Ryan Leads Vance By 3% in OH

    I am surprised by the seeming lack of polling of probably the three high-profile US Senate races this year since the primaries ended for the states of Georgia, Ohio and Pennsylvania. As far as I can tell, we have not seen a single new public poll for GA and PA since their primary races were decided and we have only received this new Democratic Party-leaning poll from Innovation Ohio (done by GrowProgress) for the state of Ohio that shows Tim Ryan with a small lead over Trump-endorsed Republican JD Vance.

    US SENATE – OHIO (GrowProgress/Innovation Ohio)
    Tim Ryan (D) 44%
    JD Vance (R) 41%

    If Ryan were to win this race, this would be a pick up for Democrats. This poll was done May 30-June 3 among 2018 registered voters.

    Posted by Dave at 2:34 pm
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    224 Responses to “Ryan Leads Vance By 3% in OH”

    1. Cash Cow TM says:


      Hey Bitter,

      Walt wrote a review about your book on the site
      you linked. Not sure it is up yet, though.

    2. mnw says:

      Vance may or may not be behind, but this leftist poll in OH is self-evident garbage. I quit reading after the first paragraph. “Designed to assist us in pursuing progressive goals for Ohio”?

      OK! I’m outta here Come back with a real poll.

    3. DW says:

      2 – the other giveaway is how they had to put 15% into undecided to get a narrow Dem lead. Press them a bit, and get different results.

      Garbage in, garbage out.

    4. EML says:

      Thanks Cow

    5. EML says:

      Not a chance Vance loses in OH

    6. Tina says:

      Designed to assist us = designed for the HHR head= designed for the jebots,

      GarageBand I , garbage out,

    7. Tgca says:

      From the last thwed, 828, EML says:

      Maybe you need to go to CA or NY and see what a real homelessness problem looks like.

      I’ll remind EML I lived and worked in San Francisco for 20 years so I know all about its homelessness better than he ever will. I can educate him about the different areas they congregated, where they slept at night and hung out in the day. The filth of stepping around human urine and feces walking about in the early mornings before the filth was hosed off the sidewalks or why my high rise in Pacific Heights had to put up a locked gate to keep homeless from using our side and garage entry as a bathroom.

      I also grew up within 5 miles of NYC and worked in NYC for years and had to step around the homeless going to and from work in NYC daily and dealing with the stench on public transportation.

      Has EML ever ridden the bus or train with homeless reeking so badly you had to move your seat to avoid vomiting?

      So before EML lectures others on homelessness in other cities from which he gets from worldwide aggregators, perhaps he should listen to people who ACTUALLY lived and worked in those cities with homeless issues.

    8. SweatyToothedMadman says:

      Former GOP Rep. William Minshall of Cleveland could have locked down this seat for GOP. As it is, Vance most likely wins.

    9. Tgca says:

      Responding to EML’s unknowledgeable post 824 from the last thwed about FL from someone who ACTUALLY lives in FL.

      You do know that FL controls every major office in FL except for the Agriculture and Consumer Services held by Dem Nikki Fried, and that it controls about 60% of the legislature too and all its Supreme Court justices were appointed by GOP gubbernors….riiiiiiight?

      How is that not politically advantageous to the GOP and it’s Gubbernor in passing legislation in FL?

      In addition, the GOP has controlled the FL executive branch for over 20 years straight but EML thinks it’s not advantageous to the GOP in FL.

    10. EML says:

      Has EML ever ridden the bus or train with homeless reeking so badly you had to move your seat to avoid vomiting?
      Only while visiting terrible cities where I would never want to live. Can’t for the life of me figure out why you idiots want to live in a place where you’re stacked up on top of other people.

      As much as I like complaining about leftist American cities, the absolute worst place I’ve ever been is Paris. The socialist paradise. The city of love. Homeless people everywhere and the entire city smells like urine. tcga would fit right in.

    11. EML says:

      How is that not politically advantageous to the GOP and it’s Gubbernor in passing legislation in FL?
      I will apologize for some misunderstanding. Unlike you, I have some grace and humility [can’t believe a manly man like me has more grace than you]. You are correct than DeSantis has had a favorable legislature. Not sure how he will react with an unfavorable one. But Trump has already proven what he can do with an unfavorable legislature and the answer is, nothing.

    12. mnw says:


      Did you notice that the new bipartisan “gun safety” bill that’s emerging has almost nothing to do with… FIREARMS?

      I’m a gun owner, but I can’t get excited about THAT plain vanilla pablum. It’s a nothing burger, imo!

      I think the ‘bipartisans’ could’ve gone considerably further than they did without offending 90% of the voters.

    13. Tgca says:


      People who are not wealthy generally live in cities for convenience of work or play.

      San Francisco was a good city to live in before era where wealth destroyed the city and priced out those who did not already own a home. Another example where building more units did nothing to alleviate renting affordability.

      But one can also argue about the lefty burbs with the stoopid liberal soccer moms who vote as told to do and believe everyone has to be nice to one another and no one will try to disenfranchise their privileged white children if they just voted as their neighbors.

      We all know how that turned out now with tranny rapists in schools and CRT.

      So the only decent places to go to get away from the radical lefties are the rural areas but we know from posters here that they’d rather die than live in rural America so they stay put with their lefty neighbors who all supposedly voted GOP in their 70%+ Dem districts.

    14. Tina says:

      Mnw. It’s like the the non infrastructure bill.

      Our side seems to want to enable Biden who is in the 30s.

      It’s simple for luntz tenant and the Biden beitch.

      Economy economy economy.

    15. Tgca says:


      Sorry! You’re wrong again. I would not fit in any liberal city. It’s an anathema to me, mainly because of the stoopid people.

      I prefer the suburbs if I can keep distance from the idiot soccer mom types who vote with their feelings instead of their brains.

      I used to enjoy the cities for the libraries and science museums but no longer need that in this day when I can get everything on line.

    16. Tgca says:


      Perhaps you have more grace because I’m much more of a manlier man than you.

      Did you not see my post 798 in the previous thwed?

    17. Tgca says:

      It’s a good thing Jadon lives in PA or he would go ballistic over this.

      California’s Sky-High Costs Force Smithfield Foods to Shut Down Hog Plant in Golden State

    18. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      I agree that the Senate gun bill is weak tea. It includes funding to States for Red Flag Laws and mental health and stricter background checks for those in the 18 to 21 range.
      The two things that bother me are:
      1- After the next shooting, the Democrats will demand more. It’s the old slippery slope argument.
      2- The Senate bill will now go to conference with the radical bill passed by the House. Fortunately, any bill that emerges from the Conference can be filibustered in the Senate.
      I would like to thank(sarc) my own Senator, Thom Tillis, for being one of the ten Republicans to betray the Second Amendment and, I am certain that jason feels the same about Pat Toomey.

      By the way, my NY Rangers were eliminated last night. Their offense crashed against the Lightening.

    19. EML says:

      By the way, my NY Rangers were eliminated last night. Their offense crashed against the Lightening.
      Also my NY Rangers. On to the Yankees winning the World Series.

    20. Tgca says:

      In response to 831 in last thwed.

      Agree! Hispanic is an ethnicity and not a race. However, due to mixed heritage, many refer to Hispanics as “people of color” or “brown” people. I think that is mostly due to certain Latin groups mixed with Native American, African American, or other indigenous heritage.

      For the record, I never like the Hispanic designation term and prefer Latino but that’s just me.

      As someone that is 50% Puerto Rican by paternity and 12%+ African by genetics, I no longer check the Caucasian-Hispanic box.

      Due to reparations, I am now referring to myself as a White African American Puerto Rican gay male.

      Failure to do so could result in me losing out on reparations payout in the future since both AA and gays are now seeking reparations.

    21. EML says:

      I am not against raising the age for anything.

      Guns, alcohol, tobacco, weed, sex, draft. As a whole, we are raising a country of weaklings.

      It just hurts to give the left a victory on guns.

    22. EML says:

      Damn, tgca is giving me some credit. What is this world coming to.

    23. Tgca says:

      I think there’s a good chance SCOTUS will throw out any requirements based on age alone for red flag laws as that appears discriminating.

      So we have red flag laws if you’re 20 and 11 months old but not if you’re 21 and 1 month old?

    24. Tgca says:


      I have no bone to pick with you EML…never did…other than your recent TDS.

      …and it’s TGCA, not tgca.

    25. Tgca says:


      That post appears contradicting but maybe I’m reading too much into it.

    26. Tina says:

      Sean Davis
      Pretty obvious that McConnell whipped the vote so Murkowski wouldn’t have to vote for it. Why? She’s getting primaried by an actual Republican.

      Eerily similar to McCain siding with Dems on ObamaCare to save the RINOS who wanted to keep ObamaCare but didn’t want to face voters.
      Quote Tweet

      Joyce Karam
      · 4h
      The 10 Republicans Supporting Gun Deal in Senate


      Makes it immune to filibuster (60)
      Show this thread

    27. Tina says:

      Julie Kelly ??
      4 lame ducks setting up post-Senate gigs

      6 frauds who voted to send tens of billions in US dollars and unaccountable US weaponry to Ukraine while slowly stripping Americans of their 2A rights at a time our government has turned against its own people

      Senate GOP is a disgrace

    28. Tgca says:

      Ok. I know I’m a baaaaaaad gay role model. But I just don’t get drag queens….or Nancy Pelosi, who recently stated during an appearance on a drag Queen show:

      …Pelosi told the contestants she was proud of them and thanked them “for the joy and beauty [they] bring to the world.”“Your freedom of expression of yourselves in drag is what America is all about,” the House speaker added.

      So being a drag queen is what America is all about and brings joy and beauty to the world?

      Is that what the Founding Fathers intended?

      Come to think of it, she may have a point since we know those Founding Fathers wore wigs, tights, go-go boots, frilly shirts with ruffles, and long colorful draping jackets.

      Who knows?

    29. mnw says:

      28 Friend, Tina

      I think you’re overreacting.

      If the House lards up the ‘bipartisans'” bill with REAL gun-grabbing add-ons, the whole thing will die a quick death in the Senate.

      Fwiw, I don’t think Pelosi will choose to shoot down the bipartisans’ bill that way. Because, the bipartisans’ bill is a great way for DEMs in swing districts to vote FOR ‘gun safety,’ without alienating anybody, except people who wouldn’t vote for a DEM if he/she were the Risen Christ.

      It’s easy to forget that a harsh gun control bill is something the most endangered DEM House members desperately want to avoid.

    30. mnw says:

      I wonder if there are a lot of other voters as sick of hearing about sex freaks as I am, but who know enough to keep their mouths tightly shut… until that little curtain in the ballot booth closes behind them.

      Anybody remember “the Bradley effect”?

    31. Tgca says:

      I LOVE this site:

      I Fix stuff
      It’s what I do
      …and I know things

      That’s my kinda shirt!!!

    32. Tina says:

      I knew we were screened when this turd was involved in negotiations

      Sean Davis
      Oh, you’re not supporting red flag laws, you’re just spending millions and millions of dollars of our money to support and enact red flag laws?

      Embarrassing attempt at spin here.
      Quote Tweet

      Senator John Cornyn

    33. Tina says:

      From the same people that love vaccine mandates and 2 weeks ro slow the spread.

      The Rs in the senate are largely trash.

    34. Tgca says:

      I doubt Dr. Fow-chee would approve.

      He would ask Twitter and W.H.O. to ban this as its misinformation and could lead to many deaths.

    35. jason says:

      Did you notice that the new bipartisan “gun safety” bill that’s emerging has almost nothing to do with… FIREARMS?”


      After all, blaming the guns instead of the people who use them unlawfully was really stupid to begin with.

      But it is not a nothingburger. It won’t do anything to curb mass shootings and it is just a slippery slope towards more concessions.

      You have to be careful with red flag laws. People can’t be deprived of constitutional rights without due process, and many of the “red flag” laws Dems are proposing are way too broad and way too easy to abuse by police and left wing judges.

    36. jason says:

      In the rush to “do something” the GOP is ready to be suckered into agreeing to a bunch of slippery slope feel good (and expensive) crap.

    37. jason says:

      This bill is not really bi-partisan. They are trying to get 10 weak kneed Rs to vote for it. Probably got them already or they wouldn’t have announced it

      Hopefully the majority of theR caucus will reject it.

    38. jason says:

      Cornyn has to vote for his own crap sandwich
      Tillis ditto
      Blunt sorry to see his name here
      Burr lame duck
      Cassidy will never get elected governor
      Collins the usual
      Graham should know better
      Portman lame duck
      Romney will get on MSNBC and CNN
      Toomey “all gun owners are criminals” scumbag

    39. jason says:

      Here are two measures that would probably reduce “gun violence” in half and school shootings by 90%.

      Stop and frisk in every major urban area in the US. Anyone caught with an illegal gun goes to jail for 2 years mandatory. Repeat offenders get 5 years. 3 time losers 10 years. That includes anyone over 15. Watch shootings in Chicago, NYC, Philadelphia, Miami, etc. drop dramatically.

      Armed guard at every school in America. Small towns that can’t afford them would ask for volunteers (licensed and trained) or receive a subsidy.

    40. Tina says:

      Daniel Horowitz
      · 2h
      They made sure that no Republican involved in the gun control crap is in cycle. This is what a party that hates you does. But you will continue to be fooled by Republicans and Fox News and enjoy the show

    41. jason says:

      Also, fun bit of trivia. Only in America is “Hispanic” a race.”

      You know that for US Census purposes it is not.

      The only options on the race question are white, black, Asian, American Indian or Alaska native, or native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander.

    42. jason says:

      Sorry, there is one more option “some other race”.

      However, there is a question “are you of Hispanic origin”?

      There is also a question on ethnicity “German, English, African, Asian (several options), Scottish, French, Dutch, etc.

      But definitely Hispanic is not considered a “race”.

    43. jason says:

      Of course I wrote in “Incan” on race.

    44. jason says:

      BIDEN on immigration: “The Vice President has been kind enough to take on managing this part of portfolio for me, just as I did for, when I was Vice President, for my former President and, and I but, it is, it is something that, and I’ve asked her to personally do this.”

      I guess he forgot who this guy was:

      “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” Biden said.

    45. jason says:

      Due to reparations, I am now referring to myself as a White African American Puerto Rican gay male.”

      Tgca is a WAAPRGM?

    46. jason says:

      Looks like mnw and AOC are on the same page, they think the focus should be on guns.

      “Did you notice that the new bipartisan “gun safety” bill that’s emerging has almost nothing to do with… FIREARMS?”

      “Rep. @AOC on Senate’s gun reform framework: “I’m disappointed to hear a focus on increased criminalization & juvenile criminalization instead of really having the focus on guns.”

    47. Bitterlaw says:

      Please thank Walt for the review. It is not on the site, yet. They probably need to make sure Walt did not curse and rant like he does here.

    48. Bitterlaw says:

      If Trump runs, he will win the nomination. It will also end the possibility of DeSantis being President. 2024 is his best shot.

    49. jason says:

      Yep, this gun control bill sucks, my only hope is the House Dems will load it up with even more crap and it gets filibustered.

      Not optimistic.

    50. jason says:

      I am positive that Biden won’t run again…. 95%

      I am 50/50 that Trump will run

    51. jason says:

      I am certainly willing to take a gamble on DeSantis if Trump doesn’t run. I would advise him not to run if Trump runs and wait for 2028. I am not as convinced as Bitter is that 2024 is his best chance. It’s only his best chance if Trump doesn’t run.

      But it is a gamble. His viability as a national candidate is far from established despite the rosy reviews here.

      DeSantis is not Trump “without the baggage”. He is not Trump period. That doesn’t mean he can’t win.

    52. Bitterlaw says:

      Trump’s viability as a national candidate was also not established until he won in 2016.

    53. jason says:

      I will say this. When Jeb ran, I remarked that it did not bode well for Jeb that in the HHR microcosm of conservative-libertarian-Republican posters he only had the support of 2 posters, one very suspect at that. Amoral Scumbag ridiculed it because according to him, HHR did not represent the national voters. But in a way it did represent the Republican primary voter consensus, and the consensus was that Jeb, despite the name, money and endorsements, was going nowhere. And nowhere indeed he did go.

      Now I think it bodes ill for Trump and good for DeSantis that the posters here are split between them. Trump delivered for conservatives, despite his flaws. He delivered on major items like energy independence, judicial appts, and taxes to name a few. I don’t expect the Amoral Scumbags, Neville Allens, or Skippy’s to admit it, but I would expect most conservatives to support Trump if he ran again because of his record. This peeling off of support is probably represented in the R primary voter universe.

      Bitter and EML are positive that Trump would win the nomination if he ran. I am less positive. What I am positive about is that a Trump-DeSantis fight would only be good for the Dems.

    54. jason says:

      Trump’s viability as a national candidate was also not established until he won in 2016.”

      This is true. And probably one big reason very few here supported him in the primaries. But it is a terrible argument because that assumes everyone that is also not established will also win.

    55. Phil says:

      I can’t imagine anyone thinks Biden is running again.

    56. Bitterlaw says:

      No. It rejects the argument that DeSantis can’t win because he is not Trump.

      I am voting for whomever gets the GOP nomination in 2024.

    57. Tgca says:

      Trump had already established himself with the blue collar workers before the election.

      This is NOT the chicken and egg argument.

      Recall he did numerous rallies during the primary season and after he got the nomination. It was those rallies that bonded him with the blue collar workers that delivered him the states of MI, PA, and WI.

    58. Bitterlaw says:

      Maybe I should write a book on how Jason went from being one of the biggest Never Trumpers to one of the biggest Only Trumpers. Might as well. The other book is not exactly burning up the best seller lists.

      Unfortunately, a Trump vs DeSantis primary will end both their careers. If Trump loses in 2024, Trump will be too old in 2028 but he will trash DeSantis and he will be too far removed from office to be relevant in 2028. DeSantis does not owe Trump a coronation in 2024. Trump does not have to bow out in 2024.

    59. mnw says:

      Pelosi says she supports the bipartisan bill & hopes it passes. She’s not going to poison pill it, apparently.


    60. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Australia’s Sky News rips Biden to shreds in this TV news commentary. It is brutal and totally true:

    61. Bitterlaw says:

      If Trump has the best chance to win, nominate Trump. If DeSantis has the best chance to win, nominate him.

    62. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      61. I like the closing comment: “That’s what happens when you order a President through the male.”

    63. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      California cities have always had a homeless problem, but over the last two years it has spun out of control. There are five to 10 times the number that existed several years ago. They are drugged out and threatening now. There has been a massive increase in thief and assaults. It is beginning to remind me of Brazilian cities — where criminals act with impunity.

    64. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “Stop and frisk in every major urban area in the US.”

      I am a big supporter of stop and frisk, but with modern technology you don’t need it. A tech device could be developed (it may already exist) by which a police officer could detect if a person was carrying a concealed weapon. Pass laws allowing police to search the person based on the sensor reading, and arrest if an illegal gun is found.

    65. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      63. I typed “mail”. The wonders of computer spell check.

    66. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      It’s about time. Putin is howling mad about it, for good reason.

      “The UK is sending its first long-range missiles to Ukraine, the defence secretary has said, despite a threat from Russia to the West.

      * * *

      The decision comes after the US announced last week it was also supplying a rocket system.

    67. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Four of the last six polls in RCPolling have Biden below 40%:

      Biden Job Approval:
      Approve 39%
      Disapprove 59%
      1,500 LV, 6/7-9

    68. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      With $40,000,000,000.00 plus the original $13 Billion for Big War’s/The D.C. Establishment’s official-unofficial war with Russia, how long till the kremlin parks some nuclear subs off our coast? What’s the over/under on how many of their +\- 6000 nuclear warheads will be onboard?”

      Someone needs to inform Junior that there already are Russian subs off our coast pointing thousands of nuclear missiles at us, and that they have been there a very long time.

    69. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Have noticed the Institute of War and UK Ministry of Defense cross-reference frequently in their Ukraine reports. The reports are usually very similar, although they may state things differently:

      “Campaign Assessment, June 12
      Jun 12, 2022 – Press ISW

      Russian forces continue to struggle with generating additional combat-capable units. The UK Ministry of Defense reported on June 12 that Russian forces have been trying to produce more combat units by preparing to deploy third battalion tactical groups (BTGs) from some units over the last few weeks. The UK MoD noted that Russian brigades and regiments normally can generate two BTGs, but doing so leaves the parent units largely hollow shells. The UK MOD concluded that these third BTGs will likely be understaffed and rely on recruits and mobilized reservists.”

    70. jason says:

      Maybe I should write a book on how Jason went from being one of the biggest Never Trumpers to one of the biggest Only Trumpers.”

      Zzzzz… I am not “Only Trump” at all. Fine with me if he doesn’t run. I just don’t agree DeSantis automatically inherits Trump’s strength with blue collar voters which I view as key to winning elections for Rs.

      “DeSantis is not Trump “without the baggage”. He is not Trump period. That doesn’t mean he can’t win.”


    71. jason says:

      Unfortunately, a Trump vs DeSantis primary will end both their careers. If Trump loses in 2024, Trump will be too old in 2028 but he will trash DeSantis and he will be too far removed from office to be relevant in 2028. DeSantis does not owe Trump a coronation in 2024. Trump does not have to bow out in 2024.”

      So we basically agree. I said the same thing above and in the last thread.

      I said a primary fight between them will only help the Dems. The only disagreement I have with your statement is that DeSantis for sure would not be viable for 2028, too early to be that definitive. That is why I don’t want DeSantis to destroy himself in a primary fight with Trump (or vice versa).

    72. jason says:

      I guess Bitter’s comprehension was a little slow last night.


      No. It rejects the argument that DeSantis can’t win because he is not Trump.”


      “DeSantis is not Trump “without the baggage”. He is not Trump period. That doesn’t mean he can’t win.”

    73. jason says:

      Bitterlaw says:
      June 12, 2022 at 11:20 pm

      If Trump has the best chance to win, nominate Trump. If DeSantis has the best chance to win, nominate him.”

      We already know it doesn’t work that way. If that were true, deadenders would never be nominated.

    74. jason says:

      If the decision was in my hands, I would actually prefer Trump not run. But not because I think DeSantis is a stronger candidate or even a better one, there is little evidence of that in the polls.

      I would prefer DeSantis have a clear shot almost exclusively on the age factor and the fact if he won he could get re-elected, and that at 78 Trump cannot be the “future of the party”.

      So Bitter can take his jason is “only Trump” idiotic comment and GFH again.

    75. EML says:

      Virginia, 2020 vs 2021

      White women, no degree
      Trump won by 12
      Youngkin won by 50

      White men, no degree
      Trump won by 37
      Youngkin won by 56

      But jason thinks that Trump is the only Republican who can win blue collar voters. In fact, other Republicans (such as Youngkin here) do BETTER with blue collar voters overall because they don’t have Trump’s women voter problem. The blue collar vote is here to stay, they are not just voting for Trump.

      This also highlights Trump’s huge problem with women that other Republicans just don’t have. All of the other race/gender groups did fairly comparably between 2020 and 2021. White women (the largest demographic group) went from Trump losing by 1 point to Youngkin winning by 15 (in part due to the 38 point swing amongst white blue collar women). This is why…no more Trump please.

    76. Gordon Allen says:

      That loud sound you hear is the economic train wreck heading straight for us, and the brakes aren’t working on the train.

    77. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      This is so fr***** irresponsible and totally nuts! Why don’t they just encourage Russian Roulette; it’s an easier death:

      “Those statistics apparently mean nothing to New York City health officials, who are engaged in a campaign urging drug addicts not to feel embarrassed that they get high off the killer drug. In fact, not only are they encouraging junkies to partake in the deadly drug, they offer a step-by-step tutorial on how to use the drug.

      The ad campaign, called “Let’s Talk Fentanyl,” tells druggies they should “feel empowered” when they safely consume the killer drug. Apparently, the City of New York is trying to comply with Bill Gates’ efforts to reduce the world population. There literally can be no other explanation.

      “Don’t be ashamed you are using, be empowered that you are using safely,” said a woman named Florence from Manhattan in one of the ads, appearing citywide on trains and buses.

      Victor from Harlem advises, “Even if you are going for a night out to just do cocaine, there is a possibility that fentanyl could end up in your drug supply.””

    78. Tina says:

      Kurt Schlichter
      · Jun 7
      Hi @JohnCornyn!

      Did you see this promise from a leading Democrat that he would use “red flag” laws to silence conservative opponents? Did you also see how naked Hunter got a pass from the DOJ on his clear gun crimes?

      This is why we are so dead set against it.


    79. Tina says:

      Check out the graph on consumer sentiment from 6/10.

      Talk about falling off the train tracks.

    80. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      By the way, the claimed Ohio “poll” in the introduction to this thread is nothing more than a Democratic propaganda piece. From the pollsters website:

      “POLL: Tim Ryan maintains lead over GOP extremist J.D. Vance
      As part of Innovation Ohio’s role in supporting Ohio’s progressive infrastructure, we occasionally commission research to equip us and our partners with an understanding of the mood of the electorate and of policy solutions that will best improve the lives of working families. Research is vital to our organization’s ability to connect the dots between activism, advocacy, and policy making.

      Today, we are sharing the results of a new poll of just over 2,000 Ohio registered voters, conducted online from May 30 – June 3 on the GrowProgress platform, on the state of the race for US Senate and voter enthusiasm about the election. In it, we find that Democrat Tim Ryan has built on his pre-primary edge over J.D. Vance and now leads the race by 3 points, 44%-41%.”

    81. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      81. Here is the summary from the pollster. Seems to have a bit of a bias:

      ““Congressman Ryan is on a roll and J.D. Vance has failed to connect with Ohioans,” said Innovation Ohio President Desiree Tims. “While Ryan finds ways to earn votes from key demographics, Vance’s extremist campaign isn’t doing himself or his campaign any favors, even among the Republican base. Ohio voters are done with extremist politicians like J.D. Vance,” Tims continues. “Ohioans want to live in a progressive state with proven leaders who can deliver. The right wing extremist agenda voids us of such opportunity.””

    82. Tgca says:


      I don’t think suburban white women are reliable GOP voters. They will abandon the party on issues important to conservatives. These soccer mom types tend to vote with their “feelings.”

      If someone makes a good argument to them against guns, for trannies in bathrooms of their choices, for ABORTION on demand, for quotas in education and jobs, etc, they will be on board because they’re influenced by the emotions of the argument.

      I don’t care if that sounds offensive but it’s true. This is not the case with rural women voters, just the suburban women voters who generally take the “it takes a village” mentality.

      I would gladly give up suburban women voters for more minority voters.

      …and don’t forget, Trump won more women voters than any other candidate as well except for Biden.

    83. DW says:

      Just a bit of bias? LOL. If Ohioans wanted to live in a progressive state, they sure could have voted that way in the last two presidential elections, but they didn’t. Not even close.

    84. Tgca says:

      This is sooooo sad!

      What a downfall! He was RAILROADED!!!

      The guy that Robbie and EML and other Never Trumpers would have supported over Trump pleads guilty to two remaining criminal cases against him.

      That is in essence 4 guilty cases against Avenatti in different states for fraud, embezzlement, extortion, tax evasion, perjury, etc.

      Remember folks, this was the man Trump feared most according to Avenatti’s sycophants. Looks like he’s got almost 8 years of sentencing so far so we will see how much more he gets on these last cases.

      His HHR, MSM, and Hollywood supporters anxiously await his early release and pardon so he can run for POTUS in 2032.

    85. Tgca says:


      Trump has a problem with unreliable suburban women voters while the rest of the GOP content Dems have problems with blue collar and minority voters.

      Which do you think is the better fit for the future of the GOP? College educated upper middle class whites female voters in the suburbs that are more interested in what their neighbors and peers think or the working class men and women of all ethnicities and races?

    86. Tgca says:


      Contenders not content Dems

    87. EML says:

      I don’t think suburban white women are reliable GOP voters.
      You’re right, they’re not. But that’s the entire point. They are “swing” voters as in, they “swing” elections. They swung for Biden and led to his victory in 2020 then they swung to Youngkin in 2021. Saying that Republicans should ignore the single largest gender/race voting bloc is sheer stupidity.

    88. EML says:

      Which do you think is the better fit for the future of the GOP? College educated upper middle class whites female voters in the suburbs that are more interested in what their neighbors and peers think or the working class men and women of all ethnicities and races?
      That’s not how it works. There’s no tradeoff between white women and Hispanic voters. Hispanics are moving to the GOP regardless of Trump or white college educated women.

      Youngkin did not do much better than Trump with white college educated women. He performed many times better than Trump with non-college educated blue collar white women, many of whom would never vote for Trump but otherwise aren’t opposed to Republican ideas.

    89. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      At least pathetic Biden is giving Putin a good laugh:

      Vladimir Putin jokes ‘They even named their inflation after me’.

    90. Tina says:

      And who enabled loon Cheney?

      Tim Young
      The January 6 committee subpoenaed Liz Cheney’s primary opponent’s campaign manager… just like a good sham committee would.
      3:25 PM · Jun 12, 2022·Twitter Web App

    91. Tgca says:

      EML misses the point. He is a Liz Cheney Republican.

      Without Trump you would not have had these minorities voters coming to the GOP. No one in the GOP was capable of attracting them before Trump, or even cared about them.

      Youngkin and others ran as a version of Trump because they saw his strategy was a winning one. All these MAGA folks now winning are because of Trump and not despite of Trump. They are baby Trumpers whether EML will admit it or not. Trump taught the GOP how to stand up and fight.

      We would have had 8 years of Clinton and then 4 years of another Dem due to pandemic election fraud. By now, our country would have been remade over as a socialist haven if not for Trump fighting the madness and getting others to rise up.

      Trump saved us from the Dems packing the courts for at least 12 years which would have been earth-shattering changes to our nation.

      EML can’t see through his TDS to see Trump did him a favor.

      EML is your typical “suburban white women voter” who lets his politics be ruled by his feelings.

      Thank God most of the GOP is not like EML.

    92. Tina says:

      Lol, they just realized this?

      CNN France
      Trump has become more popular since the January 6 Capitol attack…
      3:53 AM · Jun 13, 2022·Microsoft Power Platform

    93. Tina says:

      And we are off.l

      Dow down over 700.

      But no mean tweets

    94. EML says:

      EML misses the point.

      Without Trump you would not have had these minorities voters coming to the GOP. No one in the GOP was capable of attracting them before Trump, or even cared about them.
      I don’t miss the point. I have said this same thing a few times already. Now I have to repeat myself yet again. Try reading comprehension for once please:

      Yes, I agree, Trump helped kick start Hispanic movement to the GOP. But it’s continuing without him. That’s the point that you continue to miss.

      You keep repeating a version of this lie, without providing any evidence or proof to back it up:

      “the rest of the GOP content Dems have problems with blue collar and minority voters.”

      Republicans in 2021 who aren’t Trump did better than Trump with both blue collar workers and minorities. Where is your evidence that only Trump can do well with blue collar and Latino voters? I’ve shown you the contrary evidence, that other Republicans are doing even better than Trump.

      In CA last week, Republicans did especially well in Hispanic majority districts. We have TX-34 election tomorrow. Hillary beat Trump here by 21, then Biden won by only 4. How much does the non-Trump endorsed Republican need to win by to show that Hispanic movement to the GOP has continued unabated even without Trump?

    95. DW says:

      Regarding the TX_34, I am not sure if these rankings for the special election or for this fall, but here are the rankings:

      RCP – Tossup
      RRH – Lean D
      Cook – Tossup
      Sabato – Likely D
      Gonzalez – Safe D

    96. DW says:

      The fact that RRH has a rating to the left of Cook says more about RRH than it says about Cook.

    97. mnw says:

      RRH has polled the TX-34 special (the old district) & will be releasing the results soon– any time now.

      The poll will theoretically be released to donors an hour before its general release.

      If Flores (R) wins the special, she’ll have a much tougher time winning the newly drawn seat in November. IIRC, TX-34 moved from Biden +3 in the current district to Biden +12 under the new lines.

      The Wise Men consider the special to be a possible clue to how much Latino voters have shifted toward the GOP.

    98. EML says:

      DW – TX-34 went from Biden +4 to Biden +16. It be quite the monumental achievement to win the district with the new lines.

    99. DW says:

      99–I wouldn’t call it a monumental achievement. It would be nowhere near what Edward Durr pulled off. Remember he was the guy who spent a few thousand bucks in a token campaign against the #2 Dem in New Jersey, and then gathered his grandchildren together on election night with the hope of getting to see his name on the screen a couple of times.

      And this was after only 10 months of the disastrous Biden administration. This fall it will be after 22 months and much much worse inflation.

    100. Albertus Magnus says:


      Trump isnt on the ballot in 2021.

      Trump out-performed other GOPers down ballot in both 2016 and 2020 among Hispanic voters.

      IF, IF, IF Trump were on the ballot in 2021, he will STILL be out-performing other GOPers among Hispanic voters. As well as among African-Americans, too.

    101. DW says:

      And I fully expect that by this fall, food shortages will be happening, not in Ghana, or Mali, or Ukraine, but in the UNITED STATES.

      There will be places where Americans have cash, but there will be no food to purchase with that cash. This economy is crashing quickly, and it is by design. The goal is to create such a horrible condition, that Americans will accept communism as the solution. Biden wants people so hungry that they will give up their freedoms in exchange for food.

      At least that is their plan. It won’t go as well as they had hoped, partly because they don’t realize that in much of the heartland people grow enough of their own food to survive if need be.

      So by election day this fall, there will be little desire to keep going the same direction. Any Biden +12 district may well be easy pickings. Of course between now and then, the GOP may well throw Dems a lifeline. Time will tell.

    102. EML says:

      Trump out-performed other GOPers down ballot in both 2016 and 2020 among Hispanic voters.
      Here’s yet another poster who thinks he can just spout lies with no evidence and expect everyone else will just believe their nonsense.

      I took a quick look at Texas. Trump lost Hispanics by 17 points in Texas in 2020. John Cornyn lost Hispanics by 14 points in Texas in 2020.

      Enough with this nonsense and lies that Trump performs better with Hispanics than any other Republican. It’s just not true, I’ve proved it.

    103. Gordon Allen says:

      The Democrats have driven Hispanics to the GOP.Its there for Republicans to take if they want to take it.
      I can’t think of a single leftist policy that isn’t anathema to Hispanics.

    104. Tina says:

      · 2m
      Biden’s Approval Rating Hits Record Low, IBD/TIPP poll

      Biden Job Approval
      Approve 37%
      Disapprove 49%

      The Economy
      Approve 25%
      Disapprove 52%

      Approve 27%
      Disapprove 56%

      Independents: The Economy
      Approve 15%
      Disapprove 58%

      1,310 A

    105. Gordon Allen says:

      Open Borders, Green New Deal,LGBT, Abortion any time,anti religion, you name it the Dems have worked hard to give us the ” Hispanic vote”,and their indifference to crime in urban areas,and opposition to Charter Schools black votes too.

    106. EML says:

      And there’s an article up on RCP today abouy how California is getting closer to reparations for blacks. Imagine how well that will go over with Hispanics and Asians.

    107. Gordon Allen says:

      This is where the electoral sun can shine for the GOP.
      As to the wine sipping suburban soccer moms,what we get we get. That’s not where the gold is.
      And ALL are affected by a lousy economy.

    108. Tgca says:

      EML, our resident Liz Cheney Republican, has proved nothing with his TDS.

      He takes recent isolated votes and tries to extrapolate them across the board as if there’s a big rush to the GOP.

      Liz, I mean EML lacks common sense and does not see this is situational voting where folks are so frustrated and tired with the Dems that they recently voted for the opposite party which often happens as it has also happened with the GOP a number of times. Ask Reagan why he lost 26 House seats and 9 gubbernorships in 1982 during a recession.


      Liz, I mean EML is too blinded with his TDS to see any of this nuance.

      We had many Latinos vote for GWB in the past, more than any Republican in decades but it did not last. They went right back to the Dems.

      Liz, I mean EML just can’t siphon through the data and appropriately analyze it without putting a TDS spin on it.

      He’s trying to give credit in bad times to the GOP, that has done no serious outreach to minorities, when the credit really goes to the Dems for TEMPORARILY driving voters to the GOP.

    109. Tgca says:

      Giving reparations to AA is not going to permanently drive Latinos and Asians to the GOP. That is silly!

      Why should they care when there is a level of truth that AA were used as slave labor to build the US. Without AA slaves, the US never would have been. We would be a mini Europe instead of one country.

      Asians voters are very similar to Jewish voters. You’d think they’d be a better fit in the GOP but they resist because of GOP extremism on religion and orchestrated values they wish to force on others. The fact of the matter is that the GOP has platform issues that repulse Asians, as it does with Jews. Both groups have suffered under oppression from such platforms and hence greatly resist the GOP for similar platforms.

      Latins are more socially a fit with the GOP but most Latino immigrants come from countries with big socialized experience and they gravitate to gubbermint as a protector, the reason the Dems reach out to ONLY select Latino immigrants.

    110. Tgca says:


      Agreed for the most part.

      But I question whether these minorities will be permanent or temporary to the GOP, as we’ve seen them crossover in the past like suburban white women voters to only scurry away later on.

      The GOP has historically chased away folks with its extremism as well.

      I think that’s why Trump was more successful than his GOP counterparts with minorities and could get them to permanently support him.

      He was NEVER an ideologue. He was always practical and focused on a better life for them as opposed to forcing bedroom issues down their throats like many in the GOP have historically done.

      I think many minorities see Trump as their type of a Republican than most other Republicans. Trump could care less about their race or upbringing. He wants people to have “purchasing power” above all else. He is truly an economic president.

    111. Gordon Allen says:

      Hope the GOP has tapes of the Kimmel show where Biden bragged about the best economic recovery ever taking place now.
      That’s not going to age well.
      PS Asians aren’t like the Jewish folks,and are trending GOP too.
      The Dems are the Party of the privileged white elite, black holdouts/ radicals,and government employees and teachers ,and those too old to remember why they’re Democrats.
      Other than union bosses,they have no working class support.
      Oh,and atheists too.

    112. Tina says:

      Robert C. Cahaly
      · 1h
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      See Report:

    113. Wes says:

      Gordon, while I’m sure atheists are a largely Dem voting bloc, I personally know several atheists, I included, who mostly or exclusively vote GOP because we prioritize economics over social issues and reject Dems’ radicalism on issues like race. For instance, we all will be voting for Ted Budd in November because Budd will serve as a check on Biden and Schumer while Beasley would be a lapdog for them and push a radical leftist agenda none of us supports.

      I do know atheist Dems as well, one of whom was a good friend in high school, but they tend to reflexively accept whatever the DNC tells them to believe. Among atheists with a greater willingness to think for themselves and not follow just whatever the DNC says, I have noticed among people I know or come in contact with, a higher propensity to vote GOP.

    114. DW says:

      6:07 PM release on the RRH poll of tomorrow’s house race in TX

    115. DW says:

      And even atheists can appreciate the Judeo-Christian societal ethics of Don’t steal, Don’t murder, and Don’t give false testimony.

      Modern Democrats are in favor of all three of those.

    116. Wes says:

      No argument here, DW.

    117. Tgca says:


      Not true with respect to Asians. Go to CA, NY, or northern NJ where the largest groups of Asians in the US exist and you will find they deeply support Dems in ranges from 60% to 70%.

      When I lived in CA, close to half my circle was Asian-American, and despite strong family, educational, and working attitudes in their culture, most supported the ideas of the Dems even if they did not embrace the more radical aspects.

      There are cultural reasons why Asians gravitate towards the Dems which I understand why from what folks tell me and I’ve read but never thought it made much sense.

      Recent attacks on Asians by mainly AA and reverse quotas in education have pushed some portion of Asians towards the GOP but it’s way too early to tell if they’ll stay with the GOP in the long run.

      I don’t think many here really see how historically the GOP was viewed as unfriendly to minority groups. Just because you may not have seen it that way doesn’t mean others have not viewed it that way, whether that perception was accurate or not.

      As the saying goes, “perception is reality.”

    118. EML says:

      While I am eagerly awaiting this poll, the reality is that I have trouble believing that any pollster can get an accurate snapshot of a special election in TX-34 on a Tuesday in June. The primary election in March had an 18% registered voter. And that’s across the entire state. TX-34 was probably even lower than that. Probably be lucky to see a 10% turnout for this one, so how in the world are you going to be able to zero in on the actual voters? We’ll find out tomorrow how accurate they got it, I suppose.

    119. DW says:

      119 – its why pollsters who care about their accuracy avoid special elections like this.

      My instincts tell me that the Republican will win tomorrow going away, unless the people of that district enjoy the current inflation and don’t feel motivated to do anything to stop it.

    120. Tina says:

      Tgca, in the recall of The Commie Sf DA,
      Two-thirds of registered Asian American voters favored the recall of District Attorney Chesa Boudin, the highest level of support of all racial groups, one poll showed.

    121. Wes says:

      Former Governor Bill Owens (R-CO) savages Dems for trying to pull a Claire McCaskill in CO-Sen and CO-Gov:

      I have mixed feelings about Owens since, despite being the only GOP Governor elected in the Centennial State since 1970, he was the one the COGOP began collapsing under. Even so, by highlighting the interference Dems are trying to run in the primaries, he lessens the chance the COGOP will repeat its colossal failure in 2010.

      If I had to guess currently, Polis will win reelection to the governorship by ~10 since he’s been one of the more moderate Dems on issues like COVID restrictions while Bennet is a narrow favorite for reelection, though O’Dea, if nominated, has a realistic chance to finally claim Bennet’s scalp by tying him to the failures coming out of Washington since Biden became President.

    122. Tgca says:

      If atheists better understood the concept of mathematics and probability, they would see it is highly unlikely that complex life began all on its own in some astronomical primordial soup by accident.

      To create life as we know it from scratch, it requires near perfect favorable opportunities to exist with the right mixture of ingredients so to speak.

      If not, then scientists should be able to take a few carbon atoms and create the most basic and simple life form from scratch as well by mimicking early earth events as to elements, water, atmosphere, temperature, etc.

      Scientists should also be willing to acknowledge that since Mother Earth is a younger planet than billions, if not trillions, throughout the universe, then intelligent life should have developed billions of years ago elsewhere and achieved the means to either contact us or survey us by now, regardless of distance. Who knows? Perhaps they did.

      Scientists should also be able to manufacture by design the commonality we see in life forms that most living forms share. Should not someone really smart, like Al Gore who invented the internet also be able to create DNA from a glass of water and a heater?

      This is not about belief in one version of God but about the reasonability of some sort of universal creator, whether it fits into a religion or not based on mathematical probabilities.

    123. Tgca says:

      121. Tina

      Its not unexpected and goes to my point.

      San Francisco, with about 1/3 Asians in the population, have felt the brunt of attacks both physically and educationally the last 5+ years.

      Lowell High School and UC Berkeley, as examples, actively discriminate against Asians now to keep them out in favor of other minorities.

      In San Francisco, it’s basically a crime to be Asian and successful now even though many Asians come over and start with little to nothing.

      But will Asians in whole make a permanent switch to the GOP?

      We see similarities in the Jewish communities where they have historically been at odds with AA and many of the principles of the Dems but have they made the switch to the GOP in whole? Nope!

      My question for both Asians and Jews is, what will it take for them to abandon the Dems that take their votes but abuse and use them, and now actively discriminate against them to the point that hate crimes against both groups have increased because they are the scapegoats for the ills in society of the more favored Dem groups?

    124. DW says:

      RRH Elections/Poll Project USA TX-34 Special Election Poll: Mayra Flores (R) leads Dan Sanchez (D) 43-34

    125. mnw says:

      RRH poll TX-34:

      Flores (R) leads 33-24 overGarcia (D).

      The poll was of 484 likely & completed voters.

      This will likely lead to a runoff.

    126. mnw says:

      DW is right. I tried to memorize it instead of writing it down.

      Haste makes waste.

    127. DW says:

      mnw…I cheated…just copied/pasted from the headline at RRH.

    128. mnw says:

      119 EML

      It helps that 40% of those polled had already voted. Flores (R) did better with ‘already voted’ than with LVs.

    129. Wes says:

      You postulate a violation of Occam’s Razor by adding an unfalsifiable assumption–the existence of an omnipotent deity–into the equation of the origin of the universe, Tg.

      We know the universe exists. That’s a testable and falsifiable observation. We have no capacity to determine the existence of a supernatural being with the capacity to literally speak the universe into existence.

      As such, the argument that God exists is one based strictly on one’s subjective observations rather than any objective analysis. Believing in God is one thing. I have no problem with people who choose that belief even if I myself do not share it. Using science to prove the existence of God is a foolhardy exercise because we literally have no objective evidence of such a being and therefore can not use the Scientific Method to establish such proof.

      In any event, this post excepted, I’m not here to debate theology. Feel free to respond if you like, Tg, but I see no reason to continue this debate on my end past what I’ve already posted.

    130. SweatyToothedMadman says:

      122, I agree. The RGA and NRSC should respond in kind to this Dem mischief. The Dems are also up to mischief in IL, MO, and NV GOP contests.

    131. Tgca says:

      This is disgusting display of public entertainment at the LA Pride event for people of all ages, including kids. This was NOT an adult-only event.

      Christina Aguilera wearing a strap on dildo on stage and simulating masturbating it, as the crowd cheered her on.

      See the video. Unbelievable!!!

      WTF does this have to do with Gay Pride? She just reenforced the gay community is highly promiscuous and the reason they outnumber other groups in STDs.

      This is why people continue to hate the gay community and their supporters like Hollywood. These people are perverts and should not be around kids.

      Let’s see how many well-known gays speak out on this.

      What these entertainers won’t do to make a buck. Geez!

    132. Wes says:

      I just saw the new RRH poll. 43-34 is a weak result. I’m glad to see Flores leads, but usually RRH gives more concrete results for its polls.

    133. EML says:

      This will likely lead to a runoff.
      With 4 candidates, it was always likely to go to a runoff. However, I see this poll a little differently than you I guess. If this is anywhere close to accurate, Flores has a shot at winning the whole thing tomorrow. If the other R is indeed only going to get 3%, she has a decent shot of 50%. IE, if it’s a 53R-47D race, it would end up:

      50 Flores
      3 Other R
      40 Sanchez
      7 Other D

    134. Wes says:

      What are the odds of that, EML? I would like to see Flores win outright; however, I would say that’s at best an unlikely result.

    135. EML says:

      What are the odds of that, EML?
      All you need is for the combined R vote to be over 50% and for the secondary R candidate to get a small number, eg 3-4%. I’ve sort of assumed that the second R candidate would get like 8-10 percent, which would preclude Flores getting over 50%. But if they are at only 3%…it’s within the realm of possibility. [Again, this is a poll that I am dubious of, but it’s fun to talk about].

    136. Tina says:

      I think Beta Male needs to stand on more tables.

      BREAKING: Republican Greg Abbott leads Democrat Beto O’Rourke by 19 points in 2022 Texas Governor General Election poll by
      (June 8-10)

    137. EML says:

      Crosstabs on polls with this small a sample size are often worthless, and this somewhat goes to show that point:

      Biden approval

      So Biden is not underwater with his approval rating, yet, the Rs are winning overall, and further down in the crosstabs, 26% of the people who give Biden a positive job approval nevertheless are voting for Flores.

    138. Tina says:

      If Biden and Trump were to hold a joint press conference, it might look something like this.

    139. Tgca says:


      I see Wes could use a lecture in Science 101.

      1st, don’t lecture on Occam’s Razor because that is NOT science. It’s a philosophical belief in how to present an argument, and it’s not a general rule of science.

      Science almost always requires making assumptions and drawing hypotheses to test. For example, deductive reasoning often uses an expected outcome or conclusion to disprove the conclusion itself.

      I was not using science to try and prove God. I was using it to sow doubt in the simplistic beliefs of atheists that a higher being is not possible.

      You should also know that observation can impact outcome. That is a general rule in quantum theory which is science.

      For instance, we know from particle wave duality that observation itself actually changes the behavior of the photon but it doesn’t negate the existence of the photon.

      My atheist example, which many scientists have argued over the decades was that there are legitimate principles to apply that could show doubt in a general conclusion, in this case, what atheists believe.

    140. Wes says:

      That poll looks about right, Tina. Beto will go the way of Abbott’s first opponent for TX-Gov in losing by double digits.

    141. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Asians are not a monolithic voting block in California. In Orange County Vietnamese and other Asians tend to vote Republican:

      “Vietnamese Americans, who number more than 183,000 in Orange County, have historically favored the Republican Party. Nearly all of the county’s Vietnamese American elected officials are Republican.”

      In San Diego, Filipino and other Asians voters support Republican to the same extent as Whites do. The only Republican left on the San Diego City Council is Asian.

      San Francisco and the Bay Area is its own bizarre far leftist world, and not reflective of the rest of the state — which is liberal, but not in the wacky way that San Francisco is.

    142. Tina says:

      Trump vs Biden at this time in office

      Trump: +42.54%
      Biden: -14.94%
      ? Net difference: Trump +57.54%

      S&P 500
      Trump: +22.62%
      Biden: -2.32%
      ? Net Difference: Trump +24.94%

      ? PRICES
      Trump: $2.98 per gallon
      Biden: $5.01 per gallon

      Trump 2.9%
      Biden 8.6%

    143. Tina says:

      I don’t know who is more incompetent, Putzaki or Jean Pierre Kaput,

    144. Tgca says:


      No one said ALL Asians were a monolithic voting block either way. Just like that is the case for all groups including Latinos and AA.

      But facts are facts. Asians voted mid to high 60s percent for both Biden and Hillary regardless of sources evidenced.

      The biggest Asian groups are Chinese, Indian, and Filipino with Filipino generally voting GOP at the highest level of the large groups.

      Yes, Orange Country has more GOP Asian voters with its 1 million Asians in aggregate but LA and northern CA have more Dem Asian voters as expected, making up the rest of the 5 million Asians in CA for an estimated total of 6 million Asians.

      So what’s your point?

    145. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Biden’s Real Clear Polling approval rating continues to fall. It is now:

      38.9% Approve
      54.6% Disapprove

      Two latest polls:Biden approval;

      IBD/TIPP 6/8 – 6/10
      37% Approve
      49% Disapprove
      Rasmussen 6/8 – 6/12
      38% Approve
      60% Disapprove

    146. Tgca says:

      SDC tries the same BS thinking San Diego is better than other parts of CA with respect to culture like he tried with the “gays in San Diego are monogamous” crap and I proved him wrong when he tried to argue San Diego gays are not like San Francisco gays.

      I proved that gays in San Diego, using Sn Diego county statistics, have just as much STD and HIV rates as San Francisco and other big cities’ rates.

      You don’t get those levels if you’re in a monogamous community. Big cities gays and the surrounding suburbs in the US are pretty much the same with respect to STDs and HIV rates no matter where you go in the US.

      I also showed how gays define monogamy different than other groups and invented the concept of “monogamish” which means you come home to your partner but you either play together or have permission to play and they consider that as being monogamous and not cheating because they’re up and front about it.

      Sorry! But most of America does not consider MONOGAMISH as monogamy as SDC and his friends try pushing to normalize their lifestyle and behaviors

      So SDC and his BS San Diego is culturally different than the deviants in San Francisco has been exposed as just more propaganda he likes to spew here.

      San Diego is no better than San Francisco when it comes to gay lifestyle.

    147. mnw says:

      EML and all:

      The pollster who did the RRH poll has posted a comment trying to explain how the poll could have GCB at R +4, but Biden’s JA at +12.

      I don’t understand the explanation, but it’s in the comments, by SEBBO, if u r interested..

    148. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      “A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 44% of Likely U.S. voters believe banning weapons like the AR-15 would not violate the Second Amendment, which guarantees the right to own firearms. Forty-one percent (41%) think such a ban would violate the Second Amendment.”

      Despite the intense media campaign pushing to ban AR-15 rifles, only 44% believe the Constitution permits it. Not a good poll for the gun control zealots.

    149. mnw says:

      Hey EML, Wes and all!

      RE: TX-34 Special poll at RRH:

      From The Wise Men, in ALL CAPS!


      Amateur night in Dixie? You know it!

      Nice to see The Wise Men embarrassed.

    150. Tgca says:

      Conflicting news.

      Last week it was reported that Mr. Pelosi’s drunk driving charges that caused an accident would be dropped and the CHP refused to release video or mugshot info.

      Now it’s reported that Napa county says no decision has yet been made on the charges and they have jurisdiction on any released mug shots and not the CHP, and claiming they’re treating Pelosi just like everyone else, in spite of what CHP wanted.

      Look for Napa County to lose all state and federal funding soon.

    151. Bitterlaw says:

      This may be the first time in my 18 years at HHR that there has been a discussion of the voting habits of atheists.

    152. Tgca says:


      It’s good to try new things and expand one’s horizons even though I think HHR should get back to basics and it’s original charter and discuss ABORTION.

    153. Tgca says:

      Has it been 18 years? I was like 11 when I 1st started coming here I guess.

      I need to go back and check when I 1st posted though I was visiting here for sometime as well before posting because I was shy.

      I do remember when we posted our pics one time but then they disappeared but I think that was early on.

    154. jason says:

      EML’s TDS has reached epic proportions.

      I suggest professional help.

      Using a state governor’s election in a non-presidential election year to somehow make some idiotic point that blue collar vote numbers in VA have something to do with my point that there has been no polling that shows DeSantis can match Trump’s penetration with blue collar workers in the rust belt in 2016 and 2020 is truly ridiculous.

    155. DW says:

      I am predicting that the Republican will get 52% in the election tomorrow and will avoid the runoff.

    156. Tgca says:

      NPR: ‘People Who Menstruate’ Having Hard Time Finding Tampons

      Tough! Pelosi is like:

      Let Them Bleed!

      Should the gubbermint start distributing tampons? Including dispensing machines in the Men’s bathrooms at gubbermint buildings and schools? Oh wait…

    157. Cash Cow TM says:

      Walt is concerned and sad.

      Seems his girlfriend of the past 20 years might be in the first stages of dying. His girlfriend is “Lucky”, his 20-year-old cat. She is very skinny now but has been acting normal for an old cat.

      Midafternoon she became lethargic, unsteady on her feet/wobbly, walks wobbly about 6 feet or so, stops and cries. Then lays down wherever she happens to be at the moment.

      Mrs. Walt took Lucky outside on the patio late this evening. After a while Lucky began wobbling up to the fishpond–one of her favorite places. She laid down by the edge of the pond watching and “listening” to the waterfall (even though she is pretty deaf now) and watching the plants and goldfish.

      Walt kneeled down to pet her and was softly talking to his girlfriend for a long while. Cow was too far away to know what he said. I think I saw Walt wipe away a tear or two.

      If Lucky is indeed ‘crossing over to the other side’, Walt is gonna miss that old girl. She has been his pal and sidekick for a long time.

    158. Tgca says:


      Ok. Jadon is going a bit too far here suggesting Trump is involved in penetration with blue collar workers in the rust belt.

      Trump is NOT GAY !!!

      Just more fake news!

    159. Bitterlaw says:

      Dave did start a FB page for HHR. Tim, VictrC and I joined. It faded out because posters did not want to give up their real identities,

    160. mnw says:


      I’ve been waiting for you to show up.

      Your book arrived, & I’m reading it now. I like it a lot. Professional writer quality, imo. I’ll post a review at the Dorrance website when I’m done.

      A suggestion for getting publicity for your book, if you have the time for this sort of promotion:

      Register at the blog Ace of Spades:

      That mega-blog has a Sunday Morning Book Thread that gets 100’s of comments every Sunday– usually 500-600 comments.

      After you register, Ace will publish a photo of your book, and a precis, under the heading “Books by Morons,” i.e., books by Ace site members.

      If you do that, I’ll post a recommendation & review, if you’ll let me know when you do it.

      Again, only if you have the time & interest. I believe the site likely sells a lot of books to a niche audience of heavy user bibliophiles. Contact “Perfesser Squirrel,” the moderator, at the address given within the Book Thread.

    161. jason says:

      Sorry about Lucky. Sounds like a great cat and companion. As difficult as it is to let go, 20 years is a great run for a cat.

    162. jason says:

      Kurt Schrader is not taking losing to a moonbat well.

      He said the “red wave in November starts with the 5th district in Oregon”.

      Actually, considering OR is on the West coast, it might be the end of the red wave in November.

    163. Bitterlaw says:

      I am sorry to hear that Lucky is fading. 20 years is a long run for a cat. I hope her last days are peaceful.

    164. Bitterlaw says:

      Thanks, mnw. I am glad you are enjoying it so far. Great suggestion on reaching more readers.

    165. Cash Cow TM says:


      Walt did write and submit a book
      Review at that site… tried several times
      And submitted. But I did not see it posted.

      Some sites will only let you post a review
      If you bought a book from that site.

    166. Bitterlaw says:

      I appreciate the effort, Walt. I mailed the copies you ordered today.

    167. mnw says:


      You might want to take a look at the Sunday morning Book Thread I referenced, & get an idea of what it is. See if it interests you.

    168. Tgca says:

      I’m glad Bitter’s book has gotten good reviews here but my concern is that people will skip over buying a book that has all positive reviews because they’ll think the reviews are fake or just from friends.

      I want Bitter to sell as many books as possible so I can spend time at his luxurious beach house he will buy in Ocean City.

      Let me know if you need some harsh critical views to make it more realistic. Maybe we can get LisaB to write a review.

    169. Bitterlaw says:

      Lisab would trash it without bothering t read it.

    170. Tina says:

      Bl, what happened to Lisab?

      I must have been gone.

    171. Tgca says:


      I think you need to give LisaB a bit more credit. She might say you’re not qualified to write a book but she might surprise you and give you credit where credit is due based on the content.

    172. Tgca says:

      Jan. 6 committee will not make any criminal referrals, chairman says

      Liz Cheney says not so fast. They have not voted on it yet.

      So the chair person says one thing, and the vice chair says another.

      Hmmm…let’s see how this plays out.

      Regardless of their final decision, the chairman put the committee in a bind to make it look political if they now make a criminal referral after he stated it’s not their job to do so and mystified why and instead elaborated their job is to let their investigation results speak for itself and let DOJ decide if it wishes to pursue criminal charges.

    173. Tgca says:

      Interesting video ranking all 29 GOP gubbernors in 6 tiers from best to horrible with summary commentary. You may not agree with all, considering it’s from a very partisan righty but a lot of truth here me thinks.

      What say you?

      DeSantis (FL) and Gianforte (MT) rank top tier.

      Noem (SD) is 4th tier and called weak and overrated and a corporate lackey basically.

      Youngkin (VA) described as overrated and part of GOP establishment and good for VA and put in 2nd tier.

      Worst tier is Sununu (NH), Cox (UT) and Scott (VT) and all labeled as utter garbage gubbernors.

    174. NYCmike says:

      -TOUR DE FORCE from Mark Levin this past Sunday night.

    175. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      If environmental issues were approached with solution-based technology, rather than political rhetoric, then you come up with ideas like this:

      “H2 Industries develops ship concept that converts plastic waste into clean hydrogen…

      This new design for an innovative concept shows a ship that will collect plastic waste and then convert it into clean hydrogen, allowing surplus hydrogen to be shipped back to shore.

      The vessel will be more than 150 metres in length. It is to travel at four knots with the waste plastic collected by two smaller vessels towing a two-mile net that funnels the waste from the surface and up to ten metres below it. The most novel feature of the vessel will be the open bow design that allows the collected plastic waste to be fed onto conveyors and into the storage hold.”

    176. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      175. Rating Utah’s governor as bottom tier is laughable The Wall Street Journal has referred to Utah as the nation’s economic star. Cox has a 62% favorable; 24% popularity rating:

      “Why Utah Has Become America’s Economic Star
      From taxes to education to the business climate, the Beehive State has its house in order.
      By Stephen Moore
      Which of the 50 states has the best economic outlook? For each of the past 12 years, Arthur Laffer, Jonathan Williams and I have answered that question in “Rich States, Poor States,” an index of economic competitiveness published by the American Legislative Exchange Council. Every year the top performer has been Utah”

      The blogger seems to base a lot of his ratings on cultural issues that may not be applicable to Utah in the same manner as in other states.

    177. Bitterlaw says:

      Lisab just stopped posting. No reason given

    178. jason says:

      The blogger seems to base a lot of his ratings on cultural issues”

      You could have stopped there.

    179. Bitterlaw says:

      I just saw a story that the 17 year old daughter of Illinois Congressman Sean Casten has died. No details provided. Tragic loss for the family.

    180. Bitterlaw says:

      Stories report that Gwen Casten was found unresponsive at home. A nightmare for the family.

    181. Bitterlaw says:

      In other news, Happy Flag Day.

    182. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Remember when smug Europeans were bragging about how they would soon be getting most their energy from renewables like wind and solar, and how U.S. liberals used to swoon over their policies.

      Now Europe is being saved by oil/gas from U.S. fracking. Europeans should tell Biden how thankful they are that his idiotic energy policies were never fully enacted.

      “Europe has dethroned Asia as the biggest destination for US liquefied natural gas as the energy-starved region seeks to slash its dependence on Russian supplies.

      The US sent nearly three quarters of all its liquefied natural gas to Europe in the first four months of 2022, with daily shipments to the region more than tripling from last year’s average, the US Energy Information Administration said Tuesday.”

    183. jason says:

      Hunter Biden:

      “If I say it’s important to me, then he will work a way in which to make it a part of his platform. My dad respects me more than he respects anyone in the world, and I know that to be certain, so it’s not going to be about whether it affects his politics.”…

      …“Everyone thinks it, talks about how — ‘How can you be as good as your dad?’ I’m better than my dad,” Hunter Biden said. “You know why I’m better than my dad? Because my dad tells me I’m better than him, since I was 2 years old.”

    184. SweatyToothedMadman says:

      Indeed. Happy Flag Day!

    185. jason says:

      Same guy that Googled how to make crack…

      “Hunter Biden also solicited assistance from Google on how to make crack cocaine three days after he claimed to have advised his father on political matters.

      “I think I put too much baking soda in my mix with cocaine to make crack how do I fix it,” Hunter Biden searched Google at 7:23 a.m. on Jan. 19, 2019, according to records found within the encrypted iPhone XS backup folder on a copy of his abandoned laptop.”

    186. jason says:

      Just imagine how the MSM would have treated the laptop story if it had belonged to Trump Jr.

    187. mnw says:

      SDC & Wes

      One of the most infuriating regular RRH posters is “Dave. Dem. Md.” (I hope that’s not Dave Wissing. He never styles himself a DEM.)

      On multiple occasions “Dave in MD” has reminded everyone that “the S&P is, of course, higher now than it was on the day Biden was sworn in.”

      There were obvious flaws in that logic, esp. that inflation had taken away all the supposed gains… and much more.

      However, after yesterday, I don’t think “Dave. Dem. Md” will be making THAT particular argument again, because…

      The S&P is now 150 points lower that it was on Biden’s Inauguration Day in Jan. ’21.

      The implication of “Dave’s” argument was that Americans should be grateful to good old Joe for his economic stewardship, & that criticism of his economic performance was wrong-headed because it ignored the FACTS!

      As if voters in Nov. would be looking back to Jan. ’21 to see how well they’re doing anyway… but even that is now inoperative. “Never mind,” says Dave the DEM in MD.

    188. jason says:

      Bitterlaw says:
      June 14, 2022 at 6:33 am

      Lisab just stopped posting. No reason given”

      I volunteered to do a welfare check. But Bitter is too cheap to fund my modest travel budget of round trip first class tickets to Minneapolis and a week at a five star hotel so I can conduct a proper investigation.

    189. jason says:

      That is not Dave W. Dave is enamored with a R party that doesn’t exist anymore, but he isn’t a Dem.

    190. Phil says:

      Funny, I was wondering just the other day what has become of Lisa.

    191. mnw says:

      RAS today: 38-61 (-23)

      And that’s a winner! New all-time record low.

      Of course, 4 & 1/2 months is a lifetime in politics, and the only polls that count are the ones on election day.

    192. Phil says:



      Doesn’t mean anything because Robbie says Rasmussen is a sham right wing polling organization.

      What do the REAL organizations say like the polling from CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, NYT, Washington Post say. You know? The REAL professional unbiased firms.

    193. Tina says:

      He’s under 39% in the rcp avaerage per bevan, it is the first time evah.

      Hopefully, the enablers on our side don’t go rushing to assist.

    194. Tina says:

      May produced price – 10.8%

      Fed May have to do .75% increase tomorrow.

    195. Phil says:

      Producer Price Index up 10.8 in May.

      Nothing to see here.

    196. mnw says:


      Is Gallup a “REAL” organization? They have it at -13 Disapprove… but that was a month ago.

      I prefer RAS to Gallup because RAS is a daily poll.

      No matter where you look, though, the Biden regime is slip slidin’ away.

    197. Phil says:

      No. The only true poll is the CBS-You Gov poll which consistently has Biden at 44-45 percent.

      The other polls are garbage.

    198. Bitterlaw says:


    199. Gordon Allen says:

      The Ras strong approval/disapproval is 17-51( -34), which I also believe is a record.

    200. Gordon Allen says:

      Apparently not everyone believes we have the “best economic recovery ever”

    201. Gordon Allen says:

      Incidentally, the two sentences in 201 and 202 were word for word combined in a previous post- and were “moderated”.
      Something is really goofy there.

    202. mnw says:


      “moderation” is like the lottery. Pure chance.

      The only pattern I’ve ever detected is, if you type too long, the robot suspects your post is spam.

    203. Cash Cow TM says:

      Went with Walt over to the dealership to
      get Mrs. Walt’s car serviced. 100,00o mile
      service for 2016 Suburu.

      Is it EVER possible to get a car services for less than $2,000? Of course it also includes a set of tires this time.

      Walt says that their tire prices are inflated. I think that is funny. TIRES…INFLATED! Walt has a way with words. But we are going on a road trip in just a few days to NC, SC, and GA so no time to go to tire place and get a set of tires for $150 cheaper. They would have to order, ship them in…

      OH, and Lucky the cat made it through the night but is Very weak. Poor kitty…

    204. Cash Cow TM says:

      TV at the car service waiting room is some show where yuppie couples are looking to rent an island for a week in various world spots. Their budget is anywhere from 4,000 to 9,000 a week. They are shown 3 islands and have to choose one.

      These young people are crazy.

    205. Cash Cow TM says:

      At least the customer service room has free
      donuts. BUT no free hay.

      Now the TV show is about yuppies wanting to BUY an island. Something no larger than 40 acres. About $8 MM is what they are willing to spend.

      Of course it must also have deep port place to sail and anchor their yachts (PLURAL

    206. Cash Cow TM says:

      I have offended Hal.

      I should have typed:

      “I hope they
      finish the car soon, because I have
      THINGS to do.

    207. EML says:

      Now the TV show is about yuppies wanting to BUY an island. Something no larger than 40 acres. About $8 MM is what they are willing to spend.
      I like watching those home buying shows like Love It or List it.

      Stay at home mom
      Dad works part time selling baseball cards on ebay

      Budget: $4.5 million

    208. Phil says:

      Biden screams and rants at the AFL-CIO convention speech about how his BBB plan needs to be passed and his old spill that taxes would only go up for those making $400,000. Still pushing this? Unbelievable!

      This guy and his puppeteers pulling the strings actually believes a tax hike when we are facing an almost sure recession makes any sense whatsoever??

      Is he nuts? I can’t think of a more self destructive action during a recession!

      This guy is starting to flat out scare the hell out of me.

    209. Wes says:

      What do you mean, Phil?

      Raising taxes during a recession worked wonders for Hoover in the 1930–oh, wait.

      Sorry. My mistake.

    210. Gordon Allen says:

      Phil,took the words right of my mouth.
      Instead of just being a loon,he’s more and more screaming SCARY loon.
      He and his ” advisers”( controllers) are literally around the bend.
      Off the charts bad look today.

    211. mnw says:

      What Biden & his puppet masters are doing makes sense, from their viewpoint, assuming they’ve decided everything is out of reach for them now… except their base.

      So if everything else is hopeless? Double down with the Progressive Caucus & hope that AOC’s constituency turns out yuuge & at least cut your losses somewhat.

      The French call it “Sauve qui peut!”– Save what can be saved.

    212. DW says:

      What Biden’s puppet masters are hoping for is to convince everyone that its all just corporate greed, and the solution is for the government to take over the entire economy–and so it goes communist.

    213. DW says:

      I pulled this from RRH. Apparently there are two members of the NY supreme court who are insane.

      “By a 5-2 decision the NY Court of Appeals has ruled that Happy, a Bronx Zoo elephant, is not a legal person and a request by an animal rights group for a writ of habeas corpus for Happy was denied. The animal rights group wanted to move Happy to an animal sanctuary. Well I was rooting for Happy because after all, aren’t elephants Republicans?”

      The animal rights group is of course insane too. They don’t know anything about elephants. The Norfolk Zoo lost its elephants to this insanity several years ago. Some activist group complained that the Norfolk Zoo didn’t provide enough space for the elephants to romp and play, and so the zoo was forced to remove the elephants from the zoo. This despite the elephants actually having had a very large enclosure full of toys—THAT THE ELEPHANTS NEVER USED! Elephants are one of those land animals that think stomach first. Every time we went to the zoo these two elephants just stood there by the fence where their food was put into reach. They didn’t seem to ever want to romp and play.

    214. DW says:

      Jason appears to be out today…in his place, let me report that the early exit vote totals out of TX_34 show that the Republican, Flores is on pace to exceed 50% and avoid a runoff.

    215. Wes says:

      I certainly hope so, DW.

    216. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      Moscow Mitch says he is a YES on the Senate anti-gun rights legislation if left unchanged.

    217. Sheeple,Jr. says:

      New Georgia Poll from East Carolina University:

      Trump +7 over Biden
      Kemp +5 over The Big Mac
      Walker Tied with Warnock

    218. mnw says:


      RE: 219

      Let’s Go, Pirates!

    219. Tina says:

      Yes, of course Mitchie is for it.

      Got to get Biden’s approval for the mid 40s.

      I am not donating any $ to the Rnc,

    220. Tina says:

      Somebody needs ro primary him, when he is up.

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