Election Night – California Recall

    While I posted a few polls here and there for the recall election in California, I did not track them formally especially after it was becoming clear in poll after poll that the attempt to recall Gavin Newsom was going to fail and fail miserably. I guess there is always a chance but tonight might be more of a whimper with Gavin Newsom maintaining his gubernatorial seat easily even if Republican Larry Elder comes out as the clear winner to have replaced him should it go the other way.

    One wonders if Republicans had managed to come up with a more publicly favorable candidate who people could rally around like they did in 2003 with Arnold Schwarzenegger would this election this evening have turned out differently.

    Polls close at 11pm EDT (8pm PDT)

    Posted by Dave at 6:00 pm
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    238 Responses to “Election Night – California Recall”

    1. Tgca says:

      Uno! Bebe! Uno!

    2. Tgca says:

      To the metrosexual lawyer and his post 239 in the last thwed.

      I gave a detailed post in 134 explaining that the vaccines failed in 2 ways and described them but I acknowledge in many but not all instances they reduce severe illness as well.

      By these standards, the vaccine initiative failed because they lost 1/3 of the nation in the process from false and distrusting messaging followed by threatening the liberties of people.

      That does not define success because the intent of the vaccine was to roll it out for all to take and reach protection and here immunity and that has not been achieved nor will it in the near future, as is the current consensus in the medical community.

    3. Phil says:

      Chairman of the Joint chiefs of Staff did what?

      This on top of his woking up the military?


    4. Cash Cow TM says:


    5. Phil says:

      It won’t be happy.

      It’s California.

      End of story. They may as well not even bother to have elections there. Elections only make sense if both sides have a chance to win. Not the case in California. It may as well be North Korea. On second thought, it pretty much is.

    6. Cash Cow TM says:

      “Cash Cow downplays it with references to 1918-19 Spanish Flu”


      I did no such thing.

      I was finding best facts I could about the 1918-1920
      flu epidemic.
      I wanted someone to then do the math and see if a greater % of people were affected with either the one back in 1918-1920 or the COVID today.

      Same about the # of deaths per 1000 people.
      You are jumping to incorrect conclusions like jason often does.

    7. Cash Cow TM says:

      “Not the case in California. It may as well be North Korea. On second thought, it pretty much is.”

      I don’t think the NORKS have a big a homeless problem as Calipornia.

      Same with crime rate and probably drug addictions…

      Prolly less traffic problems too.

    8. Phil says:

      Cow has a point. North Korea may actually be a step up.

    9. Tgca says:

      Last thwed 221

      I think Pitch is not necessarily comparing apples to apples.

      In summary, the comorbidities that exist today that seem to cause the most severe cases of Covid did not exist widely in the early 1900s. That does not mean Covid would not have been serious then but obesity, heart disease, cancer, were significantly less then, and addition to the very elderly, these seem to be what is driving Covid illness by more than 90% since 80% of Covid deaths are elderly over 70 where in 1919, the life expectancy was in the early to mid 50s.

      In fact, heart disease did not become a significant cause of death until nearly 20+ years later. Most people died of infections like TB and pneumonia which would be serious today as well if there were no treatment options. The vast majority survive Covid with no intervention at all. Now one can argue we have better OTC choices to reduce Covid illness than in early 1900s and that did not exist back in the early 1900s and that is true but most do not need OTC remedies today to fight Covid either, if you’re not in the aforementioned high risk groups. Many have just mild symptoms the body easily fights off.

      So we’ll never know for sure but the 1918 flu appears to be much deadlier than today’s Covid.

      Some detailed facts below on the 1918 flu impacts.

      1st, young children less than 5 were hit the hardest by the 1918 flu, between 1,300 and 2,500 deaths per 100,000 and teens were hit the least hardest with 200 to 500 deaths per 100,000.

      2nd, those 25 to 35, mostly male were hit extremely hard, second only to young children and the elderly over 70, with 1,300 deaths per 100,000 and 800 per 100,000 deaths for females in that same age group.

      3rd, those between 40 and 65 were hit much lower than other adult age groups with the 50 to 60 age group hit the lowest other than teens.

      4th, elderly between 65 and 80 were hit hard similar to those in the 35 to 40 age group with deaths of 500 to 800 per 100,000 before climbing much higher around age 80 with those deaths climbing to 1,000 to 2,000 per per 100,000

      5th, females were hit significantly less than males in the age group mid 20s through mid 40s and less than males in all age groups.

      6th, the life expectancy was much lower in the early 20th century. In 1910 thru1916, male life expectancy varied from 48 to 52 and females from 52 to 57. That dropped significantly during the flu epidemic to 36 for males and 42 for females but got back to low 50s for males and mid to high 50s for females after 1919.

      7th, people did not generally suffer from the comorbidities that exist today that make Covid risky where 99% survive with little to no treatment. Obesity, cancer, diabetes, we’re not wide spread in the early 20th century as it is today.

      The chart below is from the Us Dept of Health, Education, and Welfare in 1956 so it’s probably the most accurate data in a time where electronic data housing did not exist.

      The solid line is males and dotted line is females.

    10. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      David Wissing comments in the heading of this thread is a good summary of what the outcome will be of the California recall, and why it will happen.

    11. NYCmike says:

      All I would say about the 2003 reference – what did “The Terminator” do with his newfound power and popularity?


      In fact, he may have made it worse, as his pandering to the climate alarmists sped up California’s decisions in regard to power supply, and he didn’t do a darn thing about building new reservoirs and/or maintain the old ones.

      He was a disaster, and made Republicans look even worse than they already did in that state.

      Do you want power just for the sake of it, or do you want someone like Elder who will fight tooth and nail every step of the way?

      Obviously, the citizens of that state are still happy with getting their crumbs from Newsome and the wealthy elite, and will vote to keep the terrible governance they currently have.

    12. Bitterlaw says:

      NYC – Zzzzzzzzzzzzz. Find the post where I said the vaccines worked perfectly or would prevent all infections. GFY. I said that for me it was probably better to take it than not. I am not a scientist but I am pretty sure that scientists use new information to evaluate treatment.

    13. Pitchaboy says:

      Tgca: this is why such comparisons are odious. Back then there were no antibiotics. Secondary infections would have ravaged Covid patients. Respiratory failure and sinopulmonary infections hammered the flu patients and would have done the same to Covid patients. We could go on and on.

    14. Bitterlaw says:

      I’m calling the fight. Pitch wins by knockout against the EXPERT.

    15. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Speaking of Arnold the idiot and California; the state’s green dreams (which Arnold pushed) have resulted in power blackouts. So California is building more natural gas plants — but they will be only “temporary”.

      “California officials say five temporary gas-fueled generators will be set up around existing power plants throughout the state to avoid blackouts and boost the state’s grid.

      “We cannot keep the lights on without additional natural gas and the state’s been forced to go out and find it in an emergency situation,” said Assemblymember Jim Patterson.

      Hopefully, this means no more flex alerts and rolling blackouts for people here in the Central Valley and across the state.”

      Actually, California is still gets about 45% of its power from natural gas, which is mainly imported from neighboring states. However, neighboring states are using so much natural gas, they do not have enough to export to meet California’s needs.

    16. Wes says:

      Has Newsom gotten the check mark yet?

    17. Tina says:

      John Cardillo
      Not one word from
      on Milley subverting his Commander in Chief and selling our nation out to the ChiComs.

      Absolutely gutless.

    18. Wes says:

      To be fair to Arnold, Mikey, he did try to start as a reformer. He managed to get a series of good government referenda on the ballot in 2005. Voters rejected all of them. After that, Arnold realized Californians didn’t actually want to put any meaningful reforms in place and went full liberal. There’s no point in fighting when your very constituents are hellbent on undermining your efforts.

      Arnold–rightly–went down as a worse Governor than even Gray Davis, but honestly he never had a chance of getting any meaningful reforms through.

    19. Annie says:

      Once a Never Trumper, always a Never Trumper. Dave W shows his true colors again. He thinks Sniffing Joe won fairly too. Never Trumper squish!

    20. Bitterlaw says:

      Annie – Jason claims one can be a Never-Trumper and then support Trump. But English is not his native language so he may not realize there is one definition of “never.” Or he lied in 2016.

    21. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      A Trafalgar poll had the Newsom recall election at
      53% Retain
      45% Recall

      Newsom won in 2018 with 62% of the vote.

      If the Trafalgar poll is accurate, then the Republicans should focus on getting a strong candidate to run against Newsom in 2022.

    22. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      19. “To be fair to Arnold, Mikey, he did try to start as a reformer. He managed to get a series of good government referenda on the ballot in 2005.”

      Which was totally stupid. You don’t put initiative measures on a special election ballot, when you know regular voter turnout is going to be lowe, but that public employee and teachers unions will do everything they can to ensure their supporters turn out in mass. Put it on a regular election ballot. But Arnold did it anyways, lost, and then folded up and melted like a girly man.

    23. Phil says:

      Means nothing, Cow. Filibuster keeps anything from happening…..unless bitter gets his way and Republicans drop their opposition to the filibuster and “Just man up and vote”. Lol

    24. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      SEP. 14, 11:14 PM
      The latest batch of preliminary exit polling says that 55 percent of voters approved of the way Newsom is handling his job, and 42 percent disapprove. That’s a good position to be in when facing a recall that’s in many ways a giant approval poll. But it also underscores just how strong Newsom was heading into the race compared with his less fortunate predecessor, Gray Davis, who was recalled in 2003. Exit polling that year found Davis’s approval rating at an abysmal 26 percent approve/73 percent disapprove. And yet 45 percent of voters still wanted to keep Davis!

      So Newsom is starting from a much stronger position and it’s entirely possible some voters who don’t approve of him will still vote No on recall, as they did in 2003.

    25. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Here are the initial returns. As the votes come in from rural counties and those who voted today, the margins should narrow somewhat. But Newsom will win:

      Should Gov. Newsom be recalled
      Total Votes Pct.
      No 5,194,677 68%
      Yes 2,429,980 32%
      59% of Expected Vote Reporting
      Last Updated: September 14, 11:33:20PM ET

      2. If Gov. Newsom is removed, who should take his place?
      Candidate Party Total Votes Pct.
      L. Elder Rep. 1,518,794 41%
      K. Paffrath Dem. 422,404 12%
      K. Faulconer Rep. 370,536 10%
      B. Ross Dem. 238,428 6%
      More — 1,360,070 31%
      59% of Expected Vote Reporting

    26. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      The ABC News Decision Desk is now projecting that the recall of California Gov. Gavin Newsom has failed.

      Decision Desk HQ projects Gavin Newsom will be retained as governor of California.

    27. Dylan says:

      It’s a blowout and newsome will win reelection sad night for my state. there is no bottom low enough to change course

    28. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “exit polls still think this will finish at 58-42 or 59-41.”

      Agree Dylan. Am not seeing California turning around any time in the future. Newsom pandered to voters by sending additional “Golden State stimulus checks” out recently. The vast majority of people I know in California have embraced the leftist cult idealogy. It is like watching the movie: “Invasion of the Body Snatchers.” Formerly independent minded people suddenly beginning to conform to a collective belief structure. Its not going to change any time soon; despite California’s high crime, homelessness, high taxes and insanely high prices.

    29. Phil says:

      So when are taking up residence in Utah.

    30. Dylan says:

      30–I’m so forlorn right now. was born in CA and then left and moved back in the late 80’s. It is my “home.” (TGCA: I live in Bay Area–north of SF but lived in LA for 25 years too). I just cannot reconcile how horrible conditions really are–in downtown San Rafael where I work ( a relatively small town) the homeless situation, closed business on main street, and trash are beyond what anyone would describe as post apocalyptic. 89% of my county voted NO on recall. I filled up my tank tonight for 4.65 a gallon for 87 octane (I can “afford it” but how can most people?) If CA won’t dump Newsome and the dems with this track record, I just can’t see what “rock bottom” looks like.

      Republicans have no brand here that is certain but they also have no message and no ability to get any message out. NO ABILITY as in North Korea No ability. And no plan, no candidate, no path. They have had since 1996 to “get their act together.” this cannot all be placed on Elder–he was the best they had. Cateylyn Jenner wont even crack 1% and she is a joke anyway. there is no bench. Who is even going to run against Newsome next year?!? This is so beyond the margin of fraud. this is absolutely where I fear the country is headed. And just for giggles I turned on Fox–and see Steve Hilton talking about “this is just the beginning. I have never seen energy like I have seen against the establishment.” Pure delusions. Zero credibility. The recall was utterly repudiated. More people voted NO on recall than voted FOR biden if present trends hold If I didnt have high schoolers and younger i would be out of here to a no tax state–still have to pay feds. But will someone tell me what rock bottom looks like that will change anything? We are so far down.

    31. Dylan says:

      I’m thinking NV but i’m told if you earn any money in CA, CA will tax it even if you live out of state.

    32. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “Biden approval rating slips to 42 percent in new poll”: The Hill, September 14, 2021

      “Half of American adults in a new poll disapprove of President Biden, marking the first time his approval has dipped into “negative territory” since taking office.
      A Quinnipiac University poll of American adults released today showed 42 percent of participants approved of Biden’s overall performance, while 50 percent disapproved.
      Biden’s numbers on COVID-19 were mixed, with 48 percent approving and 49 percent disapproving of his handling of the response to the pandemic as he imposes wide-reaching vaccine mandates.
      Meanwhile, Biden’s performance ratings on foreign policy dropped significantly following his withdrawal from Afghanistan.
      Only 34 percent of respondents approved of Biden on foreign policy, while 59 percent disapproved. That’s compared with 44 percent approval and 44 percent disapproval in August”.”

    33. Phil says:

      Well, you guys are welcome in he great state of Texas anytime.

    34. Tgca says:


      Bitter is a fool that knows nothing about stats and proves his ignorance once more. Perhaps you should go read the latest medical data me, SDC, and others have posted that MANY high profile doctors have been discussing.

      No disrespect to a Pitch but unless he is a published high profile medical subject matter expert, I would rely on these high profile subject experts.

      I pulled actual stats to make my point and a comparison and qualified it. Pitch did not and makes an argument without any support but his gut and failed to take in consideration the comparative stats. This is not an argument of medicine but a debate of the statistics of available data on a medical issue.

      There’s a difference!

      If you want to know about medical stats, you rely on bio mathematics performed by those trained in stats and not doctors treating patients because medical school does not require advanced math and doctors get their stats fed to them from the aforementioned stats professionals.

      Clearly Bitter would not know that because he couldn’t even quantify stats on the legal profession without relying on some data prepared by a non-lawyer.

      I truly abhor blind ignorance in people and Bitter often demonstrates that here with his naive views like he doesn’t believe in mental illness or depression which makes him sound more like Tom Cruise than an educated person.

    35. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      33. That is correct. California will go after you for any money you earn in California. There are ways to avoid or minimize that, but your going to have to talk to a California tax professional to learn how. It is worth the effort.

      As you probably already know, Nevada does not have an income tax.

      If California suspects you earned income in California and did not report it, they may estimate your income and send you a jeopardy assessment of what you owe. I got one when I was a college student in Utah. I had not even been in California — and earned no income there,and got it withdrawn. Be careful if you move, and get sound financial advise.

    36. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      31. So when are taking up residence in Utah.

      I don’t know Phil, it is really a tough decision. I have been heavily involved in business and community affairs where I am at in California. But saying that, probably by early next year. At this point am there one or two weeks a month.

    37. Tgca says:

      14 Pitch

      I already noted the difference in meds from then to now. You fail to acknowledge that the vast majority getting Covid are not seeking treatment or getting antibiotics to fight it. They just ride it out with little to no symptoms. That was my point!

      Over 40 million Americans have been infected with Covid and nearly 700,000 have died of which 90% were over 65 or had comorbidities and less than a couple of million treated in the hospital the last year with 2 spikes of about 2 months each in late 2020/ early 2021 and the last month, and now we find out this week that hospitals seem to have been over-reporting hospitalizations of severe Covid symptoms – that story just broke this week and we’re waiting to see by how much but initial reports say it’s significant.

      If Covid does not generally make the young and healthy sick today, then it’s clear that it was not at the same level of the 1918 flu which killed mostly the young and healthy significantly higher than any other group except for toddlers and over 65. The percent of elderly over 65 in the early 1900s was less than than 2 to 3% of the population, if even that high, though no real number is available. You can reason if Covid mainly killed the elderly today then it would have done so in 1918 as well and not harmed the young as much as the flu did then.

      Quarantine was a big part of fighting the flu in 1918 and that helped protect the elderly to a point. Maybe Cuomo could have learned from them but it’s hard to quarantine the young compared to the elderly for a number of reasons and hence, they suffered most from the 1918 flu.

    38. Phil says:

      I recognize it’s not easy to leave your home state – friends, job, etc, and just pick up and move. It’s a shame things have gotten so bad in California that it’s forced your hand, SD. You have a great alternative in Utah, however.

    39. Tgca says:

      CA better hope it never gets the Big One because I would not lift a hand to help. I don’t think I would be phased no matter how many deaths they had, especially northern CA. I truly see CA as a poison hellbent on destroying our nation so clearly anything to stop that I would welcome.

      Ok. I’m a meanie but I bet many would agree with me.

    40. Tgca says:

      I see CA no different than the radical terrorists out to change the world with its hateful religious interpretation of Islam and most don’t care about these radical terrorists so why care about the radical left either trying to accomplish the same but by a different means.

    41. Tgca says:

      So it’s being reported at various outlets that General Milley went behind Trump’s back twice, once a few days after the 2020 election and then on Jan 8th. Supposedly he had discussions with Pelosi on this too.

      The reports claim he met with other generals to deny any military action by Trump without his consent, and even worse, he contacted his counterpart in a China to affirm there would be no attack and if there was, he would forewarn China in advance himself.

      This is TREASON! If any of this is true, and it seems to have multiple sources, then General Milley cannot be trusted as a military advisor and should resign immediately and have all security clearance revoked.

      This is the closest we have to the military wrestling away the president’s role as Commander in Chief in a military takeover.

      I can’t fathom this ever happened but if it did, and he contacted China, our biggest threat, then he has undermined our ability to protect ourselves. China could perceive this as a major weakness on the reluctance of the American military to carry out a presidential order and use it to further their aggression.

    42. Wes says:

      Regarding Covid, one of my coworkers, whose immediate former job was working in a morgue in a hospital, literally told me the MEs listed more deaths as Covid related than actually were the case because of financial incentives for inflating numbers. That’s one hospital only of course, but it says something if hospitals are over reporting Covid fatalities for money.

    43. Wes says:

      By a wide margin, California voted to continue being North Korea East yesterday despite how horribly Newsom has run the state. Of course had Newsom fallen, nothing substantive would have changed. The Golden State was once a place viewed as the land of opportunity in America. It’s now one-party, increasingly authoritarian state more akin to a banana republic than a state of the United States.

      It’s the hotbed of virtually every loony leftist ideal. It’s simply not sustainable as it is. I have to wonder when Atlas will finally shrug out there.

    44. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      The in person voting is reducing Newsom’s lead somewhat, it is now 64.76% against recall.

      The vote to recall did better in several Southern California counties.

      Orange County
      Against Recall 53%
      For Recall 47%

      Riverside County
      Against Recall 53%
      For Recall 47%

      San Bernadino County
      Against Recall 56%
      For Recall 44%

      San Diego
      Against Recall 59%
      For Recall 41%

      As the votes are counted, it is possible Orange and Riverside counties could swing in favor of recall.

      Most of Central Valley and most rural counties voted in favor of recall. But there were huge margins against recall in the Bay area (San Francisco 86.7% against recall) and Los Angeles County (73.6% against recall). Compare that with Lassen County, that went 83% for recall — but has 30,000 residents.

    45. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      This will be Biden’s slogan for re-election in 2024.

      “I have no idea what I’m doing, but I know I’m doing it really, really well.”

    46. Pitchaboy says:

      Tgca: we are getting into a boring discussion
      1. You have ignored the fact that around 1918 life expectancy was some 2 to 3 decades less. In other words, a good number of those dead were dropping dead of other causes, mostly secondary infections for which we had no antibiotics
      2. The impact of respiratory support and antibiotics with Covid is huge
      3. And you have discounted the role of vaccine. With a flu shot, the Spanish flu would have been far less deadly.
      We can spin this anyway. Fact is Covid is 10 times deadlier than regular flu and will be remembered for decades to come.

    47. Bitterlaw says:

      Dr. Pitch – Thank you for your insight. Tgca reminds me of some lawyers I know. Whenever they take a deposition of a doctor, they research just enough to try to cross-examine the doctor on some obscure point. It rarely works. That is why most lawyers don’t try to argue about medicine with doctors.

    48. Tgca says:

      48 Pitch

      Yes, it’s boring to most because it gets into the minute details just like the parts of a car. Most don’t care about the detail parts of a car, they just want to make sure the car works. But to address these illnesses, one has to sift through the detailed data.

      I have addressed those things you mentioned. I actually specifically stated life expectancy and the value of the vaccine in reducing severe illness.

      What I stated was that Covid impacts are significantly different on the age groups between the two periods. The vast majority of young people today required no Vovid treatment and did not get sick. That was not the case with tje 1918 flu, and there may be many reasons to that including lifestyles, working conditions, nutrition, etc that impacted the youth of the two periods.

      Most of the people today, are able to fight off Covid with no intervention at all, otherwise we’d have a significant portion of the infected 40+ million being in the hospital and that just was not the case.

    49. Tgca says:


      I can easily say that with lawyers. In my field, we don’t get into discussions with the lawyers on the gory detail because they are not trained and can’t understand it. I can’t tell you how many times myself and other subject matter experts have shot down lawyers making simplistic conclusions from technical details they don’t understand where they end up looking like IGORENT UNEDUMACATED obnoxious folks from the Sewer State, as if there’s any other kind from there, right?

      I recall on more than one occasion where the judge has addressed a lawyer with stoopid unending questions saying the witness is a subject matter expert and has addressed and explained the issue sufficiently so move on.

      Lawyers should not try to argue with subject matter experts because more often than not they wind up on the losing end and good lawyers know that…you on the other hand…well…oh look at that…I ran out of character space.

    50. Bitterlaw says:

      I have deposed doctors hundreds of times. How many have you conducted?

    51. Tgca says:


      Agreed Wes.

      In CA, the politicians are left of their constituents so nothing changes.

      In my 20 years in the Bay Area, I would hear people complain about regulations, taxes, homelessness, crime, etc but then keep electing the same folks over and over because someone told them GOP is bad or they voted as their friends did.

      I was always amazed that an area with so many highly educated folks could be sooooo dumb and follow politicians blindly.

      One example, I always remember is debating someone from Stanford working on a master in Economics who argued with me that the reason the 1991-1992 recession started to end in late 1992 was because people were convinced Clinton would be elected and started investing their money and buying homes. This was a Econ graduate student from Stanford who probably works in some gubbermint job today writing papers on how more and more taxes bring economic growth and stability.

      Let’s not forget AOC was an Econ major too and look at her solutions to the world.

      You just can’t fix stoopid I thay!

    52. Tgca says:


      Yes. But did you understand what they tried to tell you which is my point in 51.

      Are you really this stoopid or you just playing this way to fit in with all your neighbors in Philly because everyone here knows you live next to Philly only 6 miles away just like Central Park West is only a few miles from the extreme poverty in the run down Bronx.

    53. Tgca says:


      Wes brings up on another point I touched on and SDC has done so as well.

      Leave it to those that fall into tje “limp-wrist” category to educate the breeders on facts.

      There is a financial advantage of reporting Covid deaths. We have seen that in many states. Here in FL, there was one example of a man who died in a tragic incident but who was Covid positive and treated as a Covid death. Numerous similar examples exist. Same way with many cancer patients at end of life if they were Covid positive whether they were suffering from Covid or not.

      The real death from Covid is probably 25% to 30% less based on various reports, including from states looking into the matters.

      I did a post on this awhile back. Any institution exaggerating or falsifying records on Covid should be prosecuted. If you exaggerated or lied on a bank loan, that is considered fraud and subject to prosecution.

      Scientific grants have been littered with falsifying data over the years and many medical journals have either rejected papers or had to retract them when the lies came to light.

      There are too many grants and funds distributed to audit all, but Congress should pass a law specific to prosecution for anyone that receives funding through the sciences and misleads and lyes about it.

      If that were the law, Dr. Fow-chee would be in jail right now.

    54. Tgca says:


      By the way, they are supposedly now currently investigating hospitals reporting Covid cases as severe even when people just show up to the ER and spend a day in the hospital for observation and then sent home with prescriptions. Again, that is fraud!

      The report I saw stated that up to half of hospital reported severe cases of Covid were not severe requiring treatment for a severe illness.

      Real science reports the facts as is regardless. They should not be like lawyers manipulating and bending the truth for a desired outcome.

    55. Tgca says:

      This is an amazing account of what Milley did after Jan 6th after discussions with Pelosi where there are transcripts of the call. Watch the short video by CNN of all places describing this unprecedented and extraordinary action by someone with no authority to over rule POTUS or not even in the chain of command.

      As an advisor to POTUS, Milley takes it upon himself to determine what action can and cannot be done with respect to the use of the military and has discussion with Speaker of the House and China, purposely keeping it from the president or anyone else in the chain of command, considering he is only an advisor and has no decision-making authority.

      Using his rationale, the military could today reach out to GOP leadership and decide to step in and cease all decision-making capabilities because they feel Biden is not mentally up to the job of acting as Commander in Chief. They could restrict his use of the nuclear football.

      This goes beyond politics. He should be fired and prosecuted ASAP! This is TREASON!!!

      Compare this to what Flynn was accused of doing. It’s outrageous!

    56. Phil says:

      This Miley thing is depressing…and infuriating.

      Jennifer Griffin passes those phone calls from Miley to his Chinese counterpart as “routine”.

      Routine my ass.

      The FBI. The CIA. Now, the military?

      Normal, right guys? Sure.

      The POTUS didn’t authorize these calls, regardless of what was said. He did it behind the President’s back. Outrageous….and the worst part is due to the corruption of the FBI and CIA and the fact that they skated over the last four years everyone just accepts it as “routine”

      Talk about being conditioned. The elites can do anything they want.

      …and you peons actually believe that if the Republicans take the House anything will change? Uh, why? Heard a peep about the Milley thing from the Republican leadership in the House? How about the Senate? What’s a matter Mitch? Cat got your tongue?

      Milley. Truman would have fired his ass in a minute….as well as the rest of his Pentagon stooges in that so called meeting.

      This is the reason I’m no longer an establishment type Republican. F em.

    57. Robbie says:

      Douglas Lukasik
      Elder running as “Boomer African American Trump” is hopefully the end of Trumpian idiocy on the right. We have lots of attractive options. None of them need to be Orange-tinted or desperate to be the next Orange-inspired Fox News legend.

      – Jason fraud to himself, “Nonsense. Trumpism is the light and the truth. So what that it cost Republicans the White House, the House, and the Senate. Governing is not important. Owning the libs on FoxNews is how elections are won. Orange forever. Trump/Elder 2024!”

    58. Robbie says:

      I would remind all of those who are upset and mad at General Milley that Dear Leader Don chose him to be Chairman of Joint Chiefs. And why did the mad king choose Milley to be the top general in the military? Because his own Secretary of Defense, James Mattis, didn’t like Milley. Great reason, right?

    59. Tgca says:


      The Milley thing is unbelievable!

      An advising general takes it upon himself to decide what the president can and cannot do and colluded with the opposite party and a foreign gubbermint that is our main strategic and military foe and the MSM and Dems have no problem with this?

      Again, if that is fine then it should be fine for generals to do the same thing with Biden because no one, including our foes and allies believe Biden is competent enough to make snap military decisions if needed to do so, especially with regard to the use of nuclear weapons.

    60. Tina says:

      When does the speaker of the house have input on launch codes? Where is the useless R leadership? This is treasonous.

      Jennifer Griffin
      · 16h
      Pentagon officials: Gen Milley did not try to insert himself in the chain of command regarding the launch of nuclear weapons, but he made sure everyone knew what their roles were and what they weren’t. They reviewed lawful launch procedures following Pelosi phone call.

    61. Phil says:

      …and right on cue, comes our resident Democratic troll.

      ‘’Dear Leader” is gone, asshat. The problem of the corrupt CIA, FBI, and military totally. detached and running wild is still with us. Of course, as we all know, that is not really a problem to “Republican” Robbie.

      Biden has been in office nine months and still not a peep out of good ol Robbie regarding things that really matter regarding a single policy position out of the Biden administration from “Republican” Robbie. Not, one single post.

      Crawl back under your rock, Robbie. You continue to make a fool out of yourself.

    62. Tgca says:

      60 Robbie

      That has nothing to do with it.

      It has to do with judgment of the advisors.

      Reagan chose Alexander Haig as his SoS even though there were reservations and this doofus went on TV to tell all he was in charge while Reagan was in surgery which showed he had no knowledge of the Constitution line of succession if the president is not available to fulfill his duties but he was in a position of power to run the State Dept. and other high level military and security related positions in the past is also unbelievable!

      Thankfully, Haig was forced into resigning shortly into the Reagan presidency which Reagan did not wish to do but was convinced to do by his advisors.

    63. SoHope says:

      Robbie, show me on this doll where the mean bad orange bad man touched you.

      We have civilian control of the military PERIOD.

      If this happened he must resign no matter how mean bad and orange our dully elected president was. There are civilian mechanisms to deal with a president that is calling for a war that is uncalled for. None of them involve the military taking charge.

    64. Phil says:

      Of course it has nothing to do with it.

      Robbie being Robbie. At least his smug buddy Corey has the good sense to not show his face over here since Afghanistan.

      Not ol Robbie. No sir. It’s Trump Trump Trump all day every day….while a leftist administration destroys the country. Not a peep out “Republican” Robbie.

      Of course not.

    65. Tgca says:

      62 Tina

      The appropriate protocol was to advise the VP or cabinet if the generals had serious reservations, and invoke the 25th Amendment if necessary. Since they did not do that suggests they had no serious concern of probable inappropriate action by Trump.

      Having a bad temper and obnoxious personality is a trait of many presidents through history.

      Determining if someone is crazy requires detailed medical review and not something you can determine from personality traits.

      After all, many consider Pelosi crazy for her behavior and actions, should she equally be held to the same standard with respect to what she can and cannot do in her role as Speaker?

    66. Tgca says:

      67. Further clarification.

      Having a bad temper and obnoxious personality is a trait of many presidents through history…and many people from the Sewer State who also think they’re a Philadelphian at heart because they live just 6 miles from it in a some white privileged town and walk 9 blocks daily in Philadelphia to work carrying a 20 to 30 pound briefcase stocked with Woke Coke.

    67. Dylan says:

      The bigger issue is that the left is able to get away with more and more absurd unamerican/insane/marxist behavior with no accountability EVER. and the left just sees no pushback of any consequence and an electorate that just shrugs (does anyone actually buy and read Woodward books anyways?).

      Did Woodward ever think that his book might be framed as evidence of Milley treason? I guarantee you that thought never even crossed his mind. he had no fear of that.

      If the GOP ever were to hypothetically regain the levers of congressional power, there are going to be too many investigations to pursue that it’s all going to end up being white noise. Just like Durham report, benghazi, everything else that whips the right into a sweat frenzy.

    68. Country Dick Montana says:

      Whenever Robbie posts remember:

      $1000 to the Biden campaign
      $500 to ActBlue

      He has never denied it because he knows that I know that it is true.

    69. dylan says:

      “They” are already saying the recall win makes Newsome unbeatable for 2022 reelection.

    70. Tina says:

      Anybody suggesting that trump is to blame for the recall results in Ca is smoking something. He was barely ever mentioned. The most important issue was covid and a generic R was always mentioned with “stop the Republican recall effort.”

      Nuissance and his allies had 70 million to spend for the recall . He still has over $20 million for the 2022 general.

      The Drat party Id is monumental.

      I said the other day Nuissance would win by at least 20 points.

    71. Phil says:

      Dylan, it’s California. If he has a D by his name he IS unbeatable.

    72. Tina says:

      And Nuissance is disgusting, maybe less so than the Venthoarder.

      But when he locked everything down, he kept his businesses opened and sent his kids to private school.

    73. Meldrim says:

      #64, Tgca, you wrote:

      “Reagan chose Alexander Haig as his SoS even though there were reservations and this doofus went on TV to tell all he was in charge while Reagan was in surgery which showed he had no knowledge of the Constitution line of succession if the president is not available to fulfill his duties but he was in a position of power to run the State Dept. and other high level military and security related positions in the past is also unbelievable!”

      Actually, the Constitution does not say that the VP is in charge when the president is in surgery; it says that the VP shall act as president when the president is unable to discharge his duties. The 25th Amendment sets forth the mechanism for declaring the president to be unable to discharge his duties, and such steps had not been taken by VP Bush and the Cabinet, so there was no acting president. As Secretary of State, Haig could exercise his duties just as he could when Reagan was in the White House and not in the hospital, and Haig saying that he was “in command here in the White House” (I believe those were his exact words) merely meant that the Executive Branch would continue to function and that he (Haig) was the highest-ranking officer in the White House while Reagan was in the hospital and Bush was flying back to DC.

      So Alexander Haig did nothing wrong, although obviously the optics could have been better. And it didn’t help that he looked a bit like The Grinch.

    74. Tgca says:

      FDA staff declines to take stance on Pfizer’s Covid vaccine booster shots, citing lack of verified data They think it’s premature and disagree with Biden’s push, as the FDA wants more studies first. Let’s see if they are pressured into changing their stance like the CDC did with its rules after teacher unions pressured Dems.

      I’ve worked long enough in Corporate America to smell that this is more of a money-making scheme compared to protecting people. I know two people who worked in the pharmaceuticals industry at director and VP levels, one in finance and one in the science division and they don’t doubt that the bottom line is driving these booster decisions. One of them works for a COVID vaccine maker too.

      I think gubbermint should mandate a set price in these to cost plus some small profit margin. After all, if we’re in a pandemic and need to operate under emergency authority still, it should not be business as usual and gubbermint rules should kick in like in time of war…riiiiiiight?

      One could also argue the vaccine manufacturers provided a faulty product and misled the country because these vax are neither long-lasting or protective of sickness as originally sold to the public. That being the case, recourse should be that booster shots are at their cost and not the taxpayers but doubt that will happen.

    75. NYCmike says:

      “– Jason fraud to himself, “Nonsense. Trumpism is the light and the truth. So what that it cost Republicans the White House, the House, and the Senate. Governing is not important. Owning the libs on FoxNews is how elections are won. Orange forever. Trump/Elder 2024!””

      -The part about “Governing is not important.” really caught my eye!

      If Republicans had actually governed well, like a Rudy in NYC and a Walker in Wisconsin, then the name Trump would have stayed on the sideline as a circus act he was.

    76. Tgca says:

      76. Meldrim

      I’m aware of that and Alexander Haig noted that Reagan had not turned over authority to his VP, therefore, and he thought therefore he was in charge.

      That would still be incorrect because once a president can’t execute his duties, the line of succession falls in which is VP 1st then Speaker if it is deemed a constitutional crisis. Just like a VP is sworn in very soon with an hour or so after a POTUS kicks the can.

      Thanks for the history lesson but already knew that and the point is Secretary of State has no such authorization to sit in for POTUS if he can’t execute his duties and self elevate himself.

      Reagan was shot and not incapacitated at that point so Haig had no right nor would have Bush either because he had never been incapacitated until his surgery of which he had given the appropriate designation to his VP Bush and clearly not Haig.

      Haig had no control to call shots on behalf of the White House involving its oversight of many areas.

      I believe the only time a cabinet member can take on that role is if the succession of leadership is wiped out along with Congress, that is why one cabinet member is always left behind during state of the union in case of a catastrophe to ensure the gubbermint still has leadership…and it can be any cabinet member so chosen by POTUS and doesn’t have to be a high ranking cabinet position.

      Haig could not act as in charge of the gubbermint and he was widely mocked for this by legal scholars as well and determined to be wrong and it was part of his eventual downfall too.

      Haig was a pompous arrogant person who tried to elevate himself amongst other cabinet members even before this and was rejected as he wanted certain other agencies to fall under him.

      There are actual recordings of this event in closed session with cabinet members who basically told him to fly a kite but there was not a constitutional crisis at the time and the remedy for filling Reagan’s duties was not up to Haig to appoint himself to take over.

      There were examples given to Haig about if a nuclear attack ensued and he felt he had the right to make decisions instead of the VP.

      It was incredulous and a UUUUGE part of why this arrogant fool was later forced out. This debacle has now led to VP assuming power when POTUS is incapacitated for a short period of time like surgery.

    77. Gordon Allen says:

      I thought Trump governed exceptionally well, and the results domestically and internationally verify this. The “republicans” in Washington haven’t governed well since Reagan , until forced to by Trump. For which they hate him. See Liz Cheney.

    78. NYCmike says:

      #80 – agreed.

    79. dylan says:

      Haig’s exact quote was “I am in control here at the white house pending the return of the Vice President.” at that time (March 30, 1981), George HW Bush was aboard Air Force 2 flying back to Washington and they did not have any sort of radio line between that plane and the White House (hard to imagine but it was written about at length in the book Rawhide Down–a great read). I guess Haig could have fought harder for his job but even then, the media pushed him out and had the clout to do it. He was also a crusty older general so not too sympathetic

    80. Wes says:

      NYCmike says:
      September 15, 2021 at 2:02 pm
      “– Jason fraud to himself, “Nonsense. Trumpism is the light and the truth. So what that it cost Republicans the White House, the House, and the Senate. Governing is not important. Owning the libs on FoxNews is how elections are won. Orange forever. Trump/Elder 2024!””

      -The part about “Governing is not important.” really caught my eye!

      If Republicans had actually governed well, like a Rudy in NYC and a Walker in Wisconsin, then the name Trump would have stayed on the sideline as a circus act he was.

      What exactly did Republicans do in 2015 and 2016 to trigger Trump, Mikey?

      Let’s put this time period in context:

      1) They’d beaten Democrats decisively in Congress in 2014, thus completely shutting down Obama’s legislative agenda.

      2) They had won court cases against Obama where the then-President had tried to overreach his authority only to have the Supreme Court by a 9-0 margin slap him down.

      3) They played hardball with Obama on judges, either scuttling many of his appointments or blocking him from making recess appointments.

      4) They forced Obama into court on attempts by the Executive Branch to unilaterally ban types of ammunition as a kind of backdoor gun control.

      Those are a few things they were doing at the time. Meanwhile, rather than trying to keep the party united against Obama, a bunch of whiny crybabies in the Freedom Caucus decided John Boehner was the enemy and tried to overthrow him as Speaker, only to appear on TV and blubber about how much of a bully Boehner was after losing their committee assignments when their insurrection failed.

      By the time Trump descended the escalator in mid-’15, what kind of poor governance had Republicans in Congress engaged in to trigger his viability as a candidate?

      I’ll wait for your answer.

    81. NYCmike says:

      “I’ll wait for your answer.”


      Why are you putting a 2 year time period on my comment? I know I didn’t do that.

      Trump’s campaign centered on long-standing issues: immigration, so called “free trade” and culture wars against political correctness and American exceptionalism. As many have noted, Trump said the same thing in a 1980’s era Oprah interview as he did in 2015.

      All of these were issues which other candidates didn’t articulate as well as Trump did…….especially immigration and trade.

      “Enforce the law” was too tough for Republicans to ask of their elected representatives, both on the border and in the WTO. The border was a mess, like it is again, and China did whatever they wanted, as they are also doing again.

      If you want to continue the argument further, look to speak with 2016 primary voters, not me.

    82. NYCmike says:

      “I’ll wait for your answer.”

      -I would also ask – how is Biden doing with judicial nominees? I have not seen any information, but keep hearing rumors about all of his nominees getting quick and easy confirmations.

    83. Country Dick Montana says:

      Wes- with almost no exceptions Federal politicians are the highest level narcissistic, ever larger government pandering POS’s regardless of their party affiliation. The GOP might slow things down in the name of “good governance” but ultimately the previous years budget is always the new baseline. The level of intrusion is always more and more.

      Why bother. I say let’s get there faster like we are now and give the people a real opportunity to see if they want it. From the looks of things many don’t want what Biden and the rest of his miscreants are selling. Unfortunately, even If the GOP takes both houses of Congress and the Presidency, the bureaucracy will still run things. Our 4th and most powerful branch of Government.

    84. Wes says:

      Here’s a weird thing I know you’re going to have a hard time understanding, Mikey:

      The events surrounding the time period when Trump ran for President are those most relevant to his candidacy.

      You claimed Republicans were not governing well and so created Trump. I gave you a synopsis of what Republicans were actually doing at the time of his announcement and asked what they did at the time he ran to trigger his candidacy.

      You still haven’t answered that very simple question.

    85. Wes says:

      It’s fine if you feel that way, CDM, but irrelevant to the discussion I was having with Mikey.

      Mikey made the claim congressional Republicans created Trump by governing poorly.

      I asked what they were actually doing at the time he ran to give him a platform .

      He has yet to formulate a response.

    86. Country Dick Montana says:

      Wes you ask a good question. What went so wrong in Washington that People looked at Trump as better than the alternative. Trump is not the question. He is the answer to it.

    87. Wes says:

      Washington is always going to breed some resentment by people outside the Beltway, CDM. Issues will go unaddressed. Politicians will lie to their constituents to win elections, only to reverse course upon assuming office. (See Manchin, Joe.) Things outside pols’ control that will negatively affect the general populace will occur.

      Personally I don’t think Trump’s rise had anything to do with what Republicans were doing in Congress at the time. I think his candidacy was a backlash against Obama. Obama had run as an optimistic man of the people in 2008. In office, he was a narcissistic, elitist megalomaniac who basically thought his victory made him an American Papa Doc Duvalier. After severe Dem losses in 2010, Obama ran on a divide-and-rule platform reminiscent of GWB’s reelection bid in 2004 and managed to win reelection by a reduced margin. After he took office for a second term and immediately proved himself a liar by raising taxes not only on the wealthy but also on everyone else–exactly as I had predicted by the way–the poor whites who had bought into his Santa Claus routine despite his racially divisive rhetoric along with some independently thinking members of minority groups became disillusioned with him and began looking for alternatives.

      Trump inherited the seeds of a rural coalition from Romney’s 2012 candidacy, Romney having reversed many of Obama’s gains outside urban areas, and expanded on it with strong appeals to exurban voters. (This was not without some cost as Trump displayed suburban weakness Romney hadn’t displayed.) Trump’s populist rhetoric combined with an elitist opponent who exhibited all Obama’s deficiencies with none of his charm gave him enough of a coalition to win.

      There you have my analysis of how Trump rose to power. I don’t think it had anything to do with what Republicans were or weren’t doing in Congress.

    88. Country Dick Montana says:

      Decent enough answer. Does that explain how he beat out the more established GOP candidates in the primaries? I think there was a lot more disgust for the business as usual GOP.

    89. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      The Real Clear Polling average of polls of Biden’s job approval:

      45.2% Approve
      49.8% Disapprove

      Rasmussen poll – Biden job approval:
      44% Approve
      55% Disapprove

    90. Wes says:

      It’s not really that hard to beat fractured opposition, CDM–especially when one’s chief opponent is the lethargically campaigning brother of the single most unpopular President in recent history.

      Trump knew where to target his voters–and had the luxury of doing that–while the rest of the field fought among themselves to see who would be the anti-Trump. By the time the field was winnowed, Trump had too many important victories and too much momentum to realistically have a chance of losing.

      That’s actually pretty much the same way Romney won the 2012 nomination.

    91. Phil says:

      Republicans we’re not in charge and thus the governing was being done by Democrats, not Republicans. That said, there is a reason Trump was nominated and Republican establishment types like Jeb got one delegate. Republican rank in file voters no longer trusted the Republican leaders to do anything. You might want to ask yourself why that was. It was because Establishment types like W and Romney and MCCain didn’t give a rat’s ass about what we peons that made up the party thought about anything. People got good and tired of it.

      That’s why we got Trump. Pure and simple.

    92. Country Dick Montana says:

      Any one of the other candidates could have pivoted to what Trump was selling. They didn’t because it was antithetical to their own beliefs. People were tired of the same old same old from DC politicians. That and political retreads like any member of the Bush family.

    93. Phil says:


      Bravo. You nailed it exactly….and you are exactly right. The other Republican candidates didn’t pivot because they were absolutely fine with the status quo.

    94. Wes says:

      To be fair, CDM, Trump got a cumulative 40% of the primary vote in 2016. Whether he would have won a higher percentage with a smaller field is a debatable point, but clearly there was broad opposition to him, all of it fractured.

      Honestly had Cruz and Trump been the only two candidates on the ballot in my state, then I would have voted for Trump rather than Rubio, but it’s not at all clear Trump would have won that round of primaries had his opposition coalesced early. He may well have. We just don’t know.

    95. NYCmike says:

      “Mikey made the claim congressional Republicans created Trump by governing poorly.”

      -I did no such thing regarding Congressional Republicans.

      I was speaking in a general sense about our political reality in 2016: unrelenting increase in budgets, as well as new and newer programs always being implemented, laws on the books NOT being enforced, never-ending wars due to the political correct way of fighting adopted by the military because of pressure from the politicians, etc etc etc.

    96. Country Dick Montana says:

      No doubt the group aiming to be the anti Trump helped. But he was really the only one to generate any excitement with his followers. I will admit he was not my first choice, but once he got it he stepped up. Unfortunately, I don’t think the career politicians can learn anything from him.

    97. NYCmike says:

      “I will admit he was not my first choice, but once he got it he stepped up.”


      I was against him until he won the primary.

      After that, he was the only choice, and other than Rudy in 1993, the best choice I ever made in regard to voting.

    98. Wes says:

      That seems like a laundry list of grievances with Obama rather than the GOP, Mikey. Let’s not forget Republicans reduced the size of those ever-increasing budgets and programs via sequestration. You completely forgot–probably intentionally–to mention that.

    99. NYCmike says:


      Come on, I am speaking in general, not in specifics.

      The simple fact is budgets ALWAYS increase. Maybe the rate of increase is lower than what was proposed, but the numbers always go up.

      Democrats are loons. It makes no sense to mention them anymore, as we all know that they will just spend more no matter what. They have no other plan of attack.

      Republicans, on the other hand, speak about fiscal responsibility, but then get to D.C. and continue to make deals instead of hard choices…….mainly because the American people are so ill-informed and the media sets the narrative preferable to any Democrat.

    100. Phil says:

      ….and Republican establishment types have only lost ground with Republican rank in file voters over the last four years. Christie, Cheney, Cassidy, Burr, Romney, Sasse…..helI, I could go on and on and on….McConnell you could throw in there. Has he commented on Milley yet? Of course not. Lol

    101. Tgca says:

      I disagree to a certain level with Wes on Trump. I think the reason many turned to him in the primaries was the disgust and distrust of GOP politicians not doing things many in the GOP wanted them to do.

      If I thought Rubio or Jeb or any of the other GOP primary candidates were really walking their talk, then I would have supported them instead of an outsider. Instead, I figured why not give Trump a try because he could be no worse and he agreed with many of his opponents in the primary issues and resonated on some items he differed with them.

      I think this is also why folks turned to the last major outsider Ross Perot in 1992. Why not give someone else a try since sitting politicians don’t seem to be listening.

    102. Wes says:

      I will say I’m glad Trump endorsed Cheney’s strongest primary opponent, Phil. We’ve seen other Republicans exit the race since then, thus dramatically increasing the chances Cheney will lose next year.

      I’m not sure why you throw Burr in there. I doubt anyone not posting on a political blog or living in NC–besides Jon Tester–who caused Democrats to light $100 million on fire in a vain attempt to oust him in 2016–even knows who he is. Burr announced his intention to retire next year five years ago. He has no future in politics nor any desire for one, so does it really matter if rank and file Republicans don’t care for him?

    103. Tgca says:



      Christie lost me with his antics of do as I say and not as I do that led him to a disastrous 2nd term with respect to approval.

      Rubio lost me early when he went to DC and hooked up with the Gang of 8 and bought into this idea that only Rubio, as a Latin male, could dongle-handedly save the GOP from its expected doom because the new younger face of Obama Dems had arrived. I still cringe when I see the Time cover with Rubio below.

      We all know how that Obama’s coattails did not extend beyond 2016 with Obama suffering an utter defeat with Clinton as his unnatural heir apparent.

      Need we say more of Rubio who has yet to regain his mojo to this date after his humiliating 2016 defeat.

    104. Wes says:

      I think this is also why folks turned to the last major outsider Ross Perot in 1992. Why not give someone else a try since sitting politicians don’t seem to be listening.

      Then Perot scuttled his own candidacy, Tg, and we got a career politician who had been in politics for all but two years since 1976 in the White House. Your example doesn’t help your case.

    105. Tgca says:

      82. Dylan

      We’re aware of the exact quote and what he meant but it was still in err. He had no authority to appoint himself as decision maker of things coming out of the White House that dealt with departments beyond his control.

      Go back and read history. I’ve read about his time in the past and how they wanted to get rid of him early on and it was delayed because Reagan was loyal to his team and did not want to personally fire him until it became so bad, he was forced to ask for his resignation.

      He clashed with other cabinets members and tried to elevate his role over theirs from Day 1 and that was rejected, as he wanted certain departments under other areas to roll up to him.

      There are recordings of the other Cabinet members supposedly arguing with him and telling him he can’t appoint himself and he’s saying stoopid chit like read the Constitution which does not address this issue or give him authority to claim what he tried to do.

      He was widely mocked and never recovered from that but the bigger issue was he was not liked and did not get along with other cabinet members so he was booted.

      Anything else on this is rewriting history.

    106. Phil says:

      No, you are right about Burr, Wes. He has no future in politics nor should he. I included him as another Republican worthless DC creature who couldn’t care less about the Republican base. His tenure as chairman of the Select Senate Intelligence Committee was a f en disgrace, He basically turned it over to the ranking Democrat on that committee Warner who became the de facto chairman….and of course there was his final F You to conservatives with his ridiculous vote to convict Trump on impeachment after Trump had already left office. Good riddance and I’ll bet GOP voters in NC aren’t a bit sorry to see him go. What a disappointment.

    107. Meldrim says:

      #79, Tgca, you are incorrect.

      “That would still be incorrect because once a president can’t execute his duties, the line of succession falls in which is VP 1st then Speaker if it is deemed a constitutional crisis. Just like a VP is sworn in very soon with an hour or so after a POTUS kicks the can.”

      No, that’s not how the 25th Amendment works. For the VP to act as president, it requires either (i) the president himself signing a document stating that he is unable to execute his duties (which Reagan obviously couldn’t do when he was going into surgery) and transmitting it to Congress or (ii) the VP and a majority of the Cabinet signing a document declaring the president to be unable to exercise his duties and transmitting it to Congress. Neither of those things occurred after Reagan was shot, either before or after Haig spoke. What he said was correct.

      “This debacle has now led to VP assuming power when POTUS is incapacitated for a short period of time like surgery.”

      Again, you don’t seem to understand how the 25th Amendment works. When a president is going into surgery that will require general anesthesia, he often will execute a document stating that he will be unable to exercise his duties and transmit such document to Congress, which makes the VP acting president. And after he comes out of anesthesia, he signs a new document saying that he can resume the exercise of his duties and transmits it to Congress, and the VP ceases to be acting president. That does not occur automatically, but requires following the mechanisms set forth in the 25th Amendment. Presidents since 1985 have declared themselves unable to perform their duties when they will have medical procedures performed that require sedation because, when under general anesthesia, a president can’t be woken up even if there’s a missile attack. Reagan ceded power temporarily to Bush once when placed under anesthesia for colon-cancer surgery, and GW Bush ceded power to Cheney twice while undergoing colonoscopies while under sedation.

      (I am reminded of that classic scene in The Longest Day in which the German officer insists that the squadrons that were located elsewhere in France be redirected to Normandy to stop the ongoing Allied invasion, but he is told that only the Führer can issue such order. When he asks that they speak to Hitler so that he can issue the order, he is informed that “the Führer has taken a sleeping pill and ordered that he not be disturbed.” The officer then hangs up the phone and says (I paraphrase) “we will lose the war because of these words: the Führer has taken a sleeping pill and ordered that he not be disturbed.”)

    108. Tgca says:

      What we’re seeing with Milley has some analogy to Haig – military leaders thinking they can swoop in and take control. That’s what banana republics do.

      Haig and Milley are similar to me in terms of arrogance and pompous believing they can just walk in and take charge and make decisions not realizing that the military chain of command is very different than the civilian gubbermint roles.

      Gubbermint though steeped in bureaucratic red tape, has processes they go through and is far less regimented than the military.

      Bottom line. Haig made himself a laughing stock and will forever be remembered for that arrogant blunder.

    109. Meldrim says:

      #113, Tgca, Haig didn’t appoint himself anything. He merely said that, as the highest member of the Administration presently at the White House, he was in command at the White House while the president was heading to surgery and the VP was flying back to DC. Stop calling it what it wasn’t. You sound like those Leftards who claim that the riot at the U.S. Capitol was “an attempted coup.” Lighten up, Francis.

    110. Meldrim says:

      #111, Wes, I would emend your reply to clarify that, while Bill Clinton had been *in public office* for all but 2 years since 1976 when he was elected president in 1992, he had been *in politics* uninterruptedly since at least 1974 (when he ran unsuccessfully for Congress from the Fayetteville-based AR-03).

    111. Tgca says:

      115. Meldrim

      I understand how it works so stop with the arrogance as you act like Haig yourself. I disagree with you on interpreting it.

      The 25th Amendment, like many amendments and clauses don’t point out every scenario so we rely on the intent of the framers. Trays why we have a SCOTUS too to help interpret the gray area.

      There is a required process to go through to officially to start the line of succession but that is far different from a cabinet member promoting they immediately take charge for the president if the paperwork is not filled out yet for the 25th Amendment and the president is unable to fulfill his duties. You think the framers intended for that? REALLY?

      Please cite the gubbermint regulation or law or constitutional legal precedent that says a cabinet member can appoint themselves in charge of decisions coming out of the White House that can be anything from any department serving at the pleasure of the president.

      What if immediately after the president being shot and unable to fulfill his duties the US was attacked by USSR with nuclear weapons? You’re saying the White House has minutes to respond and a cabinet member can a mount himself to make that call? This was an example given to Haig by his peers that he had no right to do this.

      What if all air traffic controllers went on strike 10 minutes after a president is shot. A cabinet member could step in and fire them like Reagan did? Or maybe issue pardons. Could a cabinet member acting in charge grant those too?

      There are many other examples that defy common sense and rule of law here that I could provide.

      Provide the constitutional authority that says a cabinet member bypasses the line of succession. Please cite it because your personal feelings don’t drive constitutional intent.

    112. Tgca says:

      117. Meldrim

      In English that means I’m putting myself in charge and he had no legal right to do that. What else does “I’m in charge” mean. Perhaps you failed your ESL. I dunno.

      We know what he said. Had he made decisions during that time of any consequence, I would bet they could be challenged as unconstitutional. You are the only source I have ever come across to defend his decision as being appropriate in all these years.

      Again, show us the law or regulation or precedent that allows him to make decisions for the White House?

      You have provided not one iota of evidence to support your claim.

      You sound like the snowflakes that argue their feelings regardless what the real world is.

    113. Tgca says:

      Further, the Cabinet are advisors to POTUS. The official day-to-day management of the White House is by the Chief of Staff. They determine who has access and privileges in consultation with POTUS and keep POTUS on an agenda. They are in essence, the right hand “insert desired gender here” for POTUS.

      Being that POTUS travels frequently, the role of running the White House is the Chief of Staff and it runs routinely well without POTUS being involved in every decision.

      The fact that Haig was unsuccessful in his attempt shows that he was wrong.

      Sorry but details matter.

    114. NYCmike says:

      Actually, Wes, my main culprit is Bush and the Republican Congress in 2001.

      At that time, cuts in programs could have been made, if they had any desire to do so. Block grants to states could have replaced Education Dept, Housing, and many other departments that have state agencies which can do the same thing.

    115. Tgca says:

      Now back to more important things than re-educating people trying to rewrite history.

      Top U.S. military commander Gen. Mark Milley was never authorized to have secret calls with his Chinese counterpart in the final months of Donald Trump’s presidency over concerns Trump could spark a war, former acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller told Fox News Wednesday.

      Miller added that if the allegations prove true, the general must resign immediately or be ousted.

      The chain of command runs from the President to the Secretary of Defense, not through the Chairman.”

    116. Wes says:

      It’s amazing how Ray Harryhausen could instill more pathos with stop motion models than most modern SPFX workers can create with their multimillion CGI work:

      Gwangi and the elephant have the two saddest deaths in this movie.

    117. Cash Cow TM says:


      1 in 500 Americans have died of Covid since 1st infection…

    118. Cash Cow TM says:

      Herald-Mail Media

      Yesterday at 7:00 AM ·

      The investigations, several of which have already spanned nearly a year, are unfolding as new research suggested government counts likely missed more than 16,000 COVID-19 deaths in U.S. nursing homes during the early months of the pandemic last year.

    119. Meldrim says:

      Tgca, once again, Haig did not claim that he could act as president, only that he was in command at the White House while the president was being rushed to surgery and the VP was in transit and incommunicado.

      And, for someone who claims to understand what the Constitution works, you keep proving that you have no clue. If Reagan was shot and 10 minutes later the air-traffic controllers went on strike, not only could SoS Haig not fire them, but VP Bush couldn’t fire them; if Bush and a majority of the Cabinet invoked Section 4 of the 25th Amendment and transmitted the signed document to Congress, only then would Bush become acting president and be able to fire the air-traffic controllers. (I’m assuming that only the president was authorized to fire the air-traffic controllers; if applicable law permitted, say, the Secretary of Transportation to take such action, then whoever the Secretary of Transportation was at the time (not Liddy Dole, as she went in later) would be able to fire the air-traffic controllers even while the president was in the hospital.) If reading the Constitution doesn’t do the trick, maybe you can watch “Air Force One,” in which VP Glen Close could not become acting president unless she signed the declaration that President Harrison Ford was unable to perform his duties, so, unless and until she did so, she could not overrule the Secretary of Defense on defense matters.

    120. Meldrim says:

      Cow, may I assume that when Drudge reported that “1 in 500 Americans have died of Covid since 1st infection…” that he meant that, since February 2020, 0.5% of U.S. deaths have been of people who died of COVID?

    121. Tgca says:

      127. Meldrim

      Was do you think command of the White House means?

      The Chief of Staff runs the White House.

      Why does a cabinet member who has nothing to do with White House duties need to step in and oversee the role already assigned the Chief of Staff who reports to POTUS?

      Again, please provide the legal authority he had here because I notice you keep dodging that request.

      Why did the rest of the cabinet disagree with him vociferously?

      Why did he never execute that role after announcing it?

      Why was he widely mocked by political and legal scholars at the time and historically?

      Provide the legal authority where he can assert that command or stop twisting yourself into a pretzel with “why you think he had that right” because you sound like Biden defenders that says he has a right bypass Congress and make law. No such constitutional or legal right exists as the courts have decided time and time again.

      He has as much say about being in command of the White House than I do as saying I’m in charge of HHR when Dave W is not around.

      He had no authority bestowed on him by chain of command, law, regulations, or legal precedent. He assumed incorrectly he had authority and that stems from his arrogance and attempt to elevate his position above other cabinet members which was vetoed by Reagan and advisors.

    122. Tgca says:


      My examples were similar to what others at the time tried to explain to Haig. It was purposely meant to exaggerate the hypothetical often used to address such nonsense in legal challenges. If you had done your research you would know that and you would know Haig challenged others that they should read the constitution in rebutting their claims.

      Please explain to me where in the constitution the cabinet member has authority to step in and anoint themselves in command of anything outside their department. I’ve read many parts of it over the years and have table coffee book of it but my version doesn’t seem to have that right listed

      It’s an absurd argument he lost and you seem to believe is correct against the historical record.

      I don’t know what kind of lawyer or paralegal you are or where you got your EDUMACATION but you appear to be as knowledgeable of constitutional law as Obama who they claimed was an constitutional expert after never trying any such cases, being published and after teaching a part-time class on it.

      Sorry! I’ll stick with the official historical record on this matter.

    123. Tgca says:



      That’s almost as sad as when I had to euthanize a sick fish last week. 🙁

    124. Bitterlaw says:

      Haig and Milley are similar to me in terms of arrogance and pompous believing they can just walk in and take charge and make decisions.

      I am relieved to know that Tgca now admits that he is arrogant and pompous.

    125. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      You Gov Poll, 1500 Adults
      Biden Job Approval
      44% Approve
      48% Disapprove

      You Gov Poll, 1,252 RV
      Biden Job Approval
      46% Approve
      49% Disapprove

    126. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca’s fights with Pitch and Meldrim are boring. HHR deserves better.

    127. Tgca says:


      Agreed! I admit HE, meaning Haig, is arrogant and pompous similar to most lawyers as tonight proves. It’s part of what cost HE, assuming that is Haig’s preferred pronoun, his job, especially thinking HE should be above all other cabinet members that caused division from Day 1 and finally led to HE’s forced resignation in less than 2 years.

      Sometimes, generals don’t make good leaders in civilian roles because they are nurtured and grow through a military structure which is totally different than civilian structure.

      It’s important for the military to advise and consent but they don’t necessarily make good administrative leaders in civilian roles.

      As an example, I know a company that hired a retired general to run one of their business departments and he didn’t last very long because he struggled with making the adjustment to civilian roles.

    128. Country Dick Montana says:

      In Hamlet, Shakespeare writes that “Brevity is the soul of wit.”

      Tgca and Meldrim belong in witless protection.

    129. Tgca says:


      True! Our debates are over details and nuance which I actually enjoy. I’d rather write a position paper on some detailed item than debate “feelings,”

      Some folks like to just argue over insinuations and perceived accusations.

      To each his own I guess.

    130. Tgca says:

      137. CDM

      I get it! The ‘“stoopid ” class reads headlines and the intellectually curious devour meaningful details.

    131. Tgca says:

      Anyone else want to be insulted tonight by an EXPERT in all things except all things gay to which I defer to LisaB as our resident expert.

    132. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Sept. 9-14, 2021
      McLaughlin & Associates, 1,000 LV
      Biden Job Approval
      Approve 47%
      Disapprove 52%

      McLaughlin & Associates, 1,000 LV
      Biden 47%
      Trump Sr 50%

      McLaughlin & Associates, 1,000 LV
      Harris 47%
      Trump Sr. 49%

    133. Bitterlaw says:

      Grammar matters, Tgca. Your sentence clearly expressed that Haig and Miley are similar TO YOU rather than similar to each other. You can’t hide behind your Newark education forever.

    134. lisab says:

      The large margin of Newsom’s victory provides the governor with a mandate to continue pursuing liberal policies on issues such as healthcare, climate change and immigration.

    135. lisab says:

      The pandemic put Newsom in jeopardy, but it also saved him. And COVID-19 may provide a road map for Democrats as they head into the midterm elections. On Monday, Biden leaned heavily into Newsom’s handling of the pandemic to argue that the governor should not be recalled.

    136. lisab says:

      Even before votes were cast, this recall election has prompted calls for reform of California’s electoral rules. Critics argue that it’s too easy to qualify a recall for the ballot and that the two-question format — which places both the recall question and a list of replacement candidates in front of voters simultaneously — is confusing. It’s also expensive, with the special election projected to cost $276 million in taxpayer dollars.

    137. lisab says:

      Republicans — notably former President Trump and Elder — sought to undermine the integrity of the recall before voters headed to the polls Tuesday by saying the election was rigged.

      There are multiple verification processes to prevent fraudulent voting, and there is no evidence of cheating, but some Republicans are laying the groundwork for baselessly challenging the results of the election.

      “They’re trying to throw battery acid on our Constitution, on our electoral norms,” Newsom advisor Sean Clegg told reporters Monday, before a rally in support of the governor that featured President Biden. “And it’s a preview of coming attractions. We’re going to see the same thing in 2022 and the same thing in 2024.”

      Some Republicans speculated that such baseless claims suppressed voter turnout Tuesday. Others, including former state GOP chairman Ron Nehring, said the messaging played into Russian President Vladimir Putin’s efforts to undermine American democracy.

    138. lisab says:

      Gavin Newsom won, but California still has a Republican Party problem

    139. Bitterlaw says:

      Lisab plagiarizes more than Biden. She copied those posts from somewhere.

    140. Tgca says:


      It was a typo.

      But not like when you used the “fag” word at me a few months back.

      Does that grammar matter too you bigot?

    141. Tina says:

      New Jebot spin:

      Whispers of Dementia
      · 42m
      Replying to @Shem_Infinite and @wakeywakey16
      Ha… The fraudulent FISA warrants on Carter Page are now called “botched wiretap applications.”

    142. Bitterlaw says:

      Zzzzzzzzzz. I don’t recall that. If it was posted, it was clearly a typo. Nobody has been more accepting of your sexuality at HHR than me. Not even our expert on gays.

      You did not make a typo. You made an obvious error. You could have said, “To me, Haig and Milley are similar…”. But you didn’t so GFY. No free lunch. My post started out as joke since you are pompous and arrogant and your error was easy to use to mock you.

    143. lisab says:

      Psaki rejects GOP calls for Gen. Mark Milley’s dismissal, saying ‘many of them were silent’ as Trump ‘fomented an insurrection’

    144. Bitterlaw says:

      For those wondering if lisab began using capital letters in her posts:

      No. Just copying and pasting.

    145. lisab says:

      Equal pay in sport: US Soccer offers identical contracts to men’s and women’s teams

    146. Bitterlaw says:

      At least she extended her search.

    147. lisab says:

      Two factions in the Taliban leadership fought each other late last week, the BBC said.

      They disagreed over who did the most to kick out the US, and who should get certain cabinet jobs.

      The leader of one side, Taliban cofounder Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, hasn’t been seen since.

    148. michael corleone says:

      #146 – Lisa

      The Ds in California repealed the secret ballot (via universal mail in voting and ballot harvesting), and the state routinely sends ballots to ineligible voters (or sends multiple ballots to the same eligible one) and we are supposed to ignore this?

      Two thinks can be true at once – Rs lost this election and would have lost an entirely clean election, but CA elections are still inherently unjust.

    149. Tgca says:

      Moderna analysis: Those vaccinated last year twice more likely to get COVID-19 than those jabbed recently justifying the reason booster are needed.

      I guess another way of looking at it is that Moderna put out a faulty vaccines that lasts significantly less than a year.

    150. lisab says:

      The Ds in California repealed the secret ballot (via universal mail in voting and ballot harvesting), and the state routinely sends ballots to ineligible voters (or sends multiple ballots to the same eligible one) and we are supposed to ignore this?

      i think they are setting the stage so that if any questions are asked about an election they will be able to dismiss you outright

    151. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      158. “In January 2021, an article in the journal Scientific American correctly predicted where we would be at now, and indicated new types of vaccines were on the way. The key is new forms of vaccines being developed, not boosters that might need to be taken multiple times a year because the present vaccines only create immunity for a period several months:

      “But by far the most important issue, Altmann says, is “durability”: how long people remain immune after vaccination. If a vaccine confers immunity for only a few months rather than many years, little progress will have been made in six months. By then we could be faced with more virulent forms of the disease swirling around the globe.

      The good news, however, is that “second generation” vaccines are being developed by researchers, many of whom are working with novel techniques. “We have an embarrassment of riches,” Altmann says. “One thing that certainly hasn’t been appreciated by most people is that, on the back burner, the field of vaccinology has been steaming ahead over the past 15 years, developing a range of incredibly snazzy strategies.”
      There are nearly 240 novel vaccine candidates in development, waiting in the wings for their moment. Here are a few that show the most potential.”

    152. lisab says:

      AOC and the Met Gala

      To set the record straight, AOC is working class. Yes, she’s a politician who now makes just shy of 200K a year, but she came from and is still working class.

      Her ticket to the Met Gala was free. She couldn’t and wouldn’t have spent for it. Her dress was borrowed. She didn’t shell out for it. She’s not rich, she’s not bourgeoisie, and she’s not a traitor.

      If we want to take that line as Leftists and roast one of our own every time they appear amongst the rich, we aren’t engaging as good faith Leftists looking to build coalition and a more compassionate world. We’re being opportunists looking to tear others down.

      We’re every bit as bad as the Liberals who looked down their noses at Occupy for having iPads, as the Conservatives who think poor people having TVs is too much of a luxury.

      AOC isn’t some idol or queen or whatever. We don’t need to treat her that way. But she is actively fighting for the working class, and she chose to make a statement with her invite to the Met Gala. Not by rejecting it and sitting out, but by painting a literal billboard on her body around the main issue we are all trying to get across.

      I don’t think she always makes good policy. I think she sometimes acts like a liberal. But this was not one of those times. We have to be above outrage of this variety, because it does nothing to move our cause forward and everything to make us look divided and petty.

      If you’re angry at AOC for showing up to a bougie event, I get it. But please sit with those feelings instead of being a reactionary. It brings the wrong energy into Leftist spaces. We aren’t here to tear down others fighting for equity. We aren’t here to be reactionarily like liberals and conservatives. We’re here to dismantle inequity, every way that we can.

    153. Tgca says:

      Interesting short video from Dr. who owns largest lab in Idaho about anomalies he’s seeing from vaccinated Covid patients. I did not do extensive research on him which is often a good idea for anyone making medical claims.

      U.S. doctor reports a ’20 times increase’ of cancer in vaccinated patients in lab studies.

      He makes a valid point many of us have made. These vaccines did not go through long-term studies and the powers that be are refusing to look at certain issues brought to light regarding the vaccine and other treatments.

      We’ve seen across the world where other countries have successfully used medical interventions or noted vaccine anomalies but these are being discounted without any studies.

      Dr. Fow- chee did this same BS during AIDS epidemic where they put all their eggs in one basket and refused to research other potentially promising treatments and they focused mainly just on AZT, a cancer drug which ravaged the body and had horrible toxic side effects and did not bring the success they thought. Today AIDS treatments use a myriad of cocktails (as proposed in earlier times but rejected by Fow-chee and friends) to more successfully treat HIV and keep it in check but Fow-chee and company are again making the same mistakes with Covid that they did on AIDS treatments.

    154. Tgca says:

      160. SDC

      Well, you go and try those vaccines and don’t complain to me when you’re testicles swell up real big and you become impotent and your boyfriend leaves you just like what happened to Nicki Minaj’ cousin friend in Trinidad who got left at the altar by his wife to be. So everyone knows this poor guy got dumped, is impotent and has elephant balls. Now that’s stress I thay!

      You’ll be sorry then for not listening to me and Nicki Minaj!

    155. lisab says:

      do testicles swell up?

    156. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Sadly, it looks like the beneficial therapeutic effects of the vaccine is preventing serious disease may wear off over time:

      From the Irish Times:

      “About half of all Covid-19 patients in hospital and in intensive care are fully vaccinated against the disease, new figures show.
      One-sixth of deaths of people with the virus since April have been categorised as breakthrough infections of fully vaccinated patients, according to Health Service Executive data.
      More than one-quarter of ICU admissions since July were also breakthrough infections of fully vaccinated people.
      The proportion of vaccinated people requiring treatment in hospital has been increasing over recent months, as the number of vaccinated people in the wider population has risen.”

    157. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Once upon a time there was a government so caring that it provided free food, healthcare, education, it guaranteed you a job, clothes, and a place to live. And the people in those countries risked life and limb to escape to countries that offered them genuine freedom instead.

    158. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      163, 164. I suppose that the fact that posters who live east of the Mississippi River are asking a beef-eating Westerner about the effects of the virus on a certain part of the anatomy says something.

    159. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Ancient Chinese authority on the Art of War:

      General Mi Li

      “Inform your enemy of your attack plans”

    160. lisab says:

      i live west of the mississippi

      and i was asking in general not specifically in regards to the virus

    161. jason says:

      But she is actively fighting for the working class,”


      What a crock of crap.

      She is actively fighting for a communist system of government, which we already know is not favorable to the “working class”.

      AOC’s agenda is not for the working class.

      Let’s get real.

    162. jason says:

      Her ticket to the Met Gala was free. She couldn’t and wouldn’t have spent for it. Her dress was borrowed. She didn’t shell out for it. She’s not rich, she’s not bourgeoisie, and she’s not a traitor.”

      Wrong, wrong, wrong.

      The ticket wasn’t “free”. Someone paid for it. Her dress wasn’t “free”. She IS wealthier than most Americans. She is bourgeoisie. And she IS a traitor.

    163. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      I am beginning to believe that FOX Military Reporter, Jennifer Griffen, suffers from a political case of Stockholm Syndrome.
      All day yesterday she played Defense Counsel for the Dept. of Defense in the Milley matter. She would not countenance any refutations from the FOX hosts.

      If you recall, in the Summer of 2020 and even after 20 eye witnesses( including Trump’s Secret Service detail) said the story was bogus, she continued on for a week that “according to an impeccable source at the DOD”, Trump refused to visit an American cemetery in France because of inclement weather.

      She reports some things well, but is too close and not skeptical enough of her sources. FOX should transfer her to another beat.

    164. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Good news for Devin Nunes. His defamation suit which was dismissed by a District Court Judge can continue. A Circuit Court overruled the Lower Court.
      Discovery in this case should be “interesting”!

    165. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      New Virginia Governor’s Poll; Sleazy TMac up 4, 49/45. 15% of Republicans cross over to vote for TMac. Why? Youngkin +14 with Independents.

    166. Gordon Allen says:

      Griffin is a mouthpiece for the DOD,which appears like the ” intelligence agencies”, to be loaded with the Deep State operatives some here claim don’t exist: like looking at an ant hill and claiming not to see any ants.

    167. Tgca says:

      176 Sheep

      I don’t like that poll so I’m calling it trash and unreliable. If I liked it then the poll would be fine and reliable.

      I don’t understand how Youngkin only has 82% of the GOP? Who are these 15% of GOP supporting TMac? The saving grace is undecided seem to break to Youngkin by 2/3 though that alone doesn’t guarantee him a win. He needs to up the GOP % by a few points to win.

      Once again women voters prove again why the 19th amendment should be repealed. Why do so many women continuously support lefty and/or unscrupulous candidates but then whine and complain about the status quo. Can’t they see you get what you pay for? They’re like the dumbass Union dudes that vote for the radical lefties to protect their union status but get screwed every other way including sending their jobs to to others.

      It’s just mind-boggling I tell ya!

    168. Tina says:

      What about prosecutions?

      Sean Langille
      · 12h
      Durham has yet to submit an official report to the Department of Justice, however Fox News has learned through two sources familiar that some of it is expected to include unfavorable information about the FBI

    169. Tgca says:

      Durham seeks indictment against lawyer at Steele dossier-linked law firm over Alfa Bank matter

      My understanding is the statute of limitations is running on this at 5 years so Durham has only days to act on this. Defendant Sussman supposedly brought info, later found to be bogus, on Russia and Trump to FBI and lied about which client he was representing. Clearly, if it were Clinton then that’s a problem because it suggests he was trying to interfere in the election using the FBI.

      This lawyer was ex FBI and then went to Dem legal powerhouse Cole Perkins Law where he worked on the Hillary campaign.

      Cole Perkins billing records were subpoenaed and they found during the times he was working with the FBI on the bogus claims, he was billing Clinton/DNC campaign which suggest they were the client and not some other 3rd party.

      I saw where his lawyers argue he was actually working on other non-Clinton clients at that time so the billing records are misleading.

      So his defense is he committed billing fraud while operating out of the goodness of his heart bringing Russian collusion info to the FBI associated with non-political clients? REALLY?

      Hopefully, Durham has more than just conflicting billing records and has other corroborating evidence to support any indictments though I still think this is low hanging fruit and the real perps in Justice will get away with crimes.

    170. Tgca says:

      179. Tina

      I don’t how this indictment info is slipping out but it’s been suggested Dems are leaking it to change the narrative on Biden failures.

    171. Tgca says:

      Australia: Strategic shifts led it to acquire at least 8 nuclear subs but they’re expected delivery is by 2040.

      This is clearly because of Chinas aggression that Australia, a country without nukes is now getting nuclear powered subs which come with more evasive technology.

      Expect more tit for tat in the region as the US fails to step up to China. France is pissed because they’re losing contracts.

      Not sure this will make a difference but it can further erode China/Australia relations that have soured recently.

    172. mnw says:

      RE: Rep. Ann Wagner in MO-02:

      I think it was Wobbles, (wasn’t it?) who kept insisting over & over that “It looks like Wagner is a goner”– until she was re-elected comfortably.

      Well, she’ll be getting one of the safer GOP seats in the nation after the next redistricting. Because in MO, AA voters are concentrated neatly into the 2 metro areas, while everything else is ruby red, which makes redistricting easy in a state the GOP controls totally.

      Btw, the DEMs look to nominate a distinguished military vet for Senate– they are crafty in that way. I’m still very leery of Greitens as the GOP nominee.

    173. Bitterlaw says:

      mnw – Glad to see you return. Even if you did kill the thread.

    174. Tgca says:

      Federal Grand Jury Indicts Lawyer Who Represented Clinton Campaign

    175. Cash Cow TM says:

      t”These pretzels are making me thirsty.”

    176. Tina says:


      Police cars revolving lightBREAKING: Durham Grand Jury INDICTS lawyer Michael Sussmann whose firm represented Hillary Clinton campaign

    177. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “How concerned are you that crowds attending football games may spread COVID-19?”

      Very + Somewhat = Total Concerned
      Men: 31+24=55%
      Women: 36+26=62%
      White: 28+26=54%
      Black: 51+21=72%
      Oth Non-Wht: 39+24=63%
      Dem: 52+28=80%
      Unafil: 29+26=55%
      GOP: 18+21=39%
      All Adults: 34+25=59%

      What concerns me on the crowd size is the ability to get tickets to the game.

    178. Tina says:

      Chuck Ross
      As much as Durham tries to portray the FBI as a victim of Sussmann, the Comey FBI knew by Feb 2017 that Sussmann’s info was bogus. Comey didn’t reveal that though. It didn’t come out until 2 years later, well after the collusion conspiracy had completely infected the Resistance

    179. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “let me state something here : i had COVID before getting Pfizer shots . My max fever with COVID was 103 over 4 day period then slow recovery
      after 2nd Pfizer shot ? 105 fever that night , 103 the next 3 days and weakness for a week…”

      I likely had a mild case of COVID in April 2020, which lasted about two days – mild flu like symptoms. The 2nd Pfizer vaccine in April 2021 was a nightmare that lasted three days, and nearly sent me to the hospital.

      There needs to be a test developed that will determine if an individual has natural immunity.

    180. Pitchaboy says:

      There is one such test. Called Covid antibody panel.

    181. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      191. Am not sure it would be a beneficial test for me at this point. Since I have been vaccinated, not sure the test can differentiate between antibodies resulting from exposure to the virus, and antibodies that were created by exposure to the vaccine.

      Then there is always the possibity a new strain of the virus may emerge that can evade the antibodies created by earlier strains of the virus. Hope this doesn’t turn into a situation like the flu, where we need periodic booster shots to deal with new variants. By the way, despite may bad experience with the 2nd dose of the vaccine, I would keep an open mind about taking a booster shot in the future.

    182. Tgca says:


      Sorry you had such a bad experience with the Covid vaccine but that is often the case with old people. 🙂

      At this rate with vaccines showing reduced immunity after 4 to 6 months, as recently reported I would expect there to be a call for boosters.

      Some studies have shown natural immunity lasting longer. Time will tell.

    183. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      193. I wish you had told the California health authorities I was an old guy. Maybe I wouldn’t have had to wait until late Spring to qualify to get the vaccine.

      We both agree that in many cases vaccinations provide immunity from infection for only a period of months. Agree that natural immunity is likely stronger and more long term — the key is to get some sort of easy to administer test that will show whether someone has strong natural immunity. Otherwise, in the abundance of caution, my feeling is its best get vaccinated, particularly if you interact with a lot of people. The therapeutic benefit makes it worth it.

    184. jason says:

      One less scumbag in Congress. Note the guy says he will devote his energies to keep Dems in power.

      “One of the 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach former President Donald Trump for his role in inciting the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol announced Thursday night he will not seek reelection in Ohio next year.

      Rep. Anthony Gonzalez, R-Ohio, a former NFL player with a once-bright political future, cited his two young children for his decision and noted “the chaotic political environment that currently infects our country.” He is the first Latino to represent Ohio in Congress.

      Gonzalez, 36, would have faced Max Miller in the 2022 primary. Trump has endorsed Miller, his former White House and campaign aide, as part of his bid to punish those who voted for his impeachment or blocked his efforts to overturn the results of the election. Trump rallied for Miller this summer.

      He said he plans to spend his time now working to prevent Trump from being elected to the White House again.

      “Most of my political energy will be spent working on that exact goal,” he said.

    185. jason says:

      Jason fraud to himself, “Nonsense. Trumpism is the light and the truth. So what that it cost Republicans the White House, the House, and the Senate. Governing is not important. Owning the libs on FoxNews is how elections are won. Orange forever. Trump/Elder 2024!”

      It must suck to be Amoral Scumbag. Poor miserable bastard got everything he wanted: Biden, Biden’s agenda, Pelosi, Schumer, the works. But he is still unhappy.

      Trump/Elder would be a lot better than Biden/Harris, btw.

    186. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      195. “He said he plans to spend his time now working to prevent Trump from being elected to the White House again.”

      Really? He has his work cut out for him:

      @PollTrackerUSA, Sep 15
      2024 National Republican Primary Poll:

      Trump 59%
      Pence 10%
      DeSantis 8%
      Cruz 3%
      Romney 3%
      Haley 2%
      Rubio 2%
      Kasich 2%
      Cheney 2%
      Owens 1%
      T. Scott 1%
      Pompeo 1%
      Cotton 1%
      R. Scott 1%
      Noem 0%
      McLaughlin & Associates ~ 456 LV ~ 9/9-9/14

    187. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Poll tracker also polled the Democratic candidates for 2024, and did not even include Joe Biden. Are they noticing something that just about everyone else on the planet also sees:

      @PollTrackerUSA, Sep 15
      2024 National Democratic Primary Poll:

      Harris 29%
      M. Obama 17%
      Ocasio-Cortez 7%
      Buttigieg 7%
      Abrams 5%
      Booker 4%
      Klobuchar 3%
      O’Rourke 3%
      Cuomo 2%
      Newsom 2%
      Gillibrand 1%
      Patrick 1%
      Steyer 1%
      Hickenlooper 0%
      Kaine 0%
      Omar 0%
      McLaughlin & Associates ~ 476 LV ~ 9/9-9/14

    188. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      196. Jason you must be honored. Concerned troll now does a quick fly by on about every thread, and he specifically mentions you. You must be a Bogo Pogo legend.

    189. Meldrim says:

      CC (pick up that guitar, make it talk to me)

      #183, mnw, to be fair to Robbie, things looked really bad for Wagner after the MO primaries. While it was expected that more Democrats would turn out due to the presidential contest, the number of persons voting in the Dem primary in MO-02 was far higher than in the GOP primary in the district. It was the type of result that usually leads to the incumbent Republican losing. Drspite those headwinds, Wagner campaigned hard and won by around 6%, despite Trump carrying the CD by less than 0.1%.

      Trump had carried the MO-02 handily in 2016 (by 10.3%), and Romney thumped Obama there by 15.7% in 2012, so the swing towards the Democrats there was almost as big as in Atlanta, Dallas and Houston suburbs. Fortunately, because Republicans control redistricting and the St. Louis-based MO-01 (currently represented by freshman Squad member Cori Bush after around 50 years of being represented by Bill Clay and his son Lacy) needs to pick up a lot of population, it’s easy enough to move newly Democrat areas in St. Louis County to that Democrat vote sink that is MO-01. I’m glad that the GOP legislature isn’t chickening out and is packing even more Democrats into MO-01.

      What will be interesting is whatvthe GOP will do in the Kansas City area. The counties to the south and east of KC’s Jackson County are über-Republican, and if Jackson County is split evenly into two districts the GOP counties that one could attach to each CD will result in two GOP CDs instead of the current Dem stronghold and GOP stronghold. I think that they should go for it.

    190. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Does anyone know how Youngkin(R) did in the VA Governor’s debate last evening against sleazy TMac?

    191. Tgca says:

      Crazy Nancy says:

      In America, capitalism is our system, it is our economic system, but it has not served our economy as well as it should,” she told a Chatham House event.

      So Nancy thinks we should improve capitalism but with more socialism as the policies she advocates represent.

      Got it!

      Let’s improve capitalism with socialism!

    192. Gordon Allen says:

      Biden ends week 43-55 and -21 on Rasmussen. By now that’s not Afghanistan ,and the press is back coddling him.
      He may be where Carter was in 1979,when people had formed a clear image of him being incompetent and unlikeable.
      That becomes self fulfilling at some point.

    193. Bitterlaw says:

      I believe that Robbie was a Republican when he began posting at HHR. He is now trolling us. Both can be true.

      I will never understand his inability to hate Trump as a person but still push the button next to his name on Election Day. It was easy.

    194. mnw says:

      200 Meldrin

      You said exactly what I said. You weren’t here & don’t know what a jerk Wobbles was. Nobody flat out wishcasted that “Wagner is a goner!” except him. The universal consensus in MO was that Wagner would be reelected. Wobbles pinned his hopes on a couple of suspicious polls.

      The MO GOP in MO would be crazy to play the games you suggest they play in KC. That is way too cute.

    195. Tgca says:

      205 mnw

      Agreed! What’s good is for the goose is good for the gander or as vegans might say, what is good for the tempeh is good for the tofu.

      It’s one thing to say you adopted this policy 1st so we’re just doing what you did or retaliating once in kind to set an example how these things come back to haunt you and to discourage either side from abusing it again – think Harry Reid casting aside long-held Senate rules and what later the GOP followed – but it’s another thing to try and get too cute with overly partisan tactics like obscene gerrymandering that will probably come back to haunt you someday. This is the problem with politics these days.

    196. Country Dick Montana says:

      Robbie is as much a Republican as I am a brain surgeon. Remember the following whenever he posts:

      $1000 to the Biden campaign (right up to November)
      $500 to ActBlue

      He will never deny it.

    197. jason says:

      96. Jason you must be honored. Concerned troll now does a quick fly by on about every thread, and he specifically mentions you. You must be a Bogo Pogo legend.”

      I love living rent free in Amoral Scumbag’s tiny brain.

      He actually knows few people here are as critical of Trump as I have been, but he hates it that I pegged him long ago as dishonest scum that repeats the same M.O. every election cycle now for way over a decade.

      He never supported any Republican, certainly none that could win, I doubt he would have even voted for Jeb if he actually won the nomination.

      And I guess only Bitter believes Amoral Scumbag voted for Trump.

    198. Bitterlaw says:

      Robbie is as much a Republican as I am a brain surgeon.

      I believe that Robbie was a Republican when he began posting at HHR.

      Notice the past tense “was.”

    199. Meldrim says:

      Yeah, if Republican redistricters play nice in MO, surely the Democrats won’t gerrymander the heck out of IL, NY, VA, etc.

      What I’m proposing is that the GOP draw two 55% Trump districts in that part of the state instead of one 40% Trump CD and one 70% Trump CD. Nothing too radical or risky.

    200. jason says:

      I doubt Amoral Scumbag “was” a Republican since the M.O. didn’t really change. He just was able to sell the concern troll BS better initially until it became obvious.

      I was never fooled by the anti-Trump rhetoric, I always said it was never about Trump. Amoral Scumbag has used the same MSM hatchet jobs against any R candidate he thinks might win. With Romney it was vulture capitalism, the dog, the 47% BS, the Caddies, the elevator, the horse, the family, you name it, nothing was ever too low.

      Sorry for the mixed metaphor, but a scumbag doesn’t change his spots.

    201. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      A new low for Biden in the Rasmussen poll:

      Rasmussen Reports: Biden Job Approval
      Approve 43
      Disapprove 55

    202. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      If the anti-Trump wing of the Republican Party thinks that they will gain control of the party if Trump does not run, they are mistaken:

      2024 National Republican Primary Poll, Without Trump:

      DeSantis 22%
      Trump Jr. 19%
      Pence 15%
      Cruz 7%
      Owens 5%
      Haley 4%
      Romney 4%
      Rubio 2%
      T. Scott 2%
      Kasich 2%
      Cheney 2%
      Pompeo 2%
      Cotton 1%
      R. Scott 1%
      Noem 1%

      McLaughlin & Associates ~ 456 LV ~ 9/9-9/14

    203. lisab says:

      White House: ‘We Must Continue Admitting Unvaccinated Immigrants To Replace All The Workers Who Got Fired For Being Unvaccinated’

    204. Tina says:

      There is no reason to hoard these. Ccp Biden is playing politics.

      Ron DeSantis
      · 17h
      I will fight like hell to overcome Biden’s cruel decision to drastically reduce lifesaving monoclonal antibody treatments for Floridians. We’ve seen steep reductions in hospital admissions due to early treatment efforts. It’s wrong to penalize Florida for his partisan bitterness.

    205. Tina says:

      Milli Vanilli is a war criminal.

      Paul Danahar
      Breaking from CBS: An investigation by the U.S. Central Command has determined that the August 29 strike in Kabul, which Joint Chief Chairman Gen. Mark Milley described as a “righteous strike,” killed an innocent aid worker along with 9 members of his family, including 7 children

    206. Tina says:

      Wtf? No more mean tweets, however.

      Josh Lederman
      PARIS (AP) — France recalls its ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia in submarine deal backlash, French foreign minister says

    207. Wobbles says:

      Where is Jeb on that list?

      I will support him as long as he actually doesn’t get on the ballot.

    208. jason says:

      ‘We Must Continue Admitting Unvaccinated Immigrants To Replace All The Workers Who Got Fired For Being Unvaccinated”

      Hilarious. And true.

    209. Tgca says:

      Biden’s team must know this mandate isn’t going to be successful and it will backfire. If 10% to 20% of workforce were fired over vax refusal, the economy would stall. Manufacturing would slow greatly and services become unavailable. Companies would lose many very experienced talent that can’t easily be replaced and productivity and morale would sink.

      Unemployment would increase significantly to double digits and he’d end up with approval ratings in the 20s instead of mid to low 40s.

      Also, are we going to court marshal or discharge thousands from the military if they refuse to take jabs and risk our security readiness so our world enemies could see our weakened state to respond to conflicts?

      Yet, Congress and their staff as well as illegal immigrants are exempt from the mandate?

      This is beyond dementia and lunacy.

    210. Tina says:

      Gop leadership engage.

      Jim Hanson
      · 58m
      We are hearing the Intel for Biden’s children-slaughtering drone strike

      Came from the #Taliban

      If this is true then court martial will be required for everyone who approved taking targeting from terrorists…
      Show this thread

    211. Tgca says:

      Toooo! Toooo! Toooo! Bishes!

      Toooo! Toooo! Toooo! I thay!

    212. lisab says:

      If this is true then court martial will be required for everyone who approved taking targeting from terrorists

      unless there is still a republican general around

      no one is getting fired

    213. Tina says:

      Ccp Biden suffers big defeat on boosters. Some sanity on the Federal department of Assewholes.

      Jordan Schachtel @
      · 2h
      Biden White House intended on rolling out booster shots in 3 days. Today, FDA overwhelmingly voted to shut that down. 1st clear revolt from bureaucracy during this admin. Sparked by 2 top officials retiring & denouncing boosters in Lancet paper. Interesting developments for sure

    214. Cash Cow TM says:

      In the McLaughlin & Associates polling cited above by SDC in this thread above at #197 & 3198…

      On the D side, 82% of D voters polled had a preference for who they would like to see run in 2024 on the D side.

      On the R side, 96% of R voters polled had a preference for who they would like.

      I guess 18% of the Ds are waiting to be told who they are supposed to support in 2024?

    215. Tina says:

      Jewish Deplorable
      · 2h
      “Whoops! We killed 10 civilians, France recalled their ambassadors, 12k illegals are under a bridge, and the FDA rejected boosters”

    216. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      224. Clearly, Biden wanted the boosters to be approved for political reasons. During the campaign Biden promised to “follow the science” and end the epidemic. Instead, the epidemic has gotten worse and is entering a critical stage, as it appears the approved vaccines do not provide lasting immunity from infection(although they have a therapeutic value). Biden’s push for early approval of boosters was an attempt to use them as political props to show he was doing something to counter the virus. What is most needed now is further research to develop a vaccine that provides long-term immunity, not a third dose of an existing vaccine, that clearly appears provide a benefit for only a limited period of time.

    217. Tgca says:

      Here is a paper published in the Aug/Sep 2021 American Journal of Therapeutics that reviewed numerous studies of Ivermectin treatment around the world and found a significant rate of reduction in death, 62% as well as reduced severity of illness.

      The study notes that Ivermectin should be considered for further study based on the findings. They reviewed about 25 worldwide studies with about 2,500 participants. They excluded some other studies because they could not validate the methods used or reach the study scientists for further inquiries. In other words, they reviewed these studies and graded them for reliability.

      They also referenced a WHO study on Ivermectin that stated side effects within desired dosages that appear similar or more than these Covid studies don’t see to have serious side effects.

      There’s a lot here and I skimmed it real quick but I hope that this provides support for why Ivermectin should be considered a treatment option in the US when other countries are using it and reporting benefits with reduced severe illnesses and deaths.

      Here are the main comments from the paper.

      Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

      Ivermectin is likely to be an equitable, acceptable, and feasible global intervention against COVID-19. Health professionals should strongly consider its use, in both treatment and prophylaxis.

    218. Bitterlaw says:

      It’s not our fault Australians know our subs are better than the ones made by the frogs.

    219. Tgca says:

      HHR is not letting me post the study link but it can be found on CCP website titled Ivermectin Study | American Journal of Therapeutics. It’s like the 30th link down.

      Here is another write- up on the study too recommending it’s use in treatment.

    220. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      32% say Biden should resign
      33% say Harris is not qualified to be President
      40% say Biden deserves to be impeached
      56% say abandoning Americans is a national humiliation
      63% say Americans will become Taliban hostages

      And all of these figures are exclusively from Democrats

    221. Tgca says:

      Jen Psaki either lied in this video or has absolutely no idea what she is saying.

      A reporter confronted her on why Biden admin is cutting over 50% of monoclonal antibodies supplies from 70,000 to 30,000 to Florida this week when 50% of people in FL getting the treatment are fully vaccinated folks infected with Covid.

      She lectures the reporter saying let me give you the facts since you guys like facts and then goes on to say monoclonal antibody treatment is used after you get the infection and one way to avoid the need for it is to take the vax so you don’t get Covid to begin with.

      Where has she been the last two months? Vaccinated people are getting and spreading Covid at significant rates and many get sick, some severely and some die as well. Did she not grasp that the reporter stated 50% of those in FL getting that treatment are already vaccinated?

      The misinformation from this administration and blatantly dishonesty is astounding…or perhaps its sheer stupidity and they don’t understand the science.

      For her to say that getting vaxed will avoid you getting Covid is 100% WRONG!!!

      Stoopid skanky Bish!!!

    222. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      230. Tgca, what code or response are you receiving? Is it “403 Forbidden”?

    223. Tgca says:


      No! It just doesn’t post my comment. It reverts to the top of the comments list as if I never submitted the post.

    224. Bitterlaw says:

      It didn’t go into moderation? Maybe Dave will some day get around to reviewing the thousands of posts languishing there.

    225. Tgca says:

      This is fotha muckin’ CRAZY!!!

      CBP Closes Both International Bridges in Del Rio, Texas, as Migrant Camp Crisis Worsens

      There’s now 12,000 illegals, mostly Haitians, sheltering under the bridge and the Biden admin has done nothing but close the airspace so drones can’t film it but it’s too late because the pics and videos are all over the net.

      Border patrol closed it for safety reasons. I understand Abbott may call the National Guard to the location as well.

      Abbott should call a state if emergency on this ASAP.

    226. Tgca says:


      No. It did not go to moderation. I find this happens at times when HHR doesn’t like something about the link. I’ve had this happen to me over many months at least 10 times so I then try to find the same source article in another link and then it usually posts. I noticed if a link has a profane word in it that it SOMETIMES gets rejected but not always.

      Evidently the HHR server doesn’t like something about these secondary links copied from other sites to another reporting site.