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    Trump Leads Both Biden and Harris By Double Digits

    If you are a Republican thinking Donald Trump is a lock to reclaim office in 2024, then the latest poll from Rasmussen Reports is for you. Rasmussen Reports has put out a new poll showing Donald Trump with a double-digit lead over both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

    PRESIDENT – NATIONAL (Rasmussen Reports)
    Donald Trump (R) 51%
    Joe Biden (D-inc) 41%

    Donald Trump (R) 52%
    Kamala Harris (D) 39%

    This poll was done September 21-22 among 1000 likely voters.

    Posted by Dave at 12:15 am
    Filed under: General | Comments (1,411)

    1,411 Responses to “Trump Leads Both Biden and Harris By Double Digits”

    1. lisab says:

      harris was chosen because joe’s people wanted someone who was so unpopular as vp that joe could stay in power

    2. Tgca says:

      Dos Bebe! Dos!

    3. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      If on the other hand, if your a Democrat who believes Biden is still way ahead of Trump in the polls, then Echelon Insight polls are for you. Notice the incredible online methodology using a selected online “Verified Voter Omnibus”.

      “Echelon’s Verified Voter Omnibus is the first online survey product of its kind matched to the national voter file so you can know with confidence what the real electorate thinks about your issue, cause, or brand. Each month, we interview a representative sample of 1,000 registered voters matched to voter files to answer the make-or-break questions driving successful business and policy.”

    4. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      3. By the way, Echelon Insights had Biden’s approval at 53% approve, 47% disapprove.

      Only political hack Nate Silver published this sham poll on his website.

    5. Bitterlaw says:

      NYC – I am visiting my Dad. We watched the Yankees on WPIX. My dad can’t name any players but he remembers the starting lineup of the 1940 Yankees. Watched the news after the game. The weatherman is Mr. G. He was doing that when I was in high school. I guess he will stay until he dies.

    6. jason says:

      Wes says:
      September 25, 2021 at 12:18 am

      What’s sad is that HHR is basically interchangeable from day to day now. If I drop by tomorrow I’ll see almost identical posts to what I’m seeing right now.”

      Will never happen.

    7. jason says:

      PRESIDENT – NATIONAL (Rasmussen Reports)
      Donald Trump (R) 51%
      Joe Biden (D-inc) 41%

      Donald Trump (R) 52%
      Kamala Harris (D) 39%”

      Not possible.

      I have been assured here at HHR that Trump is extremely unpopular, hated by suburban voters, hated by minorities and only loved by backwoods deplorable.

    8. jason says:

      Bitter, sorry about your Dad. Watching someone deteriorate mentally when you remember them differently must be really tough.

      On the other hand my parents died of devastating illnesses when they were sound of mind. No picnic either.

    9. Phil says:

      Bitter, I helplessly watched my dad’s mind completely deteriorate over time. Now my wife is showing early signs of the same pattern. Its an epidemic in today’s age. Still, somehow, we always think it wont happen to our family members. Hang in there, man. I know how you feel.

    10. Phil says:

      Biden cleared out the Haitian camp in Del Rio. The optics were just too bad. No problem though.

      At least 3000 placed on buses to Houston and San Antonio.

      Perfect.

    11. Tina says:

      So, something worse is coming out. The Fib was involved in the “insurrection” aka Fed staged act.

      The Hill
      @thehill
      · 1h
      JUST IN: FBI had Proud Boys affiliated informant in crowd during Capitol riot: report http://hill.cm/MhtXZ1F

    12. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason – Thank you. I am sorry you had to go through that. I watched my mom and in-laws die from cancer. That is hard but at least for a period of time there is hope for a cure. Until there isn’t.

      Phil- I appreciate your kind words. I am sorry that your wife is struggling. You both have endured so much. You are lucky to have each other. It’s odd how the brain functions. Today is a mystery to my dad but he can tell me where he was when the “Jap rats” attacked Pearl Harbor. You said your wife grew up near me. If I had your address I would send you a box of TastyKakes. Ask her if she remembers those- especially the chocolate peanut butter ones. Stay well.

    13. Tgca says:

      11. Tina

      I saw same reports last couple of days as well as rumors months ago.

      The FBI has admitted to having a Proud Boys informant in the Jan 6th “mostly peaceful protest.” The informant also entered the Capitol building but left after awhile Babbit was shot.

      The informant has since denied that the Proud Boys intended to use violence on Jan. 6 but rather were consumed by a herd mentality. He has also denied that the group planned to attack the Capitol in interviews, the Times reported.

      If this is all true, this weakens the prosecuting cases as well as the partisan Jan 6th committee hearings.

      https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/fbi/573915-fbi-had-informant-in-crowd-during-capitol-riot-report?amp

    14. Tina says:

      Tgca, there were a group of folks dressed in black, who entered very early on. They broke windows. There is a picture of a 2×4 outside a capitol window, prior to the sheot show.

      The fib and wrong Wray have no interest in those folks.

      Those were and are the set up team.

    15. Phil says:

      Bitter. Malvern is the town my wife lived in. Is that anywhere near you? Sadly, I had to get that from her daughter this morning. My wife just can no longer remember even living up there even though that is where her daughter was born.

    16. Bitterlaw says:

      Very close. Nice Main Line town. MD lives very close to there. Just to see if it jogs her long-term memory, ask if she attended school in Conestoga or Great Valley. You can probably order Tasty Kakes online but if you give Dave an address and ask him to send it to me, I will send her some.

    17. jason says:

      USA 9 Europe 3 starting afternoon session;

      If the Europeans don’t sweep the 4 matches this afternoon they are pretty much toast.

    18. Bitterlaw says:

      Ask your wife if she ever went to the Wanamaker’s department store Christmas light show or the Mummer’s parade on New Year’s Day.

    19. jason says:

      Nice…

      “We know William Shatner, famously, for his role as Captain James T. Kirk in the “Star Trek” TV show and movie franchise. But now, it looks like he’s finally going to be able to explore that “final frontier.”

      Shatner will actually be going into space sometime in October. The actor, who is now 90 years old, will blast into space aboard Amazon founder Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin New Shepard rocket, according to the NY Post. “

    20. jason says:

      Chicago Runs Ads Urging Texans Unhappy with Abortion Restrictions to Leave State”

      Hey Phil, finally some good news.

      Maybe you can give them rides to the airport.

    21. Phil says:

      Bitter, she actually is not from up there. She is an east Texas girl who moved there as a newlywed in the late 60s. Her late husband was an engineer who freelanced a lot and they moved there from Seattle. Think she said once that the hospital her daughter was born in up there was close to a rather well known all girl’s school. That’s about all I can remember her telling me before her memory began to fade. I DO remember her telling me she really enjoyed living there. Her favorite place to live she once told me – and they lived all over – Seattle, SanDiego, Ft Worth, New Orleans, NASA….said they really hated leaving to go to Houston but her husband went where there was aero space work – in this case it was with NASA.

      Of course, I’m glad she did or I never would have met her. NASA wasn’t far from my stomping grounds. That’s where her late husband passed away suddenly. They lived in the same neighborhood as all the astronauts and their families. Socialized with most of them and had some interesting stories to tell about their private lives. Of course, she doesn’t remember any of that today.

    22. jason says:

      Suggest they go to Illinois.

      The Biden Troll can receive them.

      I remember when he said abortion was one of the most important issues to him, before he started voting for the party that thinks partial birth abortion and infanticide is ok.

    23. Phil says:

      If they don’t want to fly, Jason, I’ll be happy to rent them a UHaul.

    24. Wes says:

      Phil and Bitter, I’m sorry to hear about what’s going on with the people you care about. It’s no fun. It’s really one of the worst things in life to see.

      I had to watch one of my grandmothers slowly deteriorate because of dementia from 2001 to 2009. When I would visit her right before she finally passed, she could remember she knew me but didn’t know how. She called me her good friend. Part of me was glad to know she wasn’t suffering anymore when she died in her sleep. It didn’t take away the pain of the loss.

      My heart goes out to both of you. Best wishes in what you and they are going through.

    25. Bitterlaw says:

      It sounds like she has lived a great life with the best part being meeting and marrying you. Lots of private schools around here – Agnes Irwin, Notre Dame, and Villa Maria Academy being the best known.

      I hope you are getting support while you support her.

    26. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes – My aunt also had Alzheimer’s. It was a blessing when she developed pneumonia and died peacefully. She had a living will and I was designated to make decisions on healthcare. Her doctor asked if he should give her antibiotics. I asked what that would do. He said she would be able to back to the nursing home until she got pneumonia or some other illness and we could repeat our conversation in a few weeks. She would not have wanted that so she was able to go then.

    27. lisab says:

      had fun at the minnesota renaissance faire today …

      half expected to see julstol and his wife and his girlfriend and her girlfriend there

    28. Bitterlaw says:

      I can’t remember if his was the Wiccan or the girlfriend.

    29. Robbie says:

      stephen fowler
      @stphnfwlr
      · 1h
      Full Trump on Stacey Abrams vis-a-vis Brian Kemp:

      “Of course having her I think might be better than having your existing Governor, might very well be better.”

      – I guess Jason fraud will now become a Stacy Abrams fan.

      I can totally understand why most of you want the psychopath to run again. Who wouldn’t a Republican nominee hellbent on wrecking the Republican Party.

    30. Robbie says:

      AG
      @AGHamilton29
      Again, Trump is happy for Democrats to run the country and most states as long as he just keeps a reliable cult of adoring fans that he can sell victim status to. He’s basically been openly campaigning for Dems since the election.

      – Jason fraud reads this, pumps his fist in the air, and yells “MAGA! Screw the suburbs. All we need are the loyal MAGA rural America voters who weren’t enough to win in 2020.”

    31. Phil says:

      No, that’s you who is “happy for Democrats to run the country” you f en fraud.

      Tell us. Did you get your money’s worth with your contribution to the Biden campaign? A thousand bucks not go as far these days?

      Just go away, troll. We’re tired of your same old drivel.

    32. Bitterlaw says:

      Robbie is concerned about the future of the Republican Party. He has a very detailed plan…Step one is to not win elections.

    33. lisab says:

      i think he wants his student loans forgiven

      that is about 100k in loans

    34. Phil says:

      Robbie is all for building the Republican Party.

      Funny how this never translates to his voting for Republicans actually on the ballot….President, Kentucky Governor, etc.

      Funny also that in nine months he’s never had a negative thing to say about Biden or those Democrats he says he doesn’t want running the country.

    35. Bitterlaw says:

      Is it better to tell the bad guys you have a very powerful rifle OR not tell them and surprise them later? Discuss.

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10028405/SAS-armed-new-rifle-powerful-blast-helicopters-sky.html

    36. jason says:

      I don’t think any shrink, no matter how renowned, can help Amoral Scumbag’s delusion that he represents the Republican Party.

    37. jason says:

      Note Amoral Scumbag only talks about Trump, Fauci and me.

      Biden? Crickets.

    38. jason says:

      Robbie is concerned about the future of the Republican Party. He has a very detailed plan…Step one is to not win elections.”

      You have to admit he has a sure fire method to accomplish that. Never support any R actually on the ballot.

    39. Phil says:

      That’s not a delusion, Jason. He’s flat out a Democrat through and through. Always has been.

    40. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Hey Robbie. What do you think of Biden and his job performance? As the last true Republican on the board, you must have an opinion. Your fly-bys dropping of egg shells on Trump is pretty silly.

      At least answer the question, did Trump or Biden have a better economic policy?

    41. Tina says:

      Rino Hamilton s wrong.

      He is the only one out there standing up against inflation, the Afghanistan debacle, illegal immigration, the weak economy, and the covid disaster.

      While Rs in Leadership stay mute or encourage illegals, covid passports, and large spending that is fueling high inflation. Rememberr, what Little Mitchie said? We must pass the bill to help Biden. We must “show” bipartisanship.

      F*ck you and your bipartisanship.

    42. Tina says:

      And look at the incompetent governors.

      The GA Idiot.

      dumb Douchey in Az

      Useles Abbott in Texas. Why won’t he seal the damn border and stop the exploding health crisis there.

    43. Wobbles says:

      I can’t be bothered with piddly details like Biden’s presidency.

      I am busy with the “Free Avenatti” campaign I am launching online.

    44. Tina says:

      More to come.

      Darren J. Beattie Globe with meridians
      @DarrenJBeattie
      ·
      15h
      Jan 6 was not an intelligence failure, it was an intelligence set-up

    45. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      43. The U.S. Constitution gives the federal government control over immigration. State governors have no power to close an international border.

    46. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      The Trump Russia collusion hoax finally has been proven to have originated with the Clinton campaign.

      “Here is where the prosecutor appears to be going,” writes former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy in the New York Post. “The Trump-Russia collusion narrative was essentially a fabrication of the Clinton campaign that was peddled to the FBI (among other government agencies) and to the media by agents of the Clinton campaign — particularly, its lawyers at Perkins Coie — who concealed the fact that they were quite intentionally working on the campaign’s behalf.”

      Whatever people think of Trump, the Clinton and Biden family cabals, and the vulgar ways they enriched themselves, represent one of the most disgusting stories in U.S. history. Can anyone think of a more slimmy presidential offspring than Hunter Biden?

    47. Wes says:

      I don’t know what Robbie will say, SDC, but Trump obviously had the better economic plan. Bidenomics has been nothing short of a cataclysm.

      As for the border issue, don’t expect Tina to look into any issue in depth–or praise any Republican other than Trump. To Tina, Trump is infallible while every other Republican is either a useless idiot or the epitome of pure evil.

    48. Wes says:

      Can anyone think of a more slimmy presidential offspring than Hunter Biden?

      Does GWB count, SDC?

    49. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      49. No. I am no fan of GWB or the Bush family. But Hunter Biden was sleeze who traveled the world collecting money because of his father’s political position. Apparently money may have gone to his father; many believe he was referred to cryptically in Hunter’s Chinese corespondence as receiving a share.

      GWB made disasterous policy decisions, particularly in the Mideast. He was horrible in that regard. But Hunter Biden was a human dirtbag. Am surprised the family did not stage an intervention and try and force him into treatment. My impression of Joe Biden is a person with poor judgment who is not very capable in tough situations. Apparently Obama had a low opinion of him as well.

    50. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Biden Job Approval:
      Approve 42%
      Disapprove 56%
      @Rasmussen_Poll,1,500 LV, 9/21-23

      When faced with poll numbers like these, there is a clear political strategy that experts recommend — it’s called panic.

    51. Gordon Allen says:

      Robbie,like Wissing,is a Democrat. They have a right to be( fools).
      But why the pretense otherwise?
      Accept and move on

    52. Bitterlaw says:

      If Dave was a Democrat, why would he keep this site going? Until he posts to the contrary, he is a Republican who hates Trump. It happens.

    53. Tina says:

      Yup, Sdc, Abbot can do nothing. That is not true,

      Abbot could do some border wall and surge more Personnel (rangers) to the border, but failed to do so.

      There is talk, and action, and he let Biden walk allowed him.

      I believe Biden action to be a criminal offense – allowing illegals unvented and not screened for disease (China virus).

    54. Tina says:

      I still want to know how these people entered the capitol and why Wrong Wray does not care. There are no videos or bulletins requesting the “arrest” of these folks in black outfits. I wonder why?

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/must-watch-tucker-carlson-raises-questions-jan-6th-security-footage-showing-black-clad-operatives-leading-charge-capitol-building-many-federal-agents-involved-vid/

    55. jason says:

      he is a Republican who hates Trump. It happens.”

      Zzzzzzz….I know it “happens” a lot in Radnor, since Bitter said his friends and neighbors voted for Biden because they can afford higher taxes.

      I “hated” Trump in 2016, but I didn’t vote for Hillary nor did I pretend her election wouldn’t be an absolute disaster.

      There is a difference.

      Walt didn’t vote for Trump either time, does anyone doubt he is a conservative?

      Dave used to invite us to attend local Maryland Republican meetings, I almost went a couple times since they were relatively close by. When is the last time he did that?

      It is his blog, and he can support whomever he wants, and post any poll he wants.

      But “Republican who hates Trump” is simplistic drivel.

    56. Tgca says:

      36 Jadon

      Mary Trump is a psychologist. Perhaps she can help Robbie through with his TDS issues.

    57. Tgca says:

      42

      OMG! Tina has a potty mouth…and on the Lord’s Day too!

      Tsk!! Tsk!

      Ok. Maybe she escapes on a technicality because 12:38 AM EST is not yet Sunday in her home state of Caleefawnya.

    58. Tgca says:

      46

      …but gubbernors can arrest people illegally in their state and to protect their local communities.

    59. jason says:

      We are in real trouble if Governor Abbott is not conservative enough for Tina.

    60. Tina says:

      Yes, Abbot can arrest for human trafficking.

      And surge Rangers.

      Things he promised he would do, but did not.

      Out of Douchey, the Ga dummy, and Abbot, I like Abbott the best.

      But usually an R will disappoint on immigration.

      The Chinese Chanber od Commece pays the $$$.

    61. Tina says:

      Another reason, I am not a registered Republican.

      Stupid wars and interventions.

      Pro Ccp China .

      Illegal immigration= act of love.

    62. Tgca says:

      48. Wes

      To be fair to Tina, it’s frustration and not Trump sycophancy at play here, as I often feel the same way with these GOP critters.

      Many in the GOP are great at talking up a storm but many do not act on their words. There are things that these gubbernors can do on the southern border entry points with no federal agency presence but all they do is give speeches.

      Compare some of the action DeSantis has taken in general, not illegal immigration, to combat the Dems and administration short-sightedness.

      I do NOT believe these politicians until they act. Same thing with Congress. Mitch is great at giving speeches on the floor and in front of the cameras but has devolved into a useless Senate leader…and look how far McCarthy let Cheney go before he did anything.

      There’s a time for diplomacy and a time for action.

    63. jason says:

      but gubbernors can arrest people illegally in their state and to protect their local communities.”

      Murky. Unless they break state law there doesn’t seem to be a way to make such an arrest stick. Even if they did, there is no room for that many detainees.

      https://www.borderreport.com/news/top-stories/texas-governor-says-he-wants-to-arrest-everybody-coming-across-the-border/

    64. Tgca says:

      49

      GWB may be misguided and now woke but he was NEVER slimy like Hunter. Not even close.

    65. jason says:

      I don’t have any issues with Abbott. He has kept Texas open. He has intervened against woke mayors and judges. He has called out the Austin defund the police BS and taken steps to stop it. He has signed 2nd amendment protection laws. He has kept Texas taxes low.

      On the border issue, he does what he can, but his hands are mostly tied. Same with Ducey.

    66. Tgca says:

      65

      I agree gubbernors can’t detain them forever fir illegal entry. But they can ensure these folks are rounded up at illegal crossings and temporarily detain them and hold press conferences and ask the feds to come down and deal with them. Put the feds on the spot. Let the MSM go bonkers and bring more attention to it.

      Use state resources to identify if the children are traveling alone or safe or being preyed upon by these coyotes.

      There are things that the gubbernors can do to put the spotlight on the feds who get away with a lot of this by hiding it from the public’s view with the MSM assistance.

    67. Tgca says:

      53

      Dave often appears to support woke and Rino politicians which is his prerogative. That doesn’t make him a lefty but he appears to be more in minority of the GOP at this point and that may because of where he lives. When in Rome…

    68. Tina says:

      On the need for covid “vaccine boosters,” which “science” do we follow, the FDA, or the corrupt CDC director?

    69. Tgca says:

      57. Jadon

      If you’re feeling left out, I can invite you to attend my local town meetings in south Florida’s Broward county where you can listen to a bunch of politicians fawn over Biden and Harris’s and finally how there is a stable calming capable leader in the WH.

      …and don’t forget you can hear the 50+ year-old gay male contingency in open-relationships rant about social justice for the LGBTQIA2S+ and not enough being done to conquer HIV, and about too many suspicious AA passing through their neighborhood when they know they don’t belong there, and, of course, the conservatives against ABORTION since that latter one is such an important topic for the gay community.

    70. Tgca says:

      I don’t think Tina is questioning whether Abbott has conservative values but whether he is willing to take action to protect that conservative values.

      In other words, walk the talk.

      After all, Mitt is considered a conservative but does anyone trust his judgment to do the right thing for conservatives anymore?

      Ok. I apologize to gubbernor Abbott for using Mitt in an analogy but it was not meant pejoratively.

    71. jason says:

      I think Abbott is taking plenty of action to protect conservative values.

      The comparison between him and Abbott is asinine.

    72. jason says:

      And Romney is asinine.

      Where is my coffee?

    73. jason says:

      The theory that 5 martinis a night kills brain cells is also asinine.

    74. Bitterlaw says:

      Almost none of my friends in Radnor liked Trump. Almost all of my friends in Radnor voted for Trump. Jason is wrong again.

    75. jason says:

      Zzzzz….Bitter is full of crap.

      I used his own words, HE was the one who said his friends and neighbors were not concerned about voting against their interests by supporting Biden because they were rich enough to afford it.

      GFY.

    76. jason says:

      Ryder Cup starts in 48 minutes.

      Sorry Bitter will be too busy watching the Black national anthem but someone has to support the woke NFL.

    77. jason says:

      Regarding Brian Kemp, I have been clear here that I think he and the GA SOS are primarily responsible for the election of 2 far leftist to the Senate and for the loss of the senate majority.

      By failing to fight for the integrity of the election they essentially disenfranchised millions of R voters in GA and drove down turnout for the runoffs.

      I understand Trump’s frustration with both Kemp and Raffensperger, he knows he didn’t lose GA by 12k votes.

      But Trump is wrong in saying Stacy Abrams would be better for GA. Kemp is going to be the nominee, and driving up turnout for Abrams will hurt Trump’s candidate for the Senate too.

      Kemp is weak and spineless, granted, but he is better than Abrams. Trump should know that.

    78. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason also seems to use words I did not say. I said a few people I know are liberals who vote against their own economic interests. A few. I believe that was posted before the 2020 primaries so it was not specific to Biden. Most of the people I know who voted for Biden now wish they had left the Presidential vote blank. A few admit Trump was the better choice.

    79. Bitterlaw says:

      I turn on games at kickoff time. I personally have not heard the black national anthem at any sporting event. However, if Jason, who seems to know a great deal about current NFL games while boycotting them, says it is played I will trust him. I do not think it should be played. I also hope the Eagles beat the Cowboys tomorrow night.

    80. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason hates Trump. People in Radnor were not supposed to hate Trump. I love it here. Fortunately, even the people who hated Trump personally cared enough about the country to support him in 2016 and 2020. Unlike Jason.

    81. jason says:

      Bitter is lying again.

      He specifically said he knew Republicans in Radnor voting for Biden because they could afford the higher taxes.

      I am sure I could find the posts if I wanted to.

    82. jason says:

      I turn on games at kickoff time”

      LOL

      This is probably as true as “I don’t see woke messages in the end zone because the Eagles never score”.

    83. Tgca says:

      I agree with Bitter. Radnor only has few liberals. Like only 87%.

    84. jason says:

      I have to make it worthwhile for me to do the research.

      Bitter, want to make a bet that you said you knew people who supported Biden because they could afford higher taxes?

      Say $500 for the ASPCA dogs vs. $500 for a charity of your choice?

    85. jason says:

      You knew Republicans, obviously.

    86. jason says:

      I have been watching the Ryder Cup for an hour. The crowd of 50000 just sang the National Anthem on their own. They are chanting USA USA. Not a woke message in sight.

      I didn’t have to turn the TV “at kickoff” to avoid the black national anthem or to being lectured about race relations by self entitled millionaire owner, players, coaches and sports MSM talking heads.

    87. Bitterlaw says:

      I thought I said it before 2020. If I said it about Biden, put it on my tab.

      I will never apologize for moving to Radnor so I could send my children to the best public school system in PA. There are many conservatives here. Many own small businesses. I think Trump got close to 40% here in 2016 and 2020 but I don’t feel like adding up all of the Divisions (they way results are reported). Not good enough but I was not going to move to a lesser school district miles away to find a better voter breakdown. An added bonus was coaching really respectful, nice young people.

    88. jason says:

      “I thought I said it before 2020. If I said it about Biden, put it on my tab”

      Translation: I lied.

    89. Bitterlaw says:

      I am not woke or racist. Lecturing me about wokeness and racism have the same effect as lecturing me about becoming left-handed. None.

      I rarely watch golf because I don’t find it interesting. It is the same reason I don’t watch tennis or soccer. I did watch 10 minutes of professional corn hole once. That was enough.

    90. jason says:

      But you were smart not taking the bet.

      You would have lost.

    91. Bitterlaw says:

      Maybe jason can explain why he was allowed to hate Trump but people in Radnor are criticized for not liking him.

      By the way, Trump is not “rough around the edges,”. He is a complete a-hole. I wish he was still President.

    92. jason says:

      You are not a Nazi either.

      But would you watch Hitler’s stump speeches?

      You are tolerant of being lectured by woke millionaires on race relations.

      Others are not.

      The fact you mock those who are not means you are covering for woke sports in my view.

      You want to be “respected” for supporting woke sports but don’t want to extend the same courtesy to those who don’t.

    93. jason says:

      “people in Radnor are criticized for not liking him”

      Zzzzz…

      I criticized your Republican friends and neighbors for voting for Biden because they are so rich they don’t care about higher taxes.

      Nothing about “not liking him”.

    94. jason says:

      Interesting that Bitter defends his “Republican” friends and neighbors who voted for Biden but attacks me for not voting for Trump (or Hillary) in 2016.

      I love it here.

    95. jason says:

      And btw, Bitter’s Republican friends and neighbors voted for Biden AFTER having the benefit of Trump as President.

    96. Bitterlaw says:

      Zzzzzzzzzzz. I told people to watch or not watch what they want. You are the one who brought up the NFL today, not me.

      Hitler’s speeches compared to watching NFL games. I’m not sure if I should award you with False Equivalency of the Year Award or call you a moron. I will just go with GFY.

      Watching Meerkat Manor. These meerkats have more intrigue and violence than anything on HBO. I was going to say Game of Thrones but I only watched the last episode.

    97. Bitterlaw says:

      More lies. None of my Republican friends voted for Biden. I knew a few Republicans who left it blank in 2016 or voted for Hillary but straight R down ballot but they were not my friends.

    98. jason says:

      Dang, Dechambeau drives the first hole par 4 green with 340 yards in the air and then sinks 51 foot putt for eagle.

    99. jason says:

      More lies. None of my Republican friends voted for Biden.”

      I will find the posts, too busy today.

    100. jason says:

      Hitler’s speeches compared to watching NFL games.”

      Nah, nah, no BS.

      That wasn’t the comparison.

      YOU stated that it didn’t bother you to be lectured on race relations because you aren’t racist.

      So I made the point would you listen to Hitler’s speeches because you were not a Nazi.

    101. SoHope says:

      This place has gotten so petty. People fight over the stupidest things. Did we run out of important things to fight about or something?

    102. Bitterlaw says:

      I love the irony of being judged by somebody willing to let Hillary be elected with his elaborate and silly games about Trump being unfit to be President. Here in the real world, only Clinton or Trump could win. By not supporting Trump, he agreed to let Clinton win. The Radnor Republicans he condemns did what he would not and helped elect Trump in 2016.

    103. Bitterlaw says:

      SoHope – Jason is trying to elevate his status to Tier 1 A-hole. Unfortunately, there are only 2 Founding A-holes. Even MD leaving can not elevate Jason.

    104. Bitterlaw says:

      I have watched many shows about WW1, WW2, and the interwar period. Hitler’s speeches are in the shows. By jason’s Logic I must be supporting Nazism.

    105. jason says:

      I am not a racist either but I don’t want to be lectured on race relations by woke self entitled millionaire players, coaches, owners and sports MSM talking heads.

      THAT is the difference between you and me.

    106. jason says:

      I have watched many shows about WW1, WW2, and the interwar period. Hitler’s speeches are in the shows. By jason’s Logic I must be supporting Nazism.”

      Zzzzz…. wins a non-sequitur award.

      So far you have defended woke sports tooth and nail, attacked me for opposing woke sports, but have not said ONE word against the woke NFL.

    107. jason says:

      Here in the real world, only Clinton or Trump could win.”

      LOL

      Said by the guy who claimed to have voted “against Hillary” but not “for Trump” because he cowers in fear of his family, friends and neighbors.

      What a great “Trump supporter”.

    108. Bitterlaw says:

      I was opposed to the kneeling. I said only the National Anthem should be played at games. I said that the black national anthem should not be played at games. You are arguing with a Bitterlaw you created rather than me. GFY.

    109. jason says:

      Nah, you created the woke NFL supporting Bitterlaw.

      Live with it.

    110. jason says:

      SoHope says:
      September 26, 2021 at 12:54 pm

      This place has gotten so petty. People fight over the stupidest things. Did we run out of important things to fight about or something?”

      I happen to think opposing woke and cancel culture is important, but others disagree.

      Such is life.

    111. jason says:

      Some think opposing woke culture is “virtual signaling”.

      Such is life.

    112. jason says:

      Liz Cheney
      @Liz_Cheney
      I like Republican presidents who win re-election.”

      Funny.

      So why did you vote for his opponent?

    113. Bitterlaw says:

      My vote counted for Trump in 2016. You not voting helped Hillary.

      You continue this lie about me fearing the opinions of my neighbors. Why was I asked specifically by my neighbors to speak against CRT and vulgar lyrics in August if I am so fearful?

    114. jason says:

      My vote counted for Trump in 2016″

      Heh.

      Still not admitting he voted “FOR Trump”.

      His vote counted “for Trump”.

      But no, not cowering in fear of his woke family, friends and neighbors.

    115. jason says:

      o speak against CRT and vulgar lyrics in August if I am so fearful?”

      Thank and credit lisab.

      She goaded and shame you into it.

    116. Bitterlaw says:

      I will be out until after 6:00. Jason/A-hole 3 has the floor.

    117. Bitterlaw says:

      She reminded me of the July meeting. She did not write or deliver my comments. It was so well-received, I was asked again to speak in August. Maybe Jason can enlighten us on his public remarks against woke culture and CRT. Oh. He hasn’t made any.

    118. jason says:

      I was promoted to A-hole 3?

      Wow. Two more promotions and I will be A-hole 1.

    119. jason says:

      Bitterlaw says:
      September 26, 2021 at 1:44 pm

      I will be out until after 6:00.

      Bitterlaw says:
      September 26, 2021 at 1:48 pm”

      The lies go on and on.

    120. jason says:

      NY Gov: State Workers Who Get Fired for Being Unvaccinated Will Also Be Denied Unemployment”

      I hope this gets challenged in court.

    121. lisab says:

      I agree gubbernors can’t detain them forever fir illegal entry.
      —————–

      they can give them a bus ticket to los angelas, nyc (or radnor)

    122. Pitchaboy says:

      Meaningless polls. As long as mail in voting there, D will keep finding votes.

    123. jason says:

      Yah thinks?

      I have read here that will all go away in the next election if you just keep voting R.

    124. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Ipsos Poll

      44% Approve
      51% Disapprove

      Sep 22-23 2021
      1,005 Adults

    125. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Trump: Biden has screwed up so bad we have no choice but to Make America Great Again, Again

    126. jason says:

      Mail-in voting is the goose laying the golden eggs the Dems have found to steal elections. It is almost fool proof and they won’t ever give up on it, especially since Rs have been complicit in allowing it.

      “If you can’t beat them join them” is a losing strategy for Rs on mail-in voting because the Dems dominate the election process in the metropolitan centers like Milwaukee, Detroit, Phildelphia, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Las Vegas, etc. The courts in these states will not protect the integrity of the vote, and SCOTUS, which should outlaw the practice, is too afraid to do so.

      So Pitch is right, most of these polls are meaningless.

    127. mnw says:

      DHS Secy states 12000 out of 15000 at Del Rio have been released into the U.S. 5000 more “likely.”

      I’ll do the liberal lines– I’ve heard them often enough. “America is a country built by immigrants! People are coming here to improve their lives and the lives of their children, just as our own forefathers did. Immigration makes our country stronger, because diversity has always been our strength.”

    128. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Robin Williams was right:

      “Joe Biden is like your uncle who’s on a new drug and hasn’t got the dosage right.”

    129. jason says:

      US wins Ryder Cup.

    130. Wes says:

      Pitchaboy says:
      September 26, 2021 at 2:55 pm
      Meaningless polls. As long as mail in voting there, D will keep finding votes.

      Luckily for us, Pitch, your predictions are invariably contrarian indicators. That bodes well for Republicans’ chances.

    131. Phil says:

      Mail in voting is the huge advantage for Democrats. It’s easier to skirt voter ID guidelines. Much easier to commit fraud. Democrats thrive on fraud. Any Republican that hasn’t realized that by now is flat out naive.

      It was no coincidence that nation wide mail in voting was the central pillar of House Bill 1. Democrats wanted it badly.

    132. Wes says:

      Mel Brooks presciently predicts the Biden Administration:

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCHMjeKI9Bc

    133. Robbie says:

      Jarome Bell
      @JaromeBellVA
      Audit all 50 states.

      Arrest all involved. Try all involved. Convict all involved. Execute all involved.

      #MaricopaCountyFraud

      – This is the 2022 message Jason fraud and the MAGA goons want.

    134. Phil says:

      F O, Robbie. Nobody cares. Biden’s numbers starting to get you down?

      Gonna send another thousand to Biden?

    135. jason says:

      Amoral Scumbag unhinged by Bidens bad poll numbers?

      Awwww…

    136. lisab says:

      Audit all 50 states.

      Arrest all involved. Try all involved. Convict all involved. Execute all involved.
      ________________

      actually i would not mind everyone who subverted the vote getting the harshest penalties … you seem to be advocating to let those who attacked our basic right to vote go free

    137. lisab says:

      to be clear, by harshest i mean decade long sentences, not two in the hat

    138. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      136. Was that fly-by Robbie, or a crow pretending to be the Robbie?

      “It’s a bird, it’s a plane, no it’s concerned troll….”

    139. Wobbles says:

      I think Biden will be in trouble if his job approval drops below 20%.

    140. michael corleone says:

      Jason,
      Phil –

      Junk mail voting is really more about coercion than fraud (although this may be a distinction without a difference). Mail in ballots allow partisan operatives to collect ballots in dense urban areas and then coerce disinterested voters to vote the party line.

      Think about it – anti electioneering laws outside of polling places are utterly irrational if junk mail voting is permitted.

    141. lisab says:

      Mail in ballots allow partisan operatives to collect ballots in dense urban areas and then coerce disinterested voters to vote the party line.
      —————————

      even more scary they could be used with unions … “ok, we are all going to fill out our ballots NOW … anyone who doesn’t want to can of course leave”

    142. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      New strategy of living with the virus, while limiting hospitalizations and deaths. Vaccines and natural immunity are key factors.

      “I think in some ways, the strong data around vaccines out of the gate created this illusion of perfection, which never was the case,” said John Brownstein, Ph.D., an epidemiologist and chief innovation officer at Boston Children’s Hospital and a contributor to ABC News.

      “The major goalposts should have always been the hospitalizations and deaths,” he said.

      Many experts point to countries like Singapore as an example of living “with” the virus, rather than eradicating it completely. With more than 80% of the population fully vaccinated, the island nation is still seeing more than 1,000 cases on average per day, but very few deaths due to COVID-19.”

    143. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      @jon_rauch
      “Must-read from Ruy Teixeira. Nutshell: beware the hype about the growing non-white electorate. Dems can’t win national elections without moderate whites and working-class Hispanics. Dems, listen up: wokeness is not your friend.”

    144. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “Fifth percent (50%) of voters believe things would be better today if Donald Trump had won the 2020 presidential election. A Scott Rasmussen national survey found that 39% believe things would be worse and 12% who don’t think things would be all that different.

      The total includes 34% who say things would be much better and 29% who say much worse.

      Eighty-five percent (85%) of Republicans believe things would be better while 68% of Democrats hold the opposite view. Among Independents, 43% say better and 39% worse.

      Fifty-four percent (54%) of White voters believe things would be better if Trump had won. So do 53% of Hispanic voters and 26% of Black voters.”

    145. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “CDC says 87% of 2675 breakthrough deaths are in people aged 65+. Most likely the rest are among people in risk groups. Do healthy young people really need a booster? Doesn’t seem so based on evidence so far. Should just make it available to old people, doctors etc.”

    146. Gordon Allen says:

      As I’ve posted Florida does mail in voting the right way. More than half the 2020 vote was mail in.
      The issue is unrequited mass mailing of ballots and no signature verification. It can be done; that it isn’t is clear proof of intent to cheat. Period. Full stop.

    147. jason says:

      I don’t think there is any “right way” to do VBM. Some states do it better than others, and some (or most) mail/process/count the VBM honestly. But we know that many inner city counties with entirely partisan and unsupervised systems are going to use the opportunity for fraud. We know local and state judges will reject any challenges.

      Even Florida doesn’t really know who voted. With hundreds of thousands or millions of votes in nursing homes, VBM leaves open ballot harvesting. Even in TX an employee was charged with ballot harvesting hundreds of ballots.

      VBM is designed to keep Dems in power. It works for them. Don’t think because HR1 didn’t pass Rs dodged a bullet, they didn’t. HR1 or its equivalent already exists in many states, it just doesn’t exist in all of them.

    148. michael corleone says:

      Agreed Jason. There is no proper way to conduct VBM because even if all the fraud prevention mechanisms work perfectly (I.e. signature verification), you still have no idea whether the ballot was actually cast free from coercion. For example, I’m sure many politically active family members have filled out VBM ballots for less politically active ones. That’s illegal yet entirely unenforceable.

    149. jason says:

      Right. There will be millions of ballots floating around, and even if they are all legitimate in terms of being sent to legitimately registered voters, you still don’t know who is filling them out and mailing them in.

    150. jason says:

      I will probably get ballots in the mail even though I am not a registered voter.

      I will forward them to Bitter, he believes his vote counts so he can fill out my ballots too.

      He lives in Philadelphia so his chances of being prosecuted for voter fraud are less than his chances of being shot on the way to mailing the ballots.

    151. Gordon Allen says:

      steeple. Saw those numbers. Unbelievably bad.

    152. Wobbles says:

      These numbers would have been disastrous for Trump, and I would have run over my own mother to be the first to post them here.

      But for Biden they are ok, because you have to remember most of those opposing him are backwater MAGA morons who in a civilized society composed only of Jeb Bushbots wouldn’t even be allowed to vote, let alone take part in polls.

      Among Jeb Bushbots, Biden has 89% approval.

    153. Meldrim says:

      #116, Jason, GFY. The article said “New York City has a vaccination mandate for indoor restaurants that went into effect on September 13.” As I’ve said repeatedly, but you can’t seem to get into your thick cerreño skull, I am diametrically opposed to governments imposing vaccination requirements (or masking requirements, for that matter) on private businesses. So I’m glad that protesters showed the NYC government how they felt and that the mall security folks did not become the city government’s brownshirts. Hopefully NYC will change its ridiculous policy even before the new mayor is elected–now that BLM NYC has attacked the restaurant-patron vaccine mandates as “racist” (because blacks in NYC have far lower vaccination rates than other racial and ethnic groups), it wouldn’t surprise me if NYC reverses course, albeit for the wrong reasons.

      What should be permitted–because we live in America, not Communist Cuba or Nazi Germany–is business owners setting their own health rules for their stores and restaurants. If you own a scrapple restaurant, and you require that customers show proof of vaccination against whooping cough and that they wear flight goggles before entering, that’s your own damn business and the government shouldn’t interfere with you. If a potential customer doesn’t want to show a vaccination card or wear goggles, he can go eat scrapple somewhere else. And if you drive away so much business that you have to close down your restaurant, then it’s all on you.

    154. Meldrim says:

      #167, SDC, you quoted the Rasmussen poll as finding that “Fifty-four percent (54%) of White voters believe things would be better if Trump had won. So do 53% of Hispanic voters.”

      That’s impossible. Phil assured us that people of Spanish ancestry are genetically incapable of supporting a Republican.

    155. Tgca says:

      150

      I agree with Jadon.

      Let’s face it! VBM fraud and corruption is more likely to happen in poor, crime-ridden, or blighted areas. Not because the everyday residents are more likely to commit fraud but those running the districts know that they can more likely get away with such fraud because people in these areas have much more important things to worry about in their lives such as poverty, crime, violence, affordable housing, education, etc., and there is group think and people with a desired agenda active in these areas which is always more gubbermint programs and money to keep them in power, and thus have little chance of being reported for fraud.

      People in Radnor are less likely to see fraud because they have all the funds they need and controls in place to validate voting so need for voter fraud, especially since the do-gooders in Radnor already decided they’re ok with more taxes because they can afford it and they just happen to like Biden’s woke policies as they indoctrinate their youth into the next generation of privileged white elitists that tell minorities they’re too stoopid to control their own destiny.

    156. Tgca says:

      153

      Garbage poll. Overweighted GOP biased poll, just like the GOP itself, bunch of overweight white racist folks.

      We all know Biden is very popular and his policies are a fresh of breath air to the American people. Even our foreign friends told Joe, they’re glad Amerika is back.

      Get used to it!

      Amerika loves Joe Biden!

    157. Tgca says:

      157

      Meldrim just can’t get though his thick cerreño skull that in concept, business are entrepreneurial but in reality, operating a business is not a right but a privilege under gubbermints at various levels, local, state, and federal.

      You are required to get an approved license and must comply with many rules or you can be prohibited from operating a business.

      It may not be fair or even represent complete freedom but it is the way it is in Amerika and has been for well over 100 years.

      Operating a business is not like the old Wild West where you just do what you want. Compliance is required that overrules many business objectives and desires, and often compliance means adhering to policies regarding anti-discrimination measures.

      If they wish to challenge those rules, fine but in the end, they just can’t do what they want because they own the business because then they risk losing their operating license.

      It’s that simple! Maybe not right or fair…but it’s the way of the world.

    158. Bitterlaw says:

      I have always opposed early voting and VBM except for military voters and very limited absentee ballots for illness and travel outside the district on Election Day. There should only be one Election Day.

    159. Tina says:

      Why are we citing Rasmussen approval on Biden. They are biased and a disgrace.

      -Jebot

    160. jason says:

      “is business owners setting their own health rules for their stores and restaurants”

      In other works, “freedom” to be fascists.

      Meldrim would love it in Nazi Germany.

      He would be out there advocating for the “freedom” of Jews to wear yellow stars of David on their clothing.

    161. jason says:

      If you own a scrapple restaurant, and you require that customers show proof of vaccination against whooping cough and that they wear flight goggles before entering, that’s your own damn business and the government shouldn’t interfere with you.”

      Wrong.

      What is next, a DNA test that you are not Jewish?

      Or maybe prove you are not a Republican?

      There is no “freedom” in fascism.

    162. jason says:

      Maybe Meldrim thinks Jews had the “freedom” of going to another restaurant or store when they were refused service because they were Jews.

    163. jason says:

      I have an idea for Meldrim. If a restaurant owner is that concerned about a customer maybe having COVID, he can wear a spacesuit. Then the customers can decide whether they want to go to a restaurant where they will be served by someone in a spacesuit.

      Now there is some “freedom”.

    164. jason says:

      I am not against early voting, where there is a location where you can go and cast your ballot in person early.

      PA has had that option since I have lived here and I used it several times.

      I am also ok with absentee ballots, where you sign a form requesting the ballot and giving the reason for it, then mailing it back to the registrar who then mails you a ballot where you vote, sign again and mail back. You are stating under penalty of law and signing that the reason you are requesting such ballot meets the requirements, usually that you will not be in the state on election day.

    165. jason says:

      Bitter has been uncharacteristically quiet about the Eagles.

      Are they 0-3?

    166. Phil says:

      So Biden is at 40% this morning.

      Well, that explains all the Trump hating posts out of Robbie of late. I mean, if you send a thousand bucks to the big guy you expect better results.

      No wonder the troll has been triggered.

    167. jason says:

      Don’t worry Phil, if Biden recovers in the polls Amoral Scumbag will be the first one here to post it.

    168. Phil says:

      No doubt.

    169. Bitterlaw says:

      Please note that once again, Jason brings up the NFL. Not me. The Eagles are 1-1. They play the Cowboys tonight. Dallas is favored.

    170. jason says:

      Amoral Scumbag only posts about Fauci, Trump and jason.

      Fauci is much more important now than he was under Trump. But does Amoral Scumbag criticize Biden for that? Nah.

      Trump left office 9 months ago. Biden is destroying the country. All Amoral Scumbag can come up with is some Never Trumper quote against Trump. Biden? Crickets.

      Amoral Scumbag is triggered that I point out the reality that Trump is the odds on favorite for the nomination if he runs. Because of that he has now made me some kind of HHR MAGA leader, although few here have been as critical of Trump as I have.

      I have a suggestion for Amoral Scumbag. If he thinks there is a R candidate that can beat Trump in the primaries, why doesn’t he go out there and start campaigning for such candidate. But he would never do it because IF there is a candidate that beats Trump in the primaries, Amoral Scumbag would not support him or her anyway.

      As I have said here for years, it was never about Trump.

    171. Phil says:

      Come on, Jason. Robbie is just concerned about the health 0f the Republican Party and the electability of Republican candidates.

      Wink Wink

    172. jason says:

      Dang, I guess I am a woke sport supporting hypocrite because “I brought up the NFL”.

      Poor Bitter, he really wants company in supporting the woke, partisan and corrupt NFL.

    173. Bitterlaw says:

      Zzzzzzzzzzzz I have not posted about the Eagles because I assumed the boycotters don’t want any NFL updates. But Jason needs to stir up the issue so I corrected the Eagles record. I will not report on the results of games unless Jason asks.

    174. jason says:

      I have not looked at the standings, but I make some predictions based on my intuition and last year’s standings.

      Chiefs are 2-1
      Browns 3-0
      Ravens 2-1
      Jets 0-3
      Steelers 1-2
      Raiders 2-1
      Chargers 1-2
      Patriots 1-2
      Bears 0-3
      Bucs 3-0
      Saints 2-1
      Packers 2-1
      Seahawks 2-1
      Rams 2-1
      Cardinals 1-2
      Panthers 2-1
      Cowboys 1-1

      Bitter already told me the Broncos were 2-0 and the Eagles 1-1.

      I can’t remember the rest of the teams, screw them.

      I predict the Browns will play the Bucs in the SB.

      GFYs.

    175. jason says:

      boycotters”

      LOL

      I would like to see Bitter find ONE post where ever called for any boycott of anything.

    176. Tgca says:

      173

      Translation:

      Bitter will take a knee during the National Anthem and stand with hand over heart at Black National Anthem.

      Diversity is good I thay.

    177. NYCmike says:

      Once again, jason somehow makes a “No shirt, no service” restaurant rule into a support for Nazi Germany…….the A-Hole is really an a-hole.

    178. Tgca says:

      So can a business inquire of HIV status too?

      After all, if an HIV+ tripped and fell in a restaurant and started bleeding, he could potentially infect someone else, especially if he fell on them and they got injured too and/or had an open wound. Not a likely scenario and improbable but still possible.

      We can think of all types of ridiculous examples to deny service to others that done will rationalize away.

      My fav has always been the rationale by bigots for having separate eating stations and drinking fountains for AA which was imbedded in the thought they could transmit diseases but there was no worry of AA transmitting diseases cooking and taking care of your kids in one’s home? Really?

    179. Meldrim says:

      So Jason has four posts in a row in which he says “we must permit the government to restrict business owners’ policies on health restrictions because if not WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER HOLOCAUST!”

      If that’s how you want to justify your support for Big Government telling private citizens how to run their own business, then bless your heart. But a government with the power to prevent businesses from requiring masking or vaccination is a government with the power to *force* businesses to require masking or vaccination. Our Constitution is wise enough to limit government authority, not private action.

    180. Tgca says:

      181. NYC

      No shoes, no shirt, no service and attire requirements are very different then basic civil rights embedded in local, state, and federal statutes.

      We have laws on the books to protect civil rights with respect to religion, race, healthcare privacy, etc.. As far as I know, SCOTUS has never taken up a case on shoes, no shirts no service being a denial of basic civil rights and infringing on privacy.

    181. jason says:

      Once again, jason somehow makes a “No shirt, no service” restaurant rule”

      So asking for vaccination papers and blatant discrimination to enter a restaurant is the same as “no shirt, no service”?

      That is your point? You really are a moron.

    182. Tgca says:

      183

      That is not correct reasoning.

      Laws already exist in many areas to restrict what businesses can and cannot do in the public realm with respect to privacy and civil rights.

      Like it or not, that’s the way our society operates.

      It seems like you are arguing to change existing laws. That’s another story.

      If you can deny someone based on medical status, then you can deny people your services based on gender, race, and religion too.

    183. Tgca says:

      Meldrim:

      I disagree with your reasoning that if the gubbermint can require preventing businesses from masking then they can also require you to mask up.

      So if the gubbermint can require freedom to vote, they can also take that freedom away from you?

      Same with gun rights?

      ABORTION?

      …the list goes on.

      I think you’re too broad-minded here as exceptions are us usually limited.

    184. NYCmike says:

      A-Hole walks in without a shirt, he is asked to leave.

      A-Hole walks in with a shirt, he is allowed to eat.

    185. jason says:

      o Jason has four posts in a row in which he says “we must permit the government to restrict business owners’ policies on health restrictions”

      Heh, the wannabe fascist and Big Government proponent to the extreme still thinks “freedom” is demanding “papers” to enter a business or a restaurant.

      “WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER HOLOCAUST!”

      Yeah, I am sure millions of Jews who died in the Holocaust and their families would just love to read your mocking of it.

      But the truth is it didn’t happen overnight. The restrictions on Jews were incremental. The first restrictions were mild in nature, people weren’t rounded up and taken to concentration camps at the outset.

      Allowing businesses to discriminate against customers by demanding “papers” is fascist, and it is a slippery slope that will be used to implement even more draconian measuress. No amount of twisting it around to make it look like it is providing “freedom” changes that.

    186. jason says:

      A-Hole walks in without a shirt, he is asked to leave.

      A-Hole walks in with a shirt, he is allowed to eat.”

      Every time I think you cannot be more of a moron, you surprise me.

      This has to be the worse analogy in the history of HHR.

      You can’t walk in with a horse either. You can’t crap on the table.

      How this has even a remote connection to businesses demanding vaccination papers is something only an idiot like you can believe.

    187. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason is not supporting/watching the NFL because it is woke. However, he denies that he is boycotting the NFL. Got it.

    188. NYCmike says:

      Looks like jason likes some rules and not others. Not very consistent.

      Hope all of the restaurants allow morons in, but not A-Holes. You never know what kind of mess they will make.

    189. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      @Rasmussen_Poll

      @JoeBiden
      daily presidential job approval % is – now at a new record low.
      – Majority Oppose $3.5 Trillion Spending Bill
      – Majority Against Raising Debt Ceiling
      – Majority Now Believe Pandemic A Trojan Horse For Permanent Socialism

      About the worse president in U.S. history. Carter was bad, but you respected him as a person. The Biden family cabals are scum.

    190. jason says:

      Jason is not supporting/watching the NFL because it is woke. However, he denies that he is boycotting the NFL. Got it.”

      Zzzzzzz…..

      Bitter is supporting/watching the NFL although it is woke.

      He denies supporting woke sports.

      Got it.

    191. jason says:

      Looks like jason likes some rules and not others. Not very consistent.”

      You are an idiot.

      Was demanding papers to prove you were not Jewish to enter a restaurant a “rule”? Was it a “rule” to pin yellow stars of David on Jews?

      Discrimination is not a “rule”.

      Frankly I am surprised someone who calls himself conservative would be ok with a restaurant or business demanding papers of people.

      But actually, with you, I shouldn’t be surprised.

    192. NYCmike says:

      I’m not ok with it. I would tell the restaurant owners they are being stupid and will lose my business in the future.

      BUT, since it would be their choice, and not the government telling them to do it, I would have other options, as the free market would be able to respond. Restaurants who don’t ask for covid passports would do better, and others may open up.

      In that way, it is similar to the place which mandates a shirt, or slacks, or shoes, etc, etc. You would probably find a more relaxed restaurant close by doing a brisk business.

      Are you against that?

    193. NYCmike says:

      And, it is different than asking about someones religion.

      That comparison is not a good one.

    194. jason says:

      I have not called for any boycott on any business, product, NFL, whatever.

      I have consistently said people have varying tolerances for what they find acceptable.

      I never told Bitter he should stop watching the NFL. Not once. If he doesn’t mind being lectured on race relations by woke players, owners, coaches and the sports MSM he should definitely watch. If he can justify not seeing woke messages because the Eagles don’t score, fine. If he wants to support the NFL’s political agenda by watching, he should watch.

      I cannot stomach it. It is strange that Bitter won’t extend me the same courtesy I extend him, and feels compelled to mock me for not wanting to support woke sports.

    195. NYCmike says:

      In your world, a sick person could be wheeled into a restaurant without regard for the other patrons, the staff, the owners, with the owners/managers having no recourse but to serve that person.

      Tell me how I am incorrect in saying that.

    196. jason says:

      And, it is different than asking about someones religion.”

      No, unfortunately it is not.

      Religion is an example. But what about proving you are not a Republican. Is that ok?

      What about race? Or ethnic origin? Or level of education? Or where you live?

      Again, this type of fascism is not a “rule” or even a social more.

    197. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      @mirandadevine
      A whopping 59% of voters agree w Mitch McConnell: The radical left wants to use this terrible but temporary pandemic as a Trojan horse for permanent socialism. Joe Biden, who ran as a unifying moderate, is either powerless to stop them or doesn’t wish to. Out soon
      @Rasmussen_Poll

    198. Wes says:

      Dave should rename this blog HHR: Crossfire.

    199. NYCmike says:

      Again, how I am incorrect in saying that in your world, a restaurant has to serve any person that comes in, even if they have a highly contagious disease?

      That is very different than a persons religion, political status, sexual preference etc which aren’t transferable from one person to another via germs.

    200. jason says:

      In your world, a sick person could be wheeled into a restaurant without regard for the other patrons, the staff, the owners, with the owners/managers having no recourse but to serve that person.”

      You are confused or you are stupid.

      You are confusing basic sanitation rules with a fascist and discriminatory practice of allowing private businesses to demand papers to enter.

      You can’t go into a restaurant and pee on the buffet.

      Very different from discrimination based on whether you have COVID papers or not. In fact, an non-vaccinated person who has had COVID is unlikely to get it again and has more protection than a vaccinated person.

    201. jason says:

      Again, how I am incorrect in saying that in your world, a restaurant has to serve any person that comes in, even if they have a highly contagious disease?”

      How do you know if they have a contagious disease.

      If they are demonstrably sick, it is a basic sanitation rule.

      If they are not it would be discriminatory to bar them.

      Do you propose restaurants can now bar anybody who doesn’t prove they don’t have ANY contagious disease?

    202. NYCmike says:

      “Do you propose restaurants can now bar anybody who doesn’t prove they don’t have ANY contagious disease?”

      -See #196.

      The Free Market works.

      Thanks.

    203. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason is the one who keeps bringing up the NFL. If he stops mentioning it, I will also refrain from mentioning it.

    204. NYCmike says:

      As Meldrim also believes (taking liberty here, if I am incorrect Meldrim, please let me know), it would be silly for the restaurant to put in these restrictions.

      BUT, it is preferable to the government mandating these things, as the restaurant will have to deal with the fall-out from their own choices.

    205. Bitterlaw says:

      203 I don’t recall any GFYs on Crossfire. It would have made it more exciting.

    206. Meldrim says:

      #209, NYC, you were correct to assume that I find vaccination requirements at restaurants to be silly. I merely believe that restaurant owners have the right to make their own decisions regarding the health requirements of staff and patrons. If the owner/manager believes that it isn’t safe for him (or, say, an immunocompromised waiter) to work in an indoor environment where unvaccinated people might infect him with COVID, or if he believes that he would lose staff if they were forced to work indoors among unvaccinated (and obviously unmasked, since they’d be dining) patrons, or if he believes that he would lose customers if vaccination of all patrons was not required (say, because his clientele is mostly elderly or immunocompromised), then he should be free to impose a vaccination requirement for patrons. I wouldn’t do it if I owned a restaurant, but it is not up to me–or Jason’s or Tgca’s precious government–to decide for each restaurant owner how to run his business.

      You know what else is stupid? Restaurants where they put up plastic divisors between tables. But restaurant owners have the right to be stupid, and if you don’t want to eat in such a restaurant, don’t.

    207. Tgca says:

      This “restaurant argument” is getting silly.

      So let’s expand it beyond restaurants. All food stores will require you to show your papers to shop for food. No papers, you starve to death.

      That simple!

      If you’re ok with a specific small business requiring papers because its “THEIR RIGHT” then all businesses have that same right too.

      So just starve to death you stoopid fat unvaccinated Trump voters!!!

    208. Tgca says:

      204. NYC

      The flu and colds are highly contagious and so are various skin conditions.

      Should we ask for proof of flu vaccination?

      If someone is sneezing and coughing, should they be asked to leave or denied access?

      Should we deny people access to bathrooms so they don’t spread disease as well?

      Where does it end?

    209. Tgca says:

      211

      Again, if the owner believes he will get more business from a ‘whites only” club, then why not? It’s his choice, right?

      See how that works?

      You and NYC seem to be fine with institutionalizing discrimination based on the preference of the business owner who has to seek a gubbermint permit to operate a business but then should not have to comply with gubbermint rules tied to that permit.

      How does that benefit society?

    210. NYCmike says:

      “No papers, you starve to death.”

      -As long as its not government mandated, a store which does NOT mandate showing papers will open up.

      You don’t think the Free Market works?

    211. Tina says:

      Jack Posobiec ??
      @JackPosobiec
      ·
      4m
      BREAKING: Biden says he will allow the country to get back to normal when 97-98% of Americans are vaccinated

    212. NYCmike says:

      No, Tgca, basing it on color, religion is different.

      Already been said.

    213. Tgca says:

      Jadon is right. I’ve read a tremendous amount on the German treatments of Jews since a teen. I’ve seen numerous documentaries as well.

      The discrimination changes started as subtle and then increased dramatically.

      This is how it all begins. Start small, end big.

      I am astounded that you guys can call yourselves conservatives but support segregation and discrimination.

      You complain all the time about rights slowly being taken away but you’re advocating the same here with respect to proof of vax.

      Hey, why not throw all the unvaccinated in concentration camps like some conservatives suggested about people with AIDS in the 80s.

      I guess that’s the kind of conservatism you both want in our society.

    214. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      The old fool was rambling away.

      @RudyTakala
      REPORTER: How many Americans need to be vaccinated before getting back to normal?

      BIDEN: Well, I think, look — I think we get the vast majority. 97, 98 percent.

    215. mnw says:

      Poll today:

      Monmouth has McAuliffe +5, 48-43. Same lead as a month ago.

    216. Tgca says:

      217

      How is it different? You fail to explain that NYC.

      What distinguishes race and religion from healthcare choices?

      You sound like the folks that shunned Ryan White from events because he had AIDS.

      Your ignorance of healthcare and transmittable disease is astounding.

      Vaccinated people can spread the disease just as easily as unvaccinated disease.

      Perhaps you should require Covid tests at the door instead. If you’re unvaccinated and negative, come on in.

      If you’re vaccinated and positive, get the f&ck out of here you selfish pr*ck for coming to a restaurant spreading your illness.

    217. NYCmike says:

      For some reason, Tgca and jason keep bringing up specific ethnicities and religions which nobody else is mentioning, and also bringing up state-sanctioned rules, which Meldrim specifically spoke out against.

      I’m starting to think they are doing so on purpose, as opposed to by mistake.

    218. Tgca says:

      221. MNW

      Thanks for the info but who cares about polls tonight?

      We got multiple fights going on here with some discriminating mental midgets that want all unvaccinated people to starve to death and support privileged rich woke athletes.

    219. NYCmike says:

      #222 – Which is why I would tell any restaurant owner they are being foolish for asking for covid papers……what aren’t you comprehending?

      If individual restaurants make this choice, then you can go to a different restaurant that doesn’t.

      If the city mandates a restaurant make this choice, the consumer loses the option of choosing a different restaurant, as all of the restaurants will have to abide the city edict.

    220. NYCmike says:

      My wife and I are supposed to go to see Billy Joel in January. Have to make a choice soon whether to sell the tickets or not, as they require proof of vaccination, and the wife and I do not have it.

    221. Tgca says:

      223

      No! You fail to distinguish why healthcare privacy can be discriminated against but not race and religion.

      You keep repeating the same lines over and over but offer no compelling rationale.

      I just stated scientific based evidence for you that your vax papers cannot in any way stop or decrease you from spreading Covid but you think it’s ok to ask for them from unvaccinated folks. Why?

      You are more likely to spread Covid and be responsible for someone being hospitalized and dying than many unvaccinated people based on your behavior and demographics.

      Have you considered your personal responsibility here?

    222. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      These are desperate times for Biden trolls. Robbie’s fly-bys are not adequate anymore, it’s time for him to go full kamakazi. Instead of the bonsai charge, Robbie can screen Jeeeeeeeeb!

    223. NYCmike says:

      Personally, since the tickets were a gift to me for my birthday 1-1/2 years ago, I prefer to sell the tickets and take the cash and just go out to dinner and a club in Long Island, where you don’t need to show your papers.

    224. jason says:

      For some reason, Tgca and jason keep bringing up specific ethnicities and religions which nobody else is mentioning”

      No we are giving examples why this should be unacceptable to you and anyone else opposed to fascistic mandates.

      “If individual restaurants make this choice, then you can go to a different restaurant that doesn’t”

      Why? Why should any restaurant be allowed to demand anyone’s papers?

      The point is restaurants should not have this “choice”. It is not a “choice”. It is a fascistic mandate they have no right to impose.

      Your point is ok, restaurants are wrong, they should pay a price, they will lose business.

      But that is a simplistic view. Wrong is wrong.

    225. jason says:

      If individual restaurants make this choice, then you can go to a different restaurant that doesn’t.”

      What if all the restaurant owners in the city are woke fascists?

      The premise that this is ok because you might have a choice is establishing a horrible precedent.

      As we have seen in the past, once you open the door to this sort of thing, the barn door is open to further encroachments on freedoms.

    226. Tina says:

      Jack Posobiec ??
      @JackPosobiec
      ·
      14m
      “They ain’t gonna cure it. The money’s in the medicine, that’s how you get paid. Sick people coming back. Cure it? That’s like Cadillac making a car that lasts for 50 years. There ain’t no money in that.”

      – Chris Rock, 1999

    227. jason says:

      Which is why I would tell any restaurant owner they are being foolish for asking for covid papers……what aren’t you comprehending?”

      I am sure some Jews told the Nazis they were being foolish by demanding they sew yellow Stars of David on their clothes.

      This is not about being “foolish” or not.

      This is about whether a private business should be allowed to demand papers to serve anyone.

      If you think they should, we have very different views on what kind of society we want to live in.

      But I can see you and Meldrim have a deep philosophical difference in beliefs.

      And sadly, I think your way is the way we are heading.

    228. jason says:

      I mean deep philosophical difference with me.

    229. jason says:

      But restaurant owners have the right to be stupid,”

      Stupid yes.

      Fascists, no.

    230. NYCmike says:

      Meldrim keeps arguing against state mandates.

      jason keeps saying a restaurant is fascist, despite their inability to force people to eat there.

      Someone isn’t reading what the other person is writing.

    231. jason says:

      Head of UK Labor Party refuses to confirm whether only women have a cervix.

      Normal.

    232. jason says:

      Meldrim favors private businesses having the right to demand papers to get service. He thinks that is “freedom”.

      So do you.

      I am sure the MSM and Democrats agree with both of you. The reason being if they can get away with this who know what other fascistic mandates they can get private business to impose.

      We are on opposite sides of what we view as “freedom”.

      We are not going to agree.

    233. Tgca says:

      236

      No! NYC and Meldrim are buying into ideas that were historically used to discriminate against people and deny them basic rights.

      Not enough time has passed in history to forget those.

      I remember going to stores in NYC, 47th Street Photo in particular, and seeing older Jewish men with numbers imprinted on their arms and feeling sick thinking what they had to overcome and how much they probably lost in their lives, in terms of friends and family.

    234. jason says:

      ason keeps saying a restaurant is fascist, despite their inability to force people to eat there.”

      Wow. Talk about a disconnect.

      Nobody is talking about “forcing” people to eat anywhere, the issue is whether a private business has the right to discriminate against a certain class of people by demanding their papers to get service. A class of people where they don’t even know if the individual they are discriminating against poses a bigger risk than the one they are admitting.

      You, Meldrim, Biden, DeBlasio the MSM and the entire left wing intelligentsia think they do.

      I strongly disagree.

    235. Tgca says:

      225

      You assume all restaurants are equally accessible. Untrue.

      You assume all restaurants serve the same cuisine. Untrue.

      You assume all restaurants are equally priced. Untrue.

      What about the single elderly man on a fixed budget who goes to his corner restaurant to have his daily dinner and then goes back to his home.

      We see this behavior in many small towns and big cities alike.

    236. Tgca says:

      Extend this to corner stores in many neighborhoods where supermarkets are not accessible and this is the source of food for the poor and elderly.

      Should that small business owner have a right to tell those without papers to go away and don’t come back?

      Is this what you’re saying?

      Can local taxi companies do the same? You can’t get in my cab unless you have papers?

      What about a local doctor in rural areas? Can he deny services to those that need routine non-emergency medical care?

    237. jason says:

      If the owner/manager believes that it isn’t safe for him (or, say, an immunocompromised waiter) to work in an indoor environment where unvaccinated people might infect him with COVID, or if he believes that he would lose staff if they were forced to work indoors among unvaccinated (and obviously unmasked, since they’d be dining) patrons, or if he believes that he would lose customers if vaccination of all patrons was not required (say, because his clientele is mostly elderly or immunocompromised), then he should be free to impose a vaccination requirement for patrons.”

      No, none of these reasons are an excuse for fascist mandates.

      1) Vaccinated people can spread COVID too, maybe even more than an unvaccinated person who already had COVID. If the owner is high risk then he probably shouldn’t be in a restaurant environment anyway, that is common sense. His best defense is to wear an N-95 mask and isolate himself, demanding papers is not going to help.

      2) Losing staff is a business risk for many reasons, and discriminating against patrons is not justified for this. And probably likely some employees would like to have a job where they don’t have to “show papers”. Most likely a wash in terms of employees.

      3) If the clientele is only elderly and immunocompromised, you are probably not going to survive in this environment, as most of these people hesitate to go out anyway. You might want to concentrate on takeout and delivery. And if they do go out, they are likely vaccinated.

      These are all specious arguments, even if they weren’t, none of them justify fascistic mandates.

    238. Tgca says:

      People like Biden, NYC, and Meldrim have found common ground and are tearing the country apart.

      I demand to see your conservative papers because clearly this is not conservatism.

      Please prove to us you are conservatives!

      I never bought into the “NYC is Schumer’s beyotch” but maybe I should rethink that after his unbelievable postings today.

    239. Tgca says:

      243

      I agree with my good friend Jadon who is not the sharpest knife in the drawer but even he gets it on these stoopid “vax paper” requirements.

      Now if I only convince him to support National Tofu Day, which is September 1st, as a national holiday…then we’d be more aligned.

    240. NYCmike says:

      There is no way that the media and the Democratic Party agree with meldrim that INDIVIDUAL restaurant owners have the right to refuse business due to health concerns. They want state-sanctioned mandates, which Meldrim has repeatedly argued against.

      As for “I remember going to stores in NYC, 47th Street Photo in particular, and seeing older Jewish men with numbers imprinted on their arms and feeling sick thinking what they had to overcome and how much they probably lost in their lives, in terms of friends and family.”, you are once again discriminating on ethnicity and religion, as opposed to health issues.

    241. jason says:

      Tgca, we are now at a point where “conservatives” at HHR are claiming that if a restaurant owner is immunocompromised, somehow that gives him the right to discriminate and demand papers of customers.

      If he is worried that discriminating and demanding papers of customers might cost him staff or customers, somehow that gives him the right to discriminate and demand papers of customers.

      I wonder how we got to this point. Really sad.

    242. Tgca says:

      I wear an N95 mask when I’m out and about because the vaccinated are congregating and spreading Covid as if it’s no big deal. We know that from numerous data points from around the world.

      Many of the unvaccinated take serious precautions to protect themselves.

      I wear my N95 mask when out shopping.

      I shop at off hours when it’s not crowded.

      I avoid crowds because there’s more risk of people spreading diseases and the fact that crowds tend to be stoopid people thinking with herd mentality that clearly can’t appreciate my vast intellect and EXPERTise.

      Many unvaccinated people take the necessary precautions.

    243. NYCmike says:

      Got it – according to jason and Tgca, restaurants must serve everyone without restriction!

      And the state will make sure the restaurants comply!

      Otherwise, the “fascists” win!

    244. jason says:

      There is no way that the media and the Democratic Party agree with meldrim that INDIVIDUAL restaurant owners have the right to refuse business due to health concerns.”

      Hello? Wanna bet?

      Of course they agree with these type of mandates. They agree with ANY mandates.

    245. NYCmike says:

      #250 – there would be NO MANDATE, you A-Hole!

    246. jason says:

      There is no way that the media and the Democratic Party agree with meldrim that INDIVIDUAL restaurant owners have the right to refuse business due to health concerns.”

      Why don’t you be honest and state what we really said.

      We said restaurants should not mandate COVID vaccination papers to serve people. Period.

      How hard is that?

    247. NYCmike says:

      jason is arguing for no state mandates, which agrees with Meldrims comments, but Meldrim is wrong and he is correct……….somehow.

    248. jason says:

      here would be NO MANDATE, you A-Hole!”

      LOL

      If you mandate people show your papers to eat, that is a mandate.

      You really are one dumbass moron.

    249. NYCmike says:

      “We said restaurants should not mandate COVID vaccination papers to serve people. Period.”

      -Agreed.

    250. jason says:

      jason is arguing for no state mandates”

      I have said nothing about “state mandates”, straw argument.

      You are the one really confused.

      Let me make it clear.

      PRIVATE BUSINESSES HAVE NO RIGHT TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST NON-VACCINATED PEOPLE AND HAVE NO RIGHT TO DEMAND THEIR “PAPERS”.

    251. Tgca says:

      247

      Funny! I heard one guy suggest early in the year that those with HIV are at greater risk for Covid from those not behaving responsibly like congregating in crowds, not wearing masks religiously, not social distancing, etc. This was before the vaccine was widely available.

      So I think it’s ironic that there was a time when folks called for isolating those with AIDS and HIV to protect the general public and there was a horrendous outcry of discrimination from the immunocompromised but now the immunocompromised are calling for the isolation of those that are not immunocompromised.

      Can we say HYPOCRITE!!!

    252. NYCmike says:

      “If you mandate people **wear a shirt** to eat, that is a mandate.

      -Ok, whatever you say.

      Of course, the restaurant next door, seeking to get more customers, welcomes the shirtless…..especially the women!

      So they don’t have a “mandate”.

      Which means that between the 2 restaurants, there is a CHOICE, NOT A MANDATE, which means the state allowed for the Free Market to work its magic.

    253. jason says:

      “We said restaurants should not mandate COVID vaccination papers to serve people. Period.”

      -Agreed.”

      But you believe they should be allowed to mandate COVID vaccination papers to serve people, right?

    254. NYCmike says:

      “PRIVATE BUSINESSES HAVE NO RIGHT TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST NON-VACCINATED PEOPLE AND HAVE NO RIGHT TO DEMAND THEIR “PAPERS”.”

      -If the state says they do, like in NYC, your yelling won’t make a difference.

      It is unfortunate. Personally, I will vote for Curtis Sliwa, as I don’t think Eric Adams will reverse course.

    255. NYCmike says:

      “But you believe they should be allowed to mandate COVID vaccination papers to serve people, right?”

      -As far as I can tell, they can make that choice. I would advise against it.

    256. jason says:

      “If you mandate people **wear a shirt** to eat, that is a mandate.”

      No. That is not a mandate. That is a dress code.

      Sorry you are too stupid to see the difference.

    257. jason says:

      As far as I can tell, they can make that choice.”

      So that is a yes, you think they are free to discriminate and impose a mandate on non-vaccinated people.

      I don’t agree, that is not a “choice” or “freedom”. It is discrimination and it is fascistic.

      We have a fundamental difference on how what we define as a “choice”.

    258. Tgca says:

      I think I get NYC and Meldrim’s point now.

      If a guy wants to beat his wife, fine, it’s his personal choice.

      It doesn’t mean you have to beat your wife.

    259. jason says:

      “which means the state allowed for the Free Market to work its magic”

      Dang, I wonder if Hitler and Stalin realized they were “free marketeers”.

    260. jason says:

      Hitler “allowed” all businesses to discriminate against Jews.

      I wonder if he knew he was “allowing the Free Market to work its magic”.

    261. jason says:

      Hey NYC, have you written the NBA yet demanding they impose a vaccine mandate? After all, they are a private business, they have that right don’t they? Shouldn’t they have the “freedom” and “choice” to fire the 40 unvaccinated players?

      “Though roughly 90% of NBA players are vaccinated as training camp approaches Tuesday, tension exists between those around the league mandated to be vaccinated and the nearly 40 unvaccinated players, league sources told ESPN.

      In some instances, vaccinated staffers say they’re concerned about the health risks of being exposed to unvaccinated players. In others, staffers say they’re upset that players aren’t facing the same vaccine mandates as most team staff and referees. In others, there’s animosity toward the league itself for not imposing such a mandate.

      “Everyone who is vaccinated should be pissed at those who aren’t,” a veteran assistant coach said, adding, “Not requiring NBA players to be vaccinated is horse s–t.”

      The league has pushed for mandatory vaccinations for players, league sources said, but, as ESPN first reported, the NBPA has refused to budge on a vaccine mandate for players, referring to it as a “non-starter” in negotiations between the league and the player’s union.”

    262. jason says:

      Cheating is now completely official.

      BREAKING: All-mail California.

      California will mail every voter a ballot for all future elections as @GavinNewsom
      signs bill

    263. Wes says:

      I come back from watching Kuroneku (1968) only to see the exact same debate I saw earlier going on. You guys should get some new material.

    264. NYCmike says:

      “Hey NYC, have you written the NBA yet demanding they impose a vaccine mandate?”

      -The first question reveals that there must be a language barrier somewhere for the A-Hole.

      I would council the NBA NOT to impose any covid vaccine mandates, just like I wrote to the NY Islanders that they were stupid to impose their own vaccine mandate on their players.

      Also, I am trying to buy a Wiggins jersey, from the Golden State Warriors, as he is currently trying to get an exemption from the NBA. Or is it from California? I forget.

    265. NYCmike says:

      “Cheating is now completely official.”

      -Wes to dispute this in 3…..2….1…….

    266. jason says:

      I am glad wes is floating above the fray and just drives by to criticize what others are discussing.

      Someone needs to have a life.

    267. jason says:

      I hope Bitter drives by to give us an occasional update on the Eagles – Cowboys game.

      I will waste no time reading them.

    268. jason says:

      I predict Carson Wentz will do something stupid.

    269. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      RCP Biden Poll Approval Average

      45% Favorable
      51% Unfavorable

    270. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      My hunch is the courts would not find a restaurant has violated a constitutional right by refusing to allow someone not vaccinated to dine indoors during a pandemic. The Supreme Court has already upheld mandatory vaccination laws:

      “At this time, it is unclear whether a federal mandate requiring a vaccination will be enforced or whether individual states will require mandatory vaccinations. In the 1905 landmark case of Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905) the United States Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of a state criminal law that required all adult inhabitants of Cambridge to get a smallpox vaccine or be fined. The Supreme Court explained that an individual’s liberty rights under the U.S. Constitution are not absolute and the mandatory vaccination law was necessary to promote public health and safety.”

    271. Tina says:

      Disclose.tv
      @disclosetv
      · 36m
      JUST IN – Harvard Business School moves classes online as #COVID19 “breakthrough” cases soar despite a 95% vaccination rate among students and staff.

    272. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      I am on the side of restaurants having freedom to decide whether to require vaccinations or not. If a restaurant employee is infected by a customer, the restaurant may be forced to close for weeks, and receive publicity that could ruin its business.

      In San Diego many restaurants only restrict indoor dining for those vaccinated, they can still dine outside.

    273. Phil says:

      So Biden is at 40/58. Geez

      I followed their daily numbers for the four years during the Trump administration and don’t recall him dipping below 45 even once…..and he certainly never got even close to 40. Imagine what Biden must be at now among indies to reach a bottom line 40% overall.

      No wonder Robbie is suddenly doing his Never Trump act and his buddy Corey is in hiding lately.

    274. jason says:

      I am on the side of restaurants having freedom”

      I am in favor of restaurant patrons eating wherever they want without been subject to fascist mandates.

    275. lisab says:

      “is business owners setting their own health rules for their stores and restaurants”

      In other works, “freedom” to be fascists.
      ————————–

      yeah … basically a business can refuse service in a wide range of circumstances

      almost certainly a business will be able to refuse service for not wearing a mask … businesses have often required dress codes.

      however, they probably cannot require proof of vaccination in most cases

    276. jason says:

      businesses have often required dress codes.”

      A mask is not a dress code.

    277. lisab says:

      Once again, jason somehow makes a “No shirt, no service” restaurant rule into a support for Nazi Germany
      ——————

      that rule was specifically made to keep “dirty hippies” out of stores

    278. jason says:

      “a restaurant employee is infected by a customer, the restaurant may be forced to close for weeks, and receive publicity that could ruin its business.”

      Zzzzzzz…what a crock of crap.

      How would you be able to prove the employee was infected by a customer?

      Ridiculous.

    279. jason says:

      Again, an unvaccinated person who has had COVID has more immunity than any vaccinated person.

      Why should they get vaccinated and why should they be asked for “papers”.

    280. lisab says:

      I merely believe that restaurant owners have the right to make their own decisions regarding the health requirements of staff and patrons.
      ————————————–

      it is highly unlikely a business can ask to see your health records

      some can … like schools, but most cannot

    281. lisab says:

      businesses have often required dress codes.”

      A mask is not a dress code.
      ——————-

      making patrons wear certain attire has been upheld in court many times, and likely would with masks

      but asking for health records would probably not win in court

    282. lisab says:

      Again, if the owner believes he will get more business from a ‘whites only” club, then why not? It’s his choice, right?
      ———————

      there are still “whites only” clubs

    283. jason says:

      making patrons wear certain attire has been upheld in court many times, and likely would with masks”

      Masks are not “attire”.

      Neither are bandaids. Or knee braces.

    284. Tgca says:

      278. SDC

      Then restaurants should also require flu shots, right?

      Also, restaurants should deny anyone with a cold service as well because they could infect others and no one should have to go to a restaurant and pick up a cold, right?

      …and people with HIV should be required to prove they have a low viral load because immunocompromised people are more likely to catch and further spread Covid to others, so other diners should be ensured their safe from them, right?

      Are you ok with a restaurant making these choices too?

    285. Tgca says:

      Because restaurants can’t discriminate based on age, race, religion, they should not discriminate on health issues either.

      I am a proponent of revoking the license of any business that denies service to unvaccinated because license to operate is a privilege not a right, and they secure that license in a community to abide by local laws so if they are deemed discriminating, shut them down.

      That simple!

    286. Tina says:

      Jason Rantz on KTTH Radio
      @jasonrantz
      · 2h
      Jen Psaki: It’s “unfair and absurd” that companies would increase costs for consumers in response to us taxing them more. ?

    287. Tgca says:

      NYC, Meldrim, and SDC have been whining about conservatives being discriminated against and how unfair it is but they are now willing to discriminate against people on healthcare issues.

      …and SDC as a gay man should be reminded that during the AIDS epidemic, many supported isolating gays and denying them rights so don’t ever complain about that again as you’re a HYPOCRITE to now support discriminating against others based on their health status.

      Should gay men have been required to prove negative HIV status back in the 80s and early 90s to dine in a restaurant when there was doubt about all the ways HIV could spread?

    288. Tgca says:

      292. Tina

      This goes to Biden’s idiotic comment months ago that businesses won’t raise prices for increased taxes.

      So businesses are going to pay increased taxes and watch their earnings outlook decrease?

      I’m sure the stock market will respond well to that which only increases the likelihood of layoffs.

      These people are STOOPID!!!

    289. Tgca says:

      Any gay man that supports discrimination upon others based on healthcare issues is like an AA who tries to justify slavery today in another country as being a personal choice for that country.

      It’s beyond ludicrous!

      This has disgusted me to hear gays complain about this lately with Covid.

      The f*ckin gay community was devastated by AIDS in the US and early on and many folks went out of their way to show compassion and help them but now we get selfish hypocritical gays saying that’s different and this is NOW.

    290. Tgca says:

      Also, the CDC admits that vaccinated people spread the disease and the vaccine does not prevent you transmitting Covid and there is no real evidence that unvaccinated are spreading Covid at greater levels then vaccinated, especially when the vaccinated are the ones not wearing masks or social distancing so why require unvaccinated fir proof of sinething that does not prevent transmission?

      People are stoopid if they can’t understand that concept!

      In fact, we are seeing areas with high vaccination spreading Covid and every time you read the news you find out some other vaccinated person now has tested positive for Covid or sick from it.

    291. NYCmike says:

      Tgca slips the word “gay” before the word “man”, thereby making it a discriminatory act, as opposed to a restaurant owner asking ALL patrons to abide by their same rules, which is what Meldrim and others are speaking about, WITHOUT the STATE getting involved with their police power, thereby leaving the choices up to the consumer on what to do.

      A very conservative position, as opposed to the one-size-fits-all, do-as-we-say-or-else rules that jason and Tgca are advocating.

    292. NYCmike says:

      Tgca,

      Why do you keep bringing up facts like what the CDC says? Meldrim and I have both stated we think it is stupid for a restaurant owner to decide to put in a Covid vaccine mandate, for various reasons, that one included.

    293. NYCmike says:

      Yoooo

    294. NYCmike says:

      CCC

    295. Tgca says:

      NYC

      I’m sure you would advocate for an Muslim restaurant then to deny Jewish folks service because of there religion. There is absolutely no difference between discriminating against someone because of their religion and their perceived health condition because they are not vaccinated. NONE!

      They are both based on ignorance and not on facts.

      Studies currently show an unvaccinated person who experienced Covid is more likely to be protected from Covid again than a vaccinated person that never had Covid.

      Studies do NOT show that either vaccinated nor non-vaccinated are more like to transmit Covid.

      Anyone, vaccinated or non-vaccinated with or without natural immunity all can transmit the virus.

      Based on this, it makes no sense to discriminate against ONLY the unvaccinated.

      If you can’t understand this, you are an example of the dumbing down of America.

    296. Tgca says:

      Let’s not forget a big reason for racism against minorities were their perceived risk of transmitting diseases to whites. This was all part of separate but equal as well until the Warren Court struck it down in the 1950s.

      …and I’ll repeat it for the ignorant here. Part of the reason Thurgood Marshall, believes he won at SCOTUS often, I believe like 30 times was because he was able to show the nonsense and hypocrisy of bigots.

      My fav is when it was believed AA should be kept separate from whites due to the risk of transmitting diseases but the bigots could not explain then why these AA in large numbers worked to care for the children and cook and serve meals to whites.

      Bigotry is bigotry no matter how you try and eco,sin it away.

    297. Tgca says:

      392

      Last sentence is “explain” it away.

    298. NYCmike says:

      “They are both based on ignorance and not on facts.”

      -Well, that is totally ridiculous.

      The person who is Jewish can’t change the fact they are Jewish, or most likely won’t.

      An unvaccinated person, like a sick person, can change their status.

      Would you admit the sick person, or do you allow them to be excluded until they are well? So it goes for the unvaccinated person.

      Health issues are different than race, religion, etc.

    299. NYCmike says:

      “Based on this, it makes no sense to discriminate against ONLY the unvaccinated.”

      -Which is why both Meldrim and I said it would be stupid for the restaurant owner, or the NBA owner, to put in such a mandate for their company.

    300. NYCmike says:

      Cheers, and good night!

    301. Tgca says:

      So NYC says that a person is not discriminated because they can change their behavior?

      Absurd argument! That in itself is a bigoted statement because you define what you don’t like and tell people they will be accepted if they change.

      Actually, a Jewish person can change their religion. Many do! That was the desired preference for acceptance by many years ago. Radical Islam prefers people give up their religion and convert to Islam and then they will be accepted.

      An obese person can also change and reduce their risk for Covid.

      A gay person can change their behavior and abstain from gay relations.

      Discrimination is based on many things and for you to minimize the health status as not important shows your ignorance. Fortunately, we have laws against bigots like you to protect the health and privacy of people.

    302. Tgca says:

      Notice NYC, Meldrim, and SDC don’t address the relative point that if you can require into the safety of Covid of your customers, then why can’t you require a flu vaccination proof too because the flu kills tens of thousands annually and is easily and highly transmittable.

      Notice NYC, Meldrim, and SDC don’t address the scientific evidence that the vaccine does not slow down or prevent transmission of Covid. So why target the unvaccinated when the vaccinated can spread it too?

      Perhaps it’s where they live and they’re stuck in group think in their liberal surroundings, at least two of them are.

      It’s because of discrimination and ignorance. That’s why!

      These three have lost any credibility of being conservative.

    303. Tgca says:

      Brilliantly stated by an NBA star in simple terms anyone with half a brain can understand.

      But NYC, Meldrim, and SDC would say he can be denied access to a restaurant because he’s not vaccinated.

      https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/nba-star-bradley-beal-is-vaccine-woke-brilliantly-played/

    304. jason says:

      Most arguments here don’t bother me, even the longstanding ones.

      But the fact people who claim to be conservative are actually on board with a fascist and blatantly discriminatory “show me your papers” mandates to enter a restaurant is scary. The fact that these same people view this as “freedom” for the business owner to “run his own business” is even scarier, since nothing is farther from the truth, this is a complete bastardization of what “freedom” is all about.

      To me it means the movement to a nanny, autocratic state where individual liberties are traded “for the common good” is alive and well, and people that should know better are succumbing to it.

    305. jason says:

      Health issues are different than race, religion, etc.”

      Translation: there is good fascism and discrimination and bad fascism.

      And of course even the basic premise is wrong too. Is an unvaccinated person who has had COVID and has natural immunity a bigger threat of spreading COVID than a person vaccinated person in April whose immunity may be wearing off? Can any restaurant owner answer that?

      To accept that business owners have the “right” and the “freedom” to discriminate against unvaccinated persons is to accept a political argument made by the MSM and the Democrats, it has nothing to do with “health”.

    306. Phil says:

      41/58 this morning.

    307. jason says:

      An unvaccinated person, like a sick person, can change their status.”

      You WILL “change your status” or you will be shot.

      Where have we seen that before?

      “Would you admit the sick person, or do you allow them to be excluded until they are well? So it goes for the unvaccinated person”

      Hello? “Allow them to be excluded”.

      Geezus.

    308. jason says:

      thereby leaving the choices up to the consumer on what to do.”

      Tgca, when blacks were forced to sit in the back of the bus, I guess they could have “chosen” to not take the bus.

      I think that is what NYC means by “consumer choice”.

    309. jason says:

      The Dems are selling some Kommie Kory math.

      If you raise taxes in the amount of 3.5 trillion to pay for a 3.5 trillion boondoggle, the “cost” of the boondoggle is zero.

      Brilliant!

    310. jason says:

      Let’s review the facts:

      1) Vaccinated people spread COVID.

      “An outbreak in Provincetown, Massachusetts—in which 74 percent of the 469 cases were in the fully vaccinated—forced the CDC to update its mask guidance and issue a sad and sobering warning: Vaccinated people infected with the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant can be just as contagious as unvaccinated people”.

      2) Vaccinated people can get COVID again.

      3) Unvaccinated people who have had COVID are even less likely to get reinfected than vaccinated people (from CDC website).

      Given these facts, even if you believe business owners should be allowed to impose fascist and discriminatory mandates on their customers, it should be obvious that even from the bogus “health issue” standpoint there is no justification for this fascist practice.

    311. Phil says:

      They wouldn’t try selling that ridiculous drivel, Jason, if they felt there was any chance that the media wouldn’t go all in to gas light it. They are such liars.

      Very sad state of affairs.

    312. Phil says:

      Referring to 316.

    313. Phil says:

      Oops – referring to your post 315 I meant to say.

    314. mnw says:

      A mysterious group in VA is running ads in rural areas claiming, “You can’t trust Glenn Youngkin on the Second Amendment. That’s why the NRA endorsed President Trump, but NOT Glenn Youngkin!”

      These are not digital ads. They’re genuine TV ads, & they’re up and running right now.

      The group is hosted by ActBlue, and those donors who can be identified are liberal DEMs.

      Reminds me of the Libertarian Senate candidate in MT, a one-issue candidate who claimed that Trump was soft on gun rights– he also got on the ballot thanks to DEMs & was funded by DEMs.

    315. Cash Cow TM says:

      Article on the VA governors race–tossup.

      https://news.trust.org/item/20210928095914-6lmac

    316. Phil says:

      Due to Biden’s erosion of popularity, the Virginia race will be closer than it should be. Toss up? No, instead of a 10 point spread it will be 4 or 5. Still, I agree that in actual Virginia swing House districts, Democrats will be in some real Jeopardy. Unfortunately, thanks to loony Northern Virginia that Jeopardy does not extend to the state as a whole.

    317. jason says:

      You can’t trust Glenn Youngkin on the Second Amendment.”

      But you can trust McCauliffe on the 2nd Amendment.

      “As Virginia’s 72nd Governor, Terry signed an Executive Order banning guns in most state buildings, proposed a dozen common-sense gun safety bills, and vetoed 15 radical Republican bills that would have further weakened Virginia’s gun laws. As the first southern Governor to be elected after running with an “F” rating from the NRA, he passed the first meaningful gun safety laws in decades, including a domestic violence law that was one of the toughest in the nation, and a requirement that State Police be present at every gun show to run voluntary background checks on private sales.”

    318. jason says:

      Do the ads mention McCauliffe has an F rating from the NRA?

    319. Phil says:

      Baris has just completed state wide polling of Georgia. He shows Walker up 4.5 points in the Senate race. Walker actually has a very tiny lead in the Atlanta suburbs. Mostly he is leading because he is getting the fired up R base that didn’t turn out in northern and central Georgia for Purdue in the Senate runoff. His polling also shows Kemp will likely lose in the governor’s race. Republicans don’t like him.

    320. Gordon Allen says:

      41/58. Biden surging!

    321. Tina says:

      Sharp drop in consumer confidence for September.

    322. jason says:

      Republicans don’t like him.”

      Easy to see why.

      Question is do they like Stacey Abrams less.

    323. mnw says:

      See… the ads in VA are a FALSE FLAG operation.

      They’re NOT a disinterested firearms PAC, trying to be informative on gun rights. Got it? McAuliffe is BEHIND the curtain.

    324. Phil says:

      Baris concludes that enough Republicans, while they certainly dislike Abrams, are pissed enough at Kemp to make the difference.

      If I were a voter in Georgia I’d absolutely hold my nose and vote for Kemp. Kemp brought this on himself, however.

    325. Jeff G. says:

      It looks like progressives will create every program in their spending bill but lower the “cost” by funding everything for fewer years within the 10-year budget window.

      In other words, 3-4 years of spending will be “paid for” with 10 years of tax hikes. Manchin and Synema are both going to eventually support this farce and claim they are moderates who brokered a “compromise”.

      The 10-year budget scoring also includes the assumption of huge revenue gains after most of the Trump tax cuts expire after 2025.

      The cake is baked. Socialism is here. (I hope I’m wrong.)

    326. jason says:

      They’re NOT a disinterested firearms PAC, trying to be informative on gun rights. Got it? McAuliffe is BEHIND the curtain.”

      Got it.

      But the problem for McCauliffe in rural VA is that he is not an unknown quantity. I doubt this will be very effective.

    327. jason says:

      The cake is baked. Socialism is here. (I hope I’m wrong.)”

      You are not wrong, believe me.

    328. jason says:

      I better get this new scandal in before Amoral Scumbag does.

      “Trump summoned a young, female press aide to his Air Force One cabin so he could look at her butt, new book says”

    329. jason says:

      No guy who ever looked at someone’s butt can run for office.

      This will narrow the field.

    330. jason says:

      Not all news is bad.

      Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said she’s planning to vote against the bipartisan infrastructure deal struck by moderate Democrats unless she gets “new information,” she told Politico on Tuesday.”

    331. Jeff G. says:

      Manchin and Synema are just Bart Stupak 2.0. They have no intention of stopping this spending train wreck. Hello to major middle class tax increases that will be inevitable to pay for all this crap.

    332. Tgca says:

      314

      Agreed Jadon. Walking over taking the bus would have been good exercise too so think of the upside to that for blacks back in the day.

      …and those blacks complaining they had to drink from separate water fountains could just have lugged around their own water bottles. Now back in the day, especially in the south where summers are very hot and humid, the black folk could have carried around 3 gallon jugs all day to ensure they were hydrated and since that’s like 24 pounds of water, they could have increased their muscle mass to better support their skeletal system and reduce fat because more muscle means you burn more fat – so again – there were health advantages for blacks being forced to drink from separate fountains.

    333. Tgca says:

      316. Jadon

      We keep repeating these FACTS but they’re ignored in favor of fascist indoctrination talking points by a few folks here.

      Again, I ask the fascists wannabes to answer these questions:

      1. Both Covid and the flu are highly contagious and can make you sick but the survival rate is nearly 100% for most people without immunocompromised bodies. Should vaccine papers be required for both the flu and Covid?

      2. Natural immunity outperforms vaccinated immunity so should a non-vaccinated Covid survivor still be required to get a vaccination?

      3. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated can equally transmit Covid so should one be allowed entry for services in a business and not the other.

      If you did not answer NO to ALL 3 questions, you are ignorant of the science and making your decisions on perception over facts which is what fascists do to try and control people, set perceptions to scare people in compliance.

    334. Tgca says:

      335

      Indeed! Mayor Butt will be the next POTUS then unless you disqualify those that look at men’s butts.

    335. jason says:

      Correct. Manchin and Sinema will not stop the boondoggle.

      Even IF (and it is a big IF) they really insisted on 1.5 trillion, combined with the other bill we are talking $3 trillion.

      But they won’t insist, look for it to be cut to maybe $2.7 trillion for a total of $ 4 trillion, which basically is everything the Dems wanted.

    336. jason says:

      Elections have consequences.

      Idiots like Brian Kemp and the GA SOS have essentially cost the taxpayers $ 4 trillion.

    337. jason says:

      “We helped build a state … but we could not forge a nation. The fact that the Afghan army that we and our partners trained simply melted away, in many cases without firing a shot, took us all by surprise.”

      — Def. Sec. Lloyd Austin testifies”

      Zzzzzzz…..

      So why don’t you resign, since you admit you “were taken by surprise”?

    338. jason says:

      Hello Brian Kemp?

      “The Secretary of State’s office has opened an investigation into the drop box chain of custody documentation for Dekalb County,” Raffensperger’s office told Just the News. “The investigation includes not only whether Dekalb County properly complied with the documentation required by the State Election Board but also whether the actual procedures used by Dekalb adequately protected chain of custody for ballots returned to drop boxes.”

      A spokesman for DeKalb County did not immediately return calls or respond to emails from Just the News last week or Monday seeking comment.

      The announcement of the probe comes less than a month after the Georgia Star news site reported that 43,907 of the 61,731 absentee ballots deposited in drop boxes in the November 2020 presidential election in DeKalb County — 72% —were counted in official tallies certified by the county and the state though they had not met the chain of custody requirements set by the Georgia State Election Board on July 1, 2020.”

    339. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      @JackPosobiec
      Why didn’t General Milley ever call the Chinese military and ask what they were up to in Wuhan?

    340. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      @DailyCaller
      General Milley denies any wrongdoing in his calls with the Chinese while Trump was in office: “I am specifically directed to communicate with the Chinese. These military to military communications at the highest level are critical to the security of the United States.”

      It is critical for U.S. security that we inform our enemies that we will tell them in advance of any plan to attack them. They must have time to dress and arm appropriately, and make sure their payments to Hunter are up to date.

    341. Wes says:

      jason says:
      September 28, 2021 at 11:32 am
      No guy who ever looked at someone’s butt can run for office.

      This will narrow the field.

      I’m out, guys.

    342. NYCmike says:

      Dress code = dress code

      Health code for a specific restaurant, not backed up by state force, and not conditional on color, race, religion = Hitlers Germany

      Got it.

      BUT, if you are sick, the same restaurant can exclude you from service, vaccinated or unvaccinated……that’s fine……..because of health codes…….

    343. NYCmike says:

      Of course, if you don’t tell them you are sick……Hitler!

      ** Notice, I never mentioned race, religion, color, creed……. **

    344. Wes says:

      You guys are still fighting over this?

      Has HHR run out of things to fight about?

    345. Tgca says:

      349

      You forgot sexual orientation. Bigot!

    346. NYCmike says:

      Wes,

      You are right to ask that.

      I am surprised when 2 supposedly intelligent persons keep misrepresenting the arguments others are making……then again, an A-Hole is involved………

    347. NYCmike says:

      #351 – that was in the ……., but yes, sorry about that.

    348. Tgca says:

      350. Wes

      We’re trying to see if this can break the 12 day record of Bitter and Jadon’s feud over…I think wokeness back early in the year.

      Besides, fascism is not something you resolve over night.

      Jadon and me are allies against the axis of evil supported by Meldrim, NYC, and SDC.

      Let’s just hope the Allies prevail this time around too.

    349. Tgca says:

      As a Reagan would say. There NYC goes again…

      I’m sure Ronald Reagan, a staunch anti-fascist and anti-communist, would disagree that Americans need to carry passports identifying themselves segregated into a “class” of citizens. That’s what they usually do in dictatorships and not in America but our Mussolini in NYC thinks otherwise.

      “Show me your papers or else you can’t eat.”

    350. Transparent Dem Troll says:

      Breaking News…

      The California legislature has just approved a wide range of new laws that will take effect in the next few years. Gov. Newsom promises to sign each into law in the coming days. The new measures include:

      1) By July 1, 2023, the property of every 503c non profit organization will be seized by the state, and sold in an effort to provide new revenue for the state budget.

      2) Every baby born a biological girl faces a mandated gender re-assignment surgery by age 12. Similarly, babies born as biological boys will be forced to undergo breast implant surgery prior to age 15. The legislation seeks to make everyone the same and therefore put an end to gender bias and discrimination.

      3) A related law will require geneticists to discover and implement new technologies by 2025 that will alter DNA to force everyone have the same skin color and physical features.

      4) California climate scientists will be required to implement, by January 1, 2026, a state-wide weather modification network, ensuring a constant temperature of 80 degrees, 24/7, 365 days a year. This law will enable…

      5) By January 1, 2026, clothing of all kinds will be outlawed in a effort to end the exploitation of low income workers in developing countries.

      6) By January 1, 2026, California workers will pay 110% of their income in taxes so state officials can fight climate change around the world. California businesses will be taxed 150% of annual income, and be assessed an asset tax of 90% annually.

      7) Effective immediately, California’s borders with Arizona, Oregon and Nevada will be aggressively patrolled by the California Guard, whereby they are authorized to shoot and kill any US Citizen in California attempting to flee the state. The border with Mexico will also be patrolled, but only to stop Californians from leaving, as all Mexican immigrants are welcome to cross over border, and then freely move across the borders to other states.

      When asked to comment, Governor Newsom called the new measures, “A great day for democracy!”

    351. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “Top military officials on Tuesday testified that they assessed that the U.S. should maintain a presence of at least 2,500 troops in Afghanistan, with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin admitting that their input was “received” by President Biden, despite Biden’s claims to the contrary.”

      Biden lie?

    352. Tina says:

      F joe Biden

      Girdusky
      @RyanGirdusky
      · 56m
      (Quinnipiac – Texas only) Do you approve/disapprove of Biden?

      Overall: 32/61
      GOP: 3/96
      Dem: 83/13
      Indies: 25/66

    353. Phil says:

      You need to move here to Texas, Tina. You’ll be surrounded by normal people instead of those loons you are now surrounded by. Sell your home for a million or so and buy three times the home down here – and no income tax. Will be happy to have your name on our voting rolls.

    354. Phil says:

      Good luck Beto running for governor of Texas in this climate.

      He may have been born to run, but he sure wasn’t born to win.

    355. Tgca says:

      This sickens me that the father of missing lady Gabby Petito, found dead, is now pushing a woke message that all missing person should get equal attention in the media after there was criticism by some radical lefties in the MSM demanding equality.

      People go missing all the time and only certain stories make it to the National level because they have drama or mass appeal to sell. You can’t force interest in stories on the public. Sorry! But most people will not care if a homeless person goes missing but will pay more attention to some rich little debutante from Radnor.

      As horrible as each missing case is, about 500,000 to 600,000 people go missing every year with most found but there’s are still like 17,000 missing people not found for years.

      To think the national media could focus on that many missing people annually would mean the news would be 24/7 missing people and nothing else with still not devoting time to every case.

      “I want to ask everyone to help all the people that are missing and need help. It’s on all of you, everyone that’s in this room to do that,” he said, pointing to reporters and cameras in front of him. “And if you don’t do that for other people that are missing, that’s a shame, because it’s not just Gabby that deserves it.”

      https://www.newsmax.com/us/gabby-petito-laundrie-father-missing/2021/09/28/id/1038309/

    356. Tgca says:

      360 Phil

      I thought Beto was born to skateboard with his fake Latino heritage…or go to the dentist.

    357. Phil says:

      That too, Tgca.

    358. Tgca says:

      361

      I should further say, I think putting Gabby’s family in the predicament by the MSM of having to comment on wokeness issues while mourning the loss of their daughter is disgraceful part on the MSM.

      I am sure the homophobe Joy Reid is happy now but guess what Joy? It won’t change anything because people will tune out those stories that don’t interest them so feel free to have your network spend all their time and resources on this instead of spreading fake news. Watch your ratings dive even further.

    359. Tina says:

      Thanks Phil.

      Been thinking about it,

    360. lisab says:

      i think the father said the right thing

      it is on the reporters to cover stories,

      the reporters covered gabby more than most because she was pretty

      but any normal father would feel the same if their daughter went missing

    361. Wes says:

      I didn’t see anything woke about what the father said. He said not only Gabby deserves media coverage among people who go missing. He made no reference to race, ethnicity, or any other leftist buzzwords. He’s a grieving father who now knows what other people go through.

      Criticizing the media for not taking more interest in similar cases doesn’t strike me as woke. He’s getting some degree of satisfaction. Others don’t receive the same courtesy.

    362. Tgca says:

      366 LisaB

      I get that but the MSM, specifically Joy Reid, has been harping on this before they found her body and putting attention to inequality while they were fearing the worst about their daughter. That is horrible to put the family in that situation during that time.

      You think this was front and center what the family was concerned with? No! My gut tells me they got pushed into this so the story did not turn negative on their daughter because let’s face it, the homophobe Joy Reid was basically nationalizing why should this “pretty white girl be so special.”

      Guess what? Fat ugly white trash girls don’t get the same coverage either so it’s not a race issue as much as a story people want to hear about like JonBenet Ramsey. Remember, her? The 6 year old pageant queen child murdered that was in the news for years. Many other kids, white and not, get murdered too but her story had appeal that they even made a movie about it.

    363. Tgca says:

      367. Wes

      This all came about because Joy Reid started pushing it and then other lefty journalists picked up on it. They made it into a race issue that their daughter was getting special privilege as a pretty white girl.

      You think the parents would have been talking about that at this time? You think that would be on a parents mind when they were still uncertain of their child’s fate though it appeared she was dead?

      It’s disgusting the MSM did that.

    364. Tgca says:

      To be clear. I’m not accusing the parents of being woke. I’m accusing the MSM of using them as a conduit to push a woke message.

      Go back and look at the reporting by Joy Reid and others.

      Imagine being that parent who dint know yet the fate of their child but fear the worst and turning on the TV and having a National dialogue on your child is a white privilege and getting special attention.

      If you don’t think that is disgusting then we have different standards of how to treat grieving parents and how the MSM should treat them.

    365. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “…so-called ‘street gangs’ are showing an increased tendency towards violence, and that this violence was becoming more severe when it took place.

      “If previously they maybe fired one shot or shot someone in the legs, today it’s more about AK47s, using more bullets, hand grenades and explosions that we didn’t see before. I’d say that’s the biggest shift we see – they’re more reckless, they don’t seem to care about the consequences,”

      The quote above is not about an American city, it is from a city in Sweden.

    366. Tgca says:

      Biden so busted lying to the American public about advice from military to leave at least 2,500 troops in Afghanistan.

      Transcript from Biden TV interview on Aug 18th is a direct contradiction of what Milley, Austin, and McKensie told Congress in hearings this week.

      Psaki tries to spin Biden’s boldface lie and she says “it’s complicated and says it should not be simplified.”

      STEPHANOPOULOS: But your top military advisors warned against withdrawing on this timeline. They wanted you to keep about 2,500 troops.

      BIDEN: No, they didn’t. It was split. Tha– that wasn’t true. That wasn’t true.

      STEPHANOPOULOS: They didn’t tell you that they wanted troops to stay?

      BIDEN: No. Not at — not in terms of whether we were going to get out in a timeframe all troops. They didn’t argue against that.

      STEPHANOPOULOS: So no one told — your military advisors did not tell you, “No, we should just keep 2,500 troops. It’s been a stable situation for the last several years. We can do that. We can continue to do that”?

      BIDEN: No. No one said that to me that I can recall.

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/28/white-house-struggles-to-defend-joe-biden-lie-about-advice-on-troops-in-afghanistan/

    367. lisab says:

      I get that but the MSM, specifically Joy Reid, has been harping on this before they found her body and putting attention to inequality while they were fearing the worst about their daughter.
      ——————————————–

      that is on joy reid, not the father

    368. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      372. Biden is such a sleazy liar. Anyone want to claim he never profited from the money his son Hunter collected as a “consultant”? Maybe concerned troll will do in a special fly-by to defend Hunter – didn’t Robbie defend Hunter in the past?

    369. Tgca says:

      373. LisaB

      I disagree. You think the father would have even brought this up as an issue had it not been circulating in the public sphere by MSM wanting to make an example of his daughter?

      I think the family felt they needed to address this publicly and that’s because the MSM was basically stating “pretty white girls” get special treatment.

      I could not imagine parents going through such a trying time would be focused on advocacy positions.

    370. Tgca says:

      Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

      Ha! Ha! Ha!

      Skank Liz Cheney now pushing transgender rights.

      She says:

      “…Freedom means freedom for everybody.”

      This is the person who threw her sister under the bus publicly as a campaign opportunity to appeal to conservative voters in WY in her senate bid when she tried to unseat Enzi which caused such a rift that her sister and her sisters wife publicly rebutted her about it.

      Liz sounds very desperate at this point, especially considering her statement acknowledging the other day that a vote against her is a vote against the constitution.

      https://www.wnd.com/2021/09/liz-cheney-endorses-radical-transgender-agenda/

    371. Bitterlaw says:

      Watching the NJ Governor debate. Gov. Murphy gets some polite applause. Ciaterrelli is getting loud applause and Murphy has gotten booed.

      Ciaterrelli hammering Murphy on his proposal to keep abortion legal through the end of 9 months gestation. Murphy says his opponent supports repealing Roe (which he explicitly said he does not support).

      Biggest boos for Murphy when he tried to explain his statement that if taxes are your number 1 issue that New Jersey is not for you.

    372. Tgca says:

      377

      Thanks for the update.

      Glad I left Jersey if the gubbernor thinks people should leave the state because they don’t want to pay more taxes.

      At least he’s stoopid honest on that issue.

    373. Bitterlaw says:

      361 This sickens me that the father of missing lady Gabby Petito, found dead, is now pushing a woke message

      370 To be clear. I’m not accusing the parents of being woke.

      Always good to see Tgca maintain a consistent message.

    374. Tgca says:

      I’ve read about this a few times but thought I’d post this EXTREMELY surprising study. Since it was a scientific study, it’s important to follow the science…riiiiiiight?

      Tell me something I don’t know!

      Personality Traits, Mental Illness, and Ideology
      Higher rates of mental illness have been found on the far left.

      “…overall, liberals tended to report poorer mental health than conservatives. This trend was particularly pronounced for those of both sexes self-labeled as “extremely liberal,”

      https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unique-everybody-else/202103/personality-traits-mental-illness-and-ideology

    375. Tgca says:

      379

      Actually, if you actually could comprehend, you would see I’m consistent. I stated he is pushing a woke message and is a conduit of that message by the woke media forcing him into a position on the matter. I specifically stated he was being forced into an unnecessary message by the MSM and did not say he was woke, as that was never my intent.

      Though not exactly the same, because it’s not cause and effect, it’s similar to when lefty politicians and MSM try to use families of gun violence at their most vulnerable time to push an anti-gun message.

      But since you are part of the woke culture, I don’t expect you to see that difference.

      Now you can go back to listening to the Black National Anthem on your iPod.

    376. Bitterlaw says:

      Heated exchange over Trump rally on January 6. Murphy said his opponent supported the insurrection that lead to people dying. Response? “But you have no concern for all those people who died in the nursing homes because of your policies.” Very loud applause.

    377. Tgca says:

      …oh…let us know what parts of Murphy’s talking points tonight you vigorously applaud to as well.

      https://tenor.com/view/nalleluring-flygmottomgylf-gif-19720813

    378. Bitterlaw says:

      I have completely refuted your false allegations of supporting woke culture. I do not support or listen to the Black National Anthem (which I had to google to see what it actually is). I do not own an iPod.

    379. Cash Cow TM says:

      Some linger questions from “irregularities” in the 2020 election…

      I have STILL NOT READ OR HEARD of any logical explanation regarding the following.

      Please provide a link if Cow missed something that logically explained these things:

      1. The video in GA where the vote counters pulled out wheeled suitcases of ballots (tens of thousands of ballots) and then ran then through the machines (multiple times?)–during the time when vote counting was suspended and all poll watchers were sent away due to the big flooding problem (actually small toilet leak, and actually far away from counting area) in the arena counting area–so they counted them without any poll watchers present.

      2. The video of the live shot of MSM TV stations on election night in either WI or MI showing the actually vote totals of Trump and Biden where suddenly Trump LOST thousands of state total votes.

      3. Any disputation by fact of the factual charges in NV of thousands of voters in NV who also were registered to vote in CA.

      4. Any disputation and blowing out of the water the claims of thousands of votes being cast in Maricopa county, AZ by people who were not registered there, sent in a mail in vote despite the fact there is no record of them being mailed one, or mailed the mail in ballot back before the date the ballot was mailed out to them; or of the many thousands of registered voters (and ballot casters) who all has the same home phone number listed on the state SOS database.

      5. What actually happened to that mail truck carrying ballots that disappeared in PA.

      These are for starters.

    380. Bitterlaw says:

      I do not support Murphy. But you know that.

      Each candidate was asked to say something nice about the other. Murphy said his opponent is a good husband and father of four, including one in the Army. Ciaterrelli thanked Murphy for being a Red Sox fan because the Yankees just beat them. He also thanked him for being willing to serve as Governor, though he disagreed with his actions, despite his great wealth

    381. Tgca says:

      386

      I do NOT know that!

      I know you’re constantly virtue signaling and supporting wokesters – now that I know.

      But hey! I get it. You being from Philly that’s your thing.

      To each HIS own…

      …or do I need to ask your preferred pronoun 1st. Sorry if you’re offended.

    382. Bitterlaw says:

      Ciaterrelli gets a B+. Murphy gets a C. Debate will generate ads by both. Probably a small audience watched it but it did air during Jeopardy’s time slot.

    383. Tgca says:

      I’d really love to continue this lovely chat but I’m putting together a dresser/cabinet tonight so I need to focus on more important things. So manly of me I know.

      Let us know your fav parts of Murphy’s talking points tonight though. We’re really interested in your woke views.

    384. Bitterlaw says:

      I am from New Jersey. From 1990 to 1991, I lived in Bryn Mawr. From 1991-1993, I lived in Devon. From 1994-2002, I lived in Philadelphia. From November 2002 through now, I live in the Rosemont section of Radnor. Please take notes.

    385. Bitterlaw says:

      Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Tgclown really thinks he can convince people that I support Murphy even though I have voted only for Republican candidates since my first vote at 18 in the New Jersey primary and supported Trump in 2016 and 2020.

    386. Bitterlaw says:

      Cash Cow – Please ask Walt to post more often. We need his ancient wisdom during these troubled times.

    387. jason says:

      Bernie Sanders just urged progressives to tank the Biden infrastructure bill if Pelosi brings it up for a vote in 2 days”

      I support Bernie.

    388. Cash Cow TM says:

      Bitter,

      I will ask Walt to post more often.

    389. Bitterlaw says:

      I want to see a Sanders-Pelosi-AOC cage match. I think Bernie would win.

    390. Wes says:

      Bitter, you told those of us who
      quit watching football because of the flagrant politicking, we were “giving the players exactly what they want” because somehow we were bringing attention to them by not watching.

      I hate to say it, but only an actual supporter of woke culture would use such tortuous logic to reach that conclusion.

    391. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes – I completely disagree with your statement. If people had ignored Kaepernick the whole thing would have died quickly. I said repeatedly I disagreed with all of the player protests and hoped ignoring them would make the protests end. We disagree.

      A supporter of woke culture would not have voted only Republican for 35 years and supported Trump in 2016 and 2020.

    392. walt duke says:

      Bitter,

      The people in the U.S. have lost their friggin’ minds.

      ###############################################

      –No critical thinking skills [example: the same people who think that the health care workers, grocery store clerks, truck drivers, etc. during 2020-2021 who worked UNVACCINATED were heroes (IMO they were), and many in that same segment of the public today are OK with those same health care and other workers being fired from their essential jobs for refusing to get/not getting the COVID vaccine.]

      –Cannot connect the dots between events.

      –Driven by emotions [Example: “to be compassionate and moral people, we must have open borders and let any and all people who want to come to the U.S. in–no question!”]

      –Driven by things that are not facts and jump to, and believe, wrong conclusions based on false ‘facts’ [Example: “The mounted U.S. border patrol people beat the Hattians with whips”].

      –Willing to put up with unmitigated bull crap and hypocrisy by their elected officials, social media and MSM grand poohbahs.

      –Thinking that anyone who has a hit song, or a hit movie or is an accomplished person in some sport is automatically an “expert” on national and international relations and government policy.

      –think only in short term.

      –Would rather get a tattoo, body piercing or abortion than get a COVID vaccine shot.
      _______________________________________________

      –Even at HHR, formerly sensible people think it is cute to gleefully argue and go to war for months in unwarranted personal attacks on other posters over made up, manufactured, minutia and THEIR skewed interpretation of what THEY think someone else meant when they typed something…, or just outright make up some unfounded, bat sheet crazy charge against another poster and keep repeating it, repeating, it repeating it…

      It is mainly for that reason that I choose not to post here more often and choose to rely on Cash Cow keeping me up to date on things HHR.

      Plus I have many chores to do.

    393. Bitterlaw says:

      Walt – You are wise indeed. Please give my best to Mrs. Walt. I am curious about why you have so many chores. Shouldn’t you have learned to be more efficient over the last 4.5 billion years?

    394. Bitterlaw says:

      CD

      HHR posters, except for the socialist CRT-supporting union rep, probably agree on 95% of issues but what’s the fun in that? So we fight.

    395. jason says:

      I hate to say it, but only an actual supporter of woke culture would use such tortuous logic to reach that conclusion.”

      I hate to agree with wes.

    396. jason says:

      If people had ignored Kaepernick the whole thing would have died quickly.’

      BS. What a crock.

      People like you gave Kaepernick notoriety.

      People like you support the woke NFL, and they know they have enough Bitters that accept woke sports

      Don’t blame those who don’t want to support woke sports for “calling attention to it”, convoluted logic.

      You support woke sports. Own it.

    397. Bitterlaw says:

      Then ignore 35 years of my voting history, 17 years of my posts at HHR, campaigns for Federal and local offices on conservative positions and public statements. That is what you have to do to perpetuate the false conclusions about me.

    398. Bitterlaw says:

      Zzzzzzzzzzzz. YOU gave Kaepernick notoriety. I ignored him after I made it clear that I disagreed with his anti-police, anti-military, and anti-American BS.

    399. jason says:

      disagreed with all of the player protests and hoped ignoring them would make the protests end.”

      Bitter “ignores protests” by watching them.

      You can’t make this sh-t up.

    400. jason says:

      That is what you have to do to perpetuate the false conclusions about me.”

      Zzzzzz… my conclusions about you are based on hundreds of posts here.

    401. jason says:

      YOU gave Kaepernick notoriety.”

      Heh, by refusing to watch him kneel and disrespect the flag and the anthem while you lapped it all up like a fly on a horse turd?

      GFY.

    402. jason says:

      Bitter has watched so many lectures about race relations by woke millionaire players, coaches, owners and MSM talking heads that he now believes people who reject woke sports are the ones responsible for it.

      I guess brainwashing works.

    403. Bitterlaw says:

      Hundreds of posts that you and the vipers twist to fit the caricature of me you created.

      What made you into such a douche? We were fine with each other for about 14-15 years. Then you needed to redefine me to fight with me. Others have noted the change in you. GFY

    404. walt duke says:

      Bitter,

      Here is an example of my ever expanding chores.

      Mrs. Walt spoke with a neighbor who rented a big walk behind lawn aerator machine. They offered it to various neighbors to use since they had rented it for several days. Mrs. Walt wanted me to borrow it and do part of our lawn.
      I borrowed it, took one pass, then it stopped and failed to start.

      I called up many “How To” videos to watch about my problem. No help. Then I got down on the ground to began examining the big machine. Found out that some of the big hole punching tines had hit and seriously bent the flywheel of the drive belt.

      Spend lot of time taking the friggin thing apart and then carefully used tools to bend the seriously mis-shappen flywheel back to its original position. Then discovered that the flywheel was loose and kept sliding in and out on the metal shaft–thus putting in on a collision course with the rotating aerating tines. Found that the wheel was attached with a nut you had to use a certain sized Allen wrench on in order to tighten it. Go back to garage to find more tools.

      After I fixed it, I then put it all back together, did the aeration of the lawn and then got the machine back to the neighbor. Even when put together properly, some of the tines on the one wheel only missed hitting the belt flywheel by 1/8 of an inch…

      So some of my chores are new ones…

    405. Bitterlaw says:

      More lies. I don’t watch pre or post game shows. When are these lectures that I don’t watch delivered?

    406. jason says:

      Btw, who won the game last night?

      I assume the Eagles lost since you didn’t give us any reports.

    407. walt duke says:

      Bitter is correct.

      jason has gone out of his way to go off the rails in constantly attacking and trying to vilify Bitter and falsely claim Bitter in something he is not.

      It is puzzling to watch…
      Will say no more about it.

      Peace. Out.
      Talk to the Cow.

    408. Bitterlaw says:

      Not taking the bait. If you want to talk about sports, drop the accusations of me being woke.

    409. jason says:

      What made you into such a douche? We were fine with each other for about 14-15 years.”

      Look in the mirror.

      When you mock someone who refuses to support woke sports and accuse them of causing woke sports you have really reached the bottom of the barrel of falsehoods.

      The world changed. You failed to understand how much. You want to run interference for the MSM and for woke culture. You think you have seen all this before and the next election will fix it. What you consider normal is not what I consider normal.

      You insult those who see the dangers of woke and cancel culture by calling them “doomsday” proponents.

      You made your bed. Now lie in it.

    410. jason says:

      Walt, if you don’t like it here anymore feel free to stay away and work on your chores.

      And you don’t get to decide what arguments we should have here.

      Go take a flying leap into some of Cow’s manure pile.

    411. Bitterlaw says:

      I NEVER said the next election will fix anything. So stop associating me with that. I said that woke and cancel culture pose great dangers to the country. You spend a lot of time in the archives. You will find those posts.

    412. jason says:

      If you want to talk about sports, drop the accusations of me being woke.”

      Translation: the Eagles lost.

    413. Bitterlaw says:

      Going after Walt, one of the most decent and respected posters ever at HHR? Jason is unhinged.

    414. jason says:

      I NEVER said the next election will fix anything.”

      zzzzzzzz….

      You have consistently tried to minimize woke culture and everything going on by saying you have seen it before and that then Rs won elections.

      So yes, I will certainly “associate” you with that.

    415. jason says:

      Going after Walt,”

      LOL

      He attacked me.

      No free lunch. But you might notice I didn’t tell him to GFH, just dive into some cow pies.

    416. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason is like an addict. He wants to discuss sports but needs me to start the conversation so he can blame me for starting it. No deal.

    417. Bitterlaw says:

      420 So Jason admits I never said the next election will fix anything. The best he can do is “associate” me with something I did not actually say.

    418. jason says:

      Btw, we had a truce on woke culture and the Never Trump BS.

      You chose to repeatedly violate it, so I guess you want to keep reading my opinion on how you support woke culture.

    419. jason says:

      So Jason admits I never said the next election will fix anything”

      Your point was you think elections always fix everything sooner or later.

      So it is a fair statement.

    420. jason says:

      I don’t want to discuss sports with you.

      The only thing you got right was that it was bait.

    421. jason says:

      YOU gave Kaepernick notoriety’

      I am still waiting for an explanation on how opposing woke sports and refusing to watch the woke and corrupt NFL gave Kaepernick notoriety as opposed to someone who continued watching him.

    422. Bitterlaw says:

      You broke the truce by agreeing with Tgca’s garbage. You broke the truce by directing comments at me when the NFL season started. I don’t run the league.

      If you want to resume the truce I won’t mention Never Trump if you drop the woke bs. Don’t worry. Tgca will keep it going.

    423. Bitterlaw says:

      If people had just said “Kaepernick is an a-hole” it would have ended immediately. Instead, people had to discuss him on multiple platforms like radio, TV, Twitter, etc. He was like a spoiled petulant child who craved attention. He got it and it kept the protests going. You disagree.

    424. jason says:

      You disagree.”

      Yes, any sane person would agree those that made excuses for him and kept watching him are the ones that gave him notoriety.

    425. jason says:

      If you want to resume the truce I won’t mention Never Trump if you drop the woke bs. Don’t worry. Tgca will keep it going.”

      Ok. But I am sure you will violate it again.

    426. jason says:

      You broke the truce by directing comments at me when the NFL season started.”

      Btw, that is funny since I didn’t even know the season had started until the 2nd week.

    427. Wes says:

      Explain how I gave Kaepernick notoriety by not watching the NFL, Bitter. Giving people notoriety and attention requires some level of focus on their actions. I didn’t quit watching football as soon as Kaepernick started his antics. I stopped when the idiocy began mushrooming. I withdrew from the situation entirely by finding something else to do during the games.

      You claim on the one hand I’m giving him notoriety by refusing to watch. On the other hand, you’re claiming I’m both giving the woke players what they want and virtue signaling about not watching the product.

      This portmanteau logic you created to try to shame people for refusing to let the NFL turn the games into a liberal social science lecture hall really doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.

    428. Bitterlaw says:

      Simple, Wes. You made sure everybody knew why you stopped watching. That is like anti-virtue signal signaling.

      Still trying to understand how I made excuses for Kaepernick by saying he was anti-police, anti-military and anti-American. I also did not support any team signing him. More twisting of terms at HHR.

    429. Bitterlaw says:

      I am sure Tgclown is almost finished with his project. He can have the next 20 posts to go after murder victims and their families, vaccines, restaurant owners, and any poster not named Jason or lisab.

    430. Cash Cow TM says:

      AFTER EXTENSIVE RESEARCH, HERE IS WHAT COW HAS DISCOVERED:
      *********************************************
      –Eisenhower was the best president with a last name of 4 syllables.

      –It has been exactly 200 years (I think) when the U.S. existed and did NOT have a president whose last name only had one syllable. [feel free to fact check me on this one, Cow is not real good at math]

      –it took 46 years before people of the U.S. elected a president with only one syllable in their last name.

      –Trump is one of the 9 best presidents whose last name only had one syllable.

      –in three straight elections, the people elected a person president who only had one syllable in their last name. (Grant, Grant, Hayes)

      –12 presidents had last names of 3 syllables.

      –22 presidents had last names of 2 syllables.

      –We had a string of 6 straight elections where voters chose a president who had a last name of 2 syllables (Johnson, Nixon, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Reagan) and another string of 10 straight elections of presidents who had 2 syllable last names (Wilson thru Truman).

      –The last 7 persons elected president have been people whose last names had 2,1,2,1,3,1,2 syllables in their last name.

    431. Wes says:

      Bitter, by that logic, anyone who says he’s stopped watching anything is virtue signaling and giving the thing notoriety.

      You created a weak argument to try to shame people into watching the NFL.

      To be honest, you’re the one virtue signaling by pontificating about your supposed indifference to what the league is doing. You make sure everyone knows you watch but avoid the pregame and post game shows. You’re quick to declare how supposedly indifferent you are to the lectures the NFL is giving about race and gender, yet somehow I’m virtue signaling by pointing out when the subject comes up I elected to quit watching football years ago.

      Thou dost protest too much.

    432. Wes says:

      By the way, Bitter, virtue signaling is something done by people who don’t actually believe in a given action but engage in it to receive public plaudits.

      I actually did grow tired of having the NFL lecture me and decided to take action because of my discontent.

      You, however, accuse those of us who’ve moved on from watching the NFL of virtue signaling while at the same time bragging about your indifference to the woke lecturing.

      Hm.

    433. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Politico, which once claimed the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian disinformation, has changed it’s tune.

      “A person who had independent access to Hunter Biden’s emails confirmed he did receive a 2015 email from a Ukrainian businessman thanking him for the chance to meet Joe Biden. The same goes for a 2017 email in which a proposed equity breakdown of a venture with Chinese energy executives includes the line, ‘10 held by H for the big guy?’” the Playbook wrote. “Emails released by a Swedish government agency also match emails in the leaked cache, and two people who corresponded with Hunter Biden confirmed emails from the cache were genuine.””

      You have to wonder if the liberals now consider Biden a political liability, who needs to be pressured to resign.

    434. Bitterlaw says:

      Why do people who have contempt for me want me to agree with them?

    435. Tgca says:

      Bitter

      People don’t have contempt for you. People point out your condescending hypocrisy.

      …and stop claiming everyone changed. It appears you are the one that changed and people are reacting to that, but maybe not in the nicest way. People hit back hard at you because you just bring out the worst in people with your illogical arguments, accusations, and condescension.

      You are constantly at war with someone here.

      You’re like Liz Cheney or Mitt Romney playing the victim but claiming you’re the real thing and everyone else is not authentic when you actually put yourself in these impossible situations you can’t defend and others feel obligated to call you out on albeit in the harshest of terms at times.

      Your voting record does not matter if you virtue signal and support the evil perpetuated by those that want to destroy our way of life. You find excuses for them. This is where your inner Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney comes in

      You constantly seek the approval of others and think you’re some courageous soul and seem to have an obsession with wanting to be seen as the martyr or hero or having left some worthwhile legacy in your life

      Face it, you’ve done no great heroic acts and just accept your ordinary existence like everyone else here. To me, being a good spouse and parent and friend outweighs any great deeds that will provide a glorifying legacy because history shows great legacies are often marred in conflict, deceit, and falsehoods, and that applies to anyone from Lincoln to FDR to JFK to Reagan, as examples.

    436. Bitterlaw says:

      I constantly seek approval by posting here? This pit of vipers? You have the insights of a moron and the behavior of a clown.

    437. jason says:

      I called the truce at the right time, wes is making good arguments that I would have made.

    438. jason says:

      and any poster not named Jason or lisab”

      Huh, actually Tgca probably attacks me just as much as he does you.

      Remember, most of your objections to what he says are actually for things he never said.

      And btw, he has not used my real name in years, I am sure you know Jadon is a pejorative of jason.

      You are not special.

    439. Tgca says:

      444

      Jadon

      Your real name is Jason? I’ve been mispronouncing it for years?

      OMG! Why didn’t you say anything.

    440. jason says:

      You make sure everyone knows you watch but avoid the pregame and post game shows.”

      This is a good point about the NFL.

      The content is there whether one watches it or not.

      Plus, it is not only the pregame and post game. It is also the ads and the messages.

      I have soured on the NFL as an organization, I feel like football has transitioned from the main purpose of the organization to a just vehicle for a political agenda.

      At this point, I would not watch even it I wasn’t subjected to the endless lectures and messaging on race relations and a leftist political agenda.

    441. Tgca says:

      444

      I agree with Jadon.

      We all have differences among each other and fight, debate strongly, attack or use whatever term you wish.

      The point is people come here to express their views and share thoughts among often politically like-minded people, because they can’t do that elsewhere, and sometimes it gets heated.

      That is life!

      We all have different personalities and that can lead to both alliances and conflicts at times but more often than not we agree on the bigger picture so on slow news days we wallow in the nuances which lead to these idealistic turf wars.

      People should just put on their big boy pants and deal with it as long as it’s not purposely malicious.

    442. Tgca says:

      447

      Ideological not idealistic turf wars I meant.

      Sorry! Haven’t had my soy latte yet so I’m a bit slow this AM.

    443. jason says:

      Blumenthal is my pick for most loathsome Senator.

      But even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile.

      Sen. Blumenthal on Americans stranded in Afghanistan: “We don’t have an estimate on the number, because nobody is in charge right now.”

    444. jason says:

      I am on my second half and half latte.

    445. jason says:

      OMG! Why didn’t you say anything”

      Everyone knows I suffer in silence.

    446. Tgca says:

      We should all do the Myers Brigg personality assessment sometime to show where we fit.

      …or the personality types is another one that is more fun then always determinative.

      https://wasa-oly.org/WASA/images/WASA/Academies/ECSA/2018-19%20Resources/Session%201/Personality%20types.pdf

    447. Tgca says:

      450

      Who knew the yokels out in the boonies had access to lattes.

    448. jason says:

      They were introduced in November, 2018.

      Of course, your options are half and half, light cream or heavy cream lattes.

      Here in Amishland we don’t do “skinny”.

    449. jason says:

      LOL

      “Democrat McAuliffe says $3.5 trillion is ‘too high’ for reconciliation bill in Virginia debate”

    450. jason says:

      Evidently Sinema was invited to WH but didn’t cave.

      It is sad that we are depending on a fraud like Manchin and a liberal like Sinema to save us from disaster.

    451. Tgca says:

      This is a very compelling video by an experienced surgeon and ICU doctor on why she refuses the vax after surviving Covid and why the risks are considerable.

      I hope any medical professional fired by vaccines that DO NOT protect you from getting Covid have their day in court and these hospitals lose billions in lawsuits.

      This will weed out chitty the doctors and administrators who are NOT following the science that preach to others to follow the science.

      https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/covid-icu-doctor-quits-over-vaccine-mandate-dr-mollie-james/

    452. Wobbles says:

      This is encouraging. I think 20% border policy approval is good, because it probably means 40% in CA.

      “Voters in Texas give President Joe Biden a negative 32 – 61 percent job approval rating. This marks a 24- point net change from June 2021, when 45 percent of Texas voters approved of the job he was doing and 50 percent disapproved.

      On Biden’s handling of the response to the coronavirus, voters give him a slightly negative 44 – 49 percent approval rating. This is a substantial drop from June 2021 when they approved 58 – 37 percent.

      On Biden’s handling of the situation at the Mexican border, voters give him a negative 20 – 71 percent approval rating, which is a drop compared to a negative 29 – 64 percent rating in June 2021.

    453. jason says:

      But remember, folks, Tester is a “moderate”.

      “When asked if he backed Manchin’s desire to hit pause on reconciliation, Tester responded: “Are you crazy? Are you trying to get me shot? I’d never, ever want to be aligned with Joe Manchin. My wife would divorce me.”

    454. Tina says:

      Matthew Dowd is running for Texas Lt Governor.

    455. mnw says:

      Sheep & NYC

      RE: VA guv

      This is fyi & comes with lots of fwiw caveats:

      “GOP Jumps to Early In-Person Voting Lead, According to Model”

      The article is in the Washington Free Beacon, & the “model” was provided by the VA GOP.

      All those pinches of salt notwithstanding, the statistical analysis in the article still seems persuasive. After the first week of early in-person voting, the turnout DOES look a lot different than usual, at least to me. I’m hardly the mathamagician, though.

      I seem to post a lot about races and candidates that don’t interest me particularly, and VA guv is one of those.

      McAuliffe caught some flack recently for saying that, “Parents shouldn’t be telling schools what to teach.” I suspect he’d like to re-phrase that if he could.

    456. Cash Cow TM says:

      Today, DRUDGE has 17 COVID related stories up.

      AOL News only has 3 stories.

      My sources tell me that the MSM moguls have split deeply on what crisis to focus on.

      DRUDGE and others believe the to counteract Biden’s crash in the polls, they will again ride the COVID issue into the ground to shift public focus from the many Biden government mistakes and disasters.

      OTOH< AOL and others think they need to get off the COVID horse and instead start focusing the public's attention on other contrived crises to get the attention off Biden.

    457. mnw says:

      PS to 461:

      FOX: “Critics Erupt Over [McAuliffe’s] Statements About Parents’ Role In Education”

    458. jason says:

      He said that in the debate last night.

      “Terry McAuliffe: “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

      Not sure it is a game changer.

      Liberals believe that.

      https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/09/29/democrat-terry-mcauliffe-makes-enormous-blunder-at-virginia-governor-debate-n449571

    459. jason says:

      On the other hand, it didn’t gain him any votes either.

      People who believe that are already voting for him.

      Maybe some Indies will turn against him which could help in a close election.

    460. mnw says:

      SDC

      I meant to call 461 to your attention also.

    461. jason says:

      I agree with mnw that the early voting numbers are encouraging in VA, because they seem to represent a shift in dynamics from an election where Ds did well.

      However, this is the problem:

      https://freebeacon.com/elections/seiu-throws-weight-behind-mail-in-voting/

    462. jason says:

      “Terry McAuliffe: “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

      Translation: teachers should be able to tell students that their parents are all racist scum.

    463. mnw says:

      As a parent, I can’t think of much I would find MORE offensive than what McAuliffe said.

    464. Tgca says:

      469

      Agreed!

      I don’t want any teacher telling me how I should train my dog or them indoctrinating my fish.

      I retired early to stay home and raise my youngin’s and we’re doing quite fine on our own. Thank you very much.

      My dog hasn’t mauled any kids this year.

      Teachers should stick to their subject matter and let parents decide values for kids. If they feel children are not being raised properly, go into social work but keep your political agenda out of our schools.

    465. Tina says:

      She is toast, as a presidential candidate. Sarah palin 2.0.

      Pedro L. Gonzalez
      @emeriticus
      · 4h
      Exclusive: Sources reveal South Dakota governor and potential 2024 VP candidate Kristi Noem is having an extramarital affair with former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski. https://amgreatness.com/2021/09/28/kristi-noem-shows-why-republicans-cant-have-nice-things/

    466. Tgca says:

      Ok. Maybe this meme is a tad bit disrespectful but every time I see it on the net I laugh, and remember, laughing is good for the soul because laughter brings happiness and happiness produces endorphins and endorphins bring calm and reduce stress which lead to better health which can extend your life so you can collect more social security payments, have more sex, and eat more tofu over time.

      So the moral of the story is making fun of other people can reduce your stress and make you happy and extend your life.

      https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/kamala-hooker.jpg

    467. jason says:

      As a parent, I can’t think of much I would find MORE offensive than what McAuliffe said.”

      Unfortunately, a lot of parents don’t care what their kids are learning in school. Or who is deciding what they learn.

    468. jason says:

      But that wasn’t the stupidest thing McAuliffe said.

      Drum roll…..

      “Terry McAuliffe: “Tonight, I have the leading conservative in America here, Bill Kristol, who has endorsed my campaign for governor.”

    469. Wobbles says:

      Why is that stupid?

      I am the leading conservative here at HHR.

    470. Tgca says:

      471. Tina

      Wow! If this is true, Noem is screwed…pun intended.

      I will give this skanky slut the benefit of the doubt though until these allegations are proven true so not rushing to condemn her.

      …and what a pig Lewandowski is if this is true. Hi wife should seek a separation and take him to the bank.

    471. Phil says:

      Kristi Noem.

      Hope it ain’t true.

      Would be a helluva a way to throw your political career down the crapper.

      Really stupid.

    472. jason says:

      One of the reasons “America’s leading conservative” gives for endorsing McAuliffe is that Youngkin wants to get rid of the Virginia state income tax.

      You can’t make this sh-t up.

    473. Phil says:

      ….me and Wes were probably two of Noem’s biggest fans when she first came onto the scene in 2010.

    474. Tgca says:

      477. Phil

      Don’t rush to judgment. It may all be MSM fake news.

    475. jason says:

      Btw, did anyone know Lewandowski ran for the MA state House in 1994?

      Party Candidate Votes %
      Democratic Thomas Golden Jr. 7,157 99.9
      Republican Corey Lewandowski 7 0.1

    476. Phil says:

      Bill Kristol. American’s leading conservative.

      Actually, he shares that title with Robbie and Corey.

    477. Tgca says:

      482

      America’s leading GAY conservative.

      Let’s be accurate here.

    478. Robbie says:

      I’m glad I never jumped on the Kristi Noem bandwagon like a lot of you did just because of her looks.

      https://amgreatness.com/2021/09/28/kristi-noem-shows-why-republicans-cant-have-nice-things/

    479. jason says:

      Amoral Scumbag ignores Biden’s disaster of a Presidency to rush here with rumors about Noem but even then is late to the party.

      It must suck to be such a despicable excuse for a human being.

    480. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      September 29, 2021 at 1:27 pm
      Bill Kristol. American’s leading conservative.

      Actually, he shares that title with Robbie and Corey.

      – What bothers Phil is I stood my ground and didn’t whore myself out to Trump like he did. Maybe if more people in the Republican Party had done the same, we wouldn’t be stuck with a de facto party leader and near certain 2024 nominee who endorsed Stacy Abrams.

      Have fun continuing to support Trump’s efforts to turn Georgia and Arizona into reliably Democrat states. Have fun telling yourself Trump really cares about the party or conservative ideology with his endorsement of liberal TV anchor and Obama donor for Arizona governor.

      I can’t wait to watch you turn yourself into a pretzel over the next year as you defend each of Trump’s latest psychotic statements and then scream “but Bill Kristol” when you’re called on your continuing and unrequited support of him.

    481. jason says:

      The rumors may or may not be true, but you can bet this is a hit piece on Noem.

      “Noem has a habit of saying one thing from the saddle of a high horse and doing another”

      Objective journalism at its best.

    482. Tina says:

      Lol, more like the captain of the titantic.

      Drum roll…..

      “Terry McAuliffe: “Tonight, I have the leading conservative in America here, Bill Kristol, who has endorsed my campaign for governor.”

    483. jason says:

      stood my ground and didn’t whore myself \”

      What? LOL

      Nobody has been more of a “whore” here than Amoral Scumbag.

      He would have sold his mother and sister into sexual bondage if somehow it was bad for Trump.

      This is a guy whose paragon of virtue was Michael Avenatti.

      Sorry, Amoral Scumbag, when it comes to whoring you come in first.

    484. jason says:

      Have fun continuing to support Trump’s efforts to turn Georgia and Arizona into reliably Democrat states.”

      Whatever he does, he will never be as successful in doing that as Brian Kemp and Brad Raffesnsperger.

    485. Tgca says:

      484

      BS Robbie!

      Not everyone here was interested in her looks.

      Some were more interested in her breasts.

    486. Tgca says:

      People PLEASE!

      Can we tone down the profanity. This is a Christian family site.

    487. jason says:

      Bill Kristol endorses a radical left winger for VA Governor, but Amoral Scumbag is here to attack Trump.

      You cannot name ONE conservative principle Terry McAuliffe stands for. EVERY position he has is from the extreme left of his party.

      Yet Amoral Scumbag whines about Trump’s endorsement of “liberal TV anchor and Obama donor for Arizona governor”

      The hypocrisy is astounding.

    488. Wes says:

      Well, I certainly hope Kristi hasn’t been foolish enough to throw her political career away for a fling. She has three kids and a husband who’s been with her throughout her political career dating back to 2006. It would be an enormous blow to both her personal life and her political one if she foolishly cheated on her husband.

    489. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      486. Robbie you have never answered the question of what you think of Biden’s presidency. As the board’s true Republican, shouldn’t you be speaking up.

    490. Phil says:

      Yes, Robbie has “stood his ground and didn’t whore himself out”.

      He’s a real profile in courage alright. Lol

      Robbie giving a thousand to the Biden campaign and is accusing people on this site of “whoring ourselves out”.? Good Lord, Giving that kind of money to Biden is the absolute essence of whoring out. Talk about your projection.

      Oh, and giving to the Democratic Party sort of undermines his supposed concern for Arizona and Georgia turning blue. Just a little. Please stop, Robbie. You are making a complete fool out of yourself and no one here believes you are anything approaching a Republican. Drop the act.

      Ten months and not a single post from Robbie critical of his guy in the WH.

      Oh, and talking up Avenatti didn’t do a lot for your moral high ground stance.

    491. jason says:

      Ten months and not a single post from Robbie critical of his guy in the WH.”

      So far his targets have been Fauci, Trump, and me.

      Well now he posted a hit piece on Noem.

      Btw, nobody seems to have picked up the Noem story yet, not even the moonbat sites.

    492. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      496. Assume Robbie has a posting quota he must meet. So expect several fly-by posts each week. He will never stay long enough to have to answer the Biden question.

    493. Phil says:

      Nope. Robbie won’t stay long enough to engage.

      ….and that’s fine with me. Just reading his drive by posts has already been waste of time enough.

    494. Tina says:

      Pelosi on Biden’s $3.5 Trillion Tax-and-Spend Spree: “It’s Not About a Dollar Amount… the Dollar Amount, as the President Said, is Zero” (VIDEO)

    495. lisab says:

      it is not about the dollar amount

      it is about equity!

      we need food-stamp lobstah in every pot, and a welfare check in every pocket

    496. Tgca says:

      494. Wes

      The political impacts of affairs in this day and age are much more complex then years past but in a conservative state where a woman is the cheating politician, that does make the ability to bounce back much more difficult, especially if children are involved, and it may take a long time or never to redeem oneself with the public.

      Not that cheating is excusable but sometimes there are reasons where people become unfaithful and the public can be forgiving and or understanding such as a loveless marriage of convenience where the cheater is committed to a long time lover and not continuous flings. Think Prince Charles as an example.

      But if a politician is just having a tryst then that goes more to moral character than feeling trapped in a marriage of convenience.

      If as reported, Noem indulged in an affair with a married man while working together on the road, that often is deemed less forgivable.

      Women often pay a higher price for these as well. Newsom while mayor indulged in an affair with his campaign manager’s wife while the guy was working late nights to get him elected. Voters forgave that but CA is very different than SD.

    497. jason says:

      I saw somewhere, if your mortgage payment is $1500 and you borrow $1500 to pay for it, the cost of your mortgage payment is zero?

    498. jason says:

      I want to see the video of the affair before I make any judgements.

    499. jason says:

      Josh Marshall at TPM says if Dems can’t have the $ 3.5 trillion they should vote down the $ 1.2 trillion.

      Ok then.

      I fail to see the logic but hey, you don’t look gift horses in the mouth.

      (his point is that it will kill the party’s chances in 2022 because their deadenders will be discouraged – which I think is stupid, aren’t they going to be discouraged if they get nothing?).

    500. Wes says:

      Tg, if Kristi had an affair with Lewnadowski, then she deserves any repercussions she gets. I hope she wasn’t stupid enough to jeopardize her political career because of him.

      It’s not impossible for a small-state female Governor to avoid repercussions for an affair. Former Governor Mary Fallon (R-OK) noteworthily did so. What that article alleges Kristi did would likely not be something voters would be forgiving of though.

      This strikes me as a hit piece more than anything else given the wording; however, I’m going to keep an open mind about the subject until I see corroboration or refutation.

    501. NYCmike says:

      “I saw somewhere, if your mortgage payment is $1500 and you borrow $1500 to pay for it, the cost of your mortgage payment is zero?”

      -Easy peasy!

    502. NYCmike says:

      Noem is great for South Dakota.

      We do not need a person like her in D.C.

      Much too accommodating.

    503. jason says:

      “Much too accommodating”

      Translation: let’s go for all or nothing so we get nothing.

    504. lisab says:

      I saw somewhere, if your mortgage payment is $1500 and you borrow $1500 to pay for it, the cost of your mortgage payment is zero?
      ——————–

      only if you borrow the money using a school loan

    505. Phil says:

      Senate Parliamentarian rules Senate Democrats’ plan B legalizing seven million illegals through reconciliation out of order.

      This wasn’t surprising. The fact that Democrats even attempted to try and use reconciliation to push through a massive policy change like this is totally outrageous. Of course, just about everything they do these days is outrageous and extreme.

    506. Tgca says:

      506. Wes

      I agree. If she had an affair with a married man while working together on the road, that it not easily overcome with voters, especially in a more conservative state like SD.

      Now in CA it might be a plus because she could argue she was practicing her gender fluidity because clearly if you’re more than one gender, you should be able to have more than one gender relationship, riiiiiight? There are many types of genders that are components of the traditional make and female roles.

      If it is true, I feel sorry for her kids and husband who will be caught in a very public crossfire.

    507. Tgca says:

      508

      She may have been very accommodating to Lewandowski. We’ll see.

    508. jason says:

      Student tells VP Harris that “Israel is doing ethnic genocide” –
      VP replied: “your voice, your perspective, your experience”

      Normal.

    509. NYCmike says:

      “Translation: let’s go for all or nothing so we get nothing.”

      -Translation: “I. jason, supported all the RINOS for the past 20 years, now I whine and take my ball and go home now that things are really bad.”

    510. Tgca says:

      Ha!

      Looks like Don Lemon’s sexual assault civil case is going to court assuming he doesn’t do a last minute settlement.

      https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2021/09/29/nolte-sexual-assault-suit-against-cnns-don-lemon-headed-to-court/

    511. Wes says:

      You blast Jason for supporting RINOs, Mikey. How are Senators Angle and O’Donnell working out for you?

    512. Tgca says:

      This is the chit we have to deal with in Floreedah so don’t complain to me about waking up to snow in the northeast when we got alligators at our doors.

      https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/alligator-doesnt-stand-a-chance-against-florida-man/

    513. jason says:

      A real “conservative”, NYC has endeavored tirelessly to make Chuck Schumer majority leader.

      For the past 20 years, he has supported every moronic deadender running.

      But Chuck Schumer thanks him. So do Senators Angle, COD, Buck, Akin, Miller, McDaniel, Moore, Mourdock…. I am sure I forgot some of the deadenders.

    514. Tina says:

      I like enema more and more

      Frank Thorp V
      @frankthorp
      · 1h
      Q: What do you say to progressives who are frustrated they don’t know where you are?

      SINEMA: “I’m in the Senate.”

      Q: There are progressives in the Senate that are also frustrated they don’t know where your are either.

      SINEMA: “I’m clearly right in front of the elevator.”

    515. Tina says:

      Sheila Jackson Lee maintains the border is “ safe and secure.”

    516. Tina says:

      I see that the weak R leadership cannot put any pressure on firing Milllie Vanilli and the secretary of defense-less.

    517. jason says:

      Dang, Biden would have been the new LBJ if not for Sinema?

      Who knew?

      “Joy Behar told her co-hosts Wednesday on ABC’s “The View” that Sens. Kyrsten Sinema (D-AZ) and Joe Manchin (D-WV) were enemies of the democracy for opposing President Joe Biden’s 3.5 trillion dollar reconciliation bill.

      Behar said, “What I think is making Biden administration shakey right now is what’s going on in the democrats, between the moderates and the progressives, because he was really on track to be the next Lyndon Johnson with the great society programs.”

      She continued, “The Democrats have the numbers to make it happen, but Manchin and Sinema are standing in their way. They call themselves Democrats. Those will be the ruination of this nation, those two.”

    518. jason says:

      ow I whine and take my ball and go home now that things are really bad.”

      Why are things bad?

      Didn’t you replace all the RINOS with liberal Dems like you wanted?

      That didn’t work out well?

    519. Tina says:

      Ccp Biden inflation.

      AP Oddities
      @AP_Oddities
      · 3h
      Buck up: Dollar Tree, the national chain of stores that promises everything for a buck, will begin introducing items on its shelves that will exceed $1. http://apne.ws/VhwPbyh #odd

    520. Wes says:

      Joy Behar dismissed Ted Kennedy’s DUI MANSLAUGHTER of Mary Jo Kopechne as something he “supposedly” did. It’s good to know she has such high morals and perspicacious political observation.

    521. jason says:

      I mean, didn’t you send all those messages?

      The Dems got it loud and clear, that if someone only votes your interests 90% of the time, they are RINO traitors that need to be replaced with moonbats who will vote your interests 0% of the time.

    522. jason says:

      Frankly, I would have gone for the salad myself.

    523. jason says:

      Well, we have an answer.

      “These rumors are total garbage and a disgusting lie,” Noem tweeted on Wednesday afternoon. “These old, tired attacks on conservative women are based on a falsehood that we can’t achieve anything without a man’s help.”

      She added of her family, “I love Bryon. I’m proud of the God-fearing family we’ve raised together. Now I’m getting back to work.”

    524. Tina says:

      Something isn’t working right
      40% of all cases in San Diego county are from fully vaccinated people and almost 20% of all deaths.
      Justin Hart 28 min ago
      13

      https://covidreason.substack.com/p/something-isnt-working-right?r=7ikwa&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=

    525. Wes says:

      That’s pretty forceful on Kristi’s part, Jason. That’s categorical and doesn’t feel like a sleazy way of avoiding the question.

    526. Wes says:

      This is rich. Kristi “appears to deny” the allegation. She outright called it a lie. She 100% denied it:

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/gov-kristi-noem-denies-affair-with-trump-aide-corey-lewandowski-2021-9%3famp

    527. jason says:

      Yeah, it doesn’t sound like a BS denial.

      Also the fact nobody picked up on this until the denial suggests other outlets were not comfortable with the “multiple sources” alleged in the hit piece.

    528. mnw says:

      520 Tina

      Be careful not to like her TOO much.

      Psaki said this afternoon that it’s her sense that Sinema is moving toward passing the $3.5T bill this year. That the negotiations with Sinema were productive. (appx)

      Joy Behar is right that the $3.5T is Biden’s Great Society.

      The DEMS will get this passed somehow because they know it’s the Super Bowl, electoral consequences be damned– just like the Great Society was.

    529. jason says:

      Business Insider is a left wing piece of trash.

    530. Tgca says:

      532. Wes

      Agreed!

      When Clinton angrily wagged his finger at us and said he did not have sexual relations with that woman, Amerika believed him.

      For the record, he was correct. Getting a BJ and sticking cigars in places they don’t belong is not sex, at least not to most people, it’s just foreplay.

    531. jason says:

      Psaki said this afternoon that it’s her sense that Sinema is moving toward passing the $3.5T bill this year. That the negotiations with Sinema were productive.”

      What else is she going to say? “Productive” means nothing.

      I read where supposedly Sinema told Biden “for the third time” she wasn’t onboard and that she would only give “her number” AFTER the bipartisan bill passes.

      But I agree something will pass, but it won’t be 3.5 trillion.

      If I had to bet, I would say it will be something between 2 and 2.5.

      Still disastrous for the country.

    532. Wes says:

      I tend to think Corey Lewandowski or someone close to him started the rumor now. Kristi is a beautiful woman, so the idea that someone might hold lustful feelings for her isn’t exactly unbelievable.

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2021/2/28/22305905/kristi-noem-face-the-nation-interview-south-dakota-coronavirus-cpac

      Of course the whole idea of multiple anonymous sources raises the red flag on this.

    533. jason says:

      All the boondoggles except maybe free college will still pass, but they will have thresholds and caps and limitations. Possibly the corporate tax rate will raised to less than what Biden wants.

      It will be the down payment on the full nanny state.

    534. jason says:

      Psaki was trying to spin that “productive” BS.

      “During a private meeting with the president, Sinema made clear she’s still not on board with the party’s $3.5 trillion social spending plan and is hesitant to engage on some specifics until the bipartisan infrastructure package passes the House, according to a person who spoke with her.

      “This is the third time she said she has told the president, ‘I’m not there,’” the person said, quoting Sinema as telling the president: “‘I’ve been very clear with you from the start.’”

    535. jason says:

      No accounting for taste, but Lewandowski has a reputation of being a slimebag, hard to see what Noem would see in him.

    536. jason says:

      Also Sinema has made clear if the bipartisan bill fails, she will not support the reconciliation bill.

      Hard to see her backing away from that.

      At the same time, Pelosi wants to offer the moonbats a commitment from Sinema and Manchin that IF the bipartisan bill passes then Sinema and Manchin will support a pre-determined reconciliation bill.

      The problem is that Sinema, and maybe Manchin, are not inclined to give that commitment.

    537. Wes says:

      Unless Lewandowski can make a tapir jealous, Jason, I don’t see what any woman would see in him.

    538. Tgca says:

      542

      I would say the same of Newsom but I knew women … and men in San Francisco that adored him even though he had to go to AA as a sitting mayor, and he cheated with his campaign managers’s wife, which to me is the lowest and like screwing your sister-in-law. You betray the guy who works 90+ hours a week for you trying to get you elected. That is unforgivable to me.

      But he’s now gubbernor of the great state of Caleefawnyuh.

    539. jason says:

      I said maybe Manchin. Make that Manchin.

      “Seeking to placate all sides, Pelosi on Wednesday said that Thursday’s vote is still on — a message quickly hailed by her moderate wing. But she also laid out several parameters that appeared highly unlikely to be met in such a short window of time.

      First, she said the infrastructure and family packages must move “simultaneously” — the same criterion the liberals have demanded. And second, she stipulated that the legislative text of the larger package must be finalized before the House will act on either bill.

      “We come to a place where we have agreement in legislative language — not just principle, in legislative language — that the president supports,” she said. “It has to be his standard.”

      The notion of drafting a bill so quickly appeared to be out of reach on Wednesday afternoon, especially given that there’s still no agreement on even the top-line number. And the idea was quickly panned by Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), one of two centrist holdouts in the upper chamber.

      “That won’t happen,” Manchin said bluntly in response to Pelosi’s remarks

    540. jason says:

      Of course I would not be surprised if Manchin and Sinema caved in the end, the pressure must be horrific, and we know it’s not Manchin’s first rodeo when it comes to caving.

      But maybe, just maybe, they are tired of being taken for granted and won’t go along with the narrative that Schumer and Pelosi and the MSM have laid out, that yeah they are grandstanding a little but in the end we are one happy family and they will come back into the fold.

    541. jason says:

      Every time I see Manchin described as a “centrist” I almost lose my lunch.

    542. NYCmike says:

      “You blast Jason for supporting RINOs, Mikey.”

      -Incorrect, Wes-ley.

      I blast jason for supporting RINOS, whom I also supported in every general election, for 2 reasons: first, because when the milquetoast incumbents got us to this point, he just goes and quits. And secondly, because he didn’t support the Republicans whom he called “deadenders”. We saw it just this past week with Governor Lepage, and how jason would rather a Democrat be the governor of Maine instead of him.

      jason seeks division in the party if he doesn’t get his way, and then quits when the going gets a little tough.

    543. NYCmike says:

      Either way, I did like jason’s earlier mortgage advice!

    544. Phil says:

      Unless someone produces some evidence I am inclined to believe Noem’s denial. Accusations in politics don’t prove anything. They just don’t.

    545. Wes says:

      You support unelectable Deadenders in an attempt to help Schumer keep his job as Senate Majority Leader, Mikey. I gave you two examples above.

      Let’s not forget your hero, Matt Bevin, from 2014. Bevin ran a ridiculously inept primary campaign against Mitch McConnell. He lost so badly you had to jerk off about how his 25-point loss was the closest primary loss to a sitting Senator in Kentucky history. Of course had Bevin won, then Republicans would have had to shepherd resources into the race from winnable marginal races.

      Don’t pretend you don’t want Deadenders to compromise GOP Senate races. It’s been apparent for over a decade.

    546. Wes says:

      It’s of course no coincidence Schumer wants Republicans to nominate the same candidates you support in the primaries.

    547. jason says:

      first, because when the milquetoast incumbents got us to this point”

      Huh, no.

      What got us to the point where we need two Dem senators to buck their party to save us from disaster was exactly your strategy of replacing electable Republicans with liberal Democrats.

      If your man Schumer was not Majority Leader, we would wouldn’t have to worry about trillions in bondoggles, HR1, moonbat judges and anything else that wouldn’t get through a R senate.

      I am sorry that you don’t think your strategy is having the desired effects, but it was certainly successful.

    548. jason says:

      jason seeks division in the party”

      Hilarious for a guy who supported Akin, COD, Angle, Mourdock and the supporting cast of moronic deadenders.

      What a “uniter”!

    549. jason says:

      It’s of course no coincidence Schumer wants Republicans to nominate the same candidates you support in the primaries.”

      Heck, Harry Reid even supposedly funded Sharron Angle’s campaign.

      Las Vegas Sun headline on primary night:

      “Sharron Angle wins; Harry Reid gets race he wanted
      Senior senator has shaped Nevada politics to slate a race he can win”

    550. jason says:

      We saw it just this past week with Governor Lepage, and how jason would rather a Democrat be the governor of Maine instead of him.”

      No, I would rather have a R that can win, LePage was an accidental governor, he won a 5 way race by 2 points with 38% of the vote and then by 4% in a three way race against two liberals with 44%.

      So he was a 2 term governor who never got more than 44% of the vote. It won’t happen again.

      Of course, yes, I think he was a clown and a moron, but that is besides the point.

    551. jason says:

      And secondly, because he didn’t support the Republicans whom he called “deadenders”.

      Not true. I was so anxious to get rid of Harry Reid I sent Angle a check, even though I thought she was a complete idiot.

      I wanted Akin and Buck and Mourdock to win even though I viewed them as deadender morons. I even said I hoped Moore would win by one vote.

      COD? Yeah that was a bridge too far. Joe Miller also. McDaniel ditto. I have my limits.

    552. lisab says:

      how can you be an enemy of democracy if you vote no on a budget? isn’t voting part of democracy?

    553. jason says:

      Looks like Manchin has decided he has some balls after all.

      https://twitter.com/Sen_JoeManchin/status/1443330806987034628/photo/1

    554. jason says:

      Aw, shucks.

      “Progressive Caucus Chairwoman Pramila Jayapal said Manchin’s statement “has created a bunch more votes on the House floor,” against the infrastructure bill.

    555. Tgca says:

      So who’s fighting who tonight?

      It seems more relaxed and calm without Bitter today.

    556. Wes says:

      We’re just calling Mikey out on his hypocritically attacking Jason for supporting supposed “RINOs” while Mikey invariably supports candidates Schumer wants Republicans to nominate in their primaries, Tg.

    557. mnw says:

      The reason I’m skeptical that the $3.5T proposal can be stopped is, there’s no end game until the 2022 GE.

      If it all falls to pieces this week, the DEMs will just tweek it, and repackage it, and bring it back again & again for the next 13 months.

      The pressure on Sinema will only get worse if it fails this week, or next month. I’m sure she’s aware of all the talk about punishing her politically back in AZ.

      Manchin can’t be pressured like Sinema, because West Virginia.

      But anybody who thinks we can break out the champagne & sing “Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead” just because this pos fails this week– doesn’t understand the adversary.

      We better hope Manchin is a long distance runner.

    558. jason says:

      The 3.5 trillion proposal is dead, whatever they come up next will be less than that/

      But certainly something between 1.5 and 2.5 trillion is not.

    559. Bitterlaw says:

      563. GFY

    560. jason says:

      Bitter makes a strong entrance.

      We will see if he can sustain it.

    561. Bitterlaw says:

      GFY and the llama you rode in on.

    562. jason says:

      Actually I disagree with mnw, I think Manchin is easier to pressure than Sinema.

      For 2 reasons. We know Manchin has a record of folding under pressure.

      Sinema is more politically vulnerable, but has a stronger personality. She is also not up for re-election until 2024, by then this reconciliation package will be ancient history. Although more liberal than Manchin, she seems to have firm ideas on what she supports and doesn’t support, and criticism from the left or right doesn’t faze her.

      I think both of them have decided they don’t want Bernie Sanders running the Senate or the economy, and this may their way to send that message.

    563. jason says:

      GFY and the llama you rode in on.”

      So far so good but it is still early.

    564. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      @Rasmussen_Poll
      “Is the Biden administration’s immigration policy better or worse than the Trump administration’s policy? Or are the policies about the same?”

      1000 Nat LV’s weighted D38, R36, IND26

      Biden’s policy is better: 32%
      Trump’s policy better: 51%
      Are about the same: 11%
      Not Sure: 6%

    565. mnw says:

      If one reads Manchin’s full statement today, it isn’t NEARLY as good for conservatives opposed to the $3.5T as it’s being made out to be at conservative blogs.

      He said, “One thing all Democrats can agree on is the need to gut Trump’s 2017 tax cuts, which were a gift to the wealthiest Americans and big corporations. If we start by doing that, I think we can get a good reconciliation bill passed before the end of the year. But it takes time to do tax reform because the tax statutes are complex.” (I paraphrase, but very closely)

    566. Bitterlaw says:

      I don’t plan on starting any fights tonight. Suck it.

    567. NYCmike says:

      Amazed at how some here look down on the primary voters……if Radnor, PA Republicans are elitists, those who look down on the primary process of individual states are pretty close to that same type of elitism.

    568. Bitterlaw says:

      Not taking the bait, NYC. I support primaries. I don’t support Deadenders in primaries.

    569. Cash Cow TM says:

      I’ll post this again.

      ************************************

      “Cash Cow TM says:
      September 28, 2021 at 8:02 pm
      Some linger questions from “irregularities” in the 2020 election…

      I have STILL NOT READ OR HEARD of any logical explanation regarding the following.

      Please provide a link if Cow missed something that logically explained these things:

      1. The video in GA where the vote counters pulled out wheeled suitcases of ballots (tens of thousands of ballots) and then ran then through the machines (multiple times?)–during the time when vote counting was suspended and all poll watchers were sent away due to the big flooding problem (actually small toilet leak, and actually far away from counting area) in the arena counting area–so they counted them without any poll watchers present.

      2. The video of the live shot of MSM TV stations on election night in either WI or MI showing the actually vote totals of Trump and Biden where suddenly Trump LOST thousands of state total votes.

      3. Any disputation by fact of the factual charges in NV of thousands of voters in NV who also were registered to vote in CA.

      4. Any disputation and blowing out of the water the claims of thousands of votes being cast in Maricopa county, AZ by people who were not registered there, sent in a mail in vote despite the fact there is no record of them being mailed one, or mailed the mail in ballot back before the date the ballot was mailed out to them; or of the many thousands of registered voters (and ballot casters) who all has the same home phone number listed on the state SOS database.

      5. What actually happened to that mail truck carrying ballots that disappeared in PA.

      These are for starters.

    570. jason says:

      Not taking the bait, NYC. I support primaries. I don’t support Deadenders in primaries.”

      Dang, Bitter still going strong.

    571. jason says:

      Cow, you won’t get any “disputation” on any of that.

      You are just supposed to accept it was the “cleanest election in History”.

    572. jason says:

      “Elitism”

      Translation: refusing to support deadenders and opposing the election of far left Democrats to the Senate.

      Chuck Schumer certainly opposes this type of “elitism”. He wants to build his majority.

      Once again, he wants to thank NYC for his efforts toward that goal.

    573. Wes says:

      Bitter,if the strawmen sue Mikey for abuse, can you represent them?

      He loves to pull them out and beat them by accusing anyone who calls him out for supporting his precious Deadenders of opposing primaries despite our repeated indications of support for primaries.

    574. NYCmike says:

      “Not taking the bait, NYC. I support primaries. I don’t support Deadenders in primaries.”

      -The issue is support for the supposed “deadenders” by the RINO voters in the general election…..that is where jason/Robbie-types quit and go home because their preferred candidate didn’t win the primary.

    575. NYCmike says:

      Wes keeps speaking, and the same crap keeps coming out.

      I vote in the Republican primary, then vote/support the Republican in the general, as more often than not, they are the better candidate………see state of Maine as an example.

    576. jason says:

      If one reads Manchin’s full statement today, it isn’t NEARLY as good for conservatives opposed to the $3.5T as it’s being made out to be at conservative blogs.”

      Sure it is. We all know Manchin opposed the tax cuts, he made an impassioned speech against them before the vote.

      You take what you can get. If Manchin and Sinema were on board, we would be spending not only another $5 trillion but much more in other boondoggles.

      This statement from Manchin is a gift. In my view it is a lot BETTER than conservative blogs are making it out to be.

      The Dems have the power to end the filibuster. To pass HR1. To pack SCOTUS. To open borders and pass full amnesty.

      We are lucky they are not united in doing that.

    577. jason says:

      vote in the Republican primary, then vote/support the Republican in the general,”

      BS.

      You support deadenders, and if we are unfortunate enough to have one win, you support the losing deadender in the general.

      Chuck Schumer says thanks.

    578. Wes says:

      There are no electable Republicans in your state, Mikey, because of the nature of its politics, so you’re beating yet another strawman.

    579. jason says:

      .that is where jason/Robbie-types”

      Ok Bitter, cough them points up.

    580. Wes says:

      Fortunately here in NC, Republicans don’t nominate Mikey-backed candidates. If they did, Burr and Tillis wouldn’t be in the Senate, but Ross and Cunningham would.

      Mikey would be pleased with that outcome.

    581. jason says:

      I don’t support deadenders in the primary. In the GE I will bite the bullet and support them if at all possible. I supported a wide range of moronic deadenders like Buck, Akin, Mourdock, Angle, etc.

      Sometimes, such as the case of COD, Joe Miller, or
      McDaniel that would not be possible.

    582. jason says:

      Fortunately here in NC, Republicans don’t nominate Mikey-backed candidates.”

      You are lucky you don’t have that many Mikeys.

    583. Bitterlaw says:

      I always vote for the winner of the Republican primary in the General Election. I have voted for some pretty weak Republicans. However, every one of them was better than their Democratic opponent.

    584. Wes says:

      I must be honest. Had I lived in Indiana in 2012, I would have had no choice but to vote for Donnelly over Mourdock. When Mourdock literally used his religious beliefs as an excuse to justify rape, I was done with him. That’s just too much to ask. Thankfully Braun avoided that level of sleaziness and idiocy.

    585. Bitterlaw says:

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10043449/Joe-Biden-makes-surprise-visit-Congressional-Baseball-Game.html

      Biden cheered by Dems and booed by the rest at game. Republicans beat Democrats 13-12.

    586. jason says:

      I wouldn’t have voted for COD, Joe Miller or McDaniel.

      I would have voted for Mourdock the flaming idiot but it would have been difficult.

    587. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Here are some new poll numbers for Mr. Wissing to post. The race for AZ Senate next year will be competitive. Incumbent Democrat Senator, Mr. Gabby Giffords, is in the mid-40’s with the GOP candidates not far behind.

      https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/574618-kelly-leads-in-all-potential-head-to-heads-of-arizona-senate-race-poll

    588. jason says:

      Helpful…

      “A prominent player in the Virginia Democratic Party is calling on lawmakers to defund the police and divert taxpayer funding to pay for abortions.

      Virginia’s NARAL chapter embraced the defund the police movement on Tuesday. The group urged lawmakers to cut off law enforcement and redirect “taxes to go towards helping our communities instead of harming them.”

    589. jason says:

      Ok, I think Biden needs to resign. This was the last straw.

      https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/29/economy/bacon-prices-skyrocketing-pork/index.html

    590. jason says:

      You lazy bastards need to wake up and smell the coffee.

    591. jason says:

      I had a double serving of slab bacon this morning (a serving is 6 slices) because of the potential future shortage and price increases.

    592. jason says:

      Well it is a slow morning, but we do have a message from Chuck Schumer thanking NYC for his strong defense of deadender candidates last night.

      In his own words “NYC, we couldn’t have done it without people like you”.

    593. jason says:

      They are getting a little desperate over at DKos.

      “Biden and Schumer should just bribe her, legal or not. Tell her there’s an enormous pile of cash to be delivered in January 2025 when she’s out of office. Our nation is worth the prison term.”

    594. jason says:

      Alas, that train left the station.

      Manchin said. “I just don’t want our society to move to an entitlement society.”

    595. Tgca says:

      596

      …and VA NARAL can whine and complain once police are defunded and abusive men beat the chit out of their women who then call a peace officer hotline which sends over some middle-aged overweight female peace officer who will accomplish nothing with her unenforceable warnings to the abusive male who will throw the peace officer to the ground and then lay another beating on the female for calling peace officers.

      This will certainly advance women rights and provide them protection and security needed against abusive men who have nothing to fear from woke peace officers by diverting police funds to ABORTION.

      Great idea NARAL!!!

    596. Tgca says:

      602

      Well, here’s hoping reasonable minds can derail that train.

    597. jason says:

      Manchin must be pissed off at somebody. The Hyde Amendment was stripped from the reconciliation bill. Dem heads will explode if Manchin puts it back in.

      Manchin: Yeah, we’re not taking the Hyde amendment off. Hyde’s going to be on.

      National Review: In the new Medicaid program?

      Manchin: It has to be. It has to be. That’s dead on arrival if that’s gone.

    598. Tgca says:

      Please tell us something we did not already know.

      Report: Trans Athletes Retain Physiological Advantages over Women</B!

      Think about it people. Suppressing testosterone does not reduce the heart, skeletal, or muscle size in men to that of a typical woman’s level after previous male development.

      Also, any experienced weight lifter can tell you that muscles have memory. One can stop weight lifting for years and go back and significantly increase their strength and tone faster than when they 1st lifted years before. It’s similar to riding a bike, a lot of it comes back quickly even if you’re not bulging with muscles, as strength and endurance go beyond muscle size alone.

      https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/09/30/report-trans-athletes-retain-physiological-advantages-over-women/

    599. Tgca says:

      606

      Ok. Not screaming at you unless it’s all in bold capitals. HTML coding error.

      My apologies critters.

    600. Tgca says:

      Where is NARAL on trans people taking away long fought benefits of women.

    601. Phil says:

      42/56

      Not great especially since a particularly horrid sample rolled off today.

    602. Tgca says:

      Further evidence of Big Tech trying to take over the world as we see in B-rated sci-fi movies.

      The more they control the communication to the masses, the better they can control them and push them towards acceptance of the Bog Tech agendas.

      Within 20 years of indoctrinating today’s and tomorrow’s yoots, Big Tech may control everything including gubbermint.

      This is how the dictators of 3rd world countries keep their people in the dark. Control the information flow and indoctrinate them and then use brute force to enforce their will.

      https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/managing-harmful-vaccine-content-youtube/

    603. jason says:

      Worried, huh?

      But don’t worry, VBM will probably save you.

      “Of all the targeted House Democrats who are also members of the Progressive Caucus, Cartwright appears to be the most vulnerable. His northeastern Pennsylvania district is the second most Republican-leaning one held by a Democrat, according to the Cook Partisan Voting Index. Cartwright won it last year with 51.8% of the vote, ahead of Republican challenger Jim Bognet’s 48.2%.

      Cartwright has been a vocal advocate of the bipartisan infrastructure bill, calling it “a big shot in the arm for PA” on Twitter – a signal he’s not backing the Progressive Caucus’s efforts to vote it down without an agreement on the reconciliation bill.

      “It’ll create thousands of good paying jobs across our commonwealth, and the money for roads & bridges alone will grow our economy by $3.5 billion/year,” he tweeted Tuesday. “Let’s get this done.”

    604. Tgca says:

      No worries. We got this covered.

      No need for police. Just call the police officers and they will apprehend these guys…and give them a verbal warning.

      https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2021/09/29/missouri-men-face-trial-allegedly-locking-missing-woman-cage/

    605. Tina says:

      Where is the R leadership?

      John Cardillo
      @johncardillo
      ·
      29m
      ICYMI: According to Gen. McKenzie, Biden rejected a Taliban offer for the US to handle security in Kabul until all American troops and civilians were out.

      You saw the end result.

      Biden is far and away the most incompetent failed POTUS in US history.

    606. jason says:

      Where is the R leadership?”

      I thought the Rs asked some good questions at the hearings, this all came out as a result.

      What is the R leadership supposed to do exactly?

    607. jason says:

      The generals threw Biden under the bus. It is obvious he didn’t take their advice.

      But Biden denies it. Psaki denies it. The MSM runs interference.

      Maybe Rs can run some good ads on it. But not sure what the “R leadership” can do about it beyond disclosing the facts to the American people through alternative media.

    608. jason says:

      The US should have set an “exclusion zone” around Kabul, including Bagram and the airport. Any Taliban found inside the exclusion zone would be bombed/attacked using air power/drones.

      Then they could have proceeded to an orderly evacuation using both Bagram and Kabul airfields. It sounds like even the Taliban would have accepted this.

    609. Tgca says:

      Ok. Sex sells!…or at least the possibility for it does.

      Lewandowski now fired from Trump PAC over allegations of unwanted sexual advances whatever that means because we’re not sure what he did or said that rises to the level of an unwanted sexual advance.

      His lawyers did the Kristi Noem play by basically refuting it and saying they won’t dignify a defense to it.

      So why should we believe Lewandowski any more or less than Noem is my view. Who knows what the truth is without actual more evidence.

      I’ve seen people over the years misread comments and actions, thinking they were conveying a sexual interest. Many women think a guy simply talking to them means they’re trying to pick them up. Some people can be very delusional.

      Case in point. Many years ago I was being my usual goofy obnoxious cuddly lovable friendly self in a bar and this male couple thought I was interested, and after about an hour of chatting, they asked if I wanted to leave and spend the night with them. I soundly rejected them, and one guy was so horrified he misread the cues he kept apologizing to me. They seemed like nice guys and were an attractive couple but I never saw them again and they did not offer me their number after the rejection.

      So I believe sometimes people misread situations. I actually had a similar experience with a guy and his girlfriend I met in a bar years ago too but that’s another story for my memoirs which will greatly outsell Bitter’s novel.

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-pac-severs-ties-with-lewandowski-amid-sexual-misconduct-allegations

    610. Tgca says:

      It will be interesting to see how the MSM covers both the Noem and Lewandowski rumors over the next week and see if they get traction.

      I’m thinking at least Lewandowski will get punked for accusations by default because he’s a guy.

      By the way, years ago a very pretty married co-worker who absolutely had no interest in a gay stud like me touched my chest and complimented me on my weightlifting results. I know this was nothing more than an innocent gesture with no underlying sexual connotations so I never thought anything of it. I guess I could have complained she was invading my space.

      I remember thinking later on that imagine if a guy touched a woman’s chest and commented similarly in an innocent gesture how that would go over.

    611. jason says:

      The MSM would love to skewer Noem.

      The fact they seem to be staying away from it probably means it was a bogus story from the start.

    612. Tgca says:

      Jadon’s voice is much different than I imagined…and clearly singing is not his game.

      https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/dude-on-horseback-does-some-trolling/

    613. mnw says:

      Politico has posted a copy of an agreement Manchin & Schumer both signed on July 28, 2021, in which Manchin AGREES TO SUPPORT a Reconciliation bill with a price tag of $1.5T.

      Obviously that would be in addition to the bipartisan $1T+ spending bill the Senate already passed.

      But see 584 above! Don’t concern yourselves, Manchin’s statement yesterday was “a GIFT”– even BETTER than optimistic conservatives could’ve wanted!

    614. jason says:

      But see 584 above! Don’t concern yourselves, Manchin’s statement yesterday was “a GIFT”– even BETTER than optimistic conservatives could’ve wanted!”

      Zzzzzz…what a load of crap.

      mnw was wrong again and now pretends he was not.

      I nailed this yesterday.

      jason says:
      September 29, 2021 at 8:40 pm

      The 3.5 trillion proposal is dead, whatever they come up next will be less than that.

      But certainly something between 1.5 and 2.5 trillion is not.

      BINGO!

      I also said Manchin would cave before Sinema, contrary to what mnw said.

      “Of course I would not be surprised if Manchin and Sinema caved in the end, the pressure must be horrific, and we know it’s not Manchin’s first rodeo when it comes to caving.”

      BINGO

      jason says:
      September 29, 2021 at 5:30 pm

      …But I agree something will pass, but it won’t be 3.5 trillion.

      If I had to bet, I would say it will be something between 2 and 2.5.

      Still disastrous for the country.”

    615. jason says:

      Of course mnw is a moron, so he must think $1.5 trillion is worse than $3.5 trillion.

      Maybe he graduated from Kommie Kory’s institute for advanced mathematics.

    616. mnw says:

      Maybe the written promise Manchin signed to support a $1.5T Reconciliation bill is a forgery?

      Anyway his statement yesterday was GREAT news! See 584.

    617. Bitterlaw says:

      I think Cory the Canadian’s last post at HHR was a rant directed at me for my vote supporting Trump in 2016. It was a special honor to play a part in his exit.

    618. mnw says:

      Schumer commented today about the document he & Manchin signed in July: “I did not agree to any of the conditions which Sen. Manchin outlined, and Sen. Manchin did not rule out voting for a final Reconciliation bill in excess of $1.5T.”

      So $1.5T is the LEAST Manchin has committed to vote for, and by no means the most– it’s just a starting point.

    619. Tina says:

      The Bias
      @thebias_news
      · 12m
      BREAKING: Special Counsel John Durham has issued a new set of subpoenas, including to a law firm with close ties to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign (CNN).

    620. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Biden Job Approval
      Among adults:
      Approve 40%
      Disapprove 49%

      Among RV:
      Approve 43%
      Disapprove 51%

      @YouGovAmerica
      /@TheEconomist
      9/26-28

    621. Tgca says:

      Ok. If the details of this story are correct, Noem has a lot of explaining to do and can’t just start playing the “don’t attack the family’s of politicians” or say “it’s political”, as politicians of both sides usually do when their family members cause problems for them or a double standard in their favor is applied.

      This smacks of political corruption!

      A woman, Bren, who ran the SD department of real estate appraisal licensing for 30 years denied Noem’s daughter’ application in July 2020 because of experience requirements not meeting national standards, which is not unusual for professional licensing that often can be addressed by completing additional requirements to get certified. Noem’s daughter and her work supervisor complained this was bureaucracy inefficiency.

      Immediately, after the denial letter was sent in late July, Bren received a text to be at the gubbernor’s office the next day, and that meeting included her supervisor, the state labor secretary, Noem, ND general counsel, Noem’s chief of staff, a lawyer from the labor department, and her daughter as well to discuss what the certification procedures are for real estate appraisals.

      This sounds like pressure by Noem because her daughter’s application was denied. If this is true, this is corruption and Noem should be investigated for political corruption and pay for play basically.

      The application denial was subsequently reversed 4 months later and Bren was told to retire the day after the reversal. Bren was told to do a voluntary retirement and not to tell folks she was asked to retire so she filed an age discrimination claim which the state settled for $200K a couple months later which seems awfully fast too.

      Noem’s office basically explained this away as the gubbernor getting involved to address bureaucracy issues that could hurt the states economic growth and blaming AP for leftist politics out to get the gubbernor when this was really nothing than a labor dispute by an employee. If that is the case, why all the head honchos and her daughter in a meeting?

      AP had gotten emails of the event timelines up to the settlement but after the settlement which required no disparaging or further sharing of info by parties, AP was shut out for further info.

      Sorry! Something sounds very fishy here.

      Quoted legal and ethics lawyers, including GOP appointees, agree something seems “Rotten in Denmark” here and the gubbernor should never had attended or involved her daughter in official state discussions.

      We’ll see where this goes folks but the more I see of Noem, the more I question this image she has built for herself and question her judgment. This sounds like something Biden would do.

      https://apnews.com/article/business-discrimination-kristi-noem-south-dakota-age-discrimination-7942a78d5545205dff41a696ef9fc251

    622. Jeff G. says:

      Any reduction in the final reconciliation amount will be the result of pure budget gimickry, i.e., paying for 3-4 years of programs with 10 years of projected tax revenue.

      As it is, the $3.5T package only includes spending on four years of the expanded tax credit and 5-7 years of the other programs, all “paid for” with 10 years of tax revenue.

      The numbers include the assumption the child tax credit reverts to $1,000/child after 2025 and all middle class tax brackets revert to their higher levels prior to the Trump tax cuts.

      Any “compromise” is pure smoke and mirrors. The substance won’t be any different. Welcome to socialism, comrades, and the end of freedom.

    623. jason says:

      So $1.5T is the LEAST Manchin has committed to vote for, and by no means the most– it’s just a starting point.”

      Very possible. That is why I stated.

      “The 3.5 trillion proposal is dead, whatever they come up next will be less than that.

      But certainly something between 1.5 and 2.5 trillion is not.”

      GFY.

    624. jason says:

      I think Cory the Canadian’s last post at HHR was a rant directed at me for my vote supporting Trump in 2016. It was a special honor to play a part in his exit.”

      Sorry, his last post was on election night, about 9PM:

      “Nervous”

      But you still get credit for the rant.

    625. Wes says:

      You do realize Mnw is being sarcastic, don’t you, Jason?

      I would have thought the hyperbolic language would have tipped you off.

    626. jason says:

      “The substance won’t be any different. Welcome to socialism, comrades, and the end of freedom.”

      I agree the end result is the same as far as socialism is concerned. That will happen with or without “infrastructure” spending.

      In reality, if you told the Dems last year they would get at least $2.7 trillion (the bipartisan bill plus reconciliation of at least $1.5 trillion) they would have thought they had died and gone to heaven.

      But they have decided to go for broke and adopt Bernie Sander’s numbers as their baseline. Manchin is at least putting on the brakes on that.

      And there is a silver lining to it. The base will be disappointed and the civil war among the Dems will continue, and the Dem deadenders might do some damage to the party like the R deadenders have done to the R party.

    627. jason says:

      I realize mnw is an idiot. I must have missed the sarcastic part.

    628. Wes says:

      Read 621 again, Jason. Do you not think that ! at the end is trying to tell you something?

    629. Wes says:

      Actually, Bitter, CCCP’ last post was–and I quote–“Nervous” when it became clear Hillary wasn’t going to walk all over Trump and might in fact lost shortly after GF blasted him as an arsehole.

    630. Bitterlaw says:

      I was wrong. GFY. He should have ended with the rant. “Nervous” gets a negative score on the Maxwell Scale.

    631. mnw says:

      If you accept 630 as absolutely correct, which I do, then there is no practical difference between a reconciliation bill scored as $3.5T & one scored as $1.5T.

      NONE of it will be funded with actual money, & nobody knows what effect it will have on the deficit. Only that it will be horrific.

    632. Gordon Allen says:

      Does the reconciliation process obviate the need for CBO ” scoring?. Has the proposed 3.5 Trillion been ” scored” yet? If so I missed that.

    633. lisab says:

      BREAKING: Special Counsel John Durham has issued a new set of subpoenas, including to a law firm with close ties to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign (CNN).
      /———————————

      i pick john durham in the death pool

    634. Tgca says:

      You people are soooo stoopid!

      No need to worry over these budget issues. If the gubbermint needs more money all it has to do is print it or issue more debt.

      See! Problem solved.

      AOC studied economics in college before being a barmaid so she understands how these things work and that we need to get more money into people’s hands so they can buy things.

    635. Wes says:

      Rove says Dems will definitely lose the House next year:

      https://www.foxnews.com/media/rove-democrats-will-lose-house-2022-midterms

    636. lisab says:

      the democrats have one the congressional baseball game

      14 to 13

      as two more democratic runs were found overnight

      those who said that runs found after the 9th inning are just conspiracy theorists

    637. lisab says:

      romney to join cheney and other senate leaders to compromise on $3.0 trillion compromise bill

    638. Wes says:

      I’m pretty sure parents don’t like it when liberals conflate them with terrorists.

    639. Tgca says:

      646. Wes

      I saw that earlier, as well as the story below.

      So on the day it’s reported that IG finds more evidence of FISA warrant abuse impacting civil liberties of citizens, Dems are now going to ask FBI to go after parents using terrorist laws.

      https://www.newsmax.com/politics/fbi-fisa-civil-liberties-inspector-general/2021/09/30/id/1038620/

    640. lisab says:

      tommy kirk

      the boy who killed old yellar

      found dead

    641. Tgca says:

      Ok. I’m going on record as saying I believe Noem would best serve her interest if an independent team looked at this issue where her daughter appears to have received special treatment in applying for a real estate appraisal license regardless of what the gubbernor claims.

      This article where Boem now attacks the department head as a disgruntled employee is disgusting. As I posted all the details in 629, it appears this woman was targeted after denying Noem’s daughter a license on technical grounds and immediately after that denial a meeting is called with the gubbernor, her daughter and a bunch of high level state department heads and the process is reversed a few months later and the department head is forced to retire after 30 years.

      She filed an age discrimination action complaint and it was pretty much immediately settled for $200,000 within 3 months.

      I think this smack of a cover up.

      Since when does a gubbernor, state general counsel, chief of staff, labor secretary, labor head lawyer, etc IMMEDIATELY get involved when someone disagrees with an agency license denial?

      Since when does the gubbernor invite her daughter to such a meeting with the big league?

      Since when does a settlement occur with an employee shortly after filing an age discrimination complaint that if went to court would be devastating to the gubbernors actions and possibly air the real facts?

      Sorry! I’ve been around long enough to smell a stoopid act and cover-up when I see one. This is just as bad as any other corruption claims and should be investigated.

      For Noem to play the victim, disparage the 30 year employee who was awarded an immediate settlement, blame the press, cry victim suggests she is not being forthright.

      Note Noem does not mention anything about the meeting immediately after the denial of the license or acknowledge her daughters attendance in that meeting with high ranking state officials.

      If this was strictly a disgruntled employee filing an age discrimination suit, then why all the heavy weights and her daughter at the meeting?

      https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/kristi-noem-ronald-reagan-ranch-california/2021/09/29/id/1038494/

    642. Tgca says:

      649.

      OMG! He was just a kid?

      Was it rabies?

    643. Tgca says:

      I admit I tear up every time I watch Old Yeller. Haven’t seen it in awhile but it’s very sad ending.

      I watched it with my pooch years ago when she was a Youngkin’. Unfortunately both she and Old Yeller are gone…but not forgotten.

      Every time there was barking she’d pop up and go to the TV and turn her head sideways with her ears up staring at the screen.

      Of course, I tormented her a bit and waited until she got all comfy on the couch and would rewind it again to the barking scenes just to watch her perk up again with ears at red alert staring at the TV as I laughed at her expense. I did this with Lassie movies too.

    644. lisab says:

      Was it rabies?
      ————-

      no, stepped on by a 60 foot centerfold

    645. Tgca says:

      653

      Ok. I just read up on him LisaB. I did not realize his Hollywood struggles and that he was a homo and ended up crashing due to drugs but he seemed to have gotten his life together and was humbled to work as a laborer after losing all his money, and he accepts full responsibility for all the struggles he endured.

      I was never a big fan of the 60s movies so I only remember him in a few of the famous movies of the early 60s.

      It was a tough time to be gay and alone back then but I admire that he accepted full responsibility for all the choices he made and found peace living in the countryside in his old age without any regrets.

      Good for him and RIP Tommy and say hi to Old Yeller.

    646. mnw says:

      VA Guv:

      New FOX poll. McA up on Ynk 48-44.

      Reading all the copious info FOX provides about its poll, I don’t think it looks very promising for Ynk.

      It’s an RV poll, but McA also leads among voters with high interest. To my surprise, McA is +10 among “parents.”

      Per the poll, McA’s favorables are better also.

      The poll says Biden’s JA is 50% in VA, which sounds high.

      (I realize that FOX polls have tilted DEM for several years, but this poll is about like all the others I’ve seen for this race.)

      The GE is 11/2.

    647. Tgca says:

      Had I known Tommy Kirk was gay, we could have written him a fan letter and invited him as a guest poster to discuss Chuck Connor’s penis with the rest of the crew here.

      Bummer! Missed opportunities I tell ya.

    648. mnw says:

      654 TG

      I hate to see rich people lose all their money. It offends the fundamental organizing principles of the cosmos, imo.

    649. mnw says:

      TG

      I’m telling you… I saw a screen capture of “The Sailor and the Marine,” and that was HIM. I gotta believe my lying eyes.

    650. Tgca says:

      Dr. Rand Paul humiliates HHS Secretary Baccera, a man with no medical degrees or experience on natural immunity and Covid and refutes his agency’s policy with scientific evidence and recent studies showing that natural immunity is just as good or outperforms vax immunity.

      I believe if this short video was presented to the American people, then people would understand the sham of the vax needed by everyone.

      Excellent piece to watch. All Americans should see this, especially when he gives examples where CDC policy is no measle or smallpox vax needed if you have natural immunity.

      https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/rand-paul-drops-the-moab-on-xavier-becerra/

    651. Robbie says:

      andrew kaczynski
      @KFILE
      NEW: A video from April 2016 shows Liz Cheney’s Trump-backed primary Harriet Hageman rebuking Trump and enthusiastically endorsing Cheney for Congress. Hageman even cites her own Trump opposition in her Cheney endorsement.

      – Yet more evidence those who are the loudest about their undying support for Trump are the biggest frauds and liars.

      Maybe Hageman can get Corey Lewandowski to run her campaign.

    652. Cash Cow TM says:

      A Red State article

      “The survey of 974 registered voters, conducted Tuesday, is the latest flash point in the fight over infrastructure — and how aggressively Democrats should move on a budget reconciliation package to allow them to enact key planks of President Biden’s agenda without a single GOP vote.

      By the numbers: In suburban areas, which are crucial to Democrats’ hopes to retain the House in 2022, the poll found 64% support the pause while 36% oppose it.

      The poll revealed stark partisan differences, with Republicans supporting Manchin’s position by a 78% to 22% margin and Democrats opposing him, 48%-52%. Independents were split, backing Manchin 52% to 48%
      In rural areas, seven in 10 respondents supported Manchin.”

    653. Bitterlaw says:

      Robbie – Why won’t you comment on Biden? You can hate Trump AND Biden. Carve out your niche.

    654. Country Dick Montana says:

      Robbie:

      $1000 to Biden campaign
      $500 to ActBlue

      Won’t deny it because it is true

    655. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Wokeness has it limits, even in California:

      “SAN DIEGO — A jury unanimously recommended the death penalty Thursday in the murder trial of Jesse Michael Gomez, who was convicted in the July 2016 killing of a San Diego police officer and the shooting of his partner.”

    656. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      660. So the latest Robbie fly-by was to post about an anti-Trump comment made in the Wyoming congressional race in April 2016. Robbie a lot of us on this board were making anti-Trump comments in April 2016, no need to pull one out of the rural west.

    657. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      662. “Robbie – Why won’t you comment on Biden? You can hate Trump AND Biden. Carve out your niche.”

      This isn’t a niche issue, it’s a paycheck issue. Trolls gotta eat.

    658. jason says:

      Snifff…Amoral Scumbag didn’t even mention me as he trolled by. I am crushed.

    659. jason says:

      A lot of us didn’t like Trump in 2016. Some of us have moved on from the 2016 primaries.

      Amoral Scumbag is still looking for the real killer of Jeb’s candidacy.

    660. Tgca says:

      664

      Racist verdict! Should be overturned on appeals for convicting a Latino.

    661. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      669. The police officer murdered was Latino

    662. Tgca says:

      670

      Was the officer a white Latino?

      Was the suspect a brown Latino?

      Know your Latinos!

      Very racist!

    663. Bitterlaw says:

      I wish Corey would come back instead of Robbie. At least Corey wants to salvage our souls.

    664. Tgca says:

      Thix Theven Thwee Bishes!

      Thix Theven Thwee I thay!

    665. mnw says:

      Jury recommended the DP in CA, eh?

      Operational definition of “futile gesture.”

      Anyway, it’s the thought that counts.

    666. mnw says:

      Newt on Hannity– looks fabulous.

      Must have a portrait in his attic.

    667. Tgca says:

      Thix Theventee Thix Bishes!

      Thix Theventee Thix I thay!

    668. Tgca says:

      Thix Theventee Theven Bishes!

      Thix Theventee Theven I thay!

    669. Tgca says:

      Skank CongressCritter Tlaib loses it crying and yelling over TX law with histrionic tirade.

      She complains about how black babies are more at risk of dying and why Planned Parenthood should be funded while to help them while also advocating for murdering black babies with ABORTION. UNBELIEVABLY STOOPID!

      She then goes on to say:

      “BLM should be very much at the forefront of every policy that we ever do”

      https://twitter.com/dannydeurbina/status/1443629377510645765?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1443629377510645765%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnationalfile.com%2Fvideo-rep-rashida-tlaib-melts-down-over-texas-abortion-law-sobs-hysterically-and-screams-about-george-floyd%2F

    670. Cash Cow TM says:

      Well, my sources in the MSM say that DRUDGE is having second thoughts about continuing to harp on COVID related stories.

      DRUDGE moguls finally caved after they realized that the COVID stories actually hurt Biden instead of helping him.

      DRUDGE has ratcheted down COVID related stories to only 12.

      AOL now has only 4 COVID stories.

      ****************************************
      Both have practically ZERO stories on the chaos at the southern border…

      They are both throwing up many stories of various “bright and shiny objects” in hopes of diverting the public’s attention from Biden administration disasters.

    671. Tgca says:

      Well, I think tonight I will watch one of my fav martial arts movies from about 10 years ago called Ninja Assassin.

      Blood, gore, violence, and good fight scenes. A nice relaxing evening.

    672. lisab says:

      Must have a portrait in his attic.
      ————

      nice wilde reference

    673. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      @disclosetv
      War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

      And $3,500,000,000,000 is $0.00.

    674. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      @RepRoKhanna: “Senator Sinema has been treated like a head of state. I’ve never requested or met with the president in the Oval Office. I meet with his staff. She meets with him like everyday… she’s a first term Senator.” http://hill.cm/vWxE33v

      Khanna’s hair is all greased down, Biden probably thinks it’s not worth a sniff.

    675. jason says:

      If you accept 630 as absolutely correct, which I do, then there is no practical difference between a reconciliation bill scored as $3.5T & one scored as $1.5T.

      NONE of it will be funded with actual money, & nobody knows what effect it will have on the deficit. Only that it will be horrific.”

      We agree that it is not funded with actual money and nobody knows what effect it will have on the deficit only that it will be horrific.

      We will have to disagree that $1.5 T is the same as $3.5 T.

      Sounds like Nancy Pelosi logic that $3.5 T = 0

    676. jason says:

      Khanna thinks 535 = 100.

    677. Jeff G. says:

      Jason, how meaningful the difference is depends on the structure of the spending over 10 years. If they only appropriate money for 3-4 years of spending on the backbone of 10 years of taxes, then a reduced bottom line spending number is meaningless. The progressives will have still created several costly new entitlements that will be shackled to the long-term budget.

      If Manchin gets a deal that stops the creation of several new entitlements, then indeed $1.5T is better than $3.5T. It all depends on what’s in the reconciliation bill.

    678. jason says:

      Well, that is exactly what is probably going to happen. The Dems are not going to want to sacrifice all the goodies, but one way to get it down to $1.5T from $3.5T is to puts caps, means testing, and other limits. So for example free college for all might only mean free college for a certain income bracket.

      I understand the problem of open ended entitlements in the future, but $1.5T is better than $3.5 T just like 0 is better than $1.5 T.

      By saying that he doesn’t want to move to an “entitlement society” it sounds that in principle at least Manchin is aware of the issue, and Sinema seemed to make the same point yesterday.

      I don’t trust either one of them but something is always better than nothing.

    679. jason says:

      Pelosi now offering Manchin $2.1 trillion.

      “By late Thursday night, Politico reports, Pelosi talks “evolved into in-person discussions” among key moderates Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.), progressive stalwart Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), plus White House officials. By the end of the night, Pelosi had reportedly offered Manchin a $2.1 trillion BBB package, with the money divided between family issues like child care and paid leave, ObamaCare subsidies and other health care issues, and climate change.

      Manchin reiterated after the meeting that he’s “still on $1.5 [trillion]” and he’s “been on 1.5 and I’m going to make sure that people understand there’s an awful lot of good.”

      But he will cave. Look for something in between at $ 1.8 T.

      Combined with the bipartisan bill, we are talking $4 trillion.

      Disastrous.

    680. jason says:

      But will Sinema save the day?

      Ultimately, “Manchin is looking for a way to get to ‘yes’ on a spending bill, as long as he can stomach the final price tag,” Axios reports. “Sinema has always been slightly more skeptical and has indicated she’s comfortable voting no.”

      Don’t bet on it. She likes the climate change BS.

    681. Phil says:

      42/56

      Biden seems to be frozen at around this new level. It’s obvious now that Biden’s numbers aren’t some sort of temporary dip. The view that Biden is a failed President has solidified with the public. Once that happens a President is stuck there. Saw it with Carter. Saw it with Bush his last two years.

    682. jason says:

      It looks like there are different priorities for Sinema and Manchin.

      He is from WV, so he wants to take out the climate change BS. But he is ok with raising taxes.

      Sinema wants the climate change BS in. But she is not ok with some of the tax hikes.

    683. jason says:

      My hope is nothing passes. It would save the country fiscally and pretty much tank Biden’s presidency.

      Alas, won’t happen. The boondoggle is too big to fail.

    684. mnw says:

      Yes, elections have consequences. The American people should’ve thought harder about turning over complete control of our country to this freak show.

    685. dylan says:

      Practically speaking, if the GOP were to hyopthetically get the presidency and both chambers of congress in 2024 (I know–extreme longshot with VBM), couldn’t they just repeal all of these bills and defund all new entitlements?

    686. Tgca says:

      693

      Many don’t care! They think they’re immune from it all.

      Look what happened with Newsom in Caleefawnyuh.

      Until these policies impact them directly, they live in this ideological Utopian mindset that it’s good for society but they exempt themselves.

      When middle class white people start being shut out and replaced in jobs and education by minorities and illegal aliens then you will see a change.

      I blame a lot of this on stoopid suburban white women voters who think the president should be more like a soothing father figure instead of a world leader. They’re obsessed with their soccer mom nurturing mentality but start taking that away from their white kids and you will see change.

      I hope more and more young White people lose their position in society to gays, illegals, and other minorities because that is the only thing that will wake them up to this segregation crap slowly infesting our world and dividing us.

      Wait until Hollywood says no more jobs for white actors and actresses.

      Wait until white leaders in Corp America are pushed out in mass.

      We are pitting whites against minorities and creating new segregation. It should have never gotten here.

      People will have to feel the pain to change.

      As a poor minority growing up, I never hated others better off than me, I wanted to achieve what they had and I let that envy fuel my ambition. Now we create a society to hate and take away rather than let envy drive success.

    687. Phil says:

      What’s different these days?

      Democrat’s brazen, ridiculous lies.

      Oh, they’ve always lied….but now have cover from the MSM and social media to say absolutely anything at all. Anything.

      Examples?

      The border is closed

      Border patrol were whipping Haitian migrants.

      3.5 million costs zero dollars.

      Russian collusion

      Hands up don’t shoot………………..

      Need I go on? There was a time where you’d be laughed off the stage for uttering this kind of garbage. Now it’s the norm.

    688. Tgca says:

      Leave it to the dogs to exact justice. There is hope yet for our society.

      https://trends.gab.com/feed/60203a628451627b67ab52d9/item/6157220b9abc46d00e2c2002

    689. mnw says:

      695 TG

      “middle class white people” needs to be unpacked a bit. The GOP pretty much dominates with all subgroups of white voters except middle class women with college degrees.

    690. jason says:

      Practically speaking, if the GOP were to hyopthetically get the presidency and both chambers of congress in 2024 (I know–extreme longshot with VBM), couldn’t they just repeal all of these bills and defund all new entitlements?”

      The GOP has had the Presidency and both houses before.

      What entitlements did they get rid of?

      The problem with entitlements is that once you have a constituency that receives them, it is impossible to take it away.

    691. Gordon Allen says:

      TGCA= you’ll provoke Bitterlaw by stating the obvious; which I’ve done numerous times.
      The dumbest Voters( as distinguished from people) alive are soccer mom/suburban White women who are abjectly clueless about political and governmental reality; the only measuring stick is either being “nice”, or more importantly being PERCEIVED as “nice”. Virtue signaling is all important.
      There is no political gain to be had by Republicans “targeting them”. but much to lose.
      You’re on target.

    692. Jeff G. says:

      Agreed, GA. There are better places to search for new voters, such as Hispanic men and, to a lesser extent, Black men.

    693. jason says:

      “Free college” for example.

      Once you offer that, if you try to take it away, you are “destroying young people lives”, “depriving them of a career”, blah blah blah.

      That is the narrative, and politically it is hard to overcome.

    694. jason says:

      Yep, pursuing the suburban woke vote while alienating the working class vote is a loser.

      The future of the GOP is not Bitter’s woke friends and neighbors.

    695. Tgca says:

      My point is that a diverse nation we will always have some sort of race or ethnic tension but we are actually causing segregation again with this race baiting BS and making matters worse.

      There are ways to help minorities achieve more success and equality in representation in different areas of society without stoking resentment because in the end it will only lead to more racism by putting groups against one another.

      I believe a bit of envy is good to fuel ambition to succeed but making groups into victims at the hands of others will not end well for society.

      …and yes, stoopid white suburban soccer moms who think everyone has to be nice and get along are a big problem. I see many competent strong women in the work force who rely on their skills and talents but then I see these overweight white middle-aged HR types that learn everything from some feel good books trying to make everyone accept everything about everyone else and all they do is cause more division among people.

    696. Phil says:

      ‘’Pursuing the suburban woke vote while alienating the working class is a loser’’

      Ding ding ding

      You want to make inroads into the Black and Hispanic communities? Gear your policies to working class both economic and social. Working class blacks and Hispanics.

      Suburban white women? Ah, the Robbie constituency. Forget it.

    697. Bitterlaw says:

      703. And the first violation of the truce is by Jason. I will hold back. For now.

    698. jason says:

      BS. I said nothing about YOU.

      I will continue to attack wokiness, I never agreed otherwise.

    699. jason says:

      I agreed with Tgca, GA and Jeff G. on what the direction of the R party should be.

      Interesting that you were personally offended.

    700. Tgca says:

      This would be just comical if not so corruptly sad!

      Merck says it has a new Covid drug that cuts in half hospitalizations and deaths in one study of roughly 775 people and is looking for emergency authorization to use it and that the results were so good, an independent medical review team monitoring the study recommended stopping the study early.

      Ok. Let’s rush out another treatment without long-term study.

      This study said 7% on drug died or were hospitalized compared to 14% with placebos. We don’t know the exact ratio of those taking the drug vs the placebo but if it were 50% each, then this study shows 50 hospitalized or died of 375 on placebo and 25 hospitalized or died of 375 on the experimental drug. That’s enough to call for this as a worldwide treatment protocol?

      So now let’s push an experimental drug on a very small study in a short period of time and get the science to say it’s the gold standard.

      Cha Ching! Cha Ching! Another money making opportunity for big pharma without any long-term or expansive studies.

      But Ivermectin, a relatively cheap drug that has been in numerous studies with tens of thousands of people and used successfully by many countries and doctors to treat millions with success, and US science folks want to say it’s not worth studying.

      Does anyone see a pattern here?

      https://www.breitbart.com/health/2021/10/01/merck-says-experimental-pill-cuts-worst-effects-of-coronavirus/

    701. Cash Cow TM says:

      Today’s COVID count:

      DRUDGE 12
      AOL News 6

    702. Tgca says:

      706

      Bitter needs to convene with all those white privileged Radnor soccer moms to best address how refute these claims against them as f*cking things up for the country with their stoopid wokeness and desire to fit in and be liked.

      I pray every white suburban mom who thinks this stoopid way ends up having her kids alienated and targeted by the woke culture so they are marginalized and discriminated against, and their husbands lose their jobs to others so then they can REALLY experience what poverty and segregation does to society due to those politicians and the policies they support.

    703. jason says:

      And btw, when I speak of Bitter’s woke friends and neighbors I am making a general statement on a certain demographic, since I view the suburbs, at least those in major urban centers, as increasingly woke and hostile to Republicans, nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with the educational system and the media and woke corporations.

      Again, I am not saying ignore the suburbs, there are still a lot of R votes there, Rs have to have policies that appeal to suburban voters, but I don’t view the effort and cost of trying to win back brainwashed woke products from a Marxist oriented educational system is where the focus of R resources should be. If these people have been indoctrinated into believing the nanny state is the way to go, Rs will never be able to outbid the Dems on delivering free st-ff.

    704. Cash Cow TM says:

      I continue to be astounded by the number of DIFFERENT TV ads put up by Youngkin in VA for the governor’s race there. They are all very well done.

      Of course, McA (D) also has lots of different TV ads up as well…

      Normally over the last 10 years or so, I have pretty much given up on an R winning the governorship in VA. However, this year I am on the verge of sticking my neck out and saying the R, Youngkin, will win.

      But we still have a month to go before election day.

      *****************************************
      I am ASLO ASTOUNDED by the number of both TV and radio ads that I have seen from mostly LEFT swing groups urging people to contact their congresscritters and get them to SUPPORT the various pieces of Left Wing Biden admin. bills before congress:

      –the “Voting Rights” monstrosity

      –the Build Back Better whatever

      –the $3.5B budget reconciliation social agenda boondoggle

      –the $1B infrastructure bill

      –end the filibuster bill

      –probably some other goofy things too…

    705. Cash Cow TM says:

      BTW, when will the Ds put forth a bill to execute, or at least incarcerate, any and all in Amerika (except illegal aliens) who have not gotten a COVID jab?

    706. jason says:

      Soon.

    707. jason says:

      However, this year I am on the verge of sticking my neck out and saying the R, Youngkin, will win.”

      A cow that risks its neck should be listened to.

      Confucius?

    708. mnw says:

      I don’t agree about suburban white women with college degrees being a write-off for the GOP. I think they’ll migrate to the GOP when they start being hurt in the pocketbook (tax increases), and note that their kids are being marginalized (affirmative action).

      On another topic, reading Politico just now, it looks like Manchin may have come up to $2.1T, because that’s what Pelosi is now offering the superfreaks.

    709. Bitterlaw says:

      Almost all of my friends and neighbors hate woke/cancel culture. They also hate CRT.

      I don’t associate with soccer moms since I hate soccer. Softball and basketball moms are generally conservatives.

    710. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 60% of Likely U.S. Voters think keeping 2,500 U.S. troops in Afghanistan – as Milley testified this week he recommended to Biden – would have been better than a complete U.S. troop withdrawal. Twenty-four percent (24%) disagree, favoring the decision to withdraw completely from Afghanistan, while 16% are not sure.”

    711. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason is correct that there are woke morons in Radnor. His blanket generalization that my personal friends and neighbors are woke morons is not correct. Both can be true and he can GFH.

    712. jason says:

      Bernie must have attended Kommie Kory’s math classes too.

      “2 senators cannot be allowed to defeat what 48 senators and 210 House members want. We must stand with the working families of our country. We must combat climate change. We must delay passing the Infrastructure Bill until we pass a strong Reconciliation Bill.”

      Someone should tell Bernie there are 100 Senators and 535 House members.

    713. Gordon Allen says:

      Soccer moms are a colloquial term for suburban housewives whose lives run on ferrying kids to play dates and other moms houses,have their nails and hair done weekly,feel civic duty is performed by once a year cookie sales…etc etc.
      We all know what that term implies,without a Black’s legal dictionary definition..

      In other words voluntarily brain dead. But teach their kids courtesy,self reliance respect,discipline AWOL

    714. Bitterlaw says:

      My Jeep may be on its way out of my life. Maybe I should not have ignored the 3500 calls about my car warranty. After 160k miles over 11 years, it may have a cracked head gasket. That sounds expensive and could push me to a new car. I am not happy since the Liberty was not too small or too large. Jeep does not make it any more. The Cherokee is too small but the Grand Cherokee is bigger than I need. May look at Ford Bronco, too.

    715. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      @trafalgar_group@COSProject poll shows 65% of Americans (83.5% of GOP, 47.9% of Dems, 63.6% of Ind) don’t believe workers should lose their jobs for objection to taking #covid19 vax.

    716. Bitterlaw says:

      Most moms I know work full-time jobs or own businesses which consume more time than the usual full-time job..

    717. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Biden Job Approval:
      Approve 50%
      Disapprove 49%
      @APNORC
      1099 Adults, 9/23-27

      APNORC polls a pre-approved panel of people through online surveys.

    718. Gordon Allen says:

      If they’re millennial include them in the brain dead category percentage wise. If they’re Republican fine; but its utterly a waste of time to ” target them”. Hispanics,Asians,working class whites,and younger/middle age working blacks are very fertile ground for growth: suburban white women under 50 almost certainly not.

    719. jason says:

      I know, Bitter wants to play stupid and pretend the term “soccer moms” only pertains to soccer.

      Zzzzzzz…….

    720. Tina says:

      She has more b*lls than Munchkin.

      Jack Posobiec ??
      @JackPosobiec
      ·
      1h
      White House has a new nickname for Sinema: Nemesis, Greek Goddess of Retribution

    721. jason says:

      His blanket generalization that my personal friends and neighbors are woke morons is not correct”

      Based entirely on your comments about them, especially that they were voting for Biden because they ‘hated Trump” and that they would vote against their interests because they could afford to pay more taxes.

      I think I will look for those posts, I am sure they exist.

      In any case, these are not the people that Rs should be targeting, Gordon is correct.

    722. jason says:

      She has more b*lls than Munchkin”

      Yes, I made that point yesterday.

    723. jason says:

      On another topic, reading Politico just now, it looks like Manchin may have come up to $2.1T, because that’s what Pelosi is now offering the superfreaks.”

      Nah.

      Manchin says his number is $1.5T, which he alleges he upped from 0, so he is not going to take Pelosi’s offer.

      But will he cave to $1.8T? Maybe.

    724. jason says:

      Over at DKos…

      “How about we just buy their votes — Manchins net worth is currently around $8.6 million, don’t know about Sinema. Just offer them $10 million each to agree to get rid of the filibuster and vote with their party. If they want $20 million each it would still be cheap.”

    725. Tgca says:

      Most business owners, male or female, spend more time than at traditional employer jobs because it’s a personal venture where they where many hats and try to keep costs down. It’s not specific to women.

      I’m sorry! Taking care of kids and having play dates with other moms, cooking and cleaning does not compare to stress of a full time job in corporate Amerika these days, especially when kids are getting really in school most of the day.

      I know many women that resent their counter parts that get to leave work early, take work off, or get flexible schedules because of their kids. Most single women I worked with often worked late hours while the married ones with kids often got the easier loads.

      It’s just more BS to indoctrinate the masses that women do more than men when it’s not true. Women still outlive men significantly due to the everyday stresses of life so I’m not feeling sorry if someone has to cook and clean in addition to their jobs as I’ve been doing that for years as most single folks do. I probably spend just as much time attending to my dogs, cooking, cleaning, walking them that the average mom spends with non-toddler kids daily. I grew up around stay-at-home moms and they did not work 10 hours daily doing one thing after the other. They had lots of personal down time in between tasks.

      One of the reason women lag men in compensation is often because they take extended time off over the years compared to men. In my time, if a man said he had to have more flexibility in his work schedule to manage family life, he was viewed as not a best fit and weak. He learned to adjust to it or find another job.

      So though we should acknowledge women in the work force, let’s not kid ourselves that they somehow outperform men and are super moms who do it all. That is just more woke feel good BS and not factual.

    726. Bitterlaw says:

      I would invite my friends to post here but I’m not sure if they could get past the fact that our most respected poster is a cow.

    727. Tgca says:

      736

      I’m sure they’d feel more at home at KOS or the new Drudge.

    728. Bitterlaw says:

      All I said was that most moms I know work full-time or own businesses. This was to counter Gordon’s observation from his retired perch behind the gates.

      Tgclown equates caring for his dog to being a mother. Wow. He really hates women.

    729. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgclown has to clown.

    730. lisab says:

      Practically speaking, if the GOP were to hyopthetically get the presidency and both chambers of congress in 2024 (I know–extreme longshot with VBM), couldn’t they just repeal all of these bills and defund all new entitlements?
      —————————

      has the government ever reversed an entitlement without giving an alternative way to get the money?

      clinton did do some welfare reform, but you could get around the limits by claiming a disability— not actually having a disability, but just claiming one

    731. Tgca says:

      No! I don’t hate women!

      I dislike when woke women try to make that somehow a stay home mom puts as many hours in and deals with equivalent stress of a full-time job in Corporate Amerika. That’s BS and wokeness that people like you support.

      I specifically commented on working women often feeling the same way and the amount of hours they work compared to stay at home moms.

      What do most stay home moms do all day that’s so stressful. Please explain. I already acknowledge dealing with a newborn is very time consuming but that is for a limited time only. How much work does a mother of a 10 year old or teen have to do daily?

      I spend 2 to 4 hours daily attending to my dogs, preparing their meals, walking them, cleaning up after their constant shedding, etc.

      …and for the record, the new trend the last decade has been for middle class folks to use maids to clean their homes so many of these soccer moms or stay at home moms are not even doing all traditional chores.

    732. Tina says:

      Regarding $3.5 t infrastructure, “GOP leadership” needs to elevate the debate. Focus on the sheotty policy provisions, not just the price tag.

    733. Tgca says:

      …and for the record, I take care of my dogs better than probably most care for their children, especially in Philly where you’re from.

      Perhaps if people spend more quality time with their kids than pursuing personal interests, kids would be better suited for society.

    734. jason says:

      GOP has no leverage on the reconciliation bill.

      This is a DEM vs. DEM.

    735. Tgca says:

      Now Burger King requiring vax proof to get food? Really?

      I’m not sure if this is just a local franchise or if this is going to be their corporate policy, but good luck staying in business.

      I say put any merchant out of business that does this. Boycott them or hold demonstrations outside their businesses. Hit them in the pocket, then they’ll learn.

      Denying people food is fascism! This is as close to Nazi Germany that we’ve seen in 70+ years.

      https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/burger-king-demands-vaccine-card-to-buy-a-whopper/

    736. Bitterlaw says:

      I was very specific in my comments. I did not mention stay at home moms.

    737. lisab says:

      just throwing this out there,

      not saying i agree

      but i think divorced white women

      and many single college educated white women

      think white men have had it very easy in life

      and vote the way they do out of a feeling of payback

    738. Tgca says:

      747

      So you’re saying their self-centered self-pitying Bishes then, right?

      Maybe there’s a reason many of them are divorced or single.

    739. Tgca says:

      746

      Sorry then because we were discussing soccer moms who often are not working moms.

      But to my other point, women owning businesses are not working harder than men owning businesses. Sole proprietors work longer hours to keep costs down but the benefits of being your own boss has many benefits over the pressures of corporate Amerika as well.

      I certainly don’t think most small business owners puts in any more hours than myself or peers have done over the years in our respective professions.

      It’s all relative.

    740. lisab says:

      So you’re saying their self-centered self-pitying Bishes then, right?
      —————————–

      no, i am not taking a position

      i am sure many have good reasons to feel they way they do

      and certainly many white women, especially divorced women have reasons to be resentful

      though the reasons may not be entirely justified

    741. lisab says:

      for example, if a couple divorce around age 40-50

      which is common

      the potential to remarry is clearly higher for the man, and that causes a lot of resentment and anger

      again, i am not taking sides, just explaining some of the thought process

    742. lisab says:

      for single college age white women,

      it is more of a taught thing, i would say

    743. jason says:

      More Kommie Kory math.

      A few hours later, House Democrat John Yarmuth (Ky.) did an interview on CNN, where he tried a little budgetsplaining on Manchin in response to his presser. In the process, however, he exposed himself.

      “I read Joe Manchin’s statement, I’ve listened to him. He has no understanding of how the federal government monetary system works when he compared it yesterday to his household income. That has no relevance to what we can do,” Yarmuth explained. “It’s not a question of what we can afford. The federal government can afford anything that it feels it needs to do, and right now that’s what we ought to be focused on.”

    744. jason says:

      The federal government can afford anything that it feels it needs to do”

      And some people don’t think we are royally screwed?

      This guy is a member of Congress.

    745. Tgca says:

      LisaB

      I understand. Living in the city, I often came across single middle-aged women who thought all men were pigs and could not understand why the hunky attractive guys were not interested in them. Usually it was because they were unattractive in personality. Sorry! But most guys are not interested in middle-aged bitter bitchy overly critical women just like most women are not interested in jaded jerk overbearing guys.

    746. mnw says:

      742 Tina

      I’ve been thinking the same thing!

      We’ve heard NOTHING (as far was I know) from GOP leaders on free community college for illegal aliens. How well does the GOP think THAT would play in Peoria, if people just knew about it?

      Taxpayer funding for abortion is in there. Heard the GOP leaders talking about it? I haven’t.

      Romney is trying to spotlight a marriage tax penalty in the Reconciliation bill– he deserves credit for that.

      Nothing of the freakfest goody bag is means tested, either. That would be so easy for the GOP to ridicule– “good news for Bill Gates’ kids! Free JuCo!”

    747. Tina says:

      Mnw, the leadership is pathetic.

      They are scared of a fraudulent President at 40 percent approval.

    748. Gordon Allen says:

      Tina. You’re right about not focusing on money numbers alone,but on policy and philosophical grounds as well.
      But the Republican ” leadership” understands nothing but that,and as a result are disconnected to everything not of importance to their perceived donor base.

    749. lisab says:

      I often came across single middle-aged women who thought all men were pigs and could not understand why the hunky attractive guys were not interested in them. Usually it was because they were unattractive in personality.
      —————————

      some are just angry.

      their expected life upended by divorce

    750. jason says:

      I watched this interview with Manchin.

      I kind of feel sorry for him. He wants to be in the center of issues where there really is no center. He doesn’t fit in the Dem party but it is obvious he doesn’t fit in the GOP either.

      I commend him when he said listen, if you want to pass all that, you are going to have to elect more liberals, excellent point. I just hope he doesn’t do that with HR1.

      He gives off the impression as someone who is under pressure and not sure how to deal with it.

      https://redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2021/10/01/house-democrat-tries-some-budgetsplaining-on-joe-manchin-exposes-himself-in-the-process-n450694

    751. jason says:

      This is as close to Nazi Germany that we’ve seen in 70+ years.”

      Hey, I am sure Meldrim, NYC, and SDC approve wholeheartedly.

      After all, it is “freedom” for Burger King to demands papers to buy a Whopper, right?

      You are giving private businesses the “right” to be fascists.

    752. jason says:

      We’ve heard NOTHING (as far was I know) from GOP leaders on free community college for illegal aliens. How well does the GOP think THAT would play in Peoria, if people just knew about it?”

      It won’t play well in Peoria, but it will play well in Chicago where there are more votes.

      I am not convinced these things are that unpopular. They used to be. But again, people have been brainwashed for decades by left leaning institutions and the media, and many people think “free college”, “free birth control”, “free Internet”, “free housing” etc are a good idea.

      That is why our march to socialism isn’t going to be stopped, certainly not by the GOP leadership calling attention to it. Heck, these things are not hidden in the bill, Dems are running on them.

      There is a new normal in the country, unfortunately.

    753. lisab says:

      if you want to pass all that, you are going to have to elect more liberals
      —————————

      the issue i have with that is that creating a huge government bureaucracy, that governs every aspect of your life

      is not very liberal at all

      i want the government to leave me alone

      especially now when the government wants to force people to get medical care they don’t want …

      if you cannot even control your own body, especially what you don’t want done to it, you really don’t have many rights

    754. mnw says:

      The House has already passed Manchin’s “voting reform” bill, but it can’t get by a GOP filibuster– unless Manchin votes to end the filibuster– which could very well happen.

      Manchin’s so-called voting reform bill is one of 4 (going by memory) already passed by the House.

      It’s pretty awful. It would gut redstate election reform laws passed since 2020– universal “no excuses” mail-in ballots; NO photo ID requirements ever; automatic VR at driver’s license facilities (with no exception for illegal aliens); and federal oversight of how this new law is implemented.

      Sound like a “moderate” plan? Manchin is reportedly in discussion with unidentified RINOs, trying to create a “bipartisan” version of Manchin’s bill.

      The DEMs LOVE to find a handful of RINOs so that they can cling to the “bipartisan” label life preserver.

    755. mnw says:

      I don’t think “free community college for illegal aliens” would poll well AT ALL. Call me crazy.

    756. Phil says:

      So Bernie thinks two senators should not be able to stand in the way of the will of 48 senators.

      How about 52, senators, Bernie?

      I could of sworn there were 100 members of the Senate, not 50.

      I guess this is more of that liberal math…..you know, like three and a half trillion in expenditures costs zero dollars.

      Just shoot me.

    757. Tgca says:

      759. LisaB

      I get that too. I worked with a woman years ago who got divorced in her mid 40s and pretty much got nothing while her hubbie kept the nice home and moved in a much younger gal pal while the wifey had to move to a 1BR apt with the older family car.

      I have no idea how she got such the short straw but she did.

      The wife had to take a job as an office manager and she was so angry and bitter all the time. She often lost her cool and could not see beyond her tragic life and constantly complained about what she used to have and greatly resented other women and now was living week to week.

      I felt sorry for her but also realized with her outlook, she was doomed because she could not get past this sad part of her life.

      Poop happens but it also happens to men. Many men get shafted in divorce as well, especially with courts being over friendly to women with respect to alimony, child support, and custody.

      Divorce is never easy for many who’ve vested years. I guess some adjust differently than others.

    758. Tgca says:

      Yikes! Majority, 55%, say Biden should resign per new Ras poll done last 3 days over Afghaneestan debacle.

      57% believe Milley recommended troops to stay behind which contradicts what Biden said in interview, with only 21% believing Biden over Milley.

      Not sure what party ID is here but generally, Ras is not doing whacko polls.

      “Do you agree or disagree with this statement: ‘Biden cannot avoid the consequences of his actions in Afghanistan. He must resign’”?

      A majority of 55 percent strongly (41 percent) or somewhat (14 percent) agree he must resign. Only 39 percent somewhat (10 percent) or strongly (29 percent) disagree.”

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/10/01/nolte-majority-believe-bidens-lying-afghanistan-want-him-resign/

    759. Phil says:

      Rasmussen is a D+4 poll hard weighted for party.

      Entirely reasonable. 2020 exits showed D+3 so, yeah, horrible numbers for the drooling fool.

    760. Phil says:

      Correction. Party ID in 2020 according to the CNN exits was D+1, 37-36……..

      Which makes this RAS polling even worse for Biden.

    761. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “Biden goes on offense as economic agenda teeters
      Some fear presidential intervention coming too late.,”

      We learned from Afghanistan what happens when Biden goes on the offensive regarding a policy matter.

    762. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      770. Nate Silver rated Rasmussen as one of the most accurate polls in the 2020 election.

    763. lisab says:

      tgca,

      it is a societal or anthropological problem

      divorce that is

      divorced women in their 40’s don’t usually have much chance to remarry.

      the women understand they will spend the next 30, 40, even 50+ years alone

      a divorced guy in his 40’s will likely remarry

    764. Bitterlaw says:

      https://www.foxnews.com/us/yale-says-its-controversial-vinland-map-is-a-fake

      They could have just asked Walt. He knows what really old stuff is supposed to look like.

    765. Tina says:

      Rottie rated Rasmussen as the worst.

    766. Cash Cow TM says:

      New TV ad out by McAwful in the VA governor’s race.

      “…Youngkin financially benefited and made millions while children suffered.”

      It is over.
      Youngkin is a goner.
      ********************************
      Seriously, seems like McA is going negative on Youngkin very early. Not waiting until the last week of the election.

      I always thought it was funny that candidate A goes negative on their opponent, candidate B, and put up big bucks to say to people “You absolutely do not want to vote for candidate B” while neglecting to put up ads telling people why they SHOULD clearly want to vote for candidate A.

    767. Tgca says:

      Theven Theven Theven Bishes!

      Theven Theven Theven I thay!

    768. Cash Cow TM says:

      tcga says in 767 above:

      “…I felt sorry for her but…”

      Did you mean to say something about “her sorry butt”?

      Oh.
      Nevermind.
      You only had one “T” in but.

    769. Bitterlaw says:

      In New Jersey, Gov. Murphy is running against Trump. Ciaterrelli is running against Murphy.

    770. Tina says:

      Chad Pergram
      @ChadPergram
      · 1h
      From colleague Jacqui Heinrich. Biden essentially called Manchin and Sinema obstructionists. Also told Dems not to vote for infrastructure until reconciliation is done. Brought down price tag to $1.9-2.2. trillion. Source describes their side of the caucus as in “meltdown mode”

    771. Cash Cow TM says:

      More leftwing silliness.

      “THE CAPITOL ROTUNDA IS RACIST!”

      Someone needs to bitch slap people who push such woke-ism malarkey.

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/national-archives-racism-task-force-constitution-declaration-freedom

    772. Bitterlaw says:

      Cash Cow – I hate cancel culture and woke BS. Please ask Walt how he compares today to every other time in human history.

    773. Tina says:

      This applies to the Rinos in the Senate.

      Melanie Zanona
      @MZanona
      · 50m
      NEWS: The few House Republicans who were planning to support the $1.2T infrastructure bill are now rethinking their votes after Biden’s visit to the Hill today, saying it’s as clear as ever that the bill is linked to reconciliation.

    774. Tgca says:

      773

      True. But 2nd marriages are also more prone to failure as well.

      Divorce is hard on both spouses. Women may struggle to find mates and feel alone but often men are separated from their kids which can be equally if not more distressing.

    775. Bitterlaw says:

      I know 2 men who each had 2 wives. One of them said he would probably have a fourth if he didn’t die first. Cancer got him before the 4th marriage. He said Wife 2 was the best.

    776. Bitterlaw says:

      Oops. 3 wives each.

    777. Tgca says:

      787

      That ain’t nuttin’.

      Mickey Rooney was married to 8 times and to dine pretty hot babes too.

    778. lisab says:

      tgca,

      i was not saying divorce wasn’t hard on guys, i’m sure it is, i was just explaining one reason why the gop loses so many white women. part of it is divorced white women

      if the dems want to raise taxes, married women will tend to think, “the dems are raising taxes on US, those bastards”, while a divorced women will tend to think

      “the dems are raising taxes on my ex, ha ha, screw the bastard and all the men like him”

      there is a lot of anger out there

    779. mnw says:

      The late Larry King had either 6 wives and 4 heart attacks, or the other way around. He also very nearly got his legs broken, or worse, because of his enormous gambling debts.

      And yet he lived to a tremendous old age– 80 something, I believe, just going by memory.

    780. mnw says:

      White single moms are also a constituency where DEMs run way ahead of their typical white vote average.

      Uncle Sam assumes the role of the missing father(s).

    781. lisab says:

      i think i mentioned this before but

      once my hubby and i were sending a package overseas, and there was a long line at the post office. i went to look at stationary while my hubby waited in line

      he finally gets to the counter and the postal worker told him to go fill out a form and to come back up when he finished, she specifically told him to come back to her directly and not wait in line again … so that took a few minutes, meanwhile the postal worker helped others

      so he finished, but the worker was helping someone so he waited patiently but not in the line, just off to the side. when the customer finished he started to go to the window and this woman in line yells, “NO!!!!!” and goes to the window instead

      fortunately, the postal worker stood up to her and said, “he was here before you ma’am, i was already helping him”

      but all i could think was, “wow, some guy dumped that b hard!”

    782. Tgca says:

      793

      wow, some guy dumped that b hard!”

      You assume too much LisaB. She did not necessarily get dumped.

      Where I come from, we would say:

      Somebody got a bad load last night.

      Clearly a difference.

    783. lisab says:

      oh yeah, single white women, ESPECIALLY single moms, vote dem in droves

      the transfer of wealth via taxes is mostly from men

      not too many women expect to run businesses or have high paying salaries

      some do of course, but it is not the norm

    784. lisab says:

      Somebody got a bad load last night.
      —————

      i’m not familiar with that expression

      she definitely seemed pissed off at the tall drink of water that is my hubby

      now i can see someone who misunderstood the situation saying, “excuse me, i believe i was next, there is a line”

      but just yelling “NO!!!!!!” and stomping angrily over to the window makes me think she got dumped hard!

    785. Tgca says:

      I can’t imagine DeWine would be this stoopid.

      Ohio’s DeWine, Others Consider Redistricting Map that Would Eliminate Jim Jordan’s District

      The plan is to push Jim Jordan into Columbus district where Dems would benefit as well as pushing Mike Turner and Warren Daviidson into competing for a seat in Dayton district because OH is losing a seat. So essentially a loss of 3 OH GOP seats in Congress all else equal.

      Supposedly, this is intended to reduce influence of Trump supporters by these RINOs.

      …and yes…any GOP politician that would purposely redistrict to hurt GOP congressman who support Trump are not true conservatives because they’re setting up potential GOP losses for at least a decade giving 2 to 3 dear advantages to the Dems.

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/10/01/rigged-ohios-dewine-others-consider-redistricting-map-that-would-eliminate-jim-jordans-district-solidify-pelosis-majority/

    786. Tgca says:

      796

      I would think you would not be familiar with that expression. 🙂

      It’s something we guys say about really bitchy women when they’re out of ear shot.

    787. jason says:

      I never thought I would agree with Ruy Teixeira, but he makes a good case on why abandoning the working class in favor of “educated” suburban voters might be a bad deal for the GOP.

      https://theliberalpatriot.substack.com/p/there-just-arent-enough-college-educated

    788. Gordon Allen says:

      My consistent point. The suburban white vote will be what it is; targeting or emphasizing it is a mistake for the GOP if at the expense of working class/ minority voters.

    789. Phil says:

      The future of the GOP is the working class voter, both white and non-white. Inroads into the minority vote will be through an appeal to the working class voter – not the white college educated women wokers who were brainwashed in college and who live in the Philly suburbs.

    790. jason says:

      I agree. But unfortunately the “deplorable haters” are not going to heed our advice.

      They are going to try to win back Bitter’s friends and neighbors who voted for Biden because they hated Trump and could afford higher taxes.

    791. Tgca says:

      801

      These stoopid privileged white women elitist lefties may live in the Philly suburbs but they tell everyone they’re from Philly.

    792. jason says:

      LOL, Babylon bee

      “Congress Members To Wear Barcodes So Lobbyists Can Scan Prices, Self-Checkout”

    793. Tina says:

      So, more inflation in the horizon? There once was a President, who had mean tweets, who encouraged domestic supply chains.

      Daily Mail Online
      @MailOnline
      · 2h
      Global supply chain on the brink of collapse as cargo ships face 4-WEEK wait at US ports https://trib.al/PEeE9Wz

    794. jason says:

      Be happ. AOC says 6 trillion was the compromise. Bernie says 3.5 trillion was the compromise.

      “We started off with the $10 trillion number. They wanted to bring that down to six, so we obliged, negotiating in good faith. Then several months ago, we had an agreement with Senator Manchin … saying we will move forward on this $3.5 trillion,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez told NBC’s Garrett Haake. “Since then, some folks in our party have reneged on that agreement, and that’s where I think we have an issue of trust.”

    795. jason says:

      WHo negotiated it from 10 trillion to 6 trillion “in good faith”?

    796. Tgca says:

      So I read 2 articles this AM claiming restaurant business is down significantly, like 25% to 60% at some places in NYC since the vax proof mandate and folks are calling for a stimulus to help them.

      NO! Let them all suffer and go out of business I thay! The more, the better.

      Let them feel the consequences of the stoopid people they vote into gubbermint. There are plenty of labor jobs out there they can work at after their businesses close up.

    797. jason says:

      Those “negotiations” from 10 trillion to 6 trillion must have been fun to watch.

    798. Wobbles says:

      I am not worried, what goes down goes up, what goes up goes down as we say in Bogo Pogo.

      Have you heard the latest on Fauci? Avenatti? Stormy?

      “A Gallup poll last week found Biden’s approval rating among independents falling to 37 percent, the lowest it has been since Biden took office, and slipping 24 points below his 61 percent approval rating at the beginning of his administration.

      An ABC/Ipsos poll this week showed independents souring on Biden’s handling of key issues, including the pandemic, infrastructure and the Afghanistan withdrawal. The poll found the president’s approval on his handling of the pandemic dropped 7 percentage points from August to September among independents, and Biden saw a 9-point drop among independents on his handling of infrastructure.

      And an Associated Press poll released Friday found Biden’s approval rating among independents had dropped from 62 percent in July to 38 percent in September”

    799. jason says:

      The pollsters are screwed, they artificially bumped Biden up thinking his popularity would be sustained, now they have to show “drops”, I am sure it drives them crazy.

    800. mnw says:

      The problem with telling the GOP to go after the “working class vote” is that, among white working class voters, there’s nothing left to get– the GOP has already gotten it.

      So if you say “target the working class vote,” what you’re actually suggesting the GOP do is, “target the working class black and brown vote.”

      That’s fine by me, but I think suburban women are at least as promising a target for the GOP.

      Btw, those Latinos who are moving to the GOP in sizable numbers lately self-identify as “white,” I’ve read– NOT as Hispanic or Latino.

      This emerging trend with Latino/white voters is rather like what happened to “the Catholic vote.” Over generations, “the Catholic vote” disappeared, because Catholic voting patterns became indistinguishable from non-Catholic voting patterns.

    801. Tgca says:

      812

      Well Latinos are an ethnicity so by race they are generally white except for those that are mixed race.

      I never understood this brown designation to differentiate Latinos. Look at AOC or JLo. They may have olive skin tones but they are more white looking than AA.

      I think the brown designation was made up by some libs who just want to show Latinos have their separate identity. I have a brother with olive skin as dark or a bit darker than JLo and a sister with a lighter slightly olive complexion but I would not refer to them as being brown. They are still white even though they’re half Latino. I myself am more of a light pinkish beige.

    802. Gordon Allen says:

      According to self identification Florida is only 57% ” white”. Demographically by race it should be a strong Democrat state.
      It isn’t. There’s a way to do this,that escapes the Liz Cheney/ Mitt Romney type GOP

    803. mnw says:

      813 Tg

      My point concerned self-identification, not skin color.

      You make a good point about “brown people” being an artificial DEM construction, invented & used by liberals.

      814

      I think (and hope) that economic anxiety may soon cause suburban women voters to begin moving back toward the GOP. Nobody here detests Romney & Cheney more than I do, but hating Trump’s guts doesn’t have much to do with winning over suburban women, imo.

    804. Tgca says:

      815. MNW

      I don’t ever recall in my yoot in the bee-yoo-tee-ful city of Newark, with its very high percentage of PR, anyone ever referring to themselves as brown.

      I never heard that in Caleefawnyuh either in my two decades living there where we have a large Mexican ethnicity.

      It seems that has become a more popularized term in the last decade as people try to separate themselves into check boxes.

      Again, being pinkish beige myself, I demand a separate check box but my concern is that it will be associated with traditionally Caucasian gay people because of the “pink” designation.

      I truly think pink is a hideous color for the most part so perhaps I’m self-loathing or just don’t think men in particular should associate themselves with the color pink.

    805. mnw says:

      I think the Squad freaks like to talk about “black and brown people” all the time, because they hope that will convince people there’s no difference there– when clearly there is!

      There are 3 TX CDs on the border which are majority Hispanic & have been sending only DEMs to Congress for a century– and all 3 of these “brown people” districts are teetering on the edge of turning Republican RIGHT NOW. You don’t see that happening in “black people” districts.

    806. Dylan says:

      btw, why is chuck schumer the “”senate majority leader”? The last time the senate was 50/50, wasn’t there some sort of powersharing agreement? After Jim “Jeffords switched parties”?

    807. Cash Cow TM says:

      “Please ask Walt how he compares today to every other time in human history.”

      Bitter,

      Walt said (between chores) that today is the most frustrating of times.

      Walt said today is worse than the Mongol invasions, the Black plague times, the Spanish inquisition, and the French Revolution times…

      …Except for all the killings and deaths that took place.

    808. Cash Cow TM says:

      And the MSM back in those days did not hype the meme that the Mongols were only peaceful…

    809. Tina says:

      No mean tweets.

      zerohedge
      @zerohedge
      · 21h
      BofA on the “great inflation of 2021”:

      – oil up 55%,
      – natural gas up 122%,
      – food up 33%,
      – shipping costs up 225% in ‘21;
      – past 6-months US CPI up 7.6% (annualized),
      – core CPI up 6.8%,
      – wages 4.9%

    810. Tina says:

      Milli Vanilli parody account

      General Milley
      @GeneralMiIIey
      · 1h
      I called my Chinese counterpart to once again inform him that I won’t let the United States do anything that might be misconstrued as a deterrent. I reassured the CCP that they can carry on with their efforts to dominate the Pacific and (hopefully someday) the world. twitter.com/lucasfoxnews/s…

    811. jason says:

      “The problem with telling the GOP to go after the “working class vote” is that, among white working class voters, there’s nothing left to get– the GOP has already gotten it.”

      Nah, there is still plenty left. Dems are still getting 36% of white working women, it should be a lot less than that.

      Biden actually did BETTER with working class whites than Hillary did, because he was able to snooker some with his “Scranton Joe”, “working class roots” BS. It didn’t work in OH, but probably aided by fraud it worked just enough in PA, WI, and MI to flip them back to D.

      https://hbr.org/2020/11/how-biden-won-back-enough-of-the-white-working-class

    812. lisab says:

      That’s fine by me, but I think suburban women are at least as promising a target for the GOP.
      ——————

      i just recently moved to the suburbs from the city

      the real suburbs too, where people have dogs and rvs and manicured lawns

      one of my neighbors has a blm sign

      i don’t think this is good gop hunting grounds. the women you could get, you already got, the rest are either divorced or lesbian couples or teachers…

      these women for the most part are NOT small business owners

    813. jason says:

      That’s fine by me, but I think suburban women are at least as promising a target for the GOP.”

      I don’t. I think the strategy here should be get what you can, but the trade-off is not worth it for the GOP.

      Most of these suburban women are products of decades of leftist brainwashing that has convinced them that they want the nanny state, that they are victims of the system, and that Dems defend their interests while Rs are bent in taking away “their rights’. They have been led to believe they are intellectually and culturally superior to the great unwashed masses.

      I don’t see that changing, in fact I see it getting worse, and I don’t think investing resources in this demographic will be as effective as investing in the working class vote.

      But I am sure your view will prevail, because I think it is shared by most in the R leadership and the RNC.

    814. lisab says:

      i miss the city

      i must say

    815. Cash Cow TM says:

      Walt and I are having a disagreement.

      Maybe posters here can chime in on which side to support.

      I like to watch the old westerns on TV where there are cattle drives and sometimes cattle stampedes.

      The old guy says he likes to watch westerns where the Indians attack the fort, settlers or wagon trains and get their a$$ handed to them. He likes it when the savages get shot.

    816. lisab says:

      most of the women around me now, don’t really need a nanny state

      they are more like the housewives of radnor

      living in big 5000+ sf houses with hardwood floors and hvac systems

      they simply can pay an extra $10,000 in taxes to annoy you guys

    817. jason says:

      don’t think this is good gop hunting grounds. the women you could get, you already got, the rest are either divorced or lesbian couples or teachers…”

      I agree.

      The GOP should target working class women and female small business owners and minority women who are not that interested in the Democrat’s cultural revolution.

      These groups can actually benefit from GOP policies. The GOP is not going to outbid the Dems with woke elitist liberal self entitled suburban women, the only issue I could possible see the GOP having an advantage is defunding the police, but even then, most of their neighborhoods are not that much at risk.

    818. jason says:

      most of the women around me now, don’t really need a nanny state”

      Maybe not, but they believe in it for everybody else.

    819. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason and the vipers are tossing a lot of chum in the water. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PpG3-hLJTwU

      Bittershark will pass. Spending the afternoon at the beach. GFY

    820. jason says:

      Cow, you have to remember Walt probably killed a lot of Indians when he was on the Oregon Trail and he likes to reminisce about the good ole days when it wasn’t politically incorrect to slaughter buffaloes and/or Indians.

    821. jason says:

      Poor Bitter who wasn’t even here for the discussion, thinks it is all about him.

      Zzzzzzz….

    822. jason says:

      Bitter’s problem in being late to the party is that the “chum’ he is talking about had nothing to do with him and was a discussion about mnw’s comment:

      The problem with telling the GOP to go after the “working class vote” is that, among white working class voters, there’s nothing left to get– the GOP has already gotten it.”

      GFY.

    823. lisab says:

      i think it is more they hate uneducated deplorables

      not love the nanny state

      they want to be invited to the right partied

    824. Bitterlaw says:

      So comments about Bitter, Bitter’s friends and neighbors, and Radnor have nothing to do with me? Good to know.
      I absolutely agree that the GOP has to go after working class/minority voters. Saying I agree with Jason makes him so angry he has to pretend I don’t agree with him.

    825. jason says:

      So comments about Bitter, Bitter’s friends and neighbors, and Radnor have nothing to do with me? Good to know.”

      Zzzzzzzz… sorry, but you are not that important.

      “And btw, when I speak of Bitter’s woke friends and neighbors I am making a general statement on a certain demographic, since I view the suburbs, at least those in major urban centers, as increasingly woke and hostile to Republicans, nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with the educational system and the media and woke corporations.:

    826. jason says:

      So comments about Bitter”

      There were no comments “about Bitter”.

    827. jason says:

      Saying I agree with Jason makes him so angry he has to pretend I don’t agree with him”

      Show me where in this conversation you called “chum” where I pretended you don’t agree with me.

      But it is funny, if you agree with me, that you call my comments “chum”.

    828. Bitterlaw says:

      Zzzzzzzz. Show me where I specifically said that greater GOP outreach to working class/minority voters was chum. It would make no sense to do that and then agree with it.

      More important question is where can my daughter find Polish water ice in Pittsburgh? I need CDM.

    829. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason – I am going to Pittsburgh at the end of the month. I am glad to make a detour to York to buy you lunch. I have met 3 posters and have several HHR FB friends. I’m tired of typing at each other. I would rather have a more direct discussion. You can give contact info to Dave.

    830. lisab says:

      i don’t think i have ever had a conversation with a suburban woman about how the poor could actually be helped by the government or “nanny state” policies

      but many have talked about beating the stoopid uneducated deplorables

      by which they mean you

    831. Bitterlaw says:

      Phil- I would meet with you, too, but you hate where I live and I will never go to Texas. I will send Tasty Kakes if you give Dave an address.

    832. Tgca says:

      841

      When is my good friend Bitter coming to south Floreedah to take me to lunch? I know a great tofu eatery…but they don’t serve Coke.

    833. lisab says:

      bitter killed the thread begging for friends

    834. Tina says:

      He needs to be in jail.

      Donald Trump Jr.
      @DonaldJTrumpJr
      · 1h
      EXCLUSIVE: New Fauci Email Proves He Funded Lab Training for Wuhan’s Most Deadly Lab.

      https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusive/foia-fauci-emails-reveal-galveston-lab-training-wuhan/

    835. Phil says:

      Sounds good, bitter. Thanks. My wife would particularly enjoy those.

    836. jason says:

      Bitter, don’t know if I will be around, I traveled 50% of the time pre-Covid and I am restarting. But let me know the date and maybe I will let you buy me lunch if I can find something that is Radnor compatible.

    837. jason says:

      Sinema tears Pelosi a new one…

      “Sen. Kyrsten Sinema skewered Democratic leadership on Saturday for delaying a vote on the bipartisan infrastructure package, calling the decision “inexcusable” and “deeply disappointing.”

      In a statement, the Arizona Democrat warned that delaying the vote only reduced trust within the party.

      “Democratic leaders have made conflicting promises that could not all be kept — and have, at times, pretended that differences of opinion within our party did not exist, even when those disagreements were repeatedly made clear directly and publicly,” Sinema said.”

    838. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason – Radnor-compatible? My main foods are pizza, hot dogs, and cheeseburgers. I once went on a vacation and had a cheeseburgers for lunch and dinner 6 days in a row. I can also go 2-3 days just drinking soda. Fat jokes from lisab in 3…2…1…

    839. Bitterlaw says:

      I will also eat fish & chips or salmon if pressed to be civilized. Shepherds pie is also good but is just the Irish cousin of the hamburger.

    840. Tgca says:

      851

      When my good friend Bitter takes me to lunch in south Floreedah, I will introduce him to the tastiest veggie burger he has evah had and he’ll never eat a cheeseburger again.

    841. Bitterlaw says:

      Sorry. You burned all the bridges between us. I will never eat a veggie burger. I will never go to Florida again. I have been there twice. Once to Tampa. Stayed in Madeira Beach. We were the only people under 70 in the hotel. Ugliest beach town I ever saw. Once to Disney World. Overrated but worth seeing once.

    842. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      853. “I will introduce him to the tastiest veggie burger he has evah had and he’ll never eat a cheeseburger again.”

      When Bitter finally visits Coronado, California, will take him to a fabulous steakhouse, where he can chow down on tasty beef and seafood. He will never eat rabbit food again, although I doubt there will even be a first time.

    843. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      @mchooyah

      The big issue with natural immunity is that nobody gets rich.

    844. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      @Rasmussen_Poll
      Good Morning ! Things sure look different for President Biden when you survey national Voters daily, not just national Adults occasionally, and you party weight close to the 2020 election – which was D+1 – (we are D+2) and not D+10 like @AP

    845. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Biden wants to adopt the foolish European energy policies that are resulting in blackouts:

      “The global energy crunch forced a German electricity producer to halt a power plant after it ran out of coal.

      “Steag GmbH closed its Bergkamen-A plant in the western part of the country this week due to shortages of hard coal, it said by email. The closure is the first sign that Europe may need to count on mild and windy weather to keep the lights on as the continent faces shortages of natural gas and coal.”

    846. Bitterlaw says:

      SDC – I have avoided 2 trips to Coronado. I will do everything I can to never go there or anywhere in California.

    847. Bitterlaw says:

      As long as I die before my sister-in-law and brother-in-law, there is no foreseeable reason to go to Coronado. If there is a funeral out there, I would have to attend.

    848. Tgca says:

      Ok. Dragging myself out of bed on this lazy Sunday morning after watching movies until 3AM so I can have my scrumptious scrambled tofu and eggs. YUMMEEE!!!

    849. jason says:

      I am almost comatose. Breakfast was epic. Amish bacon, Amish scrapple, country sausage and country ham, bacon, biscuits, Amish butter. Sorry, Amish, the coffee was Colombian.

      The Amish should start paying me for promoting their products. Instead, they don’t even take credit cards.

    850. jason says:

      Jason – Radnor-compatible? My main foods are pizza, hot dogs, and cheeseburgers.”

      I will start researching. I am sure somewhere will have organic pesto radicchio pizza drizzled with summer truffle oil, organic all Angus grass fed beef hot dogs and burgers on organic zucchini almond flour rolls just like Radnor.

    851. jason says:

      If I really wanted to torture Bitter I would take him to my favorite deplorable hot dog stand in Wormleysburg.

      Can you see Bitter eating the Dagwood?

      Dagwood
      Our deli dog placed in a roll of your choice, pulled pork barbeque with bacon.

      No, I can’t either. How about

      Bitch in Heat
      DEWZ red hot paste, mustard, onion, relish and ghost pepper BBQ sauce

      https://www.dewzdogz.com/

    852. Tgca says:

      So what changed? I’ll tell ya! Politics came home to roost on these fascist commissioners.

      Gainesville in early August voted 4-3 to require city employees take vaccine or lose their jobs. There were protests against the city and employees sued along with FL AG filing amicus briefs on their behalf in late August. In late September, a district court ordered an injunction against the mandate. City Commissioners then “reconsidered” their decision and voted 6-1 to rescind the vaccine mandate the same week of the injunction.

      The city now says it will look towards the guidance Biden has issued on vax and suggested they work with unions to see how they can get more folks to voluntarily take the vaccine.

      So bottom line is they realized they F*cked up and back down after they realized this would not be popular outcome for them.

      Nothing else change which suggests that this was always about power and not health and safety because if it were the latter, there would be no reason to back down.

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/10/02/desantis-win-gainesville-rescinds-city-vaccine-mandate/

    853. Tina says:

      Interestingly. India province and invermectin.

      It’s actually several drugs given in a kit to treat covid.
      Cost is $2.65.

      Big Fraudci Farma cannot handle it.

      https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout—part-v-the-secret-revealed/article_9a37d9a8-1fb2-11ec-a94b-47343582647b.html

    854. jason says:

      Wins hyperbolic rant of the year?

      Rolling Stone:

      “West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin just cooked the planet. I don’t mean that in a metaphorical sense. I mean that literally. Unless Manchin changes his negotiating position dramatically in the near future, he will be remembered as the man who, when the moment of decision came, chose to condemn virtually every living creature on Earth to a hellish future of suffering, hardship, and death.”

    855. jason says:

      Awwww, Mitt is disappointed in the Dems?

      GFY. what a slimebag.

      “Sen. Mitt Romney on Friday blasted House Democrats for blocking a bipartisan infrastructure bill due to disagreements within the party.

      The Utah Republican tweeted Friday that House Democrats made a “purely political decision” to block the $1.2 trillion bill, which he said is “much-needed broadly supported legislation to fix America’s crumbling infrastructure.”

      “It is unacceptable that a major piece of bipartisan legislation, which is vital to our economy and necessary to keep important transportation programs going, is being held hostage by the most extreme House Democrats for a completely unrelated and still unwritten piece of legislation,” Romney said.

      “What a profound disappointment, and how unfortunate to put politics over what is good for our country,” added Romney, the 2012 Republican presidential nominee.”

    856. Tgca says:

      The reason meat prices are soaring is because of scarcity and I figured it all out now.

      It’s not because the lack of workers or production output, it’s because Jadon is F*cking devouring gluttonous amounts of meat which is causing supply issues which then drives up the prices and leads to rationing.

      Luckily, there is a healthy and tasty alternative to this gluttony fueled price gouging of meat called tofu.

      Praise Lord Jesus!

    857. Phil says:

      The Rasmussen folks are correct. D+1 was what the exits showed in 2020. I think I said Rasmussen was using D+4 in their current polling when, in fact, they are using D+2. No matter. It’s a helluva lot more accurate than the D+8 to D+10 some of the other polls are using or even the D+5 or D+6 that seems to be standard for most polling outfits.

      Point is, Biden’s presidency is in real trouble. He’s -20 among independents in any poll you want to look at. That says it all.

      This reconciliation bill crammed full of socialist trash isn’t going to save him and the media’s gaslighting that it will isn’t reality. It’s wishful thinking. The two to three week media pause in defending Biden during the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal allowed Americans a window to actually objectively evaluate Biden and his administration without the usual hack media spin. It was all that was needed to let the genie out of the bottle.

    858. Phil says:

      Oh, and screw Romney. Only half the trillion and a half “bipartisan infrastructure bill” actually went to the roads and bridges sort of spending. What a tool.

    859. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason – I never put anything on a hot dog. No condiments. Just hot dog and the roll.

      Organic pizza? I don’t even want to know what that is. Just need pepperoni and sausage. Any local joint should have that.

      Or we can go to any diner. If a 5 year old would like it, I will be fine.

    860. Tgca says:

      866 Tina

      I’ve been reading about this treatment in this very populated state of India for weeks and their success compared to other parts of the country. That along with recent guidelines in respected medical journals on the use of Ivermectin by many countries and medical professionals throughout the world after numerous studies show overall Ivermectin plays a key role in reducing hospitalizations and fatalities from Covid.

      However, here in the US, it appears many doctors refuse to consider it because they’re lead around by the nose by Dr. Fow-chee and the CDC telling them what works and does not.

      If these cases around the world are even somewhat accurate, then it is criminal that the US bureaucrats won’t even consider studying it as they instead rely on the false premise from their friends in Big Pharma that an ineffective vax with continued boosters that can’t protect us from Covid transmission is the only solution to manage Covid.

      The vax failed it’s goal and gives false comfort in folks believing they are protected from Covid and is the reason we probably will have continued variants that could potentially lead to more deadly and vax resistant variants over time.

      This is all about power and money and not about REAL science. That’s why there’s been an effort in the US to try and block information sharing on other potential solutions.

    861. Tina says:

      Tgca, one of the biggest critiques of Fraudci was during the aids crisis in the 1980s, he (and Dr. Briquette) failed to come up with adequate therapeutics.

      Those treatment options are interesting.

      It’s also interesting that they are pushing booster shots, so Pfizer gets another $10 billion.

    862. jason says:

      “It’s not because the lack of workers or production output, it’s because Jadon is F*cking devouring gluttonous amounts of meat which is causing supply issues which then drives up the prices and leads to rationing.”

      Survival of the fittest.

    863. Tgca says:

      872

      If a 5 year old would like it, I will be fine.

      FINALLY!!! Bitter admits his childish behavior…though I was thinking more adolescent than kindergarten but I’ll accept it either way.

      I’ve been VINDICATED!!!

      Thank you Lord Jesus!

    864. Tgca says:

      875. Jadon

      You had typo. I think you meant:

      Survival of the FATTEST!

    865. Tina says:

      Is Mitchie aware of this? A fraudulent President at 40% approval?

      Chad Pergram
      @ChadPergram
      · 6m
      Barrasso on Fox: We’re at a point where the President is weak, and really, Bernie Sanders, the far left Democrats are driving the bus and Joe Biden is just along for the ride.

    866. Tgca says:

      874. Tina

      Yes. Dr. Fow-chee put all his focus on pretty much one solution that ravaged the body, AZT, and refused to consider other potential treatments, like a cocktail of drugs similar to what is used today in AIDS treatment protocol. I’m not saying they would have all been successful at those early times but my gut tells me it was possible that a more effective treatment could have been determined sooner had he shown some flexibility in research.

      Fow-chee is like Biden, a cantankerous old man so set in his ways and part of the bureaucracy for so long that he does not realize he lacks the judgment to facilitate potential viable solutions beyond what he believes is obvious.

      I just discussed this with a friend of mine who worked in Big Pharma for decades who agrees this is pretty much all about making money.

    867. Tina says:

      And no mean tweets.

      Arthur Schwartz
      @ArthurSchwartz
      ·
      31m
      Punchbowl News’
      @bresreports
      : Democrats on the Hill say Biden’s team is “incredibly toxic, they don’t know what they’re doing.”

      The adults are back!

    868. Phil says:

      The Chinese are now flying fighters into Taiwan air space on a daily basis – 30 to 40 just yesterday. This action was condemned by multiple western countries. There was one country which was a notable exception. Want to guess which one?

      I don’t believe the Chinese will invade Taiwan. Too costly. I do think the sorties into Taiwan air space are designed to intimidate Taiwan…as well as gage our response. If they do invade it will be because they see a window here with the weakest American leader in history occupying the WH. Weakness invites aggression. Always has.

      Riding with Biden.

    869. jason says:

      You had typo. I think you meant:

      Survival of the FATTEST!”

      You really are no expert at nutrition.

      Protein does not make you fat. Nor does fat.

      Sugar makes you fat.

    870. Tgca says:

      883

      Hey dumbo! Excess fat in your diet not used by the body for energy consumption gets stored as fat, as does excess protein and excess sugar. This is anatomy and/or nutrition 101.

      Nobody is saying eat more carbs, as they also get converted to fat and retain unnecessary levels of body water as does excess salt.

      I’ll have to go back to my college and ask for a refund because of all those science courses I took in anatomy, nutrition, and chemistry are now to determined to have been inaccurate because one of our HHR posters follows fad diets off the internet that says excessive food consumption of fats and proteins do not get converted to fat in the human body.

      Apparently my BS in science and math is now useless thanks to the internet gurus pushing fad diets to stoopid people telling them that excess consumption of fat and protein won’t create fat tissue in the body.

      We’ll also have to alert the American Heart Association that monitoring triglycerides as part of heart health is no longer needed because fad diets say they are not fat related or don’t contribute to heart disease as evidenced in thousands of studies over many decades.

    871. Robbie says:

      RNC Research
      @RNCResearch
      · 58m
      REPORTER: “But we can gather for Christmas or it’s just too soon to tell?”

      ANTHONY FAUCI: “It’s just too soon to tell”

      – How many more presidential medals of freedom does Jason fraud want to give Fauci?

    872. Tgca says:

      I’ll also have to tell the American Endocrinology Association that a diet high in fat has nothing to do with liver disease and that the consumption of excess fatty foods have nothing to do with fatty liver tissue disease in most people overweight and on diets not metabolically balanced with appropriate fat, protein, and sugar levels.

      …and we’ll have to tell medical professionals don’t worry about excess protein consumption impact on the kidneys as well, as the excess consumption of protein associated with unhealthy diets on kidney disease is just a coincidence.

      Those pesky metabolic panels used to measure an array of impacts on body chemistry are useless. Just follow the fad diets on the internet geared to stoopid people and all will be just fine.

    873. Tgca says:

      885

      Sorry Robbie!

      As much as I think Dr. Fow-chee is an incompetent bureaucrat that has misguided leaders with inaccurate science guidance and probably made the pandemic impacts worse, I agree with him on Christmas.

      It’s too early for Christmas!

      We haven’t even celebrated two of our most important sacred cultural Holidays – Halloween, a national holiday for gay men, and Thanksgiving, a national holiday for people to eat until they drop.

    874. jason says:

      Amoral Scumbag really unhinged with Biden’s poll numbers and the problems with passing the $3.5 trillion boondoggle.

    875. jason says:

      ’ll have to go back to my college and ask for a refund”

      Yes, please do, your antiquated ideas that “carbs are good” and “fat is bad” have been debunked years ago.

      But don’t forget to load up on margarine and hydrogenated fats, I am sure you were told they are better than butter for your health.

    876. Wobbles says:

      Some people really have their priorities screwed up.

      I want to talk about Stormy, Russian Collusion, Avenatti, Ukraine, Jan 6, you know, the pressing issues of the day there are all the headlines here in Bogo Pogo.

    877. jason says:

      Another Sunday with no Black national anthem, without endless lectures from self entitled millionaire players, owners, coaches, and sports MSM about how racist I am, without woke messages in the end zone, without ads by woke corporations instructing me in what I should believe in.

      Liberating.

    878. jason says:

      “Joe Biden Nominates a Communist to Regulate US Banks”

      Normal.

    879. mnw says:

      “Biden’s JA among TX Hispanics drops to 36%. Only 26% approve of his border policy.”

      Caveat: it’s some rightwing poll by an outfit I never heard of: “The American Patriots Freedom From Tyranny poll”

    880. mnw says:

      (actually it was Quinnipiac)

    881. Cash Cow TM says:

      “Point is, Biden’s presidency is in real trouble. He’s -20 among independents in any poll you want to look at.”

      Despite the infighting by some in both the D and R parties, most are locked in as to strongly supporting their party’s candidate or office holder.

      OTOH, the Indies are people who by and large:

      1. are easily disgusted with political infighting between Ds and Rs and WITHIN each party.

      2. Are not as ideologically wedded to the official D and R party positions

      3. favor getting solutions to problems and have issues quickly and favorably addressed by those in power.

      4. Are quick to turn on those presidents they have as a group favored (just months before in the election) if they do not deliver on campaign promises.

      ******************************************
      HOPEFULLY, these Indy voters will take it out on the president the only way they can–by voting for R candidates every chance they get between now and Nov. 2024.

      ##############################################
      Which is a big reason why Cow is leaning toward calling the VA governor’s race for Youngkin (R).

    882. jason says:

      Pass the popcorn.

      “Representative Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” that she would not vote for the Democrats reconciliation bill if it included the Hyde Amendment, which banned federal spending to go toward abortion.

      Anchor Dana Bash said, “Senator Joe Manchin said this weekend that this reconciliation bill, the bill we are talking about, must include the Hyde amendment, which bans federal dollars to go for abortions. He said, ‘Yeah, we are not taking the Hyde amendment off. Hyde’s going to be in. It has to be. It has to be. It’s dead on arrival if this is gone.’

    883. jason says:

      Nate Silverhack’s average has Youngkin only down by 3, which with like 10% undecided is not very reassuring for McAuliffe. On the other hand, of the last 10 polls, only one shows Youngkin ahead, I think mnw made this point. Let’s see if the education issue has any impact, it would only take a small shift to move Youngkin into a tie.

    884. jason says:

      Predictit has McAuliffe as a 75-25 favorite.’

      I make it more like 60-40.

    885. jason says:

      “HOPEFULLY, these Indy voters will take it out on the president the only way they can–by voting for R candidates every chance they get between now and Nov. 2024.”

      Here is one Indy voter who won’t be taking that advice.

    886. mnw says:

      I’m hoping the massive TV & internet publicity given to Jayapal might subliminally cause voters to picture HER when they see the word “Democrat”?

    887. Cash Cow TM says:

      COVID related story count today:

      9 on DRUDGE
      7 on AOL news

      Told ya!

      My sources were RIGHT about the big secret meeting of the MSM-LSD group and how they now realize focusing on COVID in HURTING, not helping to prop up Biden.

      I think it is so ironic that everyone wanted to give big honors to health care workers, police, fire, truck drivers, etc. who were working UNVACCINATED DURING COVID last year, and NOW MANY OF THESE SAME PEOPLE FORMERLY PRAISING THOSE UN-JABBED WORKERS NOW ARE HAPPY THEY WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS!

    888. Cash Cow TM says:

      “Let’s see if the education issue has any impact…”

      Right after the VA governor debates, Youngkin already had a good TV ad up showing McAweful saying “parents should have no say in what their kids are taught.”

    889. lisab says:

      what about the lisab amendment?

      that says that 100% of the infrastructure bill must go to actual infrastructure

      and that companies only get paid based on project completion, not by time spent, and only get paid after the work is done

      e.g. we just finished paving a mile of road, and it passed inspection, here is your money for 1 mile of road

      plus, companies are hired via competitive bids

    890. lisab says:

      i also propose our military should be trained to destroy chinese and russian targets, not given pronoun training

    891. mnw says:

      Some restaurants in the STL area are so desperate for help that they’re offering to pay new workers at the end of every SHIFT– immediately.

      I saw an apparently able bodied Caucasian male begging near Barnes-Jewish Hospital last week, with “Will work for food” sign, of course.

      It occurred to me that if he put down the sign and walked 3 blocks to the nearby Hardys, he could have money in his pocket in 8 hours– and I’m sure they’d let him have some leftover burgers too.

    892. Tgca says:

      As usual, Jadon misunderstands what he reads.

      Here’s a guy that has no training in science but links to selected articles on the net in which he misses the point and then embarrassingly posts them to make the point of those he is debating against on the issue.

      This doctor referenced in the linked article claims, based on his 2017 published book using science from the early 2000s and onward:

      That conclusion makes even more sense when we look at what happens when people try to trim the fat from their diets. In general, they just end up swapping rich or creamy ingredients with foods filled with sugar and carbs.

      Part of the problem lies in what happens with the rest of our diet when we suddenly try to eat only low-fat foods.

      Nowhere does he say substitute a balanced diet for a HIGH fat diet. He talks about the dangers of a low fat diet.

    893. Tgca says:

      907

      The good doctor further says:

      …on average, the more refined grains someone ate (like those from processed cereals and granola bars), the more weight they tended to gain over the study period.

      So while “low-fat” products are all marketed as weight-loss tools, the reality is these products may contribute much more to weight gain than a fat-rich product with fewer refined carbs.

      Again, nowhere does he say substitute a balanced diet for a HIGH fat diet. He talks about the dangers of a low fat diet.

    894. jason says:

      He talks about the dangers of a low fat diet”

      Me too.

    895. Tgca says:

      909

      Finally, the good doctor says:

      The take home message here is that fat is a critical diet ary ingredient, while sugar despite being omni present in dozens of everyday foods is not.

      Again, nowhere does he say substitute a balanced diet for a HIGH fat diet. He talks about the dangers of a low fat diet.

    896. jason says:

      I am all for balanced diets.

      This is why I eat various cuts of pork, I like to balance it out.

    897. Tgca says:

      910

      Nowhere does the good doctor claim to eat MORE fatty diets. He claims replacing diets containing fat with diets high in carbs are bad which is something many of us have known for decades since unused excess carbs are converted to fat and also result in excess water retention both of which lead to weight gain. Thats why when people fast, the 1st thing they lose is excess water retained from sugar and salt even though fat loss has not yet occurred since it takes about burning 3,500 calories to lose a pound of fat and that has been a scientific constant for decades.

      So the moral of the story is do not replace fat in diets with high carb diets and don’t replace balanced diets with HIGH fat diets because both will lead to weight gain.

      This is consistent with everything I’ve posted on this matter.

      So I scientifically rebutted Jadon’s dumb comment in 883 that says fat and protein does not make you fat. Jadon misunderstood what he read.

      The doctor actually references healthy fats from avocados and nuts which are main staples in my diet, as I eat both daily. He does not discuss in the articles I saw eating HIGH fat diets with processed meats which seem to be the staple of Jadon’s diet.

    898. Bitterlaw says:

      All this discussion about nutrition but Tgca and Jason both ignore the importance of soda. A 12 ounce can only has 140 calories but can fuel you through the afternoon.

    899. Bitterlaw says:

      I do not eat tomatoes but my wife does. The plants refuse to die and keep producing too many tomatoes.

    900. jason says:

      Tgca has a balanced diet too.

      He balances his sugar diet with glucose, sucrose and fructose.

    901. Bitterlaw says:

      Lease a car versus buy a car. Discuss.

    902. jason says:

      Superbowl 2022 half time show will feature Grete Thunberg and AOC singing the Internationale.

    903. jason says:

      I always lease. No brainer.

    904. jason says:

      You don’t have a capital outlay, and you can afford a nicer car than buying one. You don’t lose 20% of the car value driving out of the dealership.

      Basically for between 10 and 15 bucks a day you have a great car and no worries.

      I haven’t “owned” a car in 10 years, would never go back.

      Caveat: with the car shortage going on, leasing prices have probably gone up.

      Caveat 2: On the other hand the residual value of the car is now going to be lower than the actual value. So let’s say you have the option to buy the car for $20k at the end of a 3 year lease, because of the shortage of used cars that car might be worth $25k now.

    905. Tgca says:

      915

      My diet is more balanced than your unhealthy processed cured salty greasy meats that numerous recent studies shown are linked to various cancers and heart disease and your refusal to eat healthy greens.

      I eat mainly all fresh organic foods like eggs for protein and get an abundant supply of fat from healthy fats in avocados and nuts which I eat daily. I also eat mostly green veggies and just a tad bit of fruits like fresh strawberries and blueberries which are extremely high in antioxidants. I rarely eat breads or pastas or any grains since though they have certain benefits, they can also lead to other issues in excess.

      I do not drink sodas or flavored drinks or alcohols which are all empty calories that will get stored as fat if you do not burn sufficient energy to consume them.

      My metabolic panels every 6 months show all my numbers look good with everything in the normal range compared to many folks over 40 with high glucose, cholesterol, triglycerides, etc.

      Publish your metabolic panels sometimenand let’s look at how truly healthy your diet is. If you have high cholesterol, triglycerides, glucose, or fatty liver issues, that’s usually because of diet absent any serious disease.

    906. Bitterlaw says:

      I always buy. Average more than 15,000 miles a year. Current Jeep is 10 years old/160k miles. Last Jeep before that was 11 years old with 160k miles. There is a lease option for 15,000 miles per year so I would be up against that. It will come down to what it will cost to fix Jeep. I would rather keep it because it is the right size.

    907. jason says:

      Bitter if you are looking for something stylish I recommend the Weavertown Coach Shop in Ronks, great selection.

      https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x89c6394a20ab9667%3A0x27b915ca7a5c38ba!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPcx4sQl-vp_U7gcrng3yFxHoAIId2pee4nc-fI%3Dw240-h320-k-no!5sweavertown coach shop pictures – Google Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipP4cOlQcgIjVWwtn7huGJj1FB1nvyxopWcwvMIK&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQoZT_-K7zAhX2GFkFHZqzAm4Qoip6BAhDEAM

    908. Tgca says:

      913

      Soda are empty calories and will sooner or later lead to unhealthy consequences if you indulge in it over balanced diets.

      Tomatoes can be good for some but can be problematic for certain blood-types or those with acid reflux. They are heart healthy and do contain vital antioxidants and lycopene that reduce inflammation and fight certain cancers.

    909. Bitterlaw says:

      I do appreciate jason’s advice so I will not say GFY.

    910. jason says:

      I always get 15k/year. If you go over not a big deal, most I ever went over was 3k miles or $600.

    911. lisab says:

      tgca,

      mind your own beeswax

      if bitter wants to drink soda that is none of your concern

    912. Bitterlaw says:

      I drink soda every day. I don’t eat food every day.

      Jason – Does the buggy come XM radio?

    913. lisab says:

      forget about cars

      option a:

      let someone else take care of our lawn for $50 a week

      option b:

      hubby gleefully runs down to home depot and buys a huge amount of manly man stuff, and then “works” on the yard all day

      (sigh)

    914. jason says:

      Tgca looks like a scarecrow, drinks maple syrup shots and fake food loaded with harmful carcinogens and chemicals and thinks he eats a healthy diet.

    915. lisab says:

      no joke, i’ve heard the men folk discuss the pros and cons of lawnmowers here

      i’m in hell

    916. jason says:

      Jason – Does the buggy come XM radio?”

      Yes, but it is pre-programmed to Mennonite Radio.

    917. Tgca says:

      All this crap about diets being said, it’s also your genetics or environmental exposure and mental health that often decides quality of life.

      Many healthy people live shortened lives because of other diseases diet alone can’t overcome. Some people who never smoked get lung cancer. Some men succumb to breast cancer, though rare.

      I’ve known a number of young healthy people to otherwise get diseases and die in their teens and twenties.

      I knew a woman who smoked daily into her seventies and then lived to 95 though she did get Alzheimer’s. Her husband smoked all his life and died of lung cancer that metastasized in his early 60s. Over a 30-year difference for a couple with the same eating habits and lifestyle so who knows how these things individually impact us all.

    918. lisab says:

      oh and people in the suburbs have dogs

      someone somehow accidentally spilled cayenne pepper on my lawn

      and at 5 am last week my neighbor’s dog started barking and whining uncontrollably

      it was an accident 🙂

    919. Bitterlaw says:

      So all this discussion about diet is a Zzzzzzzzzz unless you hit the genetics lottery. Eat well with bad genes? Doomed. Eat poorly with good genes? Might be doomed but at least you enjoyed eating.

    920. Tgca says:

      930

      Adding a tablespoon of organic maple syrup rich in minerals to food about once a week hardly does any harm since it’s only like 10 grams of carbs for a total of 50 calories. The benefits of organic maple syrup have been around for centuries. One small glass of beer is like 3 times more empty carbs than a table spoon of organic maple syrup without any significant nutritious value.

      Please provide one food that is a staple of my diet that contains carcinogens and chemicals.

      We know from numerous studies, recent ones too, that cured meats like bacon, sausage and charred cook foods are carcinogenic. That’s your diet and then you top it off with salts and grease, and then you wonder why you have bad cholesterol numbers, probably triglycerides too.

    921. jason says:

      Hampton Roads Black Caucus endorses Youngkin in VA.

    922. Tgca says:

      935

      You forgot volume.

      Eat to live, not live to eat.

      Most nutritious issues in the west result from overeating and eating unbalanced meals.

      But it’s all in the cards too. If you’re blessed with good genes and an ability to manage stress, you’ll most likely be fine for a good long life, all else equal. If not, oh well…poop happens!

    923. jason says:

      One small glass of beer is like 3 times more empty carbs than a table spoon of organic maple syrup without any significant nutritious value.”

      BS. I for one drink it exclusively for health benefits.

      Beer is highly nutritious.

      Potential Health Benefits of Beer

      As mentioned, beer is a rich source of vitamins and minerals, and some also contain antioxidants. Research supports a number of potential health benefits to drinking moderate amounts of beer:

      Lower Risk of Heart Disease

      “Several reviews have suggested that consuming one to two beers a day may help lower your risk of heart disease. In fact, beer may be as effective at improving general heart health as wine at comparable alcohol levels.

      One study showed that one drink a day lowered the risk of all-cause mortality for women and up to two beers a day produced the same results for men. While one study is not enough to identify the cause for this, research is promising.

      Improved Blood Sugar Levels

      Drinking light amounts of alcohol may help reduce the risk of developing diabetes and help people with diabetes control their blood sugar more effectively. One study showed that one to two alcoholic drinks a day could lower the risk of developing diabetes by as much as 50%.

      This effect is strongest for low-sugar beers, such as light beers, so pay attention to the type of beer you drink.

      Increased Bone Strength

      Early research suggests that moderate amounts of beer may help strengthen bones for men and postmenopausal women. This may be because alcohol in general, in moderate amounts, can help your bones. But this benefit sharply drops when consumption passes two drinks a day, so moderation is key.”

    924. Tgca says:

      937

      Saw that yesterday. In 2013 they endorsed McCauliffe and in 2017nthey endorsed Northam. Now they switched to the GOP. A bit embarrassing but not the end of the world.

    925. jason says:

      And of course, if 2 beers is good, 4 beers is excellent, 6 beers phenomenal.

      It’s just a question of math.

    926. jason says:

      We have to ban knives and baseball bats.

      DAVENPORT, Fla. (AP) — Authorities said Sunday a third victim has died following a violent attack where an angry electrician wielding a knife and baseball bat killed three co-workers and injured another at the Florida home they shared.”

    927. Tgca says:

      939

      Beer is empty calories that can lead to fat storage. As much as two glasses a day can lead to unnecessary weight gain unless you cut calories elsewhere. Two beers a day on a standard otherwise 2,000 calories diet is 15% more caloric intake then needed.

      The fact that it has some beneficial properties is offset by the levels people drink that outweighs it’s benefits. More than 2 glasses of beer a day is not recommended and borders on alcoholism. Same with wine.

      Smoking calms people and reduces stress but it would hardly be considered a healthy alternative to other sources of stress reduction.

      Same thing for marijuana. Relaxes but much more detrimental on the lungs and destruction of brain cells than cigarettes.

      So you’re cherry picking here.

      My point was I was making a comparison of the health benefits of limited quantities of organic maple syrup used for centuries and not the processed fake syrup that is cheap and widely used today. Quality organic syrup is about $20+ for a quart. People don’t spend that much money on junk that has no health benefits or consume it in large quantities. My jar of organic maple syrup lasts at least 4 to 6 months, if not longer. That’s like a quarter ounce a day or 25 calories a day which is like a 1/4 slice of bread.

      Again, you struggle with reading comprehension and distort statements.

    928. Tgca says:

      941

      4 to 6 beers just once a week can add about 15 pounds a year in weight gain, all else equal. That’s why you often see weekend beer drinkers with beer bellies, even thinner people, because these empty calories contribute to weight gain over time just from a night or two out a week having drinks.

      Calories are calories! If you take in beer weekly, you need to offset it with other caloric reduction or you will gain weight. The problem is beer generally does not replace hunger needs so most people have beer in excess of food.

      Your attempt at humor aside, drinking more beer does not equate to more health benefits either any more than taking more dosage of medicine means it’s beneficial.

    929. jason says:

      Ma, the bait is really good, so far every line has caught something.

    930. Tgca says:

      942

      Actually, I just saw the crime statistics on US deaths and significantly more people are killed with knives, blunt instruments like bats, and physical assault from body limbs such as hands and legs than with rifles like an AR 15.

      So we should ban knives, bats, hammers, hands and feet too.

    931. jason says:

      I must have good genes, weigh the same for the last 20 years.

    932. Tgca says:

      945

      Jadon rolls out the “Ma” cry when he gets schooled on the gory details.

      That’s ok! Engwish is his 2nd language and we know he’s a mental midget so we let his lack of comprehension skills slide.

    933. jason says:

      And of course, if 2 beers is good, 4 beers is excellent, 6 beers phenomenal.

      It’s just a question of math.”

      Ma, I am surprised this worked…

    934. jason says:

      Ma, sometimes the fish are real morons.

    935. Tgca says:

      947

      So you’ve been obese for 20 years?

    936. jason says:

      Tgca, I usually drink 2 martinis a night, 3 or 4 beers on Sundays.

      That is way down from 10 years ago, and about as low as I want to go.

      I understand about alcohol and calories, was just pulling your chain.

    937. lisab says:

      So we should ban knives, bats, hammers, hands and feet too.
      —————

      don’t give them ideas … we will all have to use chopsticks

    938. jason says:

      I have never been obese in my life. Or even overweight.

      GFY.

    939. jason says:

      Chopsticks are dangerous.

    940. lisab says:

      I have never been obese in my life. Or even overweight.
      ———————

      pretty sure that was directed at bitter

    941. Tgca says:

      952

      I acknowledged your humor in my post.

      But now we see you’re admitting to being a drunk so that explains a lot.

      By the way, shaken or stirred?

    942. jason says:

      Shaken

    943. lisab says:

      stirred, anti-clockwise

    944. jason says:

      Good for Cow’s Governor..

      “No chance,” Justice said in response to Brennan’s questions about why his administration would not consider following California’s lead in mandating vaccinations for children ages 12 to 17.

      “I truly believe that the mandates only divide us and only divide us more. From the standpoint of mandates, I don’t believe in imposing upon our freedoms over and over and over,” he said after chastising Brennan for her line of questioning.

      Saying Americans had “to stand up for who we are,” Justice added: “For crying out loud, we’re Americans.”

    945. Tgca says:

      958

      Tsk! Tsk!

      You should never shake a martini! Only the low class IGORENT people shake martinis.

      Martinis are meant to be stirred to enrich the flavor and content but over the years the classless people began drinking them and shaking them I’m told.

      Mind as well call it a ghetto or white trash martini.

      Take it from me, an EXPERT, who was a NYC certified bartender in my yoot that was officially trained via elite NYC bartending education.

    946. Tgca says:

      …I was not trampy local bartender in a NYC local dump like AOC.

      I had class! I was somebody!

      I did high society functions for the well to do, and the men of status in fine suits would engage me in my craft while more often than not, their snobbish bishes in gowns and diamonds and pearls would just stick their glasses out for refills of their wine spritzers and pretend to be engaged otherwise so as not to fraternize with the help.

      I even made drinks for Charles Schwab at a party one night, my most famous drink client.

      I wonder if he remembers me after all these decades. Hmmm…

      https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1011816089230209024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1011816089230209024%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Falexandria-ocasio-cortez-used-to-be-a-bartender-2018-6

    947. jason says:

      Zzzzzz…

      Tgca pretends to know more about martinis than James Bond.

    948. mnw says:

      Let’s Go, Brandon!

    949. jason says:

      Moonbats film Sinema going to the bathroom in AZ.

      I am sure that will convince her to accept their demands.

    950. jason says:

      white trash martini.”

      I like it.

    951. jason says:

      Shaking the dirty martini not only blends it well but makes it icy cold.

      Tgca, who drinks shots of maple syrup, can GFH.

    952. Wes says:

      You know things have gotten weird when HHR is arguing about the proper way to prepare martinis.

    953. lisab says:

      shaking dilutes the alcohol

      and allows the bartender to use bottom shelf gin/vodka

    954. jason says:

      I make my martinis myself. I rarely cheat.

    955. lisab says:

      by shaking you lose the top note flavours, and some of the middle notes

      you are basically removing flavour and watering down the drink

      which is why you can use cheaper vodka/gin, because you are removing flavour anyway, so cheap alcohol is ok

    956. Bitterlaw says:

      You know things have gotten weird when HHR is arguing about the proper way to prepare martinis.

      Wes – This is what happens when I am not involved in the fights. It might get really heated if jason has three martinis.

    957. Bitterlaw says:

      You know things have gotten weird when HHR is arguing about the proper way to prepare martinis.

      Wes – This is what happens when I am not involved in the fights. It might get really heated if jason has three or four martinis.

    958. Bitterlaw says:

      At this rate, expect HHR to break into factions debating whether Pride and Prejudice is better or worse than Sense and Sensibility.

    959. jason says:

      Bitter hasn’t mentioned the Eagles. Did they lose again?

      Bitter to say I want to discuss football with him in 3, 2, 1…

    960. jason says:

      lisab probably never had a martini.

    961. lisab says:

      lisab probably never had a martini.
      ————————————

      hello … i was the last woman standing at the whiskey priest

    962. jason says:

      by shaking you lose the top note flavours, and some of the middle notes”

      Zzzzzzz…..what a load of BS. In reality, most martini “experts’ recommend you stir martinis with ice also, so the dilution occurs for both methods.

      https://www.cooksillustrated.com/features/8529-martinis-should-be-stirred-not-shaken-but-for-how-long

      I prefer it quickly shaken with just enough ice to render it very cold.

      https://punchdrink.com/articles/go-ahead-shake-your-martini-negroni-manhattan-cocktail-recipe/

    963. Bitterlaw says:

      Once again, it is Jason who brings up football. Not me. He can look up the scores.

    964. jason says:

      A slight dilution actually brings out MORE flavors, not less.

      “Why does a colder, more dilute cocktail exhibit a broader spectrum of flavors and aromas? First, chilling makes the harsh-tasting ethanol less volatile and assertive, allowing more pleasant, subtle flavors to come through. Second, the ethanol in gin (and other spirits like scotch and whiskey) dissolves some of the water-insoluble aroma compounds. Diluting with water (from the ice) drives these molecules (and their aromas) out of the solution and into the air.”

    965. jason says:

      Ma, the Bitterfish went for that bait like a maggot to roadkill.

    966. jason says:

      No martinis tonight, although the conversation makes me crave one.

      But I am having beer while I watch Alaskan Bush People.

    967. jason says:

      Bitter is in a bad mood? The Eagles must have lost.

    968. jason says:

      I will drink single malts neat, zero dilution.

    969. jason says:

      Speaking of single malts, what happened to dblaikie?

    970. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason – I am not going to discuss football with you. So you can play your games every Sunday but there is no point in it.

    971. lisab says:

      most martini “experts’ recommend you stir martinis with ice also, so the dilution occurs for both methods
      —————/——

      actually not. when you stir a alcohol forward cocktail, you stir it such that the spoon does not chip the ice, with the back of the spoon against the glass at all times

      while shaking a drink intentionally increases aeration and bruising the liquid, which is appropriate for fruity drinks like daiquiris

      bartending 101

    972. Tgca says:

      As I said, shaken martinis are for the unsophisticated trashy IGORENT people.

      Stirred martinis are for the refined sophisticated people with proper drinking etiquette.

      Just to let you know the kind of people we’re dealing with here folks, if invited to a dinner party at Buckingham Palace, Jadon is the kind of guy that would ask for second servings of the pork loin entree, lick his fingers, continue eating after the Queen puts down her fork, and ask for a doggie bag to go.

    973. jason says:

      while shaking a drink intentionally increases aeration and bruising the liquid, which is appropriate for fruity drinks like daiquiris ”

      BS.

    974. jason says:

      I love when people who don’t know a thing about drinking or bartending give advice on making drinks and bartending.

    975. Tgca says:

      987

      I like the new LisaB – Little Miss Manners.

      HHR’s very own Emily Post I thay.

      I bet she can walk elegantly in heels with a book balanced on her head too.

    976. jason says:

      Jadon is the kind of guy that would ask for second servings of the pork loin entree, lick his fingers, continue eating after the Queen puts down her fork, and ask for a doggie bag to go.”

      Puhhhhhleeeze, at Buckingham Palace they serve lamb, not pork.

      And yes, I go for seconds and the doggie bag.

    977. lisab says:

      for those confused by the stirring vs shaking

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BCzLkSkG0Fs

      fruity drinks shake

      classic cocktails (without fruit) stir

    978. Bitterlaw says:

      I have no stake in the martini battle. However, I think lisab disqualified herself by drinking a chick drink – chocolate martinis.

    979. jason says:

      I don’t drink fruity drinks.

      And I think martinis need to be shaken for best results.

    980. Tgca says:

      990

      If your comment was directed at me, Fook you Jadon!

      I was a bartender for a few years working high end social events where I had to dress in tux outfits and make fancy drinks for rich people unlike AOC in her trashy NYC bar had to give Hot Shots, Sex on the Beach, and Blow Jobs to her lowlife customers.

      I don’t remember all the craft but I could mix a drink to perfection and would often have rich older men…old to me at the time because they were like 40+ and I was like 24 to 26.

    981. jason says:

      I bet lisab drinks merlot, not martinis.

    982. jason says:

      Tgca doesn’t even drink.

      I bet I have forgotten more about mixing drinks than he would ever learn even if he started learning now.

    983. jason says:

      It’s like people who never had sex giving sex advice.

    984. jason says:

      was a bartender for a few years working high end social events where I had to dress in tux outfits and make fancy drinks for rich people ”

      Zzzzz… you were a flunky server at catered events? That little table with about 10 bottles?

      I am sorry, that is not real bartender work.

      A real bartender works in a real bar.

      GFY.

    985. Tina says:

      Class 5 felony offense in Arizona (videotaping without one’s consent in a bathroom) plus the person is illegally here in the country,

      Raheem J. Kassam
      @RaheemKassam
      ·
      1h
      The President radicalised his supporters to harass female members of Congress in their toilets.

    986. jason says:

      I hope it pisses Sinema off.

    987. jason says:

      Jason – I am not going to discuss football with you. So you can play your games every Sunday but there is no point in it.”

      Translation: the Eagles must have lost again.

      It must be tough, watching woke messages for hours and harangued about being a racist and then still losing the game.

    988. Tgca says:

      I bet Wes likes the fruity drinks that compliment his pomegranate juice binging and red wine sipping.

      I was always a bourbon and soda man myself and didn’t drink wine…but I could make an awesome Long Island iced tea I was told.

      I do admit that if having dessert while dining out, I would occasionally indulge in a black or white Russia or Baileys Irish Creme or a top shelf brandy…but I have given up the wicked Devils Brew and have had no alcohol in over 20 years except for the occasional swig of NyQuil when allergies or a bug set in.

    989. jason says:

      If I was a lobster, I would be offended.

      “Oct. 2—A shipment of Maine lobster has been identified by Chinese media as a likely culprit for the start of the coronavirus pandemic, a claim a Maine official called “nonsensical.”

    990. jason says:

      would occasionally indulge in a black or white Russia or Baileys Irish Creme or a top shelf brand”

      Gayest post of the….

      Oh wait…

    991. jason says:

      Also it is called a Black or White Russian, not Russia, Mr. Fake Bartender.

    992. Tgca says:

      1000

      Part of bartending certification requires mixing all varieties of drinks to precision and I’ve made a lot of the trendy drinks for the younger crowd in these catering houses that often carried high end labels for their elite clients as well. You can mix hundreds of drinks with a stacked bar of 25 or so liquors as most drinks don’t require exotic alcohols.

      In my time, I could pour an ounce by feel and sight and mix a drink to the rim of the glass without any leftovers.

      It’s the different of a cook at the Olive Garden and a 5 star restaurant. Clearly, you’re an Olive Garden kinda guy.

      Many of your common bar types are sloppy bartenders spilling booze all over the place and overpowering drinks for tips with no proper training on what alcohols go best together. Think AOC. That’s your typical bartender Jadon is used to.

    993. Tgca says:

      1007 It’s an auto correction you moron!

    994. Bitterlaw says:

      Maybe Tgca was trained by Tom Cruise.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7lkzyGV2XdE

    995. Tgca says:

      1000

      No! I worked full stacked bars that could seat 15+ people with top shelf drinks.

      I only used rolling bars when I worked a smaller event.

      Boy you’re one IGORENT POS!

    996. lisab says:

      I bet lisab drinks merlot, not martinis.
      ——————————

      i do like wine …

      but my drink of choice is either bourbon or irish whiskey

      bourbon is new … an acquaintance from kentucky introduced me to it

      and bitter is lying, i have never had a chocolate martini … not a fan of flavoured alcohol of any kind

    997. lisab says:

      And I think martinis need to be shaken for best results.
      ——————-

      de gustibus non est disputandum

      however, there is a reason fruity drinks are shaken and classic alcohol cocktails are stirred and why they make different spoons specifically for stirring them

      ian fleming liked the shaken martinis he got in his favourite bar in jamaica, where of course they were used to making fruity drinks — which are of course traditionally shaken

    998. Tgca says:

      1010

      Funny Bitter should say that. Most bars that cater to large crowds like you see in the movies do not deal in quality liquors or precision drinks and those customers would not know the difference between a quality drink and one poorly made.

      Traditionally, bartending was an art but there’s a difference between watering holes and high end drinks developed over the years that require precision mixing.

      I’ve actually had to make some of the old drinks that are rarely made anymore like an Old Fashioned or Manhattans that I would not trust from most bars due to bacteria and old dirty utensils used for speciality drinks and outdated garnishment ingredients.

    999. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes to tell us a great deal about Ian Fleming in 3…2…1…

    1000. Tina says:

      Regarding Sinema, which gubment agency will assist?

      Ice?

      Or the Fib (insurrectionists)?

    1001. Bitterlaw says:

      For those who can’t get enough of shaken, not stirred martinis.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K2b3mOkz_ho

    1002. jason says:

      Tgca is a great bartender. He just can’t spell White Russian.

    1003. jason says:

      i do like wine …”

      Merlot isn’t wine.

    1004. jason says:

      Clearly, you’re an Olive Garden kinda guy”

      Dang, that should be worth a few points.

    1005. jason says:

      I used to fight here with EML on who hated Olive Garden the most.

      But I know the kind of “bartendering” Tgca did.

      “Red” or “white”?

    1006. Bitterlaw says:

      Should I contact MD about martinis? He did love the Goose.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tKt3v8ATylY

    1007. jason says:

      Who knew?

      “And Congressman Jones continued to kick Sinema on MSNBC tonight. He and the other progressives got MSNBC to go into a segment on why the Media needs to stop calling Manchin and Sinema as “moderates.” When asked point blank about both’s political leanings, Jones said that Sinema and Manchin are “CONSERVATIVES.”

    1008. Tgca says:

      1018

      You don’t need to spell to make a great drink no more than you need to spell to make a great feast.

      Historically, many of our great cooks and drink servers in the most well to do homes in America were illiterate.

    1009. lisab says:

      merlot is everywhere in france and italy

      and of course the usa

      too bad about the movie sideways, it really hurt the vineyards

    1010. lisab says:

      rye is my other favorite

      and brandy 🙂

    1011. Tgca says:

      1021

      Rarely did I ever serve wine unless it was as a component of a spritzer. Like most bartenders, I know very little about wine as that is not a bartending skill. Rich people don’t drink wine from a bar. They order their own preferred bottles for their table from the food servers or host who have specialized knowledge of wines that bartenders rarely have.

      …and definitely serving beer was very rare. Rich folk don’t spends tens of thousands to serve their guests beer.

      I probably served more martinis, side cars, bloody Mary’s, sours, daiquiris, iced teas, pina coladas, and maybe even gimlets than anything else since folks coming to show off their gowns, jewels and fur coats want to drink classy drinks in nice glassware and not commoner drinks.

    1012. jason says:

      merlot is everywhere in france and italy”

      Heh, so are many other non-drinkable varieties.

      Watered down grape juice.

    1013. jason says:

      Historically, many of our great cooks and drink servers in the most well to do homes in America were illiterate”

      I was talking about YOU.

    1014. Tgca says:

      If anyone does not think Dr. Fow-chee is full himself and on a power trip with these statements, then I don’t know what to say other than he should be asked to resign at this point for the best of the country since he no longer has credibility.

      …didn’t know yet if we would be able to gather together for Christmas” yet.

      “There comes a time when you do have to give up what you consider your individual right of making your own decision for the greater good of society.”

      https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/10/03/fauci-makes-outrageous-statement-about-individual-rights-accidentally-reveals-two-big-problems-with-biden-claims-n451469

    1015. jason says:

      I have been gifted bottles of Merlot. Of course I would not drink it but I thought I could cook with it. Wrong.

      I now believe the advice that you should only cook with wine you would drink.

    1016. Tgca says:

      1029

      It was a typo and has nothing to do with knowledge. Black and White Russians are two basic favorite dinner drinks that almost any food server or bartender knows.

      You’re grasping at straws because you were schooled on details.

      Have you ever bartended? Have you ever been certified as a drink mixologist, if you wish to be most formal, but I still use the term bartend?

      Have you served thousands of drinks over a 4 to 5 year period?

    1017. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Hispanic voters are increasingly leaving the Democratic reservation. They were the reason Riverside County in California voted in favor of the Newsom recall.

      “@ScottWRasmussen
      58% See Federal Government As Threat to Freedom and Liberty; 24% Disagree … 71% of Hispanic voters see feds as a threat to freedom… So do 61% of White voters & 40% of Black voters.”

    1018. Phil says:

      Interesting….

      Not surprised about Hispanic voters in Texas. Democrats losing Hispanic voters in California? Man, I didn’t see that coming. I didn’t see that one coming at all.

    1019. Tgca says:

      1034

      Latino immigrants in CA generally come from central and South America. Likely there are some strong ties to their culture still in the 1st generation or so like we see with Cuban-Americans.

      South Americans are routinely governed by leaders that provide less freedoms than we have in the US and often cause instability by their actions.

      I’m wondering if the loss of support by Dems is now due to concerns that Latinos are seeing similarities to here in the US under Dem leadership and what they ran away from.

    1020. lisab says:

      considering you think martinis should be shaken

      your dislike of merlot is also one of questionable taste

    1021. Wes says:

      Actually, Tg, I just came back from treating a former coworker of mine to dinner as a belated birthday present. We drank over a dozen Dos Equis and Yuenglings between us. No fruity mixed drinks to be found.

      We also had barbecue wings and burgers topped with thick slabs of bacon. You must be mortified.

    1022. Wes says:

      Merlot will do if no other red wine is available. Cabernet Sauvignon is the Holy Grail of red wines. White wines are fine for people who want to spend every quarter hour clearing their kidneys. They have no other laudable qualities to speak of.

    1023. Wes says:

      Hm.

      Tgca has been a high-end bartender and a world-class auditor.

      I wonder if he also went the Chuck Barris route and was also an undercover secret agent.

    1024. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      1034. Hispanic income is rising fast (they work hard) and they are increasingly identifying as middle class whites:

      Here is a quote from a NYTs article by Nate Cohn from several years ago:

      “Hispanics are often described as driving up the nonwhite share of the population. But a new study of census forms finds that more Hispanics are identifying as white.

      An estimated net 1.2 million Americans of the 35 million Americans identified in 2000 as of “Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin,” as the census form puts it, changed their race from “some other race” to “white” between the 2000 and 2010 censuses”

      The same trend took place in the 2020 census, although the liberals tried to downplay it.

    1025. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      1040. “The Census Bureau says while the “white alone” population decreased, the “white in combination” population increased by 316% since 2010. A direct comparison of the 2010 data to the 2020 data shows the “white alone or in combination” population increased from 231 million to 235 million.

      The Census Bureau explains that these changes are likely caused by improvements in census questions to more accurately capture how people self-identify, while likely only partly caused by actual changes in the makeup of the U.S. population.”

    1026. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “Most of the state’s Hispanics have Mexican ancestry, but there are many Cuban Americans, Puerto Ricans, Guatemalan Americans, Honduran Americans, Salvadoran Americans, and Nicaraguan Americans, Chilean Americans, Colombian Americans and Peruvian Americans. Los Angeles has the United States’ largest Central American community, as well as the largest Mexican American community since the 1910s and 1920s.”

      Been a large migration of Central Americans in Southern California in the last few years.

    1027. Gordon Allen says:

      SDC: I think we’ll get over 50% Hispanic vote in Florida next election, and 15% > black vote. This is where the growth area lies if only the dunderhead Washington DC GOP could see it,and the tactics to use

    1028. Bitterlaw says:

      The article on Akin’s death begins with his stupid comments about abortion and “legitimate rape.” Oh, by the way, he had a wife and children.

    1029. Tgca says:

      1037

      You are a vile and disgusting low life individual for eating such vile food.

      Shame!

    1030. Bitterlaw says:

      And 18 grandchildren.

    1031. Tgca says:

      1039

      I never said I was world class. I said I worked high-end events mainly for about about 4+ years, mostly weekends and got to see how the other half lived. Back then we were required to dress and groom a certain way unlike many of the unkempt yoots of today like AOC who wears a tacky dress to a formal event.

      Most of my extracurricular activities as a child and young adult were educational in nature, as I always kept learning whether it be libraries, classes, workshops, or books since I found lying around and watching TV wasteful. I rarely slept in my youth as I was always out and about engaging in some extracurricular activity.

      This is how you learn things and expand your horizons in life. You might try it sometimes and realize not all is as you see in North Carolina.

    1032. Wes says:

      To be fair, Bitter, had I written a eulogy for Ted Kennedy in 2009, I would have started it by mentioning his abuse of his political connections to avoid punishment for DUI manslaughter and attempt to rape a waitress. Mentioning how Akin willfully tanked his own political career seems tame by comparison.

    1033. Wes says:

      Obviously I hit a nerve if Tg felt the need to launch into a tirade.

    1034. jason says:

      Akin got 39% of the vote in MO. I suppose that fact, plus having “legitimate rape” comments as your legacy, is punishment enough.

      But more inexcusable than his asinine comments was the fact he refused to bow out when he knew he had zero chance of winning a seat that Rs desperately needed.

    1035. jason says:

      One of the demands of the woman who filmed Sinema in the bathroom is that the US immediately grant citizenship to “all indigenous peoples south of the Mexican border”.

    1036. Tgca says:

      1045

      Unfortunately, we people are a cynical bunch and always look towards the major faults and failures in people instead of the simple daily events that was most of their existence and made them in their entirety. I’m sure to the Akins’ family his life was much more than a politician who lost a crucial race but that’s not how those who know him least will seek to remember him.

      Did we really ever really know Churchill, FDR, JFK, Reagan, Nixon beyond their public life? What about Hitler…oh wait…scratch that last one

    1037. Wes says:

      Akin was Roy Moore before Roy Moore was well known, Jason. He was so obsessed with being a Senator he refused to do the right thing and took a humiliating career-ending loss because of his hubris.

    1038. Tgca says:

      1050

      It’s not a tirade. I have no need to go all WESCON 1 attacking people like you for things you know little about.

      It’s pointing out an ignorance you often demonstrate here where you live in a bubble and measure all by your own experiences and lack the ability to understand that folks have varied interests that maybe you never experienced outside North Carolina.

      You got that small town thinking cap on again.

      Now you a blessed day and bless your sweet ole lil heart.

    1039. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca routinely worked at these parties.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IgcuBOVMGsg

    1040. Wes says:

      What’s the best known thing about Akin, Tg? It’s his remarkable case of ill-advised foot-in-mouth disease that obliterated his own Senate candidacy and had a ripple effect that helped Dems go on offense in a Senate class they already overwhelmingly dominated.

      The other things about him may be true, but they’re so generic they tell us nothing about who Akin was.

    1041. Tgca says:

      These freaks that follow a politician into a bathroom are over the top. They should be charged with harassment.

      I don’t agree with many politicians and they should be publicly challenged since they often have the bully pulpit to preach from but there’s no reason to harass someone in a bathroom.

    1042. Wes says:

      It’s amazing when someone launches into a tirade–to explain how he’s not launching into a tirade.

    1043. jason says:

      Sorry, that dog won’t hunt, sounds like “but Hitler did love puppies” BS.

      Maybe Akin was a good family man and I feel sorry for his family’s loss.

      But yeah, I think “looking into his major faults and failures” is certainly fair in his case.

      Even if you excuse Akin’s comment as a mistake, it is obvious he never considered it as such, since he later retracted his apology.

      Comparing him to Churchill or Reagan does give credence to Bitter’s contention that Tgca is a clown.

      “Cynical bunch” my ass Speak for yourself and GFY.

    1044. mnw says:

      RE: Akin

      Disclaimer: I voted for Brunner in the MO GOP primary for Senate the year Akin ran & lost– I never cared whether Akin lived or died. I voted for him in the GE.

      Now… prior to his nomination, nobody in the MO GOP that I recall ever said anything against Akin. He was just a conservative incumbent congressman. Period.

      No one in MO was clairvoyant enough to look into the future & see (through precognition!) that after he was nominated, Akin would make one colossally stupid statement.

    1045. Tgca says:

      1057

      Maybe it’s the best known thing to you but I’m sure there’s much more to the man than a failed senate bid. Maybe he was just a decent family man who lost a political race for saying something many deemed irrational and stoopid. Should that define him in totality?

      What’s the best known thing about you here Wes? From what I hear it’s about the way you treat women though I’m not sure it’s as entirely accurate as portrayed.

      Do you want that to be your defining legacy?

    1046. Wes says:

      Phil was sounding the alarm about Akin on this very blog when Akin announced his candidacy, Mnw.

    1047. Tgca says:

      1059. Wes

      People in glass houses Wes!

      People in glass houses!

    1048. Tina says:

      Tgca,

      The lady that followed Enema into the bathroom is an illegal alien,

      She also committed a Class 5 Felony by filming her in the bathroom, without her consent.

      Deport the illegal alien ASAP.

    1049. Wes says:

      I don’t really care, Tg, about my defining legacy on a blog among people I’ll never meet.

      Akin flamed out spectacularly because of his own idiocy and hubris. He brought it on himself.

      Ted Kennedy was a Senator for decades and sponsored hundreds of bills. That doesn’t change the fact that he was a vile, drunken reprobate who killed one woman tried to rape another, using his family name and connections to avoid just punishment in each case. He brought that legacy on himself. I have no problem with remembering people like Akin and Kennedy for the worst aspects of their careers.

    1050. jason says:

      Akin not only killed his own candidacy, he was used as the poster child by the MSM and the Dems to paint R candidates everywhere as extreme, damaging other R candidates for years afterwards.

    1051. Wes says:

      I’m not the one launching into a tirade to explain how I’m not launching into a tirade, Tg. That’s you.

    1052. Tgca says:

      1060

      I never said we could not point out the ups and downs of folks but I’m sure there’s much more to Atkin then that one terrible mistake.

      I was commenting on the legitimate point I think Bitter was making that they focused on one facet of the man and ignored all else in his life.

      It would be like defining Reagan for Iran Contra or McCain for his disastrous inept campaign and his humiliating defeat by someone with no accomplishments.

    1053. Wes says:

      Here’s a thought, Tg:

      Maybe if akin hadn’t destroyed his own political career, the article wouldn’t have a reason to say he destroyed his own political career.

    1054. jason says:

      Now… prior to his nomination, nobody in the MO GOP that I recall ever said anything against Akin. He was just a conservative incumbent congressman. Period.”

      So what? That is often the case, these faults come out when you are in the limelight and under pressure.

      A senate race with national implications is very different from a congressional race, especially in a “safe” district like Akin had.

      You can say the same about Mourdock, who had actually won a statewide race before he self imploded too.

    1055. Tgca says:

      1065

      Agreed Tina!

      I saw the video of her whining about her parents deportation. Evidently they broke various laws so they were held accountable.

      She should be grateful she can be in the US. She can always leave and go back to her chithole place evidently her parents brought her from.

    1056. Cash Cow TM says:

      LET’S GO, BRAN-DON!

    1057. Tgca says:

      1071

      You mean like many republicans who say stoopid chit too. Shall we forget Romney’s racist 47% remark which constantly reminded folks of why the GOP has trouble at tracking minorities?

      How about Christie’s corruption and arrogance that earned him a low 15% approval rating of why people should not elect GOP governors?

    1058. jason says:

      Akin would make one colossally stupid statement”

      Which had major implications for the political outlook of the country.

      If that is portrayed in the media as his political legacy, he only has himself to blame.

      Tgca is free to give him a pass with who the “who are we to cast the first stone” BS.

      He gets no pass from me. He did lasting damage to the R party.

    1059. jason says:

      Cash Cow TM says:
      October 4, 2021 at 9:51 am

      LET’S GO, BRAN-DON!”

      The “f–k Joe Biden” chant should be changed to ‘Let’s go, Brandon”.

      It would be more palatable to those who don’t want to use the four letter word and everyone would still know what it meant.

      I bet it would at least double the number of chanters.

    1060. Tina says:

      Tg, that is Arizona law she apparently broke,

      I don’t know if there are other laws broken as enema is a U.S. Senator,

      Don’t know if the Fib even gets involved here. Busy with garage door pulls, wire tapping Trump tower, spying, etc.

    1061. mnw says:

      It’s one thing to blame deadenders for nominating a kook like COD KNOWING she was a kook. That’s legitimate.

      But it’s silly to blame deadenders for nominating Akin & Mourdock (sp?) before anybody had substantive information to warn voters away.

      How could IL voters elect a child molester like Hastert, knowing he was a pervert? Because they DIDN’T know.

    1062. Tgca says:

      1072

      I get that! But many politicians blunder.

      Trump is case in point. His failure to behave even remotely presidential has had resounding negative effects on the US.

      He could have won the 2020 election but his behavior lost him re-election and now we are all paying for it.

      So I guess words do matter over accomplishments.

    1063. Wes says:

      We can go with whataboutism if you want, Tg. Romney’s 47% remark was definitely a gaffe and hurt his candidacy. It wasn’t racist as you’re portraying it since he was referring to people of all races who expect services from the government while making minimal contributions to that very entity. It definitely was another example of tone-deaf (though in this case, legitimate) statements Romney made that impeded his effort to unseat Obama.

      As far as McCain, he was effectively a sacrificial lamb whose ill-fated presidential run did no long-term damage to him and didn’t overshadow his career as Akin’s gaffe did.

    1064. jason says:

      Shall we forget Romney’s racist 47% remark which constantly reminded folks of why the GOP has trouble at tracking minorities?”

      Zzzzzz…. Rommey’s remark was not racist at all, and it was completely factual. At most it was ill advised, but the fact is nobody in the room thought it was noteworthy until the MSM took it out of context.

      In addition, contrary to Akin, Rommey’s political legacy has a lot more to it than congressman from MO. Governor, senator, presidential nominee.

      I hope he is judged as an unprincipled opportunistic media whore, but the comparison is stupid.

    1065. Tgca says:

      1076

      I’m not saying give him a pass. I’m saying I agree with my good friend Bitter that it seems purposely mean-spirited and provocative for the news media to lead with that and make no effort to balance the story as in the old days.

    1066. Tina says:

      Incompetence.

      Jennifer Van Laar
      @jenvanlaar
      · 15h
      Also, according to sources, $15 million C-RAM systems that were left at the airport weren’t “demilitarized” as Gen. McKenzie claimed. Explosives were placed and soldiers were to remote detonate them once airborne, but the detonators mysteriously failed. https://asc.army.mil/web/portfolio-item/ms-c-ram_lpws/…
      Show this thread

    1067. Tgca says:

      1081

      Romney’s 47% remark may not have been racist to you but to people of color it came across as they were welfare queens living off the gubbermint.

      If you can’t see that, I don’t know what to say because you live in a bubble where you see all through your eyes.

    1068. Tina says:

      Is he running for office?

      The Hill
      @thehill
      · 1h
      Fauci: “I agree” with Newsom vaccine mandate for California students http://hill.cm/s50L4NX

    1069. Tgca says:

      1082

      So your point is unless you’ve accomplish national recognition, it’s ok to belittle someone without even taking the time to give some content to their life?

      Let’s face it! It was a headline to sell news and not report fairly.

    1070. jason says:

      But it’s silly to blame deadenders for nominating Akin & Mourdock (sp?) before anybody had substantive information to warn voters away.”

      I don’t agree regarding Mourdock.

      Mourdock was a risky bet even before the stupid comments considering there was a sitting GOP senator with 100% chance of winning the election.
      The primary was divisive and poisoned the well, so that many Rs in Indiana did not vote for Murdock.

      The deadenders rolled the dice on Mourdock, and as usually happens with deadenders, the result is a liberal Democrat.

      You are somewhat correct on Akin. There was no R incumbent, and Akin was able to win a crowded primary. If he hadn’t self destructed, he might have won the GE.

      But he should have bowed out when it was obvious he couldn’t win. Deadender fits him well for not doing that.

    1071. jason says:

      Let’s face it! It was a headline to sell news and not report fairly.”

      No, it was very fair. Akin’s political life was defined by his own words and actions.

      This was not his church’s biography.

    1072. Wes says:

      You know, Tg, in talking to lay people and people inside the political industry at the time, I never heard even one person say Romney was being racist with that remark. They were, however, saying Romney was a rich guy who wanted to hurt them at the expense of the rich.

      As for seeing things through my eyes, fair enough. That’s pretty typical of most people. I’m not a vegetarian auditor who thinks Romney was talking about race rather than class isn’t seeing things through his eyes.

      By the way, in that election, Romney made gains from McCain’s showing among non-whites, though obviously not enough to win. I guess not everyone interpreted the remark through a racial lens as you’re doing.

    1073. Tgca says:

      1082

      I don’t think Romney will be remembered for his political career. He will be remembered for his racist 47% remark, losing an otherwise winnable election and siding with Dems on impeaching Trump.

      Who do you think by those two acts has done more lasting damage to the GOP, Romney or Akin?

    1074. jason says:

      Romney’s 47% remark may not have been racist to you but to people of color it came across as they were welfare queens living off the gubbermint.’

      Zzzzzzz… bs.

      That is a lot of “people of color”.

      Romney’s comment was not ‘racist” anymore than any comment by Rs is always deemed as racist.

      Sorry to see you buy into the fake MSM narrative.

    1075. Wes says:

      “Sure” should come after “it” in my previous post.

    1076. jason says:

      Who do you think by those two acts has done more lasting damage to the GOP, Romney or Akin?

      Akin.

      Romney didn’t lose the election over the 47% remark, which wasn’t racist in the least.

      Akin may have cost the GOP the senate was used as a poster boy to attack GOP candidates for years to come.

    1077. Wes says:

      Tgca defines a “winnable race” for a challenger as one against an incumbent with +50% approval ratings at time when the economy appeared to be finally mending after Lehman Brothers.

      Sure. Romney was definitely the favorite under those circumstances. 🙄

      I get it. You don’t like Romney. I don’t like him either after his smug sanctimony following Trump’s first impeachment. I’m not going to rewrite his remark as racist though when the clear context of it was economic rather than racial in nature.

    1078. Wes says:

      Autocorrect changed “not” to “it” in 1093. I’ve never seen that one before.

    1079. jason says:

      I am clear about how I feel about Romney. He is a cheap media whore who sells out his principles to be on TV.

      But almost all the criticism leveled at him during his presidential campaign was unfair. 47%? BS. “Vulture capitalist” BS. Dog abuser? BS.

      Sorry you buy into this BS in order to give Akin a pass.

    1080. Tgca says:

      1090

      I did not say EVERY minority thought Romney’s remark was racist but I lived in an area, South Florida, where many people did. I recall people at work thinking it was racist. I also recall people in Jersey area thinking it was racist. I also recall reading articles on it being racist.

      As a white person, you probably can’t relate to how those on gubbermint benefits are minorities cones across but that goes back to the early 70s so it’s not unreasonable that many people perceived that remark as racist.

    1081. Tgca says:

      1096

      That happens frequently. I try to reread posts before hitting the button but there are certain words that seem to get favored treatment by autocorrect.

    1082. Wes says:

      Nice way to move goalposts, Tg.

      First it was racist.

      Then minorities perceived it as racist.

      Then not every minority perceived it as racist.

      Then a bunch of articles claimed it was racist.

      You’re coming down on every side of this, Tg. Did Bill Clinton secretly hack your handle.

    1083. Tgca says:

      Unfortunately, I get to see both sides of the world sometimes whether it’s considered fair or not.

      Same thing with gays on the GOP. Most perceive the GOP with underlying motives to destroy them. Many still remember the many GOPers from the 80s and 90s who thought AIDS was retribution or a good thing.

      You don’t change peoples view of what you represent when you align with such hate.

      I agree it happens on both sides but the GOP has a very long way to go before it wins back minorities to its court and every stoopid comment by a GOP politician only cements their perceived hatred further by minorities.

    1084. Tgca says:

      1100

      You desperation is showing Wes. You’re trying to win a debate using absolutes now.

      Of course, I’m referring to “in general” in my statements as most do here when posting, as it never makes sense to say 100% of the time in your posts.

      I only clarified because you failed to acknowledge your ignorance.

      I would not expect a white man from the south to see how Romney’s remark could be perceived as racist by minorities any more than I can expect a White man from the south to think gay marriage is legitimate in the US.

      There’s just certain things that people perceive differently and your twisting words thinking it gives you the upper hand only shows more that you lack insight into the minority viewpoint, right or wrong.

    1085. Wes says:

      Calling an obviously non-racist statement racist certainly isn’t going to help Republicans win minority voters, Tg.

    1086. Wes says:

      Desperation is pointing out the exact things you’ve said on this very blog, Tg.

      Sure. Why not?

    1087. Tgca says:

      1103

      If you can’t see why many minorities felt that way, I don’t know what to say.

      I grew up in a area where many minorities received gubbermint benefits. It was often the mindset that THEY received benefits and white people routinely made their feelings clear on that. As time passed, it became unpopular to voice your opinion so loudly so the references became more subtle, and racist Dems became mum on it for votes while the GOP did not embrace such strategy as they did not strive for the minority vote.

      Many minorities see that the GOP and whites use “code words” now for what they used to proudly voice openly.

      I’m not saying it’s always fair or accurate, but it is well known that minorities do interpret the words of white men and the GOP carefully, and often see hidden meanings to them.

    1088. jason says:

      would not expect a white man from the south to see how Romney’s remark could be perceived as racist by minorities ”

      LOL

      The MSM perceives everything Rs say as racist.

      There was NOTHING racist about what Romney said, and anyone who “perceived it’ as such is a moron or is dishonest.

      And I am not a White man from the South.

    1089. jason says:

      I’m not saying it’s always fair or accurate,”

      So you admit you lied when YOU called Romney’s comments ‘racist’?

      Ok glad you admitted it.

      Because this BS about “others see it a racist” is a silly cop out. You can always find someone who will be offended by just about anything.

    1090. Tgca says:

      1104

      Again, you’re trying to play with words to win points instead of arguing the merits. I could do the same of you.

      You show your hypocrisy by voting for GWB twice knowing he started an unnecessary war but now you try to move the goal posts because the legacy of that war has led to much conflict and death.

      If you voted for GWB, you voted for his policies, therefore, you can’t move the goal posts now.

      See how that works? Your words come back to haunt you.

    1091. jason says:

      First it was racist.

      Then minorities perceived it as racist.

      Then not every minority perceived it as racist.

      Then a bunch of articles claimed it was racist.”

      Pretty soon it will be “somewhere, someplace, someone might have perceived it as racist” if the goalposts keep moving at this rate.

    1092. jason says:

      Damm, that is some convoluted logic.

      Wes voted for GWB twice.

      So Romney must be a racist for the 47% non-racist comment.

      I love it here.

    1093. Wes says:

      Play with words?

      I literally detailed your own statements and their conflicting nature, Tg. Don’t blame me and try to weasel out of this just because I can see your posts and respond to them.

    1094. jason says:

      I think we can put this one to bed, wes.

      Tgca has admitted that calling Romney’s comment racist is unfair and wrong, but that “someone” might have perceived it as such.

    1095. Tgca says:

      1107

      No! I personally do think Romney has no understanding of the minority mindset and I believe he thinks minorities as responsible for a big chunk of that 47%. I believe that more than ever now seeing a side of him not as evident in 2012, a man desperate to say anything to any audience to achieve his goals without any core convictions.

      Do I think he’s a rabid racist wishing to get rid of minorities? No! But racism comes in many forms just as the majority of the GOP are bigoted against gays in many ways and northerners and elites are bigoted against southerners in many ways,

    1096. Tgca says:

      Wes voted for GWB twice. Therefore, Wes believed in the GWB agenda and is partly responsible for it.

      Now Wes moves the goalposts because GWB agenda did not work out so well.

      Wes always wants to be on the winning side.

    1097. Wes says:

      Tgca is working furiously to obfuscate and backpedal from his own words, Jason. Had he just said a certain segment of the population saw Romney’s statement as rac, there would probably be no conflict. He chose to outright call the statement racist himself though before going into damage control mode. Ironically this happened during a discussion about Todd Akin, who had to release an ad claiming to “abhor rape” after making a callous statement about rape.

      Serendipity?

    1098. jason says:

      “but it is well known that minorities do interpret the words of white men and the GOP carefully, and often see hidden meanings to them.”

      I agree this is “well known”.

      What I find perplexing is that you promoting this nonsense and finding “hidden meanings” yourself.

      If you know Romney’s comments were not racist, as you have admitted, why call them that as you did several times above.

      “Shall we forget Romney’s racist 47% remark which constantly reminded folks of why the GOP has trouble at tracking minorities?”

      “I don’t think Romney will be remembered for his political career. He will be remembered for his racist 47% remark”

    1099. Wes says:

      When Tgca is so desperate to escape his own posts he has to make some tortuous connection to my antipathy toward GWB, he might as well just concede. He’s already decimated his own credibility.

      This is fascinating to behold.

    1100. jason says:

      Do I think he’s a rabid racist”

      Damm, this has to be record moving of goalposts, at least 100 yards.

    1101. jason says:

      But racism comes in many forms just as the majority of the GOP are bigoted against gays in many ways and northerners and elites are bigoted against southerners in many ways,”

      Wes, everyone in the GOP is a racist, therefore Romney must be a racist.

      We are now on bogus argument 34-D.

    1102. Wes says:

      I think all that slop Tgca eats has finally started rotting his brain. He’s usually better than this by at least a small degree.

    1103. jason says:

      We went from “racist’ to ok not “rabid racist wishing to get rid of minorities”

      I give Tgca the “keep digging a hole for himself” award for October.

      I know, early, but will be hard to dig a bigger hole.

    1104. jason says:

      Tgca, if you want to take back “Romney is a racist” and replace it with “some people might have perceived it as racist” fine with me.

      Otherwise, you are just digging a deeper hole.

    1105. mnw says:

      Why are my last 2 completely benign comments “awaiting moderation”?

    1106. Wes says:

      To recap what Tgca said:

      1) Romney’s 47% remark was racist.

      2) Minorities just perceived it as racist.

      3) Not all minorities perceived it as racist.

      4) Some news articles called it racist.

      5) I voted for GWB twice; therefore Romney made a racist statement because words come back to haunt people.

      6) What Romney said is racist because minorities perceive the words white male Republicans as racist.

      At this point, Tgca is just throwing mud at a wall and hoping some sticks.

    1107. Tgca says:

      1115

      No! Wes is afraid to accept that what Romney said is racist to many, including me.

      I guess its because Wes would have to accept he supported that he supported someone that made racist comments, even if there was a level of truth to those comments doesn’t make it any less racist.

      Is that why you’re fighting so hard to protect Romney though many on the left and minorities view it as racist Wes?

      You afraid to admit you agree with some of those comments and that you have a bit of racist in you?

    1108. Tgca says:

      Let’s face it! All people have a level of racism in them and Wes is having trouble accepting that as a white man from the south that he has a certain level of racism in him and tjays why he’s trying to spin on words.

      Minorities are also racist! I know that all too well as I’ve had various minority friends comment on others in racist terms over the years.

      Hey Wes, if you see 2 black guys walking down the street at night dressed in urban clothing, do your alarm bells go off? Would you feel the same if it were two blonde white guys?

      Guess what? That’s a form of racism because of your perception that black males may be a threat but white males may not.

      In many years here, I’ve heard a number of posters here make remarks that are definitely bigoted and I’ve done so myself. I am not stoopid to believe everything we say is perceived as we want it to be to others.

      Face it! We all have a little bigot in us as Romney does but the “hand guy” from North Carolina won’t accept it when his past posts clearly allude to his self-identifying with racist folks and comments.

    1109. jason says:

      Why are my last 2 completely benign comments “awaiting moderation”?”

      There is an offending word somewhere.

      Yesterday I typed “shift” as “sh-t” by mistake, and it got rejected. I had to read it 4 times before I caught it.

    1110. jason says:

      wes, Tgca is obviously an “expert” on racism too.

    1111. jason says:

      People who don’t believe Romney’s comments were racist must therefore be racist.

      Yeah, I guess Tgca CAN dig a bigger hole.

    1112. jason says:

      What Romney said is racist because minorities perceive the words white male Republicans as racist.”

      Wow, now we are really going for full outright genuinely unmitigated stupidity.

      Geezus.

    1113. jason says:

      We all have a little bigot in us”

      Tgca says he is a bigot?

      Who knew?

      I guess we have to take him at his word.

    1114. Bitterlaw says:

      SCOTUS denies attempt to give DC residents a vote in Congress.

    1115. jason says:

      “Minorities” will accuse SCOTUS of racism because DC has a black majority.

      Tgca will immediately agree with them in 3, 2, 1.

    1116. Tgca says:

      1131

      Jadon,

      I’ve been on this site for nearly two decades and I would say the vast majority of posters here at one time or another, including you have said things perceived as bigoted by others. That is not unusual when you live in a diverse society but I also don’t believe every statement has to be seen through the lens of “what does one really think deep inside when they say that.”

      I accept that just because people say or believe in things that are offensive to others does not make them bad people based on the degree of what they say and how they say it. People say things out of anger they don’t mean – think Bitter when he says he hates me.

      If you say “I think the gay lifestyle is wrong” in this day and age most will perceive that as bigoted because it goes to what about the lifestyle that you believe is wrong and what are you really feeling. It doesn’t mean you’re a rabid hateful bigot.

      Bit if you say all gays are disgusting and deserve AIDS and should rot in Hell, well, that’s a different story.

      I accept like everyone I ever met, I have my own perceptions too and accept others may think some of them are bigoted but nothing I can do about that.

      That was my general point on Romney’s 47% comment. Where I grew up, most view that as racist. You may agree or disagree but that isn’t going to change how people feel.

      I defended Romney at the time, as there was some truth to what he said, as is the case with most stereotyping, and I wanted him to succeed at any cost back then but I can’t admit in this day and age that I don’t think that it’s offensive and racist, at least to many.

      If Wes can’t admit that this is racist to many, then I don’t know what to say to get him to see the other side any more than I can change the mind of a straight couple married for 30 years that their relationship is no different in societal concept than a lesbian married couple of 5 years.

    1117. Tgca says:

      1133

      I don’t agree with their interpretation but I agree they believe that just as I agree with you Trump did not legitimately lose in 2020 but others disagree.

      See how that works? One is interpretation and one is belief.

      You and I believe Trump did not lose, most Dems, Never Trumpers, and Wes believe we are wrong and we’re interpreting what we want to see because we can’t accept their reality.

      That is no different than my points above except one is about race perception and one is about the perception of corruption.

      Nothing you or I say will ever change what we believe about 2020 unless presented with evidence otherwise, and nothing we say will convince some that’s our erroneous interpretation of things.

    1118. Tgca says:

      Very sad news!

      DeSantis wife diagnosed with breast cancer.

      Let the hate begin on the left.

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/10/04/florida-first-lady-casey-desantis-diagnosed-breast-cancer/

    1119. Cash Cow TM says:

      COVID related stories today:

      9 DRUDGE
      9 AOL news

      My sources tell me the meeting last night of the MSM-LSD moguls was very contentious.

      Good thing Cow is filling the rest of you in.
      ##############################################

      Some of the moguls were pointing out that the American public can only handle one crisis at a time. They said if they continue to beat the COVID crisis dead horse, the public’s interest in the other big Left wing agenda manufactured crises will wane.

      Big discussion on where to move on to crisis-wise to best prop up the demented Biden.

      They definitely want to pivot away from illegal immigrants hoards flooding the southern border and Afghanistan.

      They are all in agreement they need to create some other “shiny object” to distract people from the social and economic collapse brought on by the left wing nuts and the complicit Biden administration.

      ***************************************
      Should they go back to:
      –manmade Glow-Bull warming crisis?
      –“Trump is evil” crisis
      –Republicans war on women, Blacks and immigrants?
      –Rich Republicans are causing oil spills, low wages, volcanoes, earthquakes ingrown toenails and excessive earwax?
      –LGBT-EIEIO issues and how Republicans hate everyone in these sliver sexuality groups?

      They is bedlam and chaos during these MSM-LSD meetings as they wrestle with what path to go down.

      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      They also said it is a shame there has been no other “George Floyd incident” they can take advantage of and whip into an intergalactic crisis. Some say they should just die their time and wait for such an incident and blow it out of proportion just prior to the 2022 elections…Others say they should go hire guys to create a story like Jessie Smollett did and then run with that…
      #############################################
      PS–keep this info under your hat.
      If it gets out, then it might blow the cover of my source.

    1120. jason says:

      Tgca, the fact some people regard anything Rs say as “racist” does not make it racist.

      By hanging your hat on this BS, you are in fact encouraging and giving credence to something that is wrong and dishonest.

      wes is entirely correct, as I am, that nothing Romney said is racist. Say what you want about Romney, and I say plenty, he is not a racist.

      You should be combating this kind of thing, rather than endorsing it.

    1121. jason says:

      Too about about Mrs. DeSantis, only 4% of breast cancer patients are under 40. The prognosis on very young women and breast cancer is not good (I should say it is worse than older women) because the cancer is often more aggressive in pre-menopausal women.

      Ok I just saw she just turned 43, does not change the above very much.

    1122. Wes says:

      Let Tg keep that shovel in hand, Tg. I want to see if he can dig all the way to Judecca. He’s working on it.

      I’ve seen contortionists bend into more positions than Tgca is trying to twist himself into over this.

    1123. Wes says:

      Ugh.

      I meant to say, “Let Tg keep that shovel in hand, Jason.”

    1124. Wes says:

      You really should take up building Rube-Goldberg contraptions as a hobby, Tg. Your ability to torture and twist logic is astounding and would help you in designing one.

    1125. jason says:

      Tgca is definitely an expert of convoluted reasoning, although calling it reasoning is an insult to reasoning.

    1126. jason says:

      I don’t agree with their interpretation but I agree they believe that just as I agree with you Trump did not legitimately lose in 2020 but others disagree.

      See how that works? One is interpretation and one is belief.”

      Nah. Convoluted BS and completely baseless analogy.

      YOU called Romney a racist based on a comment that wasn’t racist. YOU.

      If you had just said “some minorities (mistakenly) considered the 47% as racist” fine.

      But you didn’t do that. Not only that, you doubled down on it several times.

      “Some people” believe the moon is made of cheese.

    1127. Wes says:

      Evan McMullen will challenge Mike Lee as an Indy:

      https://mobile.twitter.com/SLTribPolitics/status/1444996792496627712?s=20

      Mikey must be conflicted. On the one hand, Mike Lee was furious when Utah decided all candidates have a right to run in the primary rather than having a convention replace the primary electorate. On the other, McMullen probably has a better chance than any Dem and, if elected, would ensure Schumer has another vote in the Senate.

      Personally although I find Lee to be distasteful, I’m 100% in his corner against McMullen or any Dem actually running as one.

    1128. Gordon Allen says:

      She looks younger than 43 i
      and is personable and polished.
      Sad news.

    1129. jason says:

      I am no fan of Mike Lee either.

      But McMullen has now become so liberal he will just split the liberal vote with the Dem, I don’t see many conservatives, who are a majority in Utah, voting for him.

    1130. jason says:

      She looks younger than 43″

      Yeah, that and the fact she has a newborn made me think she was under 40.

    1131. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      1246. McMullin endorsed former Democratic congressman McAdams against Owens in the last election. He wanted to run for the Utah third district Republican seat now held by John Curtis several years ago, but polls showed he only had single digit support in the Republican primary. McMullin is now a total political non-entity.

      Senator Lee will be easily re-electioned.

    1132. Wes says:

      I don’t think Lee will have any problem winning reelection either, SDC. He’s won two previous races in landslides and will be facing voters in a Biden midterm. I’d be shocked if he drops below 70%.

    1133. Gordon Allen says:

      I thought she was 41. But thats a mite old for a newborn.
      FWIW new poll in Florida has DeSantis up 8 and 12 against Crist and Fried.
      Doubt he’s thinking about polls right now.

    1134. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      1151. Agree.

    1135. jason says:

      You are correct, she is 41, when I googled it the site giving me the info said she was born in 1978, but she was born in 1980.

      Having children late is actually an increased breast cancer risk factor for women.

      “For example, women who give birth for the first time after age 35 are about 40 percent more likely to get breast cancer than women who have their first child before age 20”

      Significantly higher risk.

    1136. jason says:

      Wow.

      Joe Biden says Senator Sinema being chased into the bathroom and filmed by activists there is “part of the process.”

    1137. Phil says:

      So following someone into the bathroom, making a video of it and then posting it on the internet to be viewed by millions is just “part of the process”.

      Who knew?

      Ok then.

      Got it, Joe.

      This guy is just so out of it mentally.

    1138. Tgca says:

      Wes and Jadon trying to project they’re not bigots!

      I live this place.

      I agree being called a racist does make you a racist but saying things that sound stoopid and racist which a large portion of the population believes is racist is not something you can just discount as not having a racist basis.

      I do believe Romney, by his comments stepped in it badly. I also believe Romney could care less about most minorities’ everyday challenges.

      Remember when Dick Army referred to Barney Frank years back as Barney “Fag” – which actually made me laugh – well guess what folks? Frank and fag sound nothing alike so perhaps it was a Freudian slip but it goes to a valid concern about bigotry and to this day, you’d be hard pressed to get most gay men to think Army is not a gay bigot.

      Does that make Army a horrible bad person? Not at all! I think many found Romney’s comment equally offensive. I did not at the time but I also don’t believe today that it’s not rooted in some bigotry Romney may have, as I’ve been around numerous people over the years who think because I vote like them, I always think like them and they’ve let their guard down to say things they would otherwise not say to me if my politics were different…and I’m sure this happens on both sides of the aisle.

    1139. NYCmike says:

      1146 – so idiotic I had to smile!

      Thank you Wes, for making me smile today!

    1140. Phil says:

      Yeah, that should clinch her vote.

      Brilliant strategy, Joe.

    1141. Tgca says:

      1154

      Jadon walking back his statements on age now. He’s changed it like 3 times.

      Jadon moving the goal posts because once you state so etching you can’t clarify it or generalize it.

      You have to be 100% definitive from the get go or you have no credibility.

      History shows Wes and Jadon moving goal posts all the time.

    1142. Tgca says:

      1158

      1st, NYC, you need to acknowledge you’re a bigot!

      2nd, you need to acknowledge any statement you ever made here, if clarified means you’re walking it back unless you’re Wes or Jadon.

      So just roll with the punches dude.

    1143. jason says:

      Jadon walking back his statements on age now. He’s changed it like 3 times”

      Nah, I corrected it from 43 to 41.

      When are you going to correct your stupid statement calling Romney a racist?

    1144. jason says:

      Jadon moving the goal posts because once you state so etching you can’t clarify it or generalize it.”

      Translation: I am still trying to twist myself into a pretzel by pretending I didn’t say what I said.

    1145. jason says:

      Yeah, NYC is in a bind in Utah.

      Maybe Chuck Schumer will show him the way.

    1146. Tgca says:

      I have not seen any details released yet on DeSantis’ wife. Hoping it’s a microscopic tumor at most. I’ve known a few women diagnosed with breast cancer in their 40s and survived long term.

      Unfortunately, I had one lady work for me who got diagnosed in her late 40s and survived 5 years without any issues and then it came back and metastasized and she died within 3 months.

      You just never know as each case can be different but survival prognosis can be very good if caught early and treated properly.

      We can only wish the best for her and her family.

    1147. Phil says:

      Romney isn’t a racist but he is a POS…..which is all I need to know.

    1148. jason says:

      “Shall we forget Romney’s racist 47% remark”

      Still waiting for the “clarification”.

      So far we have had like 20 fake “clarifications” basically saying “other people regarded as racist” but no clarification on why YOU called it racist.

    1149. Tgca says:

      1163

      I have not denied what I said. You lie Bish!

      If you tell me it’s either a yes or no answer and no room for gray or clarification then I will go on record and say under those rules I would have to say I believe Romney’s 47% remark was racist but real life doesn’t deal in just absolutes which is what you and Wes want to argue with others but exempt yourself as needed when you find yourself being challenged.

      …and probably 30% to 40% of the public would agree with me then on Romney’s comment.

      I can’t prove he had racism in his heart when he said it, and you can’t prove he did not.

    1150. Tgca says:

      1166. Phil

      Try telling the AA community that a man that has disdain for 47% of the public on the dole that it’s not meant to be racist.

      See what response you get.

      Ask the majority of gays if they think Dick Army is bigoted against gays and see what response you get.

      Ask the majority of the GOP if they think liberals are anti-religious and watch the response you get.

      Can’t have it both ways.

    1151. Phil says:

      So these fools also continued to harass Sinema at her home last night. Apparently it isn’t just the bill they want passed. They also demand “the right to a pathway to citizenship”.

      Imagine that. An outsider advancing the notion that a non-citizen has a RIGHT to citizenship. Got it. Break into the country and then demand a right to be a citizen of that country.

      I don’t have the words to express how absolutely looney that is.

    1152. Wes says:

      If Tg keeps digging he’ll be in China by tomorrow morning.

    1153. Phil says:

      There are whites on the government dole as well so no, I don’t think the 47% remark was any sort of statement reflecting race.

      We have to quit reading race into every statement anyone makes. This has gotten insane. Doing so plays right into the loon left’s hands.

    1154. Wes says:

      At this point, I’m wondering if Sinema is contemplating a party switch with all the leftists harassing her.

    1155. Tgca says:

      1170

      It’s not looney, it’s harassment!!! Potentially very dangerous president…and these idiots on the left talk about Jan 6th fear and intimidation? Where is the FBI investigating a sitting Senator being harassed to changed her vote?

      To follow people into the bathroom and make them feel cornered and potentially threatened is beyond the rights to protest.

      I think this woman should be arrested and deported so she can join the rest of her family.

    1156. Tgca says:

      1171. Wes

      You call it digging. I call it making you uncomfortable because you just may be a racist yourself if you agree with what MANY deem as racist remarks.

      Am I making you feel uncomfortable? Is that why you won’t accept it as a racist comment?

    1157. Tgca says:

      1172. Phil

      Do you have to stop reading anti-conservatism or anti-Christian into everything the MSM and Dems say too then?

      Obama said they cling to their guns and Bibles. Does that mean it was a bigoted statement or just his way of making a statement that has a lot of truth to it in certain parts of the country?

      Can’t have it both ways and say MSM and Dems are anti-conservatives when you read into their remarks but then say AA can’t feel the same way.

      That HYPOCRISY!

    1158. Wes says:

      I’m not uncomfortable at all, Tg. I’m laughing at you. You made a moronic statement and tried to change positions multiple times while bringing up irrelevant scenarios to try to cover for yourself. You can’t admit you were wrong, so you have to keep doubling down. I find it hilarious honestly. I can’t fully express on this blog how much I’m enjoying watching you twisting in the wind and trying to obfuscate your clearly fallacious statement.

    1159. Phil says:

      Sinema obviously won’t change parties. She’s a leftist, but I imagine she’s royally pissed at Joes remarks today. She won’t tank the bill either, but I bet that three and a half trillion number just became unattainable…assuming it ever was.

    1160. NYCmike says:

      “I don’t have the words to express how absolutely looney that is.”

      -At least 48 Senators will agree with them, and if push came to shove, I wonder how many “Republicans” would cave for their Chamber of Commerce bosses.

    1161. Wes says:

      Please carry on, Tg. Watching you do everything possible to make an ass of yourself brings a great deal of levity to this blog.

    1162. Phil says:

      Well, Mike, you may have a point about the Chamber of Commerce Republican Senators. I have no faith in them either.

    1163. Paul says:

      SanDiegoCitizen can go to hell.

    1164. NYCmike says:

      Paul is back!

    1165. Paul says:

      NYCmike can go to hell.

    1166. NYCmike says:

      Depending upon my actions in earthly form,I just may end up there!

      Thanks for the warning, Paul!

    1167. Phil says:

      Gracious. Those Biden approval numbers are really putting the looney trolls in a bad mood. Full blown tantrums.

    1168. NYCmike says:

      Wes to say something idiotic about hell, afterlife and Akin/Mourdock in 3……2…..1……..

    1169. Tgca says:

      I actually thought Sinema at some point might try to change to independent to cement herself as a loose heir to McCain in AZ and appear above it all but I did not expect it this soon but that would be ideal for me is she did that now, especially if the Dems continue to go after her.

      I saw a Saturday Night Live clip yesterday mocking Biden and the Dems where Sinema was against everything they said.

      Clearly, she is raising her stakes, good or bad at this point.

    1170. Tina says:

      Wtf?

      X Strategies LLC
      @XStrategiesLLC
      · 3h
      President Biden on @SenatorSinema being harassed in the bathroom:

      “I don’t think they’re appropriate tactics but it happens to everybody… It’s a part of the process.”

    1171. Tgca says:

      1177

      I did not change my position. I qualified it. I told Jadon in 1168, if it has to be a yes or no question with no gray area, then I answer yes, it was racist, and a large portion of the public would agree.

      I don’t expect you as a white southern man to understand that.

      Glad to see you smiling and laughing for once instead of going all WESCON 1…you’ll reduce your stress and live longer.

    1172. Tina says:

      How come our “intelligence” missed this? What was Millie Vanilli doing?

      25
      246
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      Jack Posobiec
      @JackPosobiec
      ·
      36m
      BREAKING: China PCR test orders soared before first reported COVID case. Government contracts show surges in Wuhan-area purchases starting May 2019. – Nikkei Asia

    1173. mnw says:

      There is a GOP Senate candidate in NV who interests me– Sam Brown, who was disfigured while serving in Afghanistan. I suspect Adam Laxalt is probably favored to win the primary, though.

    1174. Wes says:

      Hell, Tg, if you keep digging you’ll go to China and be back by tomorrow.

    1175. NYCmike says:

      “How come our “intelligence” missed this? What was Millie Vanilli doing?”

      -Of course, the FBI, CIA and other so-called intelligence agencies can NEVER be gotten rid of, so why should you expect them to actually do the job they are tasked to do?

    1176. Tgca says:

      1194

      But you’ll still exempt yourself from nuance Wes when it applies to you or go all WESCON 1 on folks that will make my ears blush.

      Again, I don’t mind that you have some bigotry in you as most Americans do and you can’t fathom how AA see Romney’s remarks as racist but that’s just part of your southern whiteness.

    1177. Paul says:

      F off Tina.

    1178. Wes says:

      1196 is the kind of post a person who wants to respond but has nothing types.

    1179. Tgca says:

      Can I get a F off too please. I’m feeling left out.

      Biden is a corrupt politician that lied on national TV about his haste decision to evacuate from Afghanistan resulting in the death of 13 Americans and he has been contradicted by SOS, SOD, and JC Leader.

      This has to be worthy of a F off for showing Bien lied, and people died.

    1180. Tgca says:

      1200

      So Wes doesn’t deny his racist self as a southern white.

      Not surprising.

    1181. Tina says:

      More bad economic news today.

      Oil hit the highest price since 2014.

    1182. Tgca says:

      Andrew Yang quits Democratic Party, calls it ‘the right thing’ to do

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/andrew-yang-quits-democratic-party

    1183. Tgca says:

      I see Wes has a new issue to peddle.

      A North Carolina county is insisting that its local school board institute a policy that would discipline or fire teachers if they assert that the American Founders were not heroes, if they make statements undermining the Constitution, or if they assert that racism is endemic in America.

      You suggest the south was racist and I’ll get you fired!!!

      https://www.dailywire.com/news/north-carolina-county-wants-teachers-fired-disciplined-if-they-undermine-constitution-bash-founders-say-americas-racist

    1184. Wes says:

      Denying it would imply I consider the allegation to have enough merit to justify a response, Tg. Instead I’m just going to continue laughing at you for making an ass out of yourself.

    1185. jason says:

      Is it real hot yet where you are digging, Tgca? You must be at least 30k feet down by now.

    1186. Tina says:

      Fraudci is an evil tyrant

      Keean Bexte
      @TheRealKeean
      · Oct 3
      “There comes a time when you do have to give up what you consider your individual right of making your own decision for the greater good of society.”

    1187. jason says:

      and probably 30% to 40% of the public would agree with me then on Romney’s comment.”

      More like 47%. All the moonbats, Dems and the MSM would surely agree with you.

      Too bad you agree with them.

    1188. jason says:

      Paul the Lonely Troll is back?

      Has Biden tanked your fictitious “small business” yet?

    1189. jason says:

      If you tell me it’s either a yes or no answer and no room for gray or clarification ”

      Still waiting for the “clarification”

      YOU called Romney a racist for the 47% comment.

      Saying “some people consider it racist” is not a clarification.

      Here is your direct quote. I don’t see any “gray” in it.

      “Shall we forget Romney’s racist 47% remark which constantly reminded folks of why the GOP has trouble at tracking minorities?”

      and

      “I don’t think Romney will be remembered for his political career. He will be remembered for his racist 47% remark,…”

      Where is the gray exactly?

    1190. jason says:

      I can’t prove he had racism in his heart when he said it, and you can’t prove he did not.”

      BS, more digging and more goal post moving.

      Romney may be a lot of things, but one thing that has never come up in his life is accusations that he is a racist. The guy has been in public life for decades, so yes pretty good “proof” he is no racist.

      You made that up, and now twisting yourself into a pretzel and digging a big hole to try to say it was “nuanced”.

      Nuanced and gray my ass.

    1191. Tgca says:

      Jadon likes to claim how anti-conservative the MSM and Dems are but when one in his own party he supported makes similar statements of the left he says that’s different and e dry one really knew what Romney meant. Evidently large portions of the AA community would disagree with Jadon.

      Listen, I gave you an opt out to explain why some see Romney’s 47% was racist but you insist it has to be an absolute yes or no response so I gave you my absolute answer if the only two choices are yes or no to whether Romney’s comment is racist. Yes!…under your rules.

      I gave you example of Dick Army too. Gay bigot! Yes if my only answer is yes or no.

      You don’t mix up Frank with fag and say nothing to see there.

    1192. Tgca says:

      1210

      Is that like Dennis Hastert being in public life for decades being a well-respected moral upright citizen? Nothing ever came up about him either until he got nailed in banking disclosures.

    1193. Phil says:

      Paul is really in a foul mood today. Lol

    1194. NYCmike says:

      Tgca,

      How in any way is that remark a RACIST REMARK?

      You cheapen the term “racist” when you say such things.

      As for jason and his YES/NO questions, that is all his brain is capable of.

      Do I eat now or later? is his type of question.

      His answer will be Yes and Yes

    1195. Wes says:

      One word describes Tgca’s posts today.

      Can you say desperate?

      Good. I knew that you could.

    1196. Wes says:

      Blacks thought Romney was making a racist remark against them, yet against a sitting black President, Romney’s support among blacks in 2012 increased in both percentages and absolute numbers over McCain’s 2008 showing. Clearly many blacks didn’t get the memo that Romney was attacking their race in 2012.

      As far as Dick Armey, while, no, that statement against Barney Frank wasn’t an innocent slip of the tongue, it’s completely irrelevant to what Romney said and bears no comparison.

    1197. Tgca says:

      1209

      I specifically noted in my comment why GOP has trouble attracting minorities. Of course I know many in the GOP did not see that comment as racist but I think it has racist roots and tried to explain why as many in the GOP are blind and turn an eye to these things, as often do the Dems similarly.

      The GOP has struggled with attracting minorities and there’s a reason for that and if you can’t accept that because you advocate for the GOP, it tells me your not being honest with yourself, of why the GOP struggles.

      Sorry! I don’t think there’s anything decent about Romney. He has about as much ethics as Bill Clinton and that has shown itself over the last couple of years so pardon me if I look back and say now I don’t trust anything this guy says or ever said.

      Just like now you look back,and realized Hastert should be reviewed with suspicion after what he did to boys and anything he ever said should be taken with a grain of salt.

      For Christ sakes, 3rd in line for the presidency was a GOP child sexual predator. Your opinion has not changed of him?

    1198. jason says:

      How in any way is that remark a RACIST REMARK?

      You cheapen the term “racist” when you say such things.

      As for jason and his YES/NO questions”

      LOL

      NYC admits the comment was NOT racist, same thing I said.

    1199. Wes says:

      Tgca:

      DIG, BABY, DIG!!!!

    1200. Wes says:

      The GOP has struggled with attracting minorities and there’s a reason for that and if you can’t accept that because you advocate for the GOP, it tells me your not being honest with yourself, of why the GOP struggles.

      Fractured grammar aside, this sentence actually has some salience buried in the hyperbolic accusations.

      Of course what Romney said is not the hill to die on about this since Romney was referring to class rather than race.

      Roy Moore with his statement that blacks were better off under slavery and Confederate Corey Stewart in Virginia would actually be genuine examples of what Tgca is talking about.

    1201. Tgca says:

      1216

      Again Wes, you speak in absolutes when it is convenient to you. No one ever said 100% of blacks think Romney’s comment was racist. 100% of AA don’t vote the Dem ticket so no one would expects you have to have 100% offended to offend the majority.

      You grasping at straws because you don’t like the fact that you supported a man that made comments perceived racist by the AA community.

      Stop running from your inner souther white male bigotry. It’s ok. You’re not the only bigot at HHR.

    1202. Wes says:

      Tgca, I’m willing to say I have at least as good a grasp of English as you. You DIDN’T say certain people people perceived what Romney said as racist–at least at first. You outright called it racist. You’ve been all over the place since trying to backpedal and refine what you said to universally negative reaction.

      It is amusing to watch you become a human pretzel in your attempts, but honestly we all saw what you said. You should own it rather than trying to deflect from it.

    1203. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “More bad economic news today. Oil hit the highest price since 2014”

      Don’t worry, Biden will beg Saudi Arabia to give us more. He is shutting down most of the U.S. oil production to save the planet.

    1204. jason says:

      Tgca is getting close to the Earth’s core by now.

    1205. Wes says:

      That’s if he hasn’t passed it already, Jason.

    1206. Wes says:

      Say hi to David Innes for me, Tg.

    1207. jason says:

      You outright called it racist.”

      Right. He explains why “others” think it is racist still has not explained why HE thinks it is racist.

      The ultimate cop-out.

      I remember when the Biden Troll used to do the same thing when he trashed Rubio.

      He would say things like Rubio was not eligible to be President because of his Cuban parents but then when challenged would say he “was only posting what others were saying”.

      Zzzzzzz.

    1208. Tgca says:

      1222

      I’m not back pedaling. I’m giving you a view on what my perspective is. If you want me to detail every post of WHY I think what I stated that, that is silly.

      As a minority growing up I have seen these kind of comments 1st hand. I can relate to why AA feel it’s racist. If you force me into a yes or no, then I unequivocally state yes but life is more nuanced than that a simple yes or no.

      You and Jadon are trying to make this into if you clarify why you believe it’s racist and you didn’t mention it before than your changing the goal posts. That’s silly!

      I stand by my statement that what Romney said is racist if I have to put it in your terms of yes or no.

      Sorry if you don’t like that but the GOP and especially privileged white men like Romney have a long history of bigotry.

      If that offends you, tough! That’s the perception of the GOP by a large segment of the population and you seem to resent being part of a group perceived that way and your fighting over it only cements it more.

      Why don’t you go to your local AA community and play that tape for them tomorrow and tell them it’s not racist and see the response you get.

    1209. jason says:

      Tgca still digging!

      Now we are going to play the tape for Democrats to decide whether it is racist or not?

      LOL

    1210. Cash Cow TM says:

      I would gladly pay Zuckerberg $3 a year to have no ads pop up on my Facebook page.

      $5/year if it could get rid of all ads plus all photos of food and pets.

    1211. Wes says:

      You’re assuming I’m offended, Tg. I’m not. I’m just finding your initial statement and subsequent attempts to deflect from what you said hilarious.

      You just can’t admit you were wrong. That’s why you have to hurl false accusations and make pointless irrelevant observations.

    1212. jason says:

      I stand by my statement that what Romney said is racist if I have to put it in your terms of yes or no.”

      YOU put it in terms of yes or no, nobody else.

      You categorically affirmed it was racist, you did not come up with the BS “well, some people thought it was” until you were challenged.

      Own up and stop lying.

    1213. Tgca says:

      1227

      Jadon is the pot calling the kettle black here. You often make statements and when called on it claimed you have to look at in context like when you excuse away Reagan’s tariffs that you have been widely mocked here for nuancing since it does not meet your narrative on tariffs are always bad.

      If I knew you guys would get so hung up on the words I would have qualified it earlier on but I made my position clear. I think that Romney comment is racially insensitive or racist or whatever you want to call it to minorities and I think he knew that when he said it because he’s no dummy but he said it anyways being he thought he had a friendly crowd.

      Does that make him a rabid hateful racist? No! But after seeing a side of Romney since 2016 we had not need seen before, I would revisit any comments he made in the past with suspicion because I think he has NO ethics or integrity.

    1214. jason says:

      If you had qualified your comment and said “some minorities could have interpreted Romney’s comment as racist” nobody would have objected, we know Democrats and the MSM think just about everything Rs say is racist.

      But you didn’t. You said clear as day, Romney’s 47% comment was racist” no if, ands or buts and no nuance or qualification.

      So now you are lying through your teeth on dozens of posts trying to back down.

      The truth will set you free.

    1215. Wes says:

      The clothes I have in my drawer right now are spinning less than Tg.

    1216. jason says:

      hen you excuse away Reagan’s tariffs that you have been widely mocked here for nuancing since it does not meet your narrative on tariffs are always bad.”

      zzzz… more lies.

      I never defended Reagan’s tariffs. I never agreed with them once here.

      But Reagan believed in free trade, he didn’t believe in a trade policy based on tariffs and protectionism and isolationism and trade wars like Trump does.

      I didn’t defend any tariffs. I objected to you comparing Trump to Reagan on trade, which was ultimate stupidity.

    1217. Tgca says:

      1232

      There you go again. Anytime your challenged with nuance or detail you accuse folks of lying. That and your “hey ma” is your MO when you can’t bully others into submission.

      I will debate you on this the next 3 weeks if necessary to call you out on your hypocrisy,

      I saw no need to explain why it was racist until you guys started hen pecking over it.

      Face it! You supported a man in 2012 that made a bigoted comment and I believe knew exactly what he was saying but didn’t care because he thought it would never get past the friendly crowd in the room. That doesn’t make him but it is telling of him by many.

      If you can’t see how minorities don’t see that as a slant at them, then you know little history of race relations in the US.

    1218. jason says:

      Does that make him a rabid hateful racist?”

      GOALPOST MOVING ALERT!

    1219. jason says:

      I saw no need to explain why it was racist until you guys started hen pecking over it.”

      OK, getting close to China now.

    1220. Tgca says:

      1236

      So how could Reagan believe in free trade if he set tariffs? That makes no sense! He is either free trader or not and free traders don’t do tariffs.

      Please nuance away and tell us why it makes Reagan a free trader bit others who do it are isolationists.

    1221. Tgca says:

      You’ve dug yourself to China and back on defending Reagan the free trader with his tariffs.

      Do you see the irony in your hypocrisy?

    1222. jason says:

      I think that Romney comment is racially insensitive or racist or whatever you want to call it to minorities”

      Explanation no. 89-B, still fails to convince anyone.

    1223. Wes says:

      At this rate, Jason, Tg’s going to surface on the crest of Everest.

    1224. Tgca says:

      1234

      Victim playing here you are Yoda would say.

      With reference below, I would counter you with, …and Christians and conservatives think everything the Dems and MSM say is anti-conservative and anti-Christian. I fault both sides for playing the victim.

      If you had qualified your comment and said “some minorities could have interpreted Romney’s comment as racist” nobody would have objected, we know Democrats and the MSM think just about everything Rs say is racist.

    1225. jason says:

      Reagan believed in free trade. He defended it all his life. He imposed some limited tariffs as President, I think it was a mistake, but it doesn’t change his core principles.

      Trump has opposed free trade for 40 years, it is well documented. He based his trade polity on tariffs and trade wars and the failed AFL-CIO agenda of the last 70 years. His core principles are protectionism and isolationism, Reagan’s were the opposite.

      Sorry if you can’t see the difference.

    1226. Tgca says:

      1243

      But at least there won’t be any white southern racists there who are in denial over racism against minorities.

      We now know there’s a reason you never leave NC Wes.

    1227. jason says:

      At this rate, Jason, Tg’s going to surface on the crest of Everest.”

      What flag do you think he will plant there?

      Maybe the AFL-CIO flag?

    1228. Tgca says:

      1242

      Well, I’m a few hundred versions behind your Reagan is a free trader nonsense after the Reagan Tariifs.

    1229. Tgca says:

      1247

      The MAGA flag!

    1230. Tgca says:

      1246

      Reagan defended free trade his whole life except when he implemented tariffs.

      Reagan was for low taxes except when he raised them, especially in CA.

      Reagan was a true conservative except when he supported FDR and lefty radicals for two decades in Hollywood.

      Reagan was a real Republican except when he was a Democrat for 30 years.

      Shall we continue with FACTS!

    1231. mnw says:

      1223

      “More bad news today. Oil hit highest price since 2014.”

      Well… if one is way overweight the energy sector, if one accordingly has lots of oil, natural gas & midstream companies in one’s IRA, perhaps it wasn’t all THAT bad, really.

    1232. Tgca says:

      Now this is serious foreign policy chit on Biden’s watch even if it’s just posturing and chest pounding that leads nowhere.

      Taiwanese Foreign Minister warns his country is preparing for war with China, asks Australia for help

      Taiwan’s Foreign Minister said in an interview:

      “If China is going to launch a war against Taiwan we will fight to the end, and that is our commitment

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-04/taiwan-preparing-for-war-with-china/100511294

    1233. Tgca says:

      1251

      Who cares MNW!

      We’re going to war with China to protect Australia and Taiwan.

      Milley needs to call his counterpart in China and let him know our plans, when and where because he promised a call before any attack.

    1234. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca will keep this debate going for 3 weeks? Well, that would beat the 9 Day Woke War. However, the Civil War civil war should easily retain the title of Longest HHR Fight.

    1235. Tgca says:

      1254

      I knew that would get your attention Bitter.

      Can’t have me breaking your record now, can I?

      But I’m willing to try with all this free time on my hands.

    1236. jason says:

      “Reagan defended free trade his whole life.

      Reagan was for low taxes.

      Reagan was a true conservative.

      Reagan was a real Republican.”

      I guess Tgca is upset that Trump was for none of those.

      Oh well..

    1237. Tgca says:

      1254

      I don’t recall the Civil War civil war debate. Did I miss something?

    1238. jason says:

      Tgca will keep digging and lying for 3 weeks?

      Sorry, won’t even be close to the record.

      Amoral Scumbag has been doing it for way over a decade.

    1239. Bitterlaw says:

      I’m sitting this one out. Have fun.

    1240. jason says:

      Wow, Doug Wilder, former Gov and a Democrat, throws McAuliffe under the bus?

      “If parents don’t have a say-so in terms of their kid’s education, then who does?” said former Virginia Governor Doug Wilder when asked about Terry McAuliffe saying, “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach”

    1241. Tgca says:

      1256

      Apparently neither was Reagan when you look at some of his policies.

      Gawd! I hope this does t turn into an ALWAYS debate with Jadon since ALWAYS does not mean ALWAYS with Jadon when it comes to Reagan.

    1242. Bitterlaw says:

      I have been fighting with Wes about the Civil War for as long as he has been here. I called it the Civil Wat Civil War to be clever. It obviously failed.

    1243. Tgca says:

      1256

      I fixed your post and added one you forgot.

      Reagan defended free trade his whole life but NOT ALWAYS!

      Reagan was for low taxes but NOT ALWAYS!

      Reagan was a true conservative but NOT ALWAYS!

      Reagan was a real Republican but NOT ALWAYS!

      Reagan was for cutting gubbermint spending but NOT ALWAYS!

    1244. Tgca says:

      1262

      No! It was clever. I got that part.

      I just don’t ever recall a Civil War civil war that lasted past 9 days straights but that could have been in one of my extended absences unless you count temporary truces which I don’t think work well here.

    1245. Tgca says:

      1263

      Actually, I recall more of your accusations of Wes preying on young emotional girls and the Sewer State debates more often than your Civil War civil war but again, I did have some extended absences so not sure where the 3 rank in the most posts.

    1246. mnw says:

      At present, China doesn’t have the military capacity, i.e., amphibious warfare capability, to invade Taiwan. It just doesn’t.

      It may one day have that, but not today. I’m sure Taiwan would sleep better if Bad Orange Man was still around, though.

    1247. Tgca says:

      1258

      I don’t think long-standing rivalries count. It has to be an uninterrupted topic ad nauseam debate like a tennis match of back and forth.

    1248. Tgca says:

      1266

      A lot of testosterone flying around in the South Pacific and Eastern sphere.

      Perhaps Biden needs to step in and throw his weight around and scare folks back into their neutral corners.

    1249. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes and I have probably been fighting about the Civil War four times longer than the length of the war itself.

    1250. Bitterlaw says:

      Well, you have 20 1/2 more days to go. Get to it.

    1251. Tina says:

      The Jerusalem Post
      @Jerusalem_Post
      · 18m
      The effectiveness of the @pfizer /BioNTech SE vaccine in preventing infection by the coronavirus dropped to 47% from 88% six months after the second dose, according to data published on Monday.

      https://jpost.com/breaking-news/pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-drops-after-6-months-study-681061

    1252. jason says:

      At present, China doesn’t have the military capacity, i.e., amphibious warfare capability, to invade Taiwan. It just doesn’t.”

      Even if it did, I doubt they would want to pay the price.

      An intact Taiwan is a valuable asset to China. A destroyed Taiwan would be a huge economic burden.

      In addition, such a war would be very expensive in both in terms of lives lost and financially. In an all out war, Taiwan will do tremendous damage to the Chinese mainland.

      The Chicoms are pragmatic. They will saber rattle and try to isolate Taiwan and bully them into a negotiated settlement.

      All out war? Nah.

    1253. jason says:

      If the Chinese don’t want to destroy Taiwan with thousands of missiles before invading, then their “invasion force” would be a sitting duck.

      Neither option seems that attractive. Destroy your objective or incur massive losses trying to conquer it.

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2020/10/26/to-thwart-invasion-taiwan-points-powerful-new-missiles-at-chinese-bases/?sh=423e916f47f6

    1254. Tgca says:

      I don’t expect Jadon or Wes to understand this but it’s a real concern among minorities. Just ask Tiger Woods.

      ACLU implies golf is racist, demands university replace it with track and field

      I knew there was a reason I never liked golf!

      https://www.wnd.com/2021/10/aclu-implies-golf-racist-demands-university-replace-track-field/

    1255. Tgca says:

      Here’s something for you straight boys to drool over this evening.

      https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/playboy.jpg

    1256. jason says:

      Heh, I like it. No brainer.

      Won’t happen though.

      “Sen. Susan Collins of Maine suggested some Republicans would back a debt limit hike if Democrats abandoned the $3.5 trillion social spending package containing the bulk of President Joe Biden’s economic agenda”

    1257. jason says:

      Dems won by 10 in 2020, so a small shift won’t be enough for Youngkin.

      But if Youngkin has some momentum, which I think he does, it could be interesting.

      If I was Youngkin I would camp out in NOVA and campaign there 24/7. Not to win it, not to come close, just not to lose it by a massive number.

    1258. jason says:

      Tempted to put $800 on Youngkin at 4-1.

      $3200 buys a lot of scrapple.

    1259. jason says:

      Where did everyone go?

      I get profoundly irritated by people who have lives.

    1260. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      1268. “A lot of testosterone flying around in the South Pacific and Eastern sphere. Perhaps Biden needs to step in and throw his weight around and scare folks back into their neutral corners.”

      I fail to see how someone suffering from andropause can scare anyone.

    1261. Bitterlaw says:

      I know it is extremely unlikely but it would be awesome if Manchin and Sinema switched parties just to F over the loons on the left. They would still vote as Dems on almost every issue but stripping Schumer of his power would be great.

    1262. jason says:

      The MSM meltdown would be epic.

    1263. jason says:

      I think the R vs. D registration numbers are less important because there are a lot more Indies.

    1264. jason says:

      Most people outside the US that I know view Biden as a doddering old fool. Even those that agree with him.

    1265. jason says:

      Where is DW.

      What is your take on the VA race. Seems like Youngkin is favored to win Virgina Beach and normally it is difficult for Dems to win the state if they lose there.

      Or is it because Youngkin is from the area so it is not as significant?

      I am thinking of investing in this race, I kinda like the 4-1 odds.

    1266. Tgca says:

      1290

      Most people INSIDE the US that I know view Biden as a doddering old fool even those that agree with him.

    1267. Tgca says:

      1291

      I might invest as well. $3,200 winnings can buy a lot of tofu.

    1268. jason says:

      I wouldn’t pay 10 cents for $3200 worth of tofu.

    1269. Bitterlaw says:

      They charge for Tofu? I thought it was a byproduct of some industrial process and they gave it away.

    1270. jason says:

      I asked Amos if he had ever eaten tofu.

      He said what is tofu?

      I said it was a kind of paste made of soybeans.

      He said some Amish grow soybeans to sell to the English, but he never knew what they did with it.

      I said some people eat it instead of meat and they eat a lot of it in China. He said the English are crazy.

    1271. Tgca says:

      …and they wanted this guy on SCOTUS?

      AG Garland has sent a memo identifying intimidation tactics and harassment against school boards, teachers, school staff, etc as domestic terrorism essentially, and will work to establish a threat reporting system which no doubt in my mind will be abused by wokesters pushing their radical agenda.

      This is outrageous! This is an attempt to silence public debate and scare people into thinking the FBI will come knocking at their door if they challenge school boards’ radical agenda.

      They cite no evidence in their memo but BLM can burn down police stations in violent protests and that’s not intimidation and harassment? Unbelievable!

      Bitter needs to be very careful at this point or he could find himself incarcerated like Jan 6th protestors for extended period of time and lose his job – again.

      https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/merrick-garland-school-board-protests-are-domestic-terrorism/

    1272. Phil says:

      Three and a half trillion dollars worth of spending costs zero dollars.

      Following a US Senator into a bathroom stall, recording her and posting on the internet is just “part of the process”

      The Normal continues.

    1273. jason says:

      Biden is telling the moonbats to go for a package “between 1.9 and 2.3 trillion”.

      Maybe Manchin and Sinema will fold, but I haven’t heard either one sign off on this.

    1274. jason says:

      I will take coke and cigarettes to Bitter in jail, not too worry.

      I know he doesn’t smoke, but he will probably start.

    1275. Phil says:

      400,000 crossing the border this month. Memo from Biden administration to border patrol to just release them into the country. Don’t bother to even issue notices to appear….not that “immigrants without papers” would appear anyway.

      Walk across the border and you can stay. Wink wink. There you have it. Borders erased.

      Normal.

    1276. Cash Cow TM says:

      Sick of constant impasse in Congress.

      Maybe what the U.S. needs is to have a plebiscite.

      Every 2 years during federal elections, have a couple questions on the ballot where people can vote on whether or not to do X, Y, or Z.

      Like..

      –Should we be linking unrelated bills and holding the good one one hostage in order to get the bad one passed?

      –Should we be spending X trillions on this or that?

      –Should everyone get free everything forever?

      –Should we actually enforce border law?

      Of course, the big battle then would be how the question is written on the ballot. To wit:

      “Do you favor bankrupting the country, ruining the economy and increasing federal power through instituting draconian Glow-Bull warming laws, rules and rules?”

      or

      “Do you favor saving the planet and preventing human extinction by passing common sense legislation to address climate change?”
      **********************************************
      My GOAL is to have a vote of the people for lawmakers to consider. Cow’s gut feeling (and remember I have 4 stomachs) is that the votes would result in a bitch slap of the left wing liberal agenda.

    1277. jason says:

      Governing by plebiscite won’t happen because it is contrary to our system of government, which is based on the concept that if the people are not satisfied with the decisions of the current administration/congress they can vote them out in the next election.

      Because the MSM is so influential and biased, I would not recommend it because as Cow points out, the wording of the question is fundamental to the result.

      For example spending on infrastructure is “popular”, until you start defining what infrastructure is.

      Same with immigration. You will get a different answer if you ask “Should immigration laws be enforced” (majority Yes) and if you ask should Dreamers who through no fault of their own who have been raised in the US be allowed to stay (majority Yes).

    1278. jason says:

      400,000 crossing the border this month.”

      Has NYC come by yet to claim WE ARE WINNING?