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    DeSantis Leads GOP Presidential Field Without Trump

    The latest poll from McLaughlin and Associates shows the Republican nomination is Donald Trump’s if he wants it as he hits 54% in the GOP field. Without him, Ron DeSantis continues to lead the GOP field with Donald Trump’s is now in second place.

    PRESIDENT – NATIONAL – GOP PRIMARY (McLaughlin and Associates)
    Ron DeSantis 23%
    Donald Trump Jr 12%
    Mike Pence 11%
    Ted Cruz 9%
    Candace Owens 6%
    Ivanka Trump 5%
    Mitt Romney 4%
    Nikki Haley 4%
    Marco Rubio 4%
    Kristi Noem 2%
    Mike Pompeo 2%
    Liz Cheney 1%
    Tim Scott 1%
    Tom Cotton 1%
    John Kasich 1%
    Rick Scott 0%

    This poll was done July 29-August 3 among 467 likely primary voters.

    Posted by Dave at 10:30 pm
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    347 Responses to “DeSantis Leads GOP Presidential Field Without Trump”

    1. Tgca says:

      Uno Bebe! Uno!

    2. Bitterlaw says:

      Anybody I don’t hate want to discuss ABORTION?

    3. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      I would have been first, but just finished eating two big, delicious New York steaks.

    4. Tgca says:

      I just had a tasty delicious 100 calorie mung bean egg snack.

      Yummee!!!

    5. jason says:

      Dung bean snack?

      Yuck.

    6. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Actually Jason, mung beans can be very good in Chinese food. Here is one of my favorite dishes: Stir fried beef with mung bean sprouts

    7. lisab says:

      Actually Jason, mung beans can be very good in Chinese food.
      ————————–

      if the chinese want to eat mung beans, that is their choice

    8. jason says:

      I will stick with the New York steaks, thanks.

    9. lisab says:

      so anyone else the radnor school board meeting tonight?

    10. lisab says:

      oh … just me … well

      you will be glad to know that radnor is making sure that students who are not just pregnant, but “parenting” have extra time … for absences …

      or between classes to pump breast milk

      and i’m sure you understand this applies to male students who have a child … they get time off now too …

      and here is the best part …

      including if they adopt …

      you know … when a 16 year old student adopts, they need that bonding time

      well i’m sure bitter will fill us in … oh wait … he didn’t actually bother to go

    11. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      The McLaughlin General Survey of Likely Voters has come out for August. It was done July 29 – August 3, 2021. Definite worth a read; among the results:
      2024 Presidential Election:
      Donald Trump 49%
      Kamala Harris 46%
      (Definitely will vote: Trump 41%, Harris 36%)

      Republicans who would support Trump: 82% versus 15% who would oppose
      Republicans who want to see Trump run again: Yes 66%; No 22%

      U.S Congress Generic Ballot:
      48% Republican
      46% Democratic

      Biden Job Approval: 54% Approve, 45% Disapprove
      Biden Favorability Rating: 52% Favorable; 47% Unfavorable

      Kamala Harris Favorability Rating: 47% Favorable, 48% Unfavorable

      Nancy Pelosi Favorability Rating: 38% Favorable ; 55% Unfavorable

      Economic Preference: Free Market Capitalism 59%; Socialism 16%
      U.S. Economy: Getting Worse 49%; Getting Better 44%
      Current Opinion of the Economy: In Recession 50%; Not in Recession 43%

      https://mclaughlinonline.com/2021/08/10/ma-poll-national-monthly-august-2021/

    12. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      10. Lisab don’t you have better things to do?

    13. SoHope says:

      Our fugitives have been on the run for few weeks. Average foot speed over uneven ground, barring injury, is 4 miles an hour which gives us a radius of 3000 miles! What I want out of each and every one of you is a hard target search of every gas station, residence, warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse and doghouse in that area.

      https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-texas-house-speaker-signs-52-arrest-warrants-for-absent-democrat-lawmakers

    14. jason says:

      Will Texas House Dem sanctuary cities start popping up?

    15. jason says:

      Kamala Harris Favorability Rating: 47% Favorable, 48% Unfavorable”

      BS

    16. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      The Weekly YouGov/ Economist Tracking Poll this week has Biden’s approval/ disapproval with Registered Voters at 47/45, respectively. The PID is D+7.

    17. Phil says:

      Biden job approval.

      54%

      Inflation
      Crime Rampant
      Covid messaging all over the place
      Biden has erased the border

      ..and this drooling senile joke is at 54%.

      One party governance as far as the eye can see. It’s over for the Republican Party nationally…..and watching our Republicans in the Senate, it ought to be. Screw em.

      At least I live in Texas so they can’t shove their leftist agenda down our throats like you poor folks in California or Pennsylvania. We still control our agenda on taxes, spending, guns, voting laws, etc. the rest of you, well, good luck. RIP

    18. jason says:

      No worries Phil.

      Just vote GOP in the next election and everything will be back to normal.

      I read here at HHR that these ups and downs happen but so there is no need for concern.

    19. jason says:

      Inflation
      Crime Rampant
      Covid messaging all over the place
      Biden has erased the border

      ..and this drooling senile joke is at 54%. ”

      I also read here that it doesn’t matter that the hard left controls 98% of the MSM.

      I read here where the MSM messaging is “failing” because Biden is “only” at 54%.

    20. jason says:

      gas station, residence, warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse and doghouse in that area.”

      Shhhh…. but check the cat houses too….

    21. Phil says:

      Yeah, I find it laughable that some on here who ought to know better think if Republicans somehow take control of the House in the midterms everything will be back to “normal”. Lol.

      Delusion.

      Yeah, and there wasn’t anything off about the vote counting in Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Pennsylvania….and the stranglehold the Leftist MSM has on the flow of information isn’t all that significant. Naw. Biden at 54% blows that up.

      Wake up. Or maybe don’t wake up. Sleep through reality. That’s one way of coping. Lol

    22. jason says:

      Amoral Scumbag has been here 5 times or so in the last couple months to attack Fauci and ask how many medals I would give him.

      But let’s see how many times he has been here to:

      1) Mention the bad polling for Biden – 0
      2) Anything critical of Biden’s agenda – 0
      3) Any mention of Biden’s cognitive decline – 0
      4) Comment on the woke and cancel culture – 0
      5) Defunding of police? – 0
      6) Some admission that saying the “airline industry would never come back” was stupid – 0

      Remember the days Amoral Scumbag would rush here with every negative poll on Trump and every MSM “scandal” and every MSM headline attacking Trump.

      The good ole days when some moron psychologist who said Trump was mentally impaired would be aa hero to Amoral Scumbag? Michael Avenatti was the knight on the white horse? Michael Cohen would be the downfall of Trump? Stormy Daniels was the paragon of virtue?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3KEhWTnWvE

    23. Phil says:

      The fiasco of the Runaway Texas Democrats is about over.

      The Texas Supreme Court says it is.

    24. jason says:

      Phil, soon somebody from the Ostrich Brigade or the Sergeant Schultz Ensemble will be here to say were are prophets of doom.

    25. Tgca says:

      Trump’s gay surgeon general Adams says “DeSantis Mask Mandate Ban Is ‘Unconscionable”

      He feels DeSantis should not let his personal perception of the mask controversy dictate policy across the state, and he encourages folks to get vaccinated.

      He also comments on quality of healthcare minorities are receiving and the distrust minorities have in certain hospitals that have more white representation and feels that distrust is partly because the staff of those hospitals look different than the minorities so they then go to hospitals that are more representative of with minority staffing but may have less quality of care.

      Finally, he notes minority frequented hospitals do not get the same level of funding that these so called more privileged hospitals get which account for differences in quality of care.

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/08/10/trump-admin-surgeon-general-adams-desantis-mask-mandates-ban-letting-politics-get-in-the-way-of-protecting-our-youth/

    26. Phil says:

      I was thinking the same thing about our friend Robbie just the other day. Once Trump left the WH he doesn’t have a damned thing to say about the leftist agenda being dictated by Biden. Nada. Crickets. Oh, but he’s a Republican. He said so. Time and again. Just like Corey claims he’s a “conservative”. Riiiiiight! Two useless frauds.

    27. jason says:

      Breaking news:

      “The White House is considering neutering Florida Gov. DeSantis”

    28. jason says:

      Huh sorry, here is the whole headline:

      “The White House is considering neutering Florida Gov. DeSantis’ ban on school mask requirements”

    29. jason says:

      so anyone else the radnor school board meeting tonight?”

      Bitter wanted to go, but his cat threw up on the couch so he had to stay home to clean it.

      He was there in spirit however.

    30. Tgca says:

      Ok. I can’t let the gay surgeon general under Trump make broad statements without challenging him on some of his reasoning supporting his conclusions.

      If a minority chooses to only to seek healthcare from someone who looks like them, that is both ignorance for not educating yourself on quality of healthcare and quite frankly, racist. One should choose their healthcare based on expertise and reputation over comfort if they wish the best outcome but that is a personal choice folks.

      However, I understand why some people do that, whether it be cultural or language barriers, but I don’t think you can blame that on society in general.

      For example, a gay middle-aged man told me a few years back that he only sees gay male doctors because he wants to be comfortable discussing any medical issues without judgment and feels they will better understand him as a person and better treat him.

      I understand the judgment part, since doctors, like all other professions, may come from different cultural or demographic backgrounds and not always relate as well to others different from them. It doesn’t always mean these doctors are judgmental, it could also be that they are just uncomfortable with certain details that gay male may perceive as judgmental.

      Again, I would opine that healthcare choices are often a personal choice so if you choose to see a doctor who makes you feel comfortable, that is your right but you may not get the best qualified care either, and you should not blame that on society.

      In reality though, people will make healthcare choices on their perceptions and that is normal. For example, many women have no problem seeing male doctors because traditionally they were exposed to that growing up. However, I would bet many men would feel uncomfortable having a female urologist or proctologist examining them, driven mainly by our culture experience…and I’m sure for the 80% of those on this site who are not LGBTQIA2S+, there are some perverts who would love having a female urologist or proctologist…but I digress.

      So I think it’s wrong to blame society if folks are choosing healthcare because someone better looks or sounds like them. That is often a personal choice and depending on where you live, there may not be enough doctors who look and sound like you available in the 1st place so again, don’t blame society for that.

    31. Tgca says:

      I would also challenge Trump’s gay surgeon general about hospital quality. I totally agree some hospitals are better than others and some are in nicer areas that attract less minorities simply due to location if poorer minorities have a closer medical resource to use.

      If there is a funding problem, then that is generally a gubbermint issue that should not be blamed on local communities because gubbermint often control the purse strings of where money goes.

      Also, from my experience, some of the best hospitals are in large cities with vast resources and highly rated doctors who service those communities. I know that in the big city hospitals I’ve been at, there is not only a good mixture of minority staffing but many of the patients are minorities.

      Now whether minorities are getting the same level of attentive care in those facilities may be debatable based on a number of factors but I do not think it fair to brush broad statements like the gay surgeon general did.

      Often these issues arise because of gubbermint leadership. For example, Newark has been given tremendous funding for education and healthcare over the years but that in itself has not necessarily improved quality so it’s not always about funding but can also be how funding is managed and how people make personal choices on their healthcare or are educated to do so.

    32. Tgca says:

      Ok. I’m done with trying to de-victimize Trump’s gay surgeon general.

    33. Tgca says:

      28

      I’m not sure how a presidential executive order can override a state law involving state matters so DeSantis could just ignore Biden’s EO on masks. I recall reading SCOTUS shot down Obama on a number of these EO, more than any other POTUS.

    34. lisab says:

      so anyone else the radnor school board meeting tonight?

      “Lisab don’t you have better things to do?” sdc
      ————————————————–

      better than mocking bitterlaw?

      not until labor day …

      plus a girl has to have a hobby … and …

      i’m a multi-tasker 🙂

    35. lisab says:

      Yeah, I find it laughable that some on here who ought to know better think if Republicans somehow take control of the House in the midterms everything will be back to “normal”. Lol.
      ———————————————

      bitter doesn’t respect your views now as a candidate …

      do you think he’d listen to you if he wins?

      both parties want open borders, to shrink the middle class, and to pad their offshore bank accounts

      trump’s wealth was in real estate, his wealth depends on people in the usa having money to spend

    36. Tgca says:

      Love it!

      BLM Antifa rioter gets 9 years in prison for his arsonist activities during the riots and gets convicted with the help of his own videos bragging about his deeds.

      I hope he gets to share a cell with biggest, meanest, most endowed, horniest prisoner.

      Convicted #BLM arsonist Matthew Lee Rupert drove more than 400 miles from Illinois to riot in Minneapolis on 28 May, 2020. In addition to handing out shell explosives to rioters, he doused lighter fluid over a pile of boxes inside a store & set it on fire.

      I lit it on fire!” Rupert reportedly yelled as he ran away from the store.

      “We come to riot, boy!” he’s heard exclaiming via livestream. “I’ve got some bombs if some of you all want to throw them back.”

      https://www.lawofficer.com/minneapolis-rioter-matthew-rupert-receives-9-year-prison-sentence/

    37. jason says:

      Bitter has reaped what he sowed for mocking those opposed to woke culture.

      No free lunch.

    38. jason says:

      The “most important” step Americans should take to prepare for peak hurricane season is to get vaccinated against COVID-19 in case they have to evacuate, the White House said Tuesday.”

      Boarding up the windows is so passé…..

    39. lisab says:

      Bitter has reaped what he sowed for mocking those opposed to woke culture.
      ——————————-

      well you will be happy to know that radnor is very concerned that public school students

      ** that adopt **

      have enough time to engage in “parenting”

    40. jason says:

      Is it racist to say this BLM rioter is white and from out of state and let’s see if this same standard is applied to other rioters?

      Probably.

      Sigh….

    41. lisab says:

      Is it racist to say this BLM rioter is white
      —————-

      how do you know which race he self-identifies as?

    42. lisab says:

      Atlanta School Principal Under Fire for Racially Segregating Classrooms
      —————————–

      An Atlanta elementary school principal segregated its students based on race and one mom isn’t having it….

      “Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 says that you cannot treat one group of people differently based upon race, and that is what is going on at Mary Lin,” Shields said.

      The mother protested the policy last year when she found out the school would be putting Black students into two different classrooms with two different teachers and white students into six classrooms with six different teachers.

      “First, it was just disbelief that I was having this conversation in 2020 with a person that looks just like me—a Black woman,” Posey said. “It’s segregating classrooms. You cannot segregate classrooms. You can’t do it.”

      Posey, who serves as vice president for the parent teacher association, first learned of the policy after she contacted Briscoe to request classroom change for her daughter. She wanted her in a specific class with a specific teacher. According to Posey, Briscoe told her that wouldn’t work because that teacher’s classroom was for Black students.

    43. Cash Cow TM says:

      AOL is back to normal
      16 out of 46 top news stories are COVID-related (34%).
      ######################################
      DRUDGE COVID-related stories falls to just 7.
      DRUDGE will be in BIG trouble with those authorities “in power”.

      When Cow called them, DRUDGE officials responded that they are too busy sending off their crack reporters to follow and report on all the other various crises and write doom and gloom stories on before they are dispatched to the next bunch of media hyped crises designed to scare the pants off everyone.

      DRUDGE said it is up to the public to actually research and find the facts on the assembly line of crises. Their reporters do not have time to examine things in depth.

    44. NYCmike says:

      Reposting this, with the hope that all of the “smart people of HHR” could enlighten me:

      NYCmike says:
      August 10, 2021 at 4:09 pm

      The state-wide mandates by DeSantis and Abbott to not allow local authorities to set their own mask rules……..I don’t understand why they would try to exert that control.

      What is the reasoning for giving statewide mandates?

      I don’t see how that is a winner from a political standpoint.

    45. jason says:

      What is the reasoning for giving statewide mandates?”

      Wrong premise.

      The idea behind this law (not mandate) is to stop woke school boards from harming the children by imposing mask mandates.

      It is not a “statewide mandate” at all.

    46. jason says:

      And btw, another reason why it is not a “statewide mandate” is that nothing keeps children from wearing masks if their parents want them to.

      A “mandate” would require them NOT to wear masks.

    47. jason says:

      Another question: why is Senator Todd Young doing this?”

      I think they call it the Stockholm Syndrome.

    48. NYCmike says:

      jason,

      Not sure I understand your point.

      They sent out mandates that local mask mandates are illegal. Isn’t that correct?

      This makes for a confrontation with those woke localities.

      My question: Is that confrontation a political winner? If so, how?

      If that locality doesn’t want mask mandates, they will have the opportunity to vote out their mayor, councilperson, school board member, etc.

      If they want it, then allow them that freedom.

    49. jason says:

      I don’t understand why they would try to exert that control.”

      Why would you give the local school boards that kind of control when you know their decisions are not based on any kind of fact or science but are entirely due to woke culture and politics?

    50. jason says:

      They sent out mandates that local mask mandates are illegal. Isn’t that correct?”

      Ahh, the goal posts moved.

      We went from DeSantis and Abbott imposing “statewide mandates” to admitting there is a law passed that keeps local school boards from imposing mask mandates, which is entirely a different proposition.

      And who cares if it is a “political winner” or not let’s think about the children being used as political pawns and being forced to wear masks against their will and their parent’s will.

      Personally, however, I think it is both a political winner AND a winning policy for the children.

      Win-win.

    51. NYCmike says:

      #47 – right now, because of a statewide mandate to NOT ALLOW LOCAL MASK MANDATES, leaders in certain localities are confronting the Governor and doing the opposite of what the Governors want.

      How is this situation a political winner for Republicans?

      Why not just say “we will not mandate masks from the state capitol. If your local officials call for mandates, it is up to the local voters to abide or vote them out.”??

    52. jason says:

      If they want it, then allow them that freedom.”

      What freedom?

      Since when is mask wearing any kind of freedom?

      You must mean allow them to impose draconian and unnecessary mask mandates on children for political reasons?

      That is not “freedom”.

    53. NYCmike says:

      “Why would you give the local school boards that kind of control when you know their decisions are not based on any kind of fact or science but are entirely due to woke culture and politics?”

      -I’m not giving them that control.

      The voters in that area gave it to them, and they can take it away.

    54. jason says:

      t is up to the local voters to abide or vote them out.”??”

      What a brilliant idea.

      Let’s subject children to these unlawful and draconian measures NOW and for months to come, and maybe punish those responsible in a future election.

      Zzzzzzzz…..

    55. NYCmike says:

      Forget it.

      Either I am not asking the question in the correct manner, or you are misinterpreting why I am asking the question.

    56. jason says:

      The voters in that area gave it to them”

      Where?

      Who gave them the power to impose mask mandates?

    57. jason says:

      Either I am not asking the question in the correct manner, or you are misinterpreting why I am asking the question.”

      I don’t agree with your statement that this is a statewide mandate, that is incorrect.

      I don’t agree that the local school boards should have this kind of power, especially since there is a law to the contrary (not a mandate).

      I don’t agree that is is a political loser, but even if I did, I think we need to think of the children first.

    58. jason says:

      -I’m not giving them that control.”

      Sure you are.

      “Why not just say “we will not mandate masks from the state capitol.”

      It is exactly what they said.

      Anyone who wants to wear a mask is allowed to.

    59. Phil says:

      So Democrats legalizing illegals through reconciliation of the budget.

      Look, Jason. More normal.

    60. NYCmike says:

      https://lidblog.com/ted-cruz-dem-tactics/

      -EVERY Republican should be doing something like this!

      But, him and Senator Paul are just “showboats”.

    61. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      The RCP average for Biden’s approval is now 49.7%

      The August polls that have come out:
      Politico/Morning Consult 51% Approve, 44% Disapprove
      (down -4 from previous month)
      Rasmussen 48% Approve, 50% Disapprove
      Economist/YouGov 47% Approve 45% Disapprove
      Redfield/Wilton Strategies 48% Approve 36%

      August poll average now is 48.5%

      When are Rachel Maddow’s, and the liberal media’s, love paens going to stop Biden’s falling poll numbers? In the coming months see the Republicans reminding people how well the economy was doing under Trump, versus the clear economic disaster the Biden is leading us into. Leftist propaganda is not going to eclipse what is happening in the real world.

    62. Wes says:

      Hey, Mikey, maybe if Cruz had spent more time doing things like that and less reading Green eggs and Ham on the Senate floor during a hotly contested reelection bid, people would take him more seriously.

    63. lisab says:

      NYCMike,

      that teacher that is all over the news today crying while quitting her job over crt and other crap pushed by the school board, saying things like she is not allowed to voice dissent is

      political theatre

      but … is largely true. if a school board decides to mandate something, the teachers cannot say anything, in fact, they pretty much have to support the school

      perhaps in theory they could say something, but in reality teachers have to duck and cover unless the union is at odds with the school

      that is the reality

      the point being we would all be wearing masks and on zoom if the school boards in some cities had their way

    64. lisab says:

      i also completely understand your idea of just letting democracy decide, that is, let the cities vote out the school board

      but the reality is they won’t

      and the children’s education, which has already been pummeled over the last two years would suffer more

      that is the pragmatic answer …

    65. jason says:

      During a White House press conference, Press Secretary Jen Psaki began speaking about the advancements being made by the Taliban in Afghanistan and dropped this gem.

      “The Taliban also has to make an assessment about what they want their role to be in the international community,” she said.”

      I think they already answered that on 9/11.

    66. jason says:

      ut, him and Senator Paul are just “showboats”.

      Grandstanding ass, puhhhhleeze.

    67. Bitterlaw says:

      Miss me?

    68. GF says:

      69- Apparently, it’s been a Bitterfest for a while. I don’t know how you got everyone to keep their focus on you, but congrats!

    69. Wes says:

      Welcome back, GF. I’ve been silently observing your thoughtful posts on RRH.

    70. Bitterlaw says:

      Good to see you, GF.

    71. jason says:

      Talk about lies…

      “Joe Biden: Consumer price index showing prices again rising at fastest pace since 2008 is “a good monthly report”

    72. jason says:

      Miss me?”

      Who?

    73. Wes says:

      Inflation is one thing the media can’t cover for Biden on, Jason. People see that directly. Rightly or wrongly the President always takes a bit for it. Republicans have a number of issues to attack Biden on, the kitchen table ones being the most salient.

    74. Phil says:

      They can cover for it just fine, Wes. They can lie, spin numbers, and lie some more. The media has always had a leftist bias. The difference now? They out and out just lie….or if it’s something that will hurt Democrats they just don’t cover it. Hunter Biden says hi.

      It ain’t like it used to be. Jimmy Carter is sitting around saying to himself, “man, if only I had this media in 1980. That election would have been a lot closer”

    75. Wes says:

      Lying and spinning don’t help when people feel the pain directly. People have been losing faith in Biden consistently because of the series of problems and missteps the Administration has shown utter fecklessness in dealing with.

      Biden has dropped below 50% in the averages–a threshold you yourself told us the media would keep him at. In a polarized environment without Trump as a foil, Biden can’t hang onto his soft supporters with a consistent downward spiral on virtually all fronts.

      I’m not buying the doomcasting and statements of media omnipotence when objective evidence says otherwise.

    76. jason says:

      Republicans have a number of issues to attack Biden on, the kitchen table ones being the most salient.”

      The only problem is they don’t have any platform to attack him from.

    77. jason says:

      Video: Naked Hunter Biden Tells Prostitute Russians Stole One of His Laptops and Could Use for Blackmail”

      You can see this at Redstate.

      If this was Trump Jr. you would see it 24/7 on every MSM outlet.

    78. Wes says:

      You must have missed the ads the GOP has been beta testing recently in preparation for next year’s races, Jason. RRH is a sad place for commentary, but it has been a good place to get reports on preparations for the upcoming midterms.

    79. jason says:

      “doomcasting”

      Translation: stating the truth about left wing dominance of the entire MSM.

    80. jason says:

      You must have missed the ads the GOP has been beta testing”

      Zzzzzz….BFD.

      I am sure the Dems will have ads too. And more of them.

      And 99% of the coverage.

    81. jason says:

      Social media will refuse to air the GOP ads, probably a lot of the MSM will too.

      They will declare them “hate” or “false” or “divisive”.

      Anything the GOP promotes will be “fact checked” and deemed false.

      That is the reality we live in.

    82. jason says:

      A third of Americans now think we should defund the police.

      Tell me the MSM has no influence.

    83. Phil says:

      Trump lost three states that would have gotten him to 270 by a total of 40,000 votes. That is if you buy the vote count in those states as strictly legit which I don’t for a minute but I don’t want to get side tracked here. You want to tell me that bullsh*t lies from the lying media like “Undisclosed sources quoted Trump as saying servicemen killed in combat were losers” wasn’t good for 40k votes? How about a whole campaign of those kinds of lies?

      You better believe it made the difference. Don’t for one second poo poo significance of the MSM. This isn’t 1980 any more.

    84. Wes says:

      You’re failing to see there’s a difference between highlighting a scandal involving a third party and trying to cover up soaring consumer prices, Phil.

      Hunter Biden didn’t become a bigger story precisely because of a lack of media coverage, I’ll admit. Covering up an increase in gas and commodities prices people see on a daily basis is something else entirely.

      Polling says the exact opposite of what you’re saying by the way.

    85. Phil says:

      Wes, there isn’t a poster on this board that is as well versed on election trends and history as you are….but you are completely blind on the changes that have occurred in media coverage and it’s impact on public opinion. That you just gloss over it is puzzling to me. I don’t see how you can not see it. The evidence of the effect on public opinion is all around you.

    86. Wes says:

      Jason, federal law says media outlets can’t refuse to air ads paid for by a candidate for office, affiliated groups, or a political party. I saw plenty of Trump ads on TV last year, so I guess the media must have just slipped up and forgotten to blackball his ads.

    87. Wes says:

      How am I blind when I’ve explicitly pointed out media bias, Phil?

      I pointed out the difference between burying a scandal and trying to bury something people personally see on a daily basis. The media do have a significant influence, but they’re not omnipotent as you’re trying to claim.

    88. jason says:

      “NEW YORK — ABC, CBS and NBC have joined CNN in refusing to air an advertisement that lists President Donald Trump’s accomplishments during his administration’s first 100 days while blaming the “fake news” media for not reporting on them.

      A “fake news” graphic superimposed over the faces of news anchors was cited by CNN, ABC and NBC for not airing the ad. The networks contend that makes it inaccurate, and ABC said it represents a personal attack. CBS would not comment Friday on its reasons for the rejection.”

    89. Wes says:

      By the way, Phil, if the media are truly all-powerful and can keep Biden artificially popular despite the spare of problems in the country, why is Biden below 50% in his polling averages? You specifically told us that was impossible because of media interference.

    90. Phil says:

      Actually, what the MSM does is take those ads and then spend hour after hour discrediting them during their slanted news coverage especially if they believe the ads to be effective. Of course they reinforced Biden’s ads 24/7. Day in, day out. That’s how they do it. The blacklisting actually comes from social media. Again, something Carter didn’t have going for him in 80 when social media didn’t exist.

    91. jason says:

      Polling says the exact opposite of what you’re saying by the way.”

      Actually it is completely supportive of what I am saying.

      There is no way Biden should be above 50% approval.

      The reason he is can be credited exclusively for the massive MSM effort to prop him up.

    92. jason says:

      If Trump had showed 10% of the cognitive decline Biden is exhibiting the MSM would be 24/7 claiming he had to be removed.

    93. Wes says:

      I looked up the story you posted, Jason. You played a bit fast and loose with the facts. The ad in question was from 2017, not 2021. Under FEC guidelines, media outlets must air ads by all candidates in a contested election. There was no election involving Trump that year. Had he run it in 2020, they couldn’t have refused to air it without also denying Biden airtime.

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/may/02/analysis-why-cnn-can-and-did-refuse-to-air-trumps-/%3famp-content=amp

    94. jason says:

      Trying to pretend the MSM bias does not exist is so foolish it really does not merit any argument.

    95. jason says:

      I didn’t claim the ad was during the election.

      I used it as example that the MSM will refuse to run GOP ads.

    96. Phil says:

      I don’t believe he’s under 50%, Wes. McGlauclin’s poll came out yesterday and he was at 54….and there isn’t a poll out there outside of Rasmussen that he is upside down in. Now how do you explain that with crime, the border, inflation, his senility?

      Answer. The MSM.

      He’ll remember when you tuned into Johnny Carson late night? Well, now you get Colbert.

      Totally different animal.

    97. jason says:

      The ad in question was from 2017, not 2021.”

      No kidding Sherlock.

      The ad I referenced specifically states it was related to Trump’s first 100 days, so it was obvious it was 2017.

      Good try at the red herring, but it won’t work.

      Denying the MSM’s influence is really stupid.

    98. Wes says:

      You’re not Phil, Jason, so I’m not sure why you assumed a post addressed to him was talking to you.

      Of course you fall to notice elections are marathons rather than sprints. Whether Biden should be popular or unpopular in August 2021 is irrelevant. The trend has been consistently down for him. Since he’s below 50%–the threshold Phil said the media wouldn’t let him below–now, that’s concerning for Democrats going into 2022.

    99. Phil says:

      Want to see how it’s done? Take the Georgia election law. Now look back at the MSM coverage of that law and Biden’s comments on it.

      Lies, spin, and selective coverage.

    100. Wes says:

      The liar who tried to pretend the media would refuse to air GOP during an election cycle cited a refusal to run an ad from February 2017 to make his point.

      Knowing what you’re talking about isn’t exactly important to you, is it, Jason?

    101. Wes says:

      Meanwhile, polling indicates the Democrats have not successfully demonized the law despite their efforts, Phil.

      Once again, despite media interference, how is Biden below the threshold you yourself said he would never go below?

    102. Phil says:

      The fact that Biden is hovering above 50% is to me testament to the power of the MSM, Wes. Just think where any Republican would be now if inflation was at 5%, crime in the cities up 30 to 60%, the absolute overrunning of our border, or if a GOP president couldn’t put two sentences together. My God, did you see that fool today trying to communicate a simple thought on inflation today?

    103. Phil says:

      I’d say the MSM is easily worth 6-8 points in presidential approval.….and that might be a little on the low side. Certainly they were worth enough to cost the GOP two Senate seats in Georgia…and control the Senate for one example.

      As I said, Carter could only dream of getting the blow job from the media that Biden gets daily.

      It’s different, Wes.

    104. Wes says:

      Phil, I’d say a lot of things conspired to cost Republicans the GA Senate seats. Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell were probably the biggest factors there.

    105. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      When referring to mainstream media, as far as television, Fox News has a high viewership. According to Forbes, Fox News dominates in viewship

      “For the quarter, Fox News was way out in front in prime time, delivering a total audience of 2.176 million viewers. MSNBC was second with 1.463 million viewers, and CNN was third with 914,000 viewers—all according to ratings data compiled by Nielsen. In the key demo, Fox took first place in prime time with 347,000 viewers, followed by CNN (224,000 viewers) and MSNBC (198,000 viewers).
      Fox News Channel dominated the cable news competition in the second quarter of 2021, winning across all metrics: among total viewers in prime time and daytime, and among viewers 25-54, the demographic group most valued by national advertisers.
      FNC’s Tucker Carlson Tonight was the most-watched show in cable news for the quarter, with a total audience of 2.924 million viewers. Tucker Carlson also finished first in the key demo, with an average audience of 487,000 viewers.”

      Newspapers are rapidly losing readership, and have lost much of their influence.

      Agree the MSM dominates the internet feeds. Not sure it amounts to 6-8% points gain for the Biden’s approval rating; my impression is internet news is often preaching to the choir.

      With Biden at about 50% popularity; this is a bit like the determination of whether a glass is half full or half empty. My feeling is Biden’s popularity will continue to fall.

    106. Wes says:

      All right, Phil. I’m going to make you go on record now:

      Since the media are all-powerful and will ensure Democrats control everything from here to eternity, how many seats will Republicans lose in the House of Representatives next year?

      No hedging.

      You’ve already declared Gotterdammerung. Give me a range +/-5 seats Republicans will lose in the House next year.

    107. Country Dick Montana says:

      The question is not whether or not the GOP wins the House and Senate. The question is what will they do if they indeed do win? I think the answer to that is only a little around the edges. Will they send Biden separate appropriations bills to sign or veto, or will they continue to send continuing resolutions and omnibus spending bills the keep from shutting down the government. Will they cut funding to any agencies and reduce regulatory excess by the bureaucracy?

      If there is little difference between the GOP and the Democrats then all we are doing is rooting for a team and playing fantasy baseball.

    108. Tom says:

      109. CDM – The reality is that with Biden still in the White House and the filibuster in place, there is little the GOP could do even if they controlled both houses. The best we could hope for is stopping any more radical policies. They won’t even be able to close the border.

      No doubt this is why the democrats are cramming through as many policies as possible before 2022.

    109. Tgca says:

      Uno! Uno! Uno!

    110. County Dick Montana says:

      No filibuster on reconciliation. They can pass appropriations without a single Dem voting with them. I am tired of excuses from them. And even if we run the table in 2024 do you think a single agent will be zeroed out and the federal employees sent packing. They have had their chance.

    111. jason says:

      You learn a lot of things here according to wes:

      1) Biden is at 50%, so the MSM is not biased and has no influence

      2) Rs might win the House in 2022, so the MSM is not biased and has no influence

      3) Dems won 2 seats in GA by very small margins, the MSM is not biased and could not have had any influence

      4) Trump lost the election by 42000 votes in 3 states, not only could there not have been any fraud, the MSM is not biased and could not have had any influence

    112. jason says:

      “For the quarter, Fox News was way out in front in prime time, delivering a total audience of 2.176 million viewers. MSNBC was second with 1.463 million viewers, and CNN was third with 914,000 viewers—all according to ratings data compiled by Nielsen. In the key demo, Fox took first place in prime time with 347,000 viewers, followed by CNN (224,000 viewers) and MSNBC (198,000 viewers).
      Fox News Channel dominated the cable news competition in the second quarter of 2021, winning across all metrics: among total viewers in prime time and daytime, and among viewers 25-54, the demographic group most valued by national advertisers.
      FNC’s Tucker Carlson Tonight was the most-watched show in cable news for the quarter, with a total audience of 2.924 million viewers. Tucker Carlson also finished first in the key demo, with an average audience of 487,000 viewers.”

      The cable news ratings are not that relevant, these numbers are a drop in the bucket. I agree however that cable news is often preaching to the choir, as moonbats watch MSNBC and CNN and conservatives watch FNC,

      However, most people still get news from other sources by huge margins, over 10-1

      And these sources, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, NPR, Reuters, AP, Yahoo News, UPI, WAPO, NYT, LA Times, USA Today, etc are overwhelmingly liberal.

      That is a fact whether wes pretends it isn’t or not.

    113. Tgca says:

      110. Tom

      I actually think there’s quite a bit the GOP can do if they take back both houses.

      1st, they can stop the Biden agenda in its track. That in itself is UUUUGE!

      2nd, make it clear no radical bills or appointments will be made prospectively.

      3rd, on all other non-radical business, they can push the Gingrich strategy. If you want that, then you give us this.

      4th, seek and try to reverse some of the radical agenda Biden passed by amendments into current bills.

      Of course, this does not mean you will have a GOP agenda passing but it can force leaders into SOME compromise or nothing gets done.

      All this is easier said than done but does Biden really want 2 years of nothing happening on his watch while trying to run for re-election with a weakened economy, rising inflation, repeated Covid, increasing illegal immigration, rising crime, etc.

      He may be a stubborn old doddering fool …

      SCRATCH THAT…

      …he IS a stubborn old doddering fool but does he want to try and put the blame on the GOP and take that risk in an election year defending those issues stemming from his policies or would he rather compromise and get the most he can get?

      My gut tells me if he really is in charge, he’ll do the latter. If he’s not in charge then Jill and Kamala will want to fight and push for radical lefty causes at great risk.

    114. jason says:

      The question is not whether or not the GOP wins the House and Senate. The question is what will they do if they indeed do win? I think the answer to that is only a little around the edges. Will they send Biden separate appropriations bills to sign or veto, or will they continue to send continuing resolutions and omnibus spending bills the keep from shutting down the government. Will they cut funding to any agencies and reduce regulatory excess by the bureaucracy?

      If there is little difference between the GOP and the Democrats then all we are doing is rooting for a team and playing fantasy baseball.”

      That is why I say the die has already been cast as far as which direction the country is heading.

      We are just talking about how fast we get to full blown socialism, not if we get there. As CDM points out, we are discussing nuances around the edges, nothing fundamentally different.

      The whole educational system is in the hands of left wing zealots, CRT is just one small manifestation of it. We already see a large percentage of the new generation saying they prefer socialism, electing a GOP House in 2022 is not going to change that. Without a change in the content of what is being taught in schools and universities, capitalism is on its way out.

      If the Rs can avoid HR1 they could win in 2022 and 2024 and delay the inevitable for a decade or more. That would be good for most of us here, but our kids are still going to live under a different system.

      We have a left wing educational system, a left wing media, and now a left wing corporate America for the most part.

      Biden at 50% is going to change all that?

      Zzzzzzzz……

    115. jason says:

      I actually think there’s quite a bit the GOP can do if they take back both houses.”

      I don’t.

      They can delay parts of the Biden agenda, but they won’t stop the EOs.

      They won’t change the fundamentals. The educational system, the MSM, the woke corporate America.

    116. Tgca says:

      I will repeat what I’ve said a few times over the years. The MSM can effect voting behaviors. As Evan Thomas from Newsweek once said, and I’m rephrasing a bit since it’s been like 20 years since I watched him say this, media coverage can influence like 15% of public opinion at any given time.

      The reason for that is most folks, on both side of the aisle, are not news junkies when it comes to politics and details. They do not consume mass quantities of information. They look for sound bites, headlines, and summaries to inform them.

      Since MSM and Big Tech control the vast majority of media information, constant repeating of points, right or wrong start to take hold with people.

      It is AMAZING how many people were not aware of Hunter Biden’s scandals before the election.

      A number of people I know, intelligent, educated folks had no idea what was going on or they heard it was a hoax or Russian misinformation.

      The fact that the MSM and Big Tech could shut that out of an election is AMAZING.

      They use the communist tricks where folks would only see the bad of America and not the good. I knew a few people that came from Russia and told me during the Cold War, Russia showed only the worst of America like ghettos, corruption, crime, and greed in their news.

      That is what the MSM and Big Tech do today. They influence what people see through repeated messaging until people accept it as true.

      Fox may be the leader in news but it’s viewership is less than 1% of the American population. In aggregate, the MSM and Big Tech lead with their headlines and readily available news sources. Conservatives have to dig and find equivalent availability.

    117. Tgca says:

      117

      If SCOTUS has balls, it can stop EOs. SCOTUS reversed Obama on more EOs than any other POTUS ever and by far I recall from a news source a few years back.

      …and EOs can only impact federal reach. It cannot force itself on state rights.

      States can petition SCOTUS for infringing on their rights.

      There’s a reason we are officially known as the UNITED States and not just America and justices need to be aware of that. The role of the federal gubbermint was never meant to go beyond the states’ rights and outside what specifically the Constitution grants it.

    118. Tgca says:

      This video by Arnold Schwarzenegger telling folks:

      Screw your freedom

      is outrageous and reinforces the view that the rich and powerful wish to control everything to their satisfaction.

      Perhaps you forgot where you came from Arnold, but freedom is the basis of our country’s founding and why so many continue to come to the US.

      It is really arrogant for a foreigner who came to the US for a better life to say “screw your freedom.”

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/arnold-schwarzenegger-americans-tyrannical-covid-restrictions-screw-freedom-video/

    119. Phil says:

      Fox news reaches about four million viewers per evening max. The network evening news networks reach four times that every evening. Throw in another four million combined from MSNBC plus CNN and it’s about five to one. I don’t want to hear anymore about cable “domination” of Fox News.

    120. jason says:

      If there is little difference between the GOP and the Democrats then all we are doing is rooting for a team and playing fantasy baseball.”

      There are differences. But they won’t translate to any real changes.

      The Dems are ideologically cohesive. You have someone like Charlie Crist, a former R governor of FL, voting for HR1 and 3.5 trillion dollar boondoggles, and every other radical proposal from the far left of their party. Connor Lamb who ran as a moderate in PA is voting for all these bills.

      Meanwhile on the R side there is no ideological cohesiveness. You have 30 ideologically cohesive members and 20 who want to get along and not rock the boat.

      In the House you have about 10 Rs that voted for a 24h instant impeachment.

    121. Phil says:

      I watched the MSM use a complete BS story on Russian Collusion dominate the internet and airways for four years based on planted fake stories from unnamed sources amplified by the MSM on a daily basis. Normal, right? No, it’s not. Two BS impeachment’s based on utter undocumented bullsh*t. Normal, right? Hardly.

      So, please. I don’t want to hear anymore drivel on how the MSM effect is overstated. 40,000 votes in three states handing the WH to a drooling full completely controlled by left wing ideologues.

      Just stop.

    122. jason says:

      Fox news reaches about four million viewers per evening max. The network evening news networks reach four times that every evening. Throw in another four million combined from MSNBC plus CNN and it’s about five to one. I don’t want to hear anymore about cable “domination” of Fox News.”

      It’s a lot more than 5-1. A lot of people get news online, and that is skewed overwhelmingly liberal too.

    123. jason says:

      I don’t want to hear anymore drivel on how the MSM effect is overstated”

      You will hear it as soon as wes shows up.

    124. Phil says:

      Yeah, Jason. I wasn’t even counting online stuff which is even more leftist dominated. When I turn on my computer in the mornings the Microsoft news page comes up. The political stories automatically come up. They are all from the NYT, Washington Post, Politico, The Hill, CNN, the network news site and those stories come up by default. Should I read everyone the headlines of each. Talk about slant.

      40,000 votes in three states.

    125. Tgca says:

      Crist is a perfect example of why the GOP can’t be trusted.

      He was SUPPOSEDLY a staunch Republican who many viewed with a bright future in the GOP, specifically as a VP candidate…and then it all came to an end when Rubio challenged him in a primary.

      So basically, his loyalty came down to if I don’t get the job I want, I’ll just switch to the other side.

      So the question is, had Crist prevailed and became the FL Senator, would he have still voted the way he did on these bills?

      If so, then he was never representing the GOP.

      He has no credibility either way.

      That appears the case with a number of the GOP in Congress. They speak out of both sides of their mouths.

    126. Tgca says:

      Uh oh!

      Newsmax reports that Homeland Security is monitoring chat on line regarding fairness of elections. They are looking at folks talking about the 2020 election and fraud.

      If Jadon and Phil disappear, we’ll know why.

      Will Wes turn DHS informant? Hmm…

      I just want to say I think I the 2020 election was the fairest election EVER in the history of all mankind, regardless of what I may have posted in the past.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_ebGvN2Bgg

    127. jason says:

      So basically, his loyalty came down to if I don’t get the job I want, I’ll just switch to the other side.”

      Right, so he is a flawed human being and petty and vindictive and he switched sides out of spite.

      Here is what Jeb Bush said of him.

      “Charlie Crist has been such a disappointment, because he will shift his position for his own personal ambition. It’s not that he’s serving anybody, it’s serving himself. He’s the most ambitious man I’ve ever met in politics,” former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, a Rubio supporter, told CNBC’s John Harwood on Friday. “He believes in absolutely nothing other than, what’s the next step for him in a path. I don’t know what it leads to, because this should all be about service.”

      That is one thing,

      But I am talking about ideology. How does a guy who was a Republican governor of Florida now vote for open borders, gun control, HR1, funding abortion overseas, trillions in boondoggles, and every other extreme bill the far left of the Dem party proposes?

      This is a guy who used to describe himself as a conservative Republican. This is a guy who signed a measure allowing concealed carry into business in FL.

      Sour grapes is one thing. A 100% ideological shift is another.

    128. jason says:

      I just want to say I think I the 2020 election was the fairest election EVER”

      If I get arrested I will have to turn in my accomplices here that believe the election was fraudulent.

      I will say I know people by the names of Bitter, Tgca, CDM, NYC Mike, Phil, etc. who believe that too, sorry.

      I will even give out more specific information if tortured. Phil is in Texas. Tgca in FL. NYC Mike is rumored to be in NY. CDM was seen in PA, Bitter in Philly.

    129. Phil says:

      I have not, and never have been a member of the Communist Party. Uh, scratch Communist Party and insert Election Skeptic Faction. I hope Liz Cheney doesn’t make me testify before Nancy’s kangaroo committee. I guess I could always plead the 5th.

      Joseph MCCarthy didn’t have anything on these leftist pukes.

    130. lisab says:

      If SCOTUS has balls, it can stop EOs.
      ————————————–

      and bitterlaw could stop supporting the woke nba and nfl

      but let’s stay in reality

    131. lisab says:

      There’s a reason we are officially known as the UNITED States and not just America and justices need to be aware of that. The role of the federal gubbermint was never meant to go beyond the states’ rights and outside what specifically the Constitution grants it.
      ———————————–

      while in theory true, it has not been true in reality since the civil war … and certainly not since 1960

      the bill of rights for example did not originally apply to states … except for federal land located within states

      however, since the civil war, federal laws have been applied to the 50 states

    132. lisab says:

      of course, most states had similar laws regarding the bill of rights, it is just that the federal bill of rights did not technically apply to states

      of course, now it does

    133. Phil says:

      Producer price index up a record 7.9% for July.

      Quit complaining. The price of a July 4th outdoor not dog cookout was down $0.16. How do I know that number? It was all over the MSM for a week.

    134. lisab says:

      my school has pretty much mandated the vaccine and masks for the school year

      now, i got the vaccine because i didn’t want any trouble … i want to go places, work, fly etc. without getting tested

      but … we have an office worker who is anti-vax and she has to get tested every week.

    135. lisab says:

      The price of a July 4th outdoor not dog cookout was down $0.16
      —————————-

      is a “not dog” a new vegetarian version of a hot dog?

      great name!

    136. Tgca says:

      130. Jadon

      I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about!

      Let me be very clear about this. Read my lips.

      I have NEVER once doubted the 2020 election was the fairest election EVER in world history!

      If some impostor posted comments otherwise under my handle, I have no control over that.

      The only time I ever commented on election integrity was in 2016 when Trump won because of Russian collusion.

      We know from history that Russians have colluded to interfere in elections in 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000, and 2004 too.

    137. Tgca says:

      137

      The inconvenience of testing weekly is worth it to some to avoid taking an experimental vaccine that they still don’t fully understand and learning about daily.

      It takes about a minute to prepare and swab your nose and 15 minutes to get results if self-testing or 48 hours to get results if not self-testing.

    138. Dylan says:

      136–Phil—Jenn Psaki lecturing how the price of the average July 4 bbq was actually down .16 cents year over year was the equivalent of her saying “F Off all you stupid pathetic morons. You think I actually care about anything you care about or how hard your life is going to get under inflation.”

      How does our country tolerate this nonsense. . . . .

    139. jason says:

      MSM Headline on Yahoo

      “Floridians, Does Ron DeSantis Want to Kill You or Does He Just Want You to Die?”

      But no, no bias in the MSM….

    140. Phil says:

      141

      The country tolerates it because they don’t know any better. The leftist media controls the flow of information. End of story.

    141. Phil says:

      Don’t question that headline on social media, Jason. Will get you banned for “misinformation”.

    142. jason says:

      The poll asked Americans about their opinion of capitalism and socialism. 49% of Democrats favorable opinion of capitalism. 59% approved of socialism. It should be very troubling that number is so high given history. The numbers were far better for Republicans, with 69% having a favorable opinion of capitalism and only 8% Republicans having a favorable opinion of socialism.”

      Nah, the MSM has no influence.

      Wes will be here in 3, 2, 1 to say if the MSM had influence socialism would be at 100% among Dems, not “only” 59%.

    143. Wobbles says:

      We are a lot more than 8%.

      100% of my R friends approve of Biden and socialism.

    144. jason says:

      So Arnold, an immigrant who came to the US with nothing and became a multi-millionaire and a GOP Governor, now says:

      SCREW FREEDOM?

      Normal.

    145. NYCmike says:

      Arnold:

      Screwed up California more than it was.

      Screwed the maid.

      “Screw your Freedom!”

    146. NYCmike says:

      26 years ago, I played on the real Field of Dreams, not the fake one built for the WOKE MLB they are using tonight…….that said, I bet the visuals will be great!

    147. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Biden will likely go down in history as one of the worst U.S. presidents. He has crippled the U.S. oil industry, which provides hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs. Now he is begging Mideast nations to increase oil production. A demented president surrounding by inexperienced and incompetent aides.

      “U.S. President Joe Biden’s administration on Wednesday urged OPEC and its allies to boost oil output to tackle rising gasoline prices that they see as a threat to the global economic recovery.

      The request reflects the White House’s willingness to engage major world oil producers for more supply to help industry and consumers, even as it seeks the mantle of global leadership in the fight against climate change and discourages drilling at home.”

    148. lisab says:

      He has crippled the U.S. oil industry, which provides hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs.
      ———————————

      what i don’t get about this is that many of the people who:

      a.) are sjws for the environment
      b.) hate the usa “oil wars”

      are against the usa oil industry.

      does anyone here think that russia or the middle east will follow environmentally sound policies?

    149. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      In another massive fail by Biden, the Taliban is about to take over Afghanistan. The U.S. is doing nothing.

      By contrast, even though he was withdrawing U.S. forces from Afghanistan, Trump would use U.S. air power & missile technology to pound the Taliban when they went on the offensive. Trump understood that we had the technological ability to attack the Taliban militarily without any U.S. ground forces in the country.

      Here is how Biden the demented responded to the Taliban’s move to take over Afghanistan:

      “KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — A U.S. peace envoy was back in the Middle East on Tuesday to warn the Taliban not to pursue a military victory on the ground and deliver a blunt message: A Taliban government that comes to power through force in Afghanistan will not be recognized.”

      The Biden administration also stated other nations would follow the U.S. example in not recognizing the Taliban government. However, China has already indicated it will.

      This is a total debacle. The Taliban realized that, unlike Trump, they had nothing to fear from Biden. After little more than six months in office; the Taliban is allowed to take over Afghanistan, and Biden is begging Opec for oil.

    150. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      151. “does anyone here think that russia or the middle east will follow environmentally sound policies?”

      Maybe Putin did when Biden withdrew U.S. opposition to the Nord Stream pipeline. This action hurt U.S. natural gas exports, and puts money in Putin’s pocket. Meanwhile, the Germans can continue to virtue signal they are wonderfully environmentally aware, and at the same time keep the lights and power on with Russian gas.

    151. lisab says:

      this is why we can’t have nice things

    152. NYCmike says:

      SDC,

      I was told that Nord Stream 2, an example of unfettered free trade, was no issue for NATO, an organization which Trump spoke badly about…….jason, “CG”, Robbie said this was a sign that Trump was an isolationist…..so no problems with these developments from GOPe.

    153. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      153. “Maybe Putin did when Biden withdrew U.S. opposition to the Nord Stream pipeline.”

      I was being cynical. But the Russians charmed the Germans with the appropriate green rhetoric. But the Germans were being con artists too. Germany claims its green revolution will end the use of fossil fuels, but at the same time is desperate to get Russian natural gas.

    154. Cash Cow TM says:

      After the fur flew due to a significant drop in CoVID related stories at DRUDGE the other day, they have spiked it up to 22 COVID related stories today.

      But AOL is down to just 14 COVID related stories today. They are in danger of getting a a$$ whooping.

    155. Cash Cow TM says:

      The band Styx will be performing at the WV State Fair this month.

      It is a shame that they could now also get the Stones.

    156. Wes says:

      Will Styx be performing Mr. Roboto for all those mind-numbed robots who keep voting for Manchin, Walt?

    157. Bitterlaw says:

      Dennis DeYoung left Styx in 1999. Not sure if Styx is allowed to perform Mr. Roboto. DeYoung is 74. My wife and I saw in concert a few years ago. He sounded great. He joked that he completed his first marathon when he was 70. He watched 12 hours of Law and Order: SVU.

    158. Wes says:

      Why wouldn’t Styx be allowed to perform Mr. Roboto, Bitter? It was a song written for and performed by Styx. Granted, I can see why Styx wouldn’t want to perform the song, but I can’t imagine any legal issues barring it.

    159. Bitterlaw says:

      DeYoung made a reference to owning the rights to most Styx songs during the concert. I could be wrong.

    160. Phil says:

      July 8th

      Asked if a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan was now inevitable, Joe Biden answers “No, it is not inevitable. The Afghan army is well equipped.”

      And this fool continues to be above 50%.

      Just another piece of evidence, Wes, regarding the power and the influence of the MSM on public opinion.

    161. jason says:

      jason, “CG”, Robbie said this was a sign that Trump was an isolationist”

      Huh, I hate to tell you but I think the fact Trump was an isolationist for 40 years before becoming President and then pursued the AFL-CIO agenda of stupid tariffs and trade wars while President were the “signs Trump was an isolationist”.

    162. NYCmike says:

      “Ma, the line is cast, full bait!”

      …..seconds later……

      “Ma, we got a big one!”

    163. jason says:

      Ma knows which side of the hook is baited.

    164. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      2024 National General Election Poll:

      Donald Trump 49% (+3)
      Kamala Harris 46%
      McLaughlin & Associates ~ 1000 LV ~ 7/27

    165. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Replying to
      @AlexBerenson
      What Biontech said in early 2020 on the 2019 annual SEC filing. “…to induce immunity and PREVENT Covid-19 infection” whatever they are saying now ‘lower hospitalizations’ ‘lower deaths’ doesn’t hold up to the original intent of preventing infections. The vaccine fell short

      So is this the logical solution:

      You have to get vaccinated to protect your friends and family… but you can still catch and spread covid vaccinated, so please get weekly tested!

      And prepare to take the booster vaccine, and hope it might actually work.

    166. Gordon Allen says:

      Jason. So confronting China,your ” trade partner”,everywhere and organizing Allies against it from India to Japan is now isolationist? Boy,words have changed

    167. Wes says:

      Happy Jason Voorhees Day, everyone.

    168. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      A classic case of Buyers Remorse:(CG is very sad)

      “Poll: 51% want Netanyahu as PM, just 12% prefer Bennett
      Likud surges to 32 seats as Yesh Atid falls in latest poll and New Hope fails to make it into next Knesset.”- From Arutz Sheva Newspaper

    169. jason says:

      Happy Jason Day, everyone.”

      Thanks

    170. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes – Isn’t it really Jason Vorhees’ Mom’s day? I really liked the first one and watched too many of the sequels (even the one set in space).

    171. jason says:

      Jason. So confronting China,your ” trade partner”,everywhere..

      “Confronting” is now a substitute for stupid tariffs and trade wars? Boy, words have changed.

      By why single out China? Did you forget the stupid tariffs and trade wars on Canada, Mexico, Brazil, every country in EU, just about every major trading partner in the world?

      You AFL-CIO conservatives have to be fair and not short change Trump. His protectionist and isolationist policies were not limited to China, they were worldwide, just like he promised in all his speeches and interviews for the last 40 years.

    172. jason says:

      So is this the logical solution”

      Here is my logical solution.

      Handle COVID like any other communicable disease, take precautions if you are particularly vulnerable, encourage vaccinations for those most likely to die or require hospitalization (elderly and nursing home residents, those with pre-existing conditions, those that are in close contact with such people, etc.).

      Everyone else should move on with their lives, no restrictions, no masks, no lockdowns and even no vaccines for those that don’t want it especially if you are under 50 and healthy and extremely unlikely to die from it. Creating herd immunity in younger healthier and more mobile population by letting the virus take its course is going to be more effective than the vaccine, since we already know the protection from the vaccine is not permanent.

      Is the goal to prevent deaths and hospitalizations or is the goal that nobody get COVID?

      Because if the goal is nobody gets COVID then we are screwed, this will never end.

    173. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason – Will you never learn? Trump tariffs and trade wars are good. Spending bills were signed by Trump’s evil zombie hand without him knowing about it.

    174. jason says:

      I am sorry, I keep forgetting that Trump’s stupid tariffs and trade wars were “different” from other stupid tariffs and trade wars.

      It is just that it there is so much to remember.

      The deficit spending bills Trump signed were “different” from deficit spending bills signed by other Presidents.

      The contributions Trump made for decades to Democrats like Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer were “different” than other contributions to Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer.

      I will try to remember better in the future.

    175. jason says:

      CA Governor Recall Election (LA County Only)
      Remain 49%
      Recall 41%”

      LA county?

      Hmmmm……

    176. jason says:

      LA County 2020

      Biden 71%
      Trump 27%

    177. Phil says:

      It would be nice if we could believe that polling.

      I don’t for a second.

    178. jason says:

      “Sean Penn calls for mandatory vaccinations, says it’s no different than requiring a driver’s license”

      I didn’t even know driver’s licenses were mandatory.

    179. jason says:

      “The 11 Democrats who voted No on Sen. Marshall amendment requiring migrants encountered at the border be tested for COVID ? Booker (NJ), Heinrich (NM), Hirono (HI), Lujan (NM), Markey (MA), Menendez (NJ), Murphy (CT), Ossoff (GA), Sanders (VT), Smith (MN) and Warren (MA)”

      Normal.

    180. jason says:

      Note the Senators from NM voted not to require COVID testing at border.

    181. jason says:

      Don’t you love the MSM?

      “There is notable support for vaccine mandates. According to a recent poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation, 51% of Americans say the federal government should recommend that employers require their workers to get vaccinated, while 45% say it should not.”

      So many things wrong with this. Is 51% to 45% notable? But worse, is supporting a recommnendation the same as supporting a mandate?

    182. Bitterlaw says:

      Yesterday was Maxwell Day. GFY

    183. Gordon Allen says:

      Consumer Confidence down seriously. The MSM can hide a lot,but inflation and unheard of spending they can’t, nor. crime

    184. Phil says:

      The MSM can’t hide it. They can redirect to other stories. Some completely made up. Redirection has been the way they hae handled the border mess. How else does Biden still come in at 53% in the latest Fox Poll. Crime is another issue to MSM has directed away from with stories about the really big issues – such as the January 6th “riot”

      The MSM and social media control public opinion in America. If you think otherwise you are dreaming. They put a drooling idiot in the WH. They can do anything..

    185. jason says:

      I know I said I would no longer be voting and cancelled my registration.

      But Gov Newsome has invited everyone to print a ballot at home and send it in, so I am voting yes on the recall and for Caitlin Jenner for Governor. I printed one for Lupita too, but I had to print two since she ate the first ballot I showed her. I know this might technically be a violation, but we want every vote to count right?

      I asked Amos Stoltzfuss if he wanted to vote in California, he said the English are crazy.

    186. jason says:

      Yesterday was Maxwell Day. GFY”

      Happy belated Maxwell Day, GFYs.

    187. Cash Cow TM says:

      I pledge allegiance to the CDC
      and to the liberal politicized agenda
      it shamelessly promotes.
      One government controlled nation,
      sans God,
      with mandates
      and mind control for all.

      **************************************************

    188. jason says:

      The MSM can hide a lot,but inflation and unheard of spending they can’t, nor. crime”

      Sure they can. And spin it too.

      But it is a harder sell since a lot of people shop for groceries and buy gas.

    189. Cash Cow TM says:

      We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men might be women (and vice versa); that they are endowed nevertheless with certain unalienable rights; that among these are free health care, free college, and a guaranteed income that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, to usurp and strip the power from the masses (and exorbitantly tax the masses asses) they govern; and whenever any conservative form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the insane, socialist wing-nuts to conduct fraudulent elections to elect bat-sh!t crazy, hypocritical nutjobs, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on our deeply held crazy-assed principles, and install dictatorial powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect total control over all media, medicine, education, and individual thought opinion and personal liberties (in order to eradicate any and all opposition).

    190. Robbie says:

      Trump’s presidency was a disaster on a moral level. He was an incompetent grifter and fraud who surrounded himself with incompetent grifters and frauds.

      Biden’s presidency is an absolute catastrophe on a policy level. His policies have produced persistent inflation, massive spending, and the loss of Afghanistan in the span of a few weeks.

      Worst of all, Biden and his team are apparently considering a vaccine passport for intestate travel. That means checkpoints would have to be set up across the country on every road or highway that crosses a state line. “Papers, please” would become part of American life just as there were in the Soviet Union.

      Fauci must be happier than a pig in slop. How many more presidential medals of freedom does Jason fraud want to give the elf tyrant, Fauci?

    191. Tgca says:

      193

      I’ve noticed the jump in prices. Gas is like $3.70 for premium in south FL. Everyday items in awhile Foods are up too. Even Jeff Bezos is suffering and had to raise prices to cover his costs.

    192. Tgca says:

      195

      So Robbie says Trump was success for the country though morally corrupt.

      Biden is both morally corrupt and failing the country.

      So who do you think the voters prefer were in charge right now then?

    193. Tgca says:

      196

      Whole Foods not awhile Foods

    194. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      I would not take a Fox poll seriously. In the 2020 election, Fox polls claimed Biden had an 8-10 point lead over Trump.

    195. jason says:

      Amoral Scumbag is pretending to be unhappy with Biden?

      Awwwwww…….

      GFY.

      You have the moral compass of a floating turd.

      Where are your great paragons of virtue, Michael Avenatti and Michael Cohen and every other scumbag you promoted here for years?

      When it comes to morals, I will take Donald Trump’s morals over an absolute piece of trash like you any day.

    196. jason says:

      Biden’s presidency is an absolute catastrophe on a policy level.”

      Zzzzzz….

      You got what you wanted.

      Now go back to MSNBC and CNN for your next COVID headline and next Fauci quote.

    197. jason says:

      In the 2020 election, Fox polls claimed Biden had an 8-10 point lead over Trump.”

      Yep, and Amoral Scumbag was here everyday promoting it.

    198. Bitterlaw says:

      Robbie never learned to thread the needle of hating Trump but wanting him to win. I tried to show him it was possible.

    199. Phil says:

      Robbie, get out of here you f*cking fraud.

      You got what you asked for. Live with it you loser. You are Liz Cheney without the skirt, and you have absolutely no credibility. None.

      Maybe go suck off Mitt.

    200. Tgca says:

      Morality appears to be a relative term for many. Around 50%, if not more of US presidents have had extramarital affairs or children out of wedlock, most in a day and age where it was highly scandalous and even illegal in some cases.

      …and those are the ones we know about so when it comes to saying Trump is immoral, he’s in good company with most presidents if we look at past behaviors.

      …and besides presidents, many other leaders, including religious leaders and civil rights leaders have behaved immorally like MLK, Baker, Swaggart, etc.

      …and let’s not even get into the Catholic Church scandals confined by Popes to protect their reputation.

      So I guess morality is relevant to many since many of these folks have mass followings.

    201. lisab says:

      kabul could fall tomorrow

    202. lisab says:

      he has only been president for 7 months

    203. NYCmike says:

      “Trump’s presidency was a disaster on a moral level. He was an incompetent grifter and fraud who surrounded himself with incompetent grifters and frauds.”

      -How so on a moral level? You said “Trump’s presidency”, so don’t mention anything BEFORE Jan 20, 2017, IF you are an honest person.

      As for grifters and frauds…….who in the Trump world can compare to the Bidens, Pelosis, Clintons, Kennedys, Murkowskis, etc etc etc?

      If one of the Trump kids sniffed at a deal to enrich themselves due to their name we would already know about it! I actually appreciate the press holding them to a high standard…..unfortunately they only do that for Republicans.

    204. NYCmike says:

      I ask again – since Jan 20, 2017, what are these immoral acts which Trump has perpetrated??

    205. lisab says:

      what are these immoral acts which Trump has perpetrated??
      —————

      how about when he let his son, don jr., who has no training as an artist,

      suddenly started selling paintings for hundreds of thousands of dollars to

      anonymous buyers?

      that is pretty immoral, wouldn’t you say?

    206. NYCmike says:

      And how about when Eric smoked crack and made videos with Putin’s puppets?

    207. Skippy says:

      I’m ashamed of Biden.

      He should be walked out of the White House by end of day today.

      Absolute pure incompetence on a level we haven’t seen since the Carter years.

      Kabul is going to fall while we send in 3,000 troops to save American lives.

    208. Cash Cow TM says:

      I propose forming an new organization to foster the ideas of personal freedoms and call it:

      “We Triumph Freedom” (WTF).

      But then the crazies would form an opposing group called:

      “We Trample Freedom–Losing Our liberties”
      WTF-LOL.
      **************
      I could see the news stories now:

      “The debate will be held Tuesday at the civics center between the WTF nd the WTF-LOL…”

      WTF?

    209. jason says:

      Where is “moderate” Connor Lamb?

      “House Democrats outside of the progressive “squad” had bad news for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) on the $3.5 trillion budget proposal. The nine Democratic lawmakers signed onto the letter are Reps. Josh Gottheimer (D-NJ), Jared Golden (D-ME), Carolyn Bourdeaux (D-GA), Filemon Vela (D-TX), Henry Cuellar (D-TX), Vicente Gonzalez (D-TX), Ed Case (D-HI), Jim Costa (D-CA), and Kurt Schrader (D-OR) penned a letter to Pelosi threatening to squash the budget legislation if the $1.2 trillion infrastructure package is not passed first.”

    210. jason says:

      Amoral Scumbag extolled the virtues of Michael Avenatti while questioning the morals of Donald Trump.

      You can’t make this sh-t up.

    211. jason says:

      Anyone who thinks Biden is more “moral” than Trump is seriously deluded.

    212. New York City says:

      Biden DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas on the border crisis in leaked audio:

      “This is unsustainable. These numbers cannot continue.”

      WE ARE WINNING!

    213. jason says:

      So Liz, maybe voting for Biden was not such a great idea?

      “What’s happening in Afghanistan is catastrophic. US forces on the ground were working w/Afghan forces to prevent terrorists from establishing safe havens from which they can attack us again.

      Withdrawing US forces is allowing terrorists & their allies to take over the country”

      Btw, can you be an “ally” of a terrorist without being a terrorist?

    214. NYCmike says:

      “Jason. So confronting China,your ” trade partner”,everywhere and organizing Allies against it from India to Japan is now isolationist? Boy,words have changed”

      -Common sense doesn’t translate into Quechuan.

    215. NYCmike says:

      ““This is unsustainable. These numbers cannot continue.””

      -As we saw from 2017-2020, despite the repeated yappings of the “We are winning” parrot, enforcing current law does work…….no new laws are needed. All we need is an administration willing to do that.

      This means no Bushes, no Democrats, no GOPe-types in the Oval Office.

    216. jason says:

      “Jason. So confronting China,your ” trade partner”,everywhere..

      “Confronting” is now a substitute for stupid tariffs and trade wars? Boy, words have changed.

      By why single out China? Did you forget the stupid tariffs and trade wars on Canada, Mexico, Brazil, every country in EU, just about every major trading partner in the world?

      You AFL-CIO conservatives have to be fair and not short change Trump. His protectionist and isolationist policies were not limited to China, they were worldwide, just like he promised in all his speeches and interviews for the last 40 years.

    217. NYCmike says:

      “Where is “moderate” Connor Lamb?”

      -Connor (is on the) Lamb.

    218. jason says:

      This means no Bushes, no Democrats, no GOPe-types in the Oval Office.”

      LOL

      And while we wait for that to happen, millions more cross the border.

      But hey, maybe we can cut LEGAL immigration by 50%, what a great idea!

      WE ARE WINNING!

    219. NYCmike says:

      jason keeps repeating the “protectionist and isolationist” line…….the (some former) leaders of South Korea, Japan, Australia, India, Poland, Ukraine, all of the countries which participated in the Abraham Accords, along with the Central American countries who worked to reduce the numbers of illegals, all would like to say “Hello!”.

    220. NYCmike says:

      Trump showed how to do it.

      jason, who has “promised” (we all know his view of word definitions tend to be temporary….see the word Never) to not vote again, keeps repeating what he said thru all of the years leading up to Trump.

      It’s true – some old dogs can only sniff their own A-Hole!

    221. jason says:

      enforcing current law does work”

      Current immigration law was enforced 2017-2020?

      Wow, how could I have missed that?

    222. jason says:

      Did Cotton-Perdue 50% cut in legal immigration get a vote yet?

    223. NYCmike says:

      “Current immigration law was enforced 2017-2020?”

      -For the most part, when compared to previous and the current administration, YES.

      Was it a zero tolerance policy? No, it wasn’t.

      BUT, again, compared to Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama and Biden, it was a YUGE difference in attitude and in the political reality of the situation!

    224. NYCmike says:

      “Did Cotton-Perdue 50% cut in legal immigration get a vote yet?”

      -No, the leaders of the GOP wouldn’t bring it up for a vote, similar to how Democrats won’t.

    225. jason says:

      jason, who has “promised” to not vote again.

      I didn’t “promise” anything.

      I said I would not vote unless I thought my vote counted. I don’t see that happening anytime in the near (or distant) future, but who knows.

      I said I would cancel my registration. I did.

      Meanwhile, you are still Chuck Schumer’s b-tch.

      GFY.

    226. NYCmike says:

      https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/08/scottish-schools-will-allow-kids-as-young-as-four-to-change-gender-without-asking-parents/

      -This will solve the problem of what to do with all of the excess hand-me-down kilts!

    227. jason says:

      No, the leaders of the GOP wouldn’t bring it up for a vote,”

      Ah, so maybe there was not even support in the GOP caucus to bring it up for a vote, let alone Dem support for a 50% cut in legal immigration?

      Who knew?

    228. NYCmike says:

      “Meanwhile, you are still Chuck Schumer’s b-tch.”

      -Facts not in evidence, unless if living in the same state as a Democrat makes you a supporter of that person……which means you are Casey’s and Wolf’s b-tch.

    229. NYCmike says:

      “GFY.”

      -When you lose the argument, revert to name-calling.

      Check.

    230. jason says:

      -For the most part, when compared to previous and the current administration, YES.”

      So the answer is no, immigration laws were NOT enforced during the Trump administration?

      Thanks for the honesty.

    231. NYCmike says:

      “Ah, so maybe there was not even support in the GOP caucus to bring it up for a vote, let alone Dem support for a 50% cut in legal immigration?”

      -Just like there wasn’t support in the GOPe for an end to chain migration……I guess.

      Embarrassing how much the D.C. Republicans, and voters like you who claim to be conservative, think like Democrats.

    232. jason says:

      -Facts not in evidence, unless if living in the same state as a Democrat makes you a supporter of that person”

      Zzzzz…

      Nah, you supported all the deadenders that allowed Chuck Schumer to become majority leader.

      You are his b-tch, own it

    233. NYCmike says:

      Heh!

      To jason, “Yes” means no!!

    234. Wes says:

      To be fair, Mikey, Jason didn’t spend a decade trying to help Schumer become Senate Majority Leader–unlike you. See O’Donnell, Buck, Mourdock, Hovde, and Bevin as examples.

    235. NYCmike says:

      jason comes out against the primary system…….joins with Robbie and Wes.

      Good company.

    236. jason says:

      and voters like you who claim to be conservative, think like Democrats.”

      Says the guy who did everything he could to elect more Dem senators?

      I love it here.

    237. jason says:

      jason comes out against the primary system”

      I support the primary system.

      You support deadenders.

    238. NYCmike says:

      jason: “I support the primary system.”

      Preferred candidate doesn’t get the votes needed.

      jason: “I will quit, and just blame others.”

    239. Wes says:

      I like how explicitly advocating the primary system means coming out against it to Mikey. Mikey is also the same guy who called the Utah convention nonsense another way for voters to choose their nominees. That’s weird when the vast majority of voters had no input into the process.

    240. NYCmike says:

      I support, and work fine, within the confines of any legal way to choose our representatives.

      Then there are those like Wes, jason, Robbie etc who complain and take their ball and go home.

    241. NYCmike says:

      ….if their preferred candidate loses….

    242. Wes says:

      You can point out a time when I complained, took my ball, and went home because my preferred candidate lost, I assume, Mikey?

      I’ll give you complaining because I have done that when some unelectable moron whose victory in a primary ensures Schumer gets another vote for Majority Leader won a primary.

      When have I “taken my ball and gone home” in metaphorical sense you mean though?

    243. NYCmike says:

      Did you support each person who won a Republican primary?

      If you didn’t, you were more complicit in allowing the Democrat to win.

    244. Wes says:

      That’s tortured logic. Somehow I was complicit in Christine O’Donnell’s loss because I didn’t support her even though she raised twice as much money as Chris Coons. Obviously somehow I was complicit there. It had nothing to do with her poor campaign and string of gaffes that ensured voters would not support her.

    245. Wes says:

      By the way, I maxed out contributions to Deadender Sharron Angle. It wasn’t my fault she decided multiple times to fly to other states during the campaign, said a bunch of Latino children looked Asian, and in a bizarre statement told rape survivors to “make lemonade out of lemons.”

      How exactly was I complicit in her loss again?

    246. Wes says:

      For personal reasons, I was less politically active in 2012 than in most years, but I’m wondering how that year I was complicit in Dick Mourdock’s and Todd Akin’s defeats. Wouldn’t their at best callous statements about rape and pregnancy have been more to blame than I?

    247. NYCmike says:

      “How exactly was I complicit in her loss again?”

      -So, you maxed out donations to Angle, while I threw my full support to her AFTER she had already won the primary. Glad you came clean with that information.

      If Schumer should Thank anyone, look in the mirror, pretty boy.

    248. Wes says:

      Curiously, Mikey, while you joined Country Dick Montana in blaming Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan for every evil short of Original Sin (while unconvincingly trying to explain how Donald Trump was blameless for the spending during his presidency), you’ve never once criticized Chuck Schumer for even worse fiscal mismanagement. You actively called for McConnell to lose to Bevin in 2014. When have you ever actively called for Schumer to lose anything?

    249. NYCmike says:

      “Wouldn’t their at best callous statements about rape and pregnancy have been more to blame than I?”

      -Akin wasn’t my choice in the primary. I went with Palin’s choice, Steelman, the Mama Grizzly in the race!

      As for Mourdock, a state-wide elected official, I’ll join with 60% of Indiana’s primary voters in saying he would have won the general election if not for the statement about abortion.

    250. Wes says:

      Apparently you don’t understand the colloquialism “max out contributions.” That means I gave her every dime I could give under federal law, Mikey. Apparently I threw all that money down a rathole since Angle lost by six to a Senator with an approval rating in the 30s.

    251. NYCmike says:

      ” You actively called for McConnell to lose to Bevin in 2014.”

      -Wrong.

      I said Bevin has every right to primary Mitch, and I will support whichever one wins the primary.

    252. Wes says:

      Yet in reality Mourdock claimed God intends pregnancy to start from rape, Mikey. Just out of curiosity, why have you never condemned that absolutely vile statement Mourdock made?

    253. NYCmike says:

      “Apparently you don’t understand the colloquialism “max out contributions.””

      -Huh?

      You maxed out, while I gave ZERO.

      You did more for Angle, so you deserve more blame. Simple.

    254. Wes says:

      My BS meter just went off when I read 257. That’s not what you were saying nor what you’ve related in the past. Good try at revisionist history though.

    255. NYCmike says:

      “Curiously, Mikey, while you joined Country Dick Montana in blaming Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan for every evil short of Original Sin….”

      -Did they have de facto control over the budget, YES or NO?

      They were the Majority Leader and Speaker of the House.

      Why do you cover for them?

      They should have acted more like Schumer and Pelosi in their respective positions, but with their respective ideology, or at least the one that got them elected.

    256. Wes says:

      You must be schizophrenic, Mikey. On the one hand, according to you, I take my ball and go home when my preferred candidate loses. On the other hand, I’m still to blame when I actually contribute money to someone I didn’t want to see win the primary.

      I can’t win apparently.

    257. NYCmike says:

      “you’ve never once criticized Chuck Schumer for even worse fiscal mismanagement.”

      -Oh Lord.

      I guess since I didn’t come out and say that slavery is evil today……..

    258. NYCmike says:

      I’m the schizo?

      You are the one blaming me for Angle, while “maxing out” for her.

    259. Wes says:

      I love this place. This is Mikey logic.

      1) Trump, McConnell, and Ryan negotiate on bills.

      2) Congress passes the bills.

      3) Trump signs the bills.

      4) Only McConnell and Ryan are responsible for the exorbitant spending of the Trump years.

      Huh?

      Clearly it had nothing to do with what Trump negotiated, the riders, placed in the bills, the spending provisions placed in the bills to attract votes by members, or anything else. It was 100% Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan.

      You can’t make this stuff up.

    260. Wes says:

      I’m trying to understand what Mikey euphemistically calls logic.

      According to him, I’m complicit in helping Schumer become Senate Majority Leader because I apparently take my ball and go home when my preferred candidate loses.

      I literally give him an example of a candidate I contributed to after the primary despite supporting someone else during the primary. I’m still complicit in her loss though for some reason.

      You’re a weird one, Mikey.

    261. NYCmike says:

      “Just out of curiosity, why have you never condemned that absolutely vile statement Mourdock made?”

      -First off, you, Mr. Vito and I have had a discussion about his remark, way back when. You were just as obtuse about it then as you are now.

      Secondly, it wasn’t a vile statement. It was a statement of belief in the workings of his GOD. The fact that you disagree with his beliefs doesn’t make it vile. He doesn’t support the son of a b*tch who perpetrated the action on the innocent person. He does look to ask/council the victim of the vile crime to forgive the perpetrator so that the new innocent life, the child, can be a source of victory over EVIL (notice the word VILE can be re-arranged to EVIL, and also to LIVE.)

      Mourdock chooses to LIVE, and I support him in that belief, while wishing he spoke about it differently while on the campaign trail.

    262. NYCmike says:

      “1) Trump, McConnell, and Ryan negotiate on bills.”

      -This is your first mistake.

      In 2017, Trump was believed to be a liberal Democrat. Congress is not required to negotiate with the Executive Branch at all. They should have presented Trump with their own budget (personally, I think they did, as Trump was still trying to get his picks in and dealing with the Russia B.S.).

      If Trump didn’t like it, let him veto it, and send it back.

      For some reason, despite Congressional Republicans having that power, they abdicate their responsibility, and you allow them to do so. Too “intelligent” for your own good.

    263. NYCmike says:

      “It was 100% Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan.”

      -Another mistake. As the leaders, they get most of the blame, of course, that is always the case.

      BUT, I also place blame on the rest of the critters in Congress for going along with them.

    264. NYCmike says:

      I’ll retract about you taking the ball and going home, no problem.

      You showed evidence of supporting Angle. Got it.

      I’ll gladly wait to hear about the other candidates you supported and who lost, and see if there are any other names on that list where we are both responsible. I’ll be willing to bet that many of the names you have hammered me about for the past 7+ years will be on both.

    265. Wes says:

      You posted a lot of nonsense, Mikey.

      I don’t feel like addressing all of it, so I’ll focus just on the statement about Mourdock.

      He literally said God intends pregnancy to start from rape. That may not sound vile to you, but it definitely is. That you would defend it really creeps me out.

      Voters in Indiana weighed in on the issue and were just as appalled as I.

    266. NYCmike says:

      Got it.

      I’m correct about the Civics 101 and the legislatures ability to send the President a budget without any input from the Executive Branch.

      We both supported some of the same “deadneders” who helped Chuckie become Majority Leader, so we both are to blame.

      We differ in regard to Mourdocks statement, while agreeing that it was the major reason he lost that particular state-wide race while having won his previous ones.

      Glad we cleared that up.

    267. Wes says:

      What amazes me, Mikey, is that you literally saw nothing wrong with this statement:

      “And I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.”

      That literally tells me all I need to know.

    268. Wes says:

      As for the rest, it’s simply more nonsense and pablum typical of you.

    269. NYCmike says:

      You have an issue with allowing the child to be born into this world?

    270. NYCmike says:

      “As for the rest, it’s simply more nonsense and pablum typical of you.”

      -Which part?

      The Civics lesson?

      Does the Legislative branch have to negotiate with the Executive branch? What is the reason for the Veto Power, if all bills must be negotiated before being sent to the Executive to be signed into law?

    271. Wes says:

      Talk about a strawman, Mikey.

      Even you despite your woeful lack of intelligence are usually better than this.

      I have a problem with saying God intends life to start from rape as Mourdock said. If that’s the kind of God you believe in, then I’m glad I have no religious beliefs.

    272. Wes says:

      Does Congress have to negotiate with the President, Mikey?

      No, it doesn’t. It generally helps to make sure all sides are on the same page though.

      Were you bitching about Congressional negotiations in the’90s when Congress and Bill Clinton were negotiating welfare reform, tax cuts, and spending reductions?

      Somehow I doubt it.

    273. NYCmike says:

      “No, it doesn’t.”

      -Got it. I’m right.

      “It generally helps to make sure all sides are on the same page though.”

      -Yes, it does. The difference in 2017 being that Trump was accused of being a “liberal Democrat” and also was busy with appointments and the Russia B.S. The Republican Congress did not need to check in with him. Let Trump make the decision once it gets to his desk.

      They were unwilling to be bold. That’s one of the many reasons we are where we are now.

    274. NYCmike says:

      “Were you bitching about Congressional negotiations in the’90s when Congress and Bill Clinton were negotiating welfare reform, tax cuts, and spending reductions?”

      -What was it, 7 out of 10 items in the Contract With America were signed into law?

      Not that hard to negotiate when you get almost 75% of what you want!

      That’s the way it should be done!

    275. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      WOW, a reported sighting of John Durham. He’s alive, alive they say!

      https://apnews.com/article/europe-russia-7d649bb73e0a56f2e97fe3ee7996fa63

    276. Tgca says:

      273. Wes

      I don’t disagree that it was a stoopid remark made publicly offered without context but if you were to strictly look at this in the context of religion, then I can see how strong believers can see this as a reasonable statement, whether that was the intended audience or not.

      Strong believers believe that everything that “was, is, and will ever be” is already known by an all-seeing God. Just like God knew Jesus would suffer and die on the cross from the moment he was born…and before that yo save humanity.

      So it is quite logical for strong believers to believe that God knew a rape would occur and that it would not be stopped even though it could have been, but it wasn’t. Just like strong believers accept that if a child dies horrifically, it was God’s will and nothing could have prevented it.

      We are told God gives us free will to make changes in our life and drive our own destiny. But it is also clear God knows in advance what that outcome will be no matter what we choose so only He …or should I say They…can change the outcome.

      If you look at it in that strict religious context, then the statement is reasonable even though it may not be reasonable to say publicly as a politician.

      Remember, the Bible is full of examples where God has used people in different ways, including in pain, war, and death, to achieve a goal so in this very narrow example, it could be a possible that it was God’s intention no matter how horrific it appears to many.

    277. Wes says:

      Tg, if God intends a woman to be a rape victim, then that God can manifestly not be the omnibenevolent God Christians claim.

      As such, I’m glad I’m not a Christian.

      The canard about free will aside, if God already knows what will happen yet does nothing to prevent it despite being omnipotent, then He is in fact a facilitator of an atrocity.

      For that reason, I can’t subscribe to the religion.

    278. Tgca says:

      277. Wes

      If you believe in God, it is completely arrogant to question God because you don’t have the depth of knowledge and intellect He possesses. To question one that created all that exists and knows all from the simplest of things to the most complex that no human or other being can possibly ever fathom is just senseless. As an example, an all knowing God is knowledgeable of all that is happening in the universe at any given time, from every molecule that does exist, did exist, and will ever exist suggests an infinite knowledge that cannot be quantified which includes determining right and wrong which are relative terms to certain beings only.

      You can say I don’t believe in God but to say if God accepts that, then I want no part of Him is senseless and arrogant.

      In an extremely simple analogy, its like saying if you don’t believe in a law, that you want no part of the justice system, and therefore laws shall never apply to you. It’s senseless statement because you put yourself above all else as if anointing yourself the equivalent of God.

      There are many horrors in this world, and rape is indeed one, but there are many more horrific and painful events that rape cannot compare to.

      I suspect if you gave most people the choice of being raped or skinned alived and then slowly burned to death, knowing it would happen regardless, most would find the latter much more horrific and think rape is an easy way out.

      Clearly, I am not condoning rape, but just pointing out that because you believe it’s horrific does not mean it is the worst that could ever happen and any God that allowed it is not worth being God because you are putting your mere living existence above all in the universe, and that is arrogance at the highest level.

    279. Tgca says:

      283. Wes

      Not true! God gave Jesus to be tortured and murdered which is much more horrific than rape.

      If you believe in God, it is not for you to question Him as you don’t have the infinite knowledge He does to determine what is really right or wrong.

      You are making these determinations as a simple creature incapable of comprehending God.

      It’s like my fish trying to understand and pass judgment on me if they saw I executed an unarmed burglar who posed no threat to me but that entered my home. The fish has no comprehension of that level and therefore could not make a rational decision. I say that is what we humans are compared to God, a being that can’t comprehend his decisions.

    280. lisab says:

      as far as the media is concerned

      the president’s son

      is openly selling fingerpaintings

      for 100s of thousands of dollars

      and no one seems at all concerned

    281. Gordon Allen says:

      wes is so full of it he makes a barn smell like a perfume factory.
      Discretionary domestic spending was increasing at then low single digit numbers under Trump.
      Then as now almost the entirety of net spending increases was entitlement spending entirely other than necessary defense spending..
      You either know that and lie,including about how you voted btw,,or because you’re dumber than the pet rock recently removed because of political correctness..
      What a dishonest idiot you are.

    282. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      @trafalgar_group
      #PresidentialApproval #poll shows #JoeBiden having a slight negative overall approval rating. He continues to poll much better than his specific policies.

      46.5% Approve,
      47.5% Disapprove,
      6% No Opinion,

    283. Tgca says:

      287. Gordy

      We have many debates here and get down in the dirt and fight rough and mean so PLEASE don’t hold back.

      Tell us what you really think of Wes.

    284. Tgca says:

      I should clarify that my posts on religion above accept the fact you believe in God or the possibility of God. If you do not believe in God or a higher being like God, then those posts have no relevance to you and you could just believe morality and what is right or wrong are personal decisions, and therefore whatever one determines us right or wrong is in fact just that.

    285. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      288. 2020 U.S. presidential election

      “According to FiveThirtyEight, Trafalgar was the second most accurate pollster in terms of the margins compared to the final result..” Silver rated it A-

    286. Tgca says:

      287

      Gordy just brought back a long forgotten memory.

      I once had a pet rock. Don’t know what became of THEY.

      *sniffles*. I miss THEY.

    287. Wes says:

      Hey, Gordon Co cksucker, I normally ignore you because a geriatric egotistical ass like you isn’t really worth, but do me a favor and kindly go f uck yourself.

      You’re a goddamn joke.

      Seriously. You claim to have 50 years of experience in politics, yet last year you were claiming Trump would win Minnesota even though Biden blew him out there by eight points.

      You’re just a little keyboard warrior bitch who has to mouth off to people you can’t actually see because you’re just a f ucking coward trying to make himself feel important.

    288. Phil says:

      No one is concerned, Lisa because no one knows about it, The MSM has put a lid on it. It simply isn’t reported. Nothing new here. As I tell my friend , Wes almost daily, the media has a stranglehold on the flow of information to the masses. They disseminate information according to what is in the best interest of the ideological left.

      Hunter is as safe as his daddy.

    289. lisab says:

      btw

      i am now selling

      honest lisa’s

      verified undocumented worker cards

      so you don’t have to get vaccinated, and are eligible for free housing, healthcare, welfare and food

      and for a limited time only … they come with 1000 lisab’s carbon credits!

      you can trust me 🙂

    290. Tgca says:

      Now I’m reminiscing about my Singing Fish too. He went away and never came back. 🙁

      The 2nd link is for Bitter only so all others please refrain from viewing it.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAQKifmUUtg

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kodQNd2WAXk

    291. Tgca says:

      293.

      Uh-oh! I knew Gordy’s post would bring out Wes Tourette’s.

      Wes sounds like he’s from Jersey me thinks.

    292. Country Dick Montana says:

      That escalated quickly.

    293. lisab says:

      i don’t see how anyone can doubt the power if the media

      when trump was impeached for an insurrection on jan 6th

      and the current president’s son is

      openly selling bribes

    294. Tgca says:

      Thwee Hundwid Bishes!

      Thwee Hundwid I thay!

    295. Tgca says:

      298

      Friday night fireworks!

    296. Phil says:

      Logically, Lisa, you are right – no one can doubt the power of the media. Those on here who do are simply engaging in denial…..and of course, as we all know denial is a coping mechanism – a way not to have to face reality.

    297. Country Dick Montana says:

      Wescon 5 – Reasonable but strident debate. Declare Victory.
      Wescon 4 – Deflection, move goalpost. Start talking about esoteric movies from the 80’s and 90’s. Declare Victory.
      Wescon 3 – Use increasingly larger words (Which I do not think that work means what he thinks it means.)Declare Victory.
      Wescon 2 – Accuse others of being a moron, indicating that he and he alone is the smartest guy in the room. Declare Victory.
      Wescon 1 (full nuclear combat, toe to toe with the Rooskies) – Start using naughty words, carefully inserting spaces to get by the censors. Increase insults to Andrew Dice Clay levels. Declare victory.

    298. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      299. No one doubts the power of the media, but it does not mean it will guarantee Biden’s re-election. Despite strong media support, there is a possibility the liberal governor of California may be recalled. The liberal media failed to save their hero Cuomo.

      The liberal media has a lot of influence, but it cannot overpower a dreadful reality. I live in a very liberal area; know a love of liberals who are beginning to grumble about Biden. Will see where Biden’s polling goes over the rest of the year.

    299. Country Dick Montana says:

      Biden’s getting through this term is looking less and less likely, let alone re-election.

      No one answers the question that if we run the table in 2024 will that result in a much smaller federal government that is a lot less intrusive? Will it mark the return of the rule of law based on that pesky document called the Constitution?

      Again, with few exceptions everyone is playing fantasy baseball. It about your team winning. That’s it.

    300. Tgca says:

      303 CDM

      Very Funny!

    301. Country Dick Montana says:

      What is even more fun is to watch the shifting alliances during the debate.It is like fighting a land war in Asia (in which it is a blunder to get involved.)

    302. Phil says:

      “There is a strong possibility the liberal Governor of California will be recalled”

      Uh. San Diego, is that before or after the California legislature voted to allow voters to print their own ballots at home”? That on top of legalized ballot harvesting.

      I hope you aren’t going to hold your breath on that one.

    303. lisab says:

      is that before or after the California legislature voted to allow voters to print their own ballots
      —————————-

      banana dictatorship here we come

      Just sit right back
      And you’ll hear a tale
      A tale of a fateful trip,
      That started from this tropic port,
      Aboard this tiny ship.
      The mate was a mighty sailin’ lad,
      The Skipper brave and sure,
      Five passengers set sail that day,
      For a three hour tour,
      A three hour tour.

    304. NYCmike says:

      “Hey, Gordon Co cksucker, I normally ignore you because a geriatric egotistical ass like you isn’t really worth, but do me a favor and kindly go f uck yourself.

      You’re a goddamn joke.”

      -Looks like Wes lost another one!

      No Meatloaf for you!

    305. NYCmike says:

      #303 – Looks like CDM is getting ready to vote again in the next election, he is clearly getting his good ol’ American Can-Do spirit back!

    306. Cash Cow TM says:

      Have the Tallywackers taken control of Kabul yet?

      Or do I have to wait until net week for that to happen?

    307. NYCmike says:

      #305 – GFY, CDM!

      NO! and NO! (prediction, not what I want)

      The D.C. Republicans are much too cowardly to do what is necessary!

    308. NYCmike says:

      “wes is so full of it he makes a barn smell like a perfume factory.”

      -To be honest, I’ve been in a perfume factory, and it doesn’t really smell that great, due to the concentration of the aroma, so Wes shouldn’t have reacted with such hostility and anger, a show which was similar to a spoiled rotten college trust fund child not getting to go to Greece for Spring Break.

    309. NYCmike says:

      Tgca,

      Those were thoughtful posts above, just about how Mr. Vito (I do apologize if it wasn’t Mr. Vito all those years ago, as I hope I recall correctly) described it.

    310. NYCmike says:

      I do wonder why CDM started at Wescon 5……I would have started at Wescon 1 and gone up to 5…….or even up to 11………

    311. Wes says:

      Anger at a pissant like Gordon Co cksucker, Mikey?

      Not a chance.

      I just gave the little bitch back what he tried to give me. I’ll go back to ignoring him now.

    312. Tgca says:

      315

      Well thank you NYC. You know how I am widely regarded as being so thoughtful here at HHR so thoughtfulness in my posts should not be a surprise to anyone.

      My thoughtfulness and LisaB’s sweet and kind nature are why many continue to visit HHR.

    313. lisab says:

      not only is the president’s son openly selling influence to anonymous donors

      without a peep from the gop

      many gop senators voted to pass the trillion dollar package

      and certainly ryan an company never helped trump build the wall, or put america first

      so why would anyone think it would be different even if somehow the gop won in 2022?

    314. Bitterlaw says:

      So I went to dinner. Let’s review the thread and … WTF! Wes, CDM, NYC and Gordon in a steel cage death match.

    315. Tgca says:

      Now this is a hoot!

      The Co-Founder Of The Fact-Checking Site Snopes Was Writing Plagiarized Articles Under A Fake Name

      He has been removed from editorial duties but he is still a 50% owner so it’s not like they can fire him.

      Snopes issued a statement:

      “Plagiarism undermines our mission and values… It has no place in any context within this organization.”

      Editorial staff issued a statement too.

      “We strongly condemn these poor journalistic practices. … we work hard every day to uphold the highest possible journalistic and ethical standards.”

      https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/deansterlingjones/snopes-cofounder-plagiarism-mikkelson

    316. Bitterlaw says:

      Well. I could pick a side and jump in OR I could take on 4 or 5 at once. Let’s see how it goes from here.

    317. Tgca says:

      320

      Dinner? Was it a tasty and healthy tofu dish with green veggies followed by a green tea ice cream and washed down with a carbonated cucumber ginger drink?

    318. Tgca says:

      I have not been out dining in like 2 weeks. My good friend since my yoot years in the Sewer State, and my frequent dining buddy, who is fully vaccinated and always wears a mask too, is in quarantine after getting Covid so he’s not allowed within a block of my home. Not that dining out would be an enjoyable experience anyway since he can’t taste anything.

      I’ve decided to keep away from these other vaccinated folks spreading cooties so I’m hibernating and it’s just home made tofu and green veggies dishes every night at home for me and the pooch. 🙁

    319. Bitterlaw says:

      Cheeseburger and chips made by the restaurant. My niece (sister of the deceased niece) came to visit my daughter before they go off to college.

      This thread was quite an eye-opener. I thought that maybe I really am the cause of all the discord. Seeing the brutal attacks coming out of nowhere makes me reassess my role at HHR.

    320. Tgca says:

      Well this should be interesting.

      Broward County Election Supervisor has sent out a letter informing those people that wish to be poll workers they need to be vaccinated to work polls in the Nov election.

      I don’t know if he has the legal authority to do that but clearly if poll workers are to be vaccinated to protect the public then one can argue voters should be vaccinated too because who wants to be standing next to Covid spreaders, riiiiiiight?

      …but we know how that will end if you tell Dems you need a proof of vax to vote the obligatory 2 or 3 times in Broward.

      Mind you, his scary looking predecessor Brenda Snipes was removed from supervisor after the 2018 elections due to the attempted recount shenanigans…and prior to her tenure of 16 years, her predecessor was also removed from that job so there’s not a good track record of leadership in that office and telling folks they need to be vax to fulfill a legally allowed oversight role might lead to problems for him.

      https://nationalfile.com/broward-county-mandates-vaccines-for-poll-workers/

    321. Tgca says:

      Well, to be fair, I’m not sure if Wes’s frequent Tourette’s outbursts should be considered a brutal attack. It’s just Wes’ way of communicating when he is challenged. No worse then what I grew up with in the Sewer State.

    322. Bitterlaw says:

      Watching the Little League Baseball World Series regional game for the last spot in Williamsport. Last coached baseball in 2011. Oregon and Montana were tied 1-1 after 5 innings. Oregon has exploded in the 6th to make it 9-1. Can Montana rally?

    323. Bitterlaw says:

      Montana did not rally.

    324. NYCmike says:

      “So I went to dinner. Let’s review the thread and … WTF! Wes, CDM, NYC and Gordon in a steel cage death match.”

      -I knew you would like it!

      A smile from Bitterlaw on a Friday night – even jason the A-Hole might enjoy that!

    325. NYCmike says:

      Person at work telling me about back home in Philipines – last year, most people stayed home, unless they had to work, and there weren’t many cases.

      This year, they got their hands on a lot of vaccine doses, so people got them and started socializing….numbers are thru the roof now, and the usual heat makes it tougher for the elderly to deal with it.

    326. NYCmike says:

      Cheers to all! Son goes off to school this weekend, fingers crossed!

    327. Tgca says:

      Thwee thwee thwee Bishes!

      Thwee thwee thwee I thay!

    328. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Every registered voter in California is being mailed a ballot; am not seeing the point to printing one yourself. All voters must sign the envelope the ballot is placed in, whether it was mailed or printed. All the ballots sent out will have a postage prepaid envelope. California has headed into lockdown again; which negatively impacts ballot harvesting.

      Republicans have picked up three congressional seats in California in mail-in ballot elections. The state of panic that Newsom is exhibiting now hardly comports with someone who knows the election is fixed.

    329. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      334. By the way, the “print your own ballot” provision was already in existence for the 2020 election. I am not aware of it being misused. It was put in place to provide a way for someone who did not get their mail ballot to vote. The ballot envelope must be signed, and the election computer that processes envelopes makes sure a registered voter only votes one ballot.

    330. Phil says:

      Every registered voter is being mailed a ballot. Oh brother.

      That in itself is a Democrat’s dream. Imagine the the number of ballots that will be floating around out there – ballots being mailed to to addresses where the registered voter no longer lives there. Total invitation to fraud. Democrats in Harris County tried to put that system in place in 2020. Democrats wanted to resurrect that in 2022 and the new Texas voter law specifically prohibits it. It’s one of the reasons Texas Democratic House members left the state.

      Democrats love fraud. Not that they even need it in California.

    331. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Here is how Santa Barbara County provides for “print your own ballots”. Believe the same limitations of who may use it still exist:

      “Introduction to the Remote Accessible Vote By Mail System
      The Remote Accessible Vote-by-Mail (RAVBM) System will offers military and overseas voters and voters with disabilities a secure method to receive their ballot electronically. The voter can then mark, download and print their ballot and return their ballot to the elections official. For privacy and security reasons, the RAVBM system does not store or transmit votes over the internet.

      How does RAVBM work?
      A voter would request a RAVBM ballot from their County elections office by application, phone, email, or by completing the application below…”

    332. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      336. After the 2018 election, California Republicans fought fire with fire. They gained three congressional seats, and successfully got a recall of Newsom on the ballot. This all took place in an overwhelmingly Democrat state. Newsom’s recent meltdown shows how serious the threat of recall is. Plus, when the existing Republican replacement candidates were shown to be turkeys, Larry Elder was recruited to run.

    333. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      NateSilver538
      Replying to
      @Neoavatara
      My over-under on “how many vaccine jabs will I get over the next 3 years” is 3.5.

      There is talk now that a new vaccine will be developed for the Delta variant, as the current vaccine is not effective.

    334. Gordon Allen says:

      Xi and Putin must be licking their chops-and making their plans-with Biden, Austin, and Milley “in charge”. I knew this guy was the only person possibly worse than Carter, but now realize how greatly I overrated him.

    335. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Is Virginia in play this November? Here is another poll showing a close Governor’s Race; McAuliffe by 2. Will Mr. Wissing post this poll?

      https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/567785-mcauliffe-leads-youngkin-by-slim-margin-in-va-gubernatorial-race

    336. jason says:

      Nervous, huh?

      @latimesopinion: “What’s at stake in this election is ultimately not Newsom’s political career but California’s values and our democracy.” https://latimes.com/opinion/story/

    337. jason says:

      Republicans have picked up three congressional seats in California in mail-in ballot elections. The state of panic that Newsom is exhibiting now hardly comports with someone who knows the election is fixed.”

      Zzzzzz….

      This faulty logic is the same as “there can’t be fraud in PA because supposedly there was none in NC”.

      The fact Rs picked up 3 seats in CA doesn’t mean there is no fraud, just like the fact Newsome is worried about the election doesn’t mean there is no fraud.

      The mail-in system with millions of ballots floating around and in print them yourself ballots is of course conducive to fraud. Whether that fraud is enough to save Newsome or to swing a certain congressional election is a different question.

    338. jason says:

      The liberal media failed to save their hero Cuomo”

      BS.

      They saved him from responsibility for sending thousands of seniors to their deaths.’

      They saved him for over a year on the harassment charges, he was not going anywhere save for the AG report by a fellow Democrat.

    339. jason says:

      here is talk now that a new vaccine will be developed for the Delta variant, as the current vaccine is not effective.”

      Who said the vaccine is not effective against the Delta variant?

      “The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is 88% effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 virus caused by the delta variant. The vaccine is 96% effective at preventing severe disease with the COVID-19 virus caused by the delta variant. The research also showed that the vaccine is 93% effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 virus caused by the alpha variant.
      Early research from Canada suggests that, after one dose, the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine is 72% effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 virus caused by the delta variant. One dose of the vaccine is also 96% effective at preventing severe disease with the COVID-19 virus caused by the delta variant.
      The Janssen/Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine is 85% effective at preventing severe disease with the COVID-19 virus caused by the delta variant, according to data released by Johnson & Johnson.”

    340. jason says:

      House Democrat Introduces Bill to Ban Unvaccinated Americans from Flights”

      Normal

    341. Gordon Allen says:

      Jason. you’re right as I understand your point.
      A 93 % effective rate out of 200 million vaccinated hypothetically means that it wouldn’t be effective for 14 MILLION people among those vaccinated. Those rates are also for “not getting seriously ill or dying”, not testing positive for Covd. And that obviously doesn’t mean a thing for unvaccinated people.
      The vaccines clearly are very helpful, but not foolproof, and barring some unusual health factor, or having already had Covd, in consultation with a physician should probably be taken.
      The hoax is the cloth mask, and it being mandated, as there is little that I know of that suggests either are that effective( other than constant media hectoring ). Hopefully, soon, when almost everyone has been fully vaccinated and/or has already been infected, Covd will finally recede. It won’t likely go away any more than flu variants have, or the Common Cold, but it will become part of the “normal” background of viruses we all live through.
      Heaven knows then what CNN will have to show on its network.