Newsom Keeping Job Leads By Double Digits in CA

    The votes will be counted a little more than a week from now and the latest poll from The Trafalgar Group shows Gavin Newsom looking more and more like he will be able to finish this term.

    Keep 53%
    Remove 43%

    Larry Elder (R) 32%
    Dan Paffrath (D) 13%
    Kevin Faulconer (R) 4%
    Kevin Kiley (R) 4%
    Jacqueline McGowan (D) 3%
    John Cox (R) 3%
    Caitlyn Jenner 1%

    This poll was done September 2-4 among 1079 likely voters.

    Posted by Dave at 12:50 pm
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    418 Responses to “Newsom Keeping Job Leads By Double Digits in CA”

    1. Jeff G. says:


      Big deal. So California is still California.

    2. Tgca says:

      Did Bebe! Dos!

    3. Wes says:

      Newsom will just continue running the state into the ground by surviving the recall. Larry Elder or any other Republican will have no ability to effect meaningful change, so I don’t see a problem with Newsom’s survival.

    4. Tgca says:

      3. Wes

      One concern I do have with the morons in Calee-fawn-yuh is that when they get tired of the regulations and other political crap, many move to other states like AZ, CO, and TX and then vote for the same kind of idiots that passed the crap in CA and then infect those states with similar issues.

      I’d rather keep the idiots all caged in Calee-fawn-yuh so they don’t spread their liberalism.

      We have the same issue in FL with the lefties leaving NY and NJ and invading our way of life.

    5. Phil says:

      Yep. California is just being California. Expect anything different? One party State. Exactly the situation Democrats have in mind for the nation as a whole. One party rule.

    6. Wes says:

      Wes says:
      September 6, 2021 at 3:08 pm
      I just saw the following equation online:


      Some people who clearly never learned math were saying the answer is 9. I cringed when I read those answers.

    7. Wes says:

      Well, then maybe the people living in those states should keep California in mind and vote to offset the effects of the Golden State carpetbaggers, Tg.

    8. Gordon Allen says:

      TGCA. That’s true. But looking at the latest registration as of spring the Republicans were still gaining on Net. I believe the refugees from the Midwest are running slightly ahead of the NY/NJ refugees. I don’t think California has hit us here in Florida (YET)

    9. Phil says:

      Not sure about Texas. Californians moving to Austin have destroyed that city. Turned it into a replica of San Francisco. It’s disgusting. The rest of the state? I sort of think the moveins from other states skew conservative…not unlike Florida.

    10. jason says:

      Personally, I don’t appreciate such language and thinks it’s vulgar and disrespectful to the president.

      We should all be able to express our differences without being vulgar and disrespectful. That’s my philosophy.”

      How quaint. You obviously missed the last 4 years when Trump was President.

      Now f–k off.

    11. Tgca says:

      Uno Uno Bebe!

      Uno Uno I thay!

    12. Tgca says:

      Ok. Phil beat me to it. I was just gonna post on Austin as an example. Drastically changed in the last couple of decades.

      We also see this in some other states to where people escape. AZ and CO have gotten folks moving there over time.

      We’re seeing same in south FL with influx from NY and the Sewer State.

      Migration and politics is nothing new over time but it’s been more of a concern in the southwest the last 2 decades, especially when you throw in illegal immigration as well.

      The politics are changing. I lived in both CA and AZ and certain areas feel very different then historically.

    13. Tgca says:

      10. Jadon

      No reason for that tone at HHR.

      We can agree to disagree respectfully.

      So GFY you POS dirtbag scumbucket fotha muckin’ SOB!

    14. Tgca says:


      Now I’m going back to reading my daily Bible verses.

    15. jason says:

      So GFY you POS dirtbag scumbucket fotha muckin’ SOB!’

      Thank God, for a second there I thought Tgca was going woke.

      What a relief.

    16. Tgca says:


      HHR does not generate enough traffic to have 2 regular woke posters.

      Sorry! We’ll have to keep it to the one for now who by the way should be commended for doing a great job at advocating wokeness.

      Hear! Hear!

    17. jason says:

      Now let’s be fair to Bitter.

      The fact he mocks and attacks anyone who opposes woke sports and woke culture and runs interference for the news media, sports leagues, corporations and schools promoting woke culture doesn’t mean he is woke.

      I am sure there are logical explanations, and just because we can’t think of any doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

    18. Tgca says:

      Oooooh! I found a way to make some extra money in my retirement as well as entertain others.

    19. Wes says:

      Tg, I watched Frankenstein: The True Story (1973) last night. Thoughts on it?

    20. Bitterlaw says:

      Zzzzzzzzzzzz. The fights over sports almost always start with a post like “Bitter applauds the NFL for….” or “Here is what Bitter wants….” I have said before that people should watch or not watch what they want and leave people alone.

      The logical explanation that eludes Jason, like so many things, is that I live despite woke bs and not because of it. I have stated in public that it is dangerous to the country as well as the word “woke” being bad grammar. The comment about grammar was part of my charming opening to one public statement to disarm the critics but Jason will apply his broken Rosetta Stone to make it something terrible.

    21. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes – What are your thoughts on Young Frankenstein? The movie. Not sure if you have heard any of the musical.

    22. Bitterlaw says:

      Happy. New Year to our Jewish friends.

    23. Bitterlaw says:

      Where is Cash Cow? It is good when the non-viper posts.

    24. Wes says:

      Young Frankenstein is hilarious, Bitter. It’s my favorite Mel Brooks movie. Marty Feldman as Eye-gor is the best part of the movie. Generally I prefer serious Frankenstein movies, but Mel Brooks did a great job of making the story funny.

    25. Meldrim says:

      #6, Wes, those idiots obviously didn’t remember to please excuse my dear Aunt Sally.

      (Actually, I didn’t learn that particular mnemonic in school–they just taught us PEMDAS without the fancy verbiage.)

    26. Bitterlaw says:

      RIP, Michael K. Williams. I did not watch The Wire but I heard he was great. He was good on Boardwalk Empire but that show crashed and burned.

    27. Meldrim says:

      #24, Wes, did you know that Young Frankenstein was a spoof of a specific movie, Son of Frankenstein (the third movie in the series, released in 1939), and not of the genre in general? I mean, it did have some scenes that specifically spoofed Bride of Frankenstein (e.g., the blind hermit and Madeline Kahn’s hairstyle), but the movie directly parodied scene after scene in Son of Frankenstein. I saw the movie on TCM a few years ago, and not only was the storyline similar, but I realixed that many scenes from Young Frankenstein that I assumed were original were actually spoofs of Son f Frankenstein, which, for example, had a castle door with huge knockers, the inspector played darts, etc. I think that you’d enjoy it.

    28. Wes says:

      I’ve seen all the Universal Frankenstein movies, Meldrim. I know Mel Brooks takes much of the aesthetic from Son of Frankenstein, but the movie itself is a general parody of the Universal movies. For instance, although named Ygor or Eye-gor, Marty Feldman’s character is a parody of Dwight Frye’s character Fritz from Frankenstein (1931). This has actually led to a confusion of the two characters in popular culture with many people thinking Ygor was Frankenstein’s assistant rather than the psychotic blacksmith played by Bela Lugosi in Son of Frankenstein.

      The creation scene comes directly from the 1931 Frankenstein, and as you mention, the scene with Gene Hackman as the blind man comes from Bride of Frankenstein (though those movies themselves adapted the scenes from Mary Shelley’s novel).

      I recently binged the complete Universal Frankenstein movies and all of the Hammer Frankenstein movies (sans Horror of Frankenstein, which I have yet to acquire). It’s interesting how many different takes on the character there have been. Universal changed Frankenstein from a student to a doctor and scientist. Hammer portrayed him as a murderous madman. Frankenstein Unbound (1990) portrayed him as an amoral idealist. Frankenstein: The True Story portrayed him as a grieving brother influenced by a pair of devious mentors. Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein (1994) and the Hallmark Frankenstein (2004) returned the character to his roots in the novel.

      Interestingly Shelley herself created two versions of the character. In the 1818 edition of the novel, Frankenstein is an idealist wanting to improve the human race. In the 1831 edition, while the core story remains the same, Frankenstein is much more a victim of fate influenced by the events around him rather than the maker of his own destiny.

      For good reason, Frankenstein is one of the most cinematically adapted books in the world. The text is rich in philosophy and ideas and speaks to the nature of the world. It even spawned an entire genre of literature (science fiction). That’s not bad for the brainchild of an 18-year-old girl who started writing it on a date.

    29. Wes says:

      Dare, not date.

    30. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      There is zero chatter in the White House about getting American citizens out of Afghanistan. “They’re acting like they aren’t even there,” per WH official

    31. jason says:

      “woke” being bad grammar’


      Translation: Bitter isn’t doesn’t really support woke sports because the word “woke” doesn’t really exist.

    32. jason says:

      I have said before that people should watch or not watch what they want and leave people alone.”

      Zzzzzz….not going to happen.

      Doesn’t work that way. No free lunch. You want to support the woke NFL and woke sports and woke sports media you are going to be called on it.

      Bitter to say I told him not to watch woke sports or “drink soda’ or ‘go to Mass’ or another of his frequent lies in 3, 2, 1.

    33. jason says:

      My favorite Mel Brooks movie by far was Blazing Saddles.

      But Young Frankenstein was great too.

    34. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      The best Mel Brooks movie and the funniest comedy EVER is the original “The Producers”!!!
      Happy New Year y’all except to Corey.

    35. NYCmike says:


      Hunter THANKS YOU for voting for his father, while former President Trump mourns the loss of the other Hunter.

    36. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason always leaves out the biggest lie ever told at HHR – his thousands of Never Trump! posts in 2015 and 2016.

    37. NYCmike says:

      Never only means Never when you Never say it…………Never mind

    38. Tina says:

      Why do the Bushes aka the squishes keep embarrassing themselves? They are drats in drag, open borders, global warming, endless wars, America Last, and big gubment,

    39. NYCmike says:

      -Another reason why “CG” is staying away. Biden and his administration only care about their own power. They care nothing about the citizens of this country.

      Trump was immoral? NOT AT ALL when compared to the Biden crew! They would rather people suffer than let DeSantis get good results in Florida.

    40. NYCmike says:


      Wow! What an absolutely tone-deaf P.O.S. that guy is!

    41. Tina says:


      The video represents the collision of soy and low t.

    42. NYCmike says:

      And of sanity with vanity.

      How badly did his siblings abuse him that he has such a high need to be liked by people who can’t stand him?

    43. Cash Cow TM says:

      Cow is here, Bitter.

      If shots work, why mandate masks?

      If masks work, why mandate shots?

    44. Bitterlaw says:

      Cash Cow – I would not mandate masks or vaccines. However, IF vaccines provide SOME protection, I am glad I received them. I don’t plan on getting a third one.

    45. Tgca says:

      It’s been reported, vaccines were not tested on folks with auto immune or other diseases that can have a severe immune impact. They also did not do trace studies, following people over a period time to determine any side effects which generally is FDA protocol.

      You would think if you’re going to introduce a medical procedure, you want to look at potential contraindications, especially if the medical procedure is impacting the immune response.

      For some with auto immune disease, vaccines that kick start the immune response can be detrimental because there’s no “shut-off” mechanism if the immune response overreacts. That can also cause a cytokine storm that often results in death for some.

      Though this may not be the concern of most, it could be a concern of people at high risk with auto immune diseases.

      It’s like introducing peanuts, pine nuts, or bee pollen into a product but not testing whether it impacts folks with severe allergies to those common items that can cause severe allergic reaction, up to and including death.

    46. Cash Cow TM says:

      Personally, I do not think the COVID will end until everyone has gotten the COVID.

      I am working overtime trying to think what affliction we could unleash on the friggin’ Chinese that would greatly disrupt their society, economy and government…

    47. Bitterlaw says:

      Zzzzzzzzzzzz. I have not resided in Philadelphia since November 2002. I have worked in Center City 1994-2017, 2019-present. Jason knows this. He also knows that he can’t possibly know more about Philadelphia than I do because I am in the city 5-6 days a week.

    48. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Last month in this IBD/TIPP Poll, Biden’s net approval was +23; now it is +2.

    49. Meldrim says:

      I agree with Sheeple on this one; the original The Producers is the best (and funniest) Mel Brooks film.

      Also, I like Young Frankenstein more than I do Blazing Saddles. And Silent Movie, History of the World, Part I, High Anxiety and Spaceballs are also classics.

    50. jason says:

      For someone who “knows about Philly more than everyone else” it seems there is a lot he doesn’t know about Philly.

      What I do know is that you want to have it both ways.

      You like to pretend you “live” in Philly, which is a lie, and when called on it you and want to pretend living in Radnor is the same as living in Philly, another lie.


    51. jason says:

      Bitter is offended if you show a video disputing his fake narrative.

      Too bad.

    52. Tgca says:

      I see Dr. Fow-Chee and others are pushing back on DeSantis that Covid is not just about “you” it’s also about your community so let’s mandate the vax and stop being selfish. Dr. Fow-Chee specifically goes on about how infectious diseases should be treated differently.

      Ok. Let’s explore this further then.

      Should we mandate preventative treatment to those most likely to spread HIV too to stop the spread of it, particularly in the gay community with 35,000 new annual HIV cases of which 70% is gay and bi men? That would be roughly .4% of the adult gay male population being infected with HIV annually and about .15% to .2% in HIV-related deaths annually in that community.

      Compare that with the .3% (pre-vax) of those infected with Covid that will die, mainly elderly.

      So in very simple terms without a bunch of caveats and nuances, the chances of dying of Covid is 1.5 to 2 times the chances of gay men dying of HIV-related illness. Without the elderly, the chances of dying with Covid is less than HIV-related deaths rates in the gay community.

      I wonder how that would go over with the libs and MSM if we suggested mandating gay men into medical regimens to protect their health and well-being, and stop the spread of an infectious disease like HIV. Hmmm…

      There other examples too but just using this one since it is most un-PC example to cause controversy.

    53. Meldrim says:

      One of the funniest scenes in movie history:


      I vas vit him a great deal, you know.


      With whom?

      LIEBKIND (astonished by the question)

      Vit the Fuhrer, of course. He liked me. Out of all the household staff at Berchtesgarten, I vas his favorite. I vas the only one allowed into his chambers at bedtime.


      No kidding?


      Oh, sure. I used to take him his hot milk and his opium. Achhh,those were the days. Vat good times ve had. Dinner parties vit lovely ladies and gentlemen, singing und dancing. You know, not many people knew about it, but the Fuhrer vas a terrific dancer.


      Really, I never dreamed …

      LIEBKIND (flies into an indignant rage)

      That’s because you were taken in by that verdampter Allied propaganda. Such filthy lies. But nobody said a bad vord about Winston Churchill, did they? Oh no, Vin Vit Vinnie! (he gestures V for victory) Churchill, vit his cigars and his brandy and his rotten paintings. Couldn’t even say Nazi. He would say Narzis, Narzis. Ve vere not Narzies, ve vere Nazis. But let me tell this, and you’re getting it straight from the horse, Hitler vas better looking than Churchill, he vas a better dresser than Churchill, had more hair, told funnier jokes, and could dance the pants off Churchill!

    54. Tgca says:


      I need you to start a campaign in Calee-fawn-yuh informing the gay community that we will be mandating all gay men start taking preventative medications like Truvada that reduce HIV transmission. In addition, anyone with HIV needs to be mandated to be on a drug regimens that reduce HIV viral loads to undetectable, and opting out is not an option.

      This is for the best of the gay community because risk is not just about oneself but about all in the community, and it’s selfish not to take the community approach to risk, as Dr. Fow-Chee advocates with respect to infectious disease.

      This should pretty much stop HIV infection in its tracks after 40 years.

      Let’s do this!

      We would be one heroes if you and I got together and stopped the spread of HIV. We’d probably get a medal of freedom or something. Maybe even a Nobel Prize.

    55. Meldrim says:

      Tgca, speaking of HIV, I am willing to wager that there are still laws in the books in many states that prohibit the owner of an establishment asking about a person’s HIV status as a condition to letting the person in to such establishment (be it a restaurant, store, etc.). Yet when DeSantis issued an executive order prohibiting establishments in Florida from asking for proof of vaccination before letting people in, the executive order was enjoined *on Freedom of Speech grounds* (!) before it even took effect. Personally, I think that DeSantis should let restaurant owners to decide for themselves whether they want to permit unvaccinated people into their restaurant, but the double standard is amazing (particularly since restaurant owners who wish to permit people to enter the restaurant and wait for a table maskless have been given no recourse in courts against state masking mandates).

    56. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason’s lie:

      You like to pretend you “live” in Philly

      What I posted:

      I have not resided in Philadelphia since November 2002.

      Jason’s lie:

      Bitter is offended if you show a video disputing his fake narrative.

      Jason is offended when I point out that his attempt to claim that all of Philadelphia is like his video is BS. A few month’s ago, I listed all of the dangerous neighborhoods in Philadelphia with high crime and drugs – Kensington, SW Philadelphia, North Philadelphia, parts of West Philadelphia, Strawberry Mansion, Juniata, Fairmount near the zoo and a few others.

    57. Tgca says:

      57. Meldrim

      I agree with DeSantis on this issue not because I believe he should get involved in local issues but instead that people are being discriminated against for a medical concern with no recourse that could have feast implications.

      I think that’s the difference! I just saw an example where a MD in Miami is refusing medical care to anyone not vaccinated. I think she should be brought up against the state medical licensing board.

      I usually agree local communities should set their own policies but not when it’s discriminatory and there is no other recourse to challenge it that leads to access availability throughout the state.

      These rules may also run afoul of HIPAA and ADA rules.

      The courts need to start addressing this at the highest level because it just causing chaos and hysteria.

      I keep seeing videos of crazy Karen’s and Ken’s freaking out on people for not being masked or vaccinated.

    58. Tgca says:


      Great not feast.

      Stoopid fotha muckin’ iPad auto correct.

    59. NYCmike says:

      -All Republicans who get donation$ from Alphabet/Google should be questioned about how they vote on specific legislation.

      This cr*p needs to be rooted out in public.

    60. Tgca says:

      So the CEO of Tripwire, an interactive game company in Roswell, GA with less than a 100 employees axes CEO for supporting TX abortion law.

      Now they’re going to have a POW wow with employees to address those offended by someone’s choice to support or not support legislation?

      What p*ssy @ss bishes! I hope they go bankrupt!

      I say conservatives organize a boycott of their products and ensure their kids don’t get any of their games. The only way to send messages to woke companies is to hit them in the pocket, as nothing else matters to them.

    61. Tgca says:

      Mu found in 49 states!

      WM at states do not have cows? Hawaii?

      Why is this news?

    62. Meldrim says:

      #59, Tgca, I agree that a medical doctor should not be allowed to turn away patients because they are not vaccinated. But if I own a deli, and I think that my customers would feel more at ease if only vaccinated people can come in, why can’t I decide to limit entry to vaccinated clients (and require my employees to be vaccinated)? It’s my freaking deli.

      Please note that I’m talking about decisions being made at the individual level, not at the county or city level. I think that DeSantis was correct in prohibiting school boards from implementing masking mandates at school. If some parents want to send their kids to school with masks, then they can do so, but they shouldn’t force me to send my kids to school with masks.

    63. Wes says:

      So, Tgca, the CEO of Tripwire fired himself?

      Was this a Jekyll and Hyde kind of thing?

    64. Tina says:

      These two “public health officials” should have been arrested long ago.

      Richard H. Ebright
      · 17h
      The documents make it clear that assertions by the NIH Director, Francis Collins, and the NIAID Director, Anthony Fauci, that the NIH did not support gain-of-function research or potential pandemic pathogen enhancement at WIV are untruthful.

    65. Bitterlaw says:

      A lot of killing in Tripwire games.

      But at least they are not pro-life, right?

    66. lisab says:

      working overtime trying to think what affliction we could unleash on the friggin’ Chinese that would greatly disrupt their society, economy and government…

      a regard for human rights?

    67. jason says:

      Bitter is an expert on Philadelphia but refuses to admit it is a corrupt, crime ridden and drug ridden hell hole. Bitter aka Sergeant Schultz only sees “nice neighborhoods” and the 3 block radius where he drives his Jeep in and out of the city. Bitter would eat a sht sandwich, but first he would remove the turds and then claim the rest of the sandwich was just fine.

    68. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Am watching Biden’s rambling news conference. He is clearly mentally challenged. It appears his shrill rhetoric on climate change may be an attempt to change the subject from his Afghanistan disaster.

    69. lisab says:

      I have worked in Center City 1994-2017, 2019-present.

      you mean freelance work?

    70. jason says:

      ersonally, I think that DeSantis should let restaurant owners to decide for themselves whether they want to permit unvaccinated people into their restaurant, but the double standard is amazing (particularly since restaurant owners who wish to permit people to enter the restaurant and wait for a table maskless have been given no recourse in courts against state masking mandates)”

      Dang, Meldrin got his talking points from MSNBC verbatim I see.

      No, restaurants have no right to ask for anyone’s papers.

      None, zero, nada, zilch.

      “But if I own a deli, and I think that my customers would feel more at ease if only vaccinated people can come in, why can’t I decide to limit entry to vaccinated clients (and require my employees to be vaccinated)? It’s my freaking deli.”

      Meldrim would be barring Jews in Nazi Germany. After all, it would have been his freaking deli.

    71. jason says:

      Bitter doesn’t know sh-t about Philly. His dishonest and self serving portrayal of it has nothing to do with reality. Giving the corrupt city government in Philly a pass is really naive.

      He is just another elitist suburbanite that drives in and out of the city and pretends “he lives there” and “knows a lot about it”, both blatant lies.

      What a crock of crap.

      Philadelphia is a city that has some neighborhoods that are better than others. That does not make it safe. It does not make it not corrupt. It does not mean it does not have huge crime and drug problems.

      To argue otherwise and then pretend to ‘know’ the city is one of the stupidest positions I have ever seen taken here.

    72. jason says:

      “I have worked in Center City 1994-2017, 2019-present’

      I live 100 miles away and I know more about Philadelphia than he does, so whoopity-doo.

    73. Bitterlaw says:

      Bitter is an expert on Philadelphia but refuses to admit it is a corrupt, crime ridden and drug ridden hell hole.

      Does jason need the list of crime ridden and drug infested neighborhoods I posted again?

      Until Jason has walked the cobble-stoned streets and watched the sun rise over Independence Hall or walked around the Philadelphia Museum of Art and watched the sun set over Boathouse Row or hundreds of other great things in Philadelphia, he can F off. I have posted about the corruption, crime and drug scourge in Philadelphia since I started at HHR in July 2004.

    74. Bitterlaw says:

      Bitter doesn’t know sh-t about Philly.

      It is so sad when somebody who lives in the middle of nowhere tries to justify living in the middle of nowhere. For somebody who claims to be a successful international businessman, he seems scared. I have been in Philadelphia thousands of times since I started law school in 1990 and never had an problem. I used to have to go to very bad neighborhoods in cases defending homeowners sued for defective sidewalks and car accidents. Jason would need all of his guns to feel secure in Kensington. I never had a problem.

    75. Bitteelaw says:

      Meldrim – Jason is having one of his hissy fits so don’t take what he says too seriously. Stand your ground and tell him to F off. He gets scared of the world now that he is closing in on Gordon’s age.

    76. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason – I am looking at City Hall from my office window. I can feel the corruption from here. GFY

      In case you haven’t noticed, the only person saying I live in Philadelphia is you. I gave you the dates. Do you need the addresses? I left S. 18th Street in November 2002.

    77. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      56. Actually, one of the drugs in Truvada, tenofovir, appears to have a significantly suppressive effect on coronavirus. An internet search will reveal a lot of studies on the issue — the latest being a Lancet study.

      The problem is tenofovir is generic drug now, so pharmaucetical companies had no financial incentive to do much research, and only a few government studies have been authorized- which are proceeding at a snail’s pace. By contrast, Fauci is a big fan of a related new drug, remdesivir, which was a disappointment. One reason for Fauci’s long tenure in his position is he is close to the pharmaceutical industry.

    78. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      From Scott Rasmussen”

      “If the election were held today, 40% of Registered Voters would vote for the Democrat from their Congressional District while 40% would vote for the Republican. The latest Scott Rasmussen poll is the first time the parties have been even on this basic measure of the political environment. In five earlier surveys, Democrats led by one-to-four percentage points.
      At the beginning of August, Democrats held a 42% to 40% advantage.
      This month, for the first time, the survey asked about enthusiasm for voting in the midterm elections. Among those who are Very Motivated to vote, the Republicans lead by a 48% to 43% margin. This five-point edge stems largely from the fact that voters who prefer policies of President Trump are more motivated to vote than others.”

    79. Tina says:

      · 18m
      PRES. BIDEN: “You gotta build better so if the storm occurred again, there would be no damage – there would be. But that’s not gonna stop us though, because if we just do that, it’s just gonna get worse and worse and worse.”

    80. jason says:

      Meldrim – Jason is having one of his hissy fits so don’t take what he says too seriously”

      So you agree with Meldrim’s fascist MSM driven ideas?

      I am not surprised anymore.

    81. jason says:

      In case you haven’t noticed, the only person saying I live in Philadelphia is you.”

      No, actually, it is you.

    82. jason says:

      The rest of us know you don’t live there.

      And that your portrayal is dishonest, false, and self serving.

    83. jason says:

      why can’t I decide to limit entry to vaccinated clients”

      So Bitter, you agree that restaurants should ask people for vaccination passports to enter?

      Yes or no.

    84. NYCmike says:


      So if a Philly homeless person comes in coughing and wheezing, I can’t ask them to get out?

      That would make me a Nazi?

    85. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Speaking about the symbolism of the War on Terror, the Taliban are planning to have their interim government inauguration ceremony on Saturday, September 11th, on the 20th anniversary of 9/11.

      Will Biden send them his congratulations.

    86. NYCmike says:

      That was a pure, unadulterated “CG”/liberal Democrat type assertion from jason right there, to call someone a NAZI because they would ask a person to leave because they refused to abide by the store rules.

      It wasn’t rules for Jews. or blacks. or Muslims. or Whites.

      It was a rule for a private business which applied to all people.

      Do I have an issue with a business that institutes such rules? Yes….and NO.

      BUT, I am not enough of an a-hole to be an A-Hole to think someone is a Nazi because they may have a health issue

    87. Wes says:

      Jason, when Bitterlaw explicitly says he left Philly in November 2002, I don’t see how he’s claiming to live there anymore.

      He does claim to work there, but that’s nothing uncommon. People frequently live in one city and work in another.

    88. jason says:

      BUT, I am not enough of an a-hole to be an A-Hole to think someone is a Nazi because they may have a health issue”

      Where did I say anyone was a Nazi because they have a health issue?

      I think allowing restaurants for ask people for their vaccination papers to enter is tantamount to fascism.

      If you disagree, fine with me.

    89. jason says:

      He does claim to work there, but that’s nothing uncommon. People frequently live in one city and work in another.”

      Nah, sorry, that dog won’t hunt.

      He has repeatedly claimed to be an authority on Philly because he is from there, and when challenged, because he did live there and now only lives “6 miles away”.

      Yet by portraying Philly in a completely fake and dishonest manner, he is either lying about it or he doesn’t know jacksh-t about it.

      He can take his pick.

    90. jason says:

      Do I have an issue with a business that institutes such rules? Yes….and NO.”


    91. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      RCP polling average of Biden job approval:

      45.6% Approve
      48.6% Disapprove

    92. jason says:


      So if a Philly homeless person comes in coughing and wheezing, I can’t ask them to get out?

      That would make me a Nazi?”

      You are confused.

      I am talking about demanding a vaccination certificate to enter a restaurant.

      Restaurants are allowed to bar people who aren’t wearing clothes, or are intoxicated, or present a an obvious threat.

      If you don’t see a difference between that an demanding papers from people to enter a restaurant you are really an idiot.

      Oh, wait.

    93. jason says:

      Does jason need the list of crime ridden and drug infested neighborhoods I posted again?”

      Are they in Philadelphia?

    94. jason says:

      “why can’t I decide to limit entry to vaccinated clients”

      So Bitter, you agree that restaurants should ask people for vaccination passports to enter?

      Yes or no.

    95. Wes says:

      Jason, plenty of people claim to be from areas they don’t currently live in. Being “from somewhere” has the recognized dual meaning of a place of current or past residence depending on the context.

      It looks to me as if you’re forcing this to try to claim Bitterlaw has made a claim he hasn’t made.

      He’s explicitly stated on this thread he moved out of Philadelphia 19 years ago. That automatically negates the idea that he’s claiming to live there now.

      He may have an intimate familiarity with the city having lived their in the past and currently working there, but that’s a separate issue from claiming to live there currently.

    96. jason says:

      Sorry wes, I don’t agree. I think he explicitly claims to be from Philadelphia, whether because he lives “6 miles away”, or because he works there, or because he lived there.

      He does this because he thinks it gives him superiority over us rubes that don’t know what goes on there.

      I think it just shows the opposite, either ignorance or dishonesty.

    97. jason says:

      wes, my problem with Bitter’s take on Philly is not whether he lives there or not, it is the blatant dishonesty on how he portrays it.

      Philly is a cesspool of corruption. It is crime ridden. It is drug ridden.

      You don’t have to live there to know that.

      The sunrises are beautiful around the Liberty Bell?

      That is nice, but it changes nothing.

    98. jason says:

      I posted a video. It showed a stark reality of what is going on in Philly.

      Did Bitter comment on the contents? Did he acknowledge that somehow these people walking around like zombies might actually mean there is a problem?

      Nah, not a peep.

      No, he just got offended and attacked me instead.

    99. Bitterlaw says:

      Poor stupid Jason can’t follow a simple timeline.

      1. I was born and raised in Ridgewood, NJ. Ask Tgca.

      2. I went to college in Easton, PA.

      3. I went to law school in the Villanova section of Radnor.

      4. From 1994 until 2002 I lived and worked in Philadelphia.

      5. From 2002 until now, I live in Radnor, which is 6 miles from City Avenue (the western border of Philadelphia and Lower Merion)

      6. Between 1994 and 2017, I worked full time (GFY, lisab) in Philadelphia.

      7. From 2017-2019, I worked in Horsham, PA

      8. Back in the city 2019 to present.

      But jason knows more about Philadelphia than I do? Zzzzzzz and LOL. I saw jason’s video. It showed a terrible neighborhood in Philadelphia. Probably Kensington. Poor stupid Jason thinks the entire city is like that.

    100. Bitterlaw says:

      Pristine York County, PA has a heroin task force?

      Maybe jason should stop looking 100 miles to find the drug crisis in Philadelphia and focus closer to home.

    101. Bitterlaw says:

      85 Should they? No. I do not support vaccine passports. But you are having a hissy fit.

    102. Bitterlaw says:

      So, HHR, when did move out of Philadelphia? I have said it several times in this thread.

      Also, does anybody other than lisab and Tgca (who will not support me on anything) think Jason knows more than I do about Philadelphia?

    103. jason says:

      Poor stupid Jason thinks the entire city is like that.”

      Poor stupid (and dishonest) Bitter thinks all of Philly is like Radnor.

    104. jason says:

      York City has plenty of crime.

      I don’t have any trouble admitting it, nor do I have to lie about it.

    105. jason says:

      Bitter found an article that states all the steps that have been implemented to combat heroin addiction in York Co from 2015 onwards. From the article there is quite an effort to deal with the problem.

      In the meantime, he does his Sergeant Schultz act and pretends there are just a few problems in “some” areas of Philly.

    106. jason says:

      5 Should they? No. I do not support vaccine passports. But you are having a hissy fit.”

      Translation: I don’t agree with Meldrin’s defense of woke and fascist MSM driven COVID rules either but I will attack jason for disagreeing with them too.

    107. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason claims I think all of Philadelphia is like Radnor. How can that be when I listed very bad neighborhoods in Philadelphia in 58?

      The nicest areas in Philadelphia are Rittenhouse Square, Fitler Square, Society Hill/Washington Square, Chestnut Hill, Bella Vista, and Olde City. However, they are definitely not suburban.

    108. Bitterlaw says:

      I don’t agree with Meldrim. Jason had a hissy fit. Then he had another one about having a hissy fit.

      I could fill this thread with articles on drugs and shootings in York County but why bore you all?

    109. NYCmike says:

      jason, you went from a “what if” scenario to calling someone a Nazi.

    110. NYCmike says:

      Hissy fit is a good description.

      Well done, Bitterlaw.

      That’s one hissy A-Hole!

    111. Bitterlaw says:

      Even the tightest A-hole can crack.

    112. NYCmike says:

      “Do I have an issue with a business that institutes such rules? Yes….and NO.””

      -You said LOL.

      What should the restaurants in my neighborhood do when the city mandates mask rules, and they can’t get all of the restaurant owners to stand together and ignore the mandates?

      Should the individual owners take on the risk of losing their business?

      The situation we are in right now, as you have repeatedly said, elections have consequences.

      I would look to help any restaurant in this situation, while participating fully in the political process to reverse the policies that the fascists put forward. I’ll keep fighting legally until we have to cross the proverbial Rubicon.

    113. NYCmike says:

      You have promised to NEVER vote again…….but then again we know the “hissy A-Hole dictionary” is a bit different than any otherdictionary.

    114. Bitterlaw says:

      Don’t ruin it, NYC. I still have hope jason will vote BECAUSE he said he will never vote. However, he did leave a loophole that he could vote if he felt it would count.

    115. Tgca says:

      65. Wes

      He technically stepped down but that’s just a nice way of saying he was forced out. It appears he was replaced by the board, and the guy that is acting CEO was one of the co-founders so I guess he came out of retirement. I could not find any info on the ousted CEO ownership share in the company, if any.

      This happened earlier in the year with another company I posted about where a 50% owner in a media company step downed from pressure by the other 50% owner and the underlying management. I forget which company now but I posted on this awhile back. If all your management threatens to quit, even a 50% owner can be forced out. Doesn’t happen often but it does happen because the risk is your team can abandon you and go and start their own competitive ventures so you have to decide if it’s worth losing all you built to remain in the leadership role or give it up to someone else.

      Remember, Bill Gates also stepped aside to work on his foundation after the disastrous trial where he was basically called a liar and accused of unfair and monopolistic practices and gubbermint lawsuits where his reputation took a major hit. He never recovered reputation wise from that though he has done just fine financially. Steve Jobs, Apple Co-founder was ousted by the Board too but later came back when they were on the verge of collapsing.

      CEO serve at the pleasure of the Board of Directors and can be fired or replaced unless they own 51% or more voting shares which is rarely the case in most public companies but not unheard of in private companies.

    116. Tgca says:


      I can validate that from many past conversations that Bitter was indeed raised in Ridgewood, NJ, a racist elitist metrosexual town off Route 17 in Bergen County, NJ, a wealthy county for white rich people…and a few people of color but only because they’re rich and can act more like white rich people.

    117. Tgca says:


      I agree Jadon does not know more about Philly than Bitter but I doubt anyone here knows more about the bee-yoo-tee-ful city of Newark than me.

      That being said, you don’t have to know gory details about Newark like I do to know it’s corrupt and crime-ridden just like you don’t have to know gory details about Philly to know it’s corrupt and crime-ridden.

      You dint have to visit a city thousands of times to get a feel for its safety. That can easily be accomplished in a few visits and reading the news.

    118. Wes says:

      So, is anyone a fan of jidaigeki on here?

    119. Bitterlaw says:

      Many but not all towns in Bergen County are wealthy but not all. There are also towns with more middle/working class areas. Check out Teaneck, Hackensack, South Hackensack, Paramus, Midland Park, and Fort Lee.

    120. Tgca says:


      Let’s talk about Rittenhouse Square. It’s a small area and I’ve been there a number of times and there’s homeless and smelly intoxicated people about each time lingering and loitering.

      Central Park is one of the most exclusive neighborhoods in the world but you’ll still find sketchy characters in the park, in Columbus Square, and 59th street where many of the ritzy stores are located. They have a large police presence there for a reason just like you see around certain neighborhoods in a Philly. You step outside your $10 million dollar condo and you still have to deal with sketchy folks congregating about.

      That’s life in the big city.

    121. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca – You have an inaccurate view of Philadelphia. You wanted it to suck so that’s what you found.

      I would not waste the effort to prove you wrong because I no longer want to meet you. I would invite jason but he won’t accept. He would be too frightened.

    122. NYCmike says:

      NFL cancels singer. I don’t get mad. I am glad they are showing themselves to be a bunch of idiots. That will help get people to wake up to the WOKE (hopefully!).

      P.S. Don’t have a hissy fit! Stay engaged!

    123. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Another day in California, another planned power outage:

      The California ISO has issued a #FlexAlert for tomorrow, Sept. 8, from 4-9 p.m. due to above-normal temperatures and high energy demand in much of the state and West. Consumers urged to reduce energy use to protect grid reliability. Read the news release:

      California has invested a huge sum of money in solar power. Unfortunately, they apparently refused to realize the sun goes down at night, and solar stops producing energy after about 4:00 p.m. California got around this little planetary reality by quietly importing natural gas energy from other states at night. Now other states have no exta energy to export, and the failure of California’s green energy policies becomes obvious.

    124. Tgca says:


      I am aware of all those towns in the Sewer State as I used to go to Teaneck, Hackensack, Paramus, and Fort Lee often in my yoot.

      Bergen county is known for its wealth. There’s no denying that even if it has some working class communities.

      In Calee-fawn-yuh, Santa Clara County has Silicon Valley is very rich county but has San Jose, a working class city in its country. San Mateo County is wealthy area too too but has Daly City in its boundaries, a working class community.

    125. Bitterlaw says:

      Stupid move by the NFL. HEINOUS. OUTRAGEOUS.

    126. Tgca says:


      I went house hunting in Philly neighborhoods. I’ve been to Center City numerous times. Yes, it has some nice safe parts but it’s surrounded by dirt and filth too outside it’s small perimeter. People sleeping on the street. Smelly dirty side streets and alley ways. You go outside a certain perimeter and you find decay.

      Philly is no NY or Chicago or LA or Boston even though they have their run down areas too. Philly seems to have a inferior complex. It’s a majority poor city and its median income is low compared to other large US cities.

      I’m not saying it’s the worst. I’m saying most people don’t look to move to Philly like they do other big US cities and part of that is crime. It’s not a pretty city compared to other cities.

      It just ain’t!!!

    127. Bitterlaw says:

      If it sucks so much, why have I stayed in this area for 31 years? You claim I am a rich, elitist snob. Why stay in such a horrible place?

      I have been to New York, Boston, and Chicago. Nice to visit but would not want to live there. I have not been to LA and can’t imagine ever going. Same with San Diego or any California city.

    128. Tgca says:


      You do lots of things that we don’t understand…like drink Coke and support woke sports.

      That’s your prerogative.

      Why did Cory Booker leave Bergen County to live in Newark?

      Some things are just inexplicable I thay!

    129. Tgca says:

      Philly was once a great city and has nice historic architecture but it’s still a crime ridden city with much poverty and corruption.

      DC has many places of interest and architectural sights to see buts it’s still a crime ridden city with much poverty and corruption…just like Philly.

      What’s your point?

      If Philly was so great, why not stay living there and send your kids to Philly public schools?

      I just looked it up. Newark has a 76% graduation rate. Philly has 66%. All other major cities I mentioned earlier have graduation rates of 12% to 20% higher than Philly.

      What does that tell you about Philly?

    130. lisab says:

      8. Back in the city 2019 to present

      sooooooooo … you were working in the city from 2019 to present?

    131. Bitterlaw says:

      Zzzzzzzzzz to lisabitch. Yes. Working. Have lived in Radnor 2002 until now.

      We moved to be in the number 1 school district in PA. I will never apologize for that. Never.

    132. Bitterlaw says:

      I like my area. Jason and Tgca don’t. Why would I want to be somewhere they like?

    133. Bitterlaw says:

      Lisab to torture and nitpick 101 to pretend it was not obvious in 3…2…1…

    134. Bitterlaw says:

      Since schools are no longer an issue, I could see moving back to the Rittenhouse Square area between 17th and 21st Streets (East to West) and Lombard Street to Walnut Street (South to Northh) but I’m not picky. Maybe this one if the book really sells.

      Or slum it across the street.

    135. Bitterlaw says:

      Or move 2 blocks away to where Bruce Willis lived/haunted in The Sixth Sense.

    136. Tgca says:


      8 BR but only 3 baths? REALLY?

      Don’t look to me to stay for extended visits if I gotta share a bathroom.

    137. Tgca says:


      …and I don’t do street parking either.

    138. Tgca says:


      I have no problem if you like Philly. I’m not against preference. I’m just saying it’s a crime-ridden, run down, poor, corrupt city and though it has historic significance like DC, it’s not the safest place to be outside many neighborhoods.

      I know folks who stayed in Newark their entire life even after having the opportunity to leave. I don’t understand why.

      Forrest Hill section of Newark has some beautiful old Victorian homes on spacious lots with beautiful trees next to the Branch Brook Park but it’s still surrounded by crime and poverty and the local stores have barred windows and are nothing more than local ghetto marts.

    139. lisab says:

      Yes. Working. Have lived in Radnor 2002 until now.

      not my question …

      are you now saying you have been working at one firm in the city since 2019?

    140. NYCmike says:

      #142 – no.

      Any other questions?

      lisab, what is your issue? Is hubby not pleasing you?

    141. NYCmike says:

      Branch Brook Park is beautiful……..just don’t stop and leave the car unlocked when passing thru!

      Funny thing though….when I went to Maine in August, took a day trip to Portland, Maine, and we ended up in a part of the city which, when I took a quick look around because the hair on my arms was standing up, looked over to the wife and son and said “Ok, time to go!”, and we got out of that particular area as soon as we could.

      Big cities, especially when authorities have abdicated their proper roles of enforcing the laws, always seem to have areas that are crime-ridden. Evil will live when the law gets complacent.

    142. Tgca says:

      143. NYC

      Mind your business!

      This is foreplay between Bitter and LisaB until they get together someday.

      I know a budding romance when I see it. Don’t ruin it for them.

    143. Tgca says:


      Evidently Philly has been complacent for quite some time with a 66% graduation rate.

      I remember Philly being dreary in the 80s upon visiting. It’s still dreary looking.

      I guess if you stay within the safe zone then it’s fine but I prefer a city with many distinct neighborhoods that you can walk to and from, and not ones where you have to get a police escort through.

    144. Tgca says:

      Ok. Time for beddy Pooh!

      Nite ladies!

    145. Meldrim says:

      Gee, I didn’t know that Jason’s English was that poor. Let’s see how the dictionary defines “fascism”:

      “a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.”

      Did you catch the “government system” part? Government action is a sine qua non of fascism. What I’m talking about is the government *not* getting involved in how people run their own restaurants, permitting them to decide whether they’re going to require masking, vaccination, negative COVID tests or nothing at all. If a burger joint requires vaccinations, and you don’t want to go there, go somewhere else. And if requiring vaccination runs the burger joint out of business, then that’s the owner’s problem.

      If the government mandates that restaurants require vaccinations, or prohibits restaurants from requiring vaccinations, then its actions could be described as fascist. But a private person running a private business can be described as many things, but “fascist” is not one of them.

      I knew that it was a bad idea to permit immigrants to answer the U.S. citizenship test in Quechua.

    146. jason says:

      What should the restaurants in my neighborhood do when the city mandates mask rules, and they can’t get all of the restaurant owners to stand together and ignore the mandates?

      Should the individual owners take on the risk of losing their business?”

      You are still confused.

      I am criticizing Meldrin because HE SUPPORTS the “supposed right” of restaurant owners to ask people for papers, he doesn’t think it is wrong and yes, fascist. Individuals can be fascists just as much as governments.

      You don’t agree restaurant owners should have this right either, but you bring up the point that maybe a restaurant owner is forced by the government to impose such a mandate, which is a different issue.

      So to be clear, I don’t agree that restaurant owners have a right to demand papers of anyone eating there. I think Meldrin’s theory is a crock of crap. I agree that if there is a mandate to do so, a restaurant might have to comply with a fascist mandate to survive.

    147. jason says:

      But a private person running a private business can be described as many things, but “fascist” is not one of them.”

      Fascist fits perfectly if they are doing it because they think they have some right to demand vaccinations papers for people eating there.

      They don’t.

      If they are forced to do so by a fascist government mandate, they may have to comply to survive. But that is not the same as saying that because they are a ‘private business’, they can demand vaccination papers. No.

    148. jason says:

      getting involved in how people run their own restaurants, permitting them to decide whether they’re going to require masking, vaccination, negative COVID tests or nothing at all.’

      Sorry, this is complete BS.

      Having cockroach colonies in the pantry is “not running your own restaurant”.

      Discrimination is not “running your own restaurant”.

      You cannot be “permitted to decide” to impose fascist regulations while running a business.

      Today it is COVID. What will it be tomorrow. Maybe you have to prove you are not a Republican?

    149. jason says:

      just like you don’t have to know gory details about Philly to know it’s corrupt and crime-ridden.”

      You don’t?

      I read here that you have to have “lived there” 31 years before you can pretend that it isn’t.

    150. jason says:

      On Tuesday, the Seattle Seahawks became the third NFL team to require proof of full vaccination or a negative COVID-19 test inside the 72 hours prior to kickoff in order to enter a stadium on gameday. Interestingly, Seattle is the league’s first open-air stadium to implement the protocols, following the domed venues of the Las Vegas Raiders and New Orleans Saints.”

      With Meldrin’s full support, I am sure.

    151. jason says:

      Bitterlaw says:
      September 7, 2021 at 10:36 pm

      I like my area. Jason and Tgca don’t. Why would I want to be somewhere they like?”

      Area? Ah, I see.

      Bitter lives in the Philly “area”. Ok.

      I think Radnor is very nice. Philly is a corrupt, crime ridden and drug ridden sh-thole. It has some neighborhoods with less crime and drugs than others. These areas are still part of the corrupt Philly government.

      All this is true.

    152. Bitterlaw says:

      142 Just as I predicted. No. 2 firms.

    153. Wes says:

      Former IL Senator Adlai Stevenson III (D) has passed at age 90.

      Stevenson was the scion of a prominent political family. His father was Governor of Illinois and lost two presidential bids
      His grandfather was Vice-President under Grover Cleveland from 1893 to 1897.

      Two years after retiring from the Senate, Stevenson ran for Governor of Illinois and lost narrowly. He ran again as a third-party candidate in 1986, thus ending his political career.

      Rest well, Adlai Stevenson III.

    154. jason says:

      Meldrim must be busy drafting some fascist mandate for HHR users to mask up and get vaccinated before they can post here.

    155. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      The Weekly Economist/ You Gov Weekly Tracking Poll of Registered Voters comes in at a Biden Job Approval/Disapproval of 44/52, respectively.(See pgs. 226 & 227 in the below link.) BOOM!!!

    156. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Here is Trump’s choice to replace Liz Cheney in Wyoming:

      Now the other GOP candidates must withdraw!

    157. Tgca says:

      As an EXPERT, I will set record straight on these two issues and provide some guidance.

      1st, one can be a fascist without being a gubbermint official just as one can be a communist without being a communist party official just as one can be gay without ever having engaged in gay relationships just as one can be a racist without ever uttering racist views. Fascism is an ideology or philosophy and people that support it are fascists.

      2nd, requiring vaccination papers of a disease that has a .3% mortality rate is an example of fascist behavior. Historically, Jews, AA, Latinos, Asians were denied access to establishments because of their genetics and often believed to carry diseases that would harm the general public. Denying someone access who otherwise appears fit and healthy and whose Covid risk is unbeknownst to you when it’s not a high risk to your establishment is a form of bigotry and ignorance. It’s up there with not let’s “color people drink out of the water fountain” mentality. What’s next? Requiring “flu shot” papers to dine out?

    158. Tgca says:

      159. Sheeple

      I think endorsements are generally worthless unless you make a substantial effort to campaign and support the person. If Trump really wants to support skank Cheney’s opponent, then he should be out there holding rallies and upping her profile.

      Otherwise, an official announcement doesn’t really move the needle for most people.

    159. Tgca says:

      I think we can all put this Philly issue to bed now.

      We know Philly has some safe areas but mostly the city is poor, crime-ridden, dirty, dingy, and corrupt. It once was a great place with much historic relevance but now it lives in the shadow of its past and NYC and really has no great attraction.

      Successful communities don’t have high school graduation rates of 66% with so e of the lowest reading and math scores in the country.

      You can’t call somewhere a good place to live if Newark, NJ out performs your high school graduation rate by 10%.

      Most people in a Philly stay in select areas and don’t venture outside those areas. Driving through many parts of Philly is like driving through Camden NJ. It’s very depressing and you don’t want to get out of your car.

      I say tear down the place and start over again.

    160. Tgca says:

      Ha! More proof the vax works wonders! (Sarcasm)

      CDC quietly changes definition of vaccine on Sep 1st.

      Old Definition:
      Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.”

      New Definition:
      Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease.”

    161. Bitterlaw says:

      Maybe the EXPERT should come to Philadelphia so I can show him all the residential buildings going up as well as new 1 and 2 family homes in many neighborhoods. Maybe the EXPERT can explain why people are moving here.

    162. Bitterlaw says:

      If Jason wants to come to Philadelphia, I will buy him dinner. If he does not get shot or stabbed, I will pay for his hotel room. Or he can stay with me. We don’t have a fence so Lupita will have to behave and promise to not wander away.

    163. Tgca says:


      Liberal metrosexual woke folks who like to live in the perimeters of crime-ridden cities so they can think they’re hip and progressive. That’s nothing new! You should fit in well.

      Multi million dollar condos surrounded NYC’ Alphabet City and 2 blocks from Hell’s Kitchen years ago. Nothing new.

      People just keep confined within their perimeter and avoid walking outside those areas. Same thing in Fort Lauderdale where there’s tons of construction and new buildings going up around run down neighborhoods that people know not to cross in or especially walk around at night. Those buildings usually have private security patrolling their neighborhoods so those “hoodlums” don’t come in and harass the white folk.

      Doesn’t mean the place is still nit a chit hole, crime-ridden, poor, corrupt city.

    164. Tgca says:


      Hey! Where’s my invitation? I thought Mrs. Bitter was gonna make a vegetarian feast for me.

    165. Tgca says:

      Here’s a building in downtown Detroit where 3 bedroom apartments go for $4,000 to $9,000 a month.

      I guess that means Detroit is a great place to live because they have some wealthy people who can afford rent that is $60,000 to $108,000 annually.

    166. Bitterlaw says:

      You burned that bridge, Tgca. Go hang out with lisab.

    167. jason says:

      2nd, requiring vaccination papers of a disease that has a .3% mortality rate is an example of fascist behavior.”

      Of course it is.

      I am not big at beating around the bush.

    168. jason says:

      If Jason wants to come to Philadelphia,”

      Notice the “come”, not “go” to Philadelphia.

      Ok Bitter, if you “come” to Bittersville I will buy you dinner too, the ham balls at the smorgasbord are to die for.

    169. Bitterlaw says:

      Jesus, Mary and Joseph. Jason still holds on to the idea that I claim to live in Philadelphia. Since he does not like Philadelphia, it makes sense to meet him there so I can give him the tour of the good and bad neighborhoods.

    170. Tgca says:


      I am no arsonist! I burn nuttin’. Though I did have a brother who was a fire bug as a kid and used to light paper on fire under the kitchen table and sink so maybe it runs in the family.

      I think it would be gracious of Bitter to host a dinner and invite LisaB and her hubby, and me and my guest…maybe I’ll pick up some homeless dude off the street in Philly and tell him it’s a free meal in Radnor so he can see how the other half lives.

    171. Bitterlaw says:

      Zzzzzzzzzzzz. You and lisab showed your vicious and vile nature over the past year. It went well beyond the usual HHR mockery. No redemption. I am sure you feel the same about me. You did not honor your promise to leave on January 20, 2021 so we are both stuck here.

    172. Tgca says:

      I think I found my date for the dinner party Bitter will be hosting for me and LisaB. I assume this is BYOB…right?

    173. Tgca says:


      I did leave in Jan…and then came back. I NEVER said NEVER.

      NEVER does not always mean NEVER so you know I would NEVER say NEVER anymore than you would NEVER go woke except when you went woke even though you claim you NEVER went woke when you did so NEVER evidently does not mean NEVER to you either.

      NEVERmind. Let’s just forget this silly issue and NEVER mention it again…at least not today.

    174. lisab says:

      No. 2 firms.

      give it a chance, it’s only september

    175. Bitterlaw says:

      Actually, NEVER does mean NEVER. It’s a very clear definition.

    176. Tina says:

      Ccp Biden is at 39 percent approval. You gov poll.

      Drat +10

    177. Tgca says:


      Then why do you claim you’re NEVER woke?

      Clearly, you’re violating the definition of NEVER in that instance.

    178. Meldrim says:

      Jason, why do you care what measures are imposed by an NFL team in Seattle? What, have you gone “woke” now and are watching the NFL?

      There is a limited number of characteristics that the owner of a dining establishment is not allowed to require as a condition to entry. Vaccination status is not one of them. In general, I have no problem with private persons exercising their constitutional liberties and private-property rights in the way that they see fit. I recognize exceptions in circumstances in which a person would have no other option in order to obtain something that he has the right to obtain (such as the only ferryboat across a river, or the only restaurant in town). Just as I support the right of a baker not to be forced to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding, or for a bar owner not to permit Democrats to enter the bar, I don’t think that the government should tell a restaurant owner that he has to admit people who are unvaccinated (or, for that matter, that he can’t admit people who are unvaccinated. The individual, not the government, owns the restaurant.

      And if a restaurant owner prominently discloses to his patrons that his restaurant has cockroaches in the kitchen, and patrons still wish to eat there, I’m having a hard time thinking of a reason why the government should get involved. If you don’t like roaches, go to another restaurant, but if some people don’t care about that, why should you prevent them from eating there?

      Jason, you’re turning into a nanny-stater in your old age.

    179. Tgca says:

      These bishes got arrested after forcing themselves into a home and pistol whipping one of the residents and stealing $560 of property.

      I hope these skanks get their faces re-arranged and cut up real good in jail. Teach them a lesson.

      Worthless human beings!

    180. Tgca says:


      Under your logic Meldrim, for years then it was ok when AA had to drink out of separate fountains in businesses, sit at separate tables or use certain restrooms because they were considered at risk of infecting the community with the diseases they were thought to carry, and the business operator could make that call to protect their establishment.

      People also used that context to deny service because AA were considered dirty and disease carriers. That is what is happening here though there is no scientific evidence that non-vaccinated are spreading Covid anymore than vaccinated folks. In fact, latest studies show the opposite.

      It’s not science and it is discriminatory to ask people to provide proof of vaccination when the vaccination does not stop the spread of the disease and the mortality rate is .3%.

      What if businesses asked Latino patrons to provide proof of their immunizations before e tearing a restaurant because we know many of the illegal aliens from South America are not properly immunized.

      Businesses are granted licenses and required to comply with local, state, and Federal rules in order to operate their business so they should have oversight to ensure they’re not grossly discriminating against people.

    181. Wes says:

      We already have a law preventing businesses and individuals from inquiring about people’s medical status. It’s called HIPAA. I’m not sure why Covid seems to be some kind of exception.

    182. Wes says:

      This is sleazy:

      Democrats are trying to force two NCSC Republicans to be unable to rule on a pair of cases before the Court next year. Although Democrats have a 4-3 majority and would most likely prevail in striking down the will of the people, they want Jimmy Ervin, grandson of former Senator Sam Ervin to be able to vote no and not be saddled with having to defend a deciding 4-3 yes vote in 2022.

      For the record, the contentious issues are voter ID and a cap on state income tax, both passed by voters in referenda. Democrats want to defeat them while shoring up an incumbent whose vote against them would almost assuredly torpedo his reelection.

      It’s honestly disgusting.

    183. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Today’s polls on Biden’s job approval:

      Rasmussen, RV
      46% Approve
      53% Disapprove

      You Gov, RV
      43% Approve
      52% Disapprove

      You Gov, Adults
      39% Approve
      50% Disapprove

    184. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Real Clear Politics Polling Average; Biden Job Approval:

      45.3% Approve
      49.5% Disapprove

    185. Wes says:

      Here’s the full article about the above case:

      Where is Antifa now? This is clearly a fascist act perpetrated by people rejected at the polls in this state who are willing to set a horrible precedent to protect one of their own and maintain a slender majority whose excesses the voters clearly voiced their displeasure with last year.

    186. NYCmike says:

      ” Just as I support the right of a baker not to be forced to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding, ”

      -Just to clarify, what was the issue with the baker and the same-sex wedding issue?

      It was my impression that the baker refused to make a special order, BUT would have sold any of the cakes they make in the normal course of business.

      Is that incorrect?

    187. NYCmike says:

      “Where is Antifa now?”

      -Most likely they are quietly reminding people that work at Google, Facebook and Twitter that they know where they live…….

    188. NYCmike says:

      “I’m not sure why Covid seems to be some kind of exception.”

      -Neither am I.

      My point in responding to the hissy A-Hole was that when local governments mandate masks, it is quite a feat to take on city hall while trying to run a business, and unless all of the local merchants are willing to fight, most will just go along to get along.

    189. NYCmike says:

      Republicans need to use Bill Maher’s quotes and someone like Joe Rogan to highlight the increasing censorship of individual freedom by Big Tech.

    190. Tgca says:


      HIPAA has specific rules but it appears the gubbermint and libs are trying to get around it.

      Imagine if folks said I want to see your HIV status in order to work in a restaurant, and yes, there were folks who thought back in the day, people would HIV should be quarantined, including many of the libs, but that was out of ignorance.

      I agree you need exceptions if you have a highly contagious lufe-threatening disease that was spread by contact (think zombie bites) with no treatment then that might require quarantine to protect the general public but Covid does not meet that level of emergency threat.

    191. John says:

      Sept 18th we are going to DC to show that we the people do not appreciate being ruled by Marxists.

      1 Milllion patriots coming. Bring your families. This will be historic

    192. NYCmike says:

      -Would the hissy A-Hole choose Rand Paul over a Fauci disciple (a Democrat) for elected office?

      Rand Paul keeps showing Fauci to be the bureaucrat that he is, and why Fauci has been able to last 4 decades in government……just placate the right people and the right companies, and your wallet will get bigger and bigger!

    193. Tgca says:


      You are partly correct. It was an order for a celebration cake that he routinely takes orders to make. He disagreed with the celebration representation on the cake.

      I still think that’s BS because a baker could decide not to make a cake celebrating an interracial couple or a cake celebrating Hanukkah.

      My view is you operate a business under the licensing requirements of the community and if that community has anti-discrimination laws that supersedes your personal views, perhaps you should seek to have your business elsewhere. It’s no different than someone saying I will not prepare you a dinner in my restaurant if you are Jewish and I am Muslim, and hiding behind religion to honor it.

      Some areas are no win situations but I could see bakeries discriminating against Christians too then.

    194. Tgca says:


      I think Rand Paul has done a great service to the country in challenging Dr. Fow-Chee and showing him for the incompetent spotlight-seeking fraudster he is. Other senators defer to the good doctor when he starts throwing around technical terms and telling folks “you have to understand” or “it doesn’t work that way” because he knows they don’t know enough about medicine or science to rebut him but evidently Rand does.

      Rand has pretty much single-handedly destroyed Dr. Fow-Chee’s reputation, and the polls reflect the distrust people have in the good doctor now.

      I think we should give Rand Paul one of the medals folks were advocating for Dr. Fow-chee.

    195. Tgca says:


      March on DC?

      Can I bring my AR15 and Bible?

    196. Meldrim says:

      #188, Wes, that’s outrageous. I don’t know any supreme court justice, in any state, who ever has been forced to recuse himself, much less for such flimsy, pretextual reasons. I don’t think that the Leftists will get their way, and if they want to invalidate every law passed by the “gerrymandered” legislature (which only was like the 100th consecutive NC legislature elected from gerrymandered districts), they will need the vote of the Democrat judge whose seat is up in 2022.

      BTW, maybe you can fill in the blanks here, but I was informed that in NC the Chief Justice names the panel of judges that determines initially whether the district maps drawn by the state legislature are constitutional, so, given that a Republican justice is now the CJ, it would be more difficult for the state Supreme Court to strike down the maps that the legislature will approve later this year. Did I misunderstand any of that?

    197. Meldrim says:

      #196, Tgca, a same-sex couple wanted to force a Christian baker to bake a specialty cake to celebrate a same-sex wedding. The baker said that he could not, but pointed out that he could recommend other bakers whom he knew would be happy to help them out, plus he said that they were welcome to buy any of his baked goods that were not baked specifically for a same-sex wedding. That you believe that the baker should be forced to bake them the cake or else have the government close down his bakery says quite a bit about your intolerance for freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

      Regarding racial discrimination in the private sphere, it is illegal, and such laws have been upheld by courts of law, so it is by no means apposite to a situation in which a restaurant owner wants to limit his personnel and clientele to persons who have received the COVID vaccine.

    198. Tgca says:

      200. Meldrim

      I believe in freedom of speech and religion but there are limitations on them just as you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater or a Catholic hospital can’t refuse medical services to someone who is an atheist.

      1st, I do not agree that folks should go targeting others to make a point of them which I know some in the gay community do to religious folks. I had an issue with people targeting him for that.

      2nd, if a baker considers his creation artistic than so can a cook or chef in their trade because they individually prepare food from scratch and technically each dish is an individual creation, like a cake, and therefore, under that logic, a Muslim can use that same argument to deny preparing a meal or a cake for a Jew and recommend he go elsewhere. One artistic view can’t supersede another in this circumstance.

      3rd, my point has always been operating most businesses is not a right, it is a privilege of the local community or state and they do not have to issue you a license if they feel you do not meet their community standards or rules. For example, I was at a town meeting once where the gubbermint folks made a decision that you can only have so many types of a business within the community to ensure there was no market saturation and loss of businesses so maybe only two types of restaurants within a certain mileage was discussed. So if you want to do business in a community, you should abide by their rules or seek to have your business elsewhere unless those rules violate some other state or federal laws.

      4th, I agree the city council treated the baker unfairly and were judgmental about him and that was what won him the case. They treated him differently try than others by their conduct and remark and denied him due process. SCOTUS specifically did not take up the right others argue for him.

      5th, if you say freedom of religion permits you to discriminate against gays then freedom of religion also permits a Muslim to discriminate against Jews or atheists to discriminate against Christians.

      6th, I was never against his religious views, as I am a devout Catholic myself and you should already know that if you’ve been lingering here for years. I was against him wanting to take all the benefits of the privileges granted him to operate a business in that community but not accept those rules that he did not like. That was always my point…and by the way, he takes an extreme view on religion in this context so it is fair to question whether he is hiding behind his religion because of bigotry or if he really feels the Bible suggests he should not make cakes for gays celebrating their being gay. That’s a UUUGE difference.

      So before you accuse someone of intolerance you should go back and understand the history on this because this debate was had in the past, and you come across as intolerant to gays in your post to me.

      In closing, I totally understand his personal religious conviction but he must also weigh that with his privilege to operate a business in a community that has a different take on his personal opinions because after all, he is interpreting language in the Bible to mean he can’t make a cake for same sex couples and nowhere in the Bible does it say that.

    199. Wes says:

      You’re correct, Meldrim. Newby will appoint a panel to oversee the legislative districts once the General Assembly passes them.

      What I have heard is that the Assembly will pass the maps as late as possible. When leftist groups inevitably sue, Newby will appoint a panel consisting of the other two Republicans on the Court and one Democrat. They will then drag their feet through the 2022 elections. Republicans expect to recapture a majority on the Court next year, thus mooting any liberal challenges.

      Dems can then go through federal court, but that won’t matter because the Supreme Court has already ruled against their position.

    200. Tgca says:


      …and another thing Meldrim, with respect to your comment on discrimination, many laws say it is illegal to discriminate on sexual orientation as well so you can’t assume it has a lesser legal standard then racial discrimination just because it may not have been litigated yet.

      I believe it was Justice Kennedy that suggested the latter issue may need to be taken up in the future but they decided the case on him being discriminated under due process and being treated unfairly because of his religion which I agree with in concept. So I can agree on the result but acknowledge there is another matter here that should be addressed as well.

      It would be ironic if courts later decide he also discriminated against gays because he failed to abide by the privileges to operate a business in that community such as no discrimination based on gender, sexual orientation,…

      Many communities have rules that supersede personal and religious beliefs and courts recognize those as legitimate.

    201. Meldrim says:

      #202, Wes, thanks. The strategy that you describe is exactly what I would do. Of course, a lot would be riding on the Dem justice losing reelection, but that can’t be helped given the cards that we were dealt.

    202. Cash Cow TM says:

      Kamala Toe Harris is stumping in CA with Newsome.

    203. Tgca says:


      Kamala is humping who in CA?

      I thought she was just a kneeler. Ask Willie Brown.

    204. Wes says:

      Ervin isn’t the only Dem up next year, Meldrim. Robin Hudson is also up, though I’m unclear on the status of her seeking reelection. She has to leave the Court in 2024 anyway because of constitutional age limits. Republicans swept the judicial races in 2020. There’s no reason to believe they can’t do it in 2022. Even a split results in a GOP majority. Dems are frantic because although they had great success in the NCSC elections from 2016 to 2018 and acquired a 6-1 majority, Republicans beat them in judicial races up and down the ballot last year. These kinds of megalomaniac excesses were a major reason why.

      I’m expecting similar results to 2020 next year.

    205. Meldrim says:

      Tgca, the same SCOTUS ruled that employers can’t discriminate because of sexual orientation ruled that a Christian baker has freedom of religion and cannot be compelled to bake a cake that would violate his beliefs. Again, the case was not about the baker refusing to serve gay customers–he did no such thing, and in fact the same-sex couple were existing customers of his–but about how the state can’t compel a citizen to express something that violates his beliefs.

      Your statement that “So before you accuse someone of intolerance you should go back and understand the history on this because this debate was had in the past, and you come across as intolerant to gays in your post to me” is completely out of line. I am not intolerant against gays, but I am wholly supportive of a citizen’s right not to be forced by the government to express beliefs that he does not hold. But if my support for freedom of religion and freedom of speech means that you will tar me as a homophobic bigot, well, bless your heart. But it is you who is being intolerant in the Christian baker case.

      I also find it appalling that you describe earning a living as a baker to be a “privilege” that the government extends to its subjects at its whim and pleasure, and for which the sovereign’s subjects must kowtow to whatever speech codes imposed upon them. You sound like a Leftist friend of mine who says that the money that we earn is what the government, in its munificence, allows us to keep. This is the second time in a couple of weeks that you have expressed such a statist, socialist view; the first time (when you asserted that the government granting a tax exemption to a religious charity (basically, that it won’t take away private property donated to the charity) was the equivalent of the government giving money to the Peace Corps), you claimed that I had misunderstood what you were saying, but, given what you wrote today, I don’t believe that I did.

      So, to sum up, you are intolerant of religious beliefs with which you disagree and are a full-blown statist, while I am unprejudiced yet couldn’t care less if you think that I’m prejudiced. You have every right to disagree with my assessment, but if you question my sincerity and motives you will be barking up the wrong tree.

    206. Tgca says:

      207. Wes

      Interesting point on age limits as I believe it is something that will come up in the future regarding important roles in gubbermint, especially after 3 more years of Biden.

      I think it is reasonable in gubbermint roles to consider age limitations or at least medical clearance to ensure folks can handle these jobs that have critical impacts on the nation.

      One example is SCOTUS. Is it reasonable to require age limits on these very demanding roles that in theory should require one to be at their best mental capacity and cognitive reasoning? I’m not sure if there’s a wrong or right answer but clearly we have seen this over the years where some politicians were no longer able to fulfill the duties of their office but allowed to stay in office. Is that really in the best interest of the people?

      This is not about discrimination as many jobs have age requirements or requirements that you meet certain capacities whether it be physical or cognitive.

      I do think Biden’s apparent condition warrants revisiting this across the board for certain jobs. We already have limitations on pilots, military, etc so why not for other gubbermint jobs reIying on cognitive abilities where they’re making important decisions. I believe certain countries have limitations on practicing surgery as well because cognitive abilities decrease with age.

      Now all people do not age the same either so that is a consideration as well as competency because you can have a 40 year-old idiot judge and a 75 year-old brilliant jurist.

      No easy answer here but sooner or later we may need standards to ensure the public is best served by those serving the public.

    207. Wes says:

      That’s a frequent problem in Congress, Tg. Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd, and Daniel Inouye were ineffective legislators at the time of their deaths between 2009 and 2012 but just wanted to die as Senators. Unfortunately the only way to establish age limits on constitutional positions is to pass a constitutional amendment.

      Until the partisan weaponization of the federal judiciary in 2001, federal judges who had outlived their usefulness on the bench retired under Presidents of the opposition party. For example, Charles Evans Hughes retired under Franklin Roosevelt while William O. Douglas and Thurgood Marshall retired under Gerald Ford and George H. W. Bush respectively.

      The extreme polarity of the parties since then led to a reversal of that trend. Famously despite advancing age and serious health problems, Ruth Bader Ginsburg tried to hang on while Trump was President. That didn’t work out that well, but it’s a sad commentary on the current state of US partisan politics.

      Age limits or functionality evaluations would negate this to some degree but are unlikely to become law.

    208. Phil says:

      Sounds like Republicans in NC have a sound strategy….for once. Now, to actually execute the game plan.

      What are the chances Republicans actually gain a seat through redistricting in NC, Wes.

    209. Meldrim says:

      #207, Wes, given that the article that you posted mentioned how the Democrats want to recuse two GOP justices from the voter-approved-amendments cases in order to permit Ervin to vote “no” but have the other three Democrats to carry the vote, I assume that Hudson will not be seeking reelection. If she were running for reelection in 2022, wouldn’t Democrats be just as worried about her “yes” vote as they are about Ervin casting a “yes” vote?

      I see that two NC justices (Republican CJ Newby and Democrat Morgan) will turn 72 in 2027, as will Ervin. So that 2024 gubernatorial election will be huge, since the winner will appoint two or (hopefully not) three justices.

      Wes, how come Democrat judges defeated three incumbent Republican justices in 2014-2018? I believe that the 2014 election was nonpartisan, but 2016 and 2018 were partisan elections. Hopefully NC doesn’t go back to electing Democrat judges.

    210. jason says:

      Jason, you’re turning into a nanny-stater in your old age.”

      Better that than a fascist like you.

    211. Meldrim says:

      Given what Wes explained about how Republicans are planning on passing redistricting maps at the last second and then stall so that the state Supreme Court doesn’t review the maps until 2023, I think that it is quite likely that the GOP legislature will draw an 11R-3D or at the very least a 10R-4D congressional district map. The current map is 8R-5D (NC gained a seat at the 2020 Census, which is why it will have 14 CDs for next year’s elections), so that’s a pretty good pickup. And the Democrat governor can’t say boo because the NC constitution does not grant him a veto on redistricting bills; the Democrats put that in there because they thought that, while a Republican would be elected governor once in a while, the legislature would always remain Democrat, which it did until the 2010 GOP wave was so big that it overtook the Democrat gerrymander and Republican majorities were elected to both houses right before the next redistricting.

    212. Meldrim says:

      #213, yawn.

    213. Tgca says:


      No Meldrim

      You don’t like people calling you on your BS. This is not about intolerance, it is about the merits of the issue.

      I am a religious person but I don’t buy into the indoctrination by religious radicals, left or right, that if you interpret something in the Bible one way then it’s your religious belief and should supersede laws.

      Please show where in the Bible it says one should not bake cakes for gays or cater services to them? Even if the Bible was specific on an issue it does not mean the law says you can do it because laws in the US are not based on the Bible even though care should be taken not to purposely trample on religious beliefs in lawmaking.

      Let me give you examples from the Bible where we have laws that do not allow you to supersede them no matter what you believe. There are many instances in the Bible advocating or relating to:

      Animal sacrifice in a public place
      Marrying or having relations with young teens
      Having multiple wives
      Beating your wife or kids into submission
      Murdering offenders
      Traveling around and setting down roots on land that you don’t have jurisdiction over

      There are many more. A man could not argue he will take a teen bride or multiple brides because the Bible has examples of that and it’s God’s calling so it’s his religious freedom to do so and any law violating his interpreted belief is discrimination.

      That is absurd and it is my point!

      SCOTUS did not give the baker a win on his freedom to bake a cake or not. SCOTUS gave him a win because they found he was denied due process and discriminatory statements were made against him by the Commission based on his religion, and I agree with SCOTUS on that, but I disagree with him to violate community rules that apply to all businesses.

      Sometimes there’s gray areas and courts have to weigh in but for you to deny it is a privilege to operate a business under in the US in most instances shows you know nothing of US business law.

      Many professions require licensing or qualifications to operate. As examples, you could not provide legal services, medical services, educational services, and even religious services as a business without following laws.

      Communities require standards to operate a business.

      One cannot just set up a business and disregard laws.

      Now you may not like these laws or think they’re unduly burdensome but in the US, it is legally considered a privilege to operate most businesses that require adhering to certain local, state, and federal rules or you can be shut down.

      In many areas, operating a business from your home requires a license. I am stating facts that have been in existing in the US for well over 100 years in most cases.

      Your comments suggest you want the Wild West and let anyone do what they want. Though that may be great in concept, it is not the law of the land,

      So in closing, most communities require those providing food services to the public to have a business license or meet their community standards. In this case, the baker may have failed to meet their standards but prevailed not because SCOTUS overruled the business standards argument but because he was treated with disdain and contempt by the local authorities because of his religion and denied due process normally allowed to others. There’s a difference and you should understand that.

      Operating a business as a privilege, and it is not a liberal or conservative concept, as similar operating business requirements exist all over the US regardless of politics.

    214. jason says:

      Meldrim thinks restaurant owners asking people for vaccination papers in restaurants is somehow an expression of freedom?

      Don’t you love it here?

      Poor bastard is really confused, he thinks discrimination and fascism is freedom. Freedom to discriminate is not freedom.

      There is nothing more nanny state than what is going on with COVID restrictions and vaccination and mask mandates, and what has been going on for over a year.

      There is no “choice” when you are discriminated against for not having papers.

      Freedom is actually the other way around. Restaurant owners should not discriminate, they should vaccinated or not you are welcome, you can stay away if you are afraid. THAT is freedom.

    215. Wes says:

      I’d have to look at the 2014 races, Meldrim, but 2016 was the result of stupidity by the Assembly. Republicans took away the straight ticket voting option and put the Dem running for NCSC in the top position when every other Republican also was in the top position on the ballot.

      In 2018, Republicans again changed the judicial election laws but had their vote split because of a weird quirk in the law. Chief Justice Mark Martin subsequently resigned, and Roy Cooper appointed Cherie Beasley to replace him.

      The excesses since 2019 have been a result of this series of catastrophic mistakes on the NCGOP’s part. Thankfully the Dems overreached and triggered a voter backlash last year. This new attempt to force Berger and Barringer to recuse themselves on a salient case is likely to produce similar results.

    216. NYCmike says:

      “but I disagree with him to violate community rules that apply to all businesses.”

      -Sorry, I need another clarification.

      If someone doesn’t make a particular product the way you want it, that is grounds for a lawsuit?

      The baker would have sold the couple a cake, but not exactly the way they wanted it…..which means the baker should be put out of business?

      I’m not following the logic here.

    217. Tgca says:

      Now that I’ve schooled you on the nuances of business law Meldrim, you can apologize and I will forgive you because unlike my good friend Bitter, I follow my Catholic faith in this regard and believe in forgiveness and redemption, as it forgiveness is a privilege and not a right!

      Forgetting…well, that’s another issue my faith doesn’t take an official stance on, unluckily for you.

    218. Tgca says:


      That is not in facts here NYC.

      But yes, if someone doesn’t adhere to the expectations you agree upon in a contract, oral or written, there may be grounds for legal recourse but usually that does not require closing a business, though in some cases it could depending on the legal issues.

      We see this all the time in a Corporate Amerika. For example, I know many companies that will not pay a vendor if they did not deliver as promised or require them to fix or replace the product or service at their cost if not delivered as expected. Of course the devils in the details and often litigation sorts that out. I’ve come across a number of these over the years but one stands out where we got like a $10 million dollar credit for equipment installed that did function as expected. The manufacturer probably did not want to destroy their reputation and thought the $10 million was worth it to their business interest. It was regarding equipment used in the public domain so had it been determined to be unsafe, it could have caused them to be shut down by law but it never got to that in this case.

    219. Tina says:

      How quickly do the gop-e and the feckless leadership run to support this?

      Stephen Miller
      · 1h
      ALERT: Biden just sent Congress his Administration’s policy “riders” for the Gov’t Funding Bill (Continuing Resolution). They include lifetime welfare & path to citizenship for every unvetted Afghan national Biden has randomly flown—or will fly—into US, and their relatives. 1/10

    220. Tina says:

      Yes, let’s have vaxx passports.

      Let’s have Kampala’s police force stop people on the streets.

    221. Tgca says:

      221. NYC

      I should clarify I mean it never got there because they never had a contract to begin with is my understanding. The baker and gay couple never had a contract and the couple filed complaints based on discrimination which is another matter requiring legal review.

      Again, I don’t think gay people should purposely be targeting religious folks to make a lesson of them which may have been the case here based on some side facts reported upon but I don’t recall all those gory details.

    222. Tgca says:

      But back to the original issue here where Jadon and I disagree with Meldrim which is that restaurants should not be asking for vax proof and they should not be put into that position by gubbermint either. Vax requirements in this case is an example of fascist philosophy that has no place in Democratic societies.

      That’s why this needs to be litigated because it’s not going to go away and there’s going to be contradicting application within communities throughout the US that can cause harm to people and businesses.

      SCOTUS needs to decide on this nationally but it’s gonna take its time to work through the courts unfortunately.

    223. Bitterlaw says:

      Damn. I missed a discussion about contract law, HIPPA, and constructional law.

    224. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 44% of American Adults have a favorable impression of Fauci, including 27% whose view of him is Very Favorable. Forty-two percent (42%) view Fauci unfavorably, including 29% whose opinion of him is Very Unfavorable. Fourteen percent (14%) are not sure.”

    225. Wes says:

      Tg, have you ever watched Kurosawa’s Yojimbo and Sanjuro? I just bought the Criterion Collection Blu-ray edition of both movies. I’ve never watched Sanjuro all the way through yet, but Yojimbo is right behind Hara-kiri and Rashomon as my favorite jidaigeki.

    226. Meldrim says:

      Tgca, it doesn’t matter one whit whether you don’t think that the Bible prohibits same-sex marriage, what matters is that the baker’s sincerely held beliefs do not permit him to participate in a same-sex wedding. If the government forces him to bake a cake to celebrate a same-sex wedding, it is coercing him to express an opinion (“same-sex weddings are fine and dandy–let’s celebrate!”) that violate his religious beliefs. And while the government’s police power permits it to regulate health and safety standards at a bakery (although, as I mentioned earlier, I think that such regulation often is intrusive and unnecessary, and it would not be the end of the world if it was eliminated), that does not mean that it can make espousing a particular point of view to be a precondition to being able to operate a business. The government can say that delis must have a door that opens to the outside of the building and that they must pass a health inspection, but it can’t make it a condition to their operation that they place a sign that says “Christ is King” or “Black Lives Matter” or “Abortion Stops a Beating Heart” or “My Body My Choice” or, yes, “Love is Love.” And forcing a baker to participate in a same-sex wedding through a specially designed cake is just as much coerced speech as it would be if the baker was forced to put up one of those signs.

      I’m an attorney, and I am now authorized to perform wedding ceremonies. I have told everybody who asks that I do not perform wedding ceremonies, and I never will do so. The reason is that I have seen what the gay lobby has done to people of faith who dare to invoke their right not to participate in a same-sex wedding, whether it be bakers, wedding photographers, website designers, etc. If I perform a single wedding ceremony, and then tell a same-sex couple that I cannot participate in their wedding ceremony, the Lambda League or what have you will claim that I’m discriminating against same-sex couples and that I should lose my license to practice law. Of course, it’s easy for me to forgo officiating at weddings (and thus, avoid a claim of discrimination), since that’s not how I earn a living, but bakers, wedding photographers, etc. don’t have that luxury, and when the gay lobby goes after them it’s their livelihood that’s on the line.

      I stand with those who just want to earn a living without the government violating their First Amendment rights.

    227. SoHope says:

      I think the NCGOP can be very agressive with redistricting. As Wes said the Dem gov can’t stop them and the GOP will likely control the NC Supreme Court in 2022.
      I think they will have all but 3 dem seats (2 in Raleigh-Durham and 1 in Charlotte). I’m certain they could gerrymander NC-1 and split the Winston-Salem/Greensboro seat. NET +3 seats in NC. GA will pick up 3 or 4 seats.

    228. Bitterlaw says:

      Restaurant owners should not discriminate, they should vaccinated or not you are welcome, you can stay away if you are afraid.

      I am against vaccine passports. I am not afraid of the vaccine or the virus. I think if a business is open, it should be open to all. But I want to be clear on what jason is saying. Is he saying that a 70 year old Tyoe 2 diabetic with asthma has to either accept all customers or have no income?

    229. Tgca says:

      229. Meldrim

      I agree with you on most of your views and about gubbermint intrusion. I also agree that many in the gay community go after the religious right to persecute them for their beliefs but I also know the religious community has done similar in the past to gays but not as vocally anymore due to unwanted media and community attention so either way it’s wrong in my view on both sides.

      But forcing beliefs on folks through a legal process is not my issue here.

      My issue is if you are in the business of providing a service and you provide that service for all except those that you disagree with based on your beliefs, and there are laws that say you can’t discriminate based on beliefs, that’s where I have the issue of fairness in applying the law because you are violating the law that others are expected to follow.

      For example, if the city/state had no anti-discrimination laws and he refused to bake a cake, I’d say fine by me and he should not be subject to the city bully pulpit to force him to comply be ages that’s just PC hogwash.

      But if the city/state has laws that require businesses to follow specific rules or lose their right to operate a business or some other penalty, no matter unfair that may be, and if it is legal, then it should be enforced across the board unless there are codified exceptions to the rule.

      That may seem unfair but as you know, many rules are unfair or unduly burdensome. I used to do tax work a few decades ago and the IRS code and regulations are one of the most unduly burdensome set of rules around and often unfair and discriminatory too but if it is the law you generally have three options:

      1. Follow the law blindly
      2. Follow the law and try to get it changed or challenge it
      3. Don’t follow the law and suffer the consequences

      For example, in Federal Tax Court, you usually have to pay the taxes and penalties and sue for a refund because the burden is on the taxpayer to prove the law is wrong.

      But it seems wrong to allow him an exemption on his belief but not allow others exemptions on their beliefs. If everyone is allowed exemptions on their beliefs than the legal system would be a mess and laws to protect the public would be at jeopardy.

      …and again, like it or not, operating a business in most circumstances is a gubbermint privilege and not a right. I know there are some SCOTUS cases that have upheld this philosophy over the years going back since Walt was a toddler…ok…maybe not that long but dozens decades or so at a minimum.

      So in closing, we agree more than not here except that I do not believe personal beliefs trump the law if such laws exist, otherwise, I could say I believe Jews are evil people and it would go against everything I believe to serve the Jews in my business or recognize anything to do with their religion.

      For the record, I love Jewish people.

      Jewish people are wonderful people.

      I know many many Jews.

      I have many Jewish friends.

      I even thought of being a Jew.

      Jews make the best noodle kugel and knishes.

    230. Tgca says:

      229. Meldrim

      …and I’m sorry that you feel many in the gay mafia have forced you to make choices in your service you wish you did not have to in order to protect yourself. Not fair.

      But I find most of the older gays (45+ years old) that think this way is because of decades of indoctrination of being treated as less than human because of their sexual orientation and being openly discriminated against. I think the younger gays have not experienced this nearly as much and are just in their young and stoopid phase not thinking through issues.

      I can tell you I myself have been discriminated against for being gay over the years or had to sit through insulting and humiliating and condescending remarks and just suck it up.

      Unfortunately, that’s life! Poop happens! You make an effort to move on. But I know many gays can’t and that’s why you find many gays who are conservative, in say business and law enforcement, still can’t force themselves to join forces with conservatives after decades of discrimination and abuse.

      I may be an a-hole and penis at times but I truly believe in redemption and forgiveness so for me it’s not as hard to align with conservatism otherwise.

    231. Cash Cow TM says:

      Driving with Walt this afternoon and flipping thru radio channels.

      CNN had a news story about how 9/11 touched off a lot of islamaphobia.

      Also had a story (Jake Tapper) of how “…90% of George Washington’s troops during the Revolutionary War died from disease…”[George lost 90% of all his troops!!!] and how Washington ordered all his troops get vaccinated against “disease” (I guess they meant smallpox).
      But Jenner did not invent the smallpox vaccine until 1796… I guess then meant inoculation…
      [Google search says somewhere between 5% and 10% of the soldiers who did get innoculated died from it.]

      MSLSD had a long piece about how China was doing social engineering on Chinese families–kids can only do 3 hours of video games, put restrictions of families hiring tutors for their kids, etc.
      They said it stirred memories of the cultural revolution instituted decades earlier by
      “Mousey Tongue” (whoever that is…)

    232. Tgca says:

      228 Wes

      I’m terrible with remembering movie names but I looked it up. I believe I saw the 1st movie as the clip I looked at looks very familiar. I don’t think I saw Sanjuro though.

      In my yoot, I used to watch tons of Asian martial arts movies, as well as the Asian cinematic dramatic flares of the 90s like Gong Li, the queen of Asian doom and despair.

      A number of years back, I got into Korean movies on Netflix as well, mainly crime dramas and revenge flicks. They are often done very well and gritty and rarely does the good guy come out unscathed or surviving which is very different than the western cinematic culture on similar genres where despite it all you might feel good in the end as the good guy hobbles away. I found the Korean movies often upsetting but alluring at the same time.

      I find a lot of Asian movies to be very heart-wrenching and full of sadness and immense loss but triumphant in spirit despite it all. I think a lot of that has to do with cultural challenges many faced in the wars of the 20th century and beforehand. We still think of how many atrocities Germany inflicted on Europe in WW2 but forget the atrocities China and others endured by the Japanese.

    233. NYCmike says:

      -“CG”‘s, and Biden’s, America!

    234. Tgca says:


      I don’t think Jadon said that Bitter.

      I think Jadon is saying vax papers are fascist in nature and people should not give into this fascism.

      I’ve seen some clips where certain restaurants in NYC are refusing to require vax papers so it’ll be interesting to see what the gubbermint does about them too.

      Are they gonna go after the unvaccinated and their underground supporters in the restaurant business too? How many people will they piss off doing this?

      I know it’s not the same but this eerily looks like what the Nazis were doing in their heyday, and the fact that the MSM is championing it and many people are fine with it is what is disturbing.

    235. Tgca says:


      White people attack a black man man in public and the MSM is silent because he’s not the right type of black male.

      Where is BLM on this?

    236. Wes says:

      Watching RiffTrax make fun of Grizzly (1976), a ripoff of Jaws featuring the titular animal.

      One of the most hilarious jokes thus far:

      One thing they forgot to prepare for is what to do if the bear shows up.

    237. Wes says:

      I’m guessing you’ve seen Old Boy then, Tg.

    238. Bitterlaw says:

      I’m an attorney, and I am now authorized to perform wedding ceremonies.

      Where? I know Judges in PA and NJ can perform weddings but I have not heard of attorneys with this role.

    239. Phil says:

      Best thing about redistricting? Watching Democrats redistrict Adam Kinzinger out of his House seat. Between getting rid of him once and for all and watching Liz Cheney go down in flames in the primary I don’t know which will be more delicious.

      Speaking of useful Republican idiots, where is Corey? Is he still in hiding?

    240. NYCmike says:

      “Where is BLM on this?”

      -House hunting in the Hollywood Hills…..

    241. Tgca says:

      240 Wes

      I have seen Old Boy, the original and the US remake.

    242. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      @ShellenbergerMD Sep 7
      “62 percent of sampled college students believe the climate on their campus prevents them from sharing their views on social and political issues, mostly because they fear backlash from professors and other students.”

    243. Tgca says:

      I did not notice before but the white woman that tried to attack Larry Elder was wearing a gorilla mask. Coincidence?

      Where is the MSM 24 hour cycle of racist rants on this?

      How come BLM has not rioted and burned downed buildings when a white woman in a gorilla mask tries to attack a black candidate? Surely, she is trying to intimidate him.

    244. Tgca says:

      245. SDC

      I feel the same way at HHR. That’s why I keep my thoughts to myself.

    245. Tgca says:

      Ok. This is a serious point to make but no need for posters in the tweet to make fun of a sick teen in a hospital. I pray she comes out of this fine.

      Clearly, this unvaccinated 16 year-old girl appears morbidly obese from the pics and that should be something of concern for her and her family and also may be the reason she got seriously sick from Covid, being in a high risk group, as we understand obesity plays a major role in the data trend we see with those that get Covid illness severely that are not elderly. I hope her mom goes beyond blaming others for not being vaccinated and wearing masks to addressing how her daughter can be so obese at a young age and get her help and on the road to a healthier and less risky and more appropriate weight. Unhealthy lifestyles in kids is usually a problem stemming from uninvolved good parenting.

      But at the same time for the media to push a story that states she is a healthy 16 year-old who is not vaccinated and implies that if folks wear a mask or get vaccinated then this would not likely have been an issue for her defies logic for two main reasons.

      1st, we know the vax does not appear to provide protection against getting Covid since numerous reports are reporting significant rates of Covid infection among the vaccinated throughout the world.

      2nd, we know masks do not generally provide protection unless you’re wearing an N95 mask, as most other masks have been shown not to stop the virus.

      So here’s wishing this young girl a speedy recovery and a shot at a positive lifestyle change.

      Tweet Link:

      MSM Link:

    246. Tgca says:

      Youngkin internal polling done 8/30 – 9/2 by WPA Intelligence Survey shows Youngkin takes 2 point lead over McCauliffe in 3-way VA Gubbernor race, and they’re tied in 2-way race.

      Not sure how good this internal poll is but take it for what it’s worth. From what I see they have a so-so record of accuracy in the past.

    247. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Are Winston Churchill’s grandchildren and Foundation trying to cancel him? Many Brits think so. I do too after reading the below article from the Daily Mail.
      This may be the most deplorable example yet of Cancel Culture!

    248. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      If I recall correctly, you were a Chris Christie fan in the 2016 GOP Presidential Primaries. If so, this should delight you:

      ““Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is launching a comeback tour as he considers whether to mount a 2024 presidential bid that could put him on a collision course with Donald Trump,” Politico reports.”

    249. Bitterlaw says:

      I really liked and respected Christie in 2016. Still do. However, I think his time has passed regardless of whether Trump runs.

    250. Tgca says:


      Agree that Christie time has passed. It passed in 2012.

      He has been sticking his finger in the wind the last few years trying to decide which way it’s blowing so I’m not sure he has any real commitment to any current cause other than his own rehabilitation after a disastrous 2nd term. He may have been fine for the Sewer State in his 1st term but then became ineffective in his 2nd term and would be disastrous with the current GOP base because he’s more like MD’s Hogan than say DeSantis which is where the current GOP base is moving.

      I think politicians generally have a shelf like for higher office. Christie’s has expired.

    251. Tgca says:

      I would not say I really like or respect Christie because I think he’s been wobbly the last few years, and I don’t mean by the way he moves but his positions. He seems to want to redeem himself after losing his appeal in his 2nd term as gubbernor and occasionally cozy’s up to the MSM talking points, perhaps to stay relevant or get air time.

    252. Tgca says:

      This “cutie” gay 22 year-old teacher threatened with termination after only a couple weeks on the job has resigned and plans on filing civil rights complaints about a hostile work environment because he was told to take down the gay flag from his class as well as other messaging relating to political activism regarding gender issues and making his class a safe haven for all regardless of their gender.

      He was known in his community for being a BLM liberal activist while in college and has in the past admitted to criticizing his community and stating he harbored resentment against them but then has chosen to come back there to teach.

      He was hired as a junior high school teacher to teach speech and theater and after a parent complaint of indoctrination, he was told not to discuss his sexuality or gender politics or give assignments on them to his students, and to remove the gay flag and political activist references from his class. This offended him and he informed his students why he had to remove the flag and that if anyone was offended by who he was, they could transfer out which only resulted in more complaints of attempted indoctrination so he chose to resign after two weeks on the job.

      Clearly, he should win a multi-million dollar settlement after 2 weeks because he can’t use his bully pulpit status as a teacher to discuss his sexuality, gender issues and what safe environments should look like in his speech and theater class to teens.

      If you can’t discuss gender issues and sexuality to a bunch of 13 to 15 year old kids in speech or math classes, then where can you discuss it? This is soooooo unfair to this stud.

    253. Phil says:

      Soooo, some Democrats now openly threatening Investigating and sending Manchin’s daughter to prison if he doesn’t play ball on the full three and a half trillion.

      Corey must be so proud.

    254. Tgca says:

      Yes Bishes! YES!!!

      White House to withdraw controversial ATF nominee David Chipman.

      I could not stand this radical gun grabbing lefty POS!

    255. Phil says:

      Schumer’s says it’s “full speed ahead” on the 3.5 trillion.

      Bernie Sanders says the “3.5Trillion is already a major compromise”. Geez, Bernie. Say what?? That was a compromise?

      These people are nuts.

    256. Meldrim says:

      #241, Bitter, I should have clarified. Puerto Rico is a Civil Code jurisdiction, and only attorneys may be notaries, which is how it was under Spanish rule–and still is that way in much of continental Europe (Spain, Portugal, Italy for sure, and I believe that France and some others as well) and Latin America. Acting as a notary is an integral part of just about any corporate attorney in Puerto Rico, since real estate transactions, creation of partnerships, etc. must be done in public deeds before a notary. The one deviation from the traditional Latin Notary practice here in Puerto Rico is that, due to a change made by American administrators upon Puerto Rico becoming a U.S. territory, any attorney who takes a law-school course on Notarial Law and passes a special notarial bar exam may be a notary in Puerto Rico. In other Latin Notary jurisdictions, the government designates a particular attorney/notary for each geographic area into which the country is divided (usually based on population–around 100,000 per district), and such attorney/notary has a monopoly on all business transactions in his bailiwick that require notarization. The U.S. administration was aghast at how well-connected attorneys would profit from such scheme, and democratized the system.

      Anyhow, a few years ago, Puerto Rico followed some other states (Florida comes to mind) in authorizing notaries to perform marriage ceremonies. Recently, some couples who don’t want to (or can’t, because of the prior divorce by one of them) get married in church have asked their attorney/notary friends to officiate their wedding ceremony, and I have some friends that have done so for free, but, when people have asked me whether I would perform such services, I’ve emphatically said “no.” Even if I did so for free and for a friend, so that it was obvious that I was not in the business of performing wedding ceremonies (which is what gets bakers, etc. in trouble), I am not interested in being placed at the mercy of a judicial system that seems to take any claim of discrimination against the LGBT+ community as an excuse to “teach people a lesson.”

    257. Cash Cow TM says:

      the big statue of Gen. R.E. Lee in Richmond has now been removed.

      Persons of color throughout the world now sleep comfortably at night.

      All world problems are now solved.
      P.S. I know where there is a statue of R.E. Lee mounted on his horse not more than 15 miles from my house. Shhh!

    258. Tgca says:


      So I guess if I decide to marry the hot dude in my 255 post I can ask Meldrim to officiate since I doubt my Catholic Church will do the honors. Good to know.

      As a Catholic, I want a Catholic Church wedding in an old Cathedral like NYC St. Patrick’s or even St. Peters and Paul in Philly, as long as we don’t get assaulted and mugged during the ceremony since the crime is so rampant in Philly.

    259. Meldrim says:

      “I know where there is a statue of R.E. Lee mounted on his horse not more than 15 miles from my house.”

      Wow, Traveller must be over 150 years old! And he’s still strong enough to stand with a statue of Lee mounted on him? Those Virginia horses were made to last!

    260. Tgca says:


      I saw the clip of them removing the statue yesterday. It’s sad when we have to erase our history, good or bad because of snowflakes.

      What’s next? Remove Washington and Jefferson from Mt. Rushmore since they owned slaves? Maybe replace them with JFK and Obama.

    261. Bitterlaw says:


      Beautiful cathedral. There is a legend that when it was being built, the builders hired strong men to throw bricks as high as they could at the building. The stained glass windows were then installed above that height so they would not be broken during the anti-Catholic riots prevalent then.

    262. Tgca says:

      I think I’ll have 6 groomsmen in my party to include native Philadelphian Bitter so he can educate all on the Cathedral’s history. Maybe my bachelor party will include throwing bricks around in Philly to see who can chuck them the highest and farthest.

    263. Tgca says:

      So 3-month babies are now racist I see per Google training.


    264. Tgca says:

      Oh no!

      Biden administration to mandate COVID vaccine for federal workers, contractors.

      DOJ says it’s legal under emergency orders. They encourage private businesses to do the same.

      What happens if people refuse. They will vote hundreds of thousands of experienced workers. Maybe millions?

      I guess unemployment claims will sky rocket.

    265. Wes says:

      You know, Tg, I have a theory:

      Someone behind the scenes feeds these race hucksters such absolutely loony ideas and encourages them to spout them for the sole purpose of illustrating the idiocy of their attempt at making money by claiming racism in literally everything.

      I can’t explain something this flagrantly moronic any other way.

    266. Tgca says:


      Black Babies Matter!!!

      Those little white babies piss me off with their white privilege. I always hated that f*ckin Gerber baby. Probably from Radnor or some place similar I bet.

    267. NYCmike says:

      “I can’t explain something this flagrantly moronic any other way.”

      -Glenn Beck wrote “The Overton Window”, showing that extremists use this as a strategy.

      Of course it’s moronic……until you get enough liberal Democrats to FEEL that its true, along with a friendly Big Tech, and then it gets pushed further and further.

      Not that complicated, actually, especially when at least 50% of the population isn’t paying attention to anything the other side SAYS, and also isn’t paying attention to anything it’s own leaders DO.

    268. Tgca says:

      U.S. Red Cross says no blood from vaccinated people

      This is confusing now. A couple of weeks ago there was an article stating The Red Cross had more than enough blood stored.

      Now this story reports that they DO NOT have significant stores of unvaccinated blood so they’re looking for unvax blood.

      Does that mean I can use this as an excuse not to take the vax? If everyone gets vax then there’s no need for “pure” blood anymore.

      I wonder if vampires prefer vax or unvax blood. Hmmm…

    269. Wes says:

      Why the hell would vaccinations for a RESPIRATORY DISEASE matter for blood donation?

    270. NYCmike says:

      Wes keeps asking WHY…….as if Democrats have any other reason to do something, other than pure power.

    271. Tgca says:


      It appears the link is gone now. I keep reading conflicting info from the Red Cross.

      I do understand that they may not want people who just tested positive to donate as active virus may be running through their blood but I don’t get why they can’t just simplify it.

      Can you donate if vaccinated? Yes or no?

      Can you donate if unvaccinated? Yes or no?

      Can vaccinated people receive blood from unvaccinated donors? Yes or no?

      Can unvaccinated people receive blood from vaccinated donors? Yes or no?

    272. GF says:

      VA-GOV: Poll conducted for Youngkin, so salt to taste;

      Tied in a two way at 48, Youngkin leads 48-46-3 with Blanding included. For me, I don’t care about the topline, just the trend. It’s going to be close, probably a turnout election at this point (and I think we knew that going into it anyhow).

    273. Tina says:

      Tom Elliott
      · 2h
      .@PressSec defends Fauci lying about funding gain-of-function research in China: It was a “different” Coronavirus; “what he said was correct”

    274. lisab says:

      well now everyone has to get vaccinated …

      or else

    275. lisab says:

      show some respect!

    276. Tina says:

      Whitehead will fire off another letter

      The Bias
      GAETZ: “How can we trust Kevin McCarthy to go beyond talking tough to Nancy Pelosi when he won’t even stand up to Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger?”

    277. lisab says:

      tripling down on vaccines and masks

      now fines are doubled! and required!

    278. lisab says:

      new hhr rule

      you must be vaccinated to post here

      get your lisab vaccination cards for only $29.99

      and if you act now, a free carbon credit with your purchase!

    279. GF says:

      I’ve never been high on McCarthy (he’s been my mother’s rep since 2008, always helpful to her with local issues, to be fair), so I would not mind another person becoming Speaker if the GOP takes control next year as I expect. Heck, Gaetz floated the idea of Trump being elected Speaker. Frankly, I’d rather have Trump there than running for POTUS again.

    280. Robbie says:

      How many more presidential medals of freedom does Jason fraud want to give Fauci for helping author Biden’s authoritarian vaccination mandate?

    281. Wes says:

      GF, even assuming the House would elect a non-member Speaker (not going to happen), Trump would be Gingrich ’97-’98 2.0. That is, he’d be a major distraction without the big ideas Gingrich spearheaded in ’95 and ’96. Republicans should follow Sam Rayburn’s advice and have a Speaker most Americans can’t automatically identify.

      Dennis Hastert met this criterion in early ’99. That’s why Republicans picked him over Dick Armey and Tom Delay. Kevin McCarthy may not be ideal as potential Speaker, but Republicans should seek out a type resembling Hastert from ’99-’05–sans the child molestation of course–to be successful after next year’s elections.

    282. jason says:

      Amoral Scumbag still breathlessly talking about Fauci while Biden destroys the country.

    283. jason says:

      According to sources, Joe Biden will announce that all employers with over 100 employees will be required to vaccinate their employees or administer weekly COVID-19 tests to those who can’t or won’t get the jab.

      According to Fox News, the mandate will affect 80 million Americans. ”

      I am sure Meldrim will be having an orgasm as he hails this new “step towards freedom”.

    284. Phil says:

      Shut up, Robbie. I don’t like Fauci’. I like you even less. Troll.

    285. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      A rambling, unintelligent speech by Biden. He appears to be attempting to put Afghanistan behind him by trying to make the unvaccinated the new evil scapegoat.

      I don’t think it will be an effective strategy; even a large number of those who have been vaccinated (myself included) respect the right of people to make a choice of whether to be vaccinated or not. There are some situations where vaccination should be required, such as medical or airline employees, but otherwise it should a personal decision. The president should encourage people to be vaccinated, using persuasion and factual information. Clearly, the mentally impaired Biden is not capable of doing this, so instead he engaged in hectoring and browbeating. It was counterproductive.

      The larger, fundamental issue that Biden avoided is the vaccine has actually failed to do what it was originally claimed it would do: prevent a vaccinated individual from becoming infected. The original definition of a vaccine, as stated by the CDC, is to”stimulate a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease.” It was to prevent infection. This what we were told would happen when the vaccine was first introduced. It did not happen, those who are vaccinated are able to be infected, and infect others. The vaccine did help prevent serious illness. Recently, the CDC changed its definition of vaccine to state it was “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.” It has become a treatment for disease.

      The problem is that, even though the current vaccine defends against serious illness; the virus still remains transmissible, and will continue to spread — creating the possibility of new, and possibly more deadly, variants and indefinite continuation of the epidemic.

      The last several months have been disastrous for Biden; both his Afghanistan and coronavirus strategies have failed. And he cannot give a coherent explaination pf why in either situation.

    286. lisab says:


      he just did that

      get the jab or lose your job

    287. Phil says:


      Excellent post.

    288. Meldrim says:

      #286, Jason, GFY. You know damn well that I have said consistently that the government should stay the hell out of the way of private businesses, whether to tell them to mandate vaccinations or to prohibit them from mandating vaccinations. Biden’s order is an abuse of power, made even more outrageous because it comes from the federal level and is not related to the federal government’s enumerated powers.

    289. Tgca says:

      291 Meldrim

      We know you are new to posting here but you should know the rules. We debate respectfully of one another and do not use profanity against each other or to make a point.

      Show some respect please!

    290. Country Dick Montana says:

      Whenever Robbie posts just remember;

      $1000 to the Biden campaign
      $500 to ActBlue.

      All while claiming to be a Republican.

    291. Cash Cow TM says:

      “you must be vaccinated to post here”

      Cow has all of her shots.

    292. Tgca says:

      So I hear all these politicians are upset including gubbernors over King Joe ‘s decree.

      But what will they do? I don’t care about words. I want to know what will they do to counteract this.

      This should be fast tracked to SCOTUS immediately before it causes mass chaos. It will tell people where the US is headed based on SCOTUS decision.

      Will we be a nation built on individual freedoms outlined in the constitution or will we move to socialism where a few elite dictate the will of the people?

      This is up there with what FDR did to Japanese Americans in WW2.

      If King Joe can mandate a vaccine on an illness that has a 99.7% survival rate, higher if you factor out the elderly, then he can pretty much mandate anything and that is a dangerous precedent for the US.

    293. Country Dick Montana says:

      What are the banned words here?

    294. Country Dick Montana says:

      Any Rand wrote some bad fiction with wooden characters. But apparently she was able to see 60 years into the future.

    295. Tgca says:

      USPS exempt from Biden vax mandate for 100M workers

      So business with more than 100 employees are mandated on vaccines or face $14,000 fine per incident but 650,000 postal employees are exempt?


    296. Bitterlaw says:

      Robbie can fly a jet but he could never figure out the much simpler task of hating Trump but still supporting him on Election Day.

    297. Tgca says:

      Thweeee Hundwid bishes!

      Thweeee Hundwid I thay!

    298. Tina says:

      Gop-e and the flaccid leaders have a messaging issue
      GOP be like “I support the vax, I got the vax, you should all get the vax, please go get the vax, we encourage you to get the vax, but making people get the vax is too far.”

      Just totally out of touch and ceding 100% of the narrative to the framing of the machine.

    299. Tina says:

      Weak- what are you going to do?

      Kevin McCarthy
      · 2h
      President Biden has made small business an enemy of his administration. Forcing main street to vax or pay a fine will not only crush an economy he’s put on life support—it’s flat-out un-American.

      To Joe Biden, force is more important than freedom. Americans won’t stand for it.

    300. Tina says:

      Get vaxxed or get fired

      – Biden 2021

      (Supported by the Rinos)

    301. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “Why are Washington’s corrupt elites so silent about the disaster in Afghanistan? Because the myth of Joe Biden’s competence just got taken hostage by the Taliban.”

    302. Pitchaboy says:

      Mr. Biden has done a constitutional overreach with these mandates. But there is no denying the fact the unvaccinated are costing us a lot. As Bitter likes to say: both can be true.

    303. Wes says:

      I’m trying to figure out why Tina has a problem with what McCarthy said.

    304. Tina says:

      The unvaccinated are Biden’s base. Minority drats.

    305. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “Sixty-four percent (64%) of voters believe it’s time for the nation to move forward by adapting to the ongoing nature of the pandemic. A Scott Rasmussen national survey found that just 24% want to lockdown again until the pandemic is completely behind us.
      Support for moving forward rather than locking down comes from 78% of Republicans, 59% of Independents, and 53% of Democrats.
      When it comes to deciding which businesses are safe to visit, 53% of voters nationwide think individual Americans should decide for themselves. Thirty-one percent (31%) think Governors and Mayors should make that decision.
      On this question there is a partisan divide. Seventy percent (70%) of Republicans think individual Americans should decide for themselves. By a 50% to 33% margin, Democrats place their trust in Governors and Mayors.
      As for independents, 53% trust individual Americans and 22% are more comfortable letting elected officials decide.”

    306. Bitterlaw says:

      Pitch – Welcome back. Be careful. Vaccines are not popular here. Maybe you can address Tina’s comment that the unvaccinated are primarily minorities.

    307. Bitterlaw says:

      If people want to get vaccinated, they should. If they don’t, I don’t care. It seems to make sense that getting vaccinated is better for most people than not. Give us some science, Pitch.

    308. Tina says:

      Bl, there are several studies suggesting that. Also, a larger percentage of the un vaxxed are of lower income.

      In short, not .typical Republican voters.

      I personally would encourage, but not mandate a person to get the vaccine. While it is not perfect, it may prevent bad outcomes. It won’t prevent hospilizarions though, however, as data from England and Israel (high vax rates)

      Too bad Ccp Biden made people not trust the vax. He told people not to get a trump,vaccine during thr campaign. He also wore multiple masks, which raises questions about the vaccine,

    309. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      305. My hunch is if Pitchboy had been the one encouraging people to get vaccinated based on his medical experience, rather than Biden threatening them, the amount of people motivated to get vaccinated would be enormously higher.

    310. Tina says:

      Kampala was even worse in her comments t about the Trump Vaccine.

    311. Tina says:

      Ultimately, leave it up to the person to decide.

      Btw, what a terrible week for the stock market, after the bad jobs number and evidence of a rapidly slowing economy mounts,

    312. Pitchaboy says:

      1. Since the beginning of this year over 95% hospitalization are unvaccinated
      2. 99.2% deaths are unvaccinated
      3. Vaccine does not eliminate risk of Covid. It reduces it significantly
      4. What it does real well is a massive reduction of risk of serious illness and death.
      Taking it, in my humble opinion, is a no brainer.

    313. Pitchaboy says:

      Unvaccinated, in my experience, fall into: 1. Not college educated 2. Minorities 3. Rural folk. Slightly more D than R, but not a lot.

    314. Bitterlaw says:

      So not just “Minority drats.” A Tina-Pitch fight is brewing.

    315. Tgca says:


      Actually, Tina is correct. I posted a chart state by state showing that AA and Latino are lagging behind on vaccination, as a percentage of the population by 10 to 30% in many states including blue states.

      That data was as of early August from a gubbermint funded group that tracks the state by state numbers. I will see if I can find updated data.

    316. Tgca says:

      Numerous reports from around the world are showing the vaccinated are the ones appearing to be spreading the virus. They just don’t get as sick when they get it.

      So if the concern is death, yes, unvaccinated are dying at much higher percentage but if you’re tracking sickness, the vaccinated are just as likely or more likely to get sick now as the immunity appears to be receding over many months.

      This is because they are not wearing masks and congregating in crowds thinking they’re safe when we now know those vaccinated are just as likely or close to it to carry the virus, and some reports state at higher viral loads.

      Israel is definitive proof of this where they have like 95% vaccinated but in a crisis with infections among vaccinated.

    317. Tgca says:

      I know of 3 people that were fully vaccinated months ago that got sick with Covid last month. They did not go to the hospital but they were in bed for a few days with typical symptoms and all lost sense of taste.

      One of them is a vigilant social distancer and mask wearer. He recently switched from the typical mostly useless face masks to now wearing N95 masks after recovering, realizing those other masks were useless because he got Covid wearing them all day at work or when out and about.

    318. lisab says:

      you don’t need a vax if you are on welfare

      what if the government made vax a requirement for a welfare check?

    319. Tina says:

      The vaxx passports would adversely hit minorities.

      It’s Jim Crow 2.0.

    320. Cash Cow TM says:

      Speaking of vacinations…

      Several days ago there was a news story of 14 school employees in Miami-Dade FL died from COVID.

      I have since heard news reports that
      –all 14 WERE fully vacinated
      –all 14 were NOT fully vacinated.


    321. Tgca says:

      I will post below the posts from Aug 22nd showing vaccination by state by Non-Hispanic whites, AA, and Hispanic.

    322. Tgca says:

      See below currently vaccinated % by state as of Aug 2nd for 42 states + DC. I guess they did not have data for 9 states. Source is below.

      1st column is White % vaccinated
      2nd column is AA % vaccinated
      3rd column is Latino% vaccinated

      On average the percentage of whites vaccinated over AA and Latino is 1.1 to 1.3 which is significant differences meaning AA and Latinos are lagging getting vaccinated.

      Even though the volume of non-Hispanic whites is greater in the population, AA and Latinos tend to live in more congested areas so this could mean a larger spread of Covid by a smaller segment of the population but I’ve not seen exact stats on that yet. We did see earlier on that in FL, the areas with the most Covid were the more congested and populated areas.

      US. 49. 38. 43
      AL. 34. 34. 30
      AK. 39. 48. 31
      AZ. 46. 33. 27
      CA. 61. 46. 45
      CO. 61. 49. 31
      CT. 65. 45. 53
      DE. 53. 40. 45
      DC. 44. 34. 47
      FL. 52. 28. 44
      GA. 41. 36. 35
      ID. 30. 35. 23
      IN. 46. 36. 39
      IA. 48. 24. 31
      KS. 41. 35. 38
      KY. 42. 37 NR
      LA. 40. 40. 42
      MD. 62. 53. 56
      MA. 69. 58. 53
      MI. 40. 30. 35
      MN. 56. 43. 44
      MS. 38. 39. 33
      MO. 41. 35. 52
      NV. 39. 29. 39
      NM. 66. 49. 53
      NY. 53. 39. 50
      NC. 47. 41. 41
      ND. 58. 38. 44
      OH. 48. 36. 42
      OK. 36. 29. 30
      OR. 55. 73. 38
      PA. 45. 30. 28
      RI. 61. 47. 49
      SC. 37. 33. 35
      SD. 46. 22. 35
      TN. 37. 33. 41
      TX. 46. 35. 42
      UT. 48 33. 38
      VT. 72. 54. 89
      VA. 53. 48. 55
      WA. 51. 49. 41
      WV. 45. 44. NR
      WI. 51. 34. 40

    323. Tgca says:

      Look at the rates of AA vaccinated in CA, NY, and Fl, states with large % AA population compared to non-Hispanic whites.

      Those are large discrepancies.

      Many in the AA community are skeptical because of past history being used as guinea pigs as well as poor messaging to their communities so this is not unexpected.

    324. Tina says:

      I do understand that some in the military oppose vaccines. In particular the gulf war vets, who were given the anthrax vaccine that causes them illnesses. So that could be one R group hesitant of vaccines,

      I also noticed that Fraudci, who” never funded”this China Virus, targeted Republicans for being vaccine hesitant.

      Whatever Fraudci says, it is the opposite. That lying sewer rat should rot in jail.

    325. Tgca says:

      I just looked at the latest data as of Sep 7th. For the selected states below see vac rates.

      1st column is White % vaccinated
      2nd column is AA % vaccinated
      3rd column is Latino% vaccinated

      On average the percentage of whites vaccinated over AA and Latino is 1.1 to 1.3 which is significant differences meaning AA and Latinos are lagging getting vaccinated.

      US. 52. 43. 48
      CA. 64. 52. 50
      DC. 51. 40. 57
      FL. 56. 33. 51
      GA. 46. 41. 41
      MI. 42. 32. 39
      NY. 56. 45. 48
      OH. 51. 40. 47

    326. Tgca says:


      I think we proved our point based on gubbermint data and not on talking heads in the MSM.

    327. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Here are some statistics from Los Angeles County, comparing unvaccinated and vaccinated:

      SARS-Cov-2 Infections and Hospitalizations
      Los Angeles County, May 1st-July 25, 2021
      43,127 infections; ages 16 and older

      Covid-19 Infections
      25.3% fully vaccinated
      3.3% partially vaccinated
      71.4% unvaccinated

      Hospitalizations; Vaccinated vs. unvaccinated
      3.2% fully vaccinated
      7.6% unvaccinated

      Intensive Care, Hospitalizations; Vaccinated vs. unvaccinated
      0.5% fully vaccinated
      1.5% unvaccinated

      Put on Ventilators, Hospitalization; Vaccinated vs. unvaccinated
      0.2% fully vaccinated
      0.5% unvaccinated

    328. Tgca says:

      DC is a perfect example of a congested city with a large AA population that has a low vax rate compared to others by 11 to 16 points which translates to 27% to 42% lag.

      In CA it’s 23% lag at the larger end.

      In FL, it’s 55% to 70% lag.

      So clearly there is reservation among minorities greater than whites.

      We know why many whites don’t take it, especially in rural areas where that lag among whites is more concentrated.

      But the lag on minorities appears to be in more urban crowded areas where the infection is more likely to spread so that is a major contributing factor as well.

    329. Bitterlaw says:

      I will defer to Dr. Pitch.

      Since Tina’s very first post about Fauci was that he was a Hillary supporter, her credibility is suspect.

    330. Tgca says:

      In south FL we have a larger population of immigrant AA than other states and supposedly that is contributing to the major lag as they are ore hesitant to be vaccinated.

      Often there is distrust among immigrants from poor countries to trust the gubbermint on certain things so that is supposedly part of the hypothesized hesitance fir taking the vax amongst communities with large minorities.

    331. Tgca says:


      No! You should not defer to one person based on anecdotal experience, you should defer to official stats, assuming they are reliable and there’s no reason to believe these stats are significantly off since they are consistent among many sources.

      We are showing you those numbers.

      Admit you were wrong in trying to mock Tina!

    332. Tgca says:

      Many doctors are also disagreeing with Dr. Fow-chee as well.

      Thousands of nurses and doctors are being threatened to be fired around the country for refusing the vax. They don’t count?

      We know from admission of the CDC that the vax provides limited immunity depending on when you took it. They reversed themselves in Aug from their May view, and they recently changed their definition of a vaccination from “immunity” to “offers protection” which is a UUUUGE difference.

      The point is they really don’t know the long term and keep changing it as they go along and that in itself is giving people hesitance to take the vax.

    333. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca – Here is a flaw in what you and Tina are saying. Let’s make the math easy because it is late. Let’s say there are 100 people and break it down for simplicity

      70 whites
      12 AA
      18 Latinos

      If half the whites are unvaccinated, that is 35 people.

      If 2/3 of AA are unvaccinated, that is 8 people

      If half the Latinos are unvaccinated, that is 9 people

      Which is a bigger number with a bigger risk of infection – 35 whites or 8 AAs or 9 Latinos? The unvaccinated whites are almost double the number of unvaccinated minorities.

      I will defer to Dr. Pitch

    334. Bitterlaw says:

      Admit you were wrong in trying to mock Tina!

      Uh oh. Did you and lisab break up? You moved on to Tina?

    335. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Maybe I am missing something, but I don’t see any major differences between the statistics and Dr. Pitch’s comments.

    336. Tina says:

      Ultimately, I was right about Fraudci, while you were busy stimulating his you know what. With every piece of evidence against him you still stroked his piece.

      You were wrong about him and the two Fib Directors.

    337. Bitterlaw says:

      Correction to 337. The unvaccinated whites would be just over double the number of unvaccinated minorities. 35-17. It’s late. Goodnight.

    338. Tina says:

      And yea as a Drat, we would get 2 weeks to slow the spread, which is now over 2 years to slow the spread; lock downs; multiple cloth masks; vaccine passports, etc.

      But you like him and obey.

    339. Bitterlaw says:

      Tina is turning into Robbie now. Or she thinks I am jason. What I said about Fauci is that his only job was to try to reduce/prevent infections. His job had nothing to do with keeping the economny going. Trump trusted and elevated Fauci. Take it up with him.

    340. Bitterlaw says:

      But you like him and obey.

      Zzzzzzzzzzzz. I said I was against the vaccine passports. I did get vaccinated because I saw no reason to not get it. I thought it would take longer for it to be my turn and I was prepared to wait. I have no interest in getting a booster shot. Are you mixing lemoncellos and your other meds tonight?

    341. Tina says:

      You love your gubment servants.

      You have a track record- do Mccrap, Fraudci, and comedy ring a bell for you?

    342. Bitterlaw says:

      Maybe I am missing something, but I don’t see any major differences between the statistics and Dr. Pitch’s comments.

      SDC – You ignorant slut. Dr. Pitch is a medical doctor who treats COVID patients as well as being an oncologist. Tina follows multiple twitter accounts. How dare you question Tina.

    343. Bitterlaw says:

      You love your gubment servants.

      YOU were a government servant. I’m not loving you right now.

      By the way, Rush died. Gubment was pretty stale even when he was alive. Retire it.

    344. Tina says:

      You are pretty stale with your sweaters.

      Have you retired them?

    345. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Trump on Fauci:

      “Former President Donald Trump says he didn’t heed the advice of Dr. Anthony Fauci in his response to the coronavirus pandemic, which has left more than 500,000 Americans dead and nearly 30 million infected, including Trump himself.

      “I listened to him, but I didn’t do what he said,” Trump told Fox News personality Lisa Boothe on the premiere episode of her podcast, which went live Monday.

      Boothe asked Trump if he regretted “elevating” Fauci — the nation’s leading infectious disease expert, who rose to fame as a member of Trump’s coronavirus task force — because of his refusal to back the former president’s dubious claims about the virus.

      “I didn’t really elevate him,” Trump said. “He’s been there for 40 years. He’s been there forever.” Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), had worked under Presidents George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Trump, and is now President Biden’s COVID-19 adviser.

      Trump said he liked Fauci “personally” but cast him as a self-promoter.

      “He’s a great promoter,” Trump said. “He’s really a promoter more than anything else.””

      Of course, we now have evidence that Fauci knew a lot more about the emergence of virus at Wuhan lab, including that Fauci approved U.S. funding for gain-of-function research at the lab, and subsequently attempted to deny it and cover it up.

    346. Tina says:

      Firing off tweets and letters are ok, but what are you actually going to do about it? Has the minority leader in the Senator offered anything on what he will do about i, or is he busy blowing Biden?

      Kevin Mcghosty aka Kevin McCarthy

      · 2h
      “No, I don’t think [vaccines] should be mandatory. I wouldn’t demand it be mandatory…”
      Biden on December 4, 2020

      He lied.

    347. Bitterlaw says:

      I lost my program. I don’t remember who “Mccrap” was. I made negative comments about Comey. As for Fauci, take it up with long-time Democrat bankroller, Trump. Like Fauci, he was also a big Hillary supporter.

    348. Tina says:

      Fauci could not be elevated given his position.

      Moreover, given his position, he could not be fired. He is a bureaucrat and an evil man that deserves a long prison sentence for funding a China virus.

    349. Bitterlaw says:

      “I didn’t really elevate him,” Trump said. “I just had him speak at my daily press conferences for weeks.”

      Fixed it

    350. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      346. The statistics I was referring to were those posted by Tgca and I. They were in substantial agreement with Dr. Pitch’s comments.

    351. Tina says:

      A lot of folks confuse firing Fraudci with firing a cabinet Secretary. One is a political appointee and one is not.

      The one who cannot be fired (under normal circumstances) is the one who wrote love letters to drats/praise The venthoarder; funded a China virus, but not this virus. Lied to Congress, etc.,

    352. Bitterlaw says:

      Moreover, given his position, he could not be fired.

      Did that come with an invitation to daily press conferences for weeks?

    353. Bitterlaw says:

      A lot of folks confuse firing Fraudci with firing a cabinet Secretary. One is a political appointee and one is not.

      I didn’t confuse it. Trump wanted Fauci at the press conferences. Blame him. Just because he couldn’t fire him did not mean he had to have him speak every. How about this alternative available to Trump? “Dr. Fauci is working too hard in the lab right now. He won’t be attending the next 90 press conferences.”

    354. Tina says:

      I guess the one that supported Fraudci now wants him fired, 20 plus months too late.

      Fraudci was the savior and now many months later, he is sheot.

      Love the flip,flopping.

    355. Tgca says:

      337. Bitter

      That’s not how statistics work. They are always reported on percentage basis of population because raw numbers are meaningless if you have disproportionate population ratios.

      The flaw in your analysis is demographics too as I stated. Most of the minorities are in urban areas which are congested and more likely to be impacted.

      The reports we are seeing come from these congested areas.

      Measure after measure has shown you are more likely to die from Covid if you’re AA than any other racial group. That also shows the flaw in your argument.

      For example, per CDC, AA and Hispanic are 2 to 2.3 more likely to die from Covid than whites, and 3 times more likely to be hospitalized than whites alone. AA and Hispanics make up 35% of the population compared to whites at 59%.

      You can’t effectively target by raw numbers either due to demographics spread. You will ultimately get more spread of Covid in congested areas where a larger percentage of the population is as well so the fact that AA and Hispanic live in more urban areas, over time if they have significantly higher rates of serious sickness and death, they may spread it more amongst other groups.

      Btw, 80% of Covid deaths were over 65% as well and that is another stat to consider overall in this pandemic where they are exaggerating the effect on the total population. If 99.7% of population survival with the elderly included then survival under 65 is closer to 99.9%.

    356. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      2024 Nation General Election
      Joe Biden 45% (+3)
      Donald Trump 42%

      ~ 1,148 LV ~ 9/4-9/5

      Nate Silver had Redfield polling fourth from the bottom as far as accuracy.

    357. Bitterlaw says:

      I did not say I wanted Fauci fired OR retained. I just pointed out that Trump elevated him to public prominence. That was his decision.

    358. Tgca says:

      It is a naive argument to say Dr. Fow-chee is not indirectly responsible for economic policy. If he is advising POTUS to make decisions based on his expertise that POTUS does not have and POTUS follows his advice, then there’s a direct correlation of responsibility on Dr. Fow-chee.

      It’s like the military. If the generals advise POTUS on a course of action and he authorizes that course of action, to say that the generals have no responsibility if all goes wrong is silly,

      In criminal law if you are involved in planning and carrying out a murder but don’t actually commit the murder, you can be still be charged as an accomplice to murder.

      Dr. Fow-Chee is heavily influencing the decisions being made by Biden so he bares a share of responsibility for the failures just as he would get credit if all went great.

    359. Bitterlaw says:

      348. Zzzzzzzzzzz. Is Tgclown writing your material? I have not worn a sweater since 1991. I do not own any sweaters.

    360. Tina says:

      Trump did not always listen to Fraudci.

      Fraudci was against the China travel ban on 1/31/2020. Trump overruled him. In June , Fraudci was out on the back burner ( he complained on Mslsd and cnn about it).

      However, the travel ban could have been implemented sooner if Fraudci did not lie about the virus’ origins (lab leak) and covered it up. Also, Fraudci said that the vaccine would not hit us,

    361. Tgca says:

      Again, the flaw in Bitters argument on Dr. Fow-Chee is that early on he was viewed as credible support but by fall 2020 he was not and the admin isolated him as best as they could and that’s why Fow-chee later complained after Biden was elected that he felt more listened to now.

      Trump and team listened to Fow-chee early on but he was consistently inaccurate. Trump wanted to get rid of him altogether but the Dems threatened impeachment close to the election so Trump was stuck with him as it would ha e been crazy to force impeachment a month before election.

      The plan was to get rid of Fow-Chee from the team after the election. But that did not stop Fow-chee interviewing with the MSM daily in spite of being isolated.

      Facts are important things to consider in historical context.

    362. Tina says:

      Making statements that it would not hit us, and lying about the origins (bio weapon) hurt us badly to say the least.

    363. Tina says:

      Meant virus would not hit us.

      Fraudci was correct to say that masks did not work. Of course, he emailed that to one of his left wing cultist.

    364. Bitterlaw says:

      Another free pass for Trump. Nothing was Trump’s fault. It was the evil Dr. Fauci! Him and the evil zombie hand that signed all the spending bills.

    365. Tina says:

      I was off a month, it’s July of 2020.

      There are numerous articles about Fraudci complaining about being sidelined.

      But with trump reopening after the month pause, he was sidelined.

    366. Tgca says:

      For the record, Drs. don’t crunch numbers. Statisticians or bio-mathematicians do in this case. Drs. accept the data supplied to them by number crunchers and regurgitate them.

      Medical training does not require advanced math. Bio majors in college are not required anything above 1st year calculus which many can take also as AP math in High School.

      I used to tutor bio and nursing majors. Baby math!

      I rely on stats from qualified number crunchers and not medical professionals.

    367. Bitterlaw says:

      The flaw in Tgca’s argument is that nothing is ever Trump’s fault or responsibility.

    368. Tgca says:

      Dr. Fow-chee has been grossly negligent and now has a referral to the DOJ to open a criminal case for lying to Congress against him. If the GOP takes over Congress he will be screwed because they will hold hearings and out him for his lies and manipulation and more dirt will come out.

      I personally think he misled gubbermint leaders and if the emails show as reported he’s been involved in gain of function, he needs to be prosecuted and jailed for lying to Congress and trying to cover his tracks.

      Fraud 101 teaches you whenever anyone holds a position for a very long period of time, think J. Edgar, they are more likely to be corrupt and stronger controls need to be in place to ensure fraud is not being perpetuated. I think that’s where Fow-Chee is concerned. He never expected this level of inquiry into his bureaucracy.

    369. Tgca says:


      So you think Trump should have thrown Fow-chee off the Commission 2 months before an election with threats of impeachment hearings that even GOP politicians warned him against doing or repercussions would ensue?

      The MSM would have been on this 24/7 and dragged both Trump and the GOP down in a close election. My gut is if that happened, Trump would have lost significant support from indies and GOP congressional losses would have been greater and wiped out any advantages.

      Clearly, you have no good political instinct to believe Trump had an opportunity in this case with all Dems and a number of the GOP against him removing Fow-chee in 2020.

    370. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      372. Agree with Tgca, Fauci attempted to cover up the U.S. involvement in funding gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab; he flat out lied about it. Fauci should be fired, and possibly face criminal charges for lying to Congress. Total bureaucratic deception and sleaze.

    371. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Biden is such a disaster that even the British are beginning to miss Trump:

      “Just as happened with Mr Biden’s initial decision to withdraw US forces, the President made little effort to communicate with his British allies as the final withdrawal arrangements were put in place. It took Mr Biden two days to contact British Prime Minister Boris Johnson after the Taliban seized control of Kabul, and he then caused further upset in London by refusing Mr Johnson’s request to extend the deadline for the evacuation of foreign nationals from the country.
      Mr Biden’s disdainful treatment of the British government on the Afghan withdrawal issue has certainly caused major tensions, with politicians on both sides of the Atlantic indulging in a blame game over the handling of the crisis.
      In London, anger among politicians at Westminster has resulted in unprecedented public criticism of the American president, with one unnamed British minister reported to have described the US leader as “doolally” and “gaga”. The comments infuriated the White House after they were reprinted in the Washington Post. After Mr Biden refused to take Mr Johnson’s calls at the height of the Afghan withdrawal crisis, Mr Johnson was reported to have referred to the US leader as “Sleepy Joe”, echoing former president Donald Trump’s favourite nickname for him, and telling aides that he regarded Mr Biden as being “lightweight and inward-looking”.”

    372. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from the virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated”

      Was this a Fauci quote?

    373. jason says:

      Meldrim says:
      September 9, 2021 at 7:22 pm

      #286, Jason, GFY. You know damn well that I have said consistently that the government should stay the hell out of the way of private businesses, whether to tell them to mandate vaccinations or to prohibit them from mandating vaccinations.”

      Zzzzzzzz….sorry, there is no such thing as a part time fascist, you might as well own it full time.

      If you think it is ok for restaurants to demand your papers to get in then you should have no problem with Biden’s unconstitutional BS.

      You can’t have it both ways.

      Btw, you have the most twisted, bizarre, convoluted and frankly disgusting view of what “freedom” is that I ever read on this blog.

    374. jason says:

      So you think Trump should have thrown Fow-chee off the Commission 2 months before an election with threats of impeachment hearings that even GOP politicians warned him against doing or repercussions would ensue?

      The MSM would have been on this 24/7 and dragged both Trump and the GOP down in a close election. My gut is if that happened, Trump would have lost significant support from indies and GOP congressional losses would have been greater and wiped out any advantages.

      Clearly, you have no good political instinct to believe Trump had an opportunity in this case with all Dems and a number of the GOP against him removing Fow-chee in 2020.”

      I almost fell asleep reading this drivel.

      So now Trump gets a pass because he “had good political instincts”? Dang, that is what I said at the time, that firing Fauci was not politically viable, but many here disagreed.

      If Fauci was so bad as Tgca makes him to be, shouldn’t Trump have fired him anyway?

      I think my fellow A-hole hit the nail on the head here;

      “The flaw in Tgca’s argument is that nothing is ever Trump’s fault or responsibility”

    375. jason says:

      I think I can condense Tgca’s views on Fauci as follows;

      1) Trump hiring him – good
      2) Trump keeping him – good
      3) Biden hiring him – bad
      4) Biden keeping him – bad

    376. jason says:

      Trump did not always listen to Fraudci.

      Fraudci was against the China travel ban on 1/31/2020. Trump overruled him. In June , Fraudci was out on the back burner ( he complained on Mslsd and cnn about it).”

      Hmmm…. I see.

      So according to Tina Trump did not always follow Fauci’s advice and put him on the back burner?

      Tgca hardest hit. If you read his posts Fauci was the King of Covid and ruled by edict unchallenged.

    377. Gordon Allen says:

      A real problem for Florida is 1 it has 2nd highest percentage of elderly, and 2 only 57% are “White”, and the black percentage of the population, the least vaccinated group, is 17%, the rest Hispanic and mixed.It’s a statistical miracle we’re doing as well as we have re Covd, especially as it’s a prime dumping ground of Covd positive illegal border crossing aliens(Biden makes sure of that).

    378. Bitterlaw says:

      Being only 57% White is considered a problem? Damn. Most people are not usually so open about that kind of thinking.

    379. Tina says:

      If you question Fraudci, you question “science.”

      John Cardillo
      The USPS is the one govt. agency that personally interfaces with tens upon tens of millions of Americans daily.

      It’s exempt from the vaccine mandate.

      Tell me again how this is about science and medicine.

    380. Tina says:

      Trust the Science from the Potato.

      Brian Stelter
      · Sep 7
      An unvaccinated minority that doesn’t watch the news or trust the news is putting the vaccinated majority at undue risk. There’s no way around that reality

    381. Tgca says:


      Trump can’t forenFow-chee. He could only remove him from the Commission, which is what the Dems threatened impeachment over 2 before the election. So instead Trump team isolated Fow- chew more and the intent was to get rid of him from the Commiddion altogether after the election. At least that what was being reported.

    382. Tgca says:


      Fire not fore

    383. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      This just-released CNN Poll is the most head-scratching poll of the year. Biden’s approval/disapproval is 50/50. What is strange is the poll covers a FIVE WEEK PERIOD from Aug. 3-Sept. 7.

    384. Tgca says:


      Jadon’ engwish comprehension shows again. I said nothing of the sort. I think Fow- Chee was appropriately isolated in fall 2020 and agree Trump should not have outright dismissed him from the Commission before the election. That would be stoopid strategy and that’s what Trump wanted to do but wiser heads prevailed. Trump is often over reactive and hurts his own cause. That has always been my view on this matter.

      Fow-chee should have been told his department has input but he does not need to be in the meetings and he does not need to be the face of the Commission on TV. Evidently, Trump and team did not stop him from constantly going on TV even though they isolated him.

    385. Tina says:


      Tom Elliott
      #InflationCrisis update:

      Per CNBC, the year-over-year Producer Price Index rocketed 8.3 percent in August, the biggest advance on record

    386. Tina says:

      Is it Fow- Chee or Foul-Chee?

    387. Phil says:

      Can you imagine the party Id of the cnn poll you’d have to have to get Joe to 52%? Lol

    388. Tgca says:


      How about Fowl- chee? Compromise.

      He went from being China’s butt boy, hence Dr.Fow-chee to Dr. Foul-chee, rancid rotten POS to a compromise of Dr. Fowl-chee. I still think he’s Cuba’s butt boy so I will refer to him as Dr. Fow- chee.

      It appears he’s a crook and a liar based on latest documents received through FOIA.

    389. Tgca says:

      AP reported Friday that Sirajuddin Haqqani, an FBI wanted terrorist with connections to al Qaeda and a $10 million bounty for alleged attacks and kidnappings, is in charge of passport control in Afghanistan.

      Well, isn’t that special.

      Terrorist in charge of when Americans can leave Afghanistan now. I guess like the Taleebon, terrorists are now being “business-like and professional.”

    390. Tgca says:

      The WH now reverses itself on previous qualification.

      650,000 postal employees will NOT be exempt from vax mandate.

    391. Pitchaboy says:

      This disease has been politicized all over the world making everyone suspicious of data. The liberals are coming to realize that with 1 year of experience, vaccines on hand and some treatment options, Slo Jo is no better than DJT. People have come to realize that we need to learn to live with this virus. Take appropriate precautions as you see fit and get on with living.

    392. Tgca says:

      Another example of lack of coordination between POTUS and VP teams. To be fair, Trump’s team would also send mixed messages at times as well but usually it was between Trump and his advisors and not Trump and Pence.

      Harris on Same Day Biden Announces Vax Mandates: ‘When People Are Able to Make Choices without Government Interference… We Are a Stronger Society’ (VIDEO)

    393. Tgca says:

      Uh oh! Breyer needs to be impeached for this heresy!

      Justice Stephen Breyer issued a warning to progressives who want to expand the Supreme Court.

      “What goes around comes around. And if the Democrats can do it, the Republicans can do it,” Breyer told NPR in an interview published Friday.

    394. Tgca says:

      So tomorrow it’s 20 years since 9/11. I remember almost everything about that day including where I went to pick up my lunch in San Francisco. That day was seared in my mind.

      I know of a few folks that were victims of 9/11. One was friend’s husband who died at the Pentagon, leaving two boys behind. One was my my friend’s co-worker who died when one of WTC buildings collapsed on his hotel as he was going through the hotel ensuring all were evacuated.

      Now Taleebon is having a celebration tomorrow too I see.

    395. Cash Cow TM says:

      Walt said to tell you he is sorry he has not been posting more here.

      In addition to the regular chores, he is involved with the seasonal changing of all the rooms to a fall theme.

    396. Tgca says:

      Fawww Hundwid bishes!

      Fawww Hundwid I thay!

    397. Tgca says:

      I am VINDICATED Bishes!!!

      Some stoopid posters here have argued in the past that FB, Twitter, etc can do as they wish because they’re a private business. That is not the way it works in the real world.

      Newspapers and Television are private businesses too but long ago it was determined there had to be rules around them to ensure they did not become monopolistic and control the level of information that Americans receive because it unduly influence their lives and politics.

      Some of us here argued that these companies were monopolistic in nature and that’s the difference and why there needs to be oversight or rules against what they can and cannot control in the public realm so they can’t dominate the flow of information for unscrupulous means…like interfering in elections as they did in 2020.

      The FTC now agrees with us! …as they should dammit!!! They focus their argument on product choice, innovation, whereas they leave out information flow but that is in essence the output of the issues they argue are monopolistic.

      Facebook controls 85% of the personal social networking market thanks to its acquisitions of Instagram and WhatsApp, making it an unlawful monopoly that has hurt consumers and competitors, the Federal Trade Commission argued in court documents released Wednesday.

    398. Tgca says:

      To all the Dr. Fow-chee deepthroaters, the good doctor now says that Biden is being “moderate” in his demand for vax since he gives folks the option for weekly testing.

      The good doctor further states if it were him, he would require you be vaccinated. In other words, no vax, no job!

      Let’s give this lying crook Dr. Fow- chee another medal why don’t we!

    399. Meldrim says:

      #377, Jason, some of us believe that citizens have freedom, and that business owners are citizens. Our Constitution gives us rights that are enforceable against the government, not against private citizens. The police can’t arrest me for wearing a T-shirt that says “Abortion is Murder,” but a restaurant owner doesn’t have to let me into his restaurant wearing that shirt if he doesn’t want to do so. While in rare circumstances a private establishment serves the role of a public conveyance and can’t exercise the freedom that private citizens generally have (the textbook example being the one bridge across the river within 100 miles, but arguably that also could apply to media companies that receive special legal protections from defamation suits because they purport to be the equivalent of “town squares” and are not responsible for what is posted at their site), that is not the case for a restaurant in a town with several dining options.

      And Jason, if you believe that the government can prohibit a restaurant owner from requiring proof of vaccination for employees and customers, then you believe that the government can require a restaurant owner to require proof of vaccination. My opinion is the exact opposite of yours. You are for the state telling private businesses what to do (which is exactly what fascist governments historically have done–Hitler and Mussolini didn’t nationalize businesses, they co-opted them), and I am for freedom for all citizens and for the right to private property.

      My position on vaccination requirements was crystalized rather precisely by Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson (whom you may remember as one of the House impeachment managers during the Clinton impeachment in 1998-99) in his statement protesting Biden’s unconstitutional order:

      “I fully support continued efforts to increase vaccination rates across our nation, but the federal government mandates on private businesses are not the right answer. I have been consistent on the freedom of businesses to require their employees to be vaccinated, and I have opposed the government from saying that businesses cannot exercise that freedom. The same principle should protect the private sector from government overreach that requires them to vaccinate all employees.”

    400. Meldrim says:

      #394, Tgca, yes, the White House says that postal workers are covered by the mandate, just not under the executive order for federal employees. But the proposed (unconstitutional) OSHA rules for businesses with 100+ employees require that employees be vaccinated *or be subject to weekly COVID tests*. Biden’s executive order for federal employees does *not* permit them to opt out of vaccination so long as they submit weekly COVID tests. So the postal-workers’ union was able to get preferential treatment from Biden after all.

    401. Tgca says:


      Dearest Meldrim

      Agreed! Of course they’ll exchange favors where they can.

      What makes no sense of this is it’s not based on science. Otherwise, there would be no opt out or size limitation.

      It makes no sense to say if you work for a small company, you can opt out but if you work for a big company, you must be vaxed. People from small companies shop at and attend events at the same level that people from big companies so how is it based in science?

      It’s just an intrusive and dangerous power grab.

      Tens of thousands die annually from the flu, should that be the next mandated vaccine?

      If SCOTUS allows this, then our country has turned a corner and democracy will slowly die over the next generation as new generations become indoctrinated into these beliefs because they never knew real freedom.

    402. Tgca says:



      If you agree a business has the freedom to do what it wants then businesses have the right to deny service to AA based on their race because it’s their business.

      I disagree on that point as there are some issues much greater to a Democratic society than others.

      “No shoes, no shirt, no service” doctrine does not have the same impact on society that denying people service based on skin color or medical status has. They are all forms of discrimination but they are not equal in societal impact.

      Degrees of difference is important because if everything has to be equally assessed, then why not say the punishment for jaywalking should be no different than the punishment for murder since they both are crimes? Clearly the impact on society is not equal, this the punishment should not be. Hence, the case against vax requirements.

      That is the point I disagree with you and think Jadon does as well.

    403. Tgca says:

      Here is a video clip of Biden, Fow-chee, and Psaki stating “no mandates, its not the role of the gubbermint, never mandate for the general public, etc”

      These idiots lied through their teeth.

    404. Bitterlaw says:

      The comparison between a restaurant requiring patrons to be vaccinated and a restaurant refusing to serve blacks fails because of a major difference. There is no danger that a restaurant owner will become black if a black customer is served. There is a theoretical risk of infection from an unvaccinated diner.

      I remain strongly against mandates and vaccine passports but the debate is better when unrelated concepts are mixed in.

    405. Bitterlaw says:

      Should be the debate is not better

    406. Tgca says:


      BS! Your argument fails on two pints below.

      One of the arguments against AA that led to SCOTUS case throwing out separate but equal was that AA were unclean and transmitted diseases and that’s why they should be kept separated. As Thurgood Marshall so elegantly stated in his biography by Carl Rowan. If blacks need to be separated because they transmit diseases, then why are they the cooks and nannies in white homes?

      The latest scientific evidence shows that vaccinated are just as likely to infect others than are unvaccinated, and at higher viral loafs as well. This is evidenced all over the world. Look at Israel with a Covid crisis where 95% are vaccinated and something like 70% of their current cases are vaccinated folks.

      So if restaurants wish to stop the spread of Covid, they should also ban vaccinated from their restaurants but then they would have no customers I guess.

    407. Tgca says:


      Points not pints

    408. Tgca says:

      I have posted some stats on this issue with vaccinated infecting other vaccinated, as has SDC.

      It makes no sense to say the unvaccinated are putting the vaccinated at risk because it implies the vax doesn’t work then, and if that’s the case, why ban anyone?

      Science is showing the unvaccinated are at a risk for more severe illness and fatalities at higher rates than vaccinated but the vaccinated are not only spreading it to other vaccinated but unvaccinated as well.

      I gave 3 examples of fully vaccinated non-high risk folks I know that got double jabbed in the spring but recently got Covid and we’re in bed with Covid sickness for days though they did not have to be hospitalized. It’s anecdotal but it proves a point.

    409. Tgca says:

      …and further, you miss the point Meldrim was making. His point is gubbermint should keep out of the business of businesses and let them make individual decisions.

      My point is then why does that not translate to other areas, using the example of AA. Discrimination based on race or medical conditions are equal in terms of discrimination because we have laws on the books to protect against race and medical discrimination. Should the gubbermint be silent on discrimination against AA?

      Sorry! But the devil is in the details.

    410. Meldrim says:

      #411, Tgca, the only scientific evidence of vaccinated people infecting others just as frequently as do unvaccinated people was in a study made in Provincetown right after Fourth of July weekend when, shall we say, there had not been much social distancing in gay bars. Apparently when one is vaccinated against COVID and has a breakthrough infection, drunken tongue-kissing is an effective way to transmit the virus.

      And that doesn’t even take into account the fact that vaccinated people are far less likely to have COVID in the first place. A recent study in Europe found that two doses of the Moderna vaccine provide 86% protection from infection from the original COVID and its first three variants and a still excellent 76% protection from infection from the Delta variant. Yes, the Pfizer vaccine is less effective in preventing infection from the Delta variant (although it does provide outstanding protection from serious illness or death), particularly after six months from the time of the second dose, which is why Israel in particular saw so many breakthrough infections during the recent Delta surge (which, fortunately, has started to wane), but it is preposterous for you to claim that vaccinated adults do not pose a lower risk of infection than do unvaccinated adults.

    411. lisab says:

      not everyone in provincetown is gay

      it just seems that way

    412. Meldrim says:

      I know, Lisa, as your past residency there proves. But it’s not just residents, as Fourth of July weekend draws a large crowd of LGBT+ tourists.

    413. Pitchaboy says:

      This is what happens when lawyers debate science.
      1. There was just one lousy study that showed equal viral loads in both vaccinated and unvaccinated
      2. The rest show the opposite
      3. Studies also show that vaccines at worst, stop 60% of new infections. This means 60% fewer hosts for the virus to grow and mutate
      4. To convert the pandemic to an endemic you need to retard mutation rate. Vaccines do that.
      I understand there are many idiots who excercise their right to not take it. That is collateral damage for living in a free country.