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    Murphy Leads Ciattarelli By 15% in NJ, DeSantis Leads in Re-Election Bid in FL

    Jack Ciattarelli still has an uphill climb if he is hoping to take the gubernatorial seat in New Jersey away from the incumbent Phil Murphy according to a new poll from Fairleigh Dickinson University.

    GOVERNOR – NEW JERSEY (FDU)
    Phil Murphy (D-inc) 48%
    Jack Ciattarelli (R) 33%

    This poll was done June 9 -16 803 among registered voters. Meanwhile better news for Republicans in the state of Florida is a new poll from The Listener Group that has Ron DeSantis ahead of both Nikki Fried and Charlie Crist.

    GOVERNOR – FLORIDA (TLG)
    Ron DeSantis (R-inc) 55%
    Charlie Crist (D) 45%

    Ron DeSantis (R-inc) 60%
    Nikki Fried (D) 39%

    This poll was done June 21st among 716 likely voters.

    Posted by Dave at 9:50 pm
    Filed under: General | Comments (197)

    197 Responses to “Murphy Leads Ciattarelli By 15% in NJ, DeSantis Leads in Re-Election Bid in FL”

    1. Bitterlaw says:

      First

    2. Tgca says:

      Dos Bebe! Dos!

    3. Wes says:

      New Jersey will continue to destroy itself this November.

    4. Tgca says:

      Cuatro Bebe! Cuatro!

    5. Tgca says:

      Cinco Bebe! Cinco!

    6. Tgca says:

      What an idiot!

      Biden says

      “If you think you need to have weapons to take on the government? You need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons. The point is, it’s always been the ability to limit, to rationally limit the type of weapon that can be owned and who could own them.”

      I agree certain weapons may have to be limited and balanced with private gun owners rights like a bazooka or rocket launcher but to think the Founding Fathers anticipated that gubbermint weapons would be so advanced in the future that it would be useless for citizens to bear arms to protect themselves against tyrannical gubbermint and therefore that was never the purpose of the 2nd amendment is really a stoopid thing to say.

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/need-nuclear-weapons-take-govt-biden-says-2nd-amendment-always-allowed-limit-type-weapon-can-owned-video/

    7. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes – You love to use use history to predict present elections. No Democrat has been re-elected Governor in New Jersey since the 1970s. Did you factor that in? Murphy also has to defend the slaughter in the nursing homes and the devastating shutdowns.

    8. jason says:

      If you accepted the truth of what he is saying about me, how should I react?”

      You would have the right to be offended but I would still think it wouldn’t merit 1,000 posts.

      Your problem is that not only did he never call you a child predator he has repeatedly said he does not think you are a child predator.

      So “interpreting” what he said is one thing. But after he has repeatedly stated it was never his intention to imply anything like that to continue to insist that is what he meant is asinine in my view.

      Time to move on.

      So you have no case.

    9. Tgca says:

      7

      No widely known raping pedophile Senator has evah been re-elected in the Sewer State either until Jersey folks decided to re-elect Menendez.

      Times change.

    10. Phil says:

      Finally, the end of Charlie Crist’s political career.

      DeSantis. One of the few Republicans worth voting for. Impressive numbers. Twenty or thirty years ago, before the media became a 100% arm of the Democratic Party he could have actually been elected President.

    11. Bitterlaw says:

      Sadly, you really are that stupid. You accept his disingenuous lies and denials but ignore the relentless posts calling children my fiends, my buddies, my entourage and saying I not only “hang out” with them outside of games but also exchange SnapChats with them. I asked my daughter what SnapChat is for. She said it is posts that are automatically deleted when seen. What legitimate purpose would there be for a coach to send that to children?

    12. Cash Cow TM says:

      DRUDGE

      40 cows escape slaughterhouse, 1 charges family…

      **************************************************
      RUN FORREST, RUN!

    13. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca could immediately end all doubt that he is not implying or accusing me of being a child predator by simply refraining from his attacks about me coaching children. He won’t. He has fooled Jason but not everybody.

    14. Wes says:

      Despite all that, Bitter, Murphy has positive approvals in a state that, except for Chris Christie before Bridgegate, has trended no way but left ever since 2001.

    15. Tgca says:

      11

      I guess you missed my post on Snapchat users from the last thread. Those were user % from 2019. Today, over 50% Snapchat users are ages 18 to 25 and 75% are ages 15 thru 36.

      Here is the latest from late 2020 by age use demographic that I found.

      15 to 25, 48%

      26 to 35, 30%

      36 to 45, 18%

      46 to 55, 11%

      56+, 5%

      As I noted, a large number of the adult population use it though it’s been losing popularity over time. In 2019, 18 to 29 use was 62%.

      Snapchat allows folks to share pics, videos, instant message, share with followers, that usually delete within a prescribed timeframe of 24 hours to 30 days depending on users and settings. Law enforcement can still access Snapchat’s after they are deleted from user views in many cases.

    16. Tgca says:

      15

      …and either senders or recipients can save Snapchat messages too so there is no expectation of privacy using Snapchat.

    17. Tgca says:

      If you wanna Snapchat me let me know so I can save your live message expressing your decades of rage and then post it for all HHR to see.

      My suspicions is you don’t know how to use it so you’ll need your daughter or someone else in your entourage to assist you in setting it up…or you could find that 5% that are 56+ in Radnor too who are statistically Snapchatters to assist you.

    18. Tgca says:

      Wes is going to be soooo excited.

      Krispy Kreme is going Public and expecting to be valued at $3.2 billion at the high end.

      That’s a lot of donuts!

      https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/initial-public-offering-krispy-kreme-jab-holding-company-raise-640m

    19. Wes says:

      I don’t really get why you connect me to Krispy Kreme, Tg. It’s based in an NC city I don’t live in. That’s a pretty tenuous connection.

    20. Tgca says:

      19 Wes

      I thought Krispy Kreme was all that was worthwhile that ever came out of North Carolina unlike New Jersey which has a rich history of so much to be proud of.

    21. Tgca says:

      Horrific news out of Miami. Praying for these folks impacted.

      12 story building with about 100 units built in 1981 partially collapsed around 2AM. Section that collapsed had about half the units.

      Reported multiple casualties and folks screaming under rubble as they search for survivors.

      Not sure what causes a building to just cave in on itself after 40 years but it was reported a loud explosion-like sound before the collapse. That could have just been part of the collapse itself but not sure anyone really knows yet if this was accidental or purposely initiated.

      https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article252324218.html

    22. Gordon Allen says:

      Kurt Schlicter over at Townhall did a poll on his( very Trump friendly) Twitter account and found 50-45 those polled favored DeSantis over Trump for the 2024 nomination.
      They like/ appreciate Trump but want to move on..
      I’m in that category myself.Nobody else got 1%

    23. Tgca says:

      Shhh!!! Don’t tell Wes but …

      …a lot of interesting numbers out of this recent Rasmussen poll of 900 folks where I believe one North Carolinian person polled was excluded from the sample because of the stoopid theory that fraud does not exist anywhere unless there is proven fraud in North Carolina 1st.

      41% still don’t believe Biden won the election fairly with 70% being GOP, 10% Dems, and 45% Indys. These doubting Thomases seem to have increased since Feb and Apr polling so the MSM will not like this.

      55% support forensic audits of 2020 election and 29% oppose them with 17% not sure. Notice the rounding up to 101%.

      71% GOP, 38% Dems, and 57% Indys support the audits.

      62% of voters under 40 support the audits, with 52% between ages 40 and 64 and 49% aged 65+.

      Those making less than $30K or more than $200K are less supportive of audits.

      Those that strongly approve of Biden do not approve of the audits by 57%. In contrast, those that strongly disapprove of Biden support the audits by 81%.

      Overall, 48% think expressing doubt about elections undermine democracy, whereas 34% do not and 18% are unsure. Of those concerned about audits undermining democracy, 56% are Dems, 47% are GOP, and 38% are Indys with 53% being male and 43% female with I guess 100% of the other 68+ genders but I have no proof of that last stat. Also, 51% of whites, 45% AA, and 41% others believe audits undermine democracy.

      https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/june_2021/55_of_voters_support_election_audits

    24. Gordon Allen says:

      Interesting. Does anybody know whether Rasmussen still weights D + 4??

    25. Tgca says:

      Wow! Watch this if you’re not woke or from Radnor, PA.

      You’ll love this very passionate, articulate bastard child of Margaret Thatcher ripping the school board a new one challenging them with directly quoting a SCOTUS decision that prohibits them from shutting down his speech.

      https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/06/23/viral_school_board_speech_it_is_my_constitutional_right_to_critique_your_fascism.html

    26. Phil says:

      I am also in the DeSantis over Trump camp. I appreciate Trump’s backbone in standing up to the media and the Republican establishment…but DeSantis has proven he is more than willing to do the same – and do it without without having Trump’s baggage. Could he win a general election? Very doubtful in the new woke America – not without a D beside his name. Still, nice to have a Republican (ANY Republican) around I can personally vote for.

    27. Bitterlaw says:

      Zzzzzzzzzz. I agree with what they said to the School Board. So do many parents I know. More ignorant statements by Tgclown.

    28. jason says:

      If the presidential primary was today and if I was registered to vote and if I was voting in the R primary and if the candidates were Trump and DeSantis I would vote for Trump.

      That is lot of ifs.

      My reasoning is that Trump was a good president and the election was stolen from him. DeSantis is doing a great job as governor but 2 1/2 good years as governor does not necessarily a good President make.

      All hypothetical, for sure I won’t be voting in the R primary and I doubt I will vote in the GE.

      The R incompetent legislature, the incompetent D governor and the partisan D PA supreme court have colluded to ensure my vote either wouldn’t count or won’t be counted as I voted.

      Actually when it comes to ensuring the election system in PA is completely fraudulent, all three were very competent in achieving that. So “incompetent” might not be the right word.

    29. Wes says:

      I can summarize Jason’s above post in many fewer words:

      I gave up my right to vote, so it doesn’t matter what candidate I’d support in a GOP primary.

    30. jason says:

      I gave up my right to vote, so it doesn’t matter what candidate I’d support in a GOP primary.”

      Close.

      My right to vote has been corrupted so it doesn’t matter what candidate I’d support in a GOP primary.

    31. Tgca says:

      28

      Don’t give up hope Jadon!

      More and more are starting to question the 2020 election results combined with Biden’s radically left agenda so hope they wrap up these audits soon so Trump can rightfully be reinstated as the 45th POTUS in August.

    32. Wes says:

      That being the case, Jason, why do you still post here? You expend a lot of hot air on a subject you claim no longer to be interested in.

    33. Tgca says:

      32

      HHR is not just about political polls. It’s a safe place for folks to respectfully discuss and share thoughts on many topics like:

      ABORTION
      Tasty vegetarian recipes
      Inhumane treatment of animals for human consumption
      Lovers of Coke, the NFL, the NBA, and being woke
      Female sibling rivalry
      Gay lifestyle with a non-gay female gay Expert
      Metrosexuals and the love of sweaters, flowers, and YouTube cat videos
      Fraudulent elections and those in denial over them
      Everything great about the Sewer State
      White privileged racist woke Radnor, PA
      Why northeast voters and the politicians they elect are far superior than their southern counterparts
      Southern fake politeness and their irritating accents
      Folks who falsely claim they’ve been accused of pedophilia
      Republican politicians who attend foam parties
      Chuck Connor’s penis
      etc etc etc

    34. Tom says:

      Tgca – I’m at a loss for words to express my relief for missing the thread on Chuck Connor’s penis. Please don’t trouble yourself reprising it.

    35. jason says:

      That being the case, Jason, why do you still post here? You expend a lot of hot air on a subject you claim no longer to be interested in.”

      LOL

      Where did I claim I was not interested?

    36. jason says:

      The 2020 Presidential election was stolen.

      Perdue’s seat was stolen if not Loeffler’s too.

      Probably at least half a dozen seats in the House were stolen.

      All the mechanisms the Dems put in to steal these elections are still there, don’t be fooled by the “voting reforms” in Red states, it won’t change anything.

      I worked hard for R candidates for decades in several states. I spent a lot of time any my own money doing it. I contributed tens of thousands of dollars to R candidates. I attended hundreds of meeting of local R organizations. I voted in every primary and GE and tried to get as many people to vote as I could.

      For what? So my vote wouldn’t count?

      I am no longer involved in any of that, including voting. But the fact I don’t think my vote counts and don’t want to participate in anything to do with elections doesn’t mean I am not interested in in the country or in the future of my kids. I expect the worst but hope for the best.

    37. jason says:

      Schumer just announced he has confirmed more judges already than the entire first year of Trump’s administration.

    38. Tgca says:

      34 Tom

      It was a few threads over time a couple years back. Jadon vigorously argued, after careful inspection for circumcision of the internet pics, that he had some doubt it was Chuck Connors but others felt otherwise because of the strong resemblance.

      I think LisaB started this one but don’t remember all the details.

    39. Tgca says:

      Wow!

      NY suspends Giuliani law license until further notice over 2020 election fraud claims, saying he was an immediate threat to the public.

      This is an intimidation factor to shut dissent down.

      Note that none of the radical left lawyers who called Trump’s election Russian collusion were not treated similarly. Were those lies NOT an immediate threat to the public as well?

      My gut feeling is Rudy will fight like hell on this…we’ll see.

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/24/new-york-suspends-rudy-giuliani-law-license-over-election-fraud-claims/

    40. Gordon Allen says:

      Jason. DeSantis also had 6 years in Congress where he was anti Paul Ryan/ anti establishmen and an unafraid defender/ advocate of and for Trump,so much so Robbie numbnuts called him a Trump numbnuts,exceptionally high praise indeed.
      Is there any movement to take back the changes the PA Supreme Court made to the election laws?
      You would think on institutional protection grounds there would be

    41. Tgca says:

      40

      Yes. They’ve been working to try and free folks but delayed by thunderstorms earlier. Time is of the essence here.

      I saw them bring one kid out who looked fine…Thank God.

      My suspicion is we have a lot of bad news to come because with 50+ missing and it happened in the wee hours just after midnight, unless they were all not home, the hope may not be great based on the level of destruction and debri piled up.

      We will see.

    42. Wes says:

      There can be only one appropriate response to the absolutely moronic post Jason typed in 36:

      https://giphy.com/gifs/funny-JDbx0yICUNdPW

    43. Phil says:

      Wes, I understand your views on voting in future elections….but, they are based on a false premise. You seem to believe that there has always been election fraud but that it is usually just not enough to make much of a difference – that 2020 was just business as usual in the fraud department.

      That’s just not the case. I can’t name another election in our history in which mail in ballots with little or no voter ID, ballot harvesting, extended time after the election for arrival of ballots, drop boxes all over the place etc etc were ever allowed. Not one.

      Democrats went all out to codify all this with HB1. Ask yourself why that was.

    44. jason says:

      Zzzzzzz….

      I bet I have done more for my country, more for the R party and more for conservative causes than wes would even if he lived as long a walt.

      What is moronic is doing the same thing over an over and expecting a different outcome.

      wes accepts what the Dems have done to the election system but feel comfortable saying others have given up the right to vote?

      I think if you accept elections rigged by fraud you are pretty much giving up your right to vote too.

    45. jason says:

      s there any movement to take back the changes the PA Supreme Court made to the election laws?
      You would think on institutional protection grounds there would be”

      None.

      The incompetent R legislature just passed a bill voiding some of the measures that allowed for fraud but Wold will veto it and the Dems have enough votes to prevent an override. Kabuki Theater.

      In any case the PA Supreme Court is overwhelmingly composed of leftist moonbats who already gerrymandered the districts so they could steal 3 seats in 2016 and now would never allow any changes to the current system.

      Voter fraud and rigged elections in PA are here to stay.

    46. Phil says:

      Jason just laid out the situation in Pa. if I were him I wouldn’t waste time voting there either. The system is completely rigged by fraud. Prime reason the Senate seat is gone gone.

    47. Wes says:

      I’m not a conservative and don’t identify as such, Jason, so if you’ve done more for conservative causes than I, then that’s not hard.

      As far as the Republican Party, I’ll be more than willing to put my campaign work and contributions against you.

      Regarding the country, you’ve been in the military, so you have me there. That makes your inane political analysis any less laughable.

    48. NYCmike says:

      “The R incompetent legislature, the incompetent D governor and the partisan D PA supreme court have colluded to ensure my vote either wouldn’t count or won’t be counted as I voted.”

      -Not much to disagree with……but I will point out that back when Corbett got elected Governor in PA, what was it 2010, and then had a terrible term, part of it was the terrible job done by the Republican legislature, who unlike their counterparts in Wisconsin, were timid and sought to keep their positions instead of making long-term alterations to the state itself.

      At that time, I said as much, yet both jason and Bitterlaw disagreed……..looks like jason is finally catching up with me on another issue. Bitterlaw we are still waiting on.

    49. NYCmike says:

      I would rather have DeSantis as candidate over Trump in 2024.

      Don’t get me wrong – I would LOVE to get The Orange Man back in the Oval Office, but I don’t see how it’s possible…….and I don’t want to wish for a full economic collapse that Trump could make hay with.

    50. Cash Cow TM says:

      DRUDGE article

      “Hebrew U and Tel Aviv University researchers found remains of a new type of ‘Homo’ who lived in the region some 130,000 years ago.”

      This is an archaic homo.

      Walt thinks he vaguely remembers these homos that are between Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens.

    51. Bitterlaw says:

      Why don’t researchers just call Walt. He knew all the prior homos.

    52. Tgca says:

      Just because someone served in the military doesn’t automatically mean they’re a do-gooder or patriotic or a conservative.

      People go in the military for different reasons whether it’s a family tradition, no other realistic options out of school, to escape their home life, because they’re enthusiastically patriotic, educational benefits, etc.

      I’ve known quite a few folks who joined for these reasons and served admirably. I’ve also known some that got kicked out, like my brother, or behaved criminally, or did not end up being decent folks. So to me, the military is like, any other profession that is diverse in the quality of folks serving and dedication.

      That being said, I always respect the military as an institution for the great sacrifices they make to serve their country by choice …or not in some cases…but I don’t necessarily respect everyone who has served in the military even if they have done so admirably. John Kerry is an example of someone who served his country admirably but came back to treat folks like chit through his actions, legislative support, and personal demeanor towards people who both served and did not.

      Bitter and me were not allowed to serve because metaphorically he is flat-footed and I’ve got a limp wrist so maybe we could have made a difference or not…who knows.

      Military service is only one aspect of a person’s being so I don’t hang my hat either way on those who served as having more patriotism or doing greater service for their country than those who did not serve.

    53. Tgca says:

      51

      Where were these homos found? In ancient bath houses? Ancient foam parties sites?

      Were they impeccably groomed?

    54. Wes says:

      Well, I just found out I’m going to have to have my favorite cat put to sleep tomorrow. I hate to lose him, but I don’t want him suffering.

      That hurts. I’ll be back tomorrow.

    55. Bitterlaw says:

      Sorry to hear that, Wes. Cats are excellent judges of character. You are doing the hard but necessary thing so their suffering ends.

    56. jason says:

      At that time, I said as much, yet both jason and Bitterlaw disagreed……..looks like jason is finally catching up with me on another issue. Bitterlaw we are still waiting on.’

      NYC has a good drug dealer selling him some good sh-t.

    57. lisab says:

      regarding chuck conners pen!s

      i posted this link

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fMN8a3ZRUY

      which shows chuck conners shooting 12 shots in 3 seconds … in response to people saying that a assault rifle is way too powerful that can shoot much too fast well, chuck conner’s was shooting a 1892 winchester rifle and then someone started talking about him being in a prn movie

    58. lisab says:

      Emperor Palpatine Urges Citizens To Give Up Their Blasters Since They’d Need A Death Star To Beat The Empire

    59. lisab says:

      Emperor Palpatine Urges Citizens To Give Up Their Blasters Since They’d Need A Death Star To Beat The Empire
      ———————————-

      or … they could just hit it in a very specific place and it would self-destruct!

    60. lisab says:

      In Historic First, WNBA Player Comes Out As Straight

    61. lisab says:

      Female Weightlifter Suffers Tragic Testicle Injury Just Weeks Before Tokyo Olympics

    62. jason says:

      That was funny when I posted it too.

    63. jason says:

      Trying to remember what my position was in the argument.

      I think it was that the porn Chuck was too short (height wise) to be the real Chuck.

    64. jason says:

      Harvard offering 4 year degree on feeling oppressed.

    65. jason says:

      Tough decision on breakfast this morning.

      There was country ham, slab bacon, Amish scrapple, sausage and corned beef hash to choose from.

      In the end I couldn’t make a decision so I ate all of them.

    66. Phil says:

      Lol

      Riot in Portland last night after police shot a person of color. The riot ended when it was discovered the person shot was actually white and the officer who shot the man was black. Everyone just went home.

      No, I’m not kidding.

    67. Phil says:

      Toomey is a joke. Typical Pennsylvania type Republican. I’m sure clueless Pennsylvania Republican primary voters will nominate another clown just like him. Say good bye to that seat Republicans and that’s fine. Who needs another Toomey, Sasse, Flake, Liz Cheney type elitist Republican in the Senate. There are enough Republican useful idiots in the Republican Senate caucus as it is.

    68. Phil says:

      I shouldn’t throw all Pa Republicans in the same category. I should distinguish between Philly suburban Republican types who are useless and Republicans in the rest of the state who are trapped in a state run by Democrats and get no representation from Republican tools like Toomey. I actually feel sorry for those folks.

    69. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Phil
      This cannot be true, can it? Wokeism in the Texas State Guard. Oy Vey! Heads must roll and Gov. Abbott should fix this post-haste!

      https://tnm.me/news/political/federalized-woke-politics-targets-the-texas-state-guard/

    70. jason says:

      Toomey is a woke, spineless, unprincipled ass.

      I certainly regret ever giving him money, working to get him elected, and voting for him.

    71. jason says:

      BIDEN: “It’s awful hard as well to get Latinx vaccinated… Why? They’re worried they’ll be vaccinated and deported.”

      LOL

      Biden thinks all Hispanics are illegal..

    72. Tgca says:

      This is disgusting!

      Make-a-wish Foundation requiring recipients and their families to be vaccinated.

      So dying kids are being told to further inject an experimental vaccine into their sick body or we won’t grant you a dying wish?

      I hope everyone in this decision process gets the most horrible suffering form of a cancer and then let’s force them to take annual vaccines as they’re dying in their beds because we need to protect EVERYONE even if they’re already dying.

      I have absolutely no compassion for these scum.

      https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/shame-on-make-a-wish/

    73. jason says:

      I shouldn’t throw all Pa Republicans in the same category. I should distinguish between Philly suburban Republican types who are useless and Republicans in the rest of the state who are trapped in a state run by Democrats and get no representation from Republican tools like Toomey. I actually feel sorry for those folks.”

      Not to worry. The surburban Republicans are a dying breed, and good riddance.

      They haven’t figured out that if the choice is between a real Dem and a R whose campaign is basically “I am just like a Dem, maybe a little less so” the voters will prefer the real thing.

    74. jason says:

      The MSM is having a hard time deciding who is responsible for the tower collapse in Miami.

      Half say it is Trump’s fault, the other half DeSantis.

    75. Tgca says:

      Call me skeptical but I don’t take Jenner’s bid for CA gubbernor seriously. I feel like the Jenner and Kardashians are always pushing some agenda just to stay in the news. I feel this could be a mockery of the office, not that Newsom doesn’t already do that.

      This was my concern when Trump 1st ran too. It sends the message that being in politics is not about service but to further your personal agenda and just another notch on your belt for any billionaire or celebrity… though Trump found out the hard way it only works for you if you follow the prescribed MSM script.

      https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/caitlynjenner-gavinnewsom-governor-california/2021/06/24/id/1026357/

    76. Wes says:

      Who wants to bet neither Trump nor DeSantis knew that condo tower existed?

    77. jason says:

      Wes making excuses for Trump and DeSantis again?

      If they didn’t know they should have known.

    78. jason says:

      Call Wolf’s bluff. Drop the ID requirement, pass the rest and put the ID requirement in a ballot measure, it can pass in 2023 in time for the Presidential election.

      https://www.theepochtimes.com/voter-id-a-sticking-point-in-pennsylvania-voting-reform_3872983.html

    79. Phil says:

      Republican Senators: so, Mr President, do we have a deal on infrastructure at 900 billion?

      Biden: absolutely.

      Two hours later at press conference

      Biden: If I don’t get my full 5 trillion through reconciliation on top of our agreement I won’t sign the compromise of 900 billion we agreed to.

      Say what?

      Extortion

      This is like you shake hands at a car dealership on a deal and then the salesman says we have a deal but you don’t get the keys unless you give us another $10,000.

      Unbelievable.

    80. jason says:

      So we will have 6 trillion for Dem wish lists and 900 billion of it will be bipartisan.

      What a deal!

    81. jason says:

      “MSNBC’S NICOLLE WALLACE GUSHES OVER JEN PSAKI, SAYS ‘VAST MAJORITY’ OF WHITE HOUSE REPORTERS LIKE HER”

      This is like Tgca endorsing organic maple syrup.

    82. Tgca says:

      You guys can joke all you want but the Miami condo collapse has political fallout in south Florida fir a number of reasons.

      Val Deming should run on this against Rubio. Make it the center of her campaign. That would be my advice to her.

      Tie it to water saturation and global warming with the risks of buildings collapsing in Miami.

      We’ve had a lot of rain here in the last 2 weeks. I was out walking in the muddy wet grass and could feel the earth sinking under my feet and concerned I might get swallowed up by a sink hole.

      We will see if Demings takes my advice.

    83. SoHope says:

      If a politician tries to run on the Miami condo collapse it will backfire. DeSantis would be wise to support the first Responders provide as much state aid as needed maybe push and donate to a GoFundMe type charity for those that lost family members possibly do something with Engineers inspecting older buildings in Florida. But using this as a way to attack the other side what blow up whichever side does it.

    84. Bitterlaw says:

      I hope everyone in this decision process gets the most horrible suffering form of a cancer and then let’s force them to take annual vaccines as they’re dying in their beds because we need to protect EVERYONE even if they’re already dying. I have absolutely no compassion for these scum.

      Irony Meter explodes as person who accused me of being such a hateful loser posts that.

      I do agree that vaccines should not be required.

    85. Tgca says:

      86

      The difference is they are purposely targeting dying children to potentially suffer more with unproven experimental vaccines that could could cause more harm and potentially even shorten their lives for political purposes.

      You take joy in young idealistic brain-washed men dying in battle because you’re a hateful bigot against southerners.

      That’s the difference.

    86. Bitterlaw says:

      You take joy in young idealistic brain-washed men dying in battle to preserve slavery, raping women, selling away family members and working people to death because you’re not an apologist for an evil institution.

      I fixed it for you. You’re welcome.

    87. Tgca says:

      87

      I should further state that it appears they have no concern for the emotional well-being of dying children either. Telling a dying child we got your wish and we will only grant it if you take this vaccine is evil. Imagine the emotional stress and burden this puts on a child, that could worsen the condition, as you shoot down their hopes for a political agenda.

      What if that child is dying of leukemia, a blood cancer? We know these vaccines are distributing through the blood when they were not supposed to and it appears hundreds of healthy people have died just after the vaccine and thousands more became sick, many seriously to the point the CDC is now studying it because it was not statistically inconsequential.

      One can argue only a small percentage of the population had serious vaccine symptoms but only a small percentage of kids get cancer too so what’s the relevance of that stoopid point.

      There is either risk or there isn’t so don’t use dying children as pawns. That’s evil!

    88. Tgca says:

      88

      Just like the Founding Fathers did as they enshrined slavery into the Constitution but you have no problem with it…and let’s not forget the largest and most profitable slave owner plantation was run by a PA resident from afar.

      Under your stoopid exaggerated ideology, it would be ok for foreigners to label American soldiers the same evil doers in the wars Americans fought on their lands.

      Do you think most Japanese think Americans who served in WW2 and battled Japan are noble and decent people?

      Do you think most in the Middle East see American soldiers as heroes or evil doers?

      You truly are stoopid if you don’t see the relevance.

      I’m sure many in your family history did barbaric things too, especially those that served in war. Where is your contrition for their barbaric deeds?

      I’m not excusing any war as I think all war is horrific but sometime necessary to stop evil but most people fighting wars are fighting them because that’s their job and not necessarily what they personally want.

    89. Bitterlaw says:

      Bitterlaw posts:

      I do agree that vaccines should not be required.

      Tgclown posts:

      I should further state that it appears they have no concern for the emotional well-being of dying children either.

      I know that Tgclown has difficulty understanding basic concepts but I thought he could at least read and understand a 9 word sentence.

    90. Bitterlaw says:

      I’m not excusing any war as I think all war is horrific but sometime necessary to stop evil

      Finally. After too many years, Tgclown admits it was necessary for the evil in the Confederacy to be stopped.

    91. Phil says:

      Back to politics.

      Biden Justice Dept to sue Georgia over new Georgia voting law. Well, of course. HB1 was killed by the Senate so it’s now off to plan B. If Democrats can’t codify into law the Bogus voting processes used in 2020, just have the Biden hacks at the Justice Dept do it administratively. Obtain the same result which is to keep in place all the provisions of 2000 that put Biden over the top in that election.

      This is why I scoff at all of you that are so certain the House is going to flip. You are assuming the Democrats are going to allow a level playing field with regard to election processes.

      It’s like none of you have ever watched Democrats operate.

    92. Tgca says:

      92

      I never denied that slavery needed to end.

      The Founding Fathers should have NEVER enshrined it in the Constitution to begin with if you wish to be so highly ethical and morally superior judging common behaviors hundreds of years ago, but they did include it in the Constitution purposely.

      I’ve always thought it a tragedy that Americans fought and killed one another and tore families and friends apart in the Civi War.

      This is not the same as saying you defend the actions of one side over another. It was always a no-win situation because of what the Founding Fathers did.

      So in reality, Washington, Jefferson, et. al. are just as evil doers as those in the south, especially since they were from the South.

      Who do you think Washington and Jefferson would have supported if the Civil War started shortly after the US became a nation instead of 80+ years later?

      Jefferson in effect raped at least one of his slaves. I’m sure he courted Sally publicly instead of influencing her to spread ‘em for him, riiiiiiight?

      So before continuing with your hateful bigotry of southerners, look at who you support and your own family’s history?

    93. Tgca says:

      It’s a good thing the US armed services determined Bitter was not fit to serve his country, or otherwise he’d be whining about folks in foreign lands that call him an American rapist pig.

      Of course, most service folks know how to just suck it up and understand there are two sides to every coin and they could never realistically expect foreigners to understand their service…but they would not post 1,000 posts complaining about what people did or did not say about them.

    94. Wes says:

      I’m not sure the Justice Department can accomplish anything with that lawsuit, Phil. The 11th Circuit has a 13-8 GOP majority while the Supreme Court has a conservative majority even if Roberts sides with the liberals.

      That’s not helpful to Biden’s AG’s case.

    95. Bitterlaw says:

      The Founders were great patriots. Many supported an evil system. Both can be true.

      Sadly, the only way to gain Independence was to go along with the evil system in place in all 13 colonies. That does not make slavery less evil. It just means the Founders were deeply flawed men and not gods.

      There were no Bitters in the South. The one who I know fought in the Revolution settled in PA on land deeded as part of his service with Washington. He disappeared carrying coal to Easton. The deed was ripped out of the official record. The land was stolen by others.Ironically, when the Irish Bitters came to America, they ended up working in the mines developed on the land owned by my ancestor.

    96. michael corleone says:

      How did the founders enshrine slavery into the Constitution? The document abolishes the slave trade, reduces congressional power for states that have slavery, and is otherwise silent.

    97. Bitterlaw says:

      understand there are two sides to every coin

      Let’s see if Tgclown’s apologist complains about him seeing 2 sides to an issue.

    98. Bitterlaw says:

      C

    99. Phil says:

      I was just going to look at the party makeup of that Circuit Court, Wes. Thanks for that information. Chances are that suit won’t be successful. Does indicate along with HB1 just how desperate Democrats are to keep in place the unusual election processes that were put in place in 2020. To say those worked out well for the left would be an understatement. If anything, just the suit alone keeps the BS Democratic talking points against the Georgia law alive as a story in the media.

    100. Tgca says:

      98

      I dunno about you Corleone but I recall studying in history the three fifths rule which essentially enshrined slavery in tje Constitution. It was a compromise instead of ending slavery. Try telling an AA that slavery was not condoned by the Constitution. Try telling any reasonable person that actually.

      Even SCOTUS affirmed slavery in the dreaded Dred Scott decision even though it more clearly and erroneously stated AA free or not, were not covered by the Constitution.

      Article one, section two of the Constitution of the United States declared that any person who was not free would be counted as three-fifths of a free individual for the purposes of determining congressional representation.

    101. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes – I know it is a tough day for you. Sorry about your feline friend. My cat is 16 years old so his days are running out.

    102. Phil says:

      BTW, Wes. Sorry about your pet. We are looking at having to do that at some point to our beloved pup. Don’t like to think about it but he will be 14 in December. Gonna kill us when the time comes.

    103. Tgca says:

      99

      When will Bitter admit his ancestors were racist and he personally idolizes slave owners, bigots, and those that abused slaves including rape? Remember, Bitter loves all that racist slave enshrining history in Philly.

      Will Bitter admit Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin were evil for owning and supporting slaves?

      Will Bitter admit his family who served in the military were evil in the eyes of many responsible for assisting in the deaths of others?

    104. Wes says:

      Thanks, guys. That means a lot to me.

      We were hoping his condition was treatable, but the vet said he had a 10% chance of surviving surgery and would still probably die painfully. That made the decision for us. We just couldn’t see him suffering.

    105. Wes says:

      It doesn’t get any easier even when it’s the best thing for the pet. At least we had 14 years with him though. That’s something to cherish.

    106. Phil says:

      The way you have to look at it, Wes is that you gave your pet a good life with lots of love. Your pet had a good and happy life and a peaceful end. Helps to keep all that in mind.

    107. Bitterlaw says:

      The Founders were great patriots. Many supported an evil system. Both can be true. – Bitterlaw

      Will Bitter admit Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin were evil for owning and supporting slaves? – Tgclown

      Tgca needs to sue the Newark school system for malpractice.

    108. Tgca says:

      106

      Sorry about your cat Wes.

      That’s always a difficult decision to do surgery or not with older pets but there are great risks with surgery in older animals that can make it much worse.

      I tried surgery with my old dog and it only made it worse for her because after a few days she got blood clots and I had to euthanize her because of the painful blood clots and not the actual illness which if the surgery was otherwise successful could have given her 6 months to another year of normal life.

      I did not think about it but blood clots are a big risk of surgery with older animals and that can be very painful for them, especially once they get into the lungs.

      I only wish the vet would have informed me of that risk in advance.

      So you may actually be saving him from more pain and difficulty otherwise, but that in itself is still not a consolation when dealing with the loss of a pet.

    109. Tgca says:

      109

      So why does Bitter make an exception for the Founding Fathers but not southerners then?

      After all, thanks to the Founding Fathers, slaves at least quadrupled from the founding of the nation until the end of the Civil War.

      Simple answer! Bitter is a BIGOT, as myself and other esteemed HHR posters have acknowledged in the past.

      He just can’t admit it.

    110. Tgca says:

      109

      Note Bitter chooses his words selectively to deceive.

      He says southerners were evil for supporting slavery but he does NOT admit the Founding Fathers were evil. Instead he says the Founding Fathers were patriot but supported an evil system.

      That’s like saying Hitler supported an evil system but he was a great German patriot!

    111. Tgca says:

      So again, I ask Bitter

      If the southerners were evil for supporting slavery, were the Founding Fathers evil for supporting slavery.

      It’s a simple yes or no question.

      Also, was Jefferson evil for forced sexual relations with a young black slave? It’s highly unlikely she had a choice in the matter.

    112. NYCmike says:

      https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/06/25/ron-desantis-gets-labeled-worse-than-trump-n402208

      -When will Robbie and “CG” swing by to regurgitate the new narrative?

    113. michael corleone says:

      #102 – I don’t think the 3/5 compromise “enshrines slavery”. Slavery is not preserved as a way of life under the Constitution. For example the first amendment enshrines the freedom of speech. There is not comparable provision preserving slavery. Rather the 3/5 compromise is a recognition of the existing state of affairs, and a compromise to deal with that state of affairs, at the time the constitution was adopted.

    114. Tgca says:

      114. NYC

      I’ve said this before and will say it again.

      It does not matter who the GOP nominates. That person will always be the worst candidate ever for our democracy and the civil rights of Americans, and that election will always be the most important election in our lifetime.

      That is the libs and MSM talking points in every election…ALWAYS.

      This is why it’s silly for those to say that Trump is too controversial and we need to go gentler this time around. It won’t matter. It never will.

      The GOP could nominate Mother Teresa and they make her into some incompassionate selfish whore!

      Remember when we tried compassionate conservative with GWB? He was the worst dictator since Hitler according to the left.

      Just ignore what they say and march on and let the people decide who wins in the messaging war while fighting back against the radical left, MSM, and Big Tech with full force.

    115. Bitterlaw says:

      It is truly sad to see the effects of the Newark school system on Tgclown. Unable to comprehend very simple posts. Maybe if I type slowly it will help.

      Owning slaves was evil.
      Buying, selling, transporting and banking services connected to these things was evil.
      Sex between slaves and masters was rape and, therefore, evil.
      Compromising with slaveowners to start the nation was a horrible necessary evil.

    116. Tgca says:

      115. Corleone

      You’re mincing words here that sound like “it depends on the definition of is” argued by one great former POTUS.

      That inclusion in the Constitution was purposely an agreement to avoid debate over slavery because without slavery, there would be no United States at that time, as it gave the southern states more representation in Congress then they would otherwise have it only counted free people.

      Even SCOTUS later acknowledged blacks were not intended to be citizens in the Constitution. Why blacks and not others?

      No serious person of history thinks the Founding Fathers did not purposely draft the Constitution to protect slavery. That is revising history.

      I don’t understand this ideology of conservatives to deny many of the bad decisions and ideology of our past and just learn from it. Every country has had it. Not one country in the world can escape their past.

      To me, accept it, along with all the great things about the US and move on. Trying to debate it was never about slavery is just silly and this is why conservatives are often not taken seriously,

    117. Tgca says:

      117

      Bitter beats around the Bush like his defense for years of Senator Menendez being scum.

      Again, Bitter, yes or no please.

      If southerners were evil for owning and supporting slavery, we’re Washington, Jefferson and Franklin also evil for owning and supporting slavery?

      Simple yes or no.

      No need for you to apply the Menendez exclusion rule.

    118. Tgca says:

      Now I know how Chris Christi felt in the debates with rookie Rubio.

      Bitter keeps regurgitating talking points but won’t answer a simple yes or no question.

      If person A does something and that makes them evil, then if person B does the exact same thing, then isn’t person B also evil?

      Why is that so hard for Bitter to understand?

    119. Gordon Allen says:

      Wes, I don’t often agree with your outlook, but you have my sympathy re your cat. We have had to put to sleep(I hate that term) over the years four of our precious four legged members of the family( we’re dog people), and it was AWFUL.
      It didn’t console much that we were certain it was the “right” thing to do.We have 2 now, a Maltese and Toy poodle just 9 years old. I can’t imagine they’re leaving us-literally. On the other hand we know they could never live without us, nor would want to.
      In the recesses of our brains this is a major concern.But we have set up a fund explicitly for their care if my wife and I should, god forbid, go in a common accident, and have designated our survivors.
      But they are so absolutely dedicated to us I can’t see them being happy. When (hopefully) God gives me the “you’re in sign”,AFTERWARD I want to suggest he reconsider the life span he gave
      dogs, and perhaps extend it to the lives of their Moms and Dads(that’s us).
      Anyway, you do have my sympathy.

    120. jason says:

      The Founding Fathers should have NEVER enshrined it in the Constitution”

      Zzzzzzz…

      This is supposed to justify the Confederacy and slavery?

      The Egyptians enslaved the Jews.

      Slavery was thus ok in the South.

      The slavery apologists are going to need a better debater.

    121. jason says:

      If person A does something and that makes them evil, then if person B does the exact same thing, then isn’t person B also evil?”

      Bitter, Tgca is trying to steal your King of False Equivalencies title.

      You better think of something fast.

    122. jason says:

      The Founding Fathers should have NEVER enshrined it in the Constitution”

      I agree.

      Fortunately, they never did.

    123. jason says:

      Sorry about your cat wes. But you did the right thing in not prolonging any suffering.

    124. jason says:

      Dang that worse than Trump thing is a heck of an endorsement for DeSantis…

    125. NYCmike says:

      Tgca, michael corleone,

      Appreciate your respectful opinions expressed on the matter of whether slavery was “enshrined it in the Constitution”.

      Thankfully, both of you simply expressed your opinion and that was that, as opposed to an A-Hole acting like an a-hole.

      jason, If you are correct, it is rather odd that we would need this amendment…….

      “Section 1.
      Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”

    126. NYCmike says:

      Yes, almost forgot, thanks to jason for reminding me….

      Wes, very sorry about your cat.

      I have had to make such a judgment on both a cat and a dog in the last 15 years. It is a tough thing to do, I pray it was the right one.

    127. jason says:

      Thankfully, both of you simply expressed your opinion and that was that, as opposed to an A-Hole acting like an a-hole.

      jason, If you are correct, it is rather odd that we would need this amendment…….”

      So you think the Constitution “enshrined slavery”? My objection is to that wording.

      As pointed out above, the “3/5ths” compromise was a representation issue, it was not about “enshrining slavery”. There is no clause in the constitution that does that.

      At most you can say that the Constitution did not specifically prohibit the practice, although it addressed the slave trade.

      And here is what ‘evil slave owner” President Thomas Jefferson said about the slave trade prior to Art. 1 expiring in 1808.

      “I congratulate you, fellow-citizens, on the approach of the period at which you may interpose your authority constitutionally to withdraw the citizens of the United States from all further participation in those violations of human rights which have been so long continued on the unoffending inhabitants of Africa, and which the morality, the reputation, and the best interests of our country have long been eager to proscribe.”

    128. NYCmike says:

      #129 – Much better!

      Stated an opinion with actual reasons for having that opinion!

      B R A V O ! !

      Personally, I do agree more with you and corleone, that the word “enshrine” is not the correct word to use, but the simple fact that the 13th Amendment was passed gives some credence to the point that Tgca was making.

    129. Bitterlaw says:

      Go read 117. Then read it again. I answered your question. Then GFY.

    130. jason says:

      oh God, now NYC is going to be looking at everything from all sides?

      Wokiness is truly a disease.

      ‘but the simple fact that the 13th Amendment was passed gives some credence to the point that Tgca was making.”

      Not really. He is wrong about it being ‘enshrined”.

      And he is wrong about the Founding Fathers being “evil” and the fake equivalency with the Confederacy.

    131. Tgca says:

      I think we all agree slavery was just as wrong in 300BC, 1776AD, 1787AD, 1860AD as it is in 2021.

      My point is slavery was never right but we live in vastly different times now and to selectively condemn some for the practice of slavery and not others is poppycock!

      The Founding Fathers should be held just in as much contempt for slavery as the southerers that stuck to that ideology. There was not an incredible advancement in intelligence and morals in 80 years to excuse one group over the other.

      …and again, I strongly believe had the Civil War broke out in the late 1700s instead of mid 1800s, my guess is that Washington and Jefferson, southerners, would have joined their states in rebellion against a United States because tje Founding Fathers knew that slavery was off the table in establishing the and that’s why the effects of it are in the Constitution.

      The supposedly educated class and aristocrats of the time, the ones you would expect most to look to for moral guidance and authority are the ones who not only created slavery but whole-heartedly endorsed it for hundreds of years. Very few were against it. Whether it was slaves of blacks or any other groups around the world, depending on the times.

      I would hate to say this but the vast majority, if not all of us at HHR would probably have endorsed slavery if we were living in the 1600 to at least early to mid 1800s as well.

    132. Tgca says:

      Fine. If you guys don’t like the word “enshrine,” then substitute it as you see fit with other word(s). This is not a debate of semantics.

      The Constitution was specifically designed to exclude slaves and free men from citizenry, and even in a significant SCOTUS decision, the vast majority of the justices agreed blacks were not meant to be citizens or treated the same as free men.

      Split hairs all you want but we all know what the intent was and there is lots of historical documentation on that period that relates slavery was off the table as an issue in starting the United States or we would never had UNITED states but instead many separate countries.

    133. Tgca says:

      132

      ATTENTION! ATTENTION!

      Bitter concedes Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin were EVIL men just like those EVIL southern slave owners who foolishly resisted abolishing slavery.

      The question is will Bitter now call for removal of the likeness of Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin from the public landscape since they represent EVIL.

      Personally, I take the French approach to history in this single instance, I agree, good or bad, many of these men played an important role in our history and success of a United States so we should not erase history of them but instead document and learn from it.

      Otherwise, Philly is going to free up a lot of space soon as we remove all historical relics related to these EVIL men…and clearly, we will need to rename the Capitol and at least one state, not to mention numerous other public and private spaces and institutions.

    134. Tgca says:

      …and further, I am most definitely sure that Jadon would be a slave owner if he lived in that time so he could farm more pigs for slaughter to fill his dinner table and big belly.

      I am also certain Bitter would have been a slave owner too so as to mine the coca plant for cocaine so he could make his homemade Coca-cola.

      …and of course Bitter would have tried to be somewhat of a do-gooder to make up for his EVIL deeds by coaching slave teams too…

      …but would he beat them when his coaching skills failed and the teams lost incessantly?

    135. Tgca says:

      LisaB to say Bitter would never have been successful enough to own slaves in 3, 2, 1

    136. Tgca says:

      Woke Joint Chiefs General Milley’s new portrait

      https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/milley.jpg

    137. Bitterlaw says:

      Zzzzzzzzzzzz. I have never called for the removal of any statues or renaming anything.

      It is good to know that Tgclown does not believe that owning, raping, breaking up families and working people to death was evil in his eyes. That says a lot about him.

    138. Bitterlaw says:

      Lisab’s posts are irrelevant. I don’t place any stock in what socialists who are part of the leadership of a union pushing critical race theory say. I only read her posts hoping that she will say something bad happened to her.

    139. Tgca says:

      141

      Yo whiney losah!

      Contrary, I made my message clear from Day 1. I was against ALL slavery by ALL.

      That is not your position it appears.

      You excused slavery by some. You are against only southern slave owners but coddle up to the Founding Father slave owners.

      You’re the one in this thread forced to acknowledge Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin are just as EVIL as southern slave owners but you still love visiting historical landmarks honoring them in the filthy city of Philly.

      So who looks like the moron?

    140. Tgca says:

      142

      Well maybe something bad will happen to you 1st…and then we can listen to you whine about it in 1,000+ posts and why you are indifferent to life, how no one at HHR has had their character attacked more, the military would not accept you for being unfit…blah blah blah.

      Now where’s that finger violin?

    141. Bitterlaw says:

      Contrary, I made my message clear from Day 1. I was against ALL slavery by ALL.

      Tgclown’s “clear” message was that slavery was:

      I think we all agree slavery was just as wrong

      My point is slavery was never right

      Where is his “clear” message that it was evil? He uses “never right” and “wrong.”

      While I do not believe in redemption, at least Franklin became an abolitionist. Unlike Tgca’s heroes. It’s too bad Adams lost to Jefferson or the scumbag rapist could have been known only for the Declaration but become otherwise unimportant afterwards.

    142. Bitterlaw says:

      how no one at HHR has had their character attacked more

      Name another poster who has been called a mentally ill failure, terrible husband, terrible father, terrible lawyer, unfit to be elected, etc. That does not include Tgclown’s stupid posts about inappropriate relationships with children.

    143. Bitterlaw says:

      Well maybe something bad will happen to you 1st

      Put it on my tab.

    144. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgclown posts all day every day to get attention. He tries to stip up every fight possible to have something to do when he is not busy texting his 2 friends.

    145. Tgca says:

      146

      Why are you blaming folks at HHR for these things called to you by your family and friends and the good folks of Radnor, PA?

      Stop your whining Bish!

    146. Bitterlaw says:

      Why are you blaming folks at HHR for these things called to you by your family and friends and the good folks of Radnor, PA?

      Zzzzzzzzzz.

    147. Bitterlaw says:

      I’m going to dinner with my family. I hope that Tgca’s 2 friends will call him during his dinner of cardboard so he can feel he has a full life.

    148. Tgca says:

      145

      Argument over semantics again. Clearly when someone strongly opposes slavery and says its wrong, in that context they’re not endorsing it as “not so bad.”

      I could not imagine anyone would ever think enslaving folks was just wrong but not evil. Of course it was evil, just like murder, rape, and ABORTION is evil.

      Do you attack folks for criminalizing rape but not also noting it is evil?

      Do you tell people you know who support ABORTION they are EVIL?

      Is that what you want of folks for now on to state not only if something is wrong or abhorrent but they must qualify it as evil or not too?

      Perhaps you can extend us the courtesy and admit your being woke is EVIL too since wokeness is hellbent on destroying our country and people that don’t agree with its ideology.

      Will you admit woke is a culture of EVIL?

      …or will you footsy around it like you did Senator Menendez for years so you can justify drinking Coke and watching woke sports?

    149. Tgca says:

      Actually, I have dinner plans tonight that were made a few hours ago.

      Jealous? No adult friends for you to have dinner with? Awww…

      Oh…I forgot to tell you, I got texts from like 5 people this week from around not only the US, but two outside the US.

      Did you get any Snapchat’s from your entourage today?

    150. Gordon Allen says:

      Probable Israeli drone strike against Iranian centrifuge facility.
      I think the Israelis have decided they’re on their own re Iran because of Biden, and will stop them from getting usable nuclear capability no matter what.
      Good thing we’re free of mean tweets! Whew!

    151. Bitterlaw says:

      Poor Tgclown. No family to have dinner with.

    152. lisab says:

      Stop your whining Bish!
      ————————

      a grateful nation can only hope

    153. Bitterlaw says:

      Anything bad happen to you today? Brighten my day.

    154. lisab says:

      LisaB to say Bitter would never have been successful enough to own slaves in 3, 2, 1
      —————————

      obviously his wife would have been the bread winner on the plantation

    155. NYCmike says:

      Bitterlaw,

      Enjoy dinner!

      Please stop, the 2 of you!

    156. jason says:

      nd again, I strongly believe had the Civil War broke out in the late 1700s instead of mid 1800s, my guess is that Washington and Jefferson, southerners, would have joined their states in rebellion against a United States”

      Zzzzzzz…

      Thomas Jefferson, 1806:

      “I congratulate you, fellow-citizens, on the approach of the period at which you may interpose your authority constitutionally to withdraw the citizens of the United States from all further participation in those violations of human rights which have been so long continued on the unoffending inhabitants of Africa, and which the morality, the reputation, and the best interests of our country have long been eager to proscribe.”

    157. lisab says:

      sorry about your cat wes

      my condolences

    158. jason says:

      We should keep a record of all the excuses Tgca has made for slavery.

      The real howler today is that it was ok for the South to launch a civil war in defense of slavery in 1860 that killed about 700k people and destroyed large part of the country because some of the “evil” founding fathers owned slaves in 1776.

      Like I said, the slavery apologists are going to need a much better debater than Tgca.

    159. Phil says:

      The country is in trouble now, and it doesn’t have a damned thing to do with slavery.

      It was settled 160 years ago. I don’t give a sh*t about slavery. Why? Because it hasn’t existed for decades and decades. Here’s a thought. Maybe we ought to try and move on.

    160. lisab says:

      The country is in trouble now
      —————————————-

      maybe we should vote for people who have records of success in leading the country

      as opposed to whiny failures

    161. Bitterlaw says:

      Lisab is so successful that she quits her job every 2 years to follow her husband. At least she is part of the union leadership pushing critical race theory.

    162. Bitterlaw says:

      Nothing to brighten my day, socialist? A bad biopsy? Unexplained headaches? Bleeding gums? I just want bad things for you. Don’t disappoint.

    163. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes – Don”t be too moved by the condolences of lisab and her crippled sidekick. They pretended to express sympathy towards me last year. It was just an act. Their true nature and viciousness is on display now.

    164. lisab says:

      we were very sympathetic at the time

      somehow I don’t think wes is going to bring up his cat every week for the next year so people feel sorry for … HIM

    165. Bitterlaw says:

      While I hope nothing but the worst for you, I would not wish that on you.

    166. lisab says:

      bad things happen to everyone

      most of us just don’t try to use tragedies to get sympathy

    167. Bitterlaw says:

      I never asked for sympathy. I would not want it. Not from you or anybody. If you honestly think that I would use this never ending nightmare to my benefit, you truly are deranged. Hating you becomes easier every post you make. Despite that, I would not wish this nightmare on even you.

    168. lisab says:

      you constantly whine for sympathy

      it is your defining characteristic

    169. Tgca says:

      Jadon

      I’m not apologist for slavery. I’ve made it clear I would never support it under any circumstance.

      But for one nameless person here to excuse some and not others and use that as his hateful bigotry towards the south is what I debate him on to point out his southern bigotry.

      I do not agree or support the woke culture like Bitter and I did not believe we should rewrite history. Our history is our history. We take the good with the bad but to excuse Jefferson, by far the largest slave owner who had sexual relationships with at least one of his slaves and probably not by her choice, is the height of hypocrisy.

      That has always been my issue with Bitter on slavery, and I bet given these set of facts, most people would agree, hence, the reason woke folks are trying to undo all the other good the Founding Fathers did.

      For the record, Jefferson did talk about evils of slavery but still kept them his entire life, accumulating up to 600 in all his properties over time. Jefferson talk the talked but did not walk it. I’ve read some history where he had a myriad excuses of why he did not free them including them not being able to make it on their own after bondage.

    170. Bitterlaw says:

      Sympathy? In this pit of vipers? I’m done with you before I type what I really should not.

    171. Tgca says:

      171

      Bitter has nightmares now?

      He doesn’t wish nightmares on LisaB but he wishes her bad biopsies which is translation for wishing her cancer.

      He doesn’t state what stage cancer he wishes it to be though. Maybe he can elaborate.

      DRAAAAAAAAAMA!

    172. lisab says:

      i had an uncle, who used to play catch with me. very sweet guy.

      he was an artillery man with the marines of the 1st marine division on okinowa

      5 years later got called back up, went with the marines to the frozen chosin

      while i am sure his experiences were horrific on both occasions

      the only reason i know this is because ONCE, in the late evening, the men of my family were sitting around drinking scotch at a new year’s party and started to reminisce about their war time experiences. to a man they all spoke fondly about their comrades, and some amusing incident that happened with them. often in boot camp.

      my uncle thought it was hilarious when he got called up and his serjeant handed him a rifle, and he and his guys were looking at it like, “what the hell is this?”, because they were artillerymen. none of the men spoke of combat, or the friends they lost, or what horrible experiences they went through. all spoke highly positively … and my cousines and i were all amazed because we never knew anything about their military experiences.

      i have remembered that story for thirty years …

      truly the greatest generation

      be more like them.

    173. Bitterlaw says:

      Pure lies. Where did I excuse Jefferson? Reread the posts on this thread alone, you moron. I have said for years that he was a child rapist. As for history, you twist it to justify what can’t be justified. Jefferson was like many slave owners and supported the end of importing slaves. The end of importing slaves increased the value of the slaves they held. He sold human beings to pay his debts.

    174. Tgca says:

      One of my new fish died yesterday after 3 days of struggling. Evidently she did not adapt to the new environment and a faulty filter system that resulted in me returning the fish tank to the store today.

      Unfortunately, fish get stressed very easily and that can severely weaken their immune systems and expose them to disease they could otherwise stave off. It is not uncommon for 10% to 20% of fish to die off when exposed to new environments, especially if they traveled from overseas in very crowded poor quality conditions.

      I’m not going to post 1,000 posts about it though.

      She was a beautifully colorful and curious friendly gal the 1st few days. Then on the 3rd day I noticed the filter was malfunction and making horrible grinding noises and filling foam in the tank. It probably freaked her out and I was out and about so this could have been going on for hours. She immediately became timid, hiding in the tank, after that and would not eat. We suspect she developed dropsy from it which fish rarely survive.

      I should sue the manufacturer for pain and suffering.

    175. lisab says:

      waaaaaaaaah … a school teacher was mean to me … told me to grow a pair … waaaaaaaah …

      I seriously thought robbie was a pathetic loser, he’s got nothing on you

    176. Bitterlaw says:

      I wish I had actual nightmares. They only come at night. What ifs are everyday?

    177. Bitterlaw says:

      You compare my niece to a fish? You truly are scum.

    178. Tgca says:

      155

      I had a wonderful dinner with my friend Bitter. Thanks for checking in on that.

      I don’t let your mocking my family life bother me though because at least I have others to have dinner with, whereas you family has dinner with you out of OBLIGATION not enjoyment because like us, they know you have no friends.

      Sorry! But the garbage men waving to you are just being polite. They’re really not your friend.

      I’m sure pizza parties with your entourage after another lost game due to your poor coaching is a nice gesture to pick up their spirits and the least you could do, and it’s a form of socializing but it’s not the same as having dinner with real adult friends.

      By the way, did your wife pick up the dinner check or did you insist you all go Dutch again?

    179. jason says:

      I like fish myself.

      Smoked is best.

    180. jason says:

      The lisab vs. bitter fight is boring.

      Mostly because I don’t have a dog in it.

    181. jason says:

      I seriously thought robbie was a pathetic loser, he’s got nothing on you”

      Ok, ok, that is worth something.

    182. Bitterlaw says:

      Your contempt is a badge of honor to me.

    183. lisab says:

      What ifs are everyday?
      ———————–

      yeah … that is why radnor is known as the north monroe st. of pennsylvania

      every day is just a nightmare …

      oh wait …

    184. lisab says:

      The lisab vs. bitter fight is boring.
      ————–

      it isn’t a fight … just my observations

    185. lisab says:

      By the way, did your wife pick up the dinner check or did you insist you all go Dutch again?
      ———————

      i think we all know the answer to that one

    186. Tgca says:

      178

      Are we talking about your niece again tonight. Did I miss a post? I did not see where you were posting about that. I can’t keep up with all your drama.

      I’m referring to your drama in general on posting 1,000 posts on…well…anything and everything in your life that you feel your a victim of.

      Besides, honestly, loss is a personal thing generally unless it’s on a mass scale. I doubt anyone here would spend much time thinking of your personal loss or mine or anyone elses.

      Folks are being polite and respectful in the moment to wish condolences but they’re not fixated on anyone else’s loss. Unfortunately, that is human nature.

      If my neighbor’s mom dies. I feel bad and offer condolences but it doesn’t consume me thereafter. Sorry! Same with your niece here. Loss is very Unfortunate and we paid our respects. No need for us to pay them over and over and over.

    187. lisab says:

      I’m referring to your drama in general on posting 1,000 posts on…well…anything and everything in your life that you feel your a victim of.
      ————————————–

      that is EVERYTHING in his life …

    188. Bitterlaw says:

      I don’t prey on children. Tell us some more of your heartwarming stories about kindly older men in your youth.

      Keep pretending you are not alone. Maybe you will believe it.

    189. Tgca says:

      183

      Ha! Ha! Jadon

      I knew you would say something characteristically obnoxious about fish being food.

      Damn! I got you pegged Bish!

      Honestly, I was gonna post it yesterday because I kept checking on her through the night to see if she would bounce back from medications I put in the tank but she passed sometime between like 4AM and 7AM.

      I decided not to post after Wes posted about his cat because I did not want him to think I was trying to be funny. I can relate to losing an animal after having one for nearly 2 decades.

    190. lisab says:

      well i’m going for a walk …

      so this would be a great time to tell us about how you didn’t get the present you wanted for your 7th birthday

      and how you still relive it

      in 1000 posts

    191. Tgca says:

      New thwed bishes!

      New thwed i thay!

    192. Bitterlaw says:

      Lying POS. It was very clear what I was referring to. You chose to compare that to the death of your fish. Maybe Jason will pretend that is not what you were saying.

      I don’t expect you to feel my loss or even care about it. But it NEVER leaves me. NEVER. Do you ever think about your brother? If you did, even though you are scum, I would not condemn you for it. I would leave you to your grief.

    193. Annie says:

      Gang, I really don’t understand why any Republican would choose to villainize Trump. That’s why I became an Indie long ago.