesbian married couples have children, and almost 70% are exclusively biological children

      about 10% of gay married men have children, slightly more than 70% have only biological children

    674. NYCmike says:

      https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mcafee-dead-suicide-spain-jail-tax-evasion-2021-6

      -Just extradited to the United States, then somehow he commits suicide………there’s something fishy here………and it probably ain’t tuna neither!

    675. Bitterlaw says:

      683 is pure bs. I am very careful in my wording and would not use terms like socialize, buddies, hang out, or entourage to describe mentoring or coaching or scouting. NYC gets what Tgca was implying. Jason refuses to admit it.

    676. Bitterlaw says:

      NYC – Time for you to coach hockey. Just remember the way you grew up playing is now a felony.

    677. Tgca says:

      If everyone knows I’m speaking in code to accuse Bitter of being a child predator, please share the code key with me so I can understand the code I’m speaking in…TYVM!

      As I’ve said before, if I thought Bitter was a child predator, I’d report it to the police or better yet, let LisaB know about it so she could handle it more discreetly in a caring manner since I have no tolerance for child molestors, having come across some in my lifetime.

      That being said, I still think Bitter acts like a young teenager with his overly melodramatic behavior and constant victimization, and therefore I can see why he isolates himself from interaction with adults outside his own family per his own previous posts of never doing anything but work and coaching, knowing otherwise adults would not put up with his constant drama.

      So it is logical to conclude that Bitter’s only social interaction besides his family is with the teens he coaches but for some reason he is offended that he is associated with this social interaction…and yes, playing and coaching sports is a social interaction.

      Was Mr. Rogers offended because he spent his time befriending and developing children?

      Was Captain Kangaroo offended because he befriended and developed children?

      Being sensitive to concerns about how people may take that association is just another of Bitter’s melodramatic behaviors.

      Most people would not harp over this the way Bitter does so it is only reasonable to mock him more because of it to get a rise out of him, and if there’s one thing I love to do is get a rise out of Bitter…the bigger the rise…the better…albeit with much love for my good friend Bitter of course.

    678. Tgca says:

      So NYC and Wes are the arbitrators in all disagreements at HHR all of a sudden when it suits your needs?

      Why those two when you routinely put them down otherwise? How could they possibly be credible? Is it because you need them to defend your drama?

      Why not let LisaB or Jadon be arbitrators in this matter? Why not Paul?

    679. lisab says:

      or better yet, let LisaB know about it so she could handle it more discreetly in a caring manner since I have no tolerance for child molestors, having come across some in my lifetime.
      ————————-

      nooooooo … don’t do that!

      i’m a mandatory reporter ….

      there is no “caring manner” it goes right to child services and the cops!

      i want no part of that! i’m going to nope right out of that

    680. Tgca says:

      I don’t expect Wes to defend me because he’s insanely jealous of my manly physique and deliciously nutritious diet.

      NYC clearly resents me for leaving him stuck up in there in the filth of his city while I’ve moved on to greener pastures with much sunshine and blue skies.

    681. Wes says:

      When I see Tgca express his delusion that I’m jealous of him, I can describe him using only one word:

      https://www.dictionary.com/browse/solipsism

    682. Tgca says:

      694

      Well lucky for you there are no worries here since no one has actually accused or believes or has suspicions or evidence that my good friend Bitter is a child predator.

      But Bitter is like a celebrity, as long as he’s the center of attention here with his drama, any publicity keeps you relevant, good or bad.

      Like I said before, he’s our Meghan Markle here at HHR.

      What’s that old saying?

      Doesn’t matter what talk they’re talking about you as long as they’re talking about you.

    683. Bitterlaw says:

      Coaching is not “socializing,” you cowardly scumbag. Play your games. I have been out with adults several times in the past month. I posted about those events.

      You are the one who craves constant drama and attention. You haven’t mentioned being a crippled gay Hispanic with an impoverished background yet today. Did you forget?

      As for lisab, I want nothing from her. If she needed something from me in order to live, I would not give it to her. If I needed something from her or I would die, I would accept death. She is a vicious liar who has fooled all of you.

    684. lisab says:

      he’s our Meghan Markle here at HHR.
      —————————————-

      actually … for better or worse

      you could plausibly say that meghan markle is quite successful

    685. Tgca says:

      Theven Hundwid bishes!

      Theven Hundwid I thay!

    686. Tgca says:

      698

      I apologize if you’re now socializing again with the big boys and girls, and no longer hiding in your home. I did not make the connection evidently but it’s really hard to keep up with all your drama at times.

      …and congratulations too.

      I hope your renewed social interaction was well received?

    687. Tgca says:

      By the way, I got like 5 texts from friends around the country this week.

      Isn’t that awesome?

      How many Snapchat’s did you share today?

    688. Bitterlaw says:

      More accusations of inappropriate contact from Tgca. scumbag.

    689. Tgca says:

      698

      People in glass houses should not throw glass stones.

      It wouldn’t take much effort to post all your whining about your life and how awful you’ve had it and how it’s contributed to your decades of rage that have built up.

    690. Bitterlaw says:

      Or you could be a man and call me to make your accusations instead of posting on a blog.

    691. Tgca says:

      Snapchat’s key demographics are 13 to 29-year olds with 69% of 13 to 17-year-olds using the app and 62% of 18 to 29-year-olds using it.

      I did not know snap chatting with 29 year-olds was considered inappropriate.

      I know many 40+ that use it. I don’t personally but to each his own.

    692. Bitterlaw says:

      I can’t believe I did not want Tgclown to leave when he promised he would stop posting on 1/20/2021

    693. Wes says:

      I have to admit watching Bitterlaw and Tgca argue is tedious.

    694. CG says:

      I am the only fair arbiter.

    695. Tgca says:

      Stop trying to get me to call you!!! Geez!

      You can’t be that desperate for adult companionship, can you?

      1st you offer to show me around Philly’s gay Mecca Center City and point out the gay bars by name I should go to, and now you want me to call you?

      It’s creepy. You’re married! We ain’t going there.

      Let’s just stay friends.

      Besides, if I call you I’m sure you’ll have me on the phone for 3 hours telling me about how wronged you were in 2nd grade by a hall monitor or something.

    696. Wes says:

      I have to imagine this song playing when Tgca and Bitterlaw finally meet:

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cHw4GER-MiE

    697. Tgca says:

      707

      Oh Jesus, Jose y Maria!

      Here we go again!

      Bitter tried to stop me!

      He flung himself in front of the HHR door!

      No TG! Don’t go. Please Don’t Go

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-l5FyA3pgo

    698. Tgca says:

      Then it was Baby Come Back

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLtmmFjxSoc

      Now it’s like I Hate Everything About You

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph9KP2_lT5Q

    699. Tgca says:

      All I wanna know is Should I Stay or Go?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN1WwnEDWAM

    700. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Anyone who thought that after its 2020 debacle with respect to polling the national election, FOX News would be introspective and make changes in order to be more accurate—-Fuhgetaboutit!!
      It just released a poll showing Joe Biden’s approval at 56% with approval from more than 1 in 5 Republicans(21%). The only polling group with 20% or more of GOP support is Harris which has had Biden’s approval at 60%+ from the get go.
      FOX used an R+1 PID or the usual PID D+6 or so would have had him with a 60%+ approval.
      To illustrate the absurdity of the GOP data, the poll has Republican approval on the President’s “handling of immigration” at 18%!
      It appears that the same pollsters who did a poor job in 2020 remain.

      https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2021/06/Fox_June-19-22-2021_National_Topline_June-23-Release-1.pdf

    701. jason says:

      “as I’ve said before, if I thought Bitter was a child predator, ”

      So for the thousandth time Tgca says he does not think Bitter is a child predator.

      For the thousandth time Bitter the drama queen will pretend he thinks he was called a child predator.

      I agree with wes, it is profoundly tedious.

    702. jason says:

      CG says:
      June 23, 2021 at 6:53 pm

      I am the only fair arbiter.”

      The Biden Troll got his out of Biden’s ass just enough to do a drive-by?

      Zzzzzz…..

    703. jason says:

      His head out of Biden’s ass.

    704. jason says:

      The idiots in the PA legislature playing Kabuki Theater with Wolf.

      I am so glad I never have to work for, contribute or vote for any of these morons again.

      “A Republican rewrite of Pennsylvania election law that would mandate voter IDs, alter registration and ballot counting deadlines and give conservatives auditing procedures they have clamored for passed the state House on Tuesday despite the Democratic governor’s veto threat.

      The lengthy and complex bill, crafted after 10 committee hearings on the subject earlier this year, was sent to the state Senate on a vote of 110-91”

    705. jason says:

      Repeat – I do NOT socialize with the children in the program. To say otherwise is an accusation of wrongdoing in today’s world.”

      Sure you do. You are a compulsive liar. There is no way a scout leader does not socialize with the scouts.

      Of course if you want to corrupt and make up your own definition of what socialize means, be my guest.

      There is nothing wrong with adults socializing with young people. Nada. Zilch.

      When my kids were growing up I must have hundreds of instances where I socialized with their groups of friends. I organized dozens of trips and parties and all kinds of social events, and not once did any of their parents consider me a child predator.

      Bitter and NYC are making sh-t up just to attack Tgca.

      Stupid and shameful.

    706. Bitterlaw says:

      Zzzzzzzz. Organizing things to do with your children and their friends is very different than being accused of calling up children to hang out alone with them. You were a chaperone. You were not accused of being their buddy or bestie or part of a teen entourage.

      You are not this stupid. Keep defending Tgca. If you accepted the truth of what he is saying about me, how should I react?

    707. lisab says:

      than being accused of calling up children to hang out alone with them.
      —————————–

      did someone, other than you, say that you call up children to hang out alone with them?

    708. Bitterlaw says:

      Since this is so tedious, I will try to ignore Tgca. He will continue his lies about me. I feel sorry for him.

      I will also try to ignore lisab while wishing nothing but the worst for her. I read her posts from a year ago and now and find it difficult to believe how vicious she has become. She is truly a terrible person.

    709. Bitterlaw says:

      723 Tgca accused me of it many times. GFY.

    710. lisab says:

      i don’t remember him ever say that you call up children to be alone with them

    711. Tgca says:

      New thwed losahs!

      New thwed i thay!