ABC News and Washington Post Show GOP By Double Digits on Dems

    The headline highlights Joe Biden’s sinking job approval ratings but the most stark number from this morning’s ABC News-Washington Post poll shows Republicans now holding a double-digit lead when it comes to the generic congressional ballot, an all-time high.

    Republican 51%
    Democratic 41%

    This poll was done November 7-10 among registered voters. It is also worth pointing out that in the final Washington Post poll for the recently completed Virginia gubernatorial race, they claimed Democrat Terry McAuliffe was ahead only to see him lose by 2%, a three-percentage point swing towards the GOP candidate.

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    1. jason says:

      Follow your exalted leader.

    2. jason says:

      Tgca says:
      November 14, 2021 at 12:53 pm

      When did Bitter last go to Walmart?”

      He is now driving 170 miles round trip to go to Kmart to show how he supports deplorables.

      Give him a break.

    3. Tgca says:

      Tres Bebe! Tres!

    4. Tgca says:

      This poll supports my view in 780 of last thwed.

      The fact that Youngkin did better with deplorables and suburban skanks than Trump has to do with VA folks being angry as Hell and not that he has a better message than Trump.

      He has the same message as Trump! He purposely ran to court Trump voters too and collaborated with the Trump team to do that.

      Like CA, NJ, and NY, many GOP leaning voters there are not as enthusiastic about turning out for the GOP if they feel it goes no where anyway. No one expected Trump to realistically win VA in 2020 so my guess is the increase in VA GOP voters in 2021 was not about the candidate but about the issues.

      Youngkin is no Trump and my gut feel is that this could all turn around in 2025 if voters don’t remain as angry and if the GOP controls Congress in 2022 or the WH in 2024.

      The 2021 and 2022 elections are about massive anger and not ideological or party allegiance.

      Biden is making the same mistakes Clinton did in his 1st two years, only worse me thinks, when Clinton then got a shellacking in 1994.

      Had Tmac pushed back on the CRT and education issues in VA, and taken a moderate approach, he would have won. He made a colossal strategic error of minimizing CRT and rape in schools.

      Stop trying to argue Youngkin is the new face of the GOP. He is not! He was fortunate to be in a very good place at a very good time, as well as having an issues focused campaign with Trump pushing his supporters to embrace Youngkin.

      Same with the NJ gubbernor race being so close. Many of these angry voters will go right back to not voting or leaning Dem in future elections if their anger subsides.

      Angry voters do NOT equal permanent voters!!! We’ve seen this time and time again.

      The 1994 election proved that and the GOP lost about 4% of the national vote in 1996 it had won in 1994 and then it pretty much stayed even nationally between the two parties the next few years until 2002.

    5. jason says:

      I don’t always agree with the expert but Tgca made some points I agree with.

      There is a deep fallacy with the “rising tide floats all boats” theory to explain the GOP’s win in VA. It doesn’t happen by accident. You need a good reason for the tide to rise.

      The GOP has a chance here for a major realignment, but it is not going to happen with Bitter’s insincere and vapid “I also want more working class votes” type of approach.

      As Tgca points out, Youngkin eked out a narrow win because the Dems self destructed on CRT and school curriculums and transgender/rape issues.

      Youngkin is no Donald Trump and is not the new face of the GOP. The suburban elitists are getting the wrong message if they think that (which they do).

      “Angry voters do not equal permanent voters”.


    6. Tgca says:

      I’m glad my ALLY Jadon agrees with me, as he should but does not always, hence the reason he is no EXPERT!

      I’ve not seen this much anger across the board in the electorate since 1994. Whether it will sustain it through voting day in 2022 is yet to be seen.

      I think a major cause of the anger is also fueled from pandemic fatigue and politicians trying to permanently cement in place more power and people on both sides are responding to that as well, feeling overly invaded and having their lives disrupted.

      Let’s face it! Once the gubbermint gets temporary power, they are not likely to let go of it, and more often than not, courts will allow these power grabs to become engrained in society as such power is then extrapolated to similar events to consolidate even more power.

      Who is to say we won’t have flu vaccines mandated next?

      That’s why it’s important to rise up and fight but this voter backlash is not a permanent tide rising. It’s a blip due to enormous anger which will eventually dwindle away.

    7. mnw says:

      Youngkin was very careful NOT to get too close to Trump, literally or figuratively. That was his plan for increasing the GOP vote among suburban voters, esp women, & it worked. Ynk caught some breaks too. Luck is usually the residue of careful planning.

      I realize Trump endorsed Ynk & helped him in the rural counties.

      Ynk threaded a tricky needle.

    8. Tgca says:


      But it is more likely than not those suburban women will abandon Youngkin in the next election. They are not reliable conservative voters. These women tend to be more about “feelings” than long-term strategic goals. Once concerns about CRT and school rape diminishes, they will return to their left-leaning support of Dems.

      They are what I call “intellectually shallow” voters.

    9. Tina says:

      No bump for Xi Biden from the porkustructure bill. Media sites is of a bump.

    10. Tina says:

      NBC’s Stephanie Ruhle Says Americans Should Stop Complaining About Inflation Because They Can Easily Afford to Pay More (VIDEO)

    11. Tina says:

      Ruble must Work for Putzaki.

    12. jason says:

      NBC’s Stephanie Ruhle Says Americans Should Stop Complaining About Inflation Because They Can Easily Afford to Pay More ”

      Heh, sounds like Bitter’s friends and neighbors.

    13. Wes says:

      Tgca provides vapid, generic analysis that must have taken about 10 seconds to think up.

      Obviously Youngkin had to have some luck to beat McAuliffe in VA given the Commonwealth’s current political alignment. That’s not in dispute. That Youngkin was able to both increase Trump’s margins in the GOP-friendly areas of the state and decrease Biden’s numbers in NoVA enough to win is impressive regardless of how much Tgca wants to show Youngkin the finger and demean his loss.

      That accomplishment took adroit political maneuvering on Youngkin’s part and showed political skill by a first-time candidate in a state trending almost strictly away from the GOP since 2005 that is impressive.

      Where I agree with Tgca is in saying Youngkin–at least currently–isn’t the new face of the GOP. Youngkin hasn’t even taken office; ergo, we don’t know how good a Governor and politician he will be. He may yet become the face of the GOP, but at the moment, his one claim to fame is winning a contentious race he was the underdog in for much of the year. That’s far from enough to make Youngkin the face of anything other than the Governor of Virginia.

      The rest of Tg’s rant is effectively a cut-and-paste article written to detract from a victory any time a surprise candidate wins. It told me nothing I didn’t know already but that Tgca felt strongly enough about demeaning Youngkin’s victory to drone on and on about how overrated Youngkin is for several paragraphs.

    14. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason had more than 4 hours to produce the posts where I allegedly disparaged deplorables, working class and minority voters. The result? No posts proving his accusation.

      We won to grab a playoff spot. GFY.

    15. jason says:

      MSNBC take on the supply chain problem.

      Trucking “is an industry populated by a lot of white men over the age of 55. This group of people overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Some people have talked about, you know, aggressive truck drivers cutting them off or not being helpful.”


    16. jason says:

      Jason had more than 4 hours to produce the posts”

      Dang, I didn’t even know I had the assignment.

    17. DW says:

      Here is the official statement from the United Nations’ environmental protection boss:

      “We have ten years to stop the catastrophe.”

      Oh, and that statement was from 1972.

    18. jason says:

      Tgca did not “demean” Youngkin’s win, what a crock of crap.

      He correctly cautions the elitist suburban Rs that want to use Youngkin’s win to anoint him as the new face of the GOP and as some kind of reason to ignore where the real focus of the R party should be going forward.

      Of course, Tgca’s post does not fit wes’ TDS narrative, so anything that doesn’t go along with his tunnel vision is going to be attacked.

    19. Bitterlaw says:

      Many truck drivers are waiting for all the stuff sitting on the ships that are not being unloaded.

      Legal practice tip – It is good to represent a truck driver in a workers compensation case because they have high earnings. In a civil suit, it is bad to represent a truck driver because juries always remember bad interactions with trucks.

    20. Wes says:

      You’re a liar, Jason. That’s no surprise though.

      Tgca’s entire screed was a passive-aggressive assault on Youngkin’s victory. There was literally nothing else to it.

    21. jason says:

      The supply chain problem is due to the fact white truckers cut people off.

    22. Wes says:

      I never mentioned Trump except in passing in terms of what Tgca had written, yet somehow my post exhibited TDS.

      You should go back to fantasizing about having GWB ramrod your ass hole, Jason. You’re far better at that than at political analysis.

    23. jason says:

      wes’s entire post was a passive-aggressive assault on Tgca’s well thought out post due to his pathological TDS.

    24. Bitterlaw says:

      22 That escalated quickly.

    25. Wes says:

      No. Your entire post was the illiterate rantings of a drooling moron who read TDS into a post scarcely even mentioning Trump.

    26. jason says:

      wes back to his sophomoric and vapid TDS idiocies, which dominate every post he writes here and must consume his whole life.

      Let’s hear again how there can be no fraud anywhere in the US because wes thinks there was none in NC.

    27. jason says:

      Tgca’s entire screed was a passive-aggressive assault on Youngkin’s victory.”

      Your TDS comes across in everything you write.

      You are a one trick pony, and not very smart at that.

    28. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca trashed Reagan as just an actor. Not sure why he dislikes Republicans who win.

    29. Wes says:

      Eh. Jason’s been posting GWB homoerotica for over a decade now, Bitter. When he spouts his inane pablum, I tend to throw it in his face occasionally.

    30. Wes says:

      The king of stupid one-trick ponies has the chutzpah to make that accusation against me.

      That is absolutely hilarious.

    31. Bitterlaw says:

      Not worshipping Trump is the current definition of TDS? Wes voted for Trump.

    32. Tgca says:


      As a novice political pundit like all others here, Wes…and yes, Wes, you are a novice political pundit and exhibit no great expertise in politics that would qualify you for a job in the real world of politics though you try to pass yourself off as such by namedropping and noting historical trends that most here already know or could find simply by doing 5 minutes of research on the internet.

      You have no more analysis or knowledge to share than anyone else here to provide further insight into Youngkin’s win but your “feelings” on why you think he won.

      I think it takes great chutzpah for Wes to suggest someone else’s analysis is naive or sophomoric when that’s all what he posts here. He posts what he “feels” or “thinks”…and then he goes all WESCON when he’s challenged which is not only a sign of his immaturity but his insecurity and why he could probably never hold a job in the real world of politics and instead gives back rubs for a living.

      I acknowledged Youngkin ran a disciplined campaign and focused on the issues important to VA voters which is what every political candidate should do in EVERY race. That is not rocket science!

      Until Youngkin can show he can keep these voters where many switched sides, I will call it as I see it – more luck and timing of angry voters turning out and the fact that his opponent self-destructed on key issues. To somehow suggest this guy has the goods to turn VA red at this point is more about wishful thinking than political analysis.

      As an example, I also pointed out similarly what happened in NJ. Is Wes suggesting a truck driver with no political experience also ran a highly skilled strategically designed political campaign to unseat the sitting Senate president? No! It was luck and angry voters that gave him that win, and the fact his opponent did not take him seriously.

      These things happen often and 1994 was a good example of it where many folks got blasted out of office due to angry voters.

      This was an election about anger and that was reflected throughout the US at many levels. It was not an election shift in political ideology or great strategic campaigning.

    33. jason says:

      Anything that doesn’t fit wes’ stupid TDS triggers the same old tired and hackneyed rants.

    34. jason says:

      Like I said, when wes loses an argument he starts talking about GWB.

      BDS is his backup for TDS.

    35. jason says:

      Not worshipping Trump is the current definition of TDS? Wes voted for Trump.”

      You are really denying wes has terminal TDS?

    36. jason says:

      I think it takes great chutzpah for Wes to suggest someone else’s analysis is naive or sophomoric when that’s all what he posts here. He posts what he “feels” or “thinks”…and then he goes all WESCON when he’s challenged which is not only a sign of his immaturity but his insecurity”

      That is it in a nutshell.

      WHen you read wes’ vapid posts, I am always reminded of the old commercial, “where is the beef”.

      It is always based on some baseless unfounded and unsupported BS.

    37. Bitterlaw says:

      Wes voted for Trump. He did not think Trump would be re-elected. I would not classify that as TDS.

    38. Wes says:


      The fantasy about having GWB give it to him up the ass must not have gotten Jason.

      I said nothing good or bad about Trump in my post directed at Tgca’s cut-and-paste rant, yet somehow I was exhibiting TDS.

      In not one post have I said anything negative about Trump, yet this illiterate moron is using it as a distraction from what I actually did say.

      What an idiot.

    39. Gordon Allen says:

      I’ve really tried to stay out of this,but Wes has certifiable level of hatred for Trump,presumably a person he’s never met other than like most of us through media sources.
      That left wingers, establishment/ government types,the MSM I can actually understand.
      Character? BS. Clinton ,the Biden crime family relative crickets from him..
      I remember asking him if there was a personal reason, and got crickets.
      Have I missed an explanation along the way? What exactly is the real beef?
      And before he goes on the ignorant rant about my being a Trump sycophant, after supporting Rubio over Trump in 2016,and now DeSantis over Trump in 2024 ,does anyone know the real reason,as otherwise it appears by definition irrational.

    40. Wes says:

      Right, Bitter.

      I voted for Trump.

      I predicted Trump would carry NC.

      I repeatedly said Trump had significant accomplishments as President but endangered himself by his public behavior.

      In Tiny Brain Jason’s world, that’s TDS.

    41. jason says:

      Note to wes.

      Youngkin won because he ran close to Trump’s agenda, not because he charted some brilliant independent path.

      I bet wes can’t name one major item on Youngkin’s agenda that Trump did not support.

      Here is what Trump said about Youngkin, contrary to wes’ MSNBC talking points.

      “The fake news media would like to say something else, because they’d like our big, giant, beautiful base like there’s never been before to not vote as much as they’re going to. We have a great relationship and he’s a fantastic guy.”

      “Glenn Youngkin is a Republican candidate,” Trump said at one point. “And you have so many other great people running, but he’s your leader. He’s your big Republican leader in Virginia and they’re going to listen to him, and they’re going to respect him, and you’re going to see things happen in Richmond that you wouldn’t have believed, especially with regard to taxes and your children’s education.”

    42. jason says:

      Wes voted for Trump. He did not think Trump would be re-elected. I would not classify that as TDS.”

      You are ignoring all his anti-Trump rants, as he repeated the MSM talking points here ad-nauseam.

    43. jason says:

      but endangered himself by his public behavior”


      You were a dead ringer for Rachel Maddow here on all your posts about Trump’s “behavior”.

    44. Tgca says:


      I never trashed Reagan as “just an actor.” I posted about how he effectively used his gifts as an actor to be a better communicator and relate to people which he did, just as Trump used his TV personality to identify with many deplorables who wanted an “in your face” candidate to take it to the libs. Those are communication gifts in addition to their political positions.

      You interpret that as “just an actor.” If you want, I can find that post that shows you wrong.

      This is why so many here trash and belittle you.

      You try to put yourself above others here as the ideal conservative when you’re the one supporting woke BS and raised a radically left child in your own home out supporting those causing mayhem in the streets like BLM and Antifa and then you try to pass off her radical views as independent thinking. What does that say about your politics?

      So stop with the “I’m a real conservative” BS because your actions do not match your words and your constant degrading Trump makes us think you have more in common with Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger than any “REAL” conservative.

    45. jason says:

      But wes has now mentioned GWB in about 5 or 6 posts, his usual fallback position.

    46. Tgca says:


      Agreed! It was reported that Youngkin’s campaign was working closely with Trump folks to energize the deplorables in VA without energizing the Dems. Had Trump not done that, Youngkin would not have gotten the Trump voters to the extent he did.

      Youngkin ran on a Trump agenda without Trump actively campaigning in VA which was a designed strategy that Trump signed off on. He could’ve easily overshadowed Youngkin by showing up in VA but he did not based on a coordinated strategy because Youngkin also needed Dem voters to eke out a win which is what also occurred.

      Don’t worry though Jadon, give Wes 5 minutes so he can do internet searches and then try to spout dates and names to support his “feelings” versus what happened.

    47. jason says:

      I don’t care if BDS and TDS dominate wes’s life, I actually feel bad about it, but I am going to call him on it every time.

      Bet on it.

    48. jason says:

      ‘don’t worry though Jadon, give Wes 5 minutes”

      5 minutes is not enough, he will have to come up with something about GWB.

      It takes him 10 minutes to copy an MSM talking point.

    49. Tgca says:


      Yes! His immaturity and insecurity.

      The political “wannabe” expert that has no more political expertise than us other pundits here.

      Hence, the reason he gives back rubs instead of working as a real political strategist.

      The old saying of “those who can do and those who can’t teach” applies here only the updated version in this high tech world is now:

      Those who can do and those who can’t post on the internet.

    50. wheelz91 says:

      Among 8 Battleground States (AZ, FL, GA, NC, NH, NV, PA, WI) the generic ballot extends to R58-D35 (R+23). Among the rest of the country, the GCB is 49R-42D (R+7).

      At this level it should be easy to pickup 4 Senate seats: Az,Ga,NH, and Nv. Who knows what after that!!!

    51. Bitterlaw says:

      My daughter never supported or attended violent protests. The idea of my parenting being judged by somebody who has raised nothing more significant than fish – and killed a lot of them – is laughable.

      I think Trump is a bad person. I think he was a good President and wish he was re-elected. I think both impeachments were BS. I think the accusations about him trying to foment insurrection are BS. I think you are a clown.

    52. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca claims to be a REAL conservative but also accused Romney of being a racist and accuses me of white privilege. That is why he is a clown.

    53. jason says:

      Tgca, you wrote a fair and balanced post about Youngkin, very far from the “demeaning” and “detracting” BS wes came up with.

      But because it did not fit his TDS narrative, he did what he normally does, attack anything that doesn’t fit his extremely narrow and simplistic view of politics.

    54. Tgca says:

      The fact that many in politics agree with my assessment which I held early on in Youngkin’s win suggest they agree with me.

      Youngkin tapped in and took advantage of the anger out there of VA voters and stayed focused and utilized Trump to help him which was a smart thing to do but it also doesn’t take rocket science to stay focused on issues.

      If Tmac had also made his campaign an issue focused one, I suspect he would have kept many of those Dem and Indy moderate voters but he chose to run against Trump, and as usual, Trump outsmarted them by energizing VA deplorables from a distance.

      I was posting about this early after Youngkin won and before newswires hit with detailed analysis the days after the election.

      Based on the reported exit polls and turnout, figuring out why Youngkin won was a no-brainer to me.

    55. jason says:

      I think Trump is a bad person”


    56. Tgca says:



      When you stop supporting wokeness and making excuses for Radnor and Philly libs, I’ll consider you a true conservative.

      Until then, I put you in the same bucket of Republicans that Cheney, Kinzinger…and thank you for reminding me…Romney belong in.

    57. Tgca says:


      You’re the one who bragged your daughter was a lefty and that just shows her independent thinking when in fact it shows her cluelessness and stupidity if she truly supports them as you state. Perhaps you should have kept that to yourself.

      I never said she attended rallies so your reading comprehension sucks and that gives more credence to why you appear to be the most expendable person at your jobs when times are tough.

      I said she supported their mayhem which appears appropriate based on your posts of her supporting the radical left.

    58. Tgca says:

      I hope Youngkin can be a successful and transformational gubbernor but I doubt he can do that in a state like VA where the DC libs outweigh the conservatives in the state…and besides, he will then have a record to run on in a blue state so we’ll see how that goes.

      Just like in NJ, Christie did not transform the state and left with approval ratings in the teens, the lowest ever for a NJ gubbernor, as reported.

      I suspect VA and NJ to bounce back to a solid blue state once the anger subsides. If VA voters stay angry all the way through 2025…great! But I doubt it.

    59. Tgca says:

      Ok. I got errands to do. Make sure WF dies not run out of tofu tonight.

      I’ll let my ally Jadon hold the fort against Bitter’s proclamation of being the “REAL” HHR conservative in spite of his wokeness, and Wes going all WESCON 5 thru 1 as he is offended people don’t accept him as the political expert he so yearns to be.

      Wes is like HHR’s very own AOC. You just can’t get through to him because only he knows the real reasons people vote the way they do.

      I guess we’re all too stoopid to understand the real reasons people vote the way they do because we’re not barmaids or back rubbers.

    60. jason says:

      Here, the perfect ticket for Bitter.

      No threat of the deplorables voting for it.

      “Matt Lewis, a former conservative columnist for The Daily Caller who now writes for Daily Beast, believes Christie could be a formidable candidate against Trump in 2024 but also that primaries but also that — Do not take a drink right now — a Chis Christie/Liz Cheney ticket in 2024 could take out Trump altogether”

    61. jason says:

      Bitter’s friends and neighbors strike again.

      “NBC’s Stephanie Ruhle says the “dirty little secret” of people complaining about paying higher prices for food and fuel for their homes is they can afford it just fine. According to her, people should have been saving during the pandemic and stocks look good.”

    62. Bitterlaw says:

      I did not brag about my daughter being a liberal. Should I not live my daughter because of it? As I said, the criticism of my parenting by somebody who does not and will not have children is laughable.

      My choice for 2024 is DeSantis. I said it months ago. Jason’s stupid lies can’t change that. I also have said that if Trump is the nominee I will vote for him. Jason hardest hit twice.

    63. Bitterlaw says:

      Love, not live.

    64. Skippy says:

      I will cast my vote in GOP primaries for somebody other than Trump.

      I will vote for Trump in the General.

      But no way in hell do I vote for a Nationalist over a Conservative in GOP primary.

      Who will I support in GOP primary?

      I will need to see who commits to running for GOP nomination.

      I’m hoping Tim Scott or Niki Haley takes the plunge. But I could be persuaded to support someone else besides those two candidates. We shall see.

    65. Bitterlaw says:

      It’s always a good day when terrorists blow themselves up and don’t kill anybody else.

    66. Gordon Allen says:

      Bad person. Boy,that’s a reasoned,detailed argument. Who can argue with that?
      Nikki Haley,Chris Christie,Liz Cheney. Just wow!.
      One has to think sometimes there are two galaxies,with occasional cross overs,for some people to be so completely out of it. They have ,any of the above,two chances; none,and less than none.

    67. Bitterlaw says:

      If you want to think that somebody who has been married 3 times because he cheated on the first 2 wives is a good person, go for it.

      I said Trump was a good President. Why do I have to think he is a good person, too?

    68. Tgca says:


      Ok. We can replace “brag” with any other choice word you wish to use.

      The point is, you criticize other liberals but your child is one so that’s hypocritical that you raised a liberal child who will be against what all of us here stand for and believe in, including you but then you excuse that behavior in your child as independent thinking. How come you don’t extend that excuse to all liberals then? Again, hypocrisy.

      No one said you can’t love your child either but then you don’t have a right to criticize other libs for being ignorant, naive, stoopid or whatever without 1st criticizing your liberal adult child of the same.

      …and yes, I get it sometimes kids don’t turn out the way you want them no matter how hard you try. Think of Ron Reagan, Jr. as a classic example. His father became a modern conservative but his son was a flaming radical lefty.

      Chit just happens!!!

      But you look like a hypocrite when you have liberals living under your roof. Evidently, your influence did not go so well.

    69. Tgca says:


      Nikki Haley?

      NEVAH for me.

      She’s almost a Romney in a skirt. She’ll stick her finger in the wind to see which way the wind blows and then run on being a woman.

      No thanks! I would rather do a write-in than vote for Nikki either in a primary or GE.

    70. Tgca says:


      More hypocrisy and holier than thou BS from a hypocrite.

      You claimed you cheated on girlfriends in the past so I guess you’re not a good person either.

      More than half of the US presidents, and probably much more, have had known affairs or children out of wedlock.

      Also, you don’t know the circumstances of Trump’s relationships to know the details. For all you know, these were loveless arranged marriages…think of Princess Diana who it appears married not out of love but rather to live out a fairy tale and have security, and she had affairs as well.

      Many wealthy men are pursued by women and often there are understandings they have when married that are different than common marriages, and this goes back a millennia. History tells us most well to do folks had arranged marriages and the men were more often than not unfaithful. Think of the Founding Fathers.

      Now it may be wrong and not traditional but you don’t know for sure the circumstances. I find it hard to believe Marla Maples and Melania married Trump simply for love. I could be wrong but I’m sure his billionaire status had nothing to do with it, riiiiiight?

      Also, many conservatives have also been married multiple times and had affairs.

      Again, your hypocrisy is astounding.

      I think cheating is ALWAYS wrong but I also understand people cheat for different reasons that may be much more complicated than others may understand.

    71. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Biden’s economic performance has been a disaster. By contrast, under Trump the economy thrived. Two recent polls have shown Trump beating Biden. It would be complete folly for the Republicans not to nominate Trump again in 2024. His support is so strong in the polls, there is little question that he will win the primaries and be renominated, and likely win.

      If Trump does not run, then I would favor DiSantis.

    72. SoHope says:

      Democrats have proven they have no message except running against Trump, everything is racist, stop climate change, spend money, and tax the rich. Everything they say is some form of one of these.
      Criticizing Trump was their most effective message and turned out voters in 2020 but was utterly uneffective in 2021.
      2022 and 2024 will be a blood bath for democrats unless we hand them their most effective target of attack…Trump.
      I still think Trump could win but it could be close instead of a 3 point win with someone else.
      DeSantis(with Trump endorsement) > Trump(with DeSantis endorsement)

    73. jason says:

      I said Trump was a good President. Why do I have to think he is a good person, too?”

      You don’t.

      But the “bad person” BS is old, try some new material.

      Trump is no better or worse than the average politician. He is a better person than Joe Biden, who is worse than the average politician.

    74. jason says:

      If the Rs have someone that can beat Trump in the primaries, run him or her.

      If there isn’t, then all the talk about “moving on from Trump” is just hot air.

      Skippy really thinks “You have to feel my pain Nikki Haley” would have a chance against Trump?

      Don’t make me laugh.

    75. SoHope says:

      The job of a politician is to give the people many reasons to vote for you and few reasons as possible to vote against you. Trumps ability to turn out votes for him come at the cost of turn out votes against him. These two must be weight together. Any other view on this topic is shortsighted and stupid imo.

    76. SoHope says:

      BTW Greece is F-ing amazing and surprisingly affordable. 3rd day in Athens, just did an island hopping cruise and going to rent a cat and drive to Nafplio before 5 days in Cappadocia and Istanbul Turkey.

    77. SoHope says:

      Rent a car not rent a cat

    78. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Can anyone interpret this for me? I am very interested in supporting eco-justice – whatever that means?

      Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is offering one of her whatever-is-vaguer-than-vague homilies, wears a shirt emblazoned with the satire-proof message: “Trans Nonbinary Liberation Is Eco-Justice!”

    79. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Biden could lose in the 2024 Democratic primary:

      Joe Biden 38%
      Someone else 41%

    80. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      It just gets crazier and crazier:

      Stephanopoulos: “Is there anything President Biden can do” to address inflation?

      Biden advisor Brian Deese: “Number one: We have to finish job on COVID…getting those shots out to 5-11-year-olds is gonna provide a lot of comfort to American families.”

    81. JeffP says:

      #77 you could rent a cat too. There are plenty of stray cats in Athens and Istanbul. When I was in Athens last summer you hardly knew a pandemic was happening. Those people don’t live in fear.

    82. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Octogenarian Democrat Vermont Senator, Patrick “Depends” Leahy, will make a major announcement this morning in his home town in Vermont.

      What is your prediction?
      1) Retirement in 2022
      2) Re-election in 2022
      3) Run for Governor in 2022
      4) Change his Party to the GOP
      5) Become an Adult Diaper Salesman
      6) Announce that He is Gay and His Boyfriend is ex- GOP Senator(ID) Larry Craig

    83. Bitterlaw says:

      Why rent a cat if there are so many already just walking around Athens. Just pet one of those.

    84. DW says:

      The Rittenhouse case is all about whether or not groups of people have the inalienable right to get ticked off and spend several nights burning down public and private property with no adverse consequences. The defendant tried to put out the fires.

      The jury will deliberate for 30 minutes and find him guilty, despite the actual facts in the case and the pathetic job done by the prosecution.

    85. jason says:

      The suburban elitist Rs will love this article by Politico because they think the MSM is their friend. Screw the deplorables, who needs them, the GOP is making “gains” in the “Trump resistant” suburbs, happy days are here again.

    86. jason says:

      I don’t think the jury will convict Rittenhouse of murder, mainly because I would like to think our judicial system still works.

    87. jason says:

      I think Leahy is going to announce he is buying a summer home next to Bernie’s summer home.

    88. jason says:

      Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is offering one of her whatever-is-vaguer-than-vague homilies, wears a shirt emblazoned with the satire-proof message: “Trans Nonbinary Liberation Is Eco-Justice!”

      lisab is our expert in all things gay, maybe she can weigh in.

    89. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      This will make your day!!!

      TX-GOV: Beto’s officially in.

    90. Tina says:

      He is certsin. I am waiting. I have no candidate for 2024.

      Jacek Posobiec Flag of United StatesFlag of Poland
      The chances of any 2024 GOP nominee other than Trump are near-zero

      He is running

      And he will win the nomination

    91. jason says:

      The job of a politician is to give the people many reasons to vote for you and few reasons as possible to vote against you. Trumps ability to turn out votes for him come at the cost of turn out votes against him. These two must be weight together. Any other view on this topic is shortsighted and stupid imo.”

      I will take the shortsighted and stupid view, no problem, no offense.

      I don’t agree with this. I think if the GOP wants to win in 2022 and 2024 the most important thing is to hold on to the gains the GOP has made with blue collar, working class, rural and exurban voters and with minorities like Hispanics and black males. And to do that you need Trump.

      If you do that, THEN you try to expand that coalition with niche and targeted strategies like for example Youngkin did with education and crime that can attract suburban voters and even some urban voters. But you can’t do it the other way around, and that is where I differ with those enamored with a “win back the suburbs” strategy.

      Trump is by far the GOP’s strongest and most effective weapon. This will hold true whether he costs the GOP votes or not. Worrying about what it will “cost” you is what the MSM and the Dems want you to do.

      The Dems won a lot of elections by knowing what their base was. Class warfare. Race warfare. Gender warfare. They divided up the country and pitted one side against another, ensuring they had enough “sides” to win. They were the party of the unions, of all minorities of any ethnicity, color or gender, of the poor, of the urban dwellers, of suburban liberals, of women (considered a “minority”), of “immigrants”. The Dems had so many “special interests” they added up to a majority.

      The GOP needs to know what its constituencies are and nail them down, much like the Dems did for decades.

    92. jason says:

      The chances of any 2024 GOP nominee other than Trump are near-zero”

      If I was the GOP, I would operate on the premise that this is the most likely scenario.

      Two years is an eternity in politics, and this could change.

      But if you don’t think Trump would be the odds on favorite to win the nomination, you are smoking some good sh-t.

    93. Gordon Allen says:

      Jason great piece on strategy.
      Trump is too old
      Starting a term at age 78 should be constitutionally banned. That’s older than Reagan was when he left office.
      Believe me 3 years at age 75( my age) is a LONG time.
      We need a Trump other than Trump. Other than that right on

    94. Phil says:

      I like Trump’s policies. I just think he’s too old in 2024. Prefer DeSantis…..but Jason’s probably right that the nomination is probably Trump’s if he wants it assuming he’s healthy.

    95. Tina says:

      Fraudci finally admits to the problems with the vaccine not lasting. I guess he finally looked at the information from Israel and Europe.

    96. Phil says:

      Beto had the perfect storm in 2018. Democratic year…..Cruz not that popular…..tons of money….MSM cheering him all along the way….and he still lost.

      Now he wants to run statewide again in an extremely Republican cycle after making ridiculous and extreme remarks during the Democratic Presidential primaries about guns and immigration. Good luck, Beto. You may be born to run, but you weren’t born to win.

    97. Tina says:

      Bannon turns himself in at fib field office.

      Livestreams it.

    98. Phil says:

      Beto says he isn’t backing away from his extreme position on guns. Okeeeeey then…..

      Imagine the millions and millions of leftist donor dollars that will be wasted on his campaign.

      Excellent. If there is a year Democrats can’t afford to be wasting campaign money it is 2022.

    99. Phil says:

      …..and this just confirms what a bubble Beto is encased in. Absolutely no sense of political reality.

    100. Dylan says:

      Pat Leahy announces he will NOT seek reelection in 2022–yeah, cause he knows the destruction of the country is now complete. Let me guess—the VT GOP have absolutely no one to run and whoever inherits this seat gets a lifetime nod.

    101. Dylan says:

      if it IS Trump as the nominee in 2024—it’s unlikely that his VP will be Pence. Desantis? (Trump would have to change his state of residency as both candidates cannot be from same state).

      Haley = borderline Liz Chaney on occasion and is not reliable. Noem–too untested and wobbly. the pick –which is a long way off–is going to be interesting . . .

    102. Wes says:

      Whomever Republicans nominate is unlikely to win that seat, Dylan; however, Republicans have several possibilities starting with Uber popular Governor Phil Scott. After him, former Governor Jim Douglas is the next best potential candidate.

      Democrats will most likely go with Rep. Pete Welch if he wants it. Welch is a liberal on everything but gun control–an issue VT Democrats tend to be to the right of their party on–and is himself extremely popular in the state. He’s 74 though, so assuming he runs and wins, he’s unlikely to be in the Senate longer than two terms.

      I imagine Rick Scott will at least try to get a decent GOP recruit for the race to replace Leahy. That said, 2022 will have to be a tsunami of 1946 or 1958 proportions for Republicans to win a VT Senate seat.

    103. Wes says:

      Apparently Robert Francis O’Rourke has decided losing to an unlikable Senator with middling approval ratings in a great year for O’Rourke’s party just wasn’t enough.

      He now wants to lose to a fairly popular Governor in a disastrous year for the Dems.

      I hope he has MSNBC’s number saved in his phone for the day after next year’s elections.

    104. DW says:

      Edward Durr is the evidence that no Dem seat, even in Vermont, should go uncontested. Not same as pouring money down a hole, but at least get a name on the ballot.

    105. DW says:

      The judge threw out the gun charge against Rittenhouse…now facing five charges, not six.

    106. Wes says:

      Oh, I agree Rick Scott needs to get a decent Republican to run for the seat, DW. Expectations need to be in check though. VT has been moving consistently left for a few decades now. It’s gone from being the most Republican state in the country in 1936 to being almost HI levels of moonbat over the past decade.

      That said, Republicans have been competitive there in some elections. Gov. Scott himself won when Hillary carried the state with 2/3 of the vote in 2016.

      A Senate race is a different beast from a gubernatorial election, however. Senate races are inherently more partisan and likely to stick with the state’s majority party, especially in the current era of partisan polarization. Despite that, if Republicans can seriously contest Leahy’s seat, that will be a sign of massive national backlash against Biden. The GOP is unlikely to win, but with Scott or Douglas as the nominee, a win is not an outright impossibility–although a victory would likely lead to a Begich-style one-term rental of the seat.

    107. DW says:

      Its going to be interesting to watch Wes. We might have expected Dems to learn some lessons from the 2021 elections, but apparently they think they just had a communication problem.

      When they ignore voices like James Carville and others who are sounding the alarm, then it seems their strategy is to just do as much damage as possible in the next 11 months and then take their lumps.

    108. Wes says:

      Interestingly with Leahy gone, the number of members of Congress elected before I was born will be down to two: Rep. Don Young (R-AK) and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA).

      Young has to serve till April of 2032 to become the longest serving Congressman in US history. Grassley has to serve till June of the same year to achieve that same goal in the Senate.

    109. Phil says:

      From the left. Find Rittenhouse guilty or we riot and burn down the city. Oh, and if you are on the jury and don’t want anything to happen to you or your family, you better come out with the “correct” verdict. Facts be damned.

      Everyone is supposed to get a fair trial. Well, not anymore.

      I don’t even recognize this country anymore.

    110. Wes says:

      We saw a similar dynamic in 2009, DW. Dems assumed the elections of 2006 and 2008 had assured in a new transformative era of permanent power for their party just as 1930 and 1932 had. They ignored the results in NJ and VA and continued to double down on their extreme agenda. They didn’t seriously begin to think Congress might be in danger till Scott Brown won Ted Kennedy’s Senate seat the following January.

      Now with even smaller majorities in Congress than they enjoyed when Obama was President, they’re determined to do exactly what they did 12 years. Unfortunately for them, they’ve proved ineffective at governing since Biden took office, and the fires of Trump hatred have died down as literally everything has gone into turmoil on Biden’s watch.

      It’s all on the Democrats now, and that Patrick Leahy of all people realized that and elected to retire ahead of next year should give them pause. It won’t.

    111. Chicon says:

      110 – fascinating.

    112. jason says:

      Should have thrown out the murder charges too.

    113. Phil says:

      Wes, either Democrats are absolutely delusional about the political lay of the land they face


      They simply are so tied to their radical ideology that they simply are bound and determined to ram their policies through while they control things, slim as that control really is.

      Personally, I think it’s the latter.

    114. Tgca says:

      I see Wes is posting his simplistic internet talking points again this morning that anyone who spends 15 minutes reading the news daily would know.

      Wonder how long it took him to copy and paste and change a few words here and there from various Twitter feeds or political websites.

      …or maybe I’m wrong. This could just be his FEELINGS about the race because I don’t see any REAL analysis here…just what he thinks …like much of what you find on the internet where he seeks talking points for his posts.

      …and don’t forget to drop a few names here and there along the way about past politician and dates no one remembers to make it look like you had all this knowledge all along but just learned from some Wiki searches.

    115. Wes says:

      It’s more likely a combination of the two, Phil.

    116. Wes says:

      We were having such a good conversation till Tgca had to chime in because his fragile ego is wounded from what I said about him yesterday.

      Find a shoulder to cry on, Tg.

    117. mnw says:

      Gov. Abbott’s JA isn’t very high, per the polling I’ve see, & doesn’t show him to be particularly popular.

      RCP shows him leading Beto by an average of 8 points, according to 4 new polls. Those 4 polls, published by RCP today, show Abbott leading by between +1 and +11.

      I certainly expect Abbott to win reelection, but it doesn’t look like a blowout at the moment.

    118. DW says:

      112 – good summary and comparison.

      And in 2010 they had Obama who was still in his right mind, though a commie mind. They lost 66 seats in the US House.

      Now going into 2022, twelve years later, they have a much worse situation developing, with a demented president who defied Karate-chop Kasich and went very hard left, and the country faces problems far worse than what presented the electorate in 2010.

    119. jason says:

      If anyone understands the exploding taxi story in London please explain it to me.


    120. mnw says:

      I admit to being surprised by both Kenosha & Chicago (!) preparing for riots if Rittenhouse is acquitted.

      All the men involved are just as white as Amy Carter. America seems to be losing its mind.

    121. Phil says:

      Abbott isn’t losing to Beto.

      Will it be a Wendy Davis blowout of 20 points? Absolutely not….but it will be something on the order of 7-9 points I’d guess, perhaps a little more.

      Beto may have been talked into running to help down the ballot races, but I suspect he’ll only help in the bluest of blue districts. — districts that would go blue anyway.

      He only agreed to run because he has a massive ego.

    122. jason says:

      Abbott will win comfortably, Beto will not get anywhere near the same vote he got against Cruz.

    123. DW says:

      122 – its what I said above. This is ALL about the inalienable right for groups to get tickets off and freely burn public and private property for a couple days, and face no consequence.

      Rittenhouse tried to put out the fire. That is a capital offense. They don’t give a rip about the two who died or the one injured. If Rittenhouse is found not-guilty, then it affirms that their right to riot and destroy property is not absolute.

    124. DW says:

      * auto correct * tickets off = TICKED off

    125. Tgca says:


      Wes is posting his simplistic drivel about elections and doesn’t like it when he gets a taste of his own medicine.

      I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of your posts Wes.

      You routinely post a bunch of your “feelings” and what you “think” about politics supported by no analysis but then criticize others when they do it.

      This sounds like a case of jealousy here where you want to be the smartest one in the room but you’re not!

      I still think you’re a political neophyte with respect to political strategy with no more knowledge of politics then most here other than quick fingers searching on the internet to copy info so you can say you posted it 1st by dropping names and dates as if you actually had that stored in your data mental bank.

      You profess to have a political science degree, about as useful as a degree in lesbian studies, but you spend your time giving back rubs.

      Evidently your education did not lead you to a career in your chosen field. That suggests you were either a poor student or no one was interesting in hiring you for your skills. Hmmm…

    126. jason says:

      “In what may be one of the few opportunities in years for Republicans to capture the governorship of Illinois, rumors recently grew rampant that Chicago Cubs co-owner Todd Ricketts would seek the GOP nomination against Democratic Gov. J.B. Pritzker.”

    127. Wes says:

      Liberals are trying to railroad Rittenhouse for exercising both a constitutional right and a common sense right: gun ownership and self-defense respectively.

      They essentially want to turn the country into a bloated banana republic with anyone they disagree with denied basic rights.

      The problem with that thought process is that once there’s no more dissent from the gestalt, anyone becomes a potential target for a police state because of real or perceived apostasy.

      That’s a scary road to go down.

    128. Wes says:

      I made a simple two-word response to you, Tg, and moved on. You’re the one continuing to write paragraphs about it.

      Who’s upset about getting a taste of his own medicine again?

    129. Wes says:

      Two-sentence, not two-word.

    130. Phil says:

      VERY scary, Wes.

    131. Tgca says:

      122. MNW

      As you know, a large majority of BLM and Antifa riots include white kids. It’s just an excuse to cause destruction and mayhem by spoiled unhappy people. Very little to do with justice.

      I think it’s odd that these protestors MIGHT protest for justice for those victims that were pedophiles and violent assaulters.

      I wonder if they see the irony in that.

    132. Chicon says:

      129 – sounding like a knuckle dragging Trumpster. Well said.

    133. mnw says:

      The reason I don’t have any confidence in my impressions about the Rittenhouse trial is, I haven’t had any chance to study the jury.

      I know there are at least 11 white jurors– it’s not clear if the one AA juror will be seated as a regular or an alternate juror. The male/female split looks likely to be appx 50/50– again we don’t know exactly who will be an alternate.

      Because it’s Kenosha, I assume (without any real basis) that the jury is mostly made up of working class folks.

      Because I’d like to see NG verdicts across the board, it concerns me that the jury is going to be instructed on some lesser included offenses– that creates opportunities for compromise: “If you do not find the def guilty on the charge of murder, you must then decide whether he is guilty of the lesser included offense of manslaughter….”

      When I believed very strongly in a case assigned to me, I would resist instructing on lesser includeds. I’d try for all or nothing.

    134. jason says:

      I don’t manslaughter is one of the charges.

      First-degree reckless homicide

      First-degree recklessly endangering safety

      First-degree intentional homicide

      Attempted first-degree intentional homicide

      First-degree recklessly endangering safety

    135. Tina says:

      Abbott has not done a good job with the border and covid.

      The numbers are horrible. Not his fault for the border crisis, but he has made threats, only to back down, appearing feeble.

      Beta male is beyond terrible.

    136. jason says:

      Judge instructions says that the prosecution has “to pierce self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. The defense does not have to “prove” self-defense.

    137. Tina says:

      What is soy boy arguing here?

      Greg Price
      · 32m
      What. The. Actual. Phuq.

      Binger: “You lose the right to self-defense when you’re the one who brought the gun.”

    138. jason says:

      I think Abbott has been stellar on both the border and COVID.

    139. Tina says:

      Totally false. His dad lives in Kenosha.

      Binger: August 25, 2020. Defendant came from outside our community carrying a gun that wasn’t his because he expected and anticapted violence that night, guarded an empty building owne by peopled he had never met whilie false claiming to be an EMT.

    140. Phil says:

      Beta male is beyond terrible

      ……and that, Tina, is why Abbott will win easily.

    141. mnw says:

      I mentioned manslaughter as a generic example of a lesser included offense.

      A lesser included offense is any uncharged offense which includes some, but not all, of the elements of the charged offense. The court would first have to determine if the evidence would support the lesser charge. Usually the court gives considerable deference to the defense in deciding whether to give a lesser included instruction. And the defense attys let the def make the ultimate decision. It sounds like the def made a decision to give the jury the opportunity to compromise.

    142. Tina says:

      I just filled up my car. Apparently prices went up 15 cents compared to a week and half here.

      I paid $75 for 16.67 gallons of gas.

    143. jason says:

      “You lose the right to self-defense when you’re the one who brought the gun.”

      Wow, so the only way you can use a weapon for self defense is if you borrow one from someone else?

    144. Phil says:

      Beto, if he wants a political career, needs to move to California or NY. A gun grabber, open borders type isn’t winning a statewide race in Texas.

    145. Chicon says:

      Mnw, I expect a compromise verdict because the jurors don’t want to be responsible for the violence.

      Will the judge have the stones to rule for the defense on the motion for mistrial?

    146. Tina says:

      Is he attending with little Mitchie the lifesaver?

      Quote Tweet

      Julie Tsirkin
      · 30m
      .@SenatorRomney will attend today’s BIF bill signing at the WH.

      “This legislation shows that Congress can deliver for the American people when members from both sides of the aisle are willing to work together to address our country’s critical needs.”

    147. jason says:

      It sounds like the def made a decision to give the jury the opportunity to compromise.”

      Perhaps, but there is this:

      Update: Branca sees a big win for Rittenhouse at the end of the tussle over jury instructions. After a lengthy debate, Schroeder has adopted a new instruction to the jury to consider self-defense on every point before any other deliberation:

      Judge: With any individual count, with multiple possible verdicts, if decide the defendant acted lawfully in self-defense, done, can return not guilty with no further deliberations.”

      So it sounds like the self defense argument applies to the lesser charges too, which cannot even be considered if the jury agrees.

    148. Phil says:

      Wow. 4.50 a gallon, Tina. Yikes.

    149. Tina says:

      So bannon is in cuffs for a misdemameor?

      Wtf, is the fib (us Marshall’s) doing in this case?

    150. Tgca says:

      Awww…Wes doesn’t like when he gets a taste of his own medicine.

      I’m pointing out your hypocrisy and I will continue to do so every time you attack others’ posts.

      We were having a nice discussion yesterday and you came in and tried to belittle people for their views which you claimed are talking points and you got your ass handed to you and ran away.

      I’m calling you out because that’s exactly what you do all the time. You post your feelingsand what you think with no supporting analysis and drop names and dates after a quick internet search.

      Perhaps if you wish to comment on others’ posts you should start your posts with:

      I disagree
      I have another view
      I agree to a point but…

      …instead of attacking folks as if you’re the HHR political expert which you are NOT.

      I get it! You’re desperate to show off because unlike the rest of us here that have chosen professional careers based on our education, you are a laborer and it doesn’t seem enough for you so you have to somehow feel relevant.

      Nothing wrong with being a laborer since many of us come from family backgrounds of laborers…that is…until you try mocking others for points you make yourself but seem a bit upset you did not get to make them 1st.

      Again, if you were really knowledgeable and a political strategist, people would offer you a job but you’re NOT and they HAVEN’T and you’re posting on HHR your feelings and what you think just like the rest of us.

      Like most of us here, it’s just a hobby so stop with your preaching lectures and attempts to correct others, often short-sighted and wrong.

    151. jason says:

      The maximum sentence for the reckless endangerment charge is 12 years, but I doubt this particular judge would impose the max.

      I think this charge is bogus tooo, but even if he is convicted of it he is probably not looking at more than 5 years in jail, less with time served.

    152. Tina says:

      They are busy yuck ig it up, at the non infrastructure signing.

      Bernard B. Kerik
      Eric Holder was held in civil and criminal contempt of Congress, and no one did a damned thing about it!

      Where is
      ? Why and how are they letting this charade continue?

      When is the Republican Party going to grow some balls?

    153. Tgca says:

      As discussed before, Rittenhouse should never had been charged with murder, as it clearly was self-defense.

      It is also clear that this kid desperately needs some focus in his life and a 17-year old should not be out and away from home overnight brandishing a weapon or driving without a license.

      They are two separate issues but I still think this stems from bad parenting or parents without control.

    154. Wes says:

      I haven’t posted in close to an hour, yet Tgca still feels the need to obsessively post paragraphs-long screeds about me.

      Putting me on a pedestal by devoting the majority of your posts to me isn’t going to get you anywhere.

      This unhealthy obsession you have with me is something you should really get over. I’d recommend doing something else–like eating that vomit-inducing slop you like to pretend to enjoy.

    155. Tima says:

      Odd no objection from. Defense counsel about “losing the right to 2 A ..”

      Were they asleep?

    156. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Heavily vaccinated Europe is on its 4th wave of the epidemic. No one wants to openly admit the vaccine is a failure. It doesn’t prevent infection, and it’s therapeutic benefit may be limited to a short period of time. Meanwhile, what happened to the investigation of how this genetically altered virus was able to escape from the Wuhan lab?

      “The Netherlands, which has fully vaccinated 73% of its population, entered a three-week partial lockdown on Saturday, closing bars, restaurants and essential shops from 8pm, shutting non-essential stores and services from 6pm, and limiting home gatherings to four guests after case numbers hit new records.”

    157. jason says:

      The infrastructure bill was bi-partisan, so both Dems and Rs should be at the signing.

      I don’t see the problem.

      If you disagree on what is in the bill, fine, I agree it is loaded with pork.

      But I am fine with the signing being bi-partisan.

    158. jason says:

      They are two separate issues”

      Yes, and one is not material to the case, so why bring it up?

    159. Tgca says:


      Let’s not kid ourselves. Jadon likes the infrastructure bill because he heard it’s loaded with pork. He thinks that means bacon subsidies to everyday Americans.

      Shhh! Let’s not tell him otherwise…poor guy will be heart-broken if he finds out what kind of pork is in the bill.

    160. jason says:

      No one wants to openly admit the vaccine is a failure”

      I am not a big proponent, but fair is fair.

      The vaccine does seem to lower the risk of dying and severe complications. Also hospitalizations.

      Failure is too strong a word. I would classify it more as “less effective than as promoted”.

    161. jason says:

      “poor guy will be heart-broken if he finds out what kind of pork is in the bill.”

      It’s not bacon?


      I had heard PA was going to get billions in pork, that is a lot of bacon.

    162. Tina says:

      When Xi Biden promoted the vaccine, he said nobody would die or be hospitalized after receiving the vaccine,

      Now, they want everybody to have boosters.

      Of course they won’t say yet how many.

    163. Tgca says:


      Wes still bursting with hypocrisy.

      He spends hours and days on detailed nuanced posts fighting with others and ranting varying between WESCON 5 and 1.

      Evidently, my correct political analysis yesterday got to Wes and it upset him enough he had to try and mock me for what he routinely does here.

      Today Wes tells us things no one here ever knew like Vermont has been moving left. OMG! Who could’ve ever guessed that?

    164. mnw says:

      If the court intended to grant the defense motion for a mistrial, it almost certainly would’ve done so FIRST– because it would’ve made all the other jury instruction decisions moot.

      On another topic, I bet Beto will find it a lot harder to FR this time.

    165. NYCmike says:

      “Two-sentence, not two-word.”

      -Wes, no correction was needed.

      EVERYONE knew what you meant!

      Two words – LOL!

    166. Gordon Allen says:

      Phil; I agree the Dems don’t care about their position,and are determined to RAM their socialist/woke agenda thru while they have the chance.
      That also bespeaks ,at least somewhat,their delusion that their unpopularity is less than reported, and
      perhaps transitory anyway.
      Both can be true

    167. NYCmike says:

      “I think Abbott has been stellar on both the border and COVID.”

      -As usual, the “thinking” doesn’t include concrete proof of thoughts backed up by evidence.

      That said, I do believe Abbott has done OK, but has been wobbly at times. He should speak with DeSantis more.

    168. Wes says:

      I step away to eat lunch and see Tgca is still devoted to typing entire paragraphs about me. This is clearly his theme song whenever I assume my rent-free position in his head:

    169. Tina says:

      Soy boy is the Alex Baldwin of prosecutors.

    170. Tgca says:


      Wes who goes all WESCON for hours at a time on folks when they disagree with him, hypocritically posts again how he thinks others are fixated with him when he seems fixated with a number of posters here, apparently NYC being his favorite.

      We’re not fixated with you Wes! We just take joy in mocking you. There’s a difference!

      Poor Wes! Life has dealt him a raw deal and he’s not accomplished the desired role of a political strategist so he tries to play that role at HHR…apparently not so well though.

      If I was not retired, I just might interview Wes for a role as an intern, given his skills and his useless political science degree, I could not justify any other position but then he might learn how to do some REAL analysis that the big boys use in business to make decisions.

      Now Wes, tell us again about those great words of wisdom on Vermont trending left over the years.

      We wait in awe for your next great words of political wisdom that you pieced together from the internet.

    171. Wes says:

      The one further thing I’ll say to you, Tgca, is that if I ever lose my house, I’m entirely thankful for the rent-free space you’ve magnanimously provided in your head.

      That was a very kind gesture on your part.

    172. Tina says:

      Washington Free Beacon
      · 21m
      Binger says that the all Rosenbaum did the night of the shooting was tip over a porta-potty, light a dumpster on fire, swing a chain, tip over a trailer and set it on fire, and say the n-word

    173. Tgca says:


      You’re welcome WES!

      …and NYC can say the same of you since you love to post about him whether he’s around or not.

      So tell us again those great words of wisdom, Vermont is trending left over the years. Really? You don’t say.

    174. Tgca says:

      Two Arkansas guys arrested and plead guilty to raping 6 year old girl and sex trafficking her to others.

      The girl was sent to the hospital with symptoms of STDs and after investigating by police, they arrested the two guys who will bypass a trial and get sentenced by the judge due to their guilty pleas and they will face life imprisonment.

      It turns out that the STDs were from multiple sexual encounters including the two guys who also tested positive for the same STDs.

      It turns out the girl’s mother was involved as well and had rented the hotel room where the girl had been raped in at least one event. The girl has been removed from the mother’s custody as well.

      Next time Bitter tells me you have to be a parent to relate to caring and raising children, I’ll remind him of this story.

      Evidently, I’ve done a better job raising my dogs than many have done raising their kids.

    175. NYCmike says:

      I just watched an episode of The Shield that dealt with prostituting underage children by parents……absolutely heinous. ALL persons involved (excluding the children, of course) should be hung up and slowly boiled in public. I can’t imagine the trauma any such child’s brain has to deal with over the rest of their lifetime.

    176. Tina says:

      Putzaki is a dunce.

      Curtis Houck
      · 1h
      NBC’s Peter Alexander: “Americans are seeing their dollars, their paychecks stretched right now. Why should Americans not be concerned that injected another $1.57 trillion or more would raise inflation?”

      Psaki: “B/c no economist out there is projecting that[.]”

      Um, wut?

    177. jason says:

      -As usual, the “thinking” doesn’t include concrete proof of thoughts backed up by evidence”


      Guess what, there is is plenty of concrete proof backed up by evidence that Abbott has been stellar in both border issues and COVID. On COVID he has kept Texas open and resisted mandates. On the border is has taken the actions that he can take as Governor.

      As a bonus, he was able to pass meaningful laws to combat voter fraud.

      “Stellar” fits Abbott perfectly.

      You can disagree and you can GFY, in any order you want.

    178. jason says:

      Greg Abbott is not conservative enough for Chuck Schumer’s lap dog NYC.

      I love it here.

    179. mnw says:

      172 Tina

      That is hair raising. I hope the jury resents it.

      When I handled a firearm in court, I would always leave the trigger lock on, AND have a police officer demonstrate to the jury that the weapon couldn’t be fired, before I ever even touched it.

    180. NYCmike says:

      That display should reinforce the idea that Rittenhouse was only defending himself and not looking to harm others. If Rittenhouse had such poor gun discipline, I would think that his gun would have fired off many more rounds than it did!

    181. NYCmike says:

      “You can disagree and you can GFY, in any order you want.”

      -Who do you think I am, Joe Rogan!?!?

    182. NYCmike says:

      If Alex Jones is liable to pay damages for the Sandy Hook, CT narrative he fantasized, does that mean Trump could sue the FBI, Hillary, CNN, etc etc etc for the Russia Collusion b*llsh*t??

    183. jason says:

      Alex Jones should not have to pay any damages for being a moron.

      But when he called Sandy Hook a “hoax”, even Bunu should have stopped listening to him.

    184. NYCmike says:

      Did General Michael Flynn really say the country should have only 1 religion?

    185. jason says:

      Rittenhouse actually had pretty good gun discipline. He only used 6 rounds on the 3 people he shot, evidently he let go another couple on the guy who kicked him in the face that missed.

      Rosembaum was running straight at him, it would make sense he would fire several rounds to stop him. But Rittenhouse only shot Huber once, to get him off of him, and one shot was enough for the guy pointing a gun at him, name too complicated to spell.

      He could have panicked when he was being chased by a mob and let loose all around him, but he didn’t.

    186. NYCmike says:

      Ottawa Senators, of the NHL, have had their season postponed, as they have about 10+ players with a Covid outbreak…….oddly enough, the article says NOTHING about the vaccination rate of the team, but considering it is Canada, I would think they mandated it…..trying to get more information…..

    187. NYCmike says:

      “He could have panicked when he was being chased by a mob and let loose all around him, but he didn’t.”

      -That was my point.

    188. Tina says:

      I wonder if rittenhouse could sue China Biden for libel. Biden called him a white suprematist (6/2020).

    189. jason says:

      Funny how that person who kicked Rittenhouse in the face and was damm lucky to survive, has never been identified and never came forward.

    190. Tina says:

      Not even soy boy made that allegation.

    191. jason says:

      A couple years ago there were only a handful of white supremacists…. David Duke comes to mind. Alex Jones. Bunu. Michael Corleone.

      Now there are millions.

    192. Tgca says:


      Yesterday we were all Americans.

      Today we are all Deplorables.

      Tomorrow we are all White Supremacists including the minorities who support the GOP.

      Damn! Those black folks supporting the GOP are nothing but a bunch of whites supremacists.

    193. jason says:

      VP Harris introduced at signing ceremony as “Heather Kurtenbach”

      You can’t make this sh-t up.

    194. jason says:

      Today we are all Deplorables.”

      Except Bitter, of course.

    195. jason says:

      “Texas House Democrat Ryan Guillen announced Monday morning he is turning in his Democrat Party membership and joining the GOP.

      “Friends, something is happening in South Texas, and many of us are waking up to the fact that the values of those in Washington, D.C., are not our values, not the values of most Texans,” Guillen announced. “The ideology of defunding the police, of destroying the oil and gas industry and the chaos at our border is disastrous for those of us who live here in South Texas.”

    196. Bitterlaw says:


    197. jason says:

      Binger describes the mob in Kenosha that was burning the city as a “crowd full of heroes” who tried to stop an “active shooter” in Kyle Rittenhouse.”


    198. Chicon says:

      173 – deadly accurate post.

      I love the one where Wes posts something about a poster who hasn’t posted in awhile. The subject is always something said long ago that has offended him. When the poster responds, Wes hilariously says he is living in the poster’s head. Classic projection.

      I read here more than I post. Wes used to be a poster I’d look forward to reading because he was analytical. Now he is just an angry man. I think Tgca hit the nail on the head. Not that he cares. Hang in there, Wes, things will get better.

    199. Tina says:

      Bungler is s despicable.

      His “partner” the assistant Da looks like he has a fear of a scale.

    200. Tina says:

      Brigitte Gabriel
      · 44m
      JUST IN: Wyoming GOP Votes to Stop Recognizing Cheney as a Republican

    201. Tina says:

      Kraus is making this sheot up.

      Law of Self Defense
      · 37m
      Kraus: He could have held back at 1 shot. GG didn’t get four, Huber didn’t get four, JKM didn’t get four. What threat is someone who have shot in the hip is falling and put the kill shot in the back? Hit him, kick him, knee him.

    202. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Given Biden’s quotes below, I would say the vaccine failed rather than it was “less effective than as promoted.” There may be a brief clinic benefit from the vaccine; however, it appears to go away in a few months — which is why there is a push mandate boster shots.

      “President Joe Biden exaggerated when he spoke about the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccine during a CNN town hall. “You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations,” Biden said.

      Vaccinated health care workers “are protected from COVID and cannot spread it to you.” — President Joe Biden

      BIDEN: “If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the IC unit, and you’re not going to die.” — town hall.

      BIDEN, asked about vaccinated people who get infected: “It may be possible, I know of none where they’re hospitalized, in ICU and or have passed away so at a minimum I can say even if they did contract it, which I’m sorry they did, it’s such a tiny percentage and it’s not life threatening.” — remarks to reporters after the event.

    203. Tgca says:

      So The New Yorker makes every excuse why inflation has nothing to do with Biden and complaining it’s being distorted by the GOP for political purposes.

      Imagine that folks! One political party blaming another for bad news and another political party only taking credit for good news. What a surprise!

      They make simplistic arguments like the price of gas is simply because of OPEC raising prices. This article is long on “feelings” and what they “think” is causing all these problems but short on real analytical data to prove points.

      Now where have we seen that before? Hmmm…

    204. Bitterlaw says:

      Chicon and Tgca are tag-teaming Wes? I fight with Wes all the time and don’t call for backup.

    205. Tina says:

      Nov 14
      If 2024 elections were held today, would you vote for Trump or Biden?

      Trump 51% (+11)
      Biden 40%

      2. Selzer Co (10/13)
      Trump 45% (+17)
      Biden 28%

      3. Yahoo/YouGov (11/4)
      Trump 41% (+7)
      Biden 34%

      4. USA Today (11/3)
      Trump 40% (+11)
      Biden 29%

    206. jason says:

      I would vote for Trump if I voted.

    207. mnw says:

      I’m hoping the Rittenhouse prosecutor made a YUUGE mistake by calling that group of BLM thugs “a crowd full of heroes.”

      I’m thinking the jury might resent that.

    208. Chicon says:

      211 – I’d be shocked if the jurors don’t know about the “gatherings” already occurring in the area, and the precautions being taken in case of a NG verdict. They are being intimidated to come back with a guilty on the lesser included charges. Unfortunately.

    209. Tina says:

      “A skateboard is not a weapon.”

      · 34m
      Police cars revolving lightPolice cars revolving lightProsecutor James Kraus in closing arguments of Kyle Rittenhouse case argues skateboard can NOT be used as a deadly weapon, jokes that parents should give kids AR-15s as Christmas gifts

    210. Tina says:

      Mistake not to sequester them.

    211. Chicon says:

      Bitter, I’m not fighting with Wes.

    212. jason says:

      These are Kenosha residents, I would think they are not crazy about people who burned their city down being called “heroes”.

    213. Chicon says:

      216. I suspect they don’t want to see it happen again.

    214. Bitterlaw says:

      Maybe a good voir dire questions for potential jurors should be, “Are you indifferent to whether you live or die?” Only seat the indifferent because they will not be afraid to render a verdict regardless of the consequences. Call it the Bitterlaw Question.

    215. jason says:

      We should have a prediction thread.

      Ok, I predict Rittenhouse is acquitted on all charges.

      I don’t see the jury getting over the reasonable doubt hurdle here.

    216. Tina says:

      “Everyone takes a bearing sometimes.”

      Fatzo assistant DA to jurors

    217. Tina says:

      “Everybody takes a beating sometimes.”

    218. jason says:

      I remember the voir dire question in the My Cousin Vinny trial..

    219. jason says:

      Bitter, new episode of the Curse of Oak Island tomorrow.

      I think they are going to finally find something.

    220. mnw says:

      As a state prosecutor, which I was for many years, I would’ve been afraid to call the BLM protesters “heroes” in front of the jury, no matter how strongly I felt that to be true.

      I would be concerned that if I made such a comment, I might be offending some jurors who 1) had real doubts about the self-defense claim, but 2) who feel no empathy whatever with the mob.

      Seems like those people who report for jury duty MIGHT come in with a significantly different world view than the BLM mob had.

      I haven’t followed the trial all that closely, but I’ve been negatively impressed by the chief prosecutor.

    221. Bitterlaw says:

      223. Maybe. Of course, it would be great if they discovered the treasure was guarded by Bigfoot.

    222. Tina says:

      These prosecutors really annoyed me. I am perhaps pro prosecutor as they come.

      Secondly, soy boy and lard arse make Marcia Clark and Chris Darden look good, in comparison.

    223. Cash Cow TM says:

      Walt got his Moderna booster shot today.
      I went with him and got a Mad Cow booster shot.

    224. Bitterlaw says:

      COVID must be serious. Walt has been exposed to every disease ever known but NOW he gets a booster shot?

    225. jason says:

      Well the prosecutor is between a rock and a hard place. One of the deceased was a sex offender charged with molesting 5 children between 9 and 11. The other has an extensive rap sheet including domestic abuse and weapons charges. Both were convicted felons.

      If you don’t present them as ‘heroes” it will be hard to get a conviction.

    226. mnw says:

      226 Tina

      In that, as in most other things, we agree.

      Btw, since you mentioned Clark & Darden, I bet you would find Vincent Bugliosi’s book “Outrage: The 5 Reasons O.J. Simpson Got Away With Murder” to be quite interesting.

      The elected LA County prosecutor at the time, Gil Garcetti, was dumb as a pet rock. Clark & Darden were horrible in every way imaginable– they hadn’t done the things you woulds just assume they would’ve done. Especially since there were about 200 cops & prosecutors at their beck & call to assist them.

    227. mnw says:

      The jury of course won’t know about the rap sheets of the dead rioters. At lease they SHOULDN’T. It seems like sequestering this Kenosha jury should’ve been a no-brainer.

    228. jason says:

      My view on that trial is that Clark and Darden were just completely outmatched.

      Simpson’s Dream Team was too formidable.

      The line-up was Robert Shapiro, Johnnie Cochran, Robert Kardashian, F.Lee Bailey, Alan Dershowitz, Barry Scheck, et al.

      Clark and Darden had literally a mountain of evidence. They didn’t need all of it to convict. By using all of it, even what could have been somewhat tainted, they opened the door to “if some of it is bad, you can’t trust any of it”. They should have stayed away from the glove entirely, I always thought finding it on Simpson’s property was just too convenient, let alone letting him try it on. They had blood in Simpson’s car, in his bedroom socks. They didn’t need the glove. They didn’t need Mark Furhman.

    229. Bitterlaw says:

      Last week, Virginia elected a Republican Governor and New Jersey almost did. Today, a Philadelphia union leader a Philadelphia councilman were consisted of corruption. It’s pandemonium! The union leader’s brother sits on the PA Supreme Court. The convictions were in Federal Court so he can’t help his brother.

    230. jason says:

      The jury of course won’t know about the rap sheets of the dead rioters. At lease they SHOULDN’T.”

      Of course they know. Unless they were living in a cave.

    231. Bitterlaw says:

      I always blame OJ for the plague of Kardashians and Jenners visited upon the world. Without OJ, Robert Kardashian would have been just another entertainment lawyer and businessman. His children would not have been famous.

    232. mnw says:

      1) Clark & Darden didn’t even introduce the single most compelling evidence available to them*: Simpson’s audiotaped statement to police. They decided not to present his statement because during the course of it, he denied committing the murders. But the jury already KNEW he’d pled not guilty, as Bugliosi points out. In his recorded statement, Simpson made many key admissions and provably untrue factual assertions. I’ve always said the next best thing to a confession is a false exculpatory statement.

      2) Jurors often follow the court’s instructions, i.e., not to read about or discuss the case they’re hearing.

      *(aside from the DNA evidence)

    233. Tina says:

      Don’t forget judge Ito

      Loved the limelight.

      The rittenhouse judge has moved things ahead at a reasonable pace.

    234. Bitterlaw says:

      I heard a defense attorney in Philadelphia after the OJ verdict say that if OJ was a regular person tried in Philadelphia he would have been tried and convicted after a 3 day trial.

    235. mnw says:

      238 Tina

      Bugliosi cites Ito’s horrendous, legally unjustified decisions as one of the 5 reasons Simpson goy away with murder.

      With the exception of Dershowitz, I didn’t find the Dream Team’s performance to be very special, nor more importantly did Bugliosi, & Dershowitz was only there to preserve issues for appeal.

    236. jason says:

      The choice of words here is important.

      DEFENSE: Kyle Rittenhouse “has as much right to go there as anybody else in the city of Kenosha, and be unmolested by the likes of Joseph Rosenbaum.

    237. jason says:

      Jurors often follow the court’s instructions, i.e., not to read about or discuss the case they’re hearing.”

      The rap sheets of the rioters was all over the news for months before the trial.

    238. jason says:

      Don’t think “unmolested” was an accident…

    239. jason says:

      With the exception of Dershowitz, I didn’t find the Dream Team’s performance to be very special,”

      I watched 90% of the trial. I will defer to a lawyer’s view as to whether their performance was special or not from a legal standpoint.

      From a lay person’s perspective, I thought the defense just crushed Clark and Darden at every turn. I thought Scheck was excellent, and I thought Cochran was perfect in his role. I thought all of this wanting Simpson to be convicted.

    240. jason says:

      I heard a defense attorney in Philadelphia after the OJ verdict say that if OJ was a regular person tried in Philadelphia he would have been tried and convicted after a 3 day trial.”

      I believe it. And they would only need about 10% of the evidence Clark and Darden had.

    241. jason says:

      They should have never called Kato Kaelin as a “hostile witness'(the idiot that lived in the guest house, the “thump in the night” guy). Unreliable witness that just fed into the defense’s contention that the prosecution’s case was tainted.

    242. mnw says:

      Kenosha County was 88+% white at the time of the 2020 census; the biggest employer in 2020 was Snap On tools; & Trump carried the county both times.

      I mention this in connection with my earlier post that it was risky business indeed, borderline foolish probably, for the prosecutor to remark in front of the jury that “there were a lot of heroes” in that mob.

      Given the demographics & voting history of Kenosha County, it seems a pretty safe bet to me that there are some people on that jury who would resent the prosecutor’s comment & would certainly not regard the rioters as “heroes.” This is not Squad country.

    243. jason says:

      I hate to say it, but if Rittenhouse is convicted it could only mean the jury was afraid of the negative consequences for themselves and for the city. That would be disturbing. It is not how the system should work.

    244. mnw says:

      Back to OJ one last time:

      In the normal course of events, the OJ case indictment would’ve been filed in the Santa Monica division where the crime occurred. Garcetti, the elected DA, made the highly unusual decision to file the indictment in the downtown LA division instead. Garcetti stated four different reasons for doing so after the trial, & Bugliosi dissects all 4 & explains why each reason cited by Garcetti* was bogus. It’s hard not to see the trial ending with NG verdicts after that original sin by Garcetti. A Santa Monica jury would have been the polar opposite of the jury that decided the case.

      *inter alia, Garcetti said the jury pool would’ve been identical in both divisions. The Bug shows this is factually erroneous. Garcetti said a motion for change of venue would’ve been granted if he brought the case in Santa Monica. The Bug demonstrates conclusively that the weight of very recent, on point case law was against granting such a motion. Garcetti said he brought the case in downtown LA because the larger courthouse would better accommodate the press. When did any prosecutor ever give a ratz adz about THAT? Plus, the usual way to accommodate great press interest is by rotating pool reporters, selected by the press themselves, in and out of the courtroom.

    245. Chicon says:

      248. Exactly.

    246. mnw says:

      There are also likely to be hunters on that jury (or people married to hunters), & such jurors may be more concerned about 2A issues than average citizens are. Kenosha County is categorized as an exurb, according to Wiki, not as suburban.

    247. Chicon says:

      Mnw – glad to see your faith in the system. I very much hope you are right. Cheers.

    248. Tgca says:


      Jadon says he would vote for Trump today.

      But would your vote count?


    249. Meldrim says:

      mnw, a small clarification re: Kenosha’s electorate. You are correct that the county voted for Trump in both 2016 and 2020, but that is because the rural western portion of the county is overwhelmingly conservative. The city of Kenosha itself–from where, presumably, they drew the jury–voted for Biden over Trump by 56%-42%.

    250. Tgca says:

      I, like my ally Jadon watched nearly the entire OJ trial, as I worked remotely at the time, and lived in San Francisco, where OJ was from.

      I think F. Lee Bailey, with his gruff voice, was the most influencing on the jurors when he got up and repeatedly referred to the N word to describe Mark Furhman’s past history of potential police prejudice. That was deliberate and I think really sunk in with a jury that had a majority of black members. It introduced great distrust of the police and evidence gathering.

      Also, I think it was disgraceful that it was reported that jurors celebrated with OJ afterwards. I think that tainted the impartiality of the jurors for many who followed the trial. Very bad judgment.

      There is a notepad out there that documents all those notes OJ took during the trial. It’s quite funny.

    251. Tgca says:

      Luckily, I’ve been pretty lucky to get out of jury a number of times, mainly because I always got called around late December and I think most judges time these cases so they’re not actually in court during the holiday week so I was just always on call.

      I did serve on a jury once, and oddly, it was an assault case of a white elderly man against a black elderly man. We concluded not guilty because it was really just two old men taunting one another for years like many of the old fogies here at HHR.

      These men were neighbors in an apartment building. They had a history of complaints against one another going back years. We felt both did their fair share of lying on the stand so neither had credibility. I always felt this was a ridiculous case the prosecutor brought forth because there was never any witnesses or evidence to the assault just a claim the one guy got attacked in the dark from behind.

      This was decades ago so I assume they may be both dead now or we’ll into their 90s.

    252. lisab says:

      Until then, I put you in the same bucket of Republicans that Cheney, Kinzinger…and thank you for reminding me…Romney belong in.

      in fairness … romney was actually very successful at what he did in business and as a governor, so should not be in that list

    253. lisab says:

      Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is offering one of her whatever-is-vaguer-than-vague homilies, wears a shirt emblazoned with the satire-proof message: “Trans Nonbinary Liberation Is Eco-Justice!”

      lisab is our expert in all things gay, maybe she can weigh in.

      easy peasy … trans and non-binary people are often rejected by those deplorables that bitterlaw keeps referring to.

      therefore, these trans and/or non-binary people are often poor or even homeless or otherwise left on the fringe of society. thus, they would be highly impacted by global climate change.

      sooooooo … obviously, liberating those people would be a form of eco-justice

    254. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      If we were a serious society, then the C19 conversation would be about:

      ‘immune’ vs ‘non-immune’

      ‘high risk’ vs ‘low risk’

      ‘infectious’ vs ‘non-infectious’

      But society is dumb, so it’s simply ‘vaccinated’ vs ‘unvaccinated’.

      Which doesn’t even make sense.

    255. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      It’s so common that they don’t even call them ‘breakthrough cases’ anymore… It’s a short-mid term symptom mitigator at best. They should call it what it is.

      Quote Tweet
      Steve · Millionaire Habits
      Replying to @ZubyMusic
      I’m fully vaccinated, but I’m amazed at the number of people that I personally know, who are also vaccinated, that are getting infected

    256. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      I really tried to warn people…

      Quote Tweet
      May 13, 2020
      The longer these lockdowns go on for, the more inertia sets in and the more emotionally invested people become in the strategy.

      Sunk cost fallacy. Remember that this dumb virus has a <0.1% death rate for young people.

      So protect the old and infirm.
      Free the rest. Let's go.

    257. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Fauci should be fired and replaced by @ZubyMusic. Get someone in there with common sense.

    258. jason says:


      Jadon says he would vote for Trump today.”

      No, I said if would vote for him if I voted.

    259. jason says:

      Ok my last comment on the OJ trial responding to mnw above on the jury pool.

      mnw is correct that a Santa Monica jury pool would have been different and increased the odds of OJ being convicted.

      But that is neither here or there, pun intended. Working with the jury you have is part of the job of the prosecution and the defense.

      Garcetti’s team was outmatched and outclassed. One of their main witnesses was a racist testifying to a majority black jury. Another was a low IQ parasite treated as a hostile witness because the prosecution did not want the defense objecting to his testimony. The defense was able to poke holes in the evidence collection and safeguarding. The prosecution decided to use every bit of evidence they had, well vetted or not, rather than using what would have been good enough in 99% of murder trials, so the baby got thrown out with the bathwater.

      One example: the “matching” glove found behind the guest house had no blood on it. Considering the crime scene, that was very difficult to explain. It should never have been used. Since you had the victim’s blood in the Bronco and inside the house, you didn’t need this glove. Not to mention “if it doesn’t fit, you have to acquit”:

      In an interview on NBC’s Today show in 2016, Darden asserted, perhaps ironically and in jest, that “the whole glove thing was just the most brilliant move in any criminal courtroom in the history of American jurisprudence.”

    260. jason says:

      I should have said above that the glove found at OJ’s house did not have his blood on it, difficult to explain if the prosecution wanted to allege the cut on his hand was from the murder, not from “breaking a glass in Chicago”. Also neither glove had cuts on them, also difficult to explain.

    261. jason says:

      “Biden says that during the Obama administration he worked with every state governor, “save one.” He knocks former Alaska Gov. Palin, not by name, but as the governor who “can see Alaska from her porch.”

      Yeah, Palin could see Alaska from her porch, Joe, she lives in Alaska.

      Palin never said she could see Russia from her house, that was Tina Fey on SNL.

      Palin said you could see Russia from parts of Alaska, which is true.

    262. Meldrim says:

      #266, Jason, as Dan McLaughlin pointed out, not only is the Left’s confusion of what Sarah Palin said with what Tina Fey said obnoxious, it s particularly offensive when Biden repeats the canard, given that *he was on the stage with Sarah Palin* when she said that one can see Russia from some parts of Alaska:

      In fairness to Biden, perhaps he’s not purposely lying about what Palin said, but merely is showcasing his dementia.

    263. Meldrim says:

      BTW, as a kid, I learned how Little Diomede Island (part of Alaska) was only a couple of miles east of Big Diomede Island (part of Russia), meaning that one could see part of the USSR from part of the United States. I know that AK wasn’t yet a state when Biden was a kid, but there really is no excuse for him not to know exactly what Palin was talking about.

    264. jason says:

      In fairness to Biden, perhaps he’s not purposely lying about what Palin said, but merely is showcasing his dementia”

      Thanks, Meldrim, very reassuring….

    265. lisab says:

      the president of the united states

      leader of the free world

      is possibly incontinent and has trouble finding the door to the white house.

      this begs the question, who is making the decisions?

    266. Tgca says:


      Jadon provides vapid, generic analysis that must have taken about 10 seconds to think up. His argument is effectively a cut-and-paste article written to detract. It told me nothing I already know..

      His reasoning was simplistic and not well thought through because not everyone wears two gloves. If Michael Jackson was the defendant in this case, then one glove may be all the prosecution needed.

    267. jason says:

      this begs the question, who is making the decisions?”

      Jill: you rannnnnggggggg?

    268. jason says:

      Tgca, you should get off the sugar high before you post.

    269. jason says:

      Maybe the perp was Captain Hook.

    270. jason says:

      I got an email “Wish President Trump a Happy Thanksgiving”.


      Happy Thanksgiving, President Trump.

    271. DW says:

      The Verdict is in…

      “We find the defendant NOT Guilty, and we ask the judge for a special variance to give exhibit A, the gun, back to the defendant so he can load it and take a few pot shots at the obnoxious prosecutor.”

    272. Meldrim says:

      #269, my pleasure, Jason. It’s always good to be charitable to persons with whom we disagree instead of assuming bad faith on their part. So whenever Biden says or does anything evil, I’m going to assume that he did so not because he’s evil himself, but because he’s a drooling, demented imbecile who can’t control his anal sphincter, much less his brain or his mouth.

      And, given that his VP is Kamala Harris, I am forced to root for that drooling, demented imbecile to stay in the presidency until January 20, 2025. Fun times.

    273. mnw says:


      Everywhere I’ve ever worked, the jury pool is the entire county, not just the city where the alleged crime occurred. An exception would be a major metropolitan area such as LA, in which the jurisdiction is divided into subdivisions for jury pool purposes because of its size. I assume the Rittenhouse jury was drawn from the entire population of Kenosha County.

      Anyone interested in the OJ debacle would probably find The Bugliosi’s book fascinating. Far from presenting all or too much evidence to the jury, the prosecution elected not to present Simpson’s audiotaped statement to police, which The Bug (and I) found astoundingly stupid.

    274. jason says:

      Jadon provides vapid, generic analysis that must have taken about 10 seconds’


      I don’t get points for borrowed insults, Bitter is a stickler for the points rules.

    275. Tgca says:

      I will provide vapid, generic analysis that took must about 10 seconds to think up and is effectively a cut-and-paste article written to detract and that tells you nothing you already know.

      No matter what Palin said, good or bad, was ever going to be good enough for the Dems because they did not want it to be seen as the 1st female VP would be from the GOP.

      Now, there is plenty to criticize Palin for in the 2008 campaign but the point is that she had a pretty successful self-made political career in AK. Let’s not forget she challenged and won in a patriarchal environment that led to her becoming governor.

      In my vapid, generic view, it seems biased to talk about all these Dem woman that have broken the glass ceilings in politics in various states without considering Palin having done the same in AK, in a much more politically and culturally male-dominated environment.

    276. jason says:

      Far from presenting all or too much evidence to the jury,”

      Many analysts think the prosecution’s case was “throw everything out there and something will stick” They had 72 witnesses and over 100 pieces of evidence. By not having it all vetted properly, they opened the door to “if some is tainted, all is tainted”.

      And not everyone thinks Bugliosi (I did read his book) is right that it was a mistake not to present the audiotapes (although given the result I tend to agree it was a mistake).

    277. Tgca says:


      There you go! Now you’re thinking outside the box instead of posting vapid and generic analysis that takes no more than 10 seconds to think up.

      Remember, the killer in the original Fugitive series was a one-armed man, and as we all know …life imitates art …or does art imitate life? Hmmm…

      Where is Oscar Wilde when you need him?

    278. mnw says:

      As for the Dream Team…

      How dream-y is THIS? Robert Shapiro allowed police to questions client Simpson, & record the interview… while Shapiro waited outside. Shapiro advised Simpson to waive his 5th Amendment rights, & then Shapiro didn’t even bother to sit in on the questioning, which police would’ve permitted if Shapiro had wanted to do so.

      Back to Rittenhouse: At FOX, Jonathan Turley has some harsh criticism of the prosecutors’ performance– his comments are collected under the trial coverage roundup. As I did here last night, Turley speculates that the prosecutors’ expressed admiration for the rioters might’ve offended the jury. Fwiw, Turley thinks guilty verdicts probably are off the table now, & that NGs or a mistrial (hung jury) are all that’s left.

    279. Marv says:

      The jury has begun deliberations in the Rittenhouse case.

      Any predictions by anyone?

    280. Gordon Allen says:

      Ras 41-57,-30. Guess signing the infrastructure bill gave Biden a big lift in the polls…not

    281. jason says:

      As for the Dream Team…”

      Robert Shapiro allowed police to questions client Simpson, & record the interview”

      That was way before the Dream Team was assembled.

    282. jason says:

      Any predictions by anyone?”

      I already predicted an acquittal on all charges.

    283. mnw says:

      I can’t predict without having had a chance to watch the jury.

    284. jason says:

      My plan B is deadlocked jury.

      My plan C is he gets convicted of a reckless endangerment charge.

      My plan D is he get convicted on all charges

    285. Meldrim says:

      #278, mnw, thanks for the correction. I just looked it up, and the Rittenhouse jury indeed was drawn from a countywide pool. I’m not a litigator, and will defer to your experience on what is the most common way of drawing a jury, but I have heard of cases in which localities smaller than counties (such as cities or townships) are used as the source of jurors.

      Kenosha County gave President Trump 50.68% in 2020, after having given him 47.23% in 2016. This was an uptick from the Obama elections, in which it had given Romney 43.24% and McCain 40.12%. From 1960 until 2012 (inclusive), Kenosha County gave the GOP presidential candidate exceeded the 47.23% that Trump got in 2016 in only one election, Nixon’s 1972 landslide (when he got 53.93%). Even in his 1984 reelection, with all of those Reagan Democrats voting for him nationwide, Reagan fell just short of 47% of the vote. So we’re not talking about a strongly Republican county by any stretch, despite its overwhelmingly Republican rural areas.

      That being said, one would hope that the jury will not be composed of moonbats. Of course, all it takes is one to insist on a guilty verdict to force a hung jury.

    286. Tgca says:

      Here’s some more of my vapid, generic analysis that took about 10 seconds to think up and is effectively a cut-and-paste article written to detract, and tells you nothing you already know.

      OJ was a very likable and well-known celebrity so turning the public, hence, including a segment of the public such as in a jury against him, especially given the nature of the jury demographics, was never going to be easy and put the prosecution at a disadvantage in addition to their missteps.

      He was not just some street criminal. He was OJ dammit!

      The guy who had a great success story from crime and poverty in San Francisco to NFL to the movies. Who didn’t want OJ to succeed in life?

      Who can forget him in the Naked Gun series or rushing through the airport in car rental commercials.

      I was living in San Francisco at the time and recall many doubting his guilt. I recall one white woman I knew, married to an AA man, who adamantly defended his innocence and once stated “Nicole was not so innocent herself.”

      This suggests to me the lengths to which people will go to defend those they like or have a positive view, even in the face of overwhelming evidence by looking to find fault in the victim.

      Anyways, just my vapid, generic thoughts that took me no more than about 10 seconds to think up.

    287. Marv says:

      My prediction is that there will be a Not Guilty verdict on all counts, based on the available evidence. Based on human nature, however, a hung jury is quite possible..

    288. DW says:

      The longer the deliberations drag on, the more it looks like a hung jury. And the longer it goes on, the more it speaks to the horrible direction we are headed as a country. When you are not allowed any more to defend yourself from an attacker, and the police, governor, and national guard refuse to do their jobs.

    289. Bitterlaw says:

      I predict not guilty on all charges. If the jury is worried about the city burning, they could convict on reckless endangerment. However, he did not endanger anybody until he acted in self-defense. If convicted on that charge, the judge should sentence him to time served while awaiting trial.

    290. Marv says:

      Hi Bitter

      Haven’t chatted with you in awhile. How are things going?

    291. Bitterlaw says:

      I wonder who is more gloomy – Phil or DW? I am not saying they do not have a basis to be gloomy. They do. But lighten up about it.

    292. Bitterlaw says:

      Just living my Bitter life, Marv. What tropical paradise are you in now?

    293. jason says:

      I won $1000 on the OJ trial, full disclosure.

      I thought he would be acquitted and two of my friends put up $500 each that he wouldn’t.

      I thought the glove thing was devastating. I also thought it was a mistake for the prosecution to load up the jury with women on the theory they would be sympathetic to Nicole and the record of spousal abuse the prosecution spend so much time on. OJ was a football hero and outwardly charming and good looking to boot.

      So we made the bet the day before the verdict. I was disappointed in the verdict but $1000 richer.

    294. Marv says:


      In FL now. This Covid thing has derailed most of our travel plans.

    295. jason says:

      But lighten up about it.”

      After all, it is all normal, right?

    296. Tgca says:


      I’m not sure I agree on the hung jury conclusion. I don’t the jury consists mainly of black and Latino men.

    297. jason says:

      Tgca, if you are looking for something for me for Xmas, I can help out.

      No, no need to thank me, it is what I do.

    298. Tgca says:

      Study says suicide is linked to rise in humidity due to climate change and young and women most at risk.

      Humidity in particular had a higher correlation with suicide than heatwaves, and the link had the largest effect on younger people and women, according to the report, which ruled “there is likely a relationship between both heatwave occurrences and relative humidity with suicide.”

      In my view, the answer is easy. Ban all steam rooms! Simple!

    299. mnw says:


      The jury of 20 (including 8 alternates) has 19 whites & is 50% male.

      As a prosecutor, I’d be delighted with that usually, but this is no ordinary case. I suspect the defense is the side that’s happy with the jury.

      In the OJ case, I didn’t know any prosecutor in my office who was optimistic about conviction. We were all deeply pessimistic because of 1) the inner city jury; & 2) Ito’s weird decision to allow extrinsic impeachment on a collateral issue, i.e., to allow the defense to call witnesses to testify regarding the detective’s expressed racism on remote occasions unconnected to the Simpson case.

    300. Tgca says:

      Another Dem bites the dust and decides not to run. She represents San Mateo County area which is immediately south of San Francisco so her Dem seat should be safe in my vapid, generic analysis that took me about 10 seconds to think up.

      My guess is she wants to go out on top since prospects of the Dems holding the House looks dim today and she doesn’t want to be part of the minority party.

      I spent a good deal of time in and out there of that county and the folks political leanings are typical of the San Francisco Bay Area.

    301. DW says:

      Scary that its taking the jury so long. You just know there is some juror in there pleading…”but, but, what will happen if we say he’s innocent? That will just lead to more violence!” And another juror is countering that they have to go off the facts of the case, and not an emotional reaction as to what might happen thereafter.

    302. jason says:

      Ito’s weird decision to allow extrinsic impeachment on a collateral issue, i.e., to allow the defense to call witnesses to testify regarding the detective’s expressed racism on remote occasions unconnected to the Simpson case.”

      The venue might have had something to do with it. Inner city, mostly black jury.

      Had he not allowed it, he might have been perceived as biased.

      But in any case, witnesses of Furhman’s expressed racism or not, sequestered jury or not, it was impossible to hide Furhman’s racism from the jury.

      The prosecution was dealt a bad hand when they had Furhman as the “evidence finding” detective. Not only because of the racism angle, but because they also had tapes where he talked about planting evidence and using violence against suspects.

    303. jason says:

      Scary that its taking the jury so long.”

      Maybe, maybe not.

      They might hold off from a quick decision lest it be thought they didn’t give proper consideration to the evidence.

    304. mnw says:


      They’ve barely had time to select a foreman.

      There are multiple counts, & lesser included offenses within some of those counts. The jury is going to have to take multiple votes & discuss each one.

      I would be pleasantly surprised by fast verdicts on all counts, with no jury questions.

    305. Tgca says:

      Congressional Report: Inflation Hurts ‘Poor and Middle-class Americans’ the Most

      This is really surprising and totally unexpected. My vapid and generic analysis that would take about 10 seconds to think up would have never come to this conclusion. Glad we have smart people out there to tell us these things.

      Whoever thought the poor and middle-class would find inflation impactful to them. These groups should just follow Donna Brazile’s words of wisdom to shop smartly and cut coupons.

    306. mnw says:

      Retiring Rep. Speier (D-CA) still carries a bullet doctors were afraid to remove, courtesy of Jim Jones.

    307. Tgca says:


      I agree with my ally Jadon. A rush decision might be a concern they have.

      Good to see I’m not the only one here making vapid and generic analysis that would take only about 10 seconds to think up?

    308. Tgca says:

      Gibraltar Health Minister parrots Dr. Fow-chee with the need for folks to take Covid boosters.

      …with all vaccines, immune response fades over time.

      REALLY? Like after a few months? Then what’s the point?

      She later errs and talks about taking the vaccines in comparison to getting Covid.

      Vaccines DO NOT PREVENT COVID!!! You stoopid blonde bimbo!

    309. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      If the elections for #congress were held today, Republicans would win with voters 51% to 38%.

    310. Phil says:


      Good Lord.are we sure that’s not a typo?

    311. Phil says:


      Good Lord. Are we sure that’s not a typo?


    312. Tgca says:

      Oh wow! Are these three guys our three HHR fascists?

      Police in Austria stopping people in stores and driving to check their Covid vax ID.

    313. Gordon Allen says:

      51-38 would mean a gain of 75-100 seats. That’s impossible.

    314. jason says:

      Oh wow! Are these three guys our three HHR fascists?”

      They are having orgasms just thinking about it.

    315. Dylan says:

      #518–Ironically–even with a 100+ seat majority in the House–the GOP would not have a veto override majority in the US Senate so Biden could basically veto any and all legislation with impunity until 2025–assuming the GOP wins then. The situation is not full of any real hope. So easy to tear things DOWN permanently in 1 term.

    316. mnw says:


      “You’re looking at such a wipeout in 2022, there may be only a handful of white Democrats left. You know, Jerry Nadler will survive, but anybody to the right of him who isn’t black or Latino will be gone.”

      Dick Morris

      On another topic: soon-yo-be-former Rep. Jackie Speier’s CA-14 district has a PVI of DEM +28.

    317. Cash Cow TM says:

      Any questions at any presser to Jen Pee-sack-eye (AKA Little Red Lying Hood) about efforts to free the 18 missionaries captured in Haiti some weeks ago?
      And I hear that Biden is going to have a zoom meeting with China president “G”.

      Why is he not meeting with China president “A”?
      And why do they have so many alphabet presidents in Chiner?

    318. NYCmike says:

      -Hunter Biden in the news again……OOPS, sorry, it’s just a Bush family member, nothing to see here!

    319. Wes says:

      So, who will be the next Democrat from a safe district whose retirement serves as a bellwether for upcoming events in the US House?

    320. Chicon says:

      324 – Nancy Pelosi.

    321. Wes says:

      This worked so well for TMac last year. Keep ai it, Dems!

    322. Wes says:

      This I’ll believe when it actually happens:

      Sununu, Jr, is still fairly young for a Senate candidate, but his time for a comeback was 2014 when he probably would have beaten Shaheen. I’m also skeptical about having two Sununus serve on a ticket simultaneously for statewide office. That didn’t work out too well for Harry Reid’s son in 2010 for example.

      On the other hand, by all accounts, Sununu was a good Senator who lost reelection only because Republicans were losing everything of importance in 2008. He has an established name in the state and can fundraise well.

      He wouldn’t be a bad get, but I wonder if the NHGOP might be able to find another decent candidate. If not, and John, Jr, decides to run, the NRSC might as well go all in for him against Moonbat Maggie.

    323. jason says:

      Well for one thing, you can bet John Sununu would get some votes from people who think they are voting for Chris Sununu.

    324. jason says:

      I don’t see anyone better in NH to run on the R side.

    325. jason says:

      Let’s get this straight.

      The Dems allege CRT is not being taught so it is not an issue but they are upset that Rs are fighting to keep it from being taught?

    326. jason says:

      3 PM exit polls look good for Rittenhouse.

    327. DW says:

      wow its taking a long time in the jury room. Scary.

    328. Tgca says:

      Thwee Thwee Thwee Bishes!

      Thwee Thwee Thwee I Thay!

    329. Tgca says:


      Be patient. No need to rush.

      I hear they’re stuck on the death penalty instructions.

    330. DW says:

      Apparently police vehicles are on the scene and the national guard is ready. Too bad they didn’t do their jobs before so there wouldn’t be this situation now.

    331. jason says:

      Maybe there will be riots by thousands of white supremacists if he is convicted.

    332. jason says:

      The white supremacists will burn down minority owned businesses.

      CNN will send a crew to says the fires are mostly peaceful and not to worry, insurance will cover the damages.

      BLM will try to maintain order.

    333. DW says:

      337 – and then the prosecutor will call them heroes?

    334. Dylan says:

      Biden’s handlers can not possibly think he looks anything other than pathetic in those zoom photos of the Xi virtual summit. We truly have no one in charge but the Wizard of Oz.

    335. Tgca says:


      Not true! Dorothy and Toto got this all under control.

      Remember, just close your eyes and click your heels and say:

      There’s no place like DC.
      There’s no place like DC.

    336. DW says:

      Its what I said days ago…the Biden administration is allegorized by the Hornblower episodes “Mutiny” and “Retribution,” where the ship’s captain was insane and yet their orders were to sail to across the Atlantic and attack a fortress. The story didn’t end well for most of the ship’s crew.

    337. DW says:

      Fox News: “Jurors requests copies of full jury instructions in Rittenhouse trial

      The jury requested 11 more copies of pages 7 through 36 of the jury instructions on Tuesday afternoon after requesting pages 1 through 6 this morning.

      The instructions are 36 pages in all, so these are copies of the complete jury instructions.”

      Not sure what it means. I recall when I was on a jury, and we were deliberating, one guy kept saying we need to go back and and get more information about several points in the case. We kept telling the guy we had all they were going to give us–we had to decide with what we got. Finally to pacify the guy, we went back out, the foreman of the jury asked the question, the judge said we have to decide with what we were given, and so we went back at it.

    338. Tgca says:

      Apparently, this is not photoshopped according to news reporting and is a mask the Gubbernor of Oregon made and wears.

      Dems have a fit over caging kids but are silent on caging one of Rudolf’s buddies in a cramped glass cage.

      I guess they figure if they cage Santa’s reindeer then he can’t travel Xmas Eve. He has refused to get vaccinated.

      This is UNBELIEVABLE!

    339. Tina says:

      More evidence the fib is corrupt. Hopefully Rs choke out this agency when they get power back

      House Judiciary GOP
      · 2h
      Police cars revolving lightPolice cars revolving lightPolice cars revolving light#BREAKING: Whistleblower Discloses Explosive Documents Showing FBI Using Counterterrorism Tools to Investigate Parents
      Show this thread

    340. Tina says:

      Surrender and retreat.

      Chad Pergram
      · 3h
      McConnell on debt ceiling:
      We’ll figure out how to avoid default. We always do.

    341. Tgca says:

      I saw this the other day so here goes in case you’ve not seen it.

      The world is CRAZY!!!

      This non-binary assistant professor at Old Dominion University is trying to normalize the term MAP (Minor Attracted Persons)<

      Evidently, according to IT, we should not use the term “pedophile” for people attracted to kids if they’ve not acted on it and they should not be stigmatized for what they feel. Ok. I can see that but then IT goes much further.

      IT says it’s important to respect preferred pronouns, and IT thinks MAP, Minor Attracted Person is the more appropriate and respectful term to use.

      IT claims IT is not condoning abuse of children but instead pointing out the existence of MAP individuals and ensuring they are welcomed in society without judgment if they’ve not acted on their desires.


      There’s a video at the end of the article where IT explains their advocacy for MAP.

    342. Tina says:

      Will leadership even say anything?

      Christopher F. Rufo Crossed swords
      · 2h
      BREAKING: House Republicans have obtained whistleblower documents showing that the FBI is using its counterterrorism division to investigate and add “threat tags” to parents—contradicting Attorney General Garland’s sworn testimony.

      Merrick Garland must resign.

    343. DW says:

      This guy on twitter sums it up pretty clearly: “Jacob Blake accosted his rape victim then pulled a knife on the cops and tried to steal a vehicle with a child inside. He was shot justifiably. The media lied, provoked riots, leading to the Rittenhouse shooting, which they also lied about. They are truly the enemy of the people.”

    344. Bitterlaw says:

      DW killed the thread.

    345. jason says:

      So the guy who kicked Rittenhouse in the head and dodged a couple bullets is black. Both are lucky, the assailant because he is still alive and Rittenhouse because he didn’t kill a black guy.

      “The Dan O’Donnell Show” can now report exclusively that Jump Kick Man is a 40-year-old Black male from Kenosha with an extensive criminal record who was at the time of the Rittenhouse shootings on probation following a conviction for domestic violence battery. He faced a maximum sentence of nine months in jail, but less than two months before he kicked Rittenhouse, he accepted a plea deal that netted him 12 months’ probation. The following year, he violated the terms of his probation and was sentenced to seven months in jail…

      “The Dan O’Donnell Show” is not naming Jump Kick Man, as he has not been criminally charged in connection with the Rittenhouse case. Sources indicate that he contacted prosecutors and offered to testify, but in exchange requested immunity from an ongoing drunk driving and domestic abuse case with which he was charged in June. Prosecutors declined his offer and chose not to call him as a witness in the Rittenhouse case.

      According to online court records, Jump Kick Man has a criminal record that dates back more than two decades, with multiple felony convictions for car theft, ID theft, drug possession, and escaping custody. Given this and a recent prior conviction for misdemeanor battery (and a subsequent probation revocation), Jump Kick Man should have been sentenced to at least some jail time following his most recent conviction…

      Jump Kick Man had been sentenced to probation in three different cases and violated the terms of that probation every single time. Still, a judge last June sentenced him to probation yet again…and yet again he violated the terms of that probation earlier this year.”

    346. Tina says:

      Kampala blurs presidential seal. Shade Wars

    347. jason says:

      Surrender and retreat.

      Chad Pergram
      · 3h
      McConnell on debt ceiling:
      We’ll figure out how to avoid default. We always do.”

      Maybe Tina can explain how a government shutdown will be a positive for Republicans.

      The Dems are self destructing all on their own, but let’s throw them a lifeline so they and their MSM allies can shift the blame for all the problems on Rs for shutting down the government.


    348. Tina says:

      Finally but where is Mitchie?

      Chad Pergram
      McCarthy on Fox on Garland/targeting parents over school board protests: We need to bring him back in. He openly lied, and I wonder if this was a direct order from the White House.

    349. Tina says:

      RRH Elections
      · 39m
      Republicans have won the (officially nonpartisan) mayor’s race in Columbia, SC, which was 71% Biden last year. Obama placed robocalls for the Democrat here.…

    350. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Perhaps if we had not had lockdowns, but had focused on protecting the vulnerable in 2020, more natural immunity among the healthy would exist. It appears to provide better protection against the Delta variant than the vaccines.

      “The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.”

    351. jason says:

      Perhaps if we had not had lockdowns, but had focused on protecting the vulnerable in 2020, more natural immunity among the healthy would exist. ”

      I advocated for this all of 2020. Lockdown nursing homes. Isolate the most vulnerable population. Treat the sick. Everyone else take their chances with a 99.9%+ of survival (the figure excluding co-morbidities and very elderly).

    352. jason says:

      How many wildfires happen during snowstorms, Joe?

      “How do I cross a bridge in a snowstorm… What happens if the bridge collapses and there’s a fire on the other side? It’s gonna take ten miles longer to get to the fire. People could die.

    353. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Your head will spin when you read the summary of this week’s Politico/ Morning Consult Poll, the link is below and this pollster is very Dem-friendly.

      Biden’s approval/disapproval is 44/53, respectively. Ratings for his character traits are downright awful.

      This poll was taken last weekend, well after Congress passed the so-called infrastructure legislation. He was at a net -5 in the poll prior to today’s release. Therefore, his net negative went up by 4 pts.

    354. Tgca says:

      If this is true, the judge needs to step up and tell these jurors it’s their responsibility to follow his instructions and not concern themselves with issues outside the courtroom. If they can’t do that then they should be removed from the jury and treated as a hostile juror.

      Apparently, if these jurors are worried about this now and not before then that means they must be watching the news or somehow discussing the trial outside the courtroom to be aware of these tensions which means they have violated the judges instructions.

      This is wrong! Perhaps this jury should have been sequestered. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see the MSM is stirring up BS here and trying to put pressure on the jury.

      Part of being a juror is accepting juror responsibilities.

      Kenosha Marshal Reveals Why Two Jurors are Hesitant to Come Forward with Rittenhouse Verdict: They are Afraid of ‘Backlash’

    355. jason says:

      I would be skeptical of this story.

    356. Tgca says:

      CT nursing home housing 70 residents had Covid outbreak between residents and staff. 89 people got Covid. 87 of 89 Covid cases were vaccinated. 8 vaccinated died and had significant health issues.

      Time to stop kidding ourselves that the vaccine protects you from Covid. It DOES NOT!

      The vaccine can reduce but DOES NOT eliminate the chances of severe illness or hospitalization and it DOES NOT prevent you from Covid infection or transmission.

      What is so hard to understand about this very simple concept?

      I saw a clip of The View where these stoopid hosts argue that it’s not true that vaccinated can transmit Covid when a guest brought up the CDC itself states that vaccinated can transmit Covid. They’re arguing the Surgeon General says otherwise.

      People are IGORENT and need to educate themselves.

    357. jason says:

      Going to the 6th court. Good luck there.

      “A GOP-dominated court has been picked at random to consider the fate of President Biden’s mandate that larger employers require workers to be vaccinated. Republican-led states, businesses and conservative groups are challenging the rule.”

    358. Tgca says:

      My point is this is a high profile case and extremely difficult to avoid it’s publicity. The judge should have sequestered the jurors.

      …and no juror should EVER base their decision on how it might impact events outside the courtroom.

      I would not be surprised at all if these jurors are concerned about events outside the courtroom because it’s nearly impossible to avoid information about this high profile trial.

      The judge himself has admitted to getting threats so it’s not unreasonable for the jury to fear it as well.

      Unfortunately, most of this is driven by the MSM.

    359. jason says:

      For that story to be true you need at least one juror discussing the case with a Marshall and at least one Marshall leaking the conversation to the press.

      I suppose it is possible but we don’t know if what the juror said is true, if what the Marshall said about what the juror said is true, and if what the reporter said about what the Marshall said is true.

      Caveat emptor.

    360. mnw says:

      Posobiec has had supposed scoops before which were not confirmed and sank without a trace– i.e., that VP Harris was “exploring the 25th Amendment in a non-joking way.” That was some months back.

      Also, his anonymous source is supposedly a Deputy U.S. Marshal. My first question is, is the USM even working this state trial, or did the reports about what Posobiec learned just confuse the USM with state courtroom deputies?

      I never once knew of a DUSM leaking info from a jury room, but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen, I guess.

    361. Cash Cow TM says:

      Sen. Durbin is a Dick.

    362. Chicon says:

      1. It is highly doubtful that a juror had the conversation in question. It also wouldn’t likely be with a US Marshal in a state court setting.

      2. It is very possible that jurors are afraid of doxxing and violence against their families.

      Both can be true.

    363. DW says:

      Even if a juror mumbled something to a baliff or guard or anyone who works in the court, there is no way any of those people would have then leaked something to the outside. NO way they would risk losing their employment, and its a pretty cushy job.

    364. jason says:

      Maybe a local bailiff could have a loose tongue, but a US Marshall would know better.

      I would rate this as possible but highly unlikely.

    365. jason says:

      Cost of Thanksgiving Dinner Rises Twice as Fast as Wages”

      This is highly racist and discriminatory against carnivores, who basically eat turkey and ham at Thanksgiving and leave the green bean casserole and candied yams to the low information diners.

      The price of desiccated tree bark has not increased at all, so Tgca is not going to pay a cent more for his Thanksgiving.

    366. jason says:

      Marshal not Marshall. I blame the one room school house on the Andean Altiplano.

    367. mnw says:


      I HAVE known of major misconduct involving state courtroom deputies and jurors. I know of one headline, first degree murder conviction which was overturned because it was discovered, post-trial, that a courtroom deputy had been having sex with a sequestered juror. I also know of instances where state deputies smuggled liquor to jurors.

      As stated, I never experienced (or heard about) similar instances involving jurors & DUSMs.

      You are correct that a gig as a DUSM is an impressive career achievement for most law enforcement officers, & people who accomplished that would be reluctant to leak info that would get them fired.

    368. DW says:

      If the jurors are worried about a backlash for a not-guilty verdict, the far graver danger is a guilty verdict, resulting in these rioters being emboldened to further live lawlessly. A guilty verdict means they can literally do whatever they want, and anyone who stops them is guilty of a serious crime.

    369. Phil says:

      Good point, DW. I hadn’t thought of it that way before.

    370. Tom says:

      There’s a special place in hell reserved for any juror that would falsely convict someone based on how some in the public might react.

    371. mnw says:

      Fwiw, upon further consideration, I just don’t believe that USM personnel would be working a state trial. It doesn’t make sense. It would put sworn federal officers under the direction of a state judge.

      I could envision the USM being used to keep public order, pursuant to some federal statute, but not to watch over a state jury.

    372. DW says:

      9 minutes ago:

      Jury has question for judge in Rittenhouse trial
      Judge Bruce Schroeder is calling everyone back into the courtroom to read aloud the jury’s question.

    373. jason says:

      I see the question. Can we have pastrami AND corned beef instead of one or the other for lunch?

    374. DW says:

      Rittenhouse jury asks judge a question on second day of deliberations

      The jury in the Rittenhouse trial has asked the judge two questions: “Do we view videos in private or in the courtroom?” and “Do you need to know exact exhibit number of photos?”

    375. Tina says:

      Looks like Perdue is inching his way into challenging Gover Idiot.

    376. jason says:

      “Asked whether Biden is mentally fit, voters are almost evenly split, with 46 percent saying he is and 48 percent disagreeing.”


    377. jason says:

      Well, you have two options on the questions, take your pick.

    378. DW says:

      Judge says jury can view videos relevant to trial in courtroom

      Trying to divine what this can mean…maybe a lone holdout trying to get a guilty verdict, and the other jurors want this holdout to see the video again to prove their point?

    379. mnw says:

      Sweating out verdicts. I feel like an old firehouse who’s been put out to pasture!

      Try as I might, I can’t glean anything whatever from those questions.

    380. jason says:

      The videos favor Rittenhouse, so there is that….

    381. Tina says:

      It depends, the video manipulated by the blob and soy boy may not.

      The defense just filed a motion for a mistrial with prejudice.

      Soy boy and the blob apparently withheld the video. They gave a “different” version, but not the same one. So, it’s a Brady violation.

    382. Tina says:

      Turleys summmary here on that motion.

      Jonathan Turley
      …Given the continual complaints over the “grainy” quality of videos, the withholding of a high def version is astonishing. However this case has been continual train wreck of evidentiary and tactical failures.
      Show this thread
      Shem Horne Retweeted

      Jonathan Turley
      The defense filed a new motion for dismissal alleging that the prosecution withheld key video evidence. The defense was given a 3.6MB video while the prosecution used a 11.2MB. The larger file was not provided to the defense “until after the trial concluded.”

    383. Bitterlaw says:

      When in doubt, I always turn over evidence. Better to lose a case I should have lost than lose my license hiding something.

    384. jason says:

      I think a mistrial after a verdict on that motion is unlikely. Possibly the judge is betting on an acquittal which would make it moot.

    385. Tina says:

      The prosecutors even told the judge our video is better.

    386. DW says:

      Rittenhouse judge slams media for ‘grossly irresponsible handling’ of the trial

    387. mnw says:


      If I get it, they get it– and immediately.

      The jury should’ve been sequestered. I don’t know if the defense moved for that or not. The trial has turned into a train wreck.

    388. mnw says:

      Andrew McCarthy is saying the same thing as Turley. Before he became an atty, McCarthy was a a DUSM, btw.

    389. DW says:

      Rittenhouse jury has more questions for the judge
      The jury has two more questions. It’s unclear what they are now.

      He’s going back into his chambers while he waits for the attorneys to get into the courtroom.

    390. DW says:

      One of the judge’s responsibilities is to ensure a fair trail. This judge needs to summon up all his testosterone and make this fair.

    391. Tina says:

      Kurt Schlichter
      My guess –
      is right that 1-2 jurors are afraid to acquit and are holding up the verdict.

      If there is a mistrial, I hope the judge grants the misconduct mistrial motion he has not yet considered and does so with prejudice.

    392. lisab says:

      The price of desiccated tree bark has not increased at all

      actually, the price of tree bark (mulch) is up 15 to 25% over last year, depending on quality

    393. Tina says:


      Judge has not read the motion to dismiss. Will do so.

    394. NYCmike says:


    395. Tgca says:

      302. Jadon

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      However, I’m mindful that you like to be atop of current events so I’ll be replacing your desired Christmas gift with another book to help broaden your horizons.

      A Long Dark Shadow: Minor-Attracted People and Their Pursuit of Dignity.

      Challenging widespread assumptions that persons who are preferentially attracted to minors—often referred to as “pedophiles”—are necessarily also predators and sex offenders, this book takes readers into the lives of non-offending minor-attracted persons (MAPs). There is little research into non-offending MAPs, a group whose experiences offer valuable insights into the prevention of child abuse. Navigating guilt, shame, and fear, this universally maligned group demonstrates remarkable resilience and commitment to living without offending and to supporting and educating others. Using data from interview-based research, A Long, Dark Shadow offers a crucial account of the lived experiences of this hidden population.

    396. Tina says:

      Judge taking testimony on the video and possible mistrial.

    397. lisab says:

      the trouble is, if it is a mistrial, they will just prosecute him again


      there will be riots

    398. DW says:

      Lets just get the not-guilty decision, and then if they riot, they riot, and hopefully this time the police and national guard do their jobs, and if we are lucky a few more child rapists will be offed in the process–but this time by the authorities, not a 17 year old.

    399. Tgca says:

      So Youngkin will start his term by taking a different approach than other GOP gubbernors.

      I think forcing these vaccines on young children, who are not at risk for Covid just to make teachers “feel” better or to require masks all day that can cause a host of health issues in children should not be up to educators alone. Parents should have a say in this as it impacts their children’s health.

      Youngkin will be in essence following what Tmac said about keeping parents out of schooling decisions.

      I doubt this is going to go over well with many in the GOP who just voted for him.

      Glenn Youngkin, the Republican Governor-elect of Virginia, will be allowing localities in the state – including cities, counties, and public school systems – to implement mask and vaccine mandates, but says he will not impose a mandate at the state level. This differs from Republican governors in stronghold states like Florida, which have banned the practice of mandating vaccines outright.

    400. mnw says:

      The state could elect not to retry it.

      I don’t expect the court to order a mistrial because of a discovery issue.

    401. lisab says:

      Exasperation and dysfunction: Inside Kamala Harris’ frustrating start as vice president

      fox news …

      oh wait …

      it was CNN!

      (when you have lost CNN as a democrat, it is time to rethink your career options — they even rehired toobin, so if CNN has turned on you, it is a very bad sign)

    402. Tina says:

      If the pixels don’t fit, you must acquit.

    403. lisab says:

      If the pixels don’t fit, you must acquit.

      that is just what toobin said 🙂

    404. DW says:

      headline at FoxNews:

      “Jury’s first requests not unexpected for complicated case, expert says”

      Complicated? If this case is complicated to Fox News, then may God help us. The right to defend yourself is gone.

    405. mnw says:


      The indictment & the instructions regarding the lesser included offenses seem fairly complex.

    406. Tgca says:


      I agree. This is an easy case. It’s not complex.

      The judge’s instructions should be pretty simple.

      Is it self defense to shoot a bunch of scum who attack you?

      What’s so hard to understand about that?

    407. Bitterlaw says:

      I will defer to mnw – a former Federal prosecutor – on his assessment of the indictment and jury instructions.

      Sue me.

    408. Tgca says:

      Hey! Conservative sites must be following my posts and copying my style now. Maybe I should trademark my style. Hmmm…

      Bishes!!! I thay! Bishes!!!

      Bishes on The View triggered by Rittenhouse case…

    409. DW says:


      NASA’s rovers now looking for 18 potential jurors for the second trial of Kyle Rittenhouse so as to ensure the new jurors have not heard of the circumstances of the case.

    410. DW says:

      Breaking…a source from inside the courtroom has leaked the information that the jury intends to keep deliberating until the first day its 5 degrees and wind chills -30. Then they will announce their verdict without the worry of facing protesters outside.

    411. DW says:

      Defense says they will motion for mistrial without prejudice over drone video

      Defense attorney Corey Chirafisi told Judge Bruce Schroeder on Wednesday afternoon that the defense will ask for a mistrial without prejudice over a dispute about a drone video, meaning that the state would be able to retry the case.

      Kyle Rittenhouse’s attorneys originally motioned for a mistrial with prejudice on Monday, arguing that the “prosecution gave the defense a compressed version of the video” that “was not as clear as the video kept by the state.”

      Assistant District Attorney James Kraus attributed the difference in videos to a technological glitch, saying that the video was compressed because it was transferred from an iPhone to an Android phone.

      Regardless, the defense said that they have spoken with Rittenhouse and will be asking for a mistrial because they would have approached the trial differently if they had the higher-quality video.

      “We didn’t have the quality of evidence that the state had until the case had been closed,” Chirafisi told the judge.

      “To not get that until the evidence has been closed, that doesn’t strike me as fair,” he continued. “This is a potential life sentence here.”

      Judge Schroeder did not immediately rule on the mistrial request.

      Meanwhile, the jury has requested to see the drone video. The prosecution and defense are currently discussing how the video should be played for the jury.

    412. NYCmike says:

      #416 – good planning!

    413. DW says:

      The info in 417 doesn’t look good for Rittenhouse…legal experts please chime in…doesn’t this mean that the defense thinks they are likely to lose?

      If they were confident of acquittal, then file for mistrial with prejudice, right?

    414. NYCmike says:

      “I doubt this is going to go over well with many in the GOP who just voted for him.”


      Not sure about that. If he leaves it up to the local school boards and governments to make that choice, and if the local government wants to act in a heavy handed manner, the local populace get a chance to vote them out, if they so choose. Virginia is not Florida, and I think it may be wise to take the hands off approach from a state level, and then insist that all localities report the health numbers, and then you can compare those areas that mandated things against those that didn’t mandate things, and people can make an informed choice about what the better method is.

    415. DW says:

      Jurors enter courtroom to rewatch videos from trial
      The judge cleared the courtroom Wednesday as the jury in the Rittenhouse trial rewatch video evidence of the Kenosha shooting.

      Footage that the jury requested to see include the livestream by Gaige Grosskreutz, who was shot by Rittenhouse once in the arm, as well as drone video.

      The move came after a war of words between the prosecution and defense over the drone footage.

    416. Wes says:

      This I actually have to agree with:

      Gosar posted an anime video of himself killing another member of Congress. People on the Right were–justifiably–furious when liberals produced sound effects of themselves shooting GWB and pictures of decapitated Trump heads.

      This should be no different. Gosar did something stupid and egregious. The House had a right to censure him regardless of our thoughts on the target of his video.

    417. jason says:

      “I doubt this is going to go over well with many in the GOP who just voted for him.”

      It shouldn’t. It is a mistake, the woke local school boards and governments will just take advantage to discriminate and crush any opposition to the mandates.

      Youngkin shows he is naive and already succumbing to pressure.


    418. jason says:

      Gosar did something stupid and egregious”

      Zzzzz… it was a cartoon. Democrats have said and done far worse things and nobody censured anything.

      That is why only Stockholm Syndrome Cheney and Kizinger on the R voted for this ridiculous censure.

      Just another example of partisan BS.

    419. Wes says:

      We have a new victim of Biden’s increasing unpopularity as G. K. Butterfield (D-NC) will retire rather than face a competitive reelection race in a Dem midterm:

      The General Assembly redistricted Butterfield’s district recently, so he clearly decided to cash in rather than have to spend tons of money on reelection and face a significant chance of a loss.

      Who’s next?

    420. jason says:

      Exactly. Where was the “censure” then?

      Rep. @laurenboebert
      : “My colleague & three-month presidential candidate from Calif. [@ericswalwell
      ], who’s on the Intelligence Committee, slept with Fang Fang, a Chinese spy. Let me say that again. A member of Congress who receives classified briefings was sleeping w/ the enemy.”

      But Gosar gets censored for an innocuous cartoon.

    421. Wes says:

      You’re an idiot, Jason. I specifically addressed what liberals did in my post. I knew you’d be a hypocrite who would engage in whataboutism to distract from what Gosar did.

    422. Wes says:

      More whataboutism from Jason.

      No one said Swalwell shouldn’t be censured or even expelled from the House for what he did. He should be in prison. Unfortunately elections–in this case resulting a Dem majority in the House–have consequences and have resulted in Pelosi’s protecting Swalwell until 14 months from now.

    423. jason says:

      I specifically addressed what liberals did in my post. ”

      But you never called for them to be censured right?

      As usual, you just eat up the MSNBC talking points to regurgitate them here.

      But hey, you are in good company with scumbags like Cheney and Kinzinger.

    424. DW says:

      maybe the jury should deliberate until 2 am…then say not-guilty, and get out of town before the goons return to protest in the morning.

    425. jason says:


      ‘Next Week We Might Be Indicting Wile E. Coyote’: Gaetz Blasts Dems Over Gosar Censure

    426. Wes says:

      More whataboutism.

      Threatening a sitting President with death should result in something far worse than censure–like, say, prison time.

      You’re too stupid to be having this debate. Literally the first thing you went for was whataboutism. Now you’re creating fantasy statements I didn’t make to argue.

      You truly are pathetic.

    427. jason says:

      wes is a hypocrite who never once complained about the outrageous treatment Trump got from Democrats, but now he is here to carry AOC’s water and whine about Gosar.

      Why? Because for a hypocrite, the ends always justify the means.

    428. jason says:

      With wes, what is good for the goose is never good for the gander.

    429. NYCmike says:

      “maybe the jury should deliberate until 2 am…then say not-guilty, and get out of town before the goons return to protest in the morning.”

      -Better to have the verdict at 8AM, as the rioters are too lazy to be up at such an early hour. Plus, if they want to come out right away and riot, there is still daylight to help identify them. If they wait until sundown, you have about 8-10 hours to prepare the troops to defend the city.

    430. Wes says:

      Can you make create another phantom statement I literally never made to argue with, Jason?

      I literally said threatening threatening a President with death should result in prison time a few posts up.

      You’re just flailing at this point. It would be hilarious if weren’t such pathetic drivel posted by an absolute moron.

    431. jason says:

      Literally the first thing you went for was whataboutism.”

      Sorry you hate that I point out your astounding hypocrisy, you never once complained of the “egregious and stupid” behavior by Democrats, in far greater number and much more serious than Gosar’s cartoon.

      But now you are all offended and outraged, just like MSNBC and CNN.

    432. NYCmike says:

      The Gosar thing was a cartoon? Is it available to see before I make my decision on it?

      Personally, I would regard it as stupid to do such a thing, especially with the media situation we have today.

    433. NYCmike says:

      jason is making sh*t up about Wes not complaining about media treatment of Trump. While Wes definitely blamed Trump as his own worst enemy, he did so with the awareness that the media was going to do everything to help push him in that direction.

    434. DW says:

      30 seconds ago
      Rittenhouse jury ends second day of deliberations without reaching verdict
      Jurors in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial left around 4:30 p.m. CT after their second day of deliberations

      The 12 jurors spent roughly 7 1/2 hours at the courthouse on Wednesday and rewatched video from the trial inside the courtroom for about 45 minutes.

      As jurors deliberated, the prosecution and defense spent hours debating the case in front of the judge.

    435. jason says:

      I literally said threatening threatening a President with death should result in prison time a few posts up.”

      You are a pathological liar.

      Never once did you ever say anything about the many threats, insults and lies levied against Trump.

      So spare me your fake outrage against Gosar.

    436. Wes says:

      I’m not offended at all. I’m amused to watch you have to switch to arguments about phantom statements from me once I shot down your whataboutism argument.

      You look exactly like the fool you are in your responses.

    437. mnw says:

      As one who wants to see Rittenhouse acquitted on all charges, I’m not crazy about the state of play right now.

      Reading between the lines of what defense counsel told the court (quoted in 417 above), I suspect he’s implying to the court that if the defense had had the better quality video, it might have changed the defendant’s risk calculus about deciding to go to trial.

      Of course, just because defense counsel told the court that, it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s his true feeling.

      Still, it makes me suspect that the defense team sees the better quality tape as a net negative for the defense.

      I watched the tape in question on my laptop, & I couldn’t get anything out of it myself.

    438. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      The censure of Gosar was overkill. An apology from him would have sufficed. Albeit, he’s a jerk.
      The above said, I cannot get exercised about just about anything a GOP member does or says after:
      1- No censure of Maxine Waters for promulgating violence against Trump and other Republicans
      2- Letting Omar escape censure for her rabidly anti-Semitic statements
      3- Not expelling Nancy Pelosi from the House for ripping up the transcript of Trump’s SOTU Address in front of Americans and the World to see.

      So much of what the Democrats do to their opposition is authoritarian in nature. It’s frightening!

    439. jason says:

      The Gosar thing was a cartoon? Is it available to see before I make my decision on it?”

      Yes, it was a cartoon and a parody.

      If you are going to censure people in Congress for that, you are going to have to censure 99% of the members at one time or another, the point Gaetz made.

      Censure should be reserved for really egregious matters, only 23 members have been censured in History.

      But now it is cheapened by woke politics, which of course wes goes for like a maggot to horse crap.

    440. Wes says:

      I literally burst out laughing when I read your comment in 441. You–the biggest pathological liar in HHR history and one of the stupidest posters ever to slobber his pablum on this blog–accuse me of being lying when I literally posted a comment saying threatening a sitting President with death should be ground for prison time.

      You can’t be more pathetic at this point, accusing me of lying when what I said is on this very thread.

    441. Wes says:

      Flail, Jason, flail!

    442. Tina says:

      Who censured Maxine? See how weak our side is?

    443. jason says:

      1- No censure of Maxine Waters for promulgating violence against Trump and other Republicans
      2- Letting Omar escape censure for her rabidly anti-Semitic statements
      3- Not expelling Nancy Pelosi from the House for ripping up the transcript of Trump’s SOTU Address in front of Americans and the World to see.”
      4- Schiff saying for years he had evidence of Trump collusion with Russia and never sharing one iota of it.
      5. Swalwell sleeping with a Chinese spy.

      No problem, according to wes. The problem is Gosar’s silly anime cartoon.

    444. Chicon says:

      Robbie, give Wes his phone back.

    445. jason says:

      accusing me of lying when what I said is on this very thread.”

      Sorry, I ignore the red herrings and the BS.

      Show me ANY post where you actually called for a Democrat to be censured.

      There won’t be any, because you are addicted to MSM talking points and they never called for a Democrat to be censure.

    446. Chicon says:

      449 – add in whichever Squad member married her brother.

    447. Wes says:

      To recap, Jason starts with whataboutism, then creates phantom arguments he claims I made to attack. Now he accuses me of being a pathological liar right after I posted exactly what I had previously said.

      This is astounding.

    448. jason says:

      The censure of Gosar was overkill. An apology from him would have sufficed.”

      Of course it was, that is why you only see Cheney, Kinzinger and wes supporting it.

      Now censure has become a joke, used to punish people from the other party for their views instead of what it was designed for, serious breaches.

      Same with impeachment.

    449. Chicon says:

      Whataboutism is a MSM talking point word.

    450. Tgca says:

      Threatening a president should NOT be met with prison time!

      That is naive understanding of the justice system.

      You have to look at context. If it’s made in jest or a joke or done mockingly, then it may be in bad taste and it may require looking into the matter by SS and FBI to ensure there’s no real threat but it should not be met with prison time unless it is a serious planned threat that can be carried out.

      If someone says I’m gonna cut off the president’s head because I can’t stand his ugly face, that is not a serious threat to imprison someone over.

      Trump had many threats against him, including a play in NYC where’s a lookalike is stabbed to death.

      Wes, clearly again show’s his naïveté on the justice system just like he doesn’t understand fraud or forensics analysis.

      Very simple minded analysis from him as usual because that’s what he “feels” and “ thinks.”

    451. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      6- No censure of Pelosi for her histrionics on the House floor during Netanyahu’s anti- Iran Deal presentation
      7- No censure of the House members who protested on the House Floor by blocking business with respect to gun control legislation. (Paul Ryan was Speaker when this occurred.)

    452. Tina says:

      If/when we gett the majority in the house, will we keep Swallowell off a committee?

      What about Schiffty, who should be sued, for,lying about the ,uh Russian hoax?

    453. jason says:

      449 – add in whichever Squad member married her brother.”

      There are literally hundreds of examples you can come up with, but none will fit wes’ narrative so he will ignore them.

      See, pointing out how ridiculous this censure is and giving examples of much more serious and egregious acts constitutes “whataboutism”.

      You can’t make this sh-t up.

    454. jason says:

      Very simple minded analysis from him as usual because that’s what he “feels” and “ thinks.”

      Yes, he “feels and thinks” Gosar is just terrible, while ignoring literally hundreds of instances where censure could actually apply.

    455. jason says:

      Whataboutism is a MSM talking point word.”

      Yeah, that is why wes LOVES it.

      So does Amoral Scumbag.

    456. Tgca says:

      Now Wes will go on for a hundred posts analyzing every word and twisting them about to try and prove he’s right because he’s being called on a silly argument he made.

      Wes focuses on words, here, the form per se, where the more intelligent here focus on the substance of the issue.

      This guy never admits when he’s got his clock cleaned.

      Looks like Jadon is living rent free in Wes’s head because he made a reasonable argument while Wes uses MSM talking points.

      Expect Wes to start going all WESCON 5 thru 1 as we all gang up to expose the hypocrisy of his argument.

    457. Wes says:

      All right, Sheep. Maybe Ryan should have had a spine and censured those idiots.

      Maybe he’s regarded as a weak Speaker because he didn’t.

    458. jason says:

      Gosar could have been referred to the ethics committee. That is how these cases were handled for decades. It is reviewed, the committee makes a recommendation, etc.

      The 24 hour “censure circus” is a new low just like Trump’s 24 hour impeachment circus.

    459. jason says:

      Maybe Ryan should have had a spine and censured those idiots.”


    460. Tgca says:

      Here’s an example from today criticizing Dems that should have been stripped of their committee seats for much more egregious actions than a joke.

      Watch Lauren Boebart humiliate the Dems in their pursuit to

    461. Tina says:

      Tommy Pigott
      · 2h
      Biden: “I stand on the blue marker, huh?”

      GM Guide: “Yeah, the blue”

      Biden: “Gotta take orders”

      GM Guide: “You’re here…” *points*

      Biden: *blows right past it*

      GM Guide: “you’re…ok…ok” *everyone else moves up*

    462. Bitterlaw says:

      A solid Jason-Wes fight to carry us into the evening.

    463. jason says:

      Thi cartoon is not worthy of censure and at worst it should have been referred to the ethics committee for review.

      The rest is woke BS and circus.

    464. jason says:

      A solid Jason-Wes fight to carry us into the evening.”

      I get tired of MSM talking points.

    465. jason says:

      Bitter, they didn’t find the treasure last night but they found the neck of an old English wine bottle, which is very encouraging. They also found a piece of metal with a microscopic piece of gold alloy, also very encouraging. They found some Indian pottery shards with was discouraging because it shut down half the dig.

      I think next week they will find something.

    466. jason says:

      Looks like Jadon is living rent free in Wes’s head ”

      I should start charging both him and Amoral Scumbag.

    467. Tgca says:


      Youngkin shows he is naive and already succumbing to pressure.


      He just won an election basically because folks are tired of educators stepping over bounds with children and now he’s fine with vaccine and mask mandates in school for children as young as five? Really? He has no regard for the health and welfare of young children and is going to tow the line with liberals in VA over the objection of parents?

      This is not the way to start off your gubbernorship me thinks.

      Let’s see if he reverses himself or clarifies his intended authority over the next few days but a REALLY STOOPID thing to say.

    468. jason says:

      Bonchie at Redstate sums it up”

      “Look, I don’t care if you don’t like Gosar. He’s too nutty for my tastes and has made some very poor choices in who he associates with, but the point Boebert is making is a good one.

      We have a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee in Rep. Ilhan Omar who is credibly accused of marrying her brother while subsequently paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign funds to her former lover (now husband). In another instance, Rep. Rashida Tlaib defended terrorists firing rockets at children and repeated anti-Semitic claims of a false Jewish blood libel.

      And lest we forget, there is also a member of the Intelligence Committee in Rep. Eric Swalwell who slept with a Chinese spy named Fang Fang and lied about it, because as you know, things always manage to get more absurd. Yet, no one in leadership is doing anything to strip any of those bad actors of their committee assignments.

      But the House is using taxpayer money to try to punish Gosar over a freaking cartoon? This entire thing is asinine, and it’s exactly why no one likes Congress. It’s a body full of self-righteous hypocrites who carry one set of rules for themselves and another for their enemies.”

    469. mnw says:

      I think it’s obscene to let protesters stand on the top step of the courthouse, right in front of the main door, waving signs (reading “Rittenhouse is guilty, guilty, guilty!”) in the faces of anyone trying to enter or leave.

      At federal courthouses, I’m used to seeing protesters in RESERVED spaces set up for their use, and very near the courthouse, but from which they can not interfere or impede access. I have no problem with the signs themselves.

    470. Tgca says:


      I agree!

      I read today that protestors could be heard in the court. If that’s true, I wonder if the jurors can hear them as well because clearly that could be impactful to a jury decision if they feel intimidated, depending on how rowdy the protestors get.

      Free speech has to be balanced without interfering with a jury’s work.

      We would not allow a protest outside someone’s home 24 hours a day to the extent they can’t sleep so there has to be a balance here as well.

      I think a good balance might be snipers on the roof but that’s just me. Perhaps if these rioters…ummm…I mean protestors saw a red laser mark on their chest that might make a difference but I’ve always been more of the disciplinarian type so others may disagree.

    471. Tina says:
      · 39m
      JUST IN – Pentagon inspector general raises questions about former D.C. Guard commander’s Jan. 6 account. Gen. Walker was directed twice to send in troops. 3 weeks later, Pelosi appointed him House sergeant-at-arms (WaPo)

    472. Bitterlaw says:

      An old English wine bottle in a former English colony? Amazing discovery!

    473. NYCmike says:

      Protesters outside the courthouse shouting st-ff?

      Does anyone have video?

    474. Bitterlaw says:

      While we wait for the Rittenhouse verdict, who wants to discuss the Arbrey trial?

      I have not followed it in detail but it looks bad for the defendants. Following the guy they shot in their truck seems like a step too far to get acquitted but we shall see what the defense comes up with.

    475. NYCmike says:

      Haven’t seen much about it, Bitterlaw.

      The little I saw I don’t see why any people had to shoot that kid.

    476. Bitterlaw says:

      NYC – They claimed they thought he was a burglar in the neighborhood and chased him down in a truck to make a citizen’s arrest. One apparently testified today that he shot him in the chest when he tried to grab the shotgun pointed at him.

      I don’t think they should have chased him. Like I said, it does not look good but the defense is just getting started.

    477. lisab says:

      Whataboutism is a MSM talking point word.

      worse, it is one of robbie’s

    478. jason says:

      Pelosi Caught Without Mask at Swingers Bar in D.C. With Rep. Yvette Clarke”

      Tgca with the floor…

    479. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca will post:

      As an EXPERT on Swinger bars, I proclaim that Pelosi is a skank. I spent many years as a bartender serving Black Russian and White Russian to high-end clients so I know.

    480. DW says:

      Violence outside the Kenosha courthouse.

      We are in a civil war folks. One side wants to live like barnyard animals without any personal responsibility and yet still have all the blessing of civilized society, while the other side says if you want the blessings of a civilized society, you have to live responsibly.

    481. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Q has R+8 on the generic ballot. R+5 RVs.

      Biden at 36/53 approval.

      (H/T: Moshem at RRH)

    482. jason says:

      I have read a little on the Arbrey case. Here are my two cents:

      The jogger (black) had come out of a house under construction in a neighborhood that had had a string of burglaries. There is video of Arbrey entering this house before but no evidence he took anything with him. Two local residents (white) assumed he was a burglar and pursued him in a vehicle to make a citizen’s arrest. Another resident (white) followed them and filmed it.

      The arrest went badly, Arbrey refused to surrender and evidently went for one of the guns and got shot in the struggle.

      In Wisconsin, the prosecutor says you lose the right to self defense if you “instigate” the situation. If that is the law in GA then the prosecutor has a good case that the defendants were responsible for escalating the situation.

      The “vigilante” argument is weaker than in the Wisconsin case since the defendants were in their own neighborhood and were concerned with the high burglary rate.

      Again, I don’t see “intent to kill” in this case. The defendants made a bad decision to pursue the suspect and it got out of hand. The video is clear that they were trying to subdue the victim, they didn’t shoot him as he ran.

      I don’t know anything about GA law and how it applies to this case. I don’t think the defendants should walk away free but first degree murder does not seem appropriate either.

    483. jason says:

      The little I saw I don’t see why any people had to shoot that kid.”

      There is no kid involved here, so I believe NYC that he saw very little.

    484. jason says:

      I spent many years as a bartender serving Black Russian and White Russian to high-end clients so I know.”

      I think according to him he was serving White Russia and Black Russia.

    485. Phil says:

      I just read through that Quinnipiac Poll. I thought their last poll was brutal. This one is worse.

    486. Tgca says:

      Ok. Youngkin is showing his naïveté and arrogance that is bound to turn off voters who voted for him.

      Two major blunders from him this week.

      1st, he says that he will not interfere with schools requiring vaccines or masks for students as young as 5, which is the Dem desired position and which is a very hot topic of debate for GOP voters.

      2nd, now he says at the GOP Gubbernors Association yesterday that he has a winning message the GOP should follow and that they should not focus on the 2020 election concerns but move forward with the issues he focused on.

      This shows he has a tin ear and does not understand the GOP base. Had he said this before the VA election, he would be a blip in history because then he would have most definitely lost the VA election since those two comments turn off numerous Trump voters and he would also probably not have gotten Trump’s endorsement and support. In fact, Trump probably would have ridiculed him for such stoopid comments and embarrassed him during the election which the MSM would have run day and night in their support for TMac.

      He sounds like Rubio after he 1st went to DC and arrogantly thought he was the savior to the GOP to attract a new set of voters, the Latino community, and was making himself the new face of the GOP. We all saw how that arrogance turned out for Rubio.

      This guy is not even gubbernor yet and he’s telling all the GOP gubbernors what success looks like when his win was more luck than strategy due to the timing of the election with great anger over issues.

      Perhaps Wes and the likes will be calling him to be a potential VP candidate next to win back those suburban moms.

      He sounds like a RINO now by dismissing the concerns of like 70%+ of the GOP.

      This shows he is not ready for the big time and might want to actually wait until he gets in office and accomplishes something 1st before telling other gubbernors what to do so he doesn’t come across as out of touch with his own party or the new MSM useful idiot.

    487. jason says:

      I see Youngkin’s honeymoon at HHR lasted exactly one nanosecond.

      Tough place.

    488. Bitterlaw says:

      Youngkin’s refusal to imprison Democrat legislators before he takes office confirms his RINO status.

    489. jason says:

      I agree that Youngkin is making a big mistake by allowing discriminatory practices by local school boards and government.

      I also agree that Rs will lose more votes than gain if they pursue a “move on from 2020, let’s accept fraud as normal” strategy.

      Having said that, I looked at Youngkin’s comments at the Governor’s Association and he didn’t say that. He didn’t say his “model” was the only way forward, he said exactly the opposite, that people should pursue their own strategies.

      Also, the context was governor races. What Youngkin actually said

      “Asked whether that formula could be replicated in other states, Youngkin demurred on Wednesday.
      “I think that everyone’s going to have to decide their strategy for their state,” he said.”

      So I think calling Youngkin a RINO is way premature.

    490. Phil says:

      According to Quinnipiac, the Biden administration has more than just legal problems with their vaccination mandate. 52% now oppose it and it’s underwater by 12 pts with independents. I guess that explains why they suddenly announced OSHA would not be implementing it….otherwise they’d just ignore the Circuit Court ruling and do it anyway….which is their usual norm.

    491. Tgca says:


      …and well deserved too when you go against what concerns 70%+ of what the GOP base supports, and then you go on to lecture the GOP Gubbernors Association on a winning platform in a race won more by luck than strategy and you’ve not even taken office yet.

      Good luck winning support from these voters again if you insult their intelligence and side with the Dems as a useful idiot.

      Can’t wait until CNN or MSNBC invites him as a guest to talk about where the GOP focus should be,

    492. Tgca says:


      Let’s not kid ourselves what the message was Jadon. He’s positioning himself as the future of the GOP why these others are whining about the past. He’s bragging he knows how to win those voters so elusive to the GOP. That’s what his message was.

      He’s taking the exact same position as Christie and others who are gearing up for a 2024 run.

      …and discriminating against folks who don’t want their kids vaxed with an experimental vaccine with serious side effects and the highest level of death rates seen of any vaccine ever by following the Dems talking points is extremely concerning. He is out of step with the GOP here. Not a good way to start and you’re not even in office yet.

      Again. Had he said these before the election, it is doubtful he would have won.

      If kids die in VA from the vax, then he can explain to their parents why he stood by and did nothing.

      No child should have a vax forced on them, or be required to wear masks all day that contributes to a host of other medical issues because of politics.

      So twice in one week I’ve seen him betray the GOP base on significant issues to conservatives so until he proves otherwise, I’m throwing him into the RINO bucket, as that is his record to date.

    493. Bitterlaw says:


    494. jason says:

      Tgca, I think you are jumping the gun here, and making a lot of assumptions about Youngkin not justified by the facts.

    495. Tgca says:


      Coming from HHR’s woke messenger who wants to run for Congress as Nancy’s favorite Republican on an absurdly ridiculous suicide prevention platform that will get him all of 3 votes and reveres Philly as the ideal place to live is not someone I would consider as having good political instinct for the GOP but hey…it’s a free country while it lasts so feel free to spew the Dems talking points.

    496. jason says:

      Tgca, I already said his decision to allow local school boards and governments the “freedom” to be fascists is naive and wrong.

      But I am not going to agree with his every decision and that does not make him a RINO.

      Let’s not litmus test the guy before he is even in office.

    497. Tgca says:



      My point is that I’ve seen him taken a position on only two issues thus far after winning the election and both those are part of the Dems and RINOS talking points and EXTREMELY disappointing.

      Maybe he’ll surprise me and come around but these were clearly significant stoopid things to say after conservatives and Trump voters elected him, and I would bet other conservatives might feel the same way if they’re seeing his messaging now.

      Now he lost me and has to convince me he really cares about the GOP issues before I further support him because now I’m thinking his campaign was all talking points to get elected and not what he believes ideologically.

      If this will be his messaging, then he will be competing with Noem as the gubbernor trying to position themselves above all other GOP gubbernors.

    498. Tgca says:


      I did not say we have to agree with his or any politician’s every decision but he has chosen two positions that are akin to the Holy Grail for the vast majority of the GOP base right now and he appears to have gone against the grain on both of these issues.

      Either he’s naive and clueless or it’s his ideological beliefs. Either way, neither is comforting to me at the onset of his administration.

      Protecting people from fascist discriminating rules and ensuring voters concerns about election integrity are addressed should not be so cavalierly dismissed which is what his messaging is to me.

    499. Tgca says:

      This can’t be serious.

      FDA will wait until 2076 to release Pfizer Vaccine data…

      This must be a mistake. What are they hiding that they don’t want people to see?

      Dribble out data for 55 years? Unbelievable!

    500. jason says:

      Too much putting the cart before the horse in my view.

      But your views do illustrate what I think is the risk Rs take in trying to “move on” from 2020.

      Just like Youngkin “lost you” the Rs will lose millions of votes if they try to paper over 2020, not to mention the results will continue to marred by fraud.

      Still, I don’t think any of this makes Youngkin a RINO, that is just silly over the top rhetoric.

    501. Tgca says:

      Whistleblower Releases Video of Delaware County Pennsylvania Election Officials Destroying Evidence and Ballots in Backroom (VIDEO)

      If this is indeed true, this is very concerning. I’m amazed when the one guy tells the others it’s a felony.

      This all despite the fact that no such whistleblowers have come forth in North Carolina regarding voter fraud, where it is a well known fact that if they don’t find election fraud in NC, then it just doesn’t occur anywhere else in the US either.

    502. Tina says:

      Yiikes, we suck in leadership. But in all fairness, McCarthy was not speaker, it was Paolo Ryano.

      Julie Kelly ??
      · 14h
      When GOP controlled Congress during Trump’s first term, Adam Schiff and others lied REPEATEDLY in Congressional hearings and official documents about Russia collusion.

      House Ethics committee opened an investigation…into Devin Nunes.

      GOP has no clue how to play ball

    503. Tgca says:


      You can disagree with my characterization of Youngkin at this point and that is fair but I ask you this:

      If Youngkin had made these statements during his campaign, do you think Trump, many of his supporters, and conservatives in general would have still enthusiastically supported him to generate his win over Tmac?

      He had a 63K vote win out of 3.3M votes.

      I would bet he would have lost a few hundred thousand votes by conservatives had he made those statements prior to election day because those are two enormous issues for the GOP.

    504. jason says:

      Except that I don’t give the same interpretation you do to “what he said”.

    505. jason says:

      But i will answer your question:

      1. I don’t think saying he would give local school boards and governments some decision power on vaccine mandates would have cost him the election. Probably a wash as far as how many votes gained or lost. Remember, even some “conservatives” agree you have should have the right to be a fascist.

      2. I think if he had said move on from 2020 he would have lost big time, but I don’t agree that is what he is saying, that was not the context of his comments at the Governors Meeting.

    506. Gordon Allen says:

      DeSantis signing new anti vax mandate bills in BRANDON Florida. seriously trolling Biden

    507. jason says:

      Whistleblower Releases Video of Delaware County Pennsylvania Election Officials Destroying Evidence and Ballots in Backroom”

      Bitter will say it is normal in 3, 2, 1….

    508. jason says:

      FDA will wait until 2076 to release Pfizer Vaccine data…”

      Walt will be able to read it, lucky bastard.

    509. Tgca says:

      Well, I usually don’t brag about shopping at the most expensive places but today I went to the gas station station and really splurged.

      Thanks Joe Biden!

    510. jason says:

      Tgca can afford gas?

      Sniff…. those beach house FL Republicans sure know how to live.

    511. Tina says:

      Tim Pool
      Judge now explaining that last evening a person calling himself “James Jim Morrison” claimed he was with MSNBC

      Police says the man claims he was instructed to follow the jury bus

      No one from MSNBC is allowed inside now during the trial says the judge

    512. JeffP says:

      519…Just read the article on Epoch app…this trial is a complete joke…should have never happened.

    513. JeffP says:

      Just read the article on Epoch app…this trial is a complete joke…should have never happened.

    514. Bitterlaw says:

      515 Zzzzzzzzzzzz. That is not normal. I did not and would not say it is normal. Jason knows that but just can’t stop lying about me.

    515. jason says:

      Ma, that Delco fraud bait is good, landed one really quickly.

    516. Tgca says:

      Agree with judge this is a very serious matter by the press.

      I wonder if this provides the defense further reason to appeal any decisions they didn’t like or to seek a mistrial because of potential jury intimidation.

      Did the jurors notice this? If it’s reported in the news, doc tje jury become aware of it from other sources, including family?

      Judge In Rittenhouse Case Announcing That MSNBC Will No Longer Be Allowed Inside The Courtroom After One Of Their Employees Allegedly Followed The Jury Bus

      “The matter is under further investigation.”

      “This is a very serious matter.”

    517. Tgca says:

      Kenosha police stated the following:

      Last night a person who is alleging to be affiliated with a national media outlet was briefly taken into custody and issued several traffic related citations. Police suspect this person was trying to photograph jurors. This incident is being investigated much further.

      Supposedly, he ran a red light to keep up with the bus.

      Now why would a reporter want to get photos of jurors? Were they planning to dox them and put their lives at risk?

      This is outrageous behavior by a major network and the responsible parties should be fired if indeed they were trying to get photos.

      The court should consider criminal remedies too, if any exist.

      A complete article with more info about him and MSNBC follows.

    518. Gordon Allen says:

      BTW.At Brandon Honda at Brandon Florida. Just in case anyone missed one.

    519. Tina says:

      Mslsd tried to do follow and identify the jurors.

      They got busted.

      Banned and a criminal investigation.

    520. Phil says:

      I would hate to think that if myself or any of my family members were on trial that the jury deciding my fate was being subjected to this kind of harassment and intimidation.

      I thought everyone in this country was entitled to a fair trial?

      This is a fair trial?

    521. Tina says:

      Jonathan Turley
      The seriousness of this incident cannot be overstated. It is not simply because the police suspected MSNBC was trying to take their pictures. If the jurors believed that they were being followed, it could add to their unease about voting in the case.

    522. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      These results from a poll with a strong Democratic basis.

      Biden Job Approval

      Among Adults (1,378):
      Approve 36%
      Disapprove 53%

      Among RV (1,262):
      Approve 38%
      Disapprove 53%

      @QuinnipiacPoll, 11/11-15

    523. Bitterlaw says:

      This is why you need more Bitterlaws on the jury. If a reporter followed me to try to not intimidate me, I would vote Not Guilty even if the defendant confessed, begged to be convicted, and was on video doing 10 other crimes he was not charged with.

    524. Bitterlaw says:

      The problem with a mistrial with prejudice is that he won’t be tried again but will always be harassed and accused of murder. He will have a difficult life ahead. Not guilty would be better but the harassment and accusations will still follow him.

    525. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      2022 Generic Congressional Ballot Poll:

      Republicans 46% (+5)
      Democrats 41%

      ~ 1,262 RV ~ 11/11-11/15

    526. Bitterlaw says:

      44 Questions to handcuff a suspect? At least they are not essay questions or arrests could take hours.

    527. Tgca says:


      So Bitter tells us he would vote not guilty for all BLM and Antifa rioters arrested and charged with burning down cities, cop cars, and police stations.

      Got it!

    528. Bitterlaw says:

      Zzzzzzzzzzzz. Not what I said at all. No reporters would try to intimidate me to vote to convict BLM or Antifa members. But you knew that.

      You really should sue the Newark school system for malpractice.

    529. Tgca says:

      I was a juror once in San Francisco. I would be very upset if a reporter followed me home …unless the reporter was really attractive and took me out to dinner…then I’d be fine with it.

      I went on a few dates with a reporter once and would occasionally see him in TV coverage years after. Wonder what ever happened to him. Hmmm…

    530. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgclown should stick to Dem talking points – Romney is a racist and we all have white privilege.

    531. Tgca says:


      Reporters from The Federalist might …

      …but they’d probably be more interested in doing a story on why you’re putting your life on the line carrying 30 cans of woke Coke in your briefcase, 9 blocks through dangerous Philly neighborhoods every day, as well as why you stand hand over heart streaming tears when the Black National Anthem is played during woke sporting events.

    532. Bitterlaw says:

      You were not always a douche. What happened, Tgclown? We used to discuss ABORTION.

    533. Tgca says:


      Baby steps.

      Bitter finally admitting why he has so much white guilt and has to prove to his neighbors why he is so woke.

      He really would make a good Pelosi Republican.

      At least he’s a caring guy…I give him that…except for those rural conservatives he mocks that he detests because they don’t like filthy corrupt cities like Philly or support sexual predators like Senator Menendez.

    534. jason says:

      I dont think Rittenhouse would be harassed if case dismissed anymore then if found not guilty. The mom will lose interest in him as soon as no longer useful.

    535. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgclown is just sad. HE is the one who said Romney is a racist and everybody but him at HHR has white privilege. Those are Dem talking points that he repeats.

      I know Romney is not a racist and white privilege is a false accusation.

    536. Tgca says:


      All these years at HHR have hardened my heart and made me …well…bitter is the word I guess after dealing with all you hateful racist bigots!

      …and now I also have to deal with minority fascists as well who want to starve me and keep me from going to vegan restaurants unless I show my vax papers.

      What’s next?

      How much can a loving, sweet, kind, caring, compassionate, intelligent, handsome, hot, hung, humble guy take before he breaks?

    537. Tgca says:


      I think his mom already lost interest because she was evidently letting a 17 year-old do as he pleases. That’s just how it is in with whites trash folk.

      Hey, I can’t complain because I was in that same position. I would stay away days at a time when I was a yoot and even left home and rented a room at 16 next to where I worked.

    538. Tgca says:


      You have to see this violent beating former NY Jets Zac Stacy lays down on his ex in front of their baby who is crying in the background as their cat is running in fear.

      He could’ve killed her as he throws her around against walls and through furniture like she a rag doll with a TV tipping over on her.

      If he doesn’t get at least 5 years of prison for this then justice is gone.

      I think it’s funny some are tweeting not to share this video. No! People need to see how violent these sportsman can be.

      My guess if there was no video, there would people out there defending him.

    539. DW says:

      546–the Rittenhouse prosecutor would call him a hero.

    540. mnw says:

      Ritt’s former atty John Pierce has an interesting 4 minute+ interview at FOX. The interview occurred earlier today.

      He seems VERY confident there won’t be any convictions… which doesn’t mean he might not be wrong, obviously, but I’m convinced he sincerely believes that.

      He also said he thinks the court WILL grant the defense motion for a mistrial, unless there are NG verdicts on all charges. Again, he’s sincere, imo.

      I was pretty impressed with him overall. I would be curious to know how & why he ended up off the defense trial team.

    541. Tgca says:

      Bigoted bishes complaining because their punishment by ASU was to write a statement how they would be more polite in the future after verbally attacking two white guys on campus and videotaping and posting it on social media.

      Now they’re complaining about all the hate mail and threats they get after their own video went viral and showed them to be the racist vile scum they appeared to be.

      What did you expect? You brought it on yourself so stop complaining. You’re fortunate you were not suspended because that is probably what would have happened if two white students confronted two minorities with intimidation like they did under the same circumstances.

      Students Who Perpetuated Racist Incident At Arizona State University’s Multicultural Center Complain Of Consequences

    542. DW says:

      From Fox News:

      NBC News said Thursday that a freelancer “never intended to contact” the Rittenhouse jurors, but did not deny that he may have been following the jury van on Wednesday evening.

      “Last night, a freelancer received a traffic citation. While the traffic violation took place near the jury van, the freelancer never contacted or intended to contact the jurors during deliberations, and never photographed or intended to photograph them. We regret the incident and will fully cooperate with the authorities on any investigation,” an NBC spokesperson told Fox News Digital.

      Baloney. You know that if a juror had opened a bus window and stuck her head out that journalist would have snapped as many pictures as possible.

      This is a circus.

    543. Tina says:

      Washington Free Beacon
      · 21h
      Sources close to Kamala Harris claim that her plummeting popularity is due to racial discrimination from Biden and his office.

      The sources have said the Biden administration only defends white men.

      Via @SaysSimonson

    544. Tgca says:

      Do not confirm this skanky commie thief to lead the OCC.

      She shoplifted at TJMaxx in 1995 while in her late 20s on a guest visa in the US. She stole over $300 worth of clothing which is quite a bit at TJ’s and was lucky to have the case dismissed under their 1st time misdemeanor laws.

    545. DW says:

      551 – You should have prefaced that post by telling readers to first play mournful sounding solo-cello music in the background to add the right ambiance before reading the story.

    546. DW says:

      The rogue juror theory starting to sound more logical by the day…one idiot who would rather have an America where no one is allowed to defend oneself from an attacker. I bet the other jurors have some choice things to say about this person who is wasting days of their lives they will never get back.

      Rittenhouse jury going home for the evening after third day of deliberations

      The jury in the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse left the courthouse around 4:10 p.m. CT on Thursday after the third day of deliberations.

      “You’ve certainly put in a full day and have asked to retire for the evening, which is fine,” Judge Bruce Schroeder told the jury.

      The seven women and five men have spent roughly 23 1/2 hours deliberating over the past three days, including lunch breaks.

      The jury requested copies of the 36-page jury on Tuesday and entered the courtroom to briefly rewatch videos from the trial on Wednesday.

      They’ll report back to the courthouse at 9:00 a.m. on Friday.

    547. Gordon Allen says:

      Shouldn’t take 4 days of deliberations for the jury on this evidence. Initially discounted by me,one or more rogue jurors certainly is looking a real possibility.
      Including the jury foreman?? Speculation by Robert Barnes

    548. Jeff G. says:

      Somehow the CBO concluded the spending blowout will save $800B over 10 years. What a crock of sh–t.

    549. DW says:

      When I was on a jury for a case involving a defendant charges with two counts of armed bank robbery, I was not the foreman, and the initial straw vote got only three guilty votes, including mine. The evidence was pretty compelling, especially since two different bank tellers identified the defendant in a photo police lineup.

      But after 2 days of deliberation, roughly 8 hours, we finally got everyone on board for the guilty verdict and put the guy away.

      I can say for sure that if the Rittenhouse case had the jury I was in, it would have taken about 10 minutes to get to not-guilty on all charges.

    550. DW says:

      I suppose the other way to look at, is that there are some strong not-guilty jurors in there who are unwilling to give up and let this go to being a hung jury.

    551. Tgca says:


      So you’re saying you told everyone you’re a Bad Ass and threatened to f*ck people up if they didn’t convict and they saw your viewpoint then.

    552. DW says:

      559 – not was a slow process…but had to help them understand the context and which pieces of evidence was important.

      One lady complained that she couldn’t find anyone guilty unless the alleged crime was caught on video.

      I explained to her that video technology was only developed in the early 20th century, and only spread to more common usage within the last 40 years. So I asked her how anyone could be found guilty for all the centuries before this technology, and she said “Oh—yeah!” And she jumped on board for guilty.

    553. Dylan says:

      so the CBO which was supposed to score this thing as a boondoggle per conventional wisdom, actually scored it as a cost saving measure? The Republic is lost. . . . .poor Benjamin Franklin lies moulderin’ in the grave.

    554. mnw says:

      New FOX News poll today:

      It’s an RVs poll. Biden is net -10%, 44/54. That’s a couple of points worse than last month.

      Harris is net -13.

      The one disturbing part is that those polled think govt needs to do more, not less, which continues a longstanding trend.

      FOX News polls have not been very GOP-friendly, going by memory..

    555. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #561- DW
      Dead wrong ,but it will not stop the Democrats from bringing the legislation for a vote tonight.

      “The CBO estimate of the Build Back Better Act finds “that enacting this legislation would result in a net increase in the deficit totaling $367 billion over the 2022-2031 period, not counting any additional revenue that may be generated by additional funding for tax enforcement.”

      The White House had previously estimated that enhanced IRS enforcement would generate $400 billion over the same time period.”

    556. Jeff G. says:

      563, Thanks for the update. I was working off an early report.

    557. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #564- Jeff G.
      No problem. Can you believe that the House Rules Committee has voted to bring the legislation to the floor tonight for only one hour of debate and then an up or down vote?

    558. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      So Juror #54 in the Rittenhouse Trial wants to see everything favorable to the prosecution surrounding the few seconds after Rittenhouse dropped the fire extinguisher.
      Her questions track precisely with this Daily Kos article. What a coincidence!

    559. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      If this NewsMax reporting is accurate, the best the Rittenhouse attorneys see is a hung jury.

      “WATCH: A Newsmax source reports that they overheard Kyle Rittenhouse’s attorney saying that he believed the jury is at a 6-6 split.”

    560. DW says:

      No one knows how the jury is split Ithe numbers. But it’s a sorry state we are in if this is guilty or hung jury

    561. Gordon Allen says:

      #567- if that’s true they did a poor job of jury selection. They have no idea, and are just guessing.

    562. Bitterlaw says:

      I heard some cross-examination of one of the defendants in the Arbery case. He admitted that Arbery did not have a weapon and never made a threatening movement. Not exactly building a case for self-defense. I did not hear other defense testimony. Defense counsel may just be trying to avoid first degree murder convictions at this point.

    563. Tina says:

      A Newsmax source reports that they overheard Kyle Rittenhouse’s attorney saying that he believed the jury is at a 6-6 split.
      reports from the courthouse in Kenosha.

    564. Tina says:

      So China Biden lied. Big Bloaty Backwards costs $364 billion (lol)

    565. mnw says:


      RE: Newsmax:

      I can’t imagine how Ritt’s attys have any way to know how the jury is split. That would have to be a guess based on observing body language.

    566. Tina says:

      Marjorie Taylor Greene Flag of United States
      · 2h
      Democrats are on the verge of passing the most radically transformative bill in American history, the BBB bill.

      It’s the Green New Deal & it serves China.

      Sen McConnell made it all possible by leading 19 R Senators & 13 R House members to pass phase 1, the Infrastructure bill.

    567. Bitterlaw says:

      mnw – Tina gets her news and opinions from Twitter.

    568. jason says:

      …the Dems did not need McConnell to pass the bill..Greene know that..if she doesn’t she is a moron

    569. Tgca says:

      So now the DOJ is intervening in the Trump vs Twitter lawsuit on Twitter’s side to protect Section 230 even though Congress, both sides of the aisle, have been grappling with addressing this and what to do about the immense power these companies have acquired.

      Really? Unbelievable.

    570. mnw says:

      In terms of persuading Manchin (& maybe Sinema) to gut the second pos, letting the first pos go through MAY have been wise. We’ll see.


      Twitter gets stuff right sometimes, so Tina is right to report it, imo. But I look at the stuff about how R’s attys see the jury split is probably an instance of poor information filling a complete vacuum.

    571. Tina says:

      Mnw, agreed, his thoughts are guesses.

      IMO, not worth posting..

      The attorneys should shut up and not offer guesses.

    572. mnw says:


      Lawyers in court always take guesses based on watching the jury… which I didn’t get to do, & why I HAVE no guess.

      I had a jury once where the lone female AA juror made goo-goo eyes at the AA female def throughout the trial– while the other 11 sat with their arms crossed. That one hung.

      I’d be curious to know if the juror referenced in 566 above is the lone AA juror on the Ritt jury.

    573. Tgca says:

      This is like the 4th article I’ve seen in the last 24 hours reporting conservatives disappointed with Youngkin on his stoopid position to allow schools and counties to mandate vaccines to children and take away rights from parents to make medical decisions for their children on an experimental vaccine that has been shown to be dangerous to certain kids, including causing deaths in an unexpected manner.

      This is not the position he took during debates. One article, I think from The Federalist, stated how he side-stepped this during the debates and talked about Biden’s mandates being wrong implying he was against them but now he’s not willing to stand up for the right of parents in VA on this educational and health issue.

      His comment below shows him to be a BS artist that evidently deceived the conservative voters on this issue.

      If he can leave these discriminating and fascist decisions up to schools and counties, then why not other serious decisions regarding basic civil and parental rights too?

      I’m sorry but decisions regarding parental rights over the health decisions should not vary community to community within a state any more than civil rights should vary from community to community within a state.

      This shows me he lacks backbone going into office and I would not trust him. He’s taking the same position on these educational and health issues that Tmac did.

      What a shame conservatives backed him. He betrayed them on the educational health issues.

      Real scum!

      I do hope Trump uses his influence with his supporters to call BS on Youngkin and put him on the defensive to pressure him to keeping his word even if it hurts Youngkin politically.

      ” Localities are going to have to make decisions the way the law works and that is going to be up to individual decisions but, again, from the governor’s office, you won’t see mandates from me,” Youngkin said,

    574. Tina says:

      Mnw, meant the “guesses” should not be made in ear shot of press or others.

      Ok, internally.

    575. Tgca says:

      Now the judge is letting jurors take home jury instructions in a very high profile case? For what? Why does a juror need to take home these instructions? Does it include their notes too? They should be working together as a complete jury and not individually on their own time to apply the instructions.

      The defense brought up a reasonable concern after the judge’s decision that a juror could be trying to do their own research and trying to define terms in the instructions relying on outside information to support their conclusion rather than court guidance.

      I’m wondering if the judge is purposely trying to give the defense reasons to appeal or further substantiate a mistrial.

      This is crazy behavior in such a high profile case where there is an appearance of intimidation for a guilty plea.

    576. Bitterlaw says:

      In PA, jururs can take notes but they can’t take them home.

    577. jason says:

      He’s taking the same position on these educational and health issues that Tmac did.”


    578. jason says:

      What a shame conservatives backed him.”


      Well, they could have had McAuliffe then.

    579. Tgca says:


      I’m not saying conservative voters are better off with Tmac. I’m saying he misled them and now appears not so interested in these educational issues as he was during the campaign.

      The fact that a number of conservative sites are running stories on this is a very valid point on this issue whether you like it or not.

      He’s also dismissing the 2020 election issues is concerning.

      I hope Trump goes after him on this because Trump is the one who could knock some sense into him because if Trump voters abandon him then he’s toast.

    580. jason says:

      I think your attacks on Youngkin are unjustified, gratuitous and exaggerated.

      I don’t think he misled anybody and let’s see how he governs before unleashing all these silly diatribes.

    581. jason says:

      In PA, jururs”

      A deplorable could not have said it better.

    582. jason says:

      The fact that a number of conservative sites are running stories on this”


      They already want to litmus test Youngkin before he even takes office?

      Will the last “true conservative” turn off the lights?

    583. NYCmike says:

      So let me get this straight – Youngkin is saying that he will not mandate anyone do anything in regard to vaccinations/masks/etc, but that is bad……WHY?

      Again, as far back as I can recall, most conservatives sought local control on issues, and in this case meaning it is up to local school boards and communities to determine their own rules, because then those same communities have the chance to vote those people out if they don’t agree.

      What am I missing?

      I understand what DeSantis did in Florida, but this is Virginia, a state which voted for Biden in 2020. It obviously likes some sort of government control. At this time, I see no reason to say Youngkin has done anything wrong.

    584. jason says:

      Oh, I think he is very wrong.

      There is nothing “conservative” about allowing school boards and local governments to impose fascist mandates. He should have followed DeSantis’ lead and done the right thing. No fascist discrimination ANYWHERE.

      But I am consistent that I oppose these 100% litmus tests.

      I am not going to agree with everything Youngkin does and I think it is asinine to start calling him a RINO.

    585. Tgca says:


      F*ck off you fascist POS! This is a discussion between me and my ally Jadon.

      You have absolutely no credibility on this with your discriminating Nazi beliefs that Americans need to carry medical passports to eat dinner.

      Go back to deepthroating Schumer dirtbag!

    586. Tgca says:


      As I said before, you don’t need to agree 100% or have litmus tests but these two issues are enormous for conservative voters and he should have made his positions on them clear before the VA election.

      My guess is had he done that, he would have lost a few hundred thousand conservative votes and Trump would not have endorsed him, and he would not have won the VA election.

      I feel this is a betrayal of what he campaigned on.

      For that, I believe he is scum and he will have a long way to go to make up for that and I believe many other conservatives will feel the same way after this betrayal sinks in with them.

      I want to see him tell Trump that they need to look beyond 2020 and build a coalition of voters based on Dem lite voters.

      Trump will crucify him publicly and pull his supporters.

      It was a stoopid move for him to go public with this but I guess he’s tooting his own horn on why he won but it’s actually because he deceived conservatives on these two major issues.

    587. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Real Clear Politics average of polls of Biden’s job approval:
      Approve: 41.3%
      Disapprove 53.5% (-12.2%)

    588. Tgca says:

      If this forced experimental vaccine on kids turns out badly, then politicians will be to blame for not protecting them when we already know there are a statistically abnormal unexplained instances of these vaccines harming teens, especially males where a number have died and many have had serious heart conditions they must now live with.

      We have no idea the impact on younger kids because it has not been studied.

      At least one country has banned their use on younger people because of the data coming from studies showing the unexplained risks outweigh the benefits.

      The US is behind in the science because of politics.

    589. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      There was some thought earlier in the year that the liberal media would keep Biden’s favorability above 50%. Now it appears the media cannot keep its own favorability above 50%.

      @bdomenech The ability of the established order to control The Narrative hasn’t even fully collapsed yet. Not even close. And already, they’re losing their minds.

      @Rasmussen_Poll It’s close @bdomenech And it will be glorious.

      “Do you trust the political news you are getting?”
      53% now say NO – (a majority of voters) –
      NO – DEM: Now 32% – Was 26% or +6%
      NO – Unafil: Now 62% – Was 48% or +14%
      NO- GOP: Now 69% – Was 58% or +11%
      NO – All Voters: 53% – Was 43% or +10%

    590. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Is there an English translation for @GOPLeader McCarthy Floor speech?

      I know you prefer the Chinese translation

    591. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      NBC News statement: “Last night, a freelancer received a traffic citation. While the traffic violation took place near the jury van, the freelancer never contacted or intended to contact the jurors during deliberations, and never photographed or intended to photograph them”

    592. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      So Fauci is now acknowledging the major rise in hospitalization among the vaccinated, and that the vaccines become ineffective over time. But never fear says Fauci, as boosters are about to be approved. I have said it a long time, and will repeat it — Fauci longevity in his position is because he is a tool of the pharmaceutical industry. I won’t trust anything he says without independent verification.

      “The nation’s top infectious disease expert says that COVID-19 hospitalizations are rising among people fully vaccinated who have not had booster shots.
      Dr Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said waning immunity from the initial shots is leading to a rise in severe cases among immunized Americans.
      ‘What we’re starting to see now is an uptick in hospitalizations among people who’ve been vaccinated but not boosted,’ he told NBC News in an interview on Tuesday.
      ‘It’s a significant proportion, but not the majority by any means.’
      It comes as the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) reviews applications from both Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna for emergency use authorization of their booster shots, and could grant them as soon as this week.”

    593. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Biden Job Approval:
      Approve 49%
      Disapprove 51% .
      @MULawPoll, 1,004 Adults, 11/1-10

      Here is how this “poll” was done.

      “The survey was conducted Nov. 1-10, 2021, interviewing 1,004 adults nationwide, with a margin of error of +/-3.9 percentage points. Interviews were conducted using the SSRS Opinion Panel.”

      “SSRS Opinion Panel members are recruited randomly based on nationally representative ABS (Address Based Sample) design (including Hawaii and Alaska). Additionally, we recruit hard-to-reach demographic groups via our Omnibus survey platform. The SSRS Omnibus survey is a nationally representative (including Hawaii and Alaska) bilingual telephone survey designed to meet standards of quality associated with custom research studies. The SSRS Omnibus completes more than 50,000 surveys annually with 70% cell allocation.”

      “To correct for known biases due to sampling and non-response, SSRS Opinion Panel data are weighted. The weighting process takes into account disproportionate probabilities of selection across and within households in the SSRS Omnibus (base weight). Following applications of the base weight, survey data are weighted to account for systematic nonresponse along known parameters such as age, race, gender, region, and education. Since we have detailed demographics of those who choose to not participate in the panel, SSRS has developed a weighting solution that adjusts estimates to correct for panel nonresponse, a feature unique to the SSRS Opinion Panel.”

      “In addition, for studies involving completion of surveys via a singular web mode, SSRS’s Advanced Methods team has developed a model-based weighting solution that predicts non-internet use*. This calibration model serves as a propensity weight applied to online households so that they are more projectable to the overall U.S. adult population. This weight is only applied for studies that exclude non-internet households but the study population is all U.S. adults.”

    594. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Once again, please tell me why we vote for Republicans:

      “Democrats are privately reaching out to Republicans to cinch a separate, bipartisan deal for paid family leave after Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) crushed hopes of including it in President Biden’s $1.75 trillion social spending plan.

      Why it matters: The end-around is part of a broader effort to provide paid time off from work to care for others, regardless of the method. Some Republicans sound amenable, depending on the timing.”

      From Axios

    595. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Part II- please tell me why we vote for Republicans:

    596. Gordon Allen says:

      Where oh where have all those Democrat ” moderates” gone? Hint: there aren’t any.
      But some say we should still try for” bi partisan ” solutions by trying to work with them!!
      Hope no one believes that any more.

    597. DW says:

      The NBC news exec who gave the order to freelancer to follow the jury bus has scrubbed her social media accounts.

      Linked In, Twitter, both gone.

    598. DW says:

      Are we headed to an America where every jury trial ends up with a hung jury unless ALL the members of the jury are either Democrats or Republicans?

    599. Wes says:

      I’m no fan of Mike Lee, but when I see a Republican about to cash in as the next Joe Scarborough endorse Democrat-in-all-but-name Evan McMullin over him, I’m glad IL Democrats redistricted this clown out of his seat:

      I’ll be in incredibly thrilled when Kinzinger and Cheney are gone from Congress in 13+ months.

    600. jason says:


      “In the suit, Mitchell claimed, “Alec Baldwin intentionally, without just cause or excuse, cocked and fired and loaded gun even though the upcoming scene to be filmed did not call for the cocking and firing of a firearm.”

    601. jason says:

      jason pats himself in the back for repeatedly posting comments when all this broke out that it was important to know what was in the script.

      Because if the script did not call for him to point a gun and pull the trigger at the camera, then he was fooling around and should be charged.

    602. DW says:

      jason, were the people who Baldwin killed and injured attacking him when he fired, like in the incident with Rittenhouse?

    603. DW says:

      But its a first rule of firearms safety, never point a gun at someone unless you need to use it in self-defense. Always presume the gun is loaded with live ammo. That was a common gag in The Three Stooges, whenever Curly got ahold of a gun, even in a courtroom…turns out it was ALWAYS loaded.

    604. jason says:

      Technically yes, the woman was white, i.e. could have been a white supremacist, and was pointing a threatening object at him. Somebody yelled “action” which he interpreted as “fire”. Clearly he shot in self defense.

    605. jason says:

      “In the suit, Mitchell claimed, “Alec Baldwin intentionally, without just cause or excuse, cocked and fired and loaded gun even though the upcoming scene to be filmed did not call for the cocking and firing of a firearm.”

      So if true can the fine legal minds here like Bitter, mnw, Meldrim and Tgca tell us what Baldwin could be charged with?

      Manslaughter, negligent homicide, reckless endangerment or something else?

    606. jason says:

      “Rep. Kevin McCarthy broke a record for the longest speech in the US House of Representatives, surpassing eight hours of continuous floor time early Friday morning.

      The House minority leader began his rambling address at 8:38 p.m. ET on Thursday, hoping to obstruct Democrats’ attempts to advance a huge social-spending package championed by President Joe Biden.

      McCarthy ended his speech at 5:11 a.m. Friday — eight hours and 33 minutes later.

      He beat a record set by Nancy Pelosi, then minority leader, who spoke for eight hours and seven minutes in February 2018 on immigration policy.

      McCarthy was allowed to speak so long by using the so-called magic-minute rule, which grants party leaders unlimited speaking time in certain situations. Unlike the Senate, the House has no filibuster.”

    607. jason says:

      Bitter hardest hit:

      “New poll: massive chasm between credentialed laptop class and working-class.

      On the Economy, Biden has a 1% surplus approval from white college grads, and a stunning -54% deficit among working-class.

      Biden is great for credentialed ruling class, awful for everyday citizens.”

    608. Bitterlaw says:

      Working class people actually can and do use computers.

      Jason hardest hit.

    609. Tgca says:


      In my EXPERT opinion Baldwin is guilty and should get the death penalty and his wife Hilaria should be deported to Spain even though she was born and raised in the US and has no Spanish ancestry and she speaks with a Spanish accent and she couldn ‘t remember the English word “cucumber” in a TV appearance.

    610. Bitterlaw says:

      While we are focused on trials, I recommend John Grisham’s novel A Time To Kill. The movie was ok.

    611. Tina says:

      Yeah mccarthy talked a lot

      Piglosi just rammed that bill down.

      Look for the Senate Rinos to accommodate

    612. Tina says:

      No,discussion of this by the R leadership.

      Grover Norquist
      Highest income tax rate in developed world
      Highest capital gains tax since 1970s
      87k IRS agents
      $2.5 billion tax handout for trial lawyers
      $8 billion home heating tax $
      1.6 billion tax handout for media
      Violates Biden tax pledge

    613. Tina says:

      This is shaping up,well.

      Pedro L. Gonzalez
      · 7h
      Youngkin got elected on culture war issues about race and sex

      So, Youngkin chose a guy with pronouns in his bio to do his comms who also served on the Georgetown Latinx Leadership Forum and supports virtually everything Youngkin’s voters voted against

      This is peak GOP
      Show this thread

    614. Tina says:

      A bit strong, but true.

      Darren J. Beattie Globe with meridians
      · 21h
      South Carolina republican party really does produce the worst trash imaginable

      It’s quite an accomplishment

    615. Tgca says:

      Bernie Sanders says:

      Elderly people are walking the streets with no teeth in their mouths, not to mention the needs of climate. But when it comes to working families, oh my God, we can’t afford it. When it comes to tax breaks for people on top or military spending, no problem.”

    616. Tgca says:

      This should swell up the chest of our HHR fascists with pride and bring smiles to their face as the they stamp their foot and salute Heil Covid!

      Austria will impose a lockdown for all and make vaccinations mandatory, Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg announces. This makes it the first country in the EU to take such stringent measures as coronavirus cases spiral.

    617. mnw says:

      Andrew McCarthy has a worthwhile 6+ minute interview on FOX.

      He makes 2 points I’ve posted about here before:

      1) The jury should’ve been sequestered, which always seemed like a no-brainer.

      2) There’s no reason to allow demonstrators on the front step of the courthouse, any more than there is to permit them to chant right outside the courtroom doors themselves. (He used to be a DUSM, as well as an AUSA).

      He also doesn’t like live broadcast of trials, & harkened back to OJ Simpson as support for his position, i.e., that cameras cause grandstanding.

      McCarthy suspects a hung jury is more likely with each passing hour now, fwiw.

    618. DW says:

      At some point, these jurors are going to start losing it. Is there a predict-it page for taking bets on the chances the police will have to break up a brawl inside the jury room?

      I mean these jury rooms are small, there is nothing on the walls–no pictures, an extremely boring room and of course they have no cell phones, no access to the internet, email, etc.

      In the information age when people are addicted to their phones, it has to start getting to them. Someone’s going to crack.

    619. Tina says:

      Mnw, those are wonderful points.

    620. jason says:

      Pedro Gonzalez is a far leftist moron but he successfully trolled Tina.

    621. DW says:

      Latest from Faux News:

      As Thanksgiving approaches, could timing affect the jury’s decision or willingness to deliberate?

      “I think there’s always a concern on the part of the prosecution and, of course, on the defense, when there is a holiday coming up – or weekend coming up or some big event – that the jury may hurry through deliberations and come to a decision that might not be the same decision they would have come to had they spent more time,” longtime criminal defense attorney Julie Rendelman told Fox News Digital’s Stephanie Pagones on Friday.

      Rendelman is a former prosecutor who is based in New York City. She is not involved in the Rittenhouse case, but has been following the proceedings closely.

      “With that said,” she continued, “I think the jury has already spent, now it’s going to be close to four full days of deliberation reviewing the judge’s instructions on the law, reviewing the videos. And so it seems that they’re taking the time they should be in trying to get to a just decision.

      ”The jury began deliberating around 9 a.m. CT Friday, after previously spending more than 23 total hours behind closed doors.

      She noted, however: “The longer it takes the more it feels like there’s a potential that they will not come to an agreement on all the charges.”

    622. Gordon Allen says:

      TGCA Heh. Hitler came from Austria. See.s like they’re going back to their roots.

    623. Tgca says:


      Some common sense rules to address those with conditions unfairly stigmatized by society. *sarc*

      Colorado has acknowledged the term “sex offender” is…how can we say…umm…offensive to people in treatment for being sex offenders. It has a negative connotation so instead, treatment protocol will use the phrase “to those who have been sexually abusive” because that sounds so much better and won’t hurt sex offenders’ feelings.

      For our HHR IGORENT bigots, here are a list of other terms or phrases used in the past at HHR with more appropriately respectful replacement phrases that you should consider using in future posts.

      Illegal immigrant = undocumented person

      Homeless = residentially challenged person

      Pedophile = minor-attracted person

      Rapist = person forcing themselves sexually on another without consent

      Thief = person who takes other people’s stuff without consent

      Murderer = person who takes the life of another in an unwarranted manner

      Carjacker = person who inappropriately confiscates vehicles and leaves others stranded

      Whore, slut, skank, tramp = person who likes to frequently get around with others sexually

      Homo, queer, f*g = guys who like to get with other guys and do things church-going Christians and most Republicans find repulsive

      Motherf*cker = person who likes to get down with your mom

      Scumbag = person who reminds you of a used condom

      We reserve the right to add more terms and phrases suggested for use in posting as HHR evolves with society to be respectful of ALL people regardless of their thoughts, feelings, or actions.

    624. mnw says:

      The Germans like to joke that the Austrians are a people SO clever they convinced the world that Beethoven was Austrian and Hitler was German.

      I always assumed that no jury would stay out after 5PM on Friday afternoon, no matter what else happened.

    625. Tina says:
      JUST IN – Rittenhouse verdict expected within the next hour – media reports

    626. jason says:

      “New poll: massive chasm between credentialed laptop class and working-class.

      On the Economy, Biden has a 1% surplus approval from white college grads, and a stunning -54% deficit among working-class.

      Bitterlaw says:
      November 19, 2021 at 9:47 am

      Working class people actually can and do use computers.

      Jason hardest hit.”

      I guess Bitter must think “credentialed laptop class” and “working class” are the same.

      He will now explain why there is a 54% difference in their views.

    627. jason says:

      MSM celebrating Austria’s lockdown, but you hardly see it noted that it is only for 10 days.

      Of course, we know it could and probably will be extended.

    628. DW says:

      Of course there is no way the media can know that a verdict is expected in an hour.

    629. DW says:

      Faux News:

      58 seconds ago
      Increased police presence, victims’ families heading to courtroom
      There is a noticeable increase in police presence in the courthouse, according to Fox News’ Jiovanni Lieggi.

      All families of those who were killed are in the building heading into the courtroom.

      VICTIMS? How is someone a victim when one attacks an armed person to do bodily harm, and gets killed in the process?

      This is insane.

    630. DW says:

      Biden undergoing colonoscopy. It is expected they will find John Kasich in there.

    631. DW says:

      Fox News reports they have reached a verdit.

      Not looking good for Rittenhouse. No idea how they could get this many jurors and not one of them understands the importance of self-defense.

    632. jason says:

      Let’s see what the verdict is first.

    633. DW says:


    634. DW says:

      16 seconds ago
      Kyle Rittenhouse found not guilty on all counts
      Jury finds Kyle Rittenhouse found not guilty on all counts.

    635. Tina says:


    636. mnw says:

      Thank God.

      Now, grow up, kid.

    637. DW says:

      Courtroom was pretty quick to clear out. No doubt they wanted to get out of there before the protesters go crazy.

    638. Bitterlaw says:

      Breaking News – DW sets HHR record for being proven wrong. In 641 it was not looking good for Rittenhouse. Seven minutes later, in 643, Rittenhouse was acquitted.

    639. DW says:

      Glad to be wrong bitter…I have lost so much faith in people…hard to envision any wisdom left in our society. Very Glad I was wrong.

    640. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Biden Job Approval:
      Approve 37%
      Disapprove 46%

      1,500 RV, 11/15

    641. Tina says:

      Is it moot?

      Brian Entin
      In addition to verdict — we still are waiting to see how the judge rules on the outstanding motions for a mistrial.

    642. Bitterlaw says:

      For his own sake, I hope that Rittenhouse chooses to live the rest of his life quietly and away from publicity. I hope, but do not expect, that those who wanted him convicted leave him alone.

    643. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      2024 National General Election Poll:

      Donald Trump 41% (+6)
      Joe Biden 35%

      Donald Trump 42% (+9)
      Kamala Harris 33%

      ~ 1,500 RV ~ 11/15

    644. Bitterlaw says:

      I think a mistrial would be moot since the defense had requested one. If the prosecutor had requested it, it might not be moot as it could invalidate the verdict.


    645. jason says:

      jason says:
      November 19, 2021 at 1:10 pm

      Let’s see what the verdict is first.”

      Pats himself on back.

    646. jason says:

      For his own sake, I hope that Rittenhouse chooses to live the rest of his life quietly and away from publicity.”

      Not me, I hope he runs for office someday.

    647. Bitterlaw says:

      Of course, the families of the men who were killed and the guy who was shot will sue Rittenhouse and were probably just waiting for the verdict. They only have to prove negligence and self-defense won’t save him.

    648. mnw says:


      It’s moot.

      Jeopardy has attached.

    649. Tina says:

      He and his family will now sue Biden for defamation.

      Biden referred to him as a white supremacist.

    650. mnw says:

      I hope the idiot governor FLOODS the streets of Kenosha with police & troops, in an overwhelming show of strength.

      Time to put an end to THAT nonsense. They have about 3-4 hours to prepare before dark.

    651. Bitterlaw says:

      Run for office? Of course, lisab will say he is more qualified (except for his age) than I am.

    652. Bitterlaw says:

      Rittenhouse is not a hero. He acted in self-defense and was properly found not guilty. Both can be true.

    653. jason says:

      Hero no. Civic minded, yes.

      I don’t see any reason he should choose to “live the rest of his life quietly”, what a crock of crap.

      If he is not guilty of anything, why does he need to “live quietly”?

    654. Tina says:

      What are the come to from National Retreat Online and Erick the Red?

    655. Tina says:


    656. Tgca says:

      Thix Thix Thix Bishes!

      Thix Thix Thix I Thay!

    657. jason says:

      They only have to prove negligence and self-defense won’t save him”

      I doubt it would be that easy. Where was the “negligence” exactly?

      And what are they going to collect? Maybe some rich liberals will bankroll a civil suit to harass Rittenhouse, but he will be able to raise a lot of money to defend it.

    658. Bitterlaw says:

      He should live quietly so the lunatics who want to harm him don’t track him down. Do you think he would survive a book tour if his story is published? I don’t.

      He should get a job or go to school. Find somebody and settle down. Being found not guilty means he is not going to jail. Do you think BLM and Antifa are going to leave him alone? Seriously?

    659. Tina says:

      He can sue



      The prosecutors.

    660. Bitterlaw says:

      Jason thinks that in a civil trial you actually have to be negligent to be found negligent by a jury.

    661. mnw says:

      BL, Meldrin et al

      How do you see R’s civil liability position? In the case of the 2 dead men, who is even eligible to bring suit?

      He wasn’t operating under color of law.

      R doesn’t have any money (not until he publishes a ghost-written book, anyway).

    662. jason says:

      Ok, so Bitter admits Rittenhouse wasn’t negligent.

      Maybe the jury will too.

    663. jason says:

      I is a genius:

      ason says:
      November 15, 2021 at 8:24 pm

      We should have a prediction thread.

      Ok, I predict Rittenhouse is acquitted on all charges.

      I don’t see the jury getting over the reasonable doubt hurdle here.”

      Ok, I admit Bitter and Marv also predicted an acquittal on all charges, but they were probably following my expert prediction.

    664. Bitterlaw says:

      The prosecutors are almost certainly immune from suit. Otherwise, every time a defendant was found not guilty they would sue.

      Biden is immune from suit while in office.

      Facebook? Unless it specifically libeled Rittenhouse in a corporate statement rather than being a platform for others, I do not see a case there.

      But I’m sure Tina will post some tweets that disagree.

    665. Cash Cow TM says:

      “Each of them need to be primaried”


      Due to redistricting, WV’s McKinley (R-WV CD-1)
      and Mooney (R-WV CD-2) will be running against each other in 2022 in the same WV CD since WV lost one seat in HofR due to population loss.

      Walt said he will be voting for McKinley, who has long history on WV of good R credentials, philosophy, etc. Yes vote was, on balance, right vote on overall infrastructure bill–though it did have bad parts in it.

      Mooney also a conservative (and recent newcomer to WV) but has some troubling ethical violations on his campaign spending that he has been cited for.

    666. DW says:

      Lesson learned, if you attack a guy holding a huge, visible gun, don’t be surprised if you get shot.

    667. jason says:

      He should live quietly so the lunatics who want to harm him don’t track him down”

      That is the problem with our woke society.

      We now have to all cower in fear of the “lunatics” even if there is no reason to do so.

      I don’t agree. Rittenhouse was almost a victim of a terrible miscarriage of justice, and others might not be so lucky, there might not be a clear video.

      I don’t think he should run away from this. He is a survivor of a system that is at the risk of going rogue, where jurors are pressured and intimidated.

    668. Tgca says:

      I saw some legal analysis, from MSNBC of all places, that would advise against civil recourse against Kyle R. Under these circumstances.

      I’m not sure about WI but in some civil cases, they can bring in the character background and those perps all have long lengthy criminal records for violence, assault, and rape.

      People will undoubtedly know in a civil case too all about these perps so I doubt you will see much sympathy for a repeated pedophile…sorry…I meant “minor-attracted persons” as well as domestic abusers.

      The airwaves and internet will be littered with every single violent act these perps did so pursuing this may be a difficult task because of the character of the perps.

      We will see if the perps families wish to further bring attention to the vile character of these perps.

    669. Bitterlaw says:


      I could make a case he was and a case he was not. Which side is paying me?

    670. DW says:

      And the prosecution’s attempt to establish precedent that every rioter has the inalienable right to burn down public and private property with no consequence is not advanced.

    671. jason says:

      I think Rittenhouse might have the same success Sandmann had in suing the MSM for falsehoods.

    672. DW says:

      It was a widespread and open attempt at a public lynching. You cannot have that many people telling that many whoppers without calling this an attempted lynching.

    673. dylan says:

      Take-way–conventional wisdom and tea leave readers have no idea how to predict what juries are going to do and the “net time” spent on deliberations is in no way dispositive towards guilt or innocence.

    674. jason says:

      I could make a case he was and a case he was not.”

      As usual, on the fence trying to have it both ways.

    675. DW says:

      Basically, one 17 year old did the work of the police. I would think that if all the circumstances were the same, except that instead of Rittenhouse, it was a black female police officer who was attacked by white men, and she fired back, killing the one who attacked with skateboard, and the one who approached with a gun, she would be hailed as a hero, and would have gotten a promotion.

      Hero or not, Rittenhouse WAS very LUCKY. Both of the men killed were felons, one a child predator who should been terminated by execution by now anyway. None of the three he shot were black, and the one that he missed was black. Very lucky.

    676. Tgca says:

      I would only rely on legal guidance from attorney with subject matter expertise in the area of civil suits in wrongful death claims and that have experience in those states.

      Otherwise we mind as well ask a tax attorney, patent attorney, regulatory, and entertainment for their view as well.

    677. mnw says:


      “I hope he chooses to live the rest of his life quietly and away from publicity” is EXACTLY the same advice (I think word for word) that Dershowitz gave to Claus Von Bulow. I think that may be pretty much what all good defense attys say to their acquitted clients in headline cases.

      “Reversal Of Fortune” is a good book AND an excellent film both, btw, imo.

    678. Bitterlaw says:

      mnw – In a wrongful death suit in PA (which is what it would here), the Estate could file the suit. A widow or children or family member who received financial support from the deceased could also sue.

      I disagree that the fact that that the dead men were bad people would necessarily be in evidence. The child predator was not in the act of assaulting a child when shot so the attorney for the plaintiffs would move to preclude it as irrelevant and prejudicial. Where character of the decedents might be a factor is the lost earning potential. The attorney representing Rittenhouse would argue that even if his client was negligent, the dead had very low wage potential.

    679. jason says:

      Now let’s focus on the real news of the day.

      The New York Times
      Search for Jimmy Hoffa Leads the FBI to Jersey City Landfill
      Fri, November 19, 2021, 8:15 AM

    680. Bitterlaw says:

      684 Zzzzzzzzzzzz. Jason hates when lawyers use legal analysis on legal issues. Sad.

    681. jason says:

      is EXACTLY the same advice (I think word for word) that Dershowitz gave to Claus Von Bulow.”

      Probably a good reason on why lawyers should give people legal advice but not how to live their lives advice.

    682. jason says:

      Jason hates when lawyers use legal analysis on legal issues.”


      YOU were the one that said you could argue it either way.


    683. Bitterlaw says:

      I do have experience with wrongful death suits in PA, but not WI. GFY.

    684. Wes says:

      I see Rittenhouse was acquitted on all charges.


      We haven’t yet descended into mob rule and flagrant jury intimidation.

    685. Bitterlaw says:

      Do you even have the slightest grasp of what lawyers do? The reason there are trials is because arguments can be made either way. Otherwise, in civil cases you get settlements and in criminal trials you get plea deals.

    686. mnw says:

      688 BL

      Sounds right.

      Ritt has a dilemma. His story is worth a fortune right now, I suspect, but it will lose value fast. But if he rushes to publish, then bingo! Now he’s worth suing & is no longer judgment proof.

      Going back to the trial for a moment, prosecutors like to say, “I’d rather have 2 AA jurors than 1,” the idea being that 2 won’t feel so besieged & isolated, & that one may be able to talk the other around. Apparently there was 1 AA juror on the Ritt juror, and it may have been the foreperson.

    687. jason says:

      Do you even have the slightest grasp of what lawyers do?”

      Zzzzzzz…… I could take advantage of this slow ball over the plate but I am feeling magnanimous today.

    688. Cash Cow TM says:

      If some people are upset with the Rittenhouse court decision, that instead of unleashing a maelstrom of violence, they should boycott something.

      I mean, instead of unleashing a PERSON-strom of violence…

      …they should YOUNG-PRE-ADULT-MALE-cott.

    689. Tina says:

      Do you even have the slightest grasp of what lawyers do?

      Chase Ambulances?

    690. jason says:

      How many lawyer jokes are there, anyway? Only three. The rest are true stories.

    691. Cash Cow TM says:

      I think it is stupid for a president every year to pardon a turkey or two before thanksgiving.

    692. mnw says:

      I guess if you’re Ritt & his agent, you sell his story to the highest bidder as soon as you can, & you let civil liability be a problem for another day.

      Take they money and run.

    693. mnw says:

      The WH has said it will have a statement about the verdicts in Kenosha.

    694. jason says:

      What do you call a lawyer who doesn’t chase ambulances?

    695. jason says:

      “I think it is stupid for a president every year to pardon a turkey or two before thanksgiving.”

      I think they should be eaten after being pardoned.

    696. mnw says:

      Ritt looked sort of fit on the night of the shootings. Today he looks sort of chubby. Maybe he’s a nervous eater. He’s had reason to be nervous these past 15 months.

    697. Cash Cow TM says:

      “mnw says:
      November 19, 2021 at 2:39 pm
      The WH has said it will have a statement about the verdicts in Kenosha.”

      Cow taking bets that any WH statement will NOT be a statement building unity and bridging deep differences that exist in the U.S. I do not expect any “justice was served” type statement.
      After all, Biden called Ritt a ‘white supremist”.

      A WH statement might include asking the far left to not riot too much.

    698. DW says:

      “The WH has said it will have a statement about the verdicts in Kenosha.”

      Biden will re-affirm that Ritt is a white supremicist.

    699. DW says:

      Tom Cotton demands Biden ‘publicly apologize’ to Kyle Rittenhouse

    700. jason says:

      Rittenhouse plans to go to college and study nursing.

      Bitter to say something stupid like he should go live in a cave instead in 3, 2, 1….

    701. jason says:

      Today he looks sort of chubby. Maybe he’s a nervous eater.”

      Or maybe jail food is just not that healthy.

    702. Bitterlaw says:

      704. More ignorance of law and lawyers. You can call them prosecutors, civil and criminal defense attorneys, JAGs, judges, etc….

    703. Bitterlaw says:

      In 668, I said Rittenhouse should get a job or go to school.

      In 710, Jason reports that Rittenhouse is going to follow my advice. But Jason can’t help himself so he makes a stupid comment about me that contradicts what I posted. SOJ – Same Old Jason.

    704. Tina says:

      I am sure the Unjustice Dept will weigh in with that corrupt Ag

      Rep. Nadler
      · 50m
      This heartbreaking verdict is a miscarriage of justice and sets a dangerous precedent which justifies federal review by DOJ. Justice cannot tolerate armed persons crossing state lines looking for trouble while people engage in First Amendment-protected protest.…

    705. Cash Cow TM says:

      Maybe the WH will announce it will tell the Justice dept. to indict Ritt on federal charges…

    706. jason says:

      I am not sure Rittenhouse’s book would be that much of a best seller, everyone has seen the videos and heard his account. Maybe he can embellish his conversations with fellow inmates and his defense lawyers and what he thought of the testimony as it happened, but there is not a lot of new material to talk about.

    707. jason says:

      Rittenhouse was not an armed person crossing state lines. The weapon was purchased and stored in WI. So no federal charges would apply to “crossing state lines” with a weapon.

    708. jason says:

      I beg to differ with Huber’s girlfriend.

      “He was an incredibly intelligent person, literally the smartest person I’ve ever met,” Gittings said. “He knew exactly what was at risk for him chasing down somebody with a weapon.”

    709. mnw says:

      I’m sure Ritt could sell the exclusive rights to an extended TV interview right NOW for a lot of money. A book deal too.

      I wouldn’t be interested in Ritt’s story, but I’d check out & read a book by his chief defense atty. I thought the interview his atty gave just now on FOX was interesting.

    710. jason says:

      I give Biden credit for this.

      Sue me.

      “President Joe Biden said Friday he stands by the not-guilty verdict in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, saying the jury system of trial in the United States works and must be respected.
      “Look, I stand by what the jury has concluded,” he said. “The jury system works, and we have to abide by it.”

    711. Tina says:

      A VA cop was fired for donating $25 to the Rittenhouse Defense fund. He will sue.

      He donated anonymously.

    712. jason says:

      Someone told him it would be stupid if he escalated this, I am sure, but still he was smart enough to take the advice.

    713. mnw says:

      The two dead men had just the sort of background I’d have expected them to have. Normal people avoid trouble. The one who got shot but survived testified he’d been to 75 recent protests.

    714. mnw says:

      The crowd in front of the courthouse looks like only 2-3 dozen people by my estimate, at least for the nuance.

      So now would be a good time for an overwhelming show of LE strength– let everybody see that no more nonsense will be tolerated, & do it while it’s still light out.

    715. DW says:

      So the left is just going to keep repeating the lies to foment racial tensions. These people are demented, sick, and fully disgusting. They are the cause of the problems in this country.

    716. DW says:

      “President Joe Biden said Friday he stands by the not-guilty verdict in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, saying the jury system of trial in the United States works and must be respected.
      “Look, I stand by what the jury has concluded,” he said. “The jury system works, and we have to abide by it.”

      he’s trying to avoid getting sued for calling Rittenhouse a white supremacist.

    717. Tina says:

      Putzaki with the follow up message from Biden.

    718. Tina says:

      You folks may want to read the “revised” Biden statement.

      He is angered by the verdict.

    719. Wes says:

      These are the people Rittenhouse killed:

      Two thugs and a paramedic with an expired concealed-carry permit who claimed to have pointed his gun at Rittenhouse by accident.


      When I point a gun at something, I always do it by accident.

    720. Wes says:

      RRH just shut down a sub thread about Rittenhouse. I don’t know, but I’d think that trial might possibly have electoral implications.

    721. Tina says:

      The “expired” Paramedic survived.

      He testified.

      2 were killed. One of them molested boys. No,clue how he got out of jail.

    722. Tgca says:

      I disagree on character or history. If someone has a history of violently attacking people and you kill them in the process of an attack, I find it hard to believe that cannot be used in a civil case. Otherwise, every criminal’s family can sue someone for damages because their loved one got killed while committing a crime. After all, had the perps not died, there could have been charges against them for assault.

      I understand there are state differences too but I did read there are exceptions to what courts allow as evidence in civil cases because one is defending themself against charges brought by another and you can question the motive and charges being sought.

    723. Tom says:

      Bill Deblasio just issued about as disgusting a statement I have ever heard trashing the verdict.

      “This verdict is disgusting and it sends a horrible message to this country. Where is the justice in this?” “We can’t let this go. We need stronger laws to stop violent extremism from within our own nation,”.

    724. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      #727- DW
      Five years from now once the lawsuits settle, whom do you think will be wealthier— Kyle Rittenhouse or Nicholas sandman(Covington HS)?

    725. DW says:

      Disgraced former NY governor Andrew Cuomo calls verdict ‘stain on soul of America’

      No, YOU Mr. Cuomo are a stain on the soul of America.

    726. Tgca says:

      So Biden thinks the jury system works but is angered by the jury finding the defendant innocent?

      Would the president be happy if the jury system did not work and found the defendant guilty?

      Why is he angry? Is he saying the jury is mistaken?

    727. DW says:

      731 – I don’t think it will have electoral implications.

    728. Tgca says:

      Biden claims the jury system works.
      Why is Biden angry if the jury system works?

      Biden claims he’s angry by the verdict.
      Why is Biden angry by a verdict from a jury system that works?

      Biden claims he didn’t watch the trial.
      Why is Biden angry about a trial he did not watch? How can he conclude he agrees or disagrees with the jury if he’s not seen the evidence?

      I don’t understand this angry white male!

    729. DW says:

      740 – give him a break, as he had a colonoscopy today…it took doctors a while to remove John Kasich.

    730. Wes says:

      You don’t think the Let’s apoplectic outrage over the acquittal of someone who committed an act of self-defense against some thugs will drive people on the Right to the polls, DW?

      I certainly do.

    731. Wes says:

      Cuomo has chutzpah. I’ll give him that. He killed a bunch of old people and sexually harassed multiple women, but he claims Rittenhouse’s acquittal is some kind of stain on America’s soul.

      With friends like Cuomo, does the Left need enemies?

    732. Tgca says:


      I’ve had two colonoscopies but I was not angry about it.
      Actually, I felt tired and sleepy after them.
      Hungry too!

      Therefore, I conclude that colonoscopies make you hungry, tired and sleepy.

    733. DW says:

      742 – possibly Wes, but in the end, the election is 11 months away, and Biden’s atrocities will continue to take center stage.

      10 months from now, people might be more concerned about rushing to the polls because they are paying $6.25 a gallon for gas, and not finding adequate food on the shelves of stores.

    734. Wes says:

      There’s that obviously, DW, but this reaction from the Left is one more thing the Democrats don’t need motivating people against them.

    735. DW says:

      Wes–I concede the point to you. The Dem reaction is much the same as their reaction to the 2021 election. Learn nothing. Dig their hole deeper.

      Like I said before, this whole trial was not about Rittenhouse or those killed. It was all about the Dems’ push to have an inalienable right for roving gangs to do whatever they want, burn down whatever they want, to both public and private property, and then face no consequences.

      So I agree that they don’t understand the optics of being the party who stands unashamedly for societal chaos and violence.

      It’s funny too that just a few hours before the verdict, the rumor was floated that the prosecution thought it was hung 6-6. Obviously that was not the case. That might have been the initial straw poll…but clearly the last day or so must have been just to satisfy one hold-out.

    736. Tgca says:

      Today a major historical event occurred and the MSM is ignoring it.

      Today, Amerika had its 1st female president – female president of color too – for less than an hour as Joe Biden transferred power to Kamala Harris while getting his butt scoped.

      Now that’s progress!

      It is reported that Pete Buttigieg volunteered to attend the procedure with Dr. Jill as moral support and explain the details of how butt scoping works.

      Now the good news is Kamala did not issue any executive orders or accidentally start a nuclear war.

      The bad news …for Hillary that is…she was once again denied the opportunity to be Amerika’s 1st female president.

    737. Tina says:

      Comfortably Smug
      MSNBC right now calling anyone defending Kyle a domestic terrorist and they have a counter terrorism expert on to discuss.

    738. DW says:

      And its maddening too how they keep pushing this trial as an issue to foment racial tension. I bet if there a quick on the street interview of 50 people, asking them if they recall if it was one or two blacks that Rittenhouse killed, there would be maybe one out of the 50 that would stop and say, it wasn’t any.

    739. jason says:

      Comment about Beto on Internet..

      “He’s a professional loser, and business is good.”

    740. jason says:

      Rumor is that since Biden didn’t know what was going on anyway, they decided not to risk any anesthesia.

    741. Tgca says:

      749. Tina

      Does MSNBC also have as a guest, the Old Dominion University professor put on leave, to sympathize with the convicted “minor-attracted person” victimized by Kyle R’s murderous actions?

    742. jason says:

      Headline on MSNBC:

      “Kyle Rittenhouse’s trial was designed to protect white conservatives who kill”

    743. Tgca says:



      Conservatives kill in self defense.

      Liberals kill on movie sets.

    744. Tgca says:

      So I’ve been pondering whether a minor can be sued for damages not related to a contractual arrangement in civil court.

      Kyle R. was a minor when he shot the two criminal perps. Under WI law, can a minor be sued in civil court for related damages? Does the law distinguish or have exceptions for minor status at the time of the event versus subsequent legal age attainment.

      Clearly, there have been cases where parents of minors were responsible for damages of their children but in this case, Kyle’s parents are pretty much poor white trash so not much to collect there.

      Can a civil remedy apply to an adult who committed damages as a minor in WI?

      I don’t expect any answers here since our HHR lawyers are not subject matter experts in this area but it may be something to ponder.

    745. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      As predictable as night following day:
      Jerry Nadler(D-NY) wants a federal investigation of the Rittenhouse case.
      Has anyone seen such a bunch of sore losers like Democrats?!

    746. Tgca says:


      Maybe not so good news for many of the current CNN hosts, a network already struggling in ratings.

      Discovery merger with CNN parent WarnerMedia expected in mid-2022 and CNN gets new bosses which includes a major stakeholder not too happy with CNN’ current talent.

      “I would like to see CNN evolve back to the kind of journalism that it started with, and actually have journalists,” claimed John Malone, the top shareholder of Discovery, which is poised to take over the network.

    747. Bitterlaw says:

      Minors can be sued in civil cases. Adults can be sued for actions committed while minors provided the statute of limitations did not run when suit was filed.

      Suck it.

    748. Tina says:

      Commie Ag to,do something.

    749. Tina says:

      Who will,say something more stupid about Rittenhouse?

      Garage door pull (bubba Wallace) or Xi Lebron.

    750. Tina says:

      Kamala is President for five minutes and she lets a white supremacist walk free

    751. lisab says:

      Do you even have the slightest grasp of what lawyers do?”

      continuously bemoan their lives and belittling deplorables?

    752. Tina says:

      Kampala had him correct this quickly.

      John Cooper
      Biden, 2:29pm: “The process worked.”

      Biden, 72 minutes later: “I’m angry and concerned about the process.”

      Biden is not in charge of this administration. #Rittenhouse

    753. mnw says:

      DW & Wes

      My suspicion about the political fallout from the Ritt trial:

      To the extent there is any, it might energize 2A activists/new gun owners/CCW licensees at the margins.

      2A stuff has never polled better than it does right now. Plus of late, first-time firearm owners & CCW permit registrants are disproportionately… suburban… women!* This emerging trend of more women firearm owners & new minority legal firearm owners is flying beneath the radar, I think, altho firearms dealers sure as hell know it. And pollsters have noticed.

      *we are all aware of the disagreements here about the GOP & suburban women voters.

    754. Bitterlaw says:

      I heard that maple syrup prices will go down because producers are releasing supplies from their reserves. Tgca will not starve this winter.

    755. jason says:

      Fox legal analysts think Rittenhouse has a really good case of defamation against Biden.

    756. Tgca says:


      I prefer to await the legal guidance from a REAL subject matter legal expert. As I said earlier, the legal guidance from a patent or tax attorney really is not reliable in such a case.

      I did not say minors can’t be sued in civil cases. I qualified it as cases outside contract disputes for which some legal points I saw suggest is more of a gray area.

      Suing a minor for damages for murder is not the same as suing a minor under a contract dispute. I believe there were some cases mentioned on this regarding vehicular accidents.

      Don’t argue with me. Argue with lawyers who practice in this area who point out some of these issues.

      I assume there may be differences by states too as there’s often not a one glove fits all solution.

    757. Tgca says:

      765. MNW

      I do not know about elsewhere but the gun range I go to in south Floreedah always has a good number of AA there and it’s not located in a minority neighborhood either.

      Now Broward County is Dem but it has its areas of deplorables, hence, the reason Bitter does not want to visit Floreedah.

      I could not imagine folks in Floreedah will want to give up there constitutional right to bear arms because even in south Floreedah we have many gun owners.

    758. Tgca says:


      Alan Dershowitz just stated on Newsmax TV:

      1. Unlikely the victims or their families can make a successful civil case against Kyle R. here because the victims have real problems with their actions and past.

      2. It is likely Kyle R. has a good civil case against a number of political pundits and MSM for defamation and outright lies.

      So from what I’m seeing, a number of liberal and conservatism lawyers both agree civil cases against Kyle R is an uphill battle whereas, his civil cases against others being successful is promising.

    759. mnw says:

      771 Tg

      That’s an interesting post. Good catch.

      I hope conservative media (what little there is) will keep reporting on the civil liability consequences of the trial, because that’s fascinating to me.

      I’d love to see Ritt sue the socks off the leftist media for defamation on the “white supremacist” thing, just as Nick Sandmann did.

      They just made their “white supremacist” charge up out of whole cloth! I conclude this because if there was ANY evidence the kid had been affiliated with those bozos… anybody think we wouldn’t have heard about it EVERY day for many MONTHS already?

    760. Tgca says:

      772. MNW

      Not only that. They keep lying and saying Kyle R. crossed state lines with a weapon and that was proven incorrect for anyone that watched the trial.

      Fatty pants CongressCritter Nadler today stated that lie again in his call for the DOJ to come into WI and do a federal review of the case.

      I doubt AG Garland is gonna do that because he’s already on the hot seat for some missteps and now he’s being accused of lying to Congress due to whistleblower emails that is going to lead to more hearings sooner or later so I doubt he will want to add more headaches to his plate.

      Besides, Biden already accepted the verdict and claimed the system worked so how they can now walk this back and ask for a federal case seems crazy to me.

    761. Tgca says:

      Fatty pants CongressCritter Nadler calling for DOJ to do federal review of the Rittenhouse verdict.

      He repeats the lie referencing Kyle coming over state lines armed which we know is not true from the trial.

      This heartbreaking verdict is a miscarriage of justice and sets a dangerous precedent which justifies federal review by DOJ. Justice cannot tolerate armed persons crossing state lines looking for trouble while people engage in First Amendment-protected protest.

    762. Bitterlaw says:

      Minors can be sued for negligence. You can wait for whomever you want but that is the answer you are seeking. Despite your arrogance, you will NEVER have as much trial experience that I have defending clients in motor vehicle, premises liability, products liability, medical malpractice, landlord-tenant disputes, pet-owner liability, professional liability, hotel liability for sexual assault of visitors, bar owner liability (dram shop cases), and workers compensation cases over 29 years.

    763. Tgca says:

      Why Mark Ruffalo is stoopid!

      He claims in a post they feared Kyle. I guess that why they chased him down to the ground because they feared him, right?


      After all we have seen and heard about these weapons of war, these killing machines, there is no doubt that people who faced this young man were more afraid of him than he was of them. He was the one with a weapon of war, loaded and ready to be used on people.

    764. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca won’t go to a gun range in a minority neighborhood. Such an elitist.

    765. Tgca says:


      I think I’d take the advice of Alan Dershowitz over your advice but thank you.

      …now tell us how many civil cases involving minors shooting violent attackers you litigated please.

    766. Tgca says:

      There are no gun ranges in minority neighborhoods near me…unless you count gun violence on the streets as a gun range.

    767. Bitterlaw says:

      778 Probably the same number of civil cases involving minors shooting violent attackers as Dershowitz has litigated. Zero.

    768. Tgca says:


      But he’s a nationally respected expert with an impeccable legal resume and though he may not have litigated civil cases he knows the law better than most attorneys and has familiarity with how these criminal cases also transition to civil cases.

      I don’t agree with Dershowitz’ politics but I’ve read a few of his books and watched him over the years and he is 2nd best to none and has trained some of the best legal minds in this country.

      …and you are?

    769. Bitterlaw says:

      782 …and you are?

      A trained legal mind. Which you are not. Thanks for asking.

    770. Tgca says:

      A trained legal mind that gets laid off frequently.

    771. Tgca says:


      Ooops! Sorry! I did not mean that.

      LisaB made me say it.

      She got powers you know.

      Like when she made you go to the Radnor School Board meeting that time.

    772. mnw says:

      Dersh was also a tenured professor of criminal law at Harvard Law School. Gulp. I doubt they drew his name out of a hat.

      Everything BL has posted about Ritt & civil litigation seems logical to me & SOUNDS right. He has a point about having had quite an array of civil procedure experience, too, I think, Tg.

    773. jason says:

      I would go with Dershowitz over Bitter if they had differing opinions, no offense.

      However, I am not sure Tgca is accurately describing Dershowitz’s position.

    774. Bitterlaw says:

      mnw – Tgclown is an EXPERT on all things except being gay. He defers to lisab, who is not gay, on that issue.

      I never claimed to have more knowledge of the law than Dershowitz. I absolutely have more knowledge of the law and trial practice than Tgclown.

      Tgclown always talks about his education and expertise but never says exactly what his job was.

    775. Bitterlaw says:

      I have always said that Dershowitz is a great legal mind, even when I disagree with him. It is ironic that many people who could not stand his liberal views now revere him because he supported Trump during the first impeachment.

    776. mnw says:

      I think Dershowitz changed sides politically because of his anger over the left having abandoned its longstanding support for Israel. I welcome new allies who assert that, “I didn’t leave them. They left me.”

      I know I said this already, but I REALLY developed great respect for Dershowitz from reading “Reversal of Fortune,” about the Von Bulow case– & the film did the book justice, too. I can count on one hand the number of “legal story” films I’ve genuinely liked, btw.

      “The Sea Will Tell,” based on the non-fiction book by Vincent Bugliosi, is another one that makes my list. It’s neither here nor there, but Bugliosi was an even bigger leftist than Dershowitz. Unlike Dershowitz, the Bug was a leftist ideologue right up until the day he died.

    777. jason says:

      The overwhelming view of lawyers, at least on conservative sites, seems to be that a civil suit against Rittenhouse would be unlikely to succeed. While in the criminal case the character and background of the “victims” could not be used, it would be fair game in a civil case.

    778. DW says:

      NASCAR Driver Bubba Wallace Says Rittenhouse Would Have Got Life if He Were Black

      Apparently Bubba has never heard of O.J. Simpson.